Re: [JAWS-Users] Copying a Table from an Email to Word

[Jim Pursley]

Can you convert your email format to HTML?  In Thunderbird my emails 
come as HTML instead of plain text so copying is more accurate.


On 4/30/2018 1:55 PM, Brian Lee wrote:

Hello Pam,

There are a couple things you might want to try.

First, instead of using CTRL V to paste the text try pressing the
application key, use down arrow to the paste options menu item.  Use right
arrow and press enter key on the option to keep source formatting.  If that
doesn't work due to your settings in Word or Outlook, try pasting using Alt
with CTRL and V.  In the paste special dialog arrow down and choose to paste
as HTML.

I hope one of these methods work for you.

Take care.

Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net

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Subject: [JAWS-Users] Copying a Table from an Email to Word

Hi All,

I am trying to copy a large table from an email into a document in Word
2013.  Using JAWS 18, I am copying it with the F8 key, and then pasting it
into Word with control plus v.

My issue is that it is not keeping the table format when it is pasted into
Word.

Does anyone have any other suggestions for how I can keep it formatted as a
table?

Thanks,
Pam



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Excel and JAWS 2018 Issue

[Jim Pursley]

I had an issue with Excel 2010 with the latest 2018 build involving 
arrowing up up down and across cells.  I am able to navigate with the 
arrow keys but there's an annoying delay.  Switching to JAWS 18 solves 
the problem  I have word from tech support taht my issue will be fixed 
in the next update expected before the end of May.  Similar issues are 
not exactly comparable of course, but both of our issues involve 
navigating by arrow.


On 5/12/2018 1:14 PM, Gary Ray wrote:

Gary Ray here.

  


A couple of friends of mine are having issues being able to read excel 2016
with a 365 subscription.  They are using JAWS 2018 with latest update. They
have new Lenovo laptops with 1709.

  


They tell me that when they open a spreadsheet, they cannot arrow around to
read cells. In my Excel 2010 using JAWS 2018 with the latest update and
1709, I am having no problems.

  


Can anyone give me any ideas of what to tell them to help them out.

  


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Some PDFs do not read properly

[Jim Pursley]

I occasionally experience the run on word issue you seem to be 
describing.  It clears up when you change the reading format to the read 
from the raw print stream option.  Control shift 5 gets you the reading 
format list.  Arrow where you want to go.   Tagged readin format 
sometimes does not behave properly either.


On 5/29/2018 11:02 AM, jmule wrote:

Hi all,


For a while now, I have noticed that some PDFs are not read properly 
by Jaws or NVDA. What happens is that multiple words are read as one 
long word, with no spaces between the words. This is not on all PDFs, 
just some. I have never encountered this problem with PDFs that I have 
created using either MS Word or PDF995. On the PDFs that have a 
problem, I have extracted them to text files and the problem will also 
show up in the text file. Someone had once suggested that the problem 
is related to the original font being used, but that does not make any 
sense. So, Can anyone shed a little light on this problem?



Here is a link to a PDF with the problem I have described (from last 
weeks Top Tech Tidbits newsletter):


http://bit.ly/2GKOuSC 




I am using Windows 7, Jaws 16/NVDA 2018.1 and Acrobat Reader DC 
2018.011.20040.



Thanks,

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft Excel 2018 Column Heading Reading

[Jim Pursley]

Earlier versions of Excel allow the user to specify column and row 
titles by the combination insert/alt control R for column titles and C 
for row titles.  The titles can be saved but occasionally wipe out and 
you have to re-do.


Hope this works for Excel 2018

Hail Sir Humphrey! (no comparison with the current NHS meant)

On 6/13/2018 3:44 PM, HICKS, Steven (ROYAL CORNWALL HOSPITALS NHS TRUST) 
wrote:

Hi friends,

I Wonder if someone can help me please?
I Have a spread sheet and across the top, there are headings so a1, a2, a3 and 
a4 are the headings of the columns going down with data in them.
Sometimes when I am half way down and moving from left to right, it would be 
useful to be able to press key key combination that would read the column 
heading that I am in so I don't have to keep remembering them, especially if I 
keep expanding the number of columns.
Does anyone know if there is a way to do this please?

Many thanks in anticipation,





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[JAWS-Users] Office 365

[Jim Pursley]

(somewhat) boldy going whereno Pursley has ever gone before.

We're upgrading to Office 365 from Thunderbird and Office 2010.  I'd 
appreciate any guidance you might have to ease the orientation process.


Thanks.




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Re: [JAWS-Users] Have to get new MS office suite

[Jim Pursley]

We just upgraded to Office 365 from Thunderbird email client and Office 2010.  
I don't do much with Word, but with O365 I didn't need to uninstall anything.  
Just got a Microsoft account, bought the O365 home with 5 connections and so 
far it's running pretty smoothly.  I've never used Outlook, so I kept Tbird.  
After a few days (I'll read the FS tutorial on Outlook I bought recently) I can 
do everyday stuff like send, receive, forward, etc.  Bottom line, I've not 
found Office 2016 (which I downloaded) much different than 2010-especially for 
Excel which I constantly use.  I even see some benefits to Outlook over 
Thunderbird.  The exchange server we had to get with O365 works faster and more 
reliably than our former server of the POP variety.  So..kicking and screaming 
I upgraded and survived with a growing smile on my face.

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Casey
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 9:36 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Have to get new MS office suite

Hey Wayne.

I just upgraded from office 2010 32-bit to 2016 64-bit. I used 2016 before at 
my old work and found that it worked really well with jAWS 18 except for the 
semi-usual jAWS crashes, which I recently discovered seem less of an issue if 
you stick to good ole' Eloquence. I do find that certain things, like the 
spell-check, seems to work better in 2016.

I would upgrade to 2016 because it's the latest non-365 version and will 
continue to be supported for quite some time. 

I made a backup of my outlook data using the export feature. In the end, even 
though I had to uninstall Office completely in order to install the new 
version, those files were retained in my data folders and so I did not end up 
needing to use the backup. The same should be true for you, but just backup the 
folders anyway, just in case.



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wayne smith
Sent: July 12, 2018 8:28 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Have to get new MS office suite

Well, it is here. I am getting notices from Microsoft that my MS Office 2007 is 
no longer supported. I have basic needs and do not want to have to relearn 
everything again if I don't have to. I can upgrade through my school to 
something less than 365.  I could use some advice as to which MS Office is most 
constant with the older version. I have used 2010 and it worked reasonable 
well. I Have Windows 7 and JAWS 15 but I do have upgrades to current versions 
that I have not used. Any thoughts would be appreciated. On a related note I 
currently have my emails sent to my MS Outlook 2007. If I upgrade will the 
folders that I have created automatically export to say Outlook 2016?

 

Thanks for any help,

 

Wayne

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Outlook 2016

[Jim Pursley]

I use the shift-tab combination; hadn't thought about using the JAWS 
cursor as I run with the numpad locked.  I don't know of another way to 
read the to and cc field information.


On 7/20/2018 1:50 AM, HICKS, Steven (ROYAL CORNWALL HOSPITALS NHS TRUST) 
wrote:

Hi friends,

Using the latest JAWS 2018 and Microsoft Outlook 2016.
If I open an email, I don't seem to be able to change in to JAWS cursor and 
read the top of the message heading where the to and cc fields are which is how 
I would normally check this.
Has anyone had any similar issues?
The only way I can read the to and cc fields is to shift+tab back to them and 
it is sometimes useful to use the JAWS cursor to read the top part of the 
screen.





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Re: [JAWS-Users] Outlook 2016

[Jim Pursley]

  Thanks.Yeh...works great.  Good reason to review JAWS commands from 
time to time!



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On 7/20/2018 1:13 PM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:

Kurt,

You could also use ctrl-ins-1-0 to hear the names of the colomns. In
listviews this is a handy option of jaws that works in more programs.
But alt-1-6 is more handy in this case.

Regards, Marten


On Fri, 20 Jul 2018 05:14:22 -0400 "Kurt Miller"  wrote:


Reed,
I never knew these commands. These are great. I always shift tabbed to find
this info. Thanks so much.
Kurt

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Sent: Friday, July 20, 2018 1:58 AM
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Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Outlook 2016

Hi Steven,

Have you tried Alt+1 through Alt+6 to hear the From, Sent, To, CC, Subject
and BCC info?

Reed

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Sent: July 19, 2018 9:50 PM
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Subject: [JAWS-Users] Outlook 2016

Hi friends,

Using the latest JAWS 2018 and Microsoft Outlook 2016.
If I open an email, I don't seem to be able to change in to JAWS cursor and
read the top of the message heading where the to and cc fields are which is
how I would normally check this.
Has anyone had any similar issues?
The only way I can read the to and cc fields is to shift+tab back to them
and it is sometimes useful to use the JAWS cursor to read the top part of
the screen.






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Re: [JAWS-Users] Using narrator

[Jim Pursley]

Insert plus Control and s.  It's a toggle.  Hit the combo again when you 
want JAWS to fire up again.


On 4/27/2015 5:30 PM, Fred Adams wrote:

I am using W7, outlook 2010 and latest jaws.  When turning on narrator, how
do you turn off jaws so as not to get both talking at the same time.  I
have tried using insert, spacebar plus letter "S" but this does not stop
jaws from talking.  I should know this but I just can't remember how to do
it.  I couldn't find anything on the jaws-users home site.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] thunderbird and forwarding messages

[Jim Pursley]

Do you have J15 on your system.  I switched back to it temporarily 
because of a stability issue.  I use Thunderbird 31.6.0 and J15.  
Control L works fine.  Have you tried just the top line menus without 
the hot key?  AltM plus f.  Maybe there is a difference?  Strange.


On 5/4/2015 3:36 PM, leonard morris wrote:
I'm using Thunderbird v31.2.0, latest jaws, and windows 7. When I use 
ctrl l to forward a message the text in the body of the message get's 
all jumbled. It almost appears as if Jaws is trying to create a table 
out of the text. How can I correct this? Thanks.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] The Future of Jaws

[Jim Pursley]

I remember, in one of my professional iterations, the book Libraries In 
The Year q2000 by a professor named Licklider.  This was 1970 and 
library studies departments at universities  had begun to add 
"Information Science" to their names.  Come the mid 90's and UC 
Berkeley's South Hall was no longer the home of the School of 
Librarianship.  It was the School of Networking and Machine Languages or 
something of that ilk.  The internet had all but gutted the basic 
intermediary function of libraries.  Licklider got the networking and 
information retrieval functions and individualized education functions 
right but he kept intact the basic structure and function of the library 
(much as NLS is for us) with a lot of modern bells and whistles.  He did 
not predict the sweeping changes the internet has brought, followed by 
wireless communication and now artificial intelligence/machine 
learning.  I don't think JAWS 100 or anything like it will exist.  I 
think that physical limitations will largely be overcome by the time 
another 85 years or so passes. Mechanical sense organs or clones of 
healthy living ones) will level the getting on with life playing field.  
Look how much progress has been made since Helen Keller's day.  If you 
think that like the universe knowledge is expanding at an ever faster 
rate then my simple ideas will surely be left in the dust.  Yet I hazard 
that we'll  still be basically the humans we are, if we last another 85 
years without a war to end all humans.


On 5/11/2015 9:26 PM, Holger Fiallo wrote:
Maybe it will not be call jaws 100? To get with the times it need to 
have a name that shows that we do more than use it for workowork.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] inserting a line in Excel 2010

[Jim Pursley]

Agree with Mike.  Anyone know how to insert or delete multiple rows 
beyond one at a time?


On 5/15/2015 1:01 PM, Mike O'Brien wrote:

Hi

I find the easiest way to insert a new line into a spread sheet is to
position the cursor on the first line below where I want the new line to be.
Then press alt+I, let those up and press r.  Then I will be positioned on
the new line.


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Behalf Of Pinky
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 11:35
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Subject: [JAWS-Users] inserting a line in Excel 2010

Hi Group,

How do you insert a line in Excel 2010? I would be interested in all the
ways to do this.

Thanks in advance

Ed

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Re: [JAWS-Users] PDF

[Jim Pursley]

Yes.  Printing to Open Book works for scanned as well as protected pdf docs.

On 6/11/2015 9:45 AM, Maria Campbell wrote:

Try opening with Openbook or Kurzweil, if you have either program.

On 6/11/2015 8:27 AM, j Bron wrote:
I just got a PDF document and can't read it.  How do I access it 
using Jaws

16 and windows 7?

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Re: [JAWS-Users] adobe flash player

[Jim Pursley]

Adobe has made the update process far more efficient than in the past, 
requiring just a couple of screens.  The optional Google offers are on 
the initial screen.  Passing on to the install process is a one click 
process.  But the download/install process did not give feedback.  
Fortunately, the handy little "read screen" hot key insert/B told me 
that the install was complete.  I hit enter to finish and that was 
that.  Much better than past iterations.


On 6/17/2015 7:44 PM, Kevin Lee wrote:
not sure, I got the same thing but it installed fine for me.  I don't 
think I did anything special.


-Original Message- From: wayne smith
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 3:16 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] adobe flash player

Interesting-I just got a notice to update my Adobe Flash and clicked on
Install now and then I tabbed and unchecked Chrome and the toolbar then I
used to get either next or download now but I got a list that only 
read step
1 step 2 and step with links and nothing worked after that.  For me it 
was
less friendly than in the past.  I am still using JAWS 14, could that 
be an

issue?

Wayne

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Subject: [JAWS-Users] adobe flash player

I just installed adobe flash player 18
adobe has improved the install much.  jaws can announce a lot of the 
install

process, although the notification is still alittle weird!
Email is golden!!!
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Re: [JAWS-Users] one drive

[Jim Pursley]

I've occasionally gotten around the captcha problem by contacting the 
site which is blocking my access.  Some sites are willing to manually 
sign me up if I request.  After all, they benefit from having two more 
"eyes" to read their ads.  Agree with your take on the audio messages.  
I used to givem a huge rugby try until I calculated my success rate and 
frustration level.  Not worth doing any more.  The kids have gotten 
really good at reading the captchas for me.


On 6/18/2015 2:06 PM, David Ferrin wrote:

Forget about invitations for the time being boys and girls since there is
one of those funky picture type things that JAWS or any other screen reader
can read. Possibly when my wife comes home. Oh there is an audio link but as
always it sounds so bad nobody can figure out what the lady is saying at
all.
She had to help me sign up last night, so unless you have got sited help for
that little item forget about it.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] jaws updates

[Jim Pursley]

It's probably better to install JAWS updates from the Freedom Scientific 
web site http://www.freedomscientific.com/JAWSHQ/JAWSHeadquarters01than 
it is to download the patch that you get when you download updates from 
the notices.  Downloading from the FS site takes longer, but you get a 
completely new version rather than a patch grafted on to your resident 
version.  Once you get to the main site, hit the downloads link and 
follow instructions to your particular product - be careful to select 
either 32 bit or 64 bit as appropriate - or perhaps like adobe the site 
can tell what you have resident on your computer.


At the end of the download you will not get a set up wizard like you get 
when you first download a new version.  From my experience, the download 
will maintain all of your JAWS settings.


On 6/21/2015 5:16 PM, petras wrote:
How do I install the jaws updates? It keeps popping up and it is 
driving me crazy.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010?

[Jim Pursley]

I think Landa nailed it.  As Microsoft Office became more complex, pull 
down menus did not enable most users to see more than a few controls 
without going to sub menus.  Hence, the ribbon, which had been in use in 
other software products, was adapted to replace much of the top line 
apparatus.  This said, not all ribbon controls are logical nor highly 
visible either.  e.g. page renaming in Excel comes under a layer called 
cells.  Fortunately, hot keys perform the most common functions in 
office, bypassing the need to overheat the tab keys.


On 6/25/2015 10:55 AM, Londa Peterson wrote:

I think it's easier for sighted people because more options are on the screen 
at a time where they can see them. I know a lot of sighted people who don't 
like them either. When you press the alt key, you can then right arrow across 
the upper ribbon to find the different tabs. If you press tab, you will be in 
the choices for that ribbon. The tab key, in my opinion, is the most reliable 
way to move from item to item on the lower ribbon. Control right and left arrow 
is supposed to move you from group to group on the ribbon so that you can move 
through the choices faster. You also have accelerators that will let you press 
a series of letters to do things more quickly. Hope this helps a little. I know 
sighted people who don't like it either because they don't know where things 
are. On the other hand, I know people who love it because they can find obscure 
options more quickly.

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Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 10:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Speaking of Office 2010?

Where in the world did Office 2010 and other newer programs come up with
this ribbon idea? It makes no sense to me. I just got some directions, keep
them handy and follow them. I guess it makes sense to somebody.

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you're probably right." Henry Ford.

Carolyn

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To: "JFW List" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 10:40 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] another marathon session with Microsoft



This was quite interesting. For  two days there was  a critical security
update for MS office 2010 that would fail every time. Finally I called the
accessibility support team. After two attempts they started running some
diagnostic and clean up tools. One of the first questions asked was if I
ever ran any registry cleaners. When I told him no he was glad to hear
that.
Then he tried it again and it failed. He then wanted to uninstall office
2010 and had quite a few problems. He ran some fix it tools and finally
was
able to uninstall it. We reinstalled and it took a long time to apply 39
critical updates. Every thing there is now working fine. As soon as it was
completed I created a restore point and started a system backup. We were
on
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Outlook Freezes

[Jim Pursley]

I think that the keyboard command restart is preferable to the forced 
restart by pressing the small button in the vicinity of the son-off 
switch.  When I have been forced because of a locked keyboard to use the 
forced restart, I always get a non-JAWS readable Windows screen from 
which I must choose the restart option - normal or safe mode and one other.


On 6/26/2015 10:14 AM, Mario wrote:
if this has been mentioned already, nnext to the power bbutton is a 
reset/restart button usually smaller and sometimes flush or recessed. 
use it instead of doing a forced shutdown.




On 6/25/2015 11:00 PM, TheHangMan wrote:

 Hi,

I'm sure this happens a lot out there.


And the PC doesn't want to do anything and you're force to do a shut 
down.



Since, jaws is not responding, is there a way to do a restart, 
instead of

shutting down???


Thanks,


  Jorge

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Outlook Freezes

[Jim Pursley]

Talking about tower desktop.  i only use the forced restart button as a 
last resort but it's probably preferable to anything more drastic.


On 6/26/2015 6:14 PM, TheHangMan wrote:

Hi,
Are you talking:
  on a tower in a  regular desktop computer?
  Or, on a laptop?   I had someone check and that was a NEGATIVE...

Jorge
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Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Outlook Freezes

I think that the keyboard command restart is preferable to the forced
restart by pressing the small button in the vicinity of the son-off
switch.  When I have been forced because of a locked keyboard to use the
forced restart, I always get a non-JAWS readable Windows screen from
which I must choose the restart option - normal or safe mode and one other.

On 6/26/2015 10:14 AM, Mario wrote:

if this has been mentioned already, nnext to the power bbutton is a
reset/restart button usually smaller and sometimes flush or recessed.
use it instead of doing a forced shutdown.



On 6/25/2015 11:00 PM, TheHangMan wrote:

  Hi,

I'm sure this happens a lot out there.


And the PC doesn't want to do anything and you're force to do a shut
down.


Since, jaws is not responding, is there a way to do a restart,
instead of
shutting down???


Thanks,


   Jorge

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Re: [JAWS-Users] question about Excel and JAWS

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You can make JAWS read column, row heads or both.  The following works 
in Win7 and Excel 2013.  Try it.
Put the PC cursor (I don't know if the JAWS cursor works here) in the  
left most column cell and the top most row cell.

Insert v gets you to JAWS quick settings.
Arrow down, keeping the excel choice open.
To save time close all files you pass until you reach Workbook, 
Worksheet and Region settings.  Open it.

Pass a couple of choices until you reach Title Reading
Arrow down until you find Define name, column and row titles. Select On 
for the current file.
Now arrow down a couple of choices to  Title Detection.  You can choose 
rows, columns or both.


arrow down another line or two and spacebar until you hear OK.

Now go to your worksheet and your secondary reading voice will read the 
titles for you.



 On 6/30/2015 1:44 PM, Pablocm 2014 wrote:

I am not understanding your question very well. I think that what are
you trying to do is make jaws read the headings of the row?

On 6/30/15, Dacia Cole  wrote:

Hi,

How do you make excel read  columns as you navigate through them.
What I mean is if I'm keeping score during a game, how do I make it
read the names when I scroll down the individual columns?  What's the
keystroke for that?  I have excel 2013 and a windows 8.1 machine
running jaws 16.

thanks,

Dacia

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Re: [JAWS-Users] question about Excel and JAWS

[Jim Pursley]

From my experience, JAWS won't read the column and row headers 
simultaneously.  You have to scroll to hear the column and row headers.  
Once you know the row you are in, then scroll across columns.  The 
keystroke method only reads columns or rows, not both.  Insert v in 
Excel to Workbooks, Worksheets and Regions then to Title Reading will 
get your spreadsheet reading both columns and rows - but not both at 
once.  JAWS will only know where your headings are if you pointthe 
cursor to the nexus of row and column headings.




On 7/1/2015 10:46 AM, dacia.l...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi, what I am one thing, is for it to read the column and row titles as 
headings.
For example, if I list peoples names in column a and put the scores they earn 
in a game and columns BCDEFG and so on,. I wanted to read John Smith 300 points 
if I go to the third column and the third cell of that Collin. Is there a 
keystroke to make the headings read like that? Or rather, to make the column 
and row titles Rita settings? Does this make more sense? I hope so.
Thanks,
Dacia

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 1, 2015, at 3:54 AM, Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) 
 wrote:

Not totally sure what you mean, Excel will read the cells as you navigate with 
the arrow keys.
Does shift+spacebar help as that will select the entire colum, or ctrl+space 
bar anyway.


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Subject: [JAWS-Users] question about Excel and JAWS

Hi,

How do you make excel read  columns as you navigate through them.
What I mean is if I'm keeping score during a game, how do I make it read the 
names when I scroll down the individual columns?  What's the keystroke for 
that?  I have excel 2013 and a windows 8.1 machine running jaws 16.

thanks,

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft Excel 2010 And JAWS

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Brilliant, John.  I use the Insert v technique all of the time but I 
never thought to shorten my work by using the search function.  A great 
exercise this.  I went for years without the valuable help reading 
headers offers.


On 7/1/2015 12:22 PM, John Justice wrote:

Mr. Hicks,
You have several ways to accomplish this.  Yes, using Excel 2010, it is
still possible.

1.  Assuming that the titles are in the first box at the top of each column,
line up on the first heading
2.  Press the following key combination: INSERT+CONTROL+ALT+C
Jaws will respond with a message indicating that the reading for column
headings is engaged.

This setting can also be saved permanently by entering the Quick Settings
dialog, INSERT+V
1. In the Edit box, type "titles"
2. The first setting is one which defaults to off indicating that column and
row headings are to be read.  The other options are for all spreadsheets or
this one alone.
Note:  Before attempting these settings, make sure that your focus is on the
intersection of the first column and the first row.

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Subject: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft Excel 2010 And JAWS

Hi friends,

Is there a way to read titles in excel with a key press?  I noted the
previous conversation on how to set the heading and specify them using
insert+v but I am just wondering if there is a way to read the cell at the
top of a colum if it a heading.
This used to work with alt+1 but that seems to have stopped working a while
ago.For example, I would have a list of items and I would like to read the
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Re: [JAWS-Users] key stroke for finding the version of Thunderbird

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Insert/Control/V

On 7/13/2015 3:22 PM, anna vimini wrote:

Hi all,
what is the jaws key stroke for finding the version of Thunderbird?
I seem to have forgotten so could someone on the list please refresh 
my memory.

thanks in advance

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird 38.1.0

[Jim Pursley]

Which crashes - Thunderbird or your computer?  I've reduced the number 
of Thunderbird crashes by deleting messages in the sent box to about 3 
months worth.My Win7 machine has not crashed since I downloaded 
Thunderbird, thankfully.


On 7/25/2015 11:21 AM, anna vimini wrote:
Every since Thunderbird 38.1.0 has down loaded on my computer it seems 
to crash often does anyone on the list know the reason for this?
The reason I am asking is because all the other version I have had 
never crashed as much as this new version.

I am using windows 8.1 , jaws 15 and Thunderbird 38.1.0
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[JAWS-Users] Deleting calendaring notice at the front end of Thunderbird 38.1.-0

[Jim Pursley]

Anna, did you successfully disable the lightning calendaring function
and its notice?  At the conclusion of the message there were several
options.   Among them close, disable and keep.  After JAWS has read the
entire message, shift backspace to close, then to disable.  Press the
space bar to disable the function.  You'll hear a command to
restart..your cursor should be on the button.  If not,tab to it and
press the space bar.  Zappo, it's gone.  You can undo at any time if you
want the "lightning" function.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] deleting the calendar notice in Thunderbird

[Jim Pursley]

There will be an instruction for reconnecting calendaring when you 
delete.  You have a choice to disable, too - I chose delete the message 
rather than to disable the function.


.

On 7/27/2015 11:34 AM, anna vimini wrote:

Thanks.
Now if I decide later that I want the lighting feature how would I go 
about enabling it again?
[JAWS-Users] Deleting calendaring notice at the front end of 
Thunderbird 38.1.-0

Anna, did you successfully disable the lightning calendaring function
and its notice?  At the conclusion of the message there were several
options.   Among them close, disable and keep.  After JAWS has read the
entire message, shift backspace to close, then to disable.  Press the
space bar to disable the function.  You'll hear a command to
restart..your cursor should be on the button.  If not,tab to it and
press the space bar.  Zappo, it's gone.  You can undo at any time if you
want the "lightning" function.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] two trash folders in thunderbird

[Jim Pursley]

You have more than one e-mail address in Thunderbird?  As far as I know 
there is but one trash folder assigned per email address.  When you send 
an email to trash, which one does it show up in - suspect not both.  Did 
you have some sort of a crash that might have corrupted Thunderbird?


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How can I get rid of duplicate trash folders in vThunderbird3.1.2.0? I 
deleted one of the trash folders but the second keeps coming back.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] open attached doc. in protected view

[Jim Pursley]

You can in Office visit the trust center and approve all docs from a 
specific source if you get a lot of docs from this person.  I will have 
to search for the path to the trust center if you want follow up.


Additionally, I've found that trying to save a protected doc results in 
a Word/Excel dialog seeing if you want to remove protection. Click yes 
and the process is quicker than using the ribbon menus.


On 8/5/2015 2:26 PM, Michael B. wrote:

Hi Tom,

Try the steps from any 1 of the notes below:

There is a way to turn off protected view for Word documents.
1.  From within Microsoft Word, Press Alt F followed by the letter T for
Options and press Enter.
2.  Press T to highlight Trust Center.
3.  Press Tab until you get to Trust Center Settings and press Enter.
4.  Use up and down arrow keys to highlight Protected View.
5.  You can tab to four checkboxes, and you can uncheck the ones that you
feel are safe to uncheck.  Perhaps the last one regarding data execution
should remain checked.

This is what I have done at my work location and all seems to be well.
Jim

From: John Justice
Microsoft Office 2010 treats imported documents in a special way if they
originate on the Internet.  The document is opened, but is placed in
something called "Protected View". Jaws will not read a document in that
state.

In this mode, if you use a Say All command, a message appears explaining
what Protected View is and why the document was handled that way.

To change from Protected View to an editable version, press Alt F and arrow
down to a button called "Allow Editing"  and press Enter on that option.
Once the document has been altered in this manner, it will read normally.

It is recommended that the document be saved in the new editable format
since it will not remain in that condition if the user exits the document.
John and Linda Justice

From: Janie Degenshein
The protected view won't let jaws read and the non commercial use causes him
to not be able to edit
I have made a work around by tapping the right mouse button and escaping
then we f6 twice  and tab once to enable in this document and tap the space
bar to accept
then he can read and write in the document but we need to do all this each
and every time
Keep Smiling,
Janie Degenshein

From: Annette Carr
I believe it has to do with security settings.  I have no idea how or if
this can be changed.
Annette

From: Scorpio4Ever

You can fix this easily by going into trust center settings, then arrow down
to protected view and tabbing to the various file types in that dialog box,
then, for each file type, unchecking all of the check boxes.

It would appear that Jaws is not reading the dialog box correctly, and so it
may read as check the box to allow editing, however, this is not the case,
and the boxes must be unchecked.  Make sure  you arrow down the list of file
types, then tabbing to the checkbox to uncheck it.

The checkboxes should read as "Save" and "Open", though only some of them
have the open checkbox, but again, you'll have to do this for all file
types.

Hope this helps.

Scorpio

Original Message-
From: Juan Pablo
Hello,
I am using word 2010 with j14 918.
In the last version, 13, I could perfectly navigate in a protected view
documents. So now it seems impossible to do. Some of you can reproduce this
problem?
Best,
Juan.

From: Kimsan
I had that very same issue yesterday, and I went into the trust center and
unchecked the boxes for protected view and I was able to read it.
Kimsan

Take care.
Mike
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Subject: [JAWS-Users] open attached doc. in protected view


could someone remind me on how to take an opened attachment out of
protected view? office 2010

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Re: [JAWS-Users] firewalls

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Just Windows firewall.  This said, I don't go adventuring much beyond 
the sites I use in my work and recreational reading.


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I have been using private firewall for a few years with an acceptable level
of success. I am wondering what other people are using for their firewall
needs.

I know there are a wide variety of offerings out there although many of
which are not usable with a screen reader. The bad thing is that so much
time has passed my memory fails me as to what has already been tried without
success.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] how to read tables in word, openbook, and ?adobe

[Jim Pursley]

I will be interested to see how this thread develops.  I've resolved the 
reading of row and column headers in Word and Adobe tables by 
exporting/copying to Excel wherever I can - especially where there are 
more than 5-6 columns, where my memory gets a bit stretched. Excel has a 
great feature in the Quick Settings (Insert V) configurator (Titles) 
that will allow user-defined row and column headers to be tagged so they 
are read by the JAWS voice as I navigate from cell to sell, column to 
column, row to row.  Nice feature.


On 9/11/2015 9:51 PM, Dacia Cole wrote:

Hi,

I'm struggling reading a table in word, I've also tried reading it in
Adobe and openbook.  It's hard to tell what columns go with what row.
What are the best ways to read a table in these programs?  I have
openbook 9 and office 2013 with jaws 16 and windows 8.1

thanks,

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Re: [JAWS-Users] how to read tables in word, openbook, and ?adobe

[Jim Pursley]

Aside from a sighted person copying table data from a pdf into a 
spreadsheet for me, I've not found a suitable way to read tables with 
more than a few columns or rows.  It's possible to navigate a pdf with 
Control plus the arrows - which move the cursor one element at a time 
but I've not yet figured a decent way to hear column heads when I'm 
reading across a row of data.


On 9/12/2015 2:16 PM, Mark Brett wrote:

Hi, how do you convert a pdf to excel?



Mark

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12, 2015 2:04 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: 
[JAWS-Users] how to read tables in word, openbook, and ?adobe
I will be interested to see how this thread develops.  I've resolved 
the reading of row and column headers in Word and Adobe tables by 
exporting/copying to Excel wherever I can - especially where there are 
more than 5-6 columns, where my memory gets a bit stretched. Excel has 
a great feature in the Quick Settings (Insert V) configurator (Titles) 
that will allow user-defined row and column headers to be tagged so 
they are read by the JAWS voice as I navigate from cell to sell, 
column to column, row to row.  Nice feature.


On 9/11/2015 9:51 PM, Dacia Cole wrote:

Hi,

I'm struggling reading a table in word, I've also tried reading it in
Adobe and openbook.  It's hard to tell what columns go with what row.
What are the best ways to read a table in these programs?  I have
openbook 9 and office 2013 with jaws 16 and windows 8.1

thanks,

Dacia

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Re: [JAWS-Users] [EXTERNAL] If You Don't Want Windows 10 Installed On Your Computer, Read This Article

[Jim Pursley]

I've always chosen my updates from the important updates list but that 
did not prevent Microsoft from placing its nasty little Get Windows 10 
balloons allover my machine, about 5X a day.  Only the GWX software 
zapped it all.  I'm a happy camper with GWX.  Windows 10 will come to me 
in the fullness of my own time, not Microsoft's.


On 3/14/2016 1:52 PM, Baracco, Andrew W wrote:

Another thing you can do is to shut down your machine when not using it,
and don't let it run overnight if you are not using it.

Andy


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Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 4:03 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [JAWS-Users] If You Don't Want Windows 10 Installed
On Your Computer, Read This Article


A few list members have recently reported being updated to Windows 10
without their knowledge or intervention.  If you are happy with Windows
7 or even Windows 8 or 8.1 and do not want Windows 10 surreptitiously
installed on your computer, check out this article from GHacks
Technology, which was posted yesterday:

http://www.ghacks.net/2016/03/13/if-you-dont-want-windows-10-do-this/

Gerald

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird 38.72

[Jim Pursley]

I am running 38.7.2.  This said, I went for a year at one time with no 
updates.   Since I did a manual download of a later version,though, 
Tbird seems to be updating more frequently.


On 4/6/2016 4:21 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

No new release for me yet.

Maria Campbell
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On 4/6/2016 1:26 PM, anna vimini wrote:

did any one elses Thunderbird update to this release 38.72
thanks in advance

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Re: [JAWS-Users] not seeing any posts.

[Jim Pursley]

Yes, there has been an eerie silence on the JAWS list.  Have I been on 
the moon while something to cut down list traffic has occurred? Did 
David and Rick "retire" as moderators?


Feeling out of the loop.

Jim Pursley
On 6/6/2016 2:57 PM, Tim Ford wrote:
I got your note, but otherwise the list has been quiet, so I think all 
is well and folks are just taking some time off.


Tim Ford


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Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 10:52 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] not seeing any posts.

Just back from a trip while was no mail.  Got myself back to receiving
messages from the list, but am seeing none.

John

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Re: [JAWS-Users] not seeing any posts.

[Jim Pursley]

Great.  No Canadian team in the Stanley Cup this year - two expansion 
teams from the US.  Evolution  Go Bruins!?


Cheers.

On 6/7/2016 7:41 AM, David Ferrin wrote:
We have not retired as of yet. I have thought about it various times, 
mostly when there is dissention or other kinds of activities that 
cause me to wonder why we do this. Things have been well for some time 
now. I think that people are following the Stanly cup play offs and 
that is why the list has been quiet.


-Original Message- From: Jim Pursley
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 2:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] not seeing any posts.

Yes, there has been an eerie silence on the JAWS list.  Have I been on
the moon while something to cut down list traffic has occurred? Did
David and Rick "retire" as moderators?

Feeling out of the loop.

Jim Pursley
On 6/6/2016 2:57 PM, Tim Ford wrote:
I got your note, but otherwise the list has been quiet, so I think 
all is well and folks are just taking some time off.


Tim Ford


-Original Message- From: john r vaugh...@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 10:52 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] not seeing any posts.

Just back from a trip while was no mail.  Got myself back to receiving
messages from the list, but am seeing none.

John

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Latest Jaws Update?

[Jim Pursley]

I download from the JAWS site www.freedomscientific.com.  From the home 
page there is a link JAWS July 2017 update.   If you want to download 
from the site (you get the the entire JAWS program with the adds, not 
just a patch that you would get from clicking on the update links.  Some 
say re-downloading the entire program is a better way to ensure that 
JAWS always remains integrated.  You won't have to redo your 
settings..they remain as you had them.


to download from the Freedom Scientific site

/JAWS/Downloads/JAWS   from the Freedom Scientific home page.

On 7/14/2016 12:11 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

Hello, everyone.

  


This morning, I received notification that a new Jaws update is available.

  


Does anyone have info as to what this update addresses?

  


Am trying to decide whether to download and install it here.

  


Am currently using Jaws 17.0.2211.

  


Thank you!

  


Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

  

  


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird Email Client Questions

[Jim Pursley]

I haven't had an issue with Thunderbird reading e-mails after I got a 
faster computer and started using the down arrow  to read once JAWS 
set.  Have you set your receiving emails to HTML or to text? HTML takes 
longer to open - they don't open and begin reading instantaneously like 
Eudora did.  Not reading at all sounds like an anomaly, perhaps a 
download issue.




On 7/15/2016 8:40 PM, valiant8086 wrote:

Hi.


I do use it, but I wouldn't say that it is windows live mail exactly. 
That said, I like Thunderbird but just now with version 45.1.1 I can't 
get JAWS to read messages on it. I have to use NVDA to get my email 
for now until I figure out what's going on.



Cheers, Aaron Spears, general Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates 
Developing "very good audiogames" for the blind community 
http://valiantGalaxy.com Sent with Thunderbird 38.5.0 portable

On 7/15/2016 4:07 PM, Helga Schreiber wrote:
Hi all! How are you all? Do anyone here use the thunderbird email 
clients for your email accounts?  If so, what are the  steps in using 
it? I'm just wondering since I install it last night on my windows 10 
computer. Now I'm using JAWS 17 on my computer,and I don't know is 
this client compatible with JAWs? Someone told me that thunderbird is 
the same as Windows Live mail 2012, but my problem is that I want to 
go back to my foldrs, change between  email accounts since I have two 
email accounts, and go to my settings in order to change soem 
settings. In other words, I want to go read my hotmail account,and 
then go to my gmail when I want,adn vise versa guys! I use to have my 
hotmail email account on Windows Livemail 2012, but it does not work 
anymore since Windows Live mail 2012 does not work anymore with a 
micrsoft account. So I decided  to get Thunderbird eamil client is my 
other option as a free client. I will really appreciate it if you can 
help me with this matter guys! I want to use Thunderbird as I used 
Windows live mail.  I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks 
and God bless!


Helga Schreiber

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of 
Blind Students.

Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird Email Client Questions

[Jim Pursley]

Eggsellent.

On 7/16/2016 2:10 PM, valiant8086 wrote:

Hi.

Updating to 45.2.0 fixed it. Thanks. For the record, setting to 
display message body as plain text didn't, I tried that before 
checking for updates.



Cheers, Aaron Spears, general Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates 
Developing "very good audiogames" for the blind community 
http://valiantGalaxy.com Sent with Thunderbird 38.5.0 portable

On 7/15/2016 9:48 PM, Jim Pursley wrote:
I haven't had an issue with Thunderbird reading e-mails after I got a 
faster computer and started using the down arrow  to read once JAWS 
set.  Have you set your receiving emails to HTML or to text? HTML 
takes longer to open - they don't open and begin reading 
instantaneously like Eudora did.  Not reading at all sounds like an 
anomaly, perhaps a download issue.




On 7/15/2016 8:40 PM, valiant8086 wrote:

Hi.


I do use it, but I wouldn't say that it is windows live mail 
exactly. That said, I like Thunderbird but just now with version 
45.1.1 I can't get JAWS to read messages on it. I have to use NVDA 
to get my email for now until I figure out what's going on.



Cheers, Aaron Spears, general Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates 
Developing "very good audiogames" for the blind community 
http://valiantGalaxy.com Sent with Thunderbird 38.5.0 portable

On 7/15/2016 4:07 PM, Helga Schreiber wrote:
Hi all! How are you all? Do anyone here use the thunderbird email 
clients for your email accounts?  If so, what are the  steps in 
using it? I'm just wondering since I install it last night on my 
windows 10 computer. Now I'm using JAWS 17 on my computer,and I 
don't know is this client compatible with JAWs? Someone told me 
that thunderbird is the same as Windows Live mail 2012, but my 
problem is that I want to go back to my foldrs, change between  
email accounts since I have two email accounts, and go to my 
settings in order to change soem settings. In other words, I want 
to go read my hotmail account,and then go to my gmail when I 
want,adn vise versa guys! I use to have my hotmail email account on 
Windows Livemail 2012, but it does not work anymore since Windows 
Live mail 2012 does not work anymore with a micrsoft account. So I 
decided  to get Thunderbird eamil client is my other option as a 
free client. I will really appreciate it if you can help me with 
this matter guys! I want to use Thunderbird as I used Windows live 
mail.  I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!


Helga Schreiber

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association 
of Blind Students.

Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/

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whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." 
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Citibank website navigation

[Jim Pursley]

I had a heck of a time when the new page format was installed but 
somehow I managed to find the accessible version. somehow I got the 
accessible link to work.  The accessible version is the print version 
and works great, but does not have all site features like the alerts.  I 
recommend calling the web site tech group - customer service can connect 
you - andwork through the steps to get the accessible version.


Bill pay is a snap, one reason why i don't change banks.  Chase has a 
nice feature which allows money to be eft'd to another person by 
supplying an e-mail - and it's accessible.  Bank of America's site is 
accessible, too.




On 8/2/2016 5:53 PM, T. Civitello wrote:
I have a Citi Bank account and pay my bills on it. When They made 
changes a couple of years ago and I started having problems, I called 
them and they provided me with a link to the older version and I 
haven't had any problems since.  Tom


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Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 1:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Citibank website navigation

Hi. I'm trying to help a new JAWS user who is experienced with IE. 
We've run into problems on the Citibank website. I don't have a 
Citibank account, and so I can't log in. So, does anyone have thoughts 
about the following three issues?



1.   The website has a virtual assistant that seems to interfere 
with JAWS. Can it be removed?



2.   I notice on the log-in page a purported link for screenreader 
users. However, I can't activate the link no matter what I try. Any 
ideas?



3.   Finally, is there more than one bill pay page? My friend 
isn't recognizing the organization of the bill pay page he found. I 
think this may be a misunderstanding, but I could be wrong.



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Re: [JAWS-Users] adobe acrobat reader dc

[Jim Pursley]

Are the links that might be in a pdf original preserved with JAWS OCR.

On 8/8/2016 12:37 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

Go to preferences with control-k, then arrow down to accessibility. There may 
be other choices there, too. In addition, here are the instructions for opening 
PDF files outside the browser.

Go to the Edit menu (alt-e) and arrow up to the Accessibility submenu.
Select Set-up Assistant.
On page 5 of 5, the last page, of the Set-up Assistant is a check box labeled 
"Display PDF documents in the web browser." It should be unchecked so that the 
web page is processed directly by Adobe Reader.

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim Ronald
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 9:49 AM
To: Jaws-Users
Subject: [JAWS-Users] adobe acrobat reader dc

Would one of you fine folks please send me the Accessibility Settings for 
Acrobat Reader DC.

  


Thanks,  Jim.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] adobe acrobat reader dc

[Jim Pursley]

The links are indeed available in a JAWS OCR doc, according to tech 
support, while if Open Book is used with the Freedom Import Printer they 
are not.  But, so far as I know, "empty document" only shows when a pdf 
is scanned.  So it appears that Adobe Reader 15 DC works as 11 did?


why is this important to me?  I'm still running Adobe Reader 11 and 
considering upgrading.


On 8/8/2016 12:32 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

Maria, this is different from the previous query, and I can answer this one 
fast. You should try FS's OCR feature: JAWS key+spacebar, then o. for the 
entire document, press d after o. It may take a few moments, but once the OCR 
conversion has completed, a new window will open with the result.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 11:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] adobe acrobat reader dc

Doubtless, this issue has been addressed countless times. However, I just 
installed Adobe Reader DC on my w10 laptop with JAWS 17.  When I open one of my 
pdf documents I get the empty document alert.  Like Ronald, I need to know how 
to remedy the situation.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

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Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 8/8/2016 9:49 AM, Jim Ronald wrote:

Would one of you fine folks please send me the Accessibility Settings
for Acrobat Reader DC.

   


Thanks,  Jim.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] adobe acrobat reader dc

[Jim Pursley]

I use Open Book most of the time to read scanned docs as well as 
security protected docs.  Best for really long docs, too, as JAWS OCR 
may take some time to load.  Open Book wipes out all links, though.  Why 
JAWS OCR does not wipe out links is a bit of a mystery as they both have 
the same or similar OCR engines.  Open Book may add some treatment that 
JAWS OCR does not.


On 8/8/2016 3:50 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Maria,

Another way to read 1 of those empty documents is with Openbook, if
installed.  Try the following:
1. Open the PDF File using Adobe / Acrobat Reader DC.
2. After you get that empty document message press, Control + P, to open the
print dialogue.
3. From the list of printers arrow down to, Freedom Import Printer, & press
enter.
4. It'll take several seconds but, you'll hear Openbook open & start
processing the file.
Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message -
From: Maria Campbell
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] adobe acrobat reader dc


Thank you Adrian.  I just wish Adobe would handle accessibility without
third party programs having to do it.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 8/8/2016 11:32 AM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

Maria, this is different from the previous query, and I can answer this
one fast. You should try FS's OCR feature: JAWS key+spacebar, then o. for
the entire document, press d after o. It may take a few moments, but once
the OCR conversion has completed, a new window will open with the result.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 11:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] adobe acrobat reader dc

Doubtless, this issue has been addressed countless times. However, I just
installed Adobe Reader DC on my w10 laptop with JAWS 17.  When I open one
of my pdf documents I get the empty document alert.  Like Ronald, I need
to know how to remedy the situation.


Maria Campbell
luc...@gmail.com

Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries.
Without them, hunanity cannot survive.
--Dalai Lama

On 8/8/2016 9:49 AM, Jim Ronald wrote:

Would one of you fine folks please send me the Accessibility Settings
for Acrobat Reader DC.



Thanks,  Jim.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird

[Jim Pursley]

Never hhad that problem.  45.2 seemed to make message closing work 
differently than the others.  I would sometimes close a message and I'd 
close Tbird.  So I started closing messages wih the  escape key (I open 
in a new window).


I've not had the issue you are having, but if I were you I might check 
your settings under reading or display and see if they need changing.  
Do you close messages with the escape key?

On 8/8/2016 7:06 PM, anna vimini wrote:
is any one using Thunderbird 45.20 having this problem every time I 
open a message to read then after close the message the program 
becomes unresponsive how can I fix this problem?


I do get the unresponsive script stop button or continue button so I 
press stop script  button and I read the next message and the same 
thing happens


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Re: [JAWS-Users] adobe acrobat reader dc

[Jim Pursley]

Just google download Adobe Reader and you'll get the freebie.

On 8/8/2016 6:14 PM, Justin Williams wrote:

The pro and the standard cost money.  Which one do I get, or should I find a
free version?
  Justin

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Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 5:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] adobe acrobat reader dc

Hi Justin,
Download the latest one, which is the Adobe DC.
Take care.


-Original Message-
From: Justin Williams
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 3:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] adobe acrobat reader dc

Which adobe should I download?
I just usually get the latest one.
Justin

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 2:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] adobe acrobat reader dc

Hi Jim,

Here you go:
Hi All,

For those new to Adobe Reader DC, try the settings changes below to see if
they help with its performance.

Note that there are links with the Security Enhanced section to explain the
consequences of unchecking items there, and you may want to find out what
they have to say.

1. Open Adobe Reader DC from your desktop or start menu icons, go into
preferences with control-k. JAWS lands on an item in a tree view.
If you have been here before, it will be the item you last opened. Arrow
down to Security Enhanced. Note that this is the item below "Security."
Then uncheck these 2 options, the 2nd option is not necessary to uncheck
but, optional:
Enable Protected Mode at startup, needs to be unchecked.

Enable Enhanced Security, does not need to be unchecked.
Note. When making changes in the Security Enhanced section, you will be told
that Adobe needs to be restarted, but you can wait to finish the other
changes first.

2. Launch the Edit menu, Alt + E, scroll down to the Accessibility submenu
and open it. Scroll down to the Set-up Assistant and press enter. The Set-Up
Assistant has five screens, but the only change you have to make is on the
last, screen 5 of 5. Go through all the screens, pressing spacebar on "Next"
in each instance, until you reach the fifth and final screen. Here, tab to
the check box labeled "Display PDF documents in the web browser" and make
sure it is unchecked. It may be checked by default. Then tab to the Okay
button, & press enter. You can now close the  program & give it a try on a
PDF file.

Take care.
Mike
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From: Jim Ronald
To: Jaws-Users
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 6:49 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] adobe acrobat reader dc


Would one of you fine folks please send me the Accessibility Settings for
Acrobat Reader DC.



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Re: [JAWS-Users] thunderbird

[Jim Pursley]

CheckAdd-ons as Mario suggested?  Tbird sometimes crashes on me. 
Deleting a bunch of sent messages seems to help.  But Tbird crashing is 
not your keyboard locking up.  Are you losing focus?  Wjhen it appears 
to lock up, try turning the numpad key off and clicking the left click 
button to the immediate right of the numpdad key button. Alternatively 
you can click the left mouse button not on a link and the page will 
refocus.  I don't lose focus in tbird, but who knows? It could be possible.


You could have a corrupted file, too.  repairing Tbird is beyond my pay 
grade.  Deleting Tbird and redownloading the latest Tbird version is an 
extreme option.  So is setting your whole computer back to the day 
before you downloaded the latest Tbird Version. Finally, it seems like 
T'bird's chat group might help.


On 8/9/2016 12:18 PM, anna vimini wrote:
No I compose messages the normal way but when I go to read them the 
computer seems to crash for some reason but I am still able to read 
them but when I go to close the message the program becomes un 
responsive and when I start the computer in the morning and enter on 
thunderbird the computer also  becomes un responsive


Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird
Never hhad that problem.  45.2 seemed to make message closing work 
differently than the others.  I would sometimes close a message and 
I'd close Tbird.
So I started closing messages wih the  escape key (I open in a new 
window).


I've not had the issue you are having, but if I were you I might check 
your settings under reading or display and see if they need changing.  
Do you close

messages with the escape key?
On 8/8/2016 7:06 PM, anna vimini wrote:
block quote
is any one using Thunderbird 45.20 having this problem every time I 
open a message to read then after close the message the program 
becomes unresponsive

how can I fix this problem?

I do get the unresponsive script stop button or continue button so I 
press stop script  button and I read the next message and the same 
thing happens


thanks in advance

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Re: [JAWS-Users] thunderbird

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CheckAdd-ons as Mario suggested?  Tbird sometimes crashes on me. 
Deleting a bunch of sent messages seems to help.  But Tbird crashing is 
not your keyboard locking up.  Are you losing focus?  When it appears to 
lock up, try turning the numpad key off and clicking the left click 
button to the immediate right of the numpdad key button. Alternatively 
you can click the left mouse button not on a link and the page will 
refocus.  I don't lose focus in tbird, but who knows? It could be possible.


You could have a corrupted file, too.  repairing Tbird is beyond my pay 
grade.  Deleting Tbird and redownloading the latest Tbird version is an 
extreme option.  So is setting your whole computer back to the day 
before you downloaded the latest Tbird Version. Finally, it seems like 
T'bird's chat group might help.


On 8/9/2016 12:18 PM, anna vimini wrote:
No I compose messages the normal way but when I go to read them the 
computer seems to crash for some reason but I am still able to read 
them but when I go to close the message the program becomes un 
responsive and when I start the computer in the morning and enter on 
thunderbird the computer also  becomes un responsive


Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird
Never hhad that problem.  45.2 seemed to make message closing work 
differently than the others.  I would sometimes close a message and 
I'd close Tbird.
So I started closing messages wih the  escape key (I open in a new 
window).


I've not had the issue you are having, but if I were you I might check 
your settings under reading or display and see if they need changing.  
Do you close

messages with the escape key?
On 8/8/2016 7:06 PM, anna vimini wrote:
block quote
is any one using Thunderbird 45.20 having this problem every time I 
open a message to read then after close the message the program 
becomes unresponsive

how can I fix this problem?

I do get the unresponsive script stop button or continue button so I 
press stop script  button and I read the next message and the same 
thing happens


thanks in advance

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Re: [JAWS-Users] thunderbird

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45.2.0 is the latest I have.  So far so good.

On 8/9/2016 4:18 PM, anna vimini wrote:
I for got to ask in the last message to the list if this is the right 
version of Thunderbird?


thanks in advance

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird

[Jim Pursley]

Dunno, but I'd suggest opening in a new tab.  45.2 seems to work better 
opening maiol in a new tab. You'll also be able to keep your email open 
while returning to the in box.


On 8/9/2016 8:08 PM, anna vimini wrote:
Hi all I noticed something when I open a message in a new message 
window Thunderbird becomesunresponsive but when I open the message in 
a new tab it does not how can I fix this problem to get Thunderbird 
not to become unresponsive when I open the message in a new message 
window?


I checked in the ooptions and I have new message window checked off 
but still it does it


I am using windows 8.1  Jaws 15 and Thunderbird 45.20

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws and ribbon question

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Just hit the alt key (In Word if that's where you are or in Excel) and 
arrow right to the end of the ribbon where you'll find a toggle button, 
Max or Min.  Press enter and you should be good to go.


On 8/10/2016 10:09 AM, skagithorselover wrote:

Can someone please remind me what the command is to maximize the jaws virtual 
ribbon?

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws and ribbon question

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Try this.  Ins + J gets you to JAWs.  Alt H to the Help menu.  Arrow 
down to the start up wizard.  Under common options you'll see an option 
for how JAWS handles ribbon menus.  If X mark the box and tab through 
the other screens to finish.


On 8/10/2016 3:35 PM, skagithorselover wrote:

Hi, I am speaking of the jaws virtual ribbon, yes the kind you can switch over 
to. But I think I accdientally minimized it when I installed and set up my 
Jaws, now not sure how to get it back.

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To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Date: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 10:16 am
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws and ribbon question



I may have given you the wrong keystroke.
  Are you speaking of the normal ribbons in word, or the 2003 style ribbon
which you can switch over two with jaws in the setting center?
Justin

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Can someone please remind me what the command is to maximize the jaws
virtual ribbon?

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird

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try a hot key.  From the Thunderbird icon on the desktop hit the 
applications key and hit the letter r for properties.  Arrow down to 
shortcut key and write in the letter you want.  Tab to OK and hit 
enter.  Control alt plus your letter should open the program forthwith.


On 8/11/2016 11:29 AM, anna vimini wrote:

now I only have one prob

when I first enter the Thunderbird icon on the desk top open 
Thunderbird it still does not respond right away I have to play around 
a bit before the unresponsive dialogue comes up.


would you know what ls I can try?

thanks in advance


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird

[Jim Pursley]

Agree, Mario, about opening/response time.  Version 45.2 seems to have 
increased the time between clicking a message open for reading and JAWS 
starting to read it.  This said, I select to read in HTML so I've always 
figured that HTML pages take awhile longer to load. But I thought Anna's 
latest issue on this thread related to opening the program.  I've 
noticed no more delay in getting the In Box than prior versions had - 
the In Box fills a message at a time.


I probably know a lot less about Tbird than either you or Maria know, 
but I'm learning.  I've no plans to bail to another email client.

On 8/11/2016 2:46 PM, Mario wrote:
Anna, you do realize that TB has to poll the email server for new 
messages, so access/responsiveness is not going to be instantaneous, 
right? if so, pardon me and continue with Jim.




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From: anna vimini [mailto:an...@etown.net]
Sent: Thursday, Aug 11, 2016 12:52 PM EST
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird

Hi Jim,

I did what you said and made a hot key for Thunderbird and when you
press the hot key it does the same thing the program still does not
respond when it opens just like when I enter the icon on the desk top.

I sure wish I knew what is wrong with it this problem just started this
week.

well thanks for your help any way I will keep trying and let you know if
I figure it out.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird

[Jim Pursley]

Anna..the program does not respond when it opens.  What do you have to 
do to get it to respond?  I need to tab from the first screen ttwice - 
first through the tree list and then to the email list. then all is fine.




On 8/11/2016 2:46 PM, Mario wrote:
Anna, you do realize that TB has to poll the email server for new 
messages, so access/responsiveness is not going to be instantaneous, 
right? if so, pardon me and continue with Jim.




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From: anna vimini [mailto:an...@etown.net]
Sent: Thursday, Aug 11, 2016 12:52 PM EST
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird

Hi Jim,

I did what you said and made a hot key for Thunderbird and when you
press the hot key it does the same thing the program still does not
respond when it opens just like when I enter the icon on the desk top.

I sure wish I knew what is wrong with it this problem just started this
week.

well thanks for your help any way I will keep trying and let you know if
I figure it out.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] facebook notifications

[Jim Pursley]

I use Facebook for very basic things - works fine.  The mobile version 
is said to work better with JAWS.


On 8/13/2016 5:46 PM, David Moore wrote:

Hi,
The exact same thing happens to me. I would like to hear an answer for 
this one LOL!

Take care.
David Moore


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Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 12:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] facebook notifications

how come I get an email from facebook that I have 82 new notifications 
then when I log into my facebook account I find that I have no 
notifications at all?

is jaws still somewhat inaccessible with facebook?
Email is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
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Re: [JAWS-Users] thunderbird 45.2.0

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Thunderbird works for me.

On 8/23/2016 11:52 PM, Kevin wrote:

is thunderbird still accessible, I heard the new firefox has gotten 
inaccessible!
Email is golden!!!
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Introducing password with virtual keyboard

[Jim Pursley]

If the virtual keyboard is anything like what the banks in Brazil use, 
you only need to keep javascript up to date and the letters will read as 
text for you to select.



On 9/4/2016 1:24 PM, Teresa Arroyo Llosa wrote:

Hello,

I have Windows 8.1-64 and latest Jaws 16.

Can someone please tell me if it is possible introducing passwords with a 
virtual keyboard using Jaws; if so, how does it work.

In some banks and other business you have to use a virtual keyboard that 
appears when introducing a password, in order to do things in their website.

Thank you in advance.

Regards,

Teresa Arroyo Llosa

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Introducing password with virtual keyboard

[Jim Pursley]

I'm using Win 7, JAWS 17 but your process should not be too different.

Hit the Windows key for the start menu and arrow down to all programs 
sub menu.  Arrow right then type the letter j to see if you have java on 
your computer.  If so, you'll see the name java with a sub menu. rRight 
arrow again and hit check for updates to see if your java is up to 
date.  If you don't have java go to java.com and download it.  So far as 
I know the java program intereferes with nothing on my computer.


Then see if jaws will pronounce your virtual keyboard letters, which 
will appear as one letter links.  The process for writing on this 
virtual keyboard is um dor do saco but I've been  able do use it to log in.


On the other hand, it may be more direct for you to contact your bank or 
visit the site.  If you visit the site, do a control F for accessibility 
or for screen reader.  A lot of banks have accessibility protocols 
including a simpler site, like Citibank for example.




On a personal note I hope you are well in Venezuela.  The articles I 
read portrays a country in crisis.


I guess Brazil is no cake walk either but at least it's on a gradual 
path of improvement following some unfortunate political and economic 
mismanagement by a government which had been in power too long.  Too 
bad, too, as Lula da Silva did some solid things for the working class 
but his government was caught in several corruption scams, the biggest 
one being lava jata, or the Petro Bras money skimming  venture.





On 9/4/2016 2:32 PM, Teresa Arroyo Llosa wrote:
Well, I don't know how they look like. I am in Venezuela. How do I 
know if jabascript is up to date? Do I select and coppy the letters 
somewhere? Could you please be more especific?


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Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 1:23 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Introducing password with virtual keyboard

If the virtual keyboard is anything like what the banks in Brazil use,
you only need to keep javascript up to date and the letters will read as
text for you to select.


On 9/4/2016 1:24 PM, Teresa Arroyo Llosa wrote:

Hello,

I have Windows 8.1-64 and latest Jaws 16.

Can someone please tell me if it is possible introducing passwords 
with a virtual keyboard using Jaws; if so, how does it work.


In some banks and other business you have to use a virtual keyboard 
that appears when introducing a password, in order to do things in 
their website.


Thank you in advance.

Regards,

Teresa Arroyo Llosa

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Adobe Question

[Jim Pursley]

Using adobe 15DC?
Get in adobe..no page is fine.

Tap the Alt key, Arrow across to View.  Then scroll down to 
accessibility sub menu.  Right arrow.  Two options..Change Reading 
Preferences and Setup Assistant.


You should select continuous page if you want to read an entire 
document.  Check your large document settings, too.  Maybe the doc you 
are reading single page is a large doc according to your system.


I set my large doc at a very high level as I have a pretty new machine 
and even large docs load pretty quickly.


On 9/15/2016 3:54 PM, Lynn White wrote:

I've noticed recently that the Adobe reader is only reading one page.


Using Windows 10, how do you review the screen reader settings for 
Adobe.  Thanks.



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Re: [JAWS-Users] How to get to a different sheet in Excel 2010

[Jim Pursley]

You can also use Control + Shift S to view all of your pages.  Arrow to 
the one you want and press enter.


On 9/17/2016 5:18 PM, James Macdonald wrote:

Hi ed The shortcut to change sheets in a workbook in excel is control plus page 
up and control plus page down here is a threat that list shortcuts check it out
http://www.geocities.ws/jawsnotes/excel.htm
Cheers James


Sent from my shoe Phone
  


On 18 Sep. 2016, at 05:57, Joeylamperis  wrote:

Control shift S

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 17, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Mr. Ed  wrote:

Hi Everyone,

If I am on an Excel sheet and I want to go to a different sheet what is the
shortcut key to do this?

Another words go from sheet 1 to sheet 2?

Ed

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Re: [JAWS-Users] an optional windows update Kb 3,184,143

[Jim Pursley]

I'd recommend only downloading "important" updates.  Skip the 
recommended updates.  iI checked the option in the Windows Update 
control panel to "Check for updates but let me install them".


Still all of this caution did not prevent the Get Windows 10 onslaught.

On 9/20/2016 5:48 PM, John Fitzgerald wrote:

Are there any other updates that I need to look out for?  I have updates
turned off and have not updated for quite awhile to keep from being infested
by the get windows 10 bug.  Now that the W 10 flap is over I'd like to
update but am not sure which one's to look out for.  I am running windows 7
and jaws 16.

Thanks,

John Fitzgerald
Muse, Oklahoma
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Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] an optional windows update Kb 3,184,143

Hi Anna,

Here you go, it sounds like an update to install, info below:

optional windows update Kb 3,184,143

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3184143

About this update
This update removes the Get Windows 10 app and other software related to the
Windows 10 free upgrade offer that expired on July 29, 2016. For a complete
list of the software removed by this Windows Update, see the update
replacement information.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3184143#bookmark-kblist

This update replaces the following previously-released software:
KB 3035583
  -- Update installs Get Windows 10 app in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 SP1 KB
3064683
  -- Windows 8.1 OOBE modifications to reserve Windows 10 KB 3072318
  -- Update for Windows 8.1 OOBE to upgrade to Windows 10 KB 3090045
  -- Windows Update for reserved devices in Windows 8.1 or Windows 7 SP1 KB
3123862
  -- Updated capabilities to upgrade Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 KB 3173040
  -- Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 SP1 end of free upgrade offer notification KB
3146449
  -- Updated Internet Explorer 11 capabilities to upgrade Windows 8.1 and
Windows 7


Take care.
Mike
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To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:49 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] an optional windows update Kb 3,184,143


I just want to know if I am understanding things right about this
optional windows update

Kb 3,184,143

it removes all windows updates pertaining to the get windows 10 update?

I am using windows 8.1  and jaws 15

isn't that funny the way they come out with things after it is all over

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Re: [JAWS-Users] thunderbird keystrokes

[Jim Pursley]

Try this link.

www-archive.mozilla.org/support/*thunderbird*/keyboard


On 9/26/2016 5:01 PM, Tom wrote:

does anyone on the list  know how to find the jaws keystrokes for thunderbird?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] thunderbird keystrokes

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Try this link.  I pulled it from my bookmarks.  It should be live for you.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/keyboard-shortcuts

On 9/26/2016 7:21 PM, Tom wrote:

tried the link, this is part of what opened:

404: File Not Found
/support/*thunderbird*/keyboard/

We are sorry, the file you requested could not be found.

Please check the spelling and punctuation. Our servers are case 
sensitive, so also be sure that the address has the correct case. You 
can use the links on this page or the search Mozilla feature at the 
top to find the document you were looking for.


 




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Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 5:00 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] thunderbird keystrokes

Try this link.

www-archive.mozilla.org/support/*thunderbird*/keyboard


On 9/26/2016 5:01 PM, Tom wrote:
does anyone on the list  know how to find the jaws keystrokes for 
thunderbird?

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Going to the top of a particular column in Excel

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Control and up arrow moves you up the column - to the top most of the 
time.  Just repeat the move if you don't get to the top the first time 
you use the key combination.


On 10/6/2016 1:36 AM, Kurt Miller wrote:

Hi list members,

I am wondering if there is a key command that will take you to the top of a
column that you are in. I know that I can use the go to command and type in
the cell of the top of the column, but I am just wondering if there is
another way to get there. The home key will take you to the beginning of the
row so I was wondering if there was something for the top.

If there is, I haven't ran across it yet and using the go to is not a
problem. I just thought I would ask. This is something that has crossed my
mind several times.

Thanks in advance for any responses.

Kurt

  


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Re: [JAWS-Users] signing out of thunderbird

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You need not sign out.  Just get into the mailbox tree view, one level 
up from the in box and scroll to the other account.  then go along the 
ribbon to your in box or wherever you want to go.in the new email address.


On 10/11/2016 9:52 AM, Tom wrote:

I use thunderbird for email, but have no idea how to sign out of the email 
account I have open on tb now, so that I can use another. can anyone help me? 
jaws 17
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Need format cells command in Excell 2010

[Jim Pursley]

Shift plus control plus f works too.  You can format cells 
individually.  You can also use the applications key to format cells.  
Are you wanting to format an entire worksheet?  I have no answer for 
that one.


On 10/11/2016 11:10 AM, Justin Williams wrote:

Alt h o will get you to the format menu.  What are you trying to do.
Control number 1 will also get you to the format menu, but that format menu
is different.
  Justin

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Subject: [JAWS-Users] Need format cells command in Excell 2010

I'm suffering a brain freeze/senior moment  and cannot remember the command
to format cells in Excel 2010.

Thanks for any help.

  


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Re: [JAWS-Users] signing out of thunderbird

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Let's figure you're in the inbox of one of your email addresses, email 
A.   Shift tab to the tree view (I employ the JAWS ribbon option) 
through mailboxes to find your current  email address. JAWS will say 
your email address and announce open.  Arrow to the left, JAWS 
announcing email A closed.  Arrow down and you should find your second 
email address...assuming you've enabled it on Thunderbird.


Now reverse the process.  Open your second email by arrowing to the 
right and then arrowing down through the tree view.  I find the method I 
described faster than the easier way - (here it is)


From your email A in box press shift tab to the tree view.  Arrow down 
through your current email's boxes to your second email..then keep 
arrowing down until you find the box you want and tab to it.


?Seems bit tricky but if you do it enough you'll get proficient.

Warning. If you tab a bit too far you might get something like Welcome 
To Thunderbird.  In that case just keep tabbing until you hear your 
inbox and navigate from there.10/11/2016 10:23 AM, Tom wrote:

how do I do this jim?

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Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 8:03 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] signing out of thunderbird

You need not sign out.  Just get into the mailbox tree view, one level
up from the in box and scroll to the other account.  then go along the
ribbon to your in box or wherever you want to go.in the new email 
address.


On 10/11/2016 9:52 AM, Tom wrote:
I use thunderbird for email, but have no idea how to sign out of the 
email account I have open on tb now, so that I can use another. can 
anyone help me? jaws 17

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Re: [JAWS-Users] signing out of thunderbird

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Alt T takes you to the tools menu.  Arrow up to Account settings. Tap 
the letter s.  You should see your current and only email.  Tab once to 
a button menu.  Tap the space bar and press enter on email account.  
Follow the wizard.


On 10/11/2016 12:13 PM, Tom wrote:

very nice, but right now, I have only 1 address, how do I put in another?
-Original Message- From: Jim Pursley Sent: Tuesday, October 
11, 2016 9:53 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: 
[JAWS-Users] signing out of thunderbird
Let's figure you're in the inbox of one of your email addresses, email 
A.   Shift tab to the tree view (I employ the JAWS ribbon option) 
through mailboxes to find your current  email address. JAWS will say 
your email address and announce open.  Arrow to the left, JAWS 
announcing email A closed.  Arrow down and you should find your second 
email address...assuming you've enabled it on Thunderbird.


Now reverse the process.  Open your second email by arrowing to the 
right and then arrowing down through the tree view.  I find the method 
I described faster than the easier way - (here it is)


From your email A in box press shift tab to the tree view.  Arrow down 
through your current email's boxes to your second email..then keep 
arrowing down until you find the box you want and tab to it.


?Seems bit tricky but if you do it enough you'll get proficient.

Warning. If you tab a bit too far you might get something like Welcome 
To Thunderbird.  In that case just keep tabbing until you hear your 
inbox and navigate from there.10/11/2016 10:23 AM, Tom wrote:

how do I do this jim?

-Original Message- From: Jim Pursley
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 8:03 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] signing out of thunderbird

You need not sign out.  Just get into the mailbox tree view, one level
up from the in box and scroll to the other account.  then go along the
ribbon to your in box or wherever you want to go.in the new email 
address.


On 10/11/2016 9:52 AM, Tom wrote:
I use thunderbird for email, but have no idea how to sign out of the 
email account I have open on tb now, so that I can use another. can 
anyone help me? jaws 17

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Re: [JAWS-Users] signing out of thunderbird

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Was the blind leading the blind on that one.  HTH.

On 10/11/2016 1:04 PM, Tom wrote:

works like a charm. thanks so much

-Original Message- From: Jim Pursley Sent: Tuesday, October 
11, 2016 10:24 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: 
[JAWS-Users] signing out of thunderbird
Alt T takes you to the tools menu.  Arrow up to Account settings. Tap 
the letter s.  You should see your current and only email. Tab once to 
a button menu.  Tap the space bar and press enter on email account.  
Follow the wizard.


On 10/11/2016 12:13 PM, Tom wrote:
very nice, but right now, I have only 1 address, how do I put in 
another?
-Original Message- From: Jim Pursley Sent: Tuesday, October 
11, 2016 9:53 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: 
[JAWS-Users] signing out of thunderbird
Let's figure you're in the inbox of one of your email addresses, 
email A.   Shift tab to the tree view (I employ the JAWS ribbon 
option) through mailboxes to find your current  email address. JAWS 
will say your email address and announce open.  Arrow to the left, 
JAWS announcing email A closed.  Arrow down and you should find your 
second email address...assuming you've enabled it on Thunderbird.


Now reverse the process.  Open your second email by arrowing to the 
right and then arrowing down through the tree view.  I find the 
method I described faster than the easier way - (here it is)


From your email A in box press shift tab to the tree view.  Arrow down 
through your current email's boxes to your second email..then keep 
arrowing down until you find the box you want and tab to it.


?Seems bit tricky but if you do it enough you'll get proficient.

Warning. If you tab a bit too far you might get something like 
Welcome To Thunderbird.  In that case just keep tabbing until you 
hear your inbox and navigate from there.10/11/2016 10:23 AM, Tom wrote:

how do I do this jim?

-Original Message- From: Jim Pursley
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 8:03 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] signing out of thunderbird

You need not sign out.  Just get into the mailbox tree view, one level
up from the in box and scroll to the other account.  then go along the
ribbon to your in box or wherever you want to go.in the new email 
address.


On 10/11/2016 9:52 AM, Tom wrote:
I use thunderbird for email, but have no idea how to sign out of 
the email account I have open on tb now, so that I can use another. 
can anyone help me? jaws 17

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Re: [JAWS-Users] regarding the recent drop in list traffic

[Jim Pursley]

Maybe Optilec/Freedom Scientific should subsidize list expenses as 
surely traffic which would have gone to tech support flows througgh the 
list.  I had a dog of a time with ribbon menus and from time to time an 
issue comes up which I pose to the list. I'd feel lost without the 
sharing support I and other members receive from not only the list but 
the resources you've prepared.


On 10/12/2016 7:55 AM, David Ferrin wrote:

I am a bit concerned over the significant drop in list traffic over the past 
several weeks. Granted Microsoft has blocked out this domain and earlier this 
year road runner did the same thing. Also in the past com cast and others have 
done the same.

It might be possible that the list has run its’ course. It is 11 years old this 
week as a matter of fact which I find hard to believe myself.

Let’s see how things go for a while before any major decisions are made so 
don’t anybody panic at this point. I am just expressing my concern about the 
way things have dropped off so much. It had to happen sooner or later. The fact 
is I have no idea how long the average email list stays in business, I suppose 
that would be an interesting study.

Now to sit back and see what kind of response this message generates.
David Ferrin
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Re: [JAWS-Users] How to make jaws announce rows and colum in MS Excel

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The best way to makerow and column titles read with JAWS is to mark them 
on the spreadshett itself, but I admit I still use the Excel-specific 
quick formatting.


Place the PC cursor at the intersection of the row and column you want 
to have titled.  Then press ins +v.


Arrow down the open Excel choices until you come to Workbook, Worksheet 
and Region Settings.

Arrow down to Title Reading.
Arrow down to Define name column and row titles override.  Set for the 
current file by pressing the spacebar.
Arrow down to Title Reading Detection.  Space bar to both column and row 
titles.

Press Enter and you should be good to go
On 11/3/2016 12:51 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay wrote:

Hi members, I wanted to make jaws announce the title of the current
row and column in MS Excel. I am doing settings after going into
insurt+v, and setting it to row and columns, but it is not announcing
both, though it is announcing the latest one.
For instance, if I am on an active worksheet, I press insurt+v, set it
on row first and then on column second, then jaws is announcing only
the title of the column and not of the row. So please tell me how to
set it in such a way that it could announce both titles, row and colum
as wel.
I am using Jaws 17 and MS excel 2003.


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[JAWS-Users] Row and column title speaking

[Jim Pursley]

Re: [JAWS-Users] How to make jaws announce rows and colum in MS Excel
The best way to make row and column titles read with JAWS is to mark 
them on the spreadsheet itself, but I admit I still use the 
Excel-specific quick formatting.


Place the PC cursor at the intersection of the row and column you want 
to have titled.  Then press ins +v.


Arrow down the open Excel choices until you come to Workbook, Worksheet 
and Region Settings.

Arrow down to Title Reading.
Arrow down to Define name column and row titles override.  Set for the 
current file by pressing the spacebar.
Arrow down to Title Reading Detection.  Space bar to both column and row 
titles.

Press Enter and you should be good to go
On 11/3/2016 12:51 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay wrote:
block quote cited from 
mid:CAMudc6wBBLqa0GFEaHDhc2uP=0rjm-vddsy_by0grh7+bnk...@mail.gmail.com

Hi members, I wanted to make jaws announce the title of the current
row and column in MS Excel. I am doing settings after going into
insurt+v, and setting it to row and columns, but it is not announcing
both, though it is announcing the latest one.
For instance, if I am on an active worksheet, I press insurt+v, set it
on row first and then on column second, then jaws is announcing only
the title of the column and not of the row. So please tell me how to
set it in such a way that it could announce both titles, row and colum
as wel.
I am using Jaws 17 and MS excel 2003.
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[JAWS-Users] Unusual Recaptcha experience

[Jim Pursley]

Confirming a subscription, I had to verify being human by completing a 
"challenge".  Selecting an audio challenge I needed to match several 
choices with x boxes with a topic, such as fish stew and dance.


The audio challenge was in JAWS-readable text.

I checked appropriate boxes and passed - the third time around.  A young 
person with only a high school education may have had difficulty with 
passing as fish stew included Italian and French stews most people could 
not pronounce (cioppino).


Bottom line, though - the audio challenge was a refreshing change from 
garbled sounds

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Moving from JAWS 17 to 18

[Jim Pursley]

I find it helpful to maintain the two most recent JAWS versions on my 
system, the older one as a back up.  As such, I would keep J17 and 
install J18 "over" it.  If you maintain J17 at least until you install 
J18 your  J17 settings will be preserved if you so elect.


On 11/9/2016 11:15 AM, jyandt.mar...@comcast.net wrote:

Regarding the installation of JAWS 18, do I need to uninstall JAWS 17 first, or 
can I just insert the disk and install it over the current version? Thanks.

Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] checking for updates is stuck in windows 8.1

[Jim Pursley]

Needs to run about 24 hours.  Try that.  You and a lot of others are 
having this problem, not just you.  Punishment for not having Win10?  
You might call the Microsoft Accessibility desk at 800-936-5900.  The 
first time I called I got the problem resolved for 3 weeks then it 
started again.  I've called 3 other times and now nothing 
downloads..nothing even shows in the cache for important updates.


My tech says just hang in there and let the machine run 24 hours or so 
and it'll download and install.



On 11/9/2016 9:12 PM, Annette Carr wrote:

I cannot get my Windows7 machine to get past checking for updates, or
downloading a silver Lite update.  I've tried several times and let it try
all night with no success.

Annette


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of anna vimini
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 5:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] checking for updates is stuck in windows 8.1

I went to check for updates in windows updates ande it seems to be stuck I
started checking for updates this morning and it is now five thirty seven
p.m.

does any one know how I can cancel this action?

I am using windows 8.1  and jaws 15


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Re: [JAWS-Users] how do i insert rows and columns in excel

[Jim Pursley]

Alt I for insert and then R for row.  Be sure your cursor is placed on 
the row below where you want your new row to be.  In Excel 2010, Alt I 
still works with a note to continue typing the key sequence of a 
keystroke for Excel 2003.  Be undaunted..Alt I, then R should get you a 
new row.  The cursor can be  any place on the row below your new one.


To insert a column, type Alt I and then C.  Be sure your cursor is to 
the right of where you want your new column to be.


You can probably insert rows and columns using the ribbon menus, too, 
but I find the quick keystrokes easier, as I use them frequently.

On 11/13/2016 4:56 PM, andy wrote:

I have a table and I need to re order some stuff and put in stuff that was
left out

How do I insert rows and columns instead of copy and pasting a ton of stuff.


Thanks a bunch

andy

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Re: [JAWS-Users] how do i insert rows and columns in excel

[Jim Pursley]

Alt I, E, C is correct for columns.

On 11/13/2016 5:23 PM, Jim Pursley wrote:
Alt I for insert and then R for row.  Be sure your cursor is placed on 
the row below where you want your new row to be.  In Excel 2010, Alt I 
still works with a note to continue typing the key sequence of a 
keystroke for Excel 2003.  Be undaunted..Alt I, then R should get you 
a new row.  The cursor can be  any place on the row below your new one.


To insert a column, type Alt I and then C.  Be sure your cursor is to 
the right of where you want your new column to be.


You can probably insert rows and columns using the ribbon menus, too, 
but I find the quick keystrokes easier, as I use them frequently.

On 11/13/2016 4:56 PM, andy wrote:
I have a table and I need to re order some stuff and put in stuff 
that was

left out

How do I insert rows and columns instead of copy and pasting a ton of 
stuff.



Thanks a bunch

andy

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 15

[Jim Pursley]

Yes, but you'll receive monthly updates until JAWS 16 is issued, usually 
in late October, early November.  An annual ritual.

On 9/12/2014 12:05 PM, anna vimini wrote:
now that jaws 16 is coming out does this mean that their will be no 
more specal updates to Jaws 15?

THANKS IN advance

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Re: [JAWS-Users] How to quiet keys or announcements in jaws.

[Jim Pursley]

It's normal.  The In Box is by default arranged by subject in ascending 
date order.  The View tab allows you to change the order of material in 
your mailboxes as well as changing the mailbox arrangement from 
ascending to descending.  I like latest first so I've selected 
descending (most recent at the top).  I think that the changes are per 
mailbox; you might have to repeat for your various mailboxes.

On 9/13/2014 4:04 PM, Holger Fiallo wrote:

This one I do not know I do not use that program.
-Original Message- From: Sunshine Sent: Saturday, September 
13, 2014 1:54 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: 
[JAWS-Users] How to quiet keys or announcements in jaws.
Ok, another question using thunderbird when  i open an email i hear 
the subject in the body of the email, is this normal? and if not how 
do i fix this one as well?

are there anythings i need to configure for this to not do this?
On 9/13/2014 1:49 PM, Holger Fiallo wrote:
go to help open and go up to startup Wizard and run it tab to hotkey 
and select what you want to hear. To closed jaws insert j and yes and 
to run it if you are on desktop j will start it.


-Original Message- From: Sunshine
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 1:39 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] How to quiet keys or announcements in jaws.

How do you make keys quiet in jaws? i mean i would like not to hear the
word enter when pressing the enter key, would like to hear cut copy
paste  and some other things, but would like to know how to make
things a bit more quiet, have set to advanced already.
also how to shut jaws up temparly so that there is no speech but can
bring it back when wanted.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] How to quiet keys or announcements in jaws.

[Jim Pursley]

Use the layered keystroke Ins, space bar and s.  Toggles on and off.  I, 
too, would like a less verbose JAWS at times.  Suggest a "Flexible JAWS" 
as the next innovation?  This said, I don'twant a cumbersome JAWS, 
either, one slow to react.  In the JAWS settings Center (ins F2 you can 
customize your verbosity settings at least somewhat.

On 9/13/2014 3:39 PM, Sunshine wrote:
How do you make keys quiet in jaws? i mean i would like not to hear 
the word enter when pressing the enter key, would like to hear cut 
copy paste  and some other things, but would like to know how to 
make things a bit more quiet, have set to advanced already.
also how to shut jaws up temparly so that there is no speech but can 
bring it back when wanted.



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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Dongle

[Jim Pursley]

From a conversation with Jim Ellsworth, as I recall it.  Donggkles are 
provided when JAWS users need repeat refreshes of authorizations.
the donggle essentially hardwires JAWS in current and future versions to 
one's computer, avoiding the problem of authorizing with each upgrade.  
It's not hard to see that the donggle, unless it has built in fraud 
protection, could enable anyone to use JAWS without a license.  So how 
do I know?  I had to request re-ups to my update authorizations twice in 
the last six months due to computer issues. Yes, the donggle is 
interesting.  Anything to streamline the somewhat cumbersome 
authorization process is welcome in my house.

On 9/14/2014 10:43 AM, David Ferrin wrote:

Please elaborate as to what the criteria happen to be, this is interesting.

David Ferrin
A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from
a simpler system that worked perfectly.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Michael Capelle
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Donggle

you fill out a form, and fs determins if you are elegable for a dongle.

- Original Message -
From: "Josh" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 7:38 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Donggle



Hello All,

  I purchased my SMA's the other day for 16 & 17 and tried to purchase a
Donggle. However, when I inquired about the Donggle I was told that I had
to
fill-out a form and get approved for the purchase. What is this form the
sales person speaks of?.  He said that he would send it to me in an
e-mail,
but I never received it. I wanted to inquire here about what it is before
I
start trying to follow up on it. Any help with this will be greatly
appreciated.




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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo to the list

[Jim Pursley]

The system liberates listers from moderated status after a time and with 
a track record??

On 9/14/2014 2:23 PM, David Ferrin wrote:

Attention to all new members and those who might have forgotten about this
lists' posting policies. Whenever anybody subscribes the server
automatically places their email address on moderated status. This is done
for your protection in an attempt to avoid Spam making it on to the list and
for other such messages. So your message although it might be perfectly
reasonable for the list simply won't get posted until either I or my two
partners have a chance to review it and then approve the message. Since we
don't live beside our respective systems it might take some time to get it
posted, but it will get posted just wait a bit.

  


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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Dongle

[Jim Pursley]

No, George.  but arguably a donggle would have prevented an 
authorization lapse (probably) for your J14.  Freedom Scientific is very 
cautious about distributing donggles, they say and use it for their 
exasperated selves and customers when the latter have authorization 
issues for some reason.  Were you able to re-authorize your J14?  .

On 9/14/2014 2:14 PM, TheHangMan wrote:

Hi Jim,
Are you talking about, when Jaws goes into 40 minute mode for some reason?
Last week I called Freedom and was asking about the update to jaws15 and
gave them my jaws serial number and I have installed in two laptops.
Well, later on that date my other pc, which had jaws 14 since 2013 went into
40 minute mode.
I figured that was Freedom protecting the jaws ownership of the product.
I am sure that has happen to many users.
Are we on the same track, or I'm in a different one?

HTH,
Jorge


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Jim Pursley
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 10:22 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Dongle

  From a conversation with Jim Ellsworth, as I recall it.  Donggkles are
provided when JAWS users need repeat refreshes of authorizations.
the donggle essentially hardwires JAWS in current and future versions to
one's computer, avoiding the problem of authorizing with each upgrade.
It's not hard to see that the donggle, unless it has built in fraud
protection, could enable anyone to use JAWS without a license.  So how do I
know?  I had to request re-ups to my update authorizations twice in the last
six months due to computer issues. Yes, the donggle is interesting.
Anything to streamline the somewhat cumbersome authorization process is
welcome in my house.
On 9/14/2014 10:43 AM, David Ferrin wrote:

Please elaborate as to what the criteria happen to be, this is

interesting.

David Ferrin
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evolved from a simpler system that worked perfectly.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
On Behalf Of Michael Capelle
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Donggle

you fill out a form, and fs determins if you are elegable for a dongle.

- Original Message -
From: "Josh" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 7:38 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Donggle



Hello All,

   I purchased my SMA's the other day for 16 & 17 and tried to
purchase a Donggle. However, when I inquired about the Donggle I was
told that I had to fill-out a form and get approved for the purchase.
What is this form the sales person speaks of?.  He said that he would
send it to me in an e-mail, but I never received it. I wanted to
inquire here about what it is before I start trying to follow up on
it. Any help with this will be greatly appreciated.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] volume control of jaws speech?

[Jim Pursley]

Not aware of any.  JAWS volume is controlled by your system volume, I 
believe.  You could install a dual sound card system if you wanted one 
channel for JAWS and another for music, etc.

On 9/14/2014 4:13 PM, skhleirpehctco...@icloud.com wrote:

There is a key combination to speed up and slow down speech for jaws, is
there a similar key combination to turn jaws volume up and down?  Thanks.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird and double speaking with jaws

[Jim Pursley]

In a bit of frustration about JAWS verbosity in Thunderbird, I selected 
advanced verbosity in the Thunderbird JAWS settings (Ins V).  Most of 
the time I now only hear the in box line once.  I also hear the subject 
line as the email opens but if I am in a hurry I just arrow down to the 
first line and press say all.  Control A selects all for me, but does 
not always respond audibly so.  Try it.


I use most of the default JAWS settings for Thunderbird as I do other 
programs.

On 9/14/2014 6:05 PM, Sunshine wrote:

Ok, the following happens jaws 15 and latest thunderbird.
when i load a message the subject line speaks twice.
Not only that but in the body the subject line shows up when reading 
the emails.
also to either edit or select all i have to enter forms mode, or do 
insert z what ever that does.

Why is jaws placing the subject line in the body of the email?
What settings do i need to set for jaws to work correctly in thunderbird?


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On 9/14/2014 6:05 PM, Sunshine wrote:

Ok, the following happens jaws 15 and latest thunderbird.
when i load a message the subject line speaks twice.
Not only that but in the body the subject line shows up when reading 
the emails.
also to either edit or select all i have to enter forms mode, or do 
insert z what ever that does.

Why is jaws placing the subject line in the body of the email?
What settings do i need to set for jaws to work correctly in thunderbird?


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Test

[Jim Pursley]

You got it, Maria.  There have been some Thunderbird questions of late, 
right up your alley.

On 9/14/2014 6:24 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

This is a test as I'm not getting any email from this list.



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird and double speaking with jaws

[Jim Pursley]

Double or even triple speaking occurs when new messages arrive and I'm 
out of Thunderbird but still have it opened.  I've selected to be 
informed by an audio sound and speaking detail when new messages 
arrive.  I just hit the control key to silence the pesky announcement, 
but at least I can screen the new mail to see if it's something 
demanding immediate attention or not.


Try the advanced setting..just in Thunderbird if you wish.  Ins V is 
specific to the location you are in when you use it.


I don't find the subject line in the body of a message per se.  It's the 
first thing JAWS reads.  I've set my system for income and outgoing 
e-mails to be in HTML, so it takes a few seconds to load the e-mail 
message.  If I get impatient, I just begin arrowing down to the first 
message line, skipping everything else.

On 9/14/2014 6:32 PM, Sunshine wrote:
So, what you are saying is that the double speaking accurs but you can 
get it not to by using advanced settings?
What about hearing / being able to read/arrow through the subject in 
the boday when it is at the top? of the body?

On 9/14/2014 4:24 PM, Jim Pursley wrote:
In a bit of frustration about JAWS verbosity in Thunderbird, I 
selected advanced verbosity in the Thunderbird JAWS settings (Ins 
V).  Most of the time I now only hear the in box line once.  I also 
hear the subject line as the email opens but if I am in a hurry I 
just arrow down to the first line and press say all. Control A 
selects all for me, but does not always respond audibly so.  Try it.


I use most of the default JAWS settings for Thunderbird as I do other 
programs.

On 9/14/2014 6:05 PM, Sunshine wrote:

Ok, the following happens jaws 15 and latest thunderbird.
when i load a message the subject line speaks twice.
Not only that but in the body the subject line shows up when reading 
the emails.
also to either edit or select all i have to enter forms mode, or do 
insert z what ever that does.

Why is jaws placing the subject line in the body of the email?
What settings do i need to set for jaws to work correctly in 
thunderbird?



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On 9/14/2014 6:05 PM, Sunshine wrote:

Ok, the following happens jaws 15 and latest thunderbird.
when i load a message the subject line speaks twice.
Not only that but in the body the subject line shows up when reading 
the emails.
also to either edit or select all i have to enter forms mode, or do 
insert z what ever that does.

Why is jaws placing the subject line in the body of the email?
What settings do i need to set for jaws to work correctly in 
thunderbird?



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Questions About Mozilla Thunderbird

[Jim Pursley]

Thunderbird's current version is 31.1.2.  You can go to tools:options 
and select the updating pprotocol you want .  Are you emptying trash, 
too.  AltF and Y empties the trash from the email address you are in 
when you do it.  You have an archives file by default if you select it 
under tools:account options.  Archives has a sub folder for each 
calendar year.  Create new folders from the top line menu AltF, n and 
select folder.  Be sure you are in theplace where you want you folder to 
go (like in your main account).  Once the folder is created you can 
transfer folders to it.

On 9/28/2014 4:40 AM, Sachin wrote:
Hi everyone, I have some problems using Mozilla Thunderbird because it 
is crashing frequently.I think it's due to large number of messages 
stored in my Inbox, so I would like to copy my all messages in to 
another folder & clean my Inbox.But I don't know how to do it.Can 
anyone help me? I am running J15, Win7, T24


Thanks

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird error message

[Jim Pursley]

I've never had this message before.  roughly how many messages are in 
your sent box?  Do you frequently send unwanted sent emails to trash?  
And empty the trash?  Do you have more than one email address on your 
Thunderbird system?  Each will have its own series of mailboxes, so 
emptying trash will be done in the email address you've selected.  If 
you have more than one, you can set your primary address as default.



On 10/13/2014 3:36 AM, leonard morris wrote:
I am getting the following error message quite often  when I am 
sending a message using Thunderbird email. If I click on the ok button 
the message email is sent. However, I don't know why this keeps 
happening lately.


Confirm
There was an error saving the message to Sent Mail. Retry?
OK Cancel

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird and sent items

[Jim Pursley]

Get the current version by ins,control,v.

I don't keep an important folder but I suspect that you should check 
what Thunderbird considers "important".  You can always create a local 
folder called "Important" if you want to prioritize your e-mails.

On 10/20/2014 8:49 PM, leonard morris wrote:
Lately, when I send a message using Thunderbird some emails go in to 
the sent folder as it should of corse but they also seem to go in to 
the importance folder. I was using V24.5.0. I tried updating manually 
because I have automatic updates turned off but I can not tell if the 
update worked because in help and about its not allowing me to see the 
version number even with the jaws cursor.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] jaws keystrokes for...?

[Jim Pursley]

I think from a prior conversation...

Hover is equivalent to "On mouse over"  If the video graphic is labeled 
and the hover link comes as a link on JAWS then you should be able to do 
what you want to do.


Lot's of "if's".

Someone else may have a better answer than mine, but at least you have a 
starting point.

On 10/27/2014 3:10 PM, Tom wrote:

I listen to archived football games, from a webstream service, and I asked them 
if the online video could be paused or stopped (not saying I was blind), and 
they replied with this -
If you hover your mouse over the video player you'll see an option to pause and 
play the video and also mute the video if desired. anyone have any idea how to 
do this while not using a mouse?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] jaws keystrokes for...?

[Jim Pursley]

Usually denotes a clickable link.  If you do not hear anything when you 
search for links on your page then what you want to do may be inaccessible.


You might look up "hover" in the JAWS User List archives to get the full 
conversation on the issue a month or so ago.

On 10/27/2014 3:42 PM, Tom Clary wrote:

  thank you, but i have no idea what "on mouse over" means

On 10/27/14, Jim Pursley  wrote:

I think from a prior conversation...

Hover is equivalent to "On mouse over"  If the video graphic is labeled
and the hover link comes as a link on JAWS then you should be able to do
what you want to do.

Lot's of "if's".

Someone else may have a better answer than mine, but at least you have a
starting point.
On 10/27/2014 3:10 PM, Tom wrote:

I listen to archived football games, from a webstream service, and I asked
them if the online video could be paused or stopped (not saying I was
blind), and they replied with this -
If you hover your mouse over the video player you'll see an option to
pause and play the video and also mute the video if desired. anyone have
any idea how to do this while not using a mouse?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Test

[Jim Pursley]

Loud and clear.  Missed your Thunderbird takes.
On 11/12/2014 3:49 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

Please ignore.  Just testing.




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Re: [JAWS-Users] jaws 16 reading web pages HTML code

[Jim Pursley]

Great.  Include me in the sometimes get HTML code instead of natural 
language folks.

On 11/16/2014 3:19 PM, Greg Washington wrote:

Freedom Scientific is aware of this issue and is working on a fix according
to FS support.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of LeDon
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 11:14 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] jaws 16 reading web pages HTML code

Hey, what's up with this. While viewing some web pages all of a sudden jaws
will start reading the HTML code instead of the text on the page. Has anyone
experienced this? This doesn't happen all of the time.. It just jumps up
sometimes and starts reading the code when I follow a link. I have tried
reloading a page that it is reading the code to see if it will solve the
problem. No dice. Any ideas?

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[JAWS-Users] HTML code appearing in articles on web pages

[Jim Pursley]

About a month ago, Mike B. posted how he used the JAWS Settings Center 
to suppress JAWS reading of HTML code which appears on some web pages.


I experience the code in some newspaper and magazine articles - 
Washington Post and NY Review Of Books for two.


I recall one fix, but I think there were two settings Mike changed. 
Encountering the code on NYBooks.com I set JAWS to ignore inline 
frames.  Voila - no more code.  But on another site, www.valuewalk.com, 
the inline frames are used for content.  So I reversed the setting. Am I 
doomed to a life of toggling back  and forth between the Settings Center 
and my copy?


Am I missing another part of the fix?

Tks.



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[JAWS-Users] More on HTML content infiltrating JAWS reading of web pages

[Jim Pursley]

I've found the JAWS setting center adjustment of Headers and Frames to 
be less than ideal, as some of the sites I use have useful content in 
their inline frames.  My note to Freedom Scientific tech support on the 
HTML infiltration issue is pending.  I did, however, find a somewhat 
acceptable fix on my own.  My Open Book 9 will read the Washington Post 
text, for example, without the HTML content. It's of course an extra 
step for me to print to Open Book, but at least I don't have to seek the 
end of the HTML frame to continue my reading.


I wonder if the issue is related to Google ads or to Javascript.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] version of Eset Smart Security

[Jim Pursley]

I just upgraded to NOD 32 v8.  Accessibility is not 100% in either 7 or 
8 but I think it's acceptable in either if you are a tinkerer. If not, 
Vipre is surely accessible if not as highly rated as NOD 32.

On 12/9/2014 6:08 PM, Joeylamperis wrote:

I would recommend Windows 7 but wait until windows 10

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 9, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Mario Brusco  wrote:

I'm wondering what version would be more JAWS friendly, 7 or 8? I have 6 and
want to upgrade, but heard 8 is not very usable with JAWS, but I wanted to
ask for suggestions/recommendations.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] NOD32 help needed

[Jim Pursley]

I believe that if at the main menu you press the F5 key, you can 
navigate with your tab key and arrows.  Give it a try anyway.  You might 
also try googling NOD32 accessibility and see what comes up. I don't 
actually do antivirus screening any more - my NOD 32 keeps the bad stuff 
away.

On 12/9/2014 5:00 PM, Tammy Freitag wrote:

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 16 update coming next week, see the list of fixes here

[Jim Pursley]

Thanks, Eric.  I don't see the issue of HTML code instead of English 
appearing in some frames on some internet sites, namely the Washington 
Post.  Tech support says they are working on the issue. Next build?

On 12/12/2014 6:22 PM, Eric Damery wrote:

All,

We are on target for our first update to JAWS 16 next week. There have been a 
significant number of changes that made it into this first update and I wanted 
to get the list out to you all now, in order to give you a all a sneak preview 
of what is coming. Have a great weekend.

Regards,
Eric Damery

Enhancements in JAWS 16.0.1722 (December 2014)
JAWS

   *   You can now select text using a braille display in various edit and 
document windows without the text being selected having to remain visible on 
the screen. For example, if you are using a Focus display, press the LEFT SHIFT 
along with a cursor router at the location where you want the selection to 
begin, navigate through the document or Web page, and then press the LEFT SHIFT 
along with a cursor router again at the location where you want to end the 
selection. All text between these two locations is selected regardless whether 
all the text is visible on the screen or not.
   *   Added support for Quicken 2015 using new scripts provided by Intuit.
   *   This update contains new drivers from Papenmeier which support their new 
Braillex Live series of braille displays.
   *   Pressing the LEFT SHIFT or RIGHT SHIFT button on a Focus braille display 
now silences speech similar to pressing CTRL on a QWERTY keyboard.
   *   Updated the Bookshare Book Search Research It lookup source to work with 
the latest changes to the Bookshare.org Web site.
   *   Addressed a customer reported issue with the Time Search Research It 
lookup source not displaying the current time for the specified location.
   *   If JAWS contracted braille translation is set to both input and output, the 
Computer Braille start symbol, dots 4-5-6 followed by dots 3-4--6, is now shown on the 
braille display in addition to the "computer braille" message being announced 
to indicate when only Computer Braille can be entered into an edit field.
   *   When using a braille display with JAWS in Structured Mode, resolved an 
issue where it was sometimes necessary to pan left to read the information 
associated with a control, such as the name of a button or contents of an edit 
field, even if it all fit on the display.
   *   Resolved multiple issues with configuring punctuation levels for 
individual languages in a voice profile using the Voice Adjustment dialog box 
as well as changing the punctuation level through Settings Center.
   *   In response to customer feedback, improved JAWS performance with MathML 
expressions containing multiple tables.
   *   Resolved an issue where the wrong colors were being reported when 
pressing INSERT+5 in WordPad.
   *   Pressing INSERT+T in WordPad in Windows 8.1 now speaks the window title 
as expected.
   *   Addressed a customer reported issue with the Theophilos Bible program 
where JAWS was not automatically reading the selected item when navigating the 
combo box to choose a book.
   *   When using CTRL+WINDOWS Key+ALT+PAGE UP or CTRL+WINDOWS Key+ALT+PAGE DOWN to permanently 
increase or decrease the speech rate, addressed an issue where JAWS was not saying 
"faster" or "slower."
   *   A customer reported that when reading certain abbreviated words 
containing periods, such as Mr. and Mrs., JAWS was incorrectly speaking the 
period. This has been resolved.
   *   On the Windows 8 Logon screen, resolved an issue where "password" was 
being announced three times when the Password field gained focus.
   *   Addressed a customer reported issue where JAWS would not read as 
expected in the calendar that can be accessed from the System Tray by pressing 
SPACEBAR on the clock.
   *   When installing an application that uses a Nullsoft Install System 
installer, an issue was resolved where JAWS would not announce the checked or 
unchecked state of items when asked to choose the components to install. This 
occurred on 64-bit versions of Windows.
   *   In Windows 8.1, an issue was addressed where JAWS would not always speak 
the correct window title in Windows Explorer while navigating with TAB and 
SHIFT+TAB.
   *   When pressing INSERT+DOWN ARROW to begin a Say All, resolved an issue 
where there was sometimes and extra-long pause before JAWS began reading. This 
was primarily observed in applications like NotePad, WordPad, and HJPad.
   *   When using Settings Center to configure the punctuation level for 
Vocalizer Expressive and SAPI 5 voices for languages other than English, 
resolved an issue where the current voice rate and volume were not retained.
   *   Addressed a reported issue with the German release of JAWS where Alva 
braille displays were not being listed in the Synthesizer and Braille Manager.
   *   In the Voice Adjustment dialog box, when navigating in the Synthesizer 

Re: [JAWS-Users] What To Do when JAWS Won't Start Up

[Jim Pursley]

If you have JAWS 15 or higher you might have accidentally muted JAWS.  
The toggle is JAWS key, space bar, s.


You might contact Microsoft Accessibility at at 800-936-5900. Perhaps 
with their help you could enable Microsoft Navigator.  Do you have a 
back up screen reader like NVDA or SATOGO?


If all fails and you can't get JAWS enabled/functioning call FS tech 
support tomorrow.


I wish I had a more direct way.
On 12/28/2014 3:07 PM, Trish wrote:

I do have actual buttons, cause I use a bt keyboard. However, on this
keyboard is such a button, that if pressed, it disabled everything, but not
speech. it just disables the rest of the keyboard.
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From: "Annette Carr" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] What To Do when JAWS Won't Start Up


On my Toshiba Function Key plus 3 and 4 turn the volume up and down.  I
wonder if there is a Function key combination that mutes the sound.  Or do
you have actual buttons for volume and muting.

HTH

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Behalf Of Michele Thredgold
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 3:12 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] What To Do when JAWS Won't Start Up

Hi everyone. I'm using a Toshiba laptop with Windows 7 and JAWS 15. Today, I
tried turning it on and waited for the Windows sound to come and for JAWS to
be announced, but neither happened. I tried doing a hard reset but still the
same thing happened. I don't remember doing anything on the laptop before
shutting it down last time that would have caused this to happen, but wonder
if anyone can suggest some things for me to try. I can't remember how many
times I have to tab, for example, to get to # start-up options or whether I
have to up- or down arrow to get to the right one.

Thanks.

Michele

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Re: [JAWS-Users] flash player

[Jim Pursley]

Press Windows key and r (should get you to the run menu.  Then type 
run.  Flash should come up.  Press the JAWS key, CNTRL and V 
simultaneously and the version of flash player should come up. 
JAWS,CNTRL,V is a JAWS command.

On 12/31/2014 4:23 PM, anna vimini wrote:

Hi all,
my flash player updates through windows update but it does not tell me 
which version I have I use to be able to go into the add-ons in 
Thunderbird and click on the plug in tab and enter on check to see if 
your plug ins are up to date but since I upgraded to windows 8.1 the 
shock wave flash player is not listed their anymore.

does anyone on the list know how I can tell which version I have?
I am using windows 8.1 jaws 15 on a 64 bit machine
Thanks in advance

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