Re: going extreme
James Powell wrote: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-5424853.html?tag=lh Cool. Where can I get me some Extreme Programming? Cheers, Philip, whose project[1] has a deadline today [1] that's been running for at least six months and was supposed to be done in November -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: sub BEGIN {}
Paul Makepeace wrote: On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:31:12PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: Indeed, that was just my observation on a few posts' worth. Who *knows* what I might conclude about a whole day's traffic.. ..that you need to put your London.pm folder on its own spanning compressed partition. Heck yeah. Leon++, Leon++ for having taken on the daunting task of summarising each week's 2GB or so of traffic. dha, how's your "last read" mark? Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: The Open Constitution Project (was Re: Crazy Idea)
Jonathan Stowe wrote: OK. SO we persuade Mr Horne to blag us electronic copies of the entire UK law, upload it to the CVS server on SourceForge and then announce the project on slashdot Hm, checkout the US Bill of Rights, edit the First Amendment to include "free speech but no permission to send spam" and cvs update -- and spammers will have to think of a different disclaimer. This has potential. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: going extreme
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: James Powell wrote: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-5424853.html?tag=lh Cool. Where can I get me some Extreme Programming? Cheers, Philip, whose project[1] has a deadline today [1] that's been running for at least six months and was supposed to be done in November You need a project troubleshooter... Dave // Going for the flamethrower...
Re: sub BEGIN {}
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:22:38AM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: Yeah, yeah drunks, skateboarders, musicians . ...geeks, goths, jugglers, Natscis. And that's just me. ex-natscis too. :) I raise you (at least) two accomplished unicyclists... Doesn't that make a bicyclist? Paul, whose uni got nicked in fscking cambridge. "Ooh, it's got a wheel! Not the usual two, but fuck it, let's steal it anyway!" Ah, but people so often have quick release front wheels... erm. MBM -- Matthew Byng-Maddick Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 20 8980 5714 (Home) http://colondot.net/ Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 7956 613942 (Mobile) What passes for woman's intuition is often nothing more than man's transparency. -- George Nathan
Re: Crazy Idea
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, 03 Apr 2001, you wrote: Hmmm. Do the words "foot" and "mouth" mean nothing to you? maybe ... do the words 'I have my own field' mean anything to you ;) yip, but its probably not near sussex and you really don't want a 5 ft radius circle of charcoal left in it Ah but would it have charcoal. That would - after all - mean we're not burning things properly... :) Greg, you've lost your touch if you're only producing charcoal. You need to be vapourising things... erm. MBM -- Matthew Byng-Maddick Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 20 8980 5714 (Home) http://colondot.net/ Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 7956 613942 (Mobile) What passes for woman's intuition is often nothing more than man's transparency. -- George Nathan
Linux.com Online Chat
Well, it's on their website, so it must be official. http://www.linux.com/live/calendar.phtml?item_id=30 Event: "Author Talks" Series - Data Munging with Perl Tue Apr 17th, 2001 (12:00 pm US/Pacific) Location: #live on irc.openprojects.net We will have Dave Cross, the author of Data Munging with Perl talking about his recent book and answering any questions about the book itself or some of the subject matter. Tell all your friends. No heckling. Dave... The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: Crazy Idea
At 02:38 04/04/2001 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Simon Wilcox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Count me in. I have a tent and everything ! any you have the ``right'' attitude when it comes to beer and explosives I used to use theatrical maroons (explosives with electrical detonators) to blow up bits of the garden. They made very effective mines to destroy Action Men too. Admittedly I was only 10 at the time but I think that counts as the "right" attitude ;-) Simon.
Books
Wanderering around Charing Cross Road last night I picked up a couple of new Perl books, "Writing CGI Applications with Perl" by Kevin Meltzer Brent Michalski and "Instant Perl Modules" by Doug Sparling and Frank Wiles. Hopefully I'll have both of them with me on Thursday so anyone interested can have a quick browse. Don't forget that I'll also have a copy of Lincoln Stein's "Network Programming with Perl" to give to the person who asks in the nicest manner. As usual bribery will be perfectly acceptable, but I think I'll bar anyone who's had a freebie book from me in the past (not that I can remember who that is!) Cheers, Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: Linux.com Online Chat
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:20:25AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: Tell all your friends. No heckling. Does that mean we can heckle but they can't? :-) -Dom
RE: Linux.com Online Chat
From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2001 09:32 On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:20:25AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: Tell all your friends. No heckling. Does that mean we can heckle but they can't? :-) That would be "Tell all your friends, no heckling." Doesn't anyone learn grammar any more :) Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: sub BEGIN {}
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:08:09AM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: I raise you (at least) two accomplished unicyclists... Doesn't that make a bicyclist? No, trust me. Paul, whose uni got nicked in fscking cambridge. "Ooh, it's got a wheel! Not the usual two, but fuck it, let's steal it anyway!" Ah, but people so often have quick release front wheels... erm. Ah yes, the Harley Hardtail Pogo-stick. Paul
Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:37:07AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2001 09:32 On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:20:25AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: Tell all your friends. No heckling. Does that mean we can heckle but they can't? :-) That would be "Tell all your friends, no heckling." Doesn't anyone learn grammar any more :) Funnily, enough, no. I was born in 1974, I've never been taught english grammar and I know of nobody who has. It's actually quite annoying as it leads to all sorts of infuriating "I know that looks right, but I don't know why..." thoughts. If anybody could reccomend a small grammar reference, that would be incredibly useful. OTOH, every foreign language I've ever learned has started with the grammar lesson within a month. And when I want to learn a language one of the first things I do is reach for the BNF. ObPerl: So which is harder to parse? Perl or English? -Dom
Re: Crazy Idea
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Lucy McWilliam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: *shock* You used the 'o' word. its ok, we can do the organisation as long as we have the greg school of organisation in play, it will basically mean agreeing with Dave Can. when he can take his `people carrier' to sussex - the announcing the weekend in advance and refusing to change it. *grin* That sounds like an evil flan. L. "Death cannot stop true love. It can only delay it for a while."
Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
Funnily, enough, no. I was born in 1974, I've never been taught english
grammar and I know of nobody who has. It's actually quite annoying as
Me too, ('74 vintage) but I got learnt grammar. I think mostly by my
mother if truth be told. The rest I picked up from Latin :-/
If you know the difference between it's and its, you're and your,
and don't write 'alot', you're probably in the top 1%-ile :)
it leads to all sorts of infuriating "I know that looks right, but I
don't know why..." thoughts. If anybody could reccomend a small grammar
reference, that would be incredibly useful.
http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~cs5014/fall.95/courseNotes/WebPages/5.TechnicalCommunication/tc_2_Usage.html
Zillions on google.
OTOH, every foreign language I've ever learned has started with the
grammar lesson within a month.
http://www.engrish.com/
Paul
Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ObPerl: So which is harder to parse? Perl or English? Time flies like an arrow Fruit flies like a banana Parse that and stay fashionable... -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: Linux.com Online Chat
* dcross - David Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2001 09:32 On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:20:25AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: Tell all your friends. No heckling. Does that mean we can heckle but they can't? :-) That would be "Tell all your friends, no heckling." Doesn't anyone learn grammar any more :) learning grammar, not be needing to -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Question
james_h sent the following bits through the ether: In a (possibly vain) attempt to think ahead, I am looking for some info on London-based Perl jobs. I have about 3/4 months experience in Perl programming, and ideally would like to stay in the city area. Anyone know of some good places to start? Well, posting to this list is always a start, although I doubt planning far ahead will help. Come to the meeting on Thursday and ask around then. Otherwise, monster.co.uk and jobsearch.co.uk. I guess 3 months experience in Perl programming would mean working for a newmedia agency... HTH, Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Duh! It's like a totally famous quote!
RE: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
From: Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 April 2001 10:17
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
Funnily, enough, no. I was born in 1974, I've never been taught english
grammar and I know of nobody who has. It's actually quite annoying as
Me too, ('74 vintage) but I got learnt grammar. I think mostly by my
mother if truth be told. The rest I picked up from Latin :-/
Don't know if it's my slightly older vintage ('62) or the fact that I went
to a Comprehensive that still thought it was a Grammar, but I was being
taught parts of speech and verb declensions between '74 and '79.
If you know the difference between it's and its, you're and your,
and don't write 'alot', you're probably in the top 1%-ile :)
Agreed! And my least favourite - "I would of done it" instead of "I would
have done it".
Oh, and people who use an apostrophe to form plural's.
Dave...
[who makes lots of typos - but _knows_ they are typos]
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Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
On 4 Apr 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ObPerl: So which is harder to parse? Perl or English?
Time flies like an arrow
Fruit flies like a banana
Parse that and stay fashionable...
They're both Type 0, though one *could* argue that Perl was really type 1
and the grammar is defined by a really really big C program
Perl is easier to parse simply because all the irregularities are known
and documented. They're not in English. In addition to the above
example, consider
"The British Left Waffles on Argentina"
Which requires you to know about the concepts of political persuasion,
waffling as talking at length, usage of 'on' as 'about' etc, or you end
up with some careless people leaving behind breakfast items in a far off
land...
Later.
Mark.
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print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
Name = 'Mark Fowler',Title = 'Technology Developer' ,
Firm = 'Profero Ltd',Web = 'http://www.profero.com/' ,
Email = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', Phone = '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960' )
Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:17:24AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:04:45AM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
Funnily, enough, no. I was born in 1974, I've never been taught english
grammar and I know of nobody who has. It's actually quite annoying as
Me too, ('74 vintage) but I got learnt grammar. I think mostly by my
mother if truth be told. The rest I picked up from Latin :-/
Latin! Another thing I missed out on. No, they forced me to do bloody
woodwork. How useful is that? Not at all, I can tell you. I have a
girlfriend to put up shelves for me!
If you know the difference between it's and its, you're and your,
and don't write 'alot', you're probably in the top 1%-ile :)
Somewhere close. Thankfully, it's not something I have to think about
a lot^Wgreat deal.
it leads to all sorts of infuriating "I know that looks right, but I
don't know why..." thoughts. If anybody could reccomend a small grammar
reference, that would be incredibly useful.
http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~cs5014/fall.95/courseNotes/WebPages/5.TechnicalCommunication/tc_2_Usage.html
Ta.
-Dom
RE: Question
From: Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2001 10:32 I guess 3 months experience in Perl programming would mean working for a newmedia agency... ITYM "working for a newmedia agency would give you three months experience in Perl programming (before it goes bust). HTH, HAND. Dave... The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: Crazy Idea
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Simon Wilcox wrote: At 02:38 04/04/2001 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Simon Wilcox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Count me in. I have a tent and everything ! any you have the ``right'' attitude when it comes to beer and explosives I used to use theatrical maroons (explosives with electrical detonators) to blow up bits of the garden. They made very effective mines to destroy Action Men too. Admittedly I was only 10 at the time but I think that counts as the "right" attitude ;-) .. And you seemed so normal when I met you MBM -- Matthew Byng-Maddick Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 20 8980 5714 (Home) http://colondot.net/ Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 7956 613942 (Mobile) What passes for woman's intuition is often nothing more than man's transparency. -- George Nathan
Re: Linux.com Online Chat
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote:
Tue Apr 17th, 2001 (12:00 pm US/Pacific)
In english?
--
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
Name = 'Mark Fowler',Title = 'Technology Developer' ,
Firm = 'Profero Ltd',Web = 'http://www.profero.com/' ,
Email = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', Phone = '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960' )
Re: Crazy Idea
On Wed, 04 Apr 2001, you wrote: * Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, 03 Apr 2001, you wrote: Hmmm. Do the words "foot" and "mouth" mean nothing to you? maybe ... do the words 'I have my own field' mean anything to you ;) true .. it is no where vaguely near sussex .. and I dont sell beer ... or cider. yip, but its probably not near sussex and you really don't want a 5 ft radius circle of charcoal left in it it would go nicely with the 20 foot circle from the lorry load of pallets we set fire to on Nov 5th :) it has been known for the fire brigade to turn up on bonfire night as the people down in the village cant really believe anyone would light a bionfire _that_ big ;) -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!
Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:32:22AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: Dave... [who makes lots of typos - but _knows_ they are typos] There's nothing wrong with typos. It's obvious that they are tyops from the error. It just means that the person was thinking faster than typing and forgot the ^T key. -Dom
use Aegis;
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RE: Linux.com Online Chat
From: Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2001 10:46 On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote: Tue Apr 17th, 2001 (12:00 pm US/Pacific) In english? 8pm Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: Crazy Idea
On Wed, 04 Apr 2001, you wrote: At 02:38 04/04/2001 +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Simon Wilcox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Count me in. I have a tent and everything ! any you have the ``right'' attitude when it comes to beer and explosives I used to use theatrical maroons (explosives with electrical detonators) to blow up bits of the garden. They made very effective mines to destroy Action Men too. Admittedly I was only 10 at the time but I think that counts as the "right" attitude ;-) for future refernce ... 1) LeMaitre make some very big marroons for stage use. 2) it says they need to be in some form of container when they go off. 3) do NOT use those funny square dustbin/ashtray things (with the two flaps of steel as a lid) as the container (see [2] above) 4) the lids on [3] are, apparently, not attached very well. 5) Members of the public attending an event do not take kindly to being whisked off to hospital to have lumps of metal removed from their legs. I tell you this to help you avoid long chats with staff from the local HSE and insurance comapanies, neither of whom seem to have much 'sense of fun' in these matters ... -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!
Pony!
I've uploaded a new version of Pony.pm to CPAN. It fixes a bug in the scaling algorithm and also stores the original data RLE encoded, thus cutting the size of the module from 100K to 17.5K. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ This is a signature. There are many like it but this one is mine. ** I read encrypted mail first, so encrypt if your message is important ** PGP signature
Re: sub BEGIN {}
On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 10:28:24PM +0100, Dean S Wilson wrote: Stick with drunks, it'll save time. And the meetings on Thursday so you announced yourself just in time! ;) I'm not sure I'll be able to make it though - I've got things to prepare for this talk at GLLUG on Saturday. Martin
Re: Crazy Idea
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:38:44AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: any you have the ``right'' attitude when it comes to beer and explosives http://firedrake.org/roger/fireworks/ 'nuff said. R
Re: Crazy Idea
On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 11:05:17PM -0400, Alex Page wrote: But where would we find a camping ground with a fast net connection and wireless LAN connections? The bit of park that the Laurie bros' consume nodes cover? Martin
Re: sub BEGIN {}
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:06:14AM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: I'm not sure I'll be able to make it though - I've got things to prepare for this talk at GLLUG on Saturday. Which is on a subject a lot of people on the list are interested in, wireless networking and the Consume.net project so you might get to meet some of this lot anyway :) Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon
Re: Crazy Idea
At 11:12 04/04/2001 +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:38:44AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: any you have the ``right'' attitude when it comes to beer and explosives http://firedrake.org/roger/fireworks/ ooh, ahh !
RE: Crazy Idea
Subject: Re: Crazy Idea marroons We once had a nuts teacher at school who let some 12-year-old kid (whose dad was a pyrotechnics expert) bring some of these in for a war scene in a production. I don't know whether they were made by LeMaitre, but the large ones were 10 inches long, with a 3 inch diameter. 2 nights out of 3, they caught fire after exploding, and had to be stamped on by yours truly (I was wearing combat boots, fortunately). We then stole one of the largest ones, wedged it in a fence in the village/housing estate crossbreed where I grew up, wrapped a large amount of paper tape around the end, and set fire to it. The electrical fuse rigups are supposed to control the detonation somewhat. Setting fire to the end doesn't. The explosion was heard at least 1/2 a mile away, and the police attended the scene, where they were puzzled by the fence containing a large hole, and the bits of paper and other unidentifed stuff from the casing, which was littered everywhere like confetti. We wanted to steal another one and put it in a dustbin, but we only just got away with covering the first theft by judicious lying...
RE: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
From: dcross - David Cross [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] If you know the difference between it's and its, you're and your, and don't write 'alot', you're probably in the top 1%-ile :) True. Shouldn't we also need to include "should'nt" (etc.) here as well? . These are trivially simple rules to teach/learn - so why they aren't taught (or possibly aren't learnt) says something about the education system and the attitude of the pupils therein. Agreed! And my least favourite - "I would of done it" instead of "I would have done it". Also, the more subtle, but equally invidious, "When did you want to go out?" meaning "When do you want to go out?". "How many did you want?" he said. "Oh, I still want seven" the customer replied. Oh, and people who use an apostrophe to form plural's. The proverbial Grocer's Apostrophe - Tomatoe's Potato's (or, for the full experience, Tomato's Potatoe's). And anuvver fing, wot abaht thowse peehpul 'oo prefix everyfink wiv 'actual'? The actual this, the actual that. And many, many more...
Re: Crazy Idea
At 09:50 04/04/2001 +, Robin Szemeti wrote: 1) LeMaitre make some very big marroons for stage use. The very brand :-) 2) it says they need to be in some form of container when they go off. Nah. Bury them in sand for realistic WWII FX. Mwahahahaha 3) do NOT use those funny square dustbin/ashtray things (with the two flaps of steel as a lid) as the container (see [2] above) 4) the lids on [3] are, apparently, not attached very well. Indeed they are not. I remember that happening to me in a production I once worked on. 5) Members of the public attending an event do not take kindly to being whisked off to hospital to have lumps of metal removed from their legs. Luckily it only did minor damage to the backstage area. I tell you this to help you avoid long chats with staff from the local HSE and insurance comapanies, neither of whom seem to have much 'sense of fun' in these matters ... Miserable lot I always find but not as bad as the jobsworth fire brigade fire safety inspection officers I've come across.
Re: Crazy Idea
on 4/4/01 11:27 am, Simon Wilcox wrote: Luckily it only did minor damage to the backstage area. I bought a supply of various flashes and explosions, but did not have a firing box. Using the switch on a 4 way extension block (with a number of mains plugs to croc clips) is probably not the safest way to fire them. c. (who also used to cut live mains cables with secateurs, for fun) -- every day, computers are making people easier to use http://www.unorthodoxstyles.com
Re: sub BEGIN {}
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:14:28AM +0100, Dean wrote: I'm not sure I'll be able to make it though - I've got things to prepare for this talk at GLLUG on Saturday. Which is on a subject a lot of people on the list are interested in, wireless networking and the Consume.net project so you might get to meet some of this lot anyway :) Grrrew...okay, I'll come, but expect me to be sitting there with two laptops hacking somewhat manically. Far, far too many things to do this week. Martin
London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-04-02
This is the eleventh of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London
Perl Mongers mailing list. For the week starting 2001-04-02:
Don't forget the London.pm website for meetings etc. The next social
meeting is on Thursday at the Anchor on Bankside, where Dave Cross
will give away a copy of Lincoln Stein's "Network Programming with
Perl" to the person who asks in the nicest manner. The next technical
meeting is on Thursday April 19th:
http://london.pm.org/
This week was fairly random, mainly because of April Fool's Day. I
released a silly Buffy module (which, a la Bleach, converts modules
into "BUffY bUFFY BUffY bUFFY bUfFy buffy..."), with example decss
code. Schwern released DNA ("CCAA CCAA AAGT CAGT TCCT CGCT..."), mjd
released SuperPython (" ..."), and David Cantrell released
(late) Pony, a converter to "a lovely ASCII-art rendition of a pony".
O'Reilly broke news about Parrot, a merging of Perl and Python:
http://www.usis.usemb.se/Holidays/celebrate/april.html
http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=Buffy-1.00
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03743.html
http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=DNA-0.01
http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=SuperPython-0.91
http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=01/03/31/206248
Rather more importantly, Dave Cross pointed out that Damian Conway has
gone through the Perl 6 RFCs and guessed what Perl 6 might be
like. Nathan Torkington announced that Larry Wall has finally released
the first part of his Perl 6 plans, starting with the first
Apocalypse. Read these two articles if you want to know where Perl is
going:
http://www.yetanother.org/damian/Perl5+i/
http://www.perl.com/pub/2001/04/02/wall.html
London.pm hit NTK with the old pimb gag:
http://www.ntk.net/index.cgi?back=2001/now0330.txt#ANTI_NEWS
Robert Shiels asked for a good example of how to keep business and
presentation logic seperate. Dave Hodkinson replied that Template
Toolkit will help a lot. A new version of Template Toolkit came out
this week, with new features (and unfortunately some small bugs):
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03764.html
http://www.template-toolkit.org/pipermail/templates/2001-March/000786.html
Greg McCarroll, who posted far too often this week, is storming along
on the Perl Certification (see new list). He also posted
anti-Scientology rants on the list to try and get it banned, and
started a huge thread about blowing things up with "Did you all know
that i used to blow up pressurised butane cannisters as a child?". He
also suggested organising a camp out with cider, a camp fire, drinking
and talking (or maybe a cottage in Wales):
http://lists.perl.org/showlist.cgi?name=perl-cert
http://www.xenu.net/
http://firedrake.org/roger/fireworks/
http://www.lemaitrefx.com/
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03844.html
http://www.middlefarm.com/
http://www.inlink.com/~perlguy/campcamel/
Dave Hodgkinson tried to get us to join the Jedi religion and make it
an officially-recognised one:
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03817.html
http://slashdot.org/articles/01/03/05/0252249.shtml
Jo Walsh wants Dave Cross to organise a trip to see the
London.pm-sponsored camel at London zoo:
http://london.pm.org/camel.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-pm%40lists.dircon.co.uk/msg03862.html
Martin Ling delurked and couldn't believe we were all nutters and
Buffy fans. David Adler added "drunks". Jonathan Stowe added
"skateboarders, musicians". Lucy McWilliam (who has very amusing
taglines) added "geeks, goths, jugglers, Netscis. And that's just
me". Paul Makepeace added "unicyclist". Greg McCarroll added "drunk
crazy buffy fans".
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ts/book-similarities/1565922204/qid%3D980318967/+buffy+perlhl=en
And finally, Jo Walsh asked if Perl version 5.6.1 would be out
soon. It's gone gold, but don't tell anyone. In other news, the Perl
5.7 pumpkin, Jarkko Hietaniemi (which we can all pronounce correctly,
thanks to Damian), is making appearances in "Black White", a new god
game, everywhere:
http://freebs23.iserver.net/jarkko.jpg
http://www.bwgame.com/
http://archive.develooper.com/perl5-porters%40perl.org/msg24544.html
Leon
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RE: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
True. Shouldn't we also need to include "should'nt" (etc.) here as well? . These are trivially simple rules to teach/learn - so why they aren't taught (or possibly aren't learnt) says something about the education system and the attitude of the pupils therein. I don't know which education system you went through, but I was taught all this stuff at primary school. I think it's just because the pupils couln't be beggared to learn it properly (as you suggest), preferring to subscribe to the "well, you know what I mean" school of thought. I think this could be related to the (deja) suggestion that coders have to pay a lot of attention to syntax and format in their work, and tend to bring the same approach to writing english. Designers, however ... I remember last year I helped a designer chum of mine subscribe to (void), because I thought he might bring an interesting perspective to some of the discussions. I then promptly unsubbed because of "stuff". When I came back, I found out that he'd only wanted to witter, not argue and formatted his emails a bit like this. and generally pissed people off. He still writes mails like that, all dreamy and rightbrain. -- matt "'scuse me trooper, will you be needing any packets today? hey, baby, don't be pulling on my socket, okay?"
Re: Crazy Idea
At 11:33 04/04/2001 +0100, Chris Heathcote wrote: on 4/4/01 11:27 am, Simon Wilcox wrote: Luckily it only did minor damage to the backstage area. I bought a supply of various flashes and explosions, but did not have a firing box. Using the switch on a 4 way extension block (with a number of mains plugs to croc clips) is probably not the safest way to fire them. I'll bet it worked a treat though ! c. (who also used to cut live mains cables with secateurs, for fun) Which reminds me of the time someone shorted out a mains socket with a paper clip "to see what happened". Scared the hell out of the teacher :-) Ahh, the old days. Nostalgia isn't what it used to be..
Re: sub BEGIN {}
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:41:46AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: * David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:12:57PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: Oh, so this list was a bunch of nutters and Buffy fans the whole time and no-one told me? And drunks! Don't forget drunks! drunk crazy buffy fans riding on ponies? -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ This is a signature. There are many like it but this one is mine. ** I read encrypted mail first, so encrypt if your message is important **
Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:39:55AM +0100, Matthew Jones wrote: I don't know which education system you went through, but I was taught all this stuff at primary school. I think it's just because the pupils couln't be beggared to learn it properly (as you suggest), preferring to subscribe to the "well, you know what I mean" school of thought. I was at school from up to 1995 and grammer, hand writing and similar were only lightly touched upon. IT was another subject that we never actually did (other than read about spreadsheets leading to my adult hatred of Excel) and as far as I'm aware none of my friends of the same age did any real grammer in school so you can expect a fair size chunk of 20-22 year olds to have no real grasp of what constitutes good grammar. Although i have to say that I'm one of the worse for this, i drop into slang and similar almost all the time outside of work, not to mention that my emails to friends are written as I'd say them. Is it just me or do we seem to thread drift a lot recently... I remember last year I helped a designer chum of mine subscribe to (void), Did he have lots of wasted disk space you felt the need to use? ;) Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon
Re: sub BEGIN {}
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:06:14AM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 10:28:24PM +0100, Dean S Wilson wrote: Stick with drunks, it'll save time. And the meetings on Thursday so you announced yourself just in time! ;) I'm not sure I'll be able to make it though - I've got things to prepare for this talk at GLLUG on Saturday. Details? Location? URL? Neil. (who proabably ought to stay home this weekend, but. )
Re: sub BEGIN {}
Neil Ford sent the following bits through the ether: Details? Location? URL? http://gllug.linux.co.uk/ Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... "Suicide Hotline... please hold"
Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
Dean sent the following bits through the ether:
Is it just me or do we seem to thread drift a lot recently...
Yes - I've noticed this recently ;-)
ObTopic: Yup, did Perl grammar, and French and German and seven years
of Latin and I think I'm really good at it too and don't talk to me
about Greek I failed that exam and I think that knowing all these
grammars helps me understand the parser for Perl and the parser for
Ruby and I think the lexer is know the nastiest bit and in human
languages that must be quite hard too surely and Angel was really good
last night ("She") and I forgot to mention thespians in the summary
(it acts out plays on irc: http://www.funkplanet.com/thespians/) and
yesterday I presented both The Importance of Being Earnest (Oscar
Wilde) and that was amazing and the scottish play and...
Leon
ps I say old chap, one does not converse like the above normally,
you must understand. I am attempting to inject some humour
into the situation.
--
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yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/
... That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all
Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: True. Shouldn't we also need to include "should'nt" (etc.) here as well? . These are trivially simple rules to teach/learn - so why they aren't taught (or possibly aren't learnt) says something about the education system and the attitude of the pupils therein. I don't know which education system you went through, but I was taught all this stuff at primary school. I think it's just because the pupils couln't be beggared to learn it properly (as you suggest), preferring to subscribe to the "well, you know what I mean" school of thought. soapboax Wrong. There was a concerted effort by the loony left to destroy decent education in favour of whatever trendy piffle that was the order of the day. I had to unlearn the reading I knew before I went to school in favour of some stupid phonetic system (anyone remember ITA?) in 1970, finally culminating in a personal battle with Shirley Williams in 1975 to get me into one of the last remaining decent schools in Hemel. Eventually I was packed off to a prep school instead of a hellhole comprehensive and actually being stretched (I had to catch up two years _in_ two years). Grrr. I'm as liberal as anyone here as far as creativity, expression, society and the rest go, but there are certain fundamentals that you need before you can go out and break the rules. Like having the musical basics before you go out and become a punk or a heavy metal god. Number one daughter is getting educated privately because it suits her and number one son isn't, because that suits him. But they will both be fundamentally literate and numerate. Isn't it esr who says that good Unix folks are surprisingly literate, well read, artisitcally inclined folks? /soapbox Sorry, I'll stop now. It's a nerve. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Silly postings
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:22:38AM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: ...geeks, goths, jugglers, Natscis. And that's just me. ex-natscis too. :) Are you? I'm actually doing productive things in the lab, so this shall be my last pointless posting of the day. Paul, whose uni got nicked in fscking cambridge. "Ooh, it's got a wheel! Not the usual two, but fuck it, let's steal it anyway!" I apologise on behalf of my city :-( Yes, it's all mine! Muhahahah. L. "Sex is kinda like pizza. When it's bad, it's still pretty good."
Re: Crazy Idea
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:53:09AM +0100, Simon Wilcox wrote: At 11:33 04/04/2001 +0100, Chris Heathcote wrote: on 4/4/01 11:27 am, Simon Wilcox wrote: c. (who also used to cut live mains cables with secateurs, for fun) Which reminds me of the time someone shorted out a mains socket with a paper clip "to see what happened". Scared the hell out of the teacher :-) Ahh, the old days. Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.. Or the case of taking the wire from inside a scalextric hand controller, attaching on end to a sucker, affixing that to one side of a door frame, stretching across to make a trip wire and being short of something to anchor it with the other side, wrapping the remaining wire around the pins of a mains plug and pluging it in! Apparantly I was discovered on the other side of the room imbeded in a wardrobe. :-) Neil. (who knows better now)
Re: sub BEGIN {}
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:02:14PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote: I'm not sure I'll be able to make it though - I've got things to prepare for this talk at GLLUG on Saturday. Details? Location? URL? -Paste The next GLLUG meeting will be on Saturday 7th April 2001, between 2 and 6pm. New venue this time, we will be at the CFC Preview Theatre, 19-23 Wells St., London W1, not too far from the Plaza Centre in Oxford Street. For a handy map, take a look at http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?P2M?P=W1P3FPZ=1 For your edutainment, we hope to have the following talks on the day. Martin Ling - "Wireless networking with Linux and the Consume.net project" Martin will provide an overview of wireless networking support in Linux, and explain how one can use low cost hardware to join in a spreading, decentralized and independent network being established through the consume.net project. If you already have wireless hardware, feel free to bring it along and join in the fun. John Hearns - "Computers Go to the Movies". It is a general introduction to the work of our host FrameStore, a post production movie house in Soho. He'll cover the equipment, computing and networking used for special effects and 3D animation work. Richard Moore (IBM) - "Dynamic Probes" Richard will tell us how to use IBM's DProbes with Opersys' Linux Trace Toolkit to provide a universal (dynamic) tracing capability for Linux. It is universal because it provides a common tracing mechanism for all executables whether in user or kernel space. It is dynamic because tracepoints are defined and applied dynamically to object modules as probepoints using DProbes - no source code modification is required. See http://oss.software.ibm.com/developer/opensource/linux/projects/dprob es/ for a taster of things to come. ---Stop-- Now if only someone would do a community news letter to cover this stuff... I've seen Johns talk at SAGE-WISE and its a good one. Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon
RE: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
I was at school from up to 1995 and grammer, hand writing and similar were only lightly touched upon. IT was another subject that we never actually did (other than read about spreadsheets leading to my adult hatred of Excel) and as far as I'm aware none of my friends of the same age did any real grammer in school so you can expect a fair size chunk of 20-22 year olds to have no real grasp of what constitutes good grammar. Right, well there's the difference then. I'm 29 this year and I was schooled during the seventies. Was anyone else of a similar age *not* taught proper punctuation and grammar at school? Back in those days, teachers actually taught you, as opposed to writing long essays to justify performance-related bonuses, or running around like headless chickens to prepare for OFSTED visits. They went on strike quite a lot back then, too. Anyway, back to the point. Many of my peers and friends who were taught exactly the same punctuation stuff as me just ignored it and used things like "could'nt" and "samwich's" and so on. I reckon it's less to do with it being taight in schools and more to do with how much someone reads. If you read a lot, you see the correct forms a lot and it sinks in. Similarly with grammar, I reckon, although I have absolutely zero evidence to back that up. -- matt "'scuse me trooper, will you be needing any packets today? hey, baby, don't be pulling on my socket, okay?"
Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:31:41AM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
Perl is easier to parse simply because all the irregularities are known
and documented. They're not in English. In addition to the above
^^
Uhm, where?
"The British Left Waffles on Argentina"
Perl beginners look away now. You're not going to enjoy this. :)
sub four { $_[0]x4 }; print four things;
open four, "/dev/null"; print four things;
package four; use subs qw(print); sub print{die@_}; print four things;
# (Why doesn't that one work properly?)
(And that's even without playing with sub things{})
Perl requires a similar amount of knowledge to parse, although the
knowledge is rather more domain specific - what subs are defined, what globs
are available, what packages are defined, what filehandles are open, and so
on.
--
Sauvin Remember: amateurs built the Ark; _professionals_ built the
Titantic.
Re: sub BEGIN {}
On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:19:32PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: Paul, whose uni got nicked in fscking cambridge. "*think* *think* Don't they have enough universities of their own?" -- Britain has football hooligans, Germany has neo-Nazis, and France has farmers. -The Times
RE: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
soapboax Wrong. There was a concerted effort by the loony left to destroy decent education in favour of whatever trendy piffle that was the order of the day. Oy! That's my family (lefty teachers) you're talking about! I went through the state comprehensive system and was never touched by these so-called "trendy teaching methods". And my Dad was one of these apparently "loony left teachers". I had to unlearn the reading I knew before I went to school in favour of some stupid phonetic system (anyone remember ITA?) Nope, never heard of it. I learned to read proper english, as did everyone else I know who was schooled at that time. I have never exerienced these bizarre approaches you mention. I'm as liberal as anyone here as far as creativity, expression, society and the rest go, but there are certain fundamentals that you need before you can go out and break the rules. And that's exactly the education I got, from the state system, during the seventies, with loony teachers. It appears we had *radically* different experiences of the education system, Dave. I guess YMV. -- matt
Re: sub BEGIN {}
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:14:48AM +0100, Dean wrote: I'm not sure I'll be able to make it though - I've got things to prepare for this talk at GLLUG on Saturday. While i'm doing this i might as well plug the Lonix tonight (www.lonix.org.uk) Lonix is normally pub, pub, food, pub maybe club. It covers as much Linux as the London PM social nights do Perl ;) Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon
RE: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
From: Matthew Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2001 12:24 I had to unlearn the reading I knew before I went to school in favour of some stupid phonetic system (anyone remember ITA?) Nope, never heard of it. I learned to read proper english, as did everyone else I know who was schooled at that time. I have never exerienced these bizarre approaches you mention. I've heard of it. I've seen it and I can even read it[1]. When I was at secondary school (75 - 79) ITA was used to teach reading to a remedial class. As (supposedly) one of the brighter pupils in my year, I got to spend a couple of hours a week helping out in this class, which is where I picked up ITA. Dave... [1] Or could. Might be a bit rusty now. -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: Crazy Idea
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:12:56PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote: Which reminds me of the time someone shorted out a mains socket with a paper clip "to see what happened". Or the case of taking the wire from inside a scalextric hand controller, attaching on end to a sucker, affixing that to one side of a door frame, stretching across to make a trip wire and being short of something to anchor it with the other side, wrapping the remaining wire around the pins of a mains plug and pluging it in! Apparantly I was discovered on the other side of the room imbeded in a wardrobe. :-) I received a 240V shock whilst still in the womb. Various people have made the obvious comic-book connections about my affinity for all things electronic Martin
Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:00:08AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: I'm as liberal as anyone here as far as creativity, expression, society and the rest go, but there are certain fundamentals that you need before you can go out and break the rules. Like having the musical basics before you go out and become a punk or a heavy metal god. I agree with you about education, but all the best punk bands started off without the first idea how to play any of their instruments :-) .robin. -- Beware. The paranoids are watching you.
Re: Silly postings
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Lucy McWilliam wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:22:38AM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: ...geeks, goths, jugglers, Natscis. And that's just me. ex-natscis too. :) Are you? I'm actually doing productive things in the lab, so this shall be my last pointless posting of the day. Sure. Right. :) Yeah. I attempted to be a physicist, and failed, (partly through spending time perl programming. :). Not impressive really. Paul, whose uni got nicked in fscking cambridge. "Ooh, it's got a wheel! Not the usual two, but fuck it, let's steal it anyway!" I apologise on behalf of my city :-( Yes, it's all mine! Muhahahah. Hmmm... You can have it. :) "Sex is kinda like pizza. When it's bad, it's still pretty good." !! MBM -- Matthew Byng-Maddick Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 20 8980 5714 (Home) http://colondot.net/ Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 7956 613942 (Mobile) What passes for woman's intuition is often nothing more than man's transparency. -- George Nathan
Re: sub BEGIN {}
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Dean wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:14:48AM +0100, Dean wrote: Lonix is normally pub, pub, food, pub maybe club. It covers as much Linux as the London PM social nights do Perl ;) Last time I went to Lonix, it was full of w4r3z d00dz. :( The kind of people who only used linux because they didn't have to pay for it. Tushar was an exception. MBM -- Matthew Byng-Maddick Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 20 8980 5714 (Home) http://colondot.net/ Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 7956 613942 (Mobile) What passes for woman's intuition is often nothing more than man's transparency. -- George Nathan
Re: Crazy Idea
At 12:39 04/04/2001 +0100, Martin Ling wrote: I received a 240V shock whilst still in the womb. Various people have made the obvious comic-book connections about my affinity for all things electronic I once got an electric shock off a stage lantern whilst 18ft up a ladder. The only reason I'm still here is that the ladder jammed against the ceiling as I toppled backwards. Otherwise it would have been a messy end on the rows of seats below me. Some say that would have been a Good Thing (tm)
Re: sub BEGIN {}
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 12:52:32PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Dean wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 11:14:48AM +0100, Dean wrote: Lonix is normally pub, pub, food, pub maybe club. It covers as much Linux as the London PM social nights do Perl ;) Last time I went to Lonix, it was full of w4r3z d00dz. :( The kind of people who only used linux because they didn't have to pay for it. When was that? We periodically get skiddies from L2600, who I don't think even use it, let alone have reasons other than that it's m4d l33t. Martin
Re: sub BEGIN {}
Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether: Dean I think your clock is out by an hour which really screws up my threading/archiving/tiny little mind - any chance you could fix it. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en-gb] (WinNT; U) Simon, I think your mail reader has broken threading: http://www.jwz.org/doc/threading.html Any chance you could use a decent one? I suggest mutt. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... All programmers are optimists
Re: sub BEGIN {}
Simon Wistow sent the following bits through the ether: I'm not threading. I order my mail by date. Ptt. No wonder you're getting confused! :-P Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV
Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
Simon Cozens wrpte_
package four; use subs qw(print); sub print{die@_}; print four things;
# (Why doesn't that one work properly?)
Answer one: see toke.c (I guess)
Answer two: because print is special. Even without a package, you can't call
a subroutine of yours that you've named print just with "print" ("print"
works, however; see one of Abigail's sigs, which also plays with
__PACKAGE__).
I think.
Cheers,
Philip
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All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: Silly postings
* Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Don't read this if you are easily offended, or hate crap jokes, or are in fact any sort of decent human being. Otherwise scroll on "Sex is kinda like pizza. When it's bad, it's still pretty good." hmmm, Sex is like pizza, you always want more on top. Sex is like pizza, sometimes you leave a crust. Sex is like pizza, sometimes you end up with stick strings of stuff hanging from your mouth. and ... Sex is like pizza, melted cheese is an essential part. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
RE: Silly postings
Ok so that is possibly the most unfunny thing i have ever seen. No offense. = Original Message From Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] = * Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Don't read this if you are easily offended, or hate crap jokes, or are in fact any sort of decent human being. Otherwise scroll on "Sex is kinda like pizza. When it's bad, it's still pretty good." hmmm, Sex is like pizza, you always want more on top. Sex is like pizza, sometimes you leave a crust. Sex is like pizza, sometimes you end up with stick strings of stuff hanging from your mouth. and ... Sex is like pizza, melted cheese is an essential part. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net -- insert [sig] here -- --- The Totalise Email system, probably the most flexible email system in the world. To register for an account goto http://www.totalise.net
RE: Silly postings
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, james_h wrote: Ok so that is possibly the most unfunny thing i have ever seen. No offense. If that's what you think was it necessary to quote the entire message? MBM (hasn't done this flame on london.pm yet... :) -- Matthew Byng-Maddick Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 20 8980 5714 (Home) http://colondot.net/ Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 7956 613942 (Mobile) What passes for woman's intuition is often nothing more than man's transparency. -- George Nathan
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Re: Silly postings
* Matthew Byng-Maddick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, james_h wrote: Ok so that is possibly the most unfunny thing i have ever seen. No offense Well thats why the disclaimer was on it, some poeple like that form of cheap joke, some don't. I just like having a go at all forms of humour. ho hum. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
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Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
- Original Message - From: "Matthew Jones" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oy! That's my family (lefty teachers) you're talking about! I went through the state comprehensive system and was never touched by these so-called "trendy teaching methods". And my Dad was one of these apparently "loony left teachers". I learnt to read using ITA and still have the book 'three littl funny wunz'. It was intended to give you a kick start into reading by making it possible to read phonetically so that you could read more interesting stories before you got the hang of all the english exceptions. I loved it, and enjoyed reading. I do not know if it worked better than the regular method because I didn't have a 'control me' doing the other method. =) I guess it was sort of wysiwyg english =)).
RE: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
Title: RE: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat) Dave said: soapboax Wrong. There was a concerted effort by the loony left to destroy decent education in favour of whatever trendy piffle that was the order of the day. I had to unlearn the reading I knew before I went to school in favour of some stupid phonetic system (anyone remember ITA?) in 1970, finally culminating in a personal battle with Shirley Williams in 1975 to get me into one of the last remaining decent schools in Hemel. Eventually I was packed off to a prep school instead of a hellhole comprehensive and actually being stretched (I had to catch up two years _in_ two years). As a child of '72 I too suffered from the phonetic system. Sadly I moved schools in that time and could already read just fine. I still think about the 'ae' joined thingy and shudder. On the other hand not using decent grammar because it wasn't taught seems a bit lazy. Admittedly I'm not the best at written words in emails but I figure most intelligent people will rise above their background as the situation dictates. An example (although slightly irrelevant to most of you it is still appropriate) I come from Luton. Most people who live there say Lu'on (or something). Many people have asked me over the years where I come from and don't believe me when I answer. This is a case of using 'Standard English' instead of the quasi-cockney patois the Lutonians espouse! Of course - I don't talk like some toff! Regards, Darren Clarke Perl Padawan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use Perl for knowledge and defence
Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Simon Cozens wrote:
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:31:41AM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
Perl is easier to parse simply because all the irregularities are known
and documented. They're not in English. In addition to the above
^^
Uhm, where?
The perl source code *is* the documentation. There is no direct equivalent
for the English language, as it is really whatever we think is the case at
the time - or, more accurately, what the largest number of the intended
audience would understand it to mean.
Perl requires a similar amount of knowledge to parse, although the
knowledge is rather more domain specific - what subs are defined, what globs
are available, what packages are defined, what filehandles are open, and so
on.
Ah, but with perl code there is a definite 'correct' parsing (whatever
/usr/bin/perl does[1]) but with the English language that isn't true.
Later.
Mark.
(Waving hands around in the air as he speaks)
[1] This is that there is only one 'correct' parsing. This may not be
what you thought you meant, or the coders who coded perl itself thought
you would have meant...but it is what you said.
--
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
Name = 'Mark Fowler',Title = 'Technology Developer' ,
Firm = 'Profero Ltd',Web = 'http://www.profero.com/' ,
Email = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', Phone = '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960' )
RE: Silly postings
hmm i'm still here and it wasn't a flame :P I was just trying to get in on the conversation... -Original Message- From: dean.wilson3 Sent: 04 April 2001 14:08 To: london-pm Cc: dean.wilson3 Subject: Re: Silly postings On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 01:59:05PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: Ok so that is possibly the most unfunny thing i have ever seen. No offense. If that's what you think was it necessary to quote the entire message? MBM (hasn't done this flame on london.pm yet... :) So was it you or Greg that drove him to jump ship? ;) I think it was discovering people that actually owned unicycles that did it... Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon Visit our website at http://www.ubswarburg.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Visit our website at http://www.ubswarburg.com This looks familiar. Did Tom Christiansen provide Perl training for your last summer? This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments. Unfortunately, while the disclaimer came out fine, my mailer (MS Outlook) displayed the real "body" (with your message) as an attachment. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re:
ok, was i the only one who had to ueedecode this and get ...
thanks philip. I realised having my webmail account as a recipient for
the mailing lists was proving painful. Corporate outlook seems much
better
this is what i'm talking about btw ...
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Title: Test Sorry all - this is a test... :¬P Bloomin' Outlook HTML ... *grumble* Darren Newbie Loser
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* Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Unfortunately, while the disclaimer came out fine, my mailer (MS Outlook) displayed the real "body" (with your message) as an attachment. mutt displayed it as a uuencoded block of well uuencoding -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re:
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 03:24:03PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Unfortunately, while the disclaimer came out fine, my mailer (MS Outlook) displayed the real "body" (with your message) as an attachment. That would be because it was sent uuencoded. I'm sure there's a reason for this, but I don't care. Roger
Re:
Greg McCarroll wrote: ok, was i the only one who had to ueedecode this No; Outlook did it for me and presented the message as an attachment. (I though something like this must be happening since the "Internet Headers" box didn't show any MIME headers typical of MIME attachments -- so it was probably uuencoded.) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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I beg to differ, if this is the result. Please, please find an "email"
client. Not a "Calendar" client. Not a "Virus Retransmission" client.
Not a "Personal Information Manager". An email client. It's not very
difficult, even if Microsoft have totally screwed up with Outlook.
If you're desparate to stay with Microsoft products to use with your
email, I suggest Outlook Express. It's a lot leaner and makes a
(slightly) better job of sending readable email.
-Dom
Re:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Philip Newton wrote: Unfortunately, while the disclaimer came out fine, my mailer (MS Outlook) displayed the real "body" (with your message) as an attachment. It started begin 777 RE: so it was uuencoded. And therefore, for once, LookOut was correct. MBM -- Matthew Byng-Maddick Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 20 8980 5714 (Home) http://colondot.net/ Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 7956 613942 (Mobile) What passes for woman's intuition is often nothing more than man's transparency. -- George Nathan
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RE:
Title: RE: It appears I have been remiss with the HTML/text thing - I can only blame Outlook for this since I have set it to text but didn't check the 'format switch' on each mail. Sincere apologies to all :¬P Darren
Re: Test
Clarke, Darren wrote: Bloomin' Outlook HTML ... *grumble* I agree. Your mail server lost again. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Unfortunately, while the disclaimer came out fine, my mailer (MS Outlook) displayed the real "body" (with your message) as an attachment. mutt displayed it as a uuencoded block of well uuencoding pine too... Andy
Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
Perl is easier to parse simply because all the irregularities are known and documented. They're not in English. In addition to the above Uhm, where? The perl source code *is* the documentation. There is no direct equivalent for the English language, as it is really whatever we think is the case at the time - or, more accurately, what the largest number of the intended audience would understand it to mean. English has a descriptive grammar - usage determines form, as opposed to proscriptive grammars, where form dictates usage. Fr'example, there's no English equivalent to the Acadamie Francais (sp?), which oversees the purity of the French vocabulary... I doubt you could put English into BNF, and even if you could, by the time you'd finished, the translation would be out of date. Proscriptive grammars are necessary for programming languages, since the interpreter/compiler ain't gonna be able to DWYM if it can't pull a meaning out of your code. But for *living*, human languages, descriptive grammars are A Good Thing. And, FWIW, I (born '74) wasn't taught English grammar. French and German, yes; English, no. We were taught handwriting too, but I got to skip that and play with the zx81s on account of being 'gifted'... j --- jon eyre ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (http://simpson.dyndns.org/~jon/) sex is like pizza. some freak will always want to ruin it with a pineapple
Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:10:40PM +0100, Clarke, Darren wrote: On the other hand not using decent grammar because it wasn't taught seems a bit lazy. Admittedly I'm not the best at written words in emails but I figure most intelligent people will rise above their background as the situation dictates. I'm lucky that i get to spend so much time in environments where a strict adherence to grammar is not the norm, my own short comings with it don't show quiet so clearly :) don't believe me when I answer. This is a case of using 'Standard English' instead of the quasi-cockney patois the Lutonians espouse! Nothing wrong with using a bit of native tongue in a conversation. When I'm talking with people who know me and I'm comfortable with i often end up using a lot of slang and similar (Also my accent strengthens). I probably shouldn't but my accent and vocabulary are part of what makes me who i am so i see no reason to worry about them. With people who don't know me however i do keep a conscious check on my accent and wording so as to not offend or be incomprehensible. (I often fail at both ;)) Although i try to stay accentless in work :) Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon
Re: Test
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:25:50PM +0100, Clarke, Darren wrote: Sorry all - this is a test... :P Bloomin' Outlook HTML ... *grumble* Darren Newbie Loser You don't get away from a Newbie without learning though. Anyway, tip-o-the-day for mutt users. How to get HTML viewed easily and automatically. I'm not 100% sure of the security aspects, but it's still better than Lookout. ;-) [ ~/.mailcap ]-- text/html; /usr/bin/lynx %s; nametemplate=%s.html text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -dump %s; nametemplate=%s.html; copiousoutput [ ~/.muttrc ]--- set mailcap_path=~/.mailcap auto_view text/html -Dom
Re:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Unfortunately, while the disclaimer came out fine, my mailer (MS Outlook) displayed the real "body" (with your message) as an attachment. mutt displayed it as a uuencoded block of well uuencoding ditto for pine j --- jon eyre ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (http://simpson.dyndns.org/~jon/) the slack which can be described is not the true slack
Test from uuencode boy
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Re: Test
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:25:50PM +0100, Clarke, Darren wrote: Sorry all - this is a test... :P Bloomin' Outlook HTML ... *grumble* It's coming through as multipart/alternative, which is fine IMO. People with broken mail clients may disagree :-) .robin. -- select replace(a, CHR(88), replace(a,,'')) from ( select 'select replace(a, CHR(88), replace(a,,)) from ( select ''X'' a from dual)' a from dual)
Re: Test from uuencode boy
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: test. can you read this one, or is it attached? This is in Microsoft Outlook Rich Text. The previous mails have been sent in Plain Text. thats perfect as far as i'm concerned (mutt user) -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: Books
At 09:26 AM 4.4.2001 +0100, Dave Cross wrote: Wanderering around Charing Cross Road last night I picked up a couple of new Perl books, "Writing CGI Applications with Perl" by Kevin Meltzer Brent Michalski and "Instant Perl Modules" by Doug Sparling and Frank Wiles. Heh, check out _Perl How to Program_ by P. J. Deitel et al.: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0130284181/qid=986392068/sr=1-13/ref=sc_b_14/103-2989877-5270228 The cover blurb is great: "Perl How To Program Introducing CGI and Python" nack. According to Amazon: Customers who bought titles by P. J. Deitel also bought titles by these authors: Bruce Eckel David Cross Kevin Meltzer Martin Brown Ed Peschko Hmm. Speaking of author David Cross, I'm told that SoftPro books (mostly a tech stuff store) in Burlington.ma.us has sold 17 copies of your book over February and March, as compared to roughly 3x as many copies of the Camel book. Not bad, considering how many Perl books are out there by now. Just so's you know. -- Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Test
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:42:31PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:25:50PM +0100, Clarke, Darren wrote: Sorry all - this is a test... :P Bloomin' Outlook HTML ... *grumble* It's coming through as multipart/alternative, which is fine IMO. People with broken mail clients may disagree :-) I have a non-broken client which copes with multipart/alternative and I still disagree. For a text message the text part carries all the information, and the HTML hanger on serves no purpose except to consume my disk space at 4 times the rate. Nicholas Clark -- ENOJOB: http://plum.flirble.org/~nick/CV.html
Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:00:08AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: I'm as liberal as anyone here as far as creativity, expression, society and the rest go, but there are certain fundamentals that you need before you can go out and break the rules. Like having the musical basics before you go out and become a punk or a heavy metal god. I agree with you about education, but all the best punk bands started off without the first idea how to play any of their instruments :-) Stranglers? The Pistols? All had their fair share of musicians...and boy, didn't the rest learn fast or die... -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
"Clarke, Darren" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An example (although slightly irrelevant to most of you it is still appropriate) I come from Luton. Most people who live there say "Lu'on" (or something). Many people have asked me over the years where I come from and don't believe me when I answer. This is a case of using 'Standard English' instead of the quasi-cockney patois the Lutonians espouse! Innit! That good old Estuary English. Fu'n 'ell. And of course, the best English speakers are probably the Scots and the Welsh. Discuss! -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
