Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf paint

[clay via Mercedes]

I am dicking around with the dang paint on Polei.  

Rattle can John Deere Rustoleum has been given the 1500 then 2000 grit.  The 
doors are fresher paint then on the hood and trunk.  I wonder if I need to use 
rubbing compound to get an even finish as a base.  The spray gave tiger 
striping instead of a smooth coat.  Today I used Griot’s #1 polishing compound, 
but it was not able to give me a consistent base.  It did begin to give a bit 
of polish and shine.  On the El Cheapo Lowes rattle white the results were more 
promising.  Still tiger stripes, but the shine was beginning to show.  

I did the first coat of paint with an 800 grit.  Second was 1000, third (white) 
was 1500.   Greens were 800 initial wet sand, then 1500.  Final for both colors 
was 2000.  Three coats of green, the Good Lord only knows how many of the El 
Cheapo rattle whites I sprayed.  I think I had a dozen cans of finish el 
cheapo.  I used three rustoleum white base and primer in a can over the Rust 
Fix stuff and the grey primers.

Should I use a rubbing compound to give a consistent base for both colors?  I 
am not happy with the tiger striping.  A more professional spray application 
would have had a wider pattern that decreased the opportunity for striping 



clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








> On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:18 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yesterday I went to our local Federal Auto Parts (sadly my local Car Quest 
> got bought by Advance which then took a profitable location and ran it out of 
> business) and got some 1000 and 1200 grit sandpaper. I went all over the 
> fender with the 1000 and then the 1200, then again with the 2000 I had 
> before. Got it all smooth, then hit it with polishing compound and finally 
> wax.
> It looks Okay.
> Actually it pretty well matches the rest of the car. I think with a buffer I 
> could probably polish it to be a 6 or 7 but not better. The clear coat I got 
> from Paintscratch.com isn't that great, it came out really thin so I had to 
> really load it on to keep it from orange peeling, I was unimpressed.
> As with most of my paint jobs one spot seems to have had light paint coverage 
> (on an edge naturally) that I didn't notice and burned through just slightly 
> when I color sanded. It appears to be well covered with clear so I'm not 
> worried about it. Another spot has a huge run but its in a corner and 
> shouldn't be too noticeable, I can't tell if thats in the color or the clear.
> In the end I should strip and repaint but I'm so tired of this I'm gonna just 
> slap it on, it'll be better than the garbage thats there now. I'll try to do 
> better on the other side but I need a better paint supplier.
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

[clay via Mercedes]

And this is why I am torn.  The SDL will not amass miles enough to gain an 
advantage using M1 in the manner that Gump did.  I expect to hit under 1k  per 
annum in the car, and it took butt loads of miles to get goodness in my other 
cars.  IT has been four years of driving the R107 for it to be running nicely 
with M1.  Ten thousand miles on that old car.  It would be a decade in the SDL 
to get enough time running M1 in the OM603 to get it cleaned up.

Classic plates limit my miles on the SDL.  I would need to drive to Colorado 
and back over a weekend to rack up enough miles, then head down to Disneyland 
or LegoLand a few times.  Maybe if I drove to Disneyworld and tossed in a visit 
with Poos/MacDan to rig up my MacPro 1,1 to run el Crapitan on my mega, 
extended road trip of Parade, mechanic visits would I be able to build up the 
mileage and oil changes

clay


> On Sep 20, 2016, at 5:53 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Agreed, but your observations are correct.
> 
> Cars I have changed to synthetic, specifically Mobil 1, seem to run smoother 
> and quieter after 2-3 oil changes.
> 
> The former S500 coupe was a good example of this. It had a mild lifter tick 
> at idle that was not due to leaking oiler tubes, as it often is in the M119 
> engine.  After a couple of changes with M1 the lifter tick disappeared, never 
> to be heard again.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 2:33 AM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> I am torn on tossing synth into the SDL.  When I used M1 in Gump, the first 
>> three changes did not seem to have much impact.  The fourth change (15k 
>> miles) everything was running much smoother and quieter.  Lots of the kruft 
>> that had taken up residence in the engine seemed to have been washed away by 
>> the M1.  Maybe I see if I get the same impact with this car.  But I am only 
>> going to be putting 1k on the clock annually.  Would be a huge waste of cash 
>> using M1 for that short a driving period.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 1:05 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would add to this that the 3K oil change is more important to a diesel 
>>> than a gas engine. When I changed my diesels at 3K, I felt good about 
>>> getting all the dirt and soot out of the engine. So, while it might be 
>>> marketing, it was worth it to me. And the engines are still going strong 
>>> after many years and many miles. 
>>> Best Wishes, 
>>> Roger 
>>> Roger Hale 
>>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
>>> Monroe, Ga. 
>>> 770-267-0850 
>>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] The Most Dangerous Job in the World

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I wonder if some of the larger planes ever landed on a carrier or just took off,
like the Doolittle raid on Japan. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 1972 Town and Country wagon on BAT

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

One minor quibble with the PPI:
The A/C is as cold as R12 used to get back in the day...

To the best of my recollection, the A/C on an old big block wagon could freeze
the front seat passengers. The distribution system might not have been up to
modern standards, but what came out of the vents was under 40 degrees.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Who needs a 91 W126?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 20:10:15 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Nice, if the funky looking finish is just from moisture on the paint.
> 
> Dan

Well, the windows seem to have condensation on them.


Craig


> > On Sep 21, 2016, at 7:51 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > SWB 300SE
> > http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5782560361.html

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Re: [MBZ] The Most Dangerous Job in the World

[WILTON via Mercedes]

No, I've never flown off (nor onto) a carrier.

W

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From: "Mountain Man via Mercedes" 

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Cc: "Mountain Man" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 10:54 PM
Subject: [MBZ] The Most Dangerous Job in the World



Military videos are not a favorite for me - too much equipment for
violence or sadness in life to be lost, fire power... all that.  But
this seemed interesting.  Did WILTON ever do this type of flight?  It
was said that these guys are usually only 20 years old and the jobs
appear to be very responsible positions.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3UFuSaY0u3YNkQtejk3X1BjNkk/view?pref=2=1
mao

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[MBZ] The Most Dangerous Job in the World

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Military videos are not a favorite for me - too much equipment for
violence or sadness in life to be lost, fire power... all that.  But
this seemed interesting.  Did WILTON ever do this type of flight?  It
was said that these guys are usually only 20 years old and the jobs
appear to be very responsible positions.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3UFuSaY0u3YNkQtejk3X1BjNkk/view?pref=2=1
mao

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Re: [MBZ] luminous efficacy - was: Strange effect

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I like lubricity.


Mountain Man via Mercedes 
September 21, 2016 at 9:29 PM

Oh no.
Efficacy...
Is that gonna turn in to another okiebenz word similar to lubricious?
efficacious?
mao


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Re: [MBZ] luminous efficacy - was: Strange effect

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

> Here is a cool article about luminous efficacy, spectrum, etc.

Oh no.
Efficacy...
Is that gonna turn in to another okiebenz word similar to lubricious?
efficacious?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Who needs a 91 W126?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nice, if the funky looking finish is just from moisture on the paint.

Dan

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 7:51 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> SWB 300SE
> http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5782560361.html
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[MBZ] OT: The most original ad I've seen today

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

"I also own a 1985 Mercedes 280SL. It's also red, and is a roadster with a
removable hardtop, a five-speed and a double overhead cam engine. I can say
categorically that the Mercedes isn't in the same class with this car."

http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5782560361.html

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Re: [MBZ] Who needs a 91 W126?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Seems real nice for the money...

Curt

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Mercedes wrote:   SWB 300SE
http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5782560361.html

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[MBZ] Who needs a 91 W126?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

SWB 300SE
http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5782560361.html

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Re: [MBZ] No car payment this month Was: A car for poos

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I was meaning installed.
A WAG really, I paid $1800 when I got the Golf for a junkyard transmission 
installed with a timing belt service, oil change and headlight polish. The 
transmission was probably under $1000 installed...
-Curt

  From: Mitch Haley 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 6:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] No car payment this month Was: A car for poos
   

> On September 21, 2016 at 6:38 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> As long as the body doesn't rust out theres not all that great a reason to
> ever get rid of a car. Say something big goes, like the transmission, you're
> out maybe $2,000 for a junkyard replacement which will probably have fewer
> miles than yours.

Where do junkyard transmissions cost $2000, New Jersey?

Mitch.


   
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Re: [MBZ] No car payment this month Was: A car for poos

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On September 21, 2016 at 6:38 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> As long as the body doesn't rust out theres not all that great a reason to
> ever get rid of a car. Say something big goes, like the transmission, you're
> out maybe $2,000 for a junkyard replacement which will probably have fewer
> miles than yours.

Where do junkyard transmissions cost $2000, New Jersey?

Mitch.

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[MBZ] Is the C280 really a turkey?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] No car payment this month Was: A car for poos

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

As long as the body doesn't rust out theres not all that great a reason to ever 
get rid of a car. Say something big goes, like the transmission, you're out 
maybe $2,000 for a junkyard replacement which will probably have fewer miles 
than yours. Average that out over the next 20,000 miles and it amounts to 
basically nothing...
-Curt

  From: Donald Snook via Mercedes 
 To: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
Cc: Donald Snook 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 4:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] No car payment this month Was: A car for poos
   
Someone asked me about buying a BMW 5 series or a 7 series (from 1995-2001) and 
I started thinking about what I have had to spend on my car.

I bought my 2000 BMW 740iL 4 years ago with 159,000 miles. I now have 228,000 
miles. In the 4 intervening years, I have had to do the following repairs and 
maintenance:

Replaced the battery twice, one was free as the battery was under warranty -- 
$200
Replace Tires - $400
Replaced the coolant reservoir and coolant level sensor around $120
Replaced the radiator -- $400 (includes labor cost at shop)
replaced rear brake pads $100
replaced passenger door lock actuator $250 (includes labor cost at shop)
changed the spark plugs - $75
replaced one ignition coil - $70
replace fuel pump and fuel filter -- $500 (includes labor cost at shop)

That adds up to $2115 in four years and 68,000 miles. I doubt I could have 
driven a new car and spent less than that in 4 years!

Even if I figure in the cost of 12 oil changes (some done by me and some at a 
shop) with an average cost of $50 each, that brings the total to $2715. Less 
than $3000 in 4 years and almost 70,000 miles.

So, I decided to figure out the TOTAL operating costs for my car. I added up 
the cost of the car + insurance + gas + maintenance and repairs + licensing and 
taxes. I added it all up and my total ownership costs is 23 cents per mile.

According to AAA, the average operating costs in the USA is 57 cents per mile 
(for all car styles). The average operating cost for a large sedan is 69 cents 
per mile. Those amounts for the miles I have driven would have been $38,760 and 
$46,920 respectively. I spent a total of $15,728 for my car including 
everything.

A few sites I have seen provide the average operating costs and the cheapest 
vehicle for 5 year operating costs was a Toyota Prius at approximately 30 cents 
per mile the average cost of a small sedan at 46.4 cents per mile.

Despite the conventional wisdom, my 740iL has been extremely cheap to own and 
is more than twice as cheap as the smallest and cheapest average cars.

Now that I have figured it all up I know what to do with my fleet.

Fix the windows on the 01 BMW, sell it, and keep the truck and 2000 BMW and 
drive it as long as I can.  I have 228,000 miles.  I see no reason it won't 
make it 250K (knock wood!).

Don Snook




From: Curley McLain [mailto:126die...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 2:08 PM
To: Donald Snook 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] No car payment this month Was: A car for poos

Thank you sir!  240D has been around for over 20 years now.  Since I had to 
drive it several winters and both kids drove it and learned to drive in it, it 
is no longer pretty, but does not look bad from 50'  For now, the rust is 
mostly in places where it does not show.  It could use a couple  months of 
Dimitri's majik!  Then a Curt roller paint job.


Donald Snook
September 21, 2016 at 11:49 AM
Now, this deserves an ATTABOY!

Any time someone can keep their cars running (and even improve them) in an 
effort to avoid a car payment, I think that is an admirable goal!

Don Snook

-Original Message-
From: Curley McLain [mailto:126die...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:25 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 

Subject: [MBZ] No car payment this month Was: A car for poos


on that note: In the past month, the only parts I have had to buy was the 
engine shock for the 240D. That means no "car payment" this month!
Sincel about a year ago, I have been doing a lot of fixing, and ordering parts. 
A lot of it was deferred maintenance. Even the neglected 240D has a new 
exhaust, after 20 years of patching the old one together until it was pretty 
much bandaids holding the bandaids together. When I took the old exhaust off 
and salvaged the hose clamps, there was only the front pipe from the manifold 
to the bend to the aft (about 20") left.

It also has new motor mounts, a new air cleaner, the transmission
modulator adjusted; new front end parts etc. The old 240D sounds
good, is smoother and shifts better. The trans has been "on the way out" for 
10-15 years, but has not died yet...


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Re: [MBZ] luminous efficacy - was: Strange effect

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Here is a cool article about luminous efficacy, spectrum, etc.



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Re: [MBZ] No car payment this month Was: A car for poos

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Someone asked me about buying a BMW 5 series or a 7 series (from 1995-2001) and 
I started thinking about what I have had to spend on my car.

I bought my 2000 BMW 740iL 4 years ago with 159,000 miles. I now have 228,000 
miles. In the 4 intervening years, I have had to do the following repairs and 
maintenance:

Replaced the battery twice, one was free as the battery was under warranty -- 
$200
Replace Tires - $400
Replaced the coolant reservoir and coolant level sensor around $120
Replaced the radiator -- $400 (includes labor cost at shop)
replaced rear brake pads $100
replaced passenger door lock actuator $250 (includes labor cost at shop)
changed the spark plugs - $75
replaced one ignition coil - $70
replace fuel pump and fuel filter -- $500 (includes labor cost at shop)

That adds up to $2115 in four years and 68,000 miles. I doubt I could have 
driven a new car and spent less than that in 4 years!

Even if I figure in the cost of 12 oil changes (some done by me and some at a 
shop) with an average cost of $50 each, that brings the total to $2715. Less 
than $3000 in 4 years and almost 70,000 miles.

So, I decided to figure out the TOTAL operating costs for my car. I added up 
the cost of the car + insurance + gas + maintenance and repairs + licensing and 
taxes. I added it all up and my total ownership costs is 23 cents per mile.

According to AAA, the average operating costs in the USA is 57 cents per mile 
(for all car styles). The average operating cost for a large sedan is 69 cents 
per mile. Those amounts for the miles I have driven would have been $38,760 and 
$46,920 respectively. I spent a total of $15,728 for my car including 
everything.

A few sites I have seen provide the average operating costs and the cheapest 
vehicle for 5 year operating costs was a Toyota Prius at approximately 30 cents 
per mile the average cost of a small sedan at 46.4 cents per mile.

Despite the conventional wisdom, my 740iL has been extremely cheap to own and 
is more than twice as cheap as the smallest and cheapest average cars.

Now that I have figured it all up I know what to do with my fleet.

Fix the windows on the 01 BMW, sell it, and keep the truck and 2000 BMW and 
drive it as long as I can.  I have 228,000 miles.  I see no reason it won't 
make it 250K (knock wood!).

Don Snook




From: Curley McLain [mailto:126die...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 2:08 PM
To: Donald Snook 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] No car payment this month Was: A car for poos

Thank you sir!   240D has been around for over 20 years now.  Since I had to 
drive it several winters and both kids drove it and learned to drive in it, it 
is no longer pretty, but does not look bad from 50'  For now, the rust is 
mostly in places where it does not show.  It could use a couple  months of 
Dimitri's majik!  Then a Curt roller paint job.


Donald Snook
September 21, 2016 at 11:49 AM
Now, this deserves an ATTABOY!

Any time someone can keep their cars running (and even improve them) in an 
effort to avoid a car payment, I think that is an admirable goal!

Don Snook

-Original Message-
From: Curley McLain [mailto:126die...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:25 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 

Subject: [MBZ] No car payment this month Was: A car for poos


on that note: In the past month, the only parts I have had to buy was the 
engine shock for the 240D. That means no "car payment" this month!
Sincel about a year ago, I have been doing a lot of fixing, and ordering parts. 
A lot of it was deferred maintenance. Even the neglected 240D has a new 
exhaust, after 20 years of patching the old one together until it was pretty 
much bandaids holding the bandaids together. When I took the old exhaust off 
and salvaged the hose clamps, there was only the front pipe from the manifold 
to the bend to the aft (about 20") left.

It also has new motor mounts, a new air cleaner, the transmission
modulator adjusted; new front end parts etc. The old 240D sounds
good, is smoother and shifts better. The trans has been "on the way out" for 
10-15 years, but has not died yet...


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Re: [MBZ] luminous efficacy - was: Strange effect

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Max wrote:
> 
> Good point, have you made up a handy chart of incandescent watts
> vs lumens?  ;)

No, 'cause it varies. 

The proper term for how many lumens per watt is "luminous
efficacy".  For reference, a light source that turns all of the
energy into 555 nm light (a green color that the human eye is
very sensitive to, and part of the definition of "lumen") would
have an luminous efficacy of 683 lm/W.

7-15 lm/WTypical for a medium base incandescent lamps like we
 use around the house (40-100 W).  I generally mentally
 calculate using 10-12 lm/W.

20-30 lm/W   Halogen type incandescent are higher.
60 lm/W  Old-style T12 florescent, typical
80-100 lm/W  Electronic ballast T8
30-100 lm/W  LED lamps for 120 V
65-115 lm/W  Metal halide
100-200 lm/W The champion, low pressure sodium (seen in street
 lights - the _very_ orange ones)


Not a chart, but maybe it will help. *smiles*

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Re: [MBZ] Gas Crisis

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I laughed when I saw this. Psycho media had the locals all worked up about this 
over the weekend.  Never mind that nearly 100% of our fuel comes by tanker and 
barge via the Port of Tampa. This is due to the fact that there are no oil 
transmission lines in Florida to begin with.

Dan

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> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Saw two gas stations closed just a little while ago, no gas no dizzel.  Jawja 
> pipeline break has cut us off!  Turning down the thermostat now.
> 
> I filled up at Costco last night, no problems.  This is interesting as our 
> fuel comes in through the port not the pipeline though upstate is dependent 
> on the pipeline and they have had shortages all week.
> 
> Jimmuh Cahtah coming out of retirement to lecture us!
> 
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[MBZ] Gas Crisis

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Saw two gas stations closed just a little while ago, no gas no dizzel.  
Jawja pipeline break has cut us off!  Turning down the thermostat now.


I filled up at Costco last night, no problems.  This is interesting as 
our fuel comes in through the port not the pipeline though upstate is 
dependent on the pipeline and they have had shortages all week.


Jimmuh Cahtah coming out of retirement to lecture us!

--
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Re: [MBZ] A car for poos

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

They are great cars, and when well maintained are pretty robust.  If I had the 
opportunity to find a nice late 90s model I would consider it depending on my 
needs.  If anyone asked me for an opinion on them, I would say you'll be fine 
as long as you buy a 96 or later. The later models are far more reliable and 
efficient for a lot of reasons and are relatively trouble free if they've been 
properly cared for.  In my case I have the 94, which is a problematic model 
year. That's been exacerbated by it being stored for a period of time in a bad 
environment, which would be a bad thing for any car with lots of 
electronics/connectors.

So my distaste for them presently is primarily motivated by the one that's 
giving me fits. Next, it's a horribly inefficient car. Average gas mileage 
(using premium fuel) has been a little over 16 mpg over my ownership.  It costs 
a lot of money to operate.

Contrast this with Tommy's former 98 S420 that my oldest son drives:

Nearly 300k on the clock
Everything except the rear sunscreen works
Averages around 19 mpg
Extent of repairs over 1 year of ownership: 2 ignition (COPs) coils for a grand 
total of about $150

What really made me turn the corner was the purchase of the 350SDL.  Minimal 
electronics, cheap to repair/maintain, reliable, average fuel mileage 22 mpg 
with less expensive fuel.

There's no question the W140 is a far finer and more luxurious car, and a much 
better ride. However, I'll gladly trade all the bells and whistles for lower 
costs, less maintenance, and reliability.  I can close the doors myself, thank 
you.

I would also point out that the W140 wasn't what pushed me into a W126 diesel, 
the 2003 S430 (W220) did. That car is even more complex than the W140 and 
requires a much higher degree of involvement as far as troubleshooting and 
repair. In a nutshell, it scared the hell out of me when I started getting into 
it.

Given the choice, if I was going to buy a vergasser today I would look for a 
W124/300E or a W126/300SE/L. Those are about the latest and most complex gas 
models I would want to mess with.  In the meantime, I'll continue to troll for 
diesels, ideally OM603s when possible. The six cylinder diesel is a fantastic 
engine compared to the OM617. In my opinion, performance is nearly equal to a 
decent gas car.

Klatta klatta!

Dan

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> wrote:
> 
> Dan firmly states:
> 
>> ‎No W140s, thank you.
> 
> Strange how opinions change over time, with wisdom, knowledge, and 
> experience
> 
> Rick 
> Who was pining for a 140 a while back, after a list member was waxing 
> ecstatic about them...
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[MBZ] Tesla owners beware of hackers

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Tesla Model S hacked from 12 miles awayPublished: Wednesday, September 21,
2016

Chinese security researchers were able to take remote control of a Tesla
Model S from 12 miles away.

The team from Keen Security Lab controlled the car's brakes, locks and
other electronic features. And while the hack occurred when the web browser
of the Model S was connected to a malicious web browser — a controlled
environment for Keen's experiment — that didn't stop Tesla Motors Inc. from
issuing a statement.

"Our realistic estimate is that the risk to our customers was very low, but
this did not stop us from responding quickly," the company said.

Just last month, another Tesla hack was demonstrated by researchers at the
University of South Carolina, who fooled the Model S autopilot and its
object perception (Olivia Solon, London*Guardian*
,
Sept. 20). *— CB*
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Re: [MBZ] OT Consolidating the Fleet

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

And the nice thing is - you have a short last name so there are MULTIPLE
opportunities for cute vanity plates that no one else would ever think up:
snook
Snookie
snooker
snookjr
Snook2, 3 etc.
Lvsnook or luvsnook if you have 8 characters to play with
wesnook

you get the idea.


On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Whats the wife drive? Wasn't she a lover of big SUVs?
> I feel like if you're going to drive an older car you ought to have a
> spare in case things go wrong. Also if you're going to drive an older car
> long term you need to fix everything that goes wrong immediately. Otherwise
> you fall out of love with the car and each additional thing that needs
> fixing becomes "aww man, another thing thats wrong." if you fix each thing
> then you only have one thing wrong at a time.
> So my advice is to fix everything on the '01 and the pickup and drive the
> '01 some. If you fall back in love with it then keep 'em all. If you don't
> then sell the '01, keep the 2000 and the pickup and drive 'em both until
> the wheels fall off, then reconsider.
> You could sell the '01 now but as you've already estimated you'll take a
> bath on it, only bottom feeders buy cars that already have a problem.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel ; Donald Snook <
> d...@snooklawllc.com>
>  Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:15 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Consolidating the Fleet
>
> Your life would be 1/5 as complicated if only you hadn't married.
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I currently have three vehicles and I want to eliminate some.
> >
> > I have:
> >
> > 2000 BMW 740iL 227,xxx miles
> >
> > 2001 BMW 740iL Sport 131,000 miles
> >
> > 1992 Ford F-150 148,000
> >
> > I am considering a few scenarios.
> >
> > First, sell all three vehicles (or trade in two of them and sell the
> > other) and get one vehicle that meets all my needs.
> >
> > Second, sell the 01 BMW and the truck and keep the 00 BMW and drive it
> > until the wheels fall off.
> >
> > Third, sell the 01 BMW, and keep the truck and the 00 BMW.
> >
> > Considerations:
> >
> > The 2000 740iL runs great. Its very comfortable. In fact, I think it is
> > more comfortable than the 01. But, it has 227K miles and needs a rear
> > bumper (has a big crack and chunk missing from the bottom). It isn't
> worth
> > much with the miles. It is still a very clean car. It has the security
> > glass windows that are starting to delaminate a little, so it looks like
> I
> > have fog inside two of the windows. It doesn't bother me much. It is my
> > daily driver.  If I tried to sell the car, it wouldn't bring much and is
> > probably worth more to me to just drive it.
> >
> > The 01 740iL is a beautiful car in Royal Rot and it is a sport with the
> > staggered M-Par wheels and great looking sand colored interior. It is a
> > very nice car, but in the time I have had it, 3 of the power windows have
> > screwed up. I think I need the replacement metal wheels for the
> regulators.
> > The regulators are still going up and down but the windows don't move. It
> > also has the trifecta (ABS, Traction, etc) lights on. I do not know if it
> > is the one wheel speed sensor that has not been replaced yet or if its
> the
> > ABS box (whatever it is called). The suspension is excellent (front and
> > rear) as everything has been replaced by the previous owner or me in the
> > last 20,000 miles. This car still has pretty good value. But, in order to
> > sell it for what it is really worth, I am going to have to at least fix
> the
> > three windows.
> >
> > 1992 Ford F-150 XLT. Its super clean and rust free and runs great. Has 4
> > new tires, and I used it a couple months ago to tow a trailer and 4,000
> > pound car on a 600 mile trip and it impressed the hell out of me and had
> no
> > trouble. I rarely use it, but it is always handy to have a truck. Its V8
> > 2wd regular cab. Runs great, but needs a compressor for the a/c. Here's
> the
> > snag on it. I bought it a few years ago, and I can't find the title. In
> > fact, I couldn't find the title when I tried to register it the first
> time.
> > So, I will have to get the small dealer I bought it from to apply for
> lost
> > title and then get it from him. Not a big deal, I just haven't done it
> yet.
> >
> > I have 5 kids. But, 3 of them are grown and have their own kids. We go
> and
> > visit the other kids and grandkids pretty frequently. It is a four hour
> > drive one way. We usually take my 00 BMW. But, sometimes we have to
> bring a
> > couple extra kids. 5 people in the 7 series isn't bad, but it gets
> crowded
> > quick and I am wondering about a big SUV. I don't really care about gas
> > mileage for my daily driver because my office is 5 miles from my house
> 

Re: [MBZ] 1972 Town and Country wagon on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Who said it was?  I just love its vast, unapologetic excesses.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 1:18 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I had a nearly identical 71 Chrysler T & C.  Gold or bronze in color.
> Bought new in  Apr '71; SWMBO sold it in '78 while I was in Greenland.
> Mighty good-driving, good-riding car, not as good as a  126 or 124, though.
>
> W
>
> - Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:47 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] 1972 Town and Country wagon on BAT
>
>
> This car is incredible - the last of an era of cheap gas and excessive
>> size.  It appeals to my basest instincts.  Gotta love that dual function
>> rear hatch - the very acme of early 1970s  technology.  Has crank windows
>> except for the tailgate glass which is electric. wtf!
>>
>> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-chrysler-town-country/
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Re: [MBZ] OT Consolidating the Fleet

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Whats the wife drive? Wasn't she a lover of big SUVs?
I feel like if you're going to drive an older car you ought to have a spare in 
case things go wrong. Also if you're going to drive an older car long term you 
need to fix everything that goes wrong immediately. Otherwise you fall out of 
love with the car and each additional thing that needs fixing becomes "aww man, 
another thing thats wrong." if you fix each thing then you only have one thing 
wrong at a time.
So my advice is to fix everything on the '01 and the pickup and drive the '01 
some. If you fall back in love with it then keep 'em all. If you don't then 
sell the '01, keep the 2000 and the pickup and drive 'em both until the wheels 
fall off, then reconsider.
You could sell the '01 now but as you've already estimated you'll take a bath 
on it, only bottom feeders buy cars that already have a problem.
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel ; Donald Snook 

 Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Consolidating the Fleet
   
Your life would be 1/5 as complicated if only you hadn't married.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I currently have three vehicles and I want to eliminate some.
>
> I have:
>
> 2000 BMW 740iL 227,xxx miles
>
> 2001 BMW 740iL Sport 131,000 miles
>
> 1992 Ford F-150 148,000
>
> I am considering a few scenarios.
>
> First, sell all three vehicles (or trade in two of them and sell the
> other) and get one vehicle that meets all my needs.
>
> Second, sell the 01 BMW and the truck and keep the 00 BMW and drive it
> until the wheels fall off.
>
> Third, sell the 01 BMW, and keep the truck and the 00 BMW.
>
> Considerations:
>
> The 2000 740iL runs great. Its very comfortable. In fact, I think it is
> more comfortable than the 01. But, it has 227K miles and needs a rear
> bumper (has a big crack and chunk missing from the bottom). It isn't worth
> much with the miles. It is still a very clean car. It has the security
> glass windows that are starting to delaminate a little, so it looks like I
> have fog inside two of the windows. It doesn't bother me much. It is my
> daily driver.  If I tried to sell the car, it wouldn't bring much and is
> probably worth more to me to just drive it.
>
> The 01 740iL is a beautiful car in Royal Rot and it is a sport with the
> staggered M-Par wheels and great looking sand colored interior. It is a
> very nice car, but in the time I have had it, 3 of the power windows have
> screwed up. I think I need the replacement metal wheels for the regulators.
> The regulators are still going up and down but the windows don't move. It
> also has the trifecta (ABS, Traction, etc) lights on. I do not know if it
> is the one wheel speed sensor that has not been replaced yet or if its the
> ABS box (whatever it is called). The suspension is excellent (front and
> rear) as everything has been replaced by the previous owner or me in the
> last 20,000 miles. This car still has pretty good value. But, in order to
> sell it for what it is really worth, I am going to have to at least fix the
> three windows.
>
> 1992 Ford F-150 XLT. Its super clean and rust free and runs great. Has 4
> new tires, and I used it a couple months ago to tow a trailer and 4,000
> pound car on a 600 mile trip and it impressed the hell out of me and had no
> trouble. I rarely use it, but it is always handy to have a truck. Its V8
> 2wd regular cab. Runs great, but needs a compressor for the a/c. Here's the
> snag on it. I bought it a few years ago, and I can't find the title. In
> fact, I couldn't find the title when I tried to register it the first time.
> So, I will have to get the small dealer I bought it from to apply for lost
> title and then get it from him. Not a big deal, I just haven't done it yet.
>
> I have 5 kids. But, 3 of them are grown and have their own kids. We go and
> visit the other kids and grandkids pretty frequently. It is a four hour
> drive one way. We usually take my 00 BMW. But, sometimes we have to bring a
> couple extra kids. 5 people in the 7 series isn't bad, but it gets crowded
> quick and I am wondering about a big SUV. I don't really care about gas
> mileage for my daily driver because my office is 5 miles from my house and
> I put less than 15,000 miles on my cars in a year.
>
> Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] A car for poos

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dan firmly states:

>‎No W140s, thank you.

Strange how opinions change over time, with wisdom, knowledge, and 
experience

Rick 
Who was pining for a 140 a while back, after a list member was waxing ecstatic 
about them...
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Re: [MBZ] OT Consolidating the Fleet

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Yes, but also a lot more boring.  Having 5 kids is an adventure! Plus, 7 
grandkids!

Don Snook

From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:15 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Donald Snook 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Consolidating the Fleet

Your life would be 1/5 as complicated if only you hadn't married.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
> wrote:
I currently have three vehicles and I want to eliminate some.

I have:

2000 BMW 740iL 227,xxx miles

2001 BMW 740iL Sport 131,000 miles

1992 Ford F-150 148,000

I am considering a few scenarios.

First, sell all three vehicles (or trade in two of them and sell the other) and 
get one vehicle that meets all my needs.

Second, sell the 01 BMW and the truck and keep the 00 BMW and drive it until 
the wheels fall off.

Third, sell the 01 BMW, and keep the truck and the 00 BMW.

Considerations:

The 2000 740iL runs great. Its very comfortable. In fact, I think it is more 
comfortable than the 01. But, it has 227K miles and needs a rear bumper (has a 
big crack and chunk missing from the bottom). It isn't worth much with the 
miles. It is still a very clean car. It has the security glass windows that are 
starting to delaminate a little, so it looks like I have fog inside two of the 
windows. It doesn't bother me much. It is my daily driver.  If I tried to sell 
the car, it wouldn't bring much and is probably worth more to me to just drive 
it.

The 01 740iL is a beautiful car in Royal Rot and it is a sport with the 
staggered M-Par wheels and great looking sand colored interior. It is a very 
nice car, but in the time I have had it, 3 of the power windows have screwed 
up. I think I need the replacement metal wheels for the regulators. The 
regulators are still going up and down but the windows don't move. It also has 
the trifecta (ABS, Traction, etc) lights on. I do not know if it is the one 
wheel speed sensor that has not been replaced yet or if its the ABS box 
(whatever it is called). The suspension is excellent (front and rear) as 
everything has been replaced by the previous owner or me in the last 20,000 
miles. This car still has pretty good value. But, in order to sell it for what 
it is really worth, I am going to have to at least fix the three windows.

1992 Ford F-150 XLT. Its super clean and rust free and runs great. Has 4 new 
tires, and I used it a couple months ago to tow a trailer and 4,000 pound car 
on a 600 mile trip and it impressed the hell out of me and had no trouble. I 
rarely use it, but it is always handy to have a truck. Its V8 2wd regular cab. 
Runs great, but needs a compressor for the a/c. Here's the snag on it. I bought 
it a few years ago, and I can't find the title. In fact, I couldn't find the 
title when I tried to register it the first time. So, I will have to get the 
small dealer I bought it from to apply for lost title and then get it from him. 
Not a big deal, I just haven't done it yet.

I have 5 kids. But, 3 of them are grown and have their own kids. We go and 
visit the other kids and grandkids pretty frequently. It is a four hour drive 
one way. We usually take my 00 BMW. But, sometimes we have to bring a couple 
extra kids. 5 people in the 7 series isn't bad, but it gets crowded quick and I 
am wondering about a big SUV. I don't really care about gas mileage for my 
daily driver because my office is 5 miles from my house and I put less than 
15,000 miles on my cars in a year.

Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] 1972 Town and Country wagon on BAT

[WILTON via Mercedes]

I had a nearly identical 71 Chrysler T & C.  Gold or bronze in color. 
Bought new in  Apr '71; SWMBO sold it in '78 while I was in Greenland. 
Mighty good-driving, good-riding car, not as good as a  126 or 124, though.


W

- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:47 AM
Subject: [MBZ] 1972 Town and Country wagon on BAT



This car is incredible - the last of an era of cheap gas and excessive
size.  It appeals to my basest instincts.  Gotta love that dual function
rear hatch - the very acme of early 1970s  technology.  Has crank windows
except for the tailgate glass which is electric. wtf!

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-chrysler-town-country/
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Re: [MBZ] OT Consolidating the Fleet

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Your life would be 1/5 as complicated if only you hadn't married.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I currently have three vehicles and I want to eliminate some.
>
> I have:
>
> 2000 BMW 740iL 227,xxx miles
>
> 2001 BMW 740iL Sport 131,000 miles
>
> 1992 Ford F-150 148,000
>
> I am considering a few scenarios.
>
> First, sell all three vehicles (or trade in two of them and sell the
> other) and get one vehicle that meets all my needs.
>
> Second, sell the 01 BMW and the truck and keep the 00 BMW and drive it
> until the wheels fall off.
>
> Third, sell the 01 BMW, and keep the truck and the 00 BMW.
>
> Considerations:
>
> The 2000 740iL runs great. Its very comfortable. In fact, I think it is
> more comfortable than the 01. But, it has 227K miles and needs a rear
> bumper (has a big crack and chunk missing from the bottom). It isn't worth
> much with the miles. It is still a very clean car. It has the security
> glass windows that are starting to delaminate a little, so it looks like I
> have fog inside two of the windows. It doesn't bother me much. It is my
> daily driver.  If I tried to sell the car, it wouldn't bring much and is
> probably worth more to me to just drive it.
>
> The 01 740iL is a beautiful car in Royal Rot and it is a sport with the
> staggered M-Par wheels and great looking sand colored interior. It is a
> very nice car, but in the time I have had it, 3 of the power windows have
> screwed up. I think I need the replacement metal wheels for the regulators.
> The regulators are still going up and down but the windows don't move. It
> also has the trifecta (ABS, Traction, etc) lights on. I do not know if it
> is the one wheel speed sensor that has not been replaced yet or if its the
> ABS box (whatever it is called). The suspension is excellent (front and
> rear) as everything has been replaced by the previous owner or me in the
> last 20,000 miles. This car still has pretty good value. But, in order to
> sell it for what it is really worth, I am going to have to at least fix the
> three windows.
>
> 1992 Ford F-150 XLT. Its super clean and rust free and runs great. Has 4
> new tires, and I used it a couple months ago to tow a trailer and 4,000
> pound car on a 600 mile trip and it impressed the hell out of me and had no
> trouble. I rarely use it, but it is always handy to have a truck. Its V8
> 2wd regular cab. Runs great, but needs a compressor for the a/c. Here's the
> snag on it. I bought it a few years ago, and I can't find the title. In
> fact, I couldn't find the title when I tried to register it the first time.
> So, I will have to get the small dealer I bought it from to apply for lost
> title and then get it from him. Not a big deal, I just haven't done it yet.
>
> I have 5 kids. But, 3 of them are grown and have their own kids. We go and
> visit the other kids and grandkids pretty frequently. It is a four hour
> drive one way. We usually take my 00 BMW. But, sometimes we have to bring a
> couple extra kids. 5 people in the 7 series isn't bad, but it gets crowded
> quick and I am wondering about a big SUV. I don't really care about gas
> mileage for my daily driver because my office is 5 miles from my house and
> I put less than 15,000 miles on my cars in a year.
>
> Don Snook
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[MBZ] OT Consolidating the Fleet

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I currently have three vehicles and I want to eliminate some.

I have:

2000 BMW 740iL 227,xxx miles

2001 BMW 740iL Sport 131,000 miles

1992 Ford F-150 148,000

I am considering a few scenarios.

First, sell all three vehicles (or trade in two of them and sell the other) and 
get one vehicle that meets all my needs.

Second, sell the 01 BMW and the truck and keep the 00 BMW and drive it until 
the wheels fall off.

Third, sell the 01 BMW, and keep the truck and the 00 BMW.

Considerations:

The 2000 740iL runs great. Its very comfortable. In fact, I think it is more 
comfortable than the 01. But, it has 227K miles and needs a rear bumper (has a 
big crack and chunk missing from the bottom). It isn't worth much with the 
miles. It is still a very clean car. It has the security glass windows that are 
starting to delaminate a little, so it looks like I have fog inside two of the 
windows. It doesn't bother me much. It is my daily driver.  If I tried to sell 
the car, it wouldn't bring much and is probably worth more to me to just drive 
it.

The 01 740iL is a beautiful car in Royal Rot and it is a sport with the 
staggered M-Par wheels and great looking sand colored interior. It is a very 
nice car, but in the time I have had it, 3 of the power windows have screwed 
up. I think I need the replacement metal wheels for the regulators. The 
regulators are still going up and down but the windows don't move. It also has 
the trifecta (ABS, Traction, etc) lights on. I do not know if it is the one 
wheel speed sensor that has not been replaced yet or if its the ABS box 
(whatever it is called). The suspension is excellent (front and rear) as 
everything has been replaced by the previous owner or me in the last 20,000 
miles. This car still has pretty good value. But, in order to sell it for what 
it is really worth, I am going to have to at least fix the three windows.

1992 Ford F-150 XLT. Its super clean and rust free and runs great. Has 4 new 
tires, and I used it a couple months ago to tow a trailer and 4,000 pound car 
on a 600 mile trip and it impressed the hell out of me and had no trouble. I 
rarely use it, but it is always handy to have a truck. Its V8 2wd regular cab. 
Runs great, but needs a compressor for the a/c. Here's the snag on it. I bought 
it a few years ago, and I can't find the title. In fact, I couldn't find the 
title when I tried to register it the first time. So, I will have to get the 
small dealer I bought it from to apply for lost title and then get it from him. 
Not a big deal, I just haven't done it yet.

I have 5 kids. But, 3 of them are grown and have their own kids. We go and 
visit the other kids and grandkids pretty frequently. It is a four hour drive 
one way. We usually take my 00 BMW. But, sometimes we have to bring a couple 
extra kids. 5 people in the 7 series isn't bad, but it gets crowded quick and I 
am wondering about a big SUV. I don't really care about gas mileage for my 
daily driver because my office is 5 miles from my house and I put less than 
15,000 miles on my cars in a year.

Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] A car for poos

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I will say this about that:

It looks nice. Being a 1996, the potential for it to have the wiring or 
evaporator issues is pretty much nil. My biggest concerns would be dried out 
rubber bits, as it would be with any car of this vintage and low miles.

Price is a bit optimistic, but not stupid. If everything they say in the ad is 
legit it looks like a really nice example.

PPI is a must!

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 11:18 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm hoping this goes through.  The stuff I sent the other day was being 
> kicked back.  
> 
> I am very curious about this car.  I don't know the pros and cons of the 140. 
>  I would be interested in what Dan says about this car -- not for him, but 
> for me! 
> 
> Don Snook 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 8:57 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: [MBZ] A car for poos
> 
> 
> 
> 1996 Mercedes-Benz S420 Sedan One Owner 43,000 actual miles 
> http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5778183948.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1972 Town and Country wagon on BAT

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I had a Sentra rental in LA a couple months ago, I took to calling it the 
"gutless wonder". I'd stomp on the pedal, the transmission would shift, the 
engine would make lots of noise and not much else would happen. If you'd asked 
I would have guessed around 100hp and it makes its power way up high in the RPM 
range so its very buzzy.
-Curt

  From: Donald Snook 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:46 PM
 Subject: RE: [MBZ] 1972 Town and Country wagon on BAT
   
Speaking of HP numbers a friend of mine secretly purchased an 83 Cadillac 
Fleetwood Brougham Coupe recently. I was doing a little research for him.  The 
4100 engine is rated at 135 HP.  I was wondering just how small a car you would 
have to buy now for such low horsepower.  I discovered that a 2016 Nissan 
Sentra has a 1.8L 4 cylinder that produces 130 HP.  Or a 2016 Toyota Corolla 
with a 1.8L produces 132 Horsepower.  Isn't it amazing to look back at cars we 
thought were fast and see they were producing 150 (or less) Horsepower!  Now, 
175-200 HP is pretty ordinary and available on relatively cheap and small cars. 
 It surprises me how far we have come.  

I think it is also interesting to think about the fact that 150,000 miles is 
pretty typical with newer cars.  Now, a cheap mid size car will run for 200,000 
miles without many major repairs.  Remember the days when that was only true 
for Mercedes and a few other cars? 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Curt Raymond [mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 10:57 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 Town and Country wagon on BAT

Pre-malaise era 440, the HP number isn't exciting, the 5.7l in my RAM is rated 
at 345HP but the torque number, 350#ft and its probably all down low, what a 
stump puller!
-Curt

      From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:47 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] 1972 Town and Country wagon on BAT
  
This car is incredible - the last of an era of cheap gas and excessive size.  
It appeals to my basest instincts.  Gotta love that dual function rear hatch - 
the very acme of early 1970s  technology.  Has crank windows except for the 
tailgate glass which is electric. wtf!

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-chrysler-town-country/
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Re: [MBZ] No car payment this month Was: A car for poos

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Now, this deserves an ATTABOY!  

Any time someone can keep their cars running (and even improve them) in an 
effort to avoid a car payment, I think that is an admirable goal!  

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Curley McLain [mailto:126die...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:25 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] No car payment this month Was: A car for poos


on that note:  In the past month, the only parts I have had to buy was the 
engine shock for the 240D.  That means no "car payment" this month!  
Sincel about a year ago, I have been doing a lot of fixing, and ordering parts. 
 A lot of it was deferred maintenance.  Even the neglected 240D has a new 
exhaust, after 20 years of patching the old one together until it was pretty 
much bandaids holding the bandaids together.  When I took the old exhaust off 
and salvaged the hose clamps, there was only the front pipe from the manifold 
to the bend to the aft (about 20") left.

It also has new motor mounts, a new air cleaner, the transmission 
modulator adjusted;  new front end parts etc.   The old 240D sounds 
good, is smoother and shifts better.  The trans has been "on the way out" for 
10-15 years, but has not died yet...
> rogerhga--- via Mercedes  September 21, 
> 2016 at 6:06 AM No, this car is TOO NICE for any of the "bottom 
> feeders" on this list (and that includes me) :-))) This car appears in 
> TOO good a condition so what would anyone have to spend hours of time 
> fixing / repairing?
> Pass on this one.
> Best Wishes,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] 1972 Town and Country wagon on BAT

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Personally, I like the clamshell wagons the best.  I haven't seen the light on 
the fuselage cars.  They look bloated and odd.  

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 10:48 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] 1972 Town and Country wagon on BAT

This car is incredible - the last of an era of cheap gas and excessive size.  
It appeals to my basest instincts.  Gotta love that dual function rear hatch - 
the very acme of early 1970s  technology.  Has crank windows except for the 
tailgate glass which is electric. wtf!

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-chrysler-town-country/

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Re: [MBZ] 1972 Town and Country wagon on BAT

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Speaking of HP numbers a friend of mine secretly purchased an 83 Cadillac 
Fleetwood Brougham Coupe recently. I was doing a little research for him.  The 
4100 engine is rated at 135 HP.  I was wondering just how small a car you would 
have to buy now for such low horsepower.  I discovered that a 2016 Nissan 
Sentra has a 1.8L 4 cylinder that produces 130 HP.   Or a 2016 Toyota Corolla 
with a 1.8L produces 132 Horsepower.  Isn't it amazing to look back at cars we 
thought were fast and see they were producing 150 (or less) Horsepower!  Now, 
175-200 HP is pretty ordinary and available on relatively cheap and small cars. 
  It surprises me how far we have come.  

I think it is also interesting to think about the fact that 150,000 miles is 
pretty typical with newer cars.  Now, a cheap mid size car will run for 200,000 
miles without many major repairs.  Remember the days when that was only true 
for Mercedes and a few other cars? 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Curt Raymond [mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 10:57 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 Town and Country wagon on BAT

Pre-malaise era 440, the HP number isn't exciting, the 5.7l in my RAM is rated 
at 345HP but the torque number, 350#ft and its probably all down low, what a 
stump puller!
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:47 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] 1972 Town and Country wagon on BAT
   
This car is incredible - the last of an era of cheap gas and excessive size.  
It appeals to my basest instincts.  Gotta love that dual function rear hatch - 
the very acme of early 1970s  technology.  Has crank windows except for the 
tailgate glass which is electric. wtf!

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-chrysler-town-country/
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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

MMM wrote:
> I think I paid $4.99 for four bulbs at Lowes, and the spotlight was about
> $9 or so?

...and... all chinee
chinee is always too expensive for me.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Another BAT gem - 1958 Chrysler convertible

[G Mann via Mercedes]

For the paltry pocket change of $35,000 you could become the "Mopar Man"


Two think of it.. TWO .. buy them both.. preserve the era..

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Totally droolworthy - the color is to die for (though not original to the
> car).  There is a matching wagon to go along with it.  Somebody lock me up
> before I make a fool of myself and buy both of them.
>
> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1958-dodge-custom-royal-lancer-d-500-
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Re: [MBZ] 1972 Town and Country wagon on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Tie me down NOW.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Pre-malaise era 440, the HP number isn't exciting, the 5.7l in my RAM is
> rated at 345HP but the torque number, 350#ft and its probably all down low,
> what a stump puller!
> -Curt
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
>  Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:47 AM
>  Subject: [MBZ] 1972 Town and Country wagon on BAT
>
> This car is incredible - the last of an era of cheap gas and excessive
> size.  It appeals to my basest instincts.  Gotta love that dual function
> rear hatch - the very acme of early 1970s  technology.  Has crank windows
> except for the tailgate glass which is electric. wtf!
>
> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-chrysler-town-country/
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Re: [MBZ] 240D license

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

MD just restricted driving for cars with classic plates.  Can't commute in
them any more...

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:

> Floriduh has "classic" plates for cars 30 years or older, but the fees are
> essentially the same as current plates, and you have to renew annually.
> Sort of defeats the purpose, in my mind.
>
> They have "permanent" classic plates, too, but the vehicle has to be older
> and not used as a daily driver. Woosconsin had a similar arrangement years
> ago with a lifetime (one time) fee and the vehicle couldn't be on the road
> in January and February, or something goofy like that. Otherwise you could
> drive it all you wanted.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> > On Sep 21, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > What a freaking ripoff.  I used to pay $16/Yr for a license plate for a
> 240D.  Then in the 90s they doubled it to 32.  Now it is $51!   In some
> states,an antique plate is one 50 to 75 fee then free after that .
> >
> > What do your states charge for license for a 123 or other car over 25
> years old?  I am sure IL and NE states are worse.  I am sure our state
> looked at what IL charges and upped the price to be closer to the biggest
> ripoff state not on a coast, IL.
> >
> > They have a antique plate, but it can only be used driving to or from a
> show, so it is worthless unless you have a model T.  WI used to be really
> good for "collector" plates, but the Madison commies ruined that.
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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If you want to feel really put down, check out the words used in the late
rounds of recent national spelling bees.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:26 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:

> If I may say so, the current election cycle leaves me..
>
> "Nugatory lubricious"
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I did not know there was a meaning other than relating to lubrication (in
> > a machine type sense not in a sexual sense).  So, I didn't learn a new
> > word, but I learned a new definition for that word!
> >
> > I like interesting words. Especially words that can actually be used in
> > normal conversation.  Obviously there are lots of weird technical words
> for
> > things that I would never use and that is an enormous list, but that's a
> > lot more difficult than finding words that can be used conversationally.
> > For example:
> >
> > Simultaneity -- Learned that one in law school in a Wills and Estate
> class
> > where the fact pattern involved a married couple each with a Will and we
> > had to analyze the simultaneity of their deaths Legerdemain -- opposing
> > counsel used this in a brief to describe the sleight of hand of my legal
> > argument -- I was a little insulted, but I won!
> > Jocular
> > Assiduous
> > Abjure
> > Corpulent
> > Brobdingnagian - I heard this on Big Bang Theory and read of review of
> the
> > new Ford Super Duty truck and they used it too!
> > Antediluvian
> > Superannuated
> > Enmity
> > Vitriol (or vitriolic)
> > Axiomatic (I use this often!)
> > Piscatorial -- don't tell an Oklahoma fisherman that you admire his
> > piscatorial aptitude unless you know him.  He might think those are
> > fighting words!
> > Truculent
> > Nadir
> > Predilection
> > Commensalism
> >
> > One of my favorite sounding words is exsanguinate. Of course, it sounds
> > interesting, but its meaning is pretty awful.
> >
> > I did learn a lesson in making sure I know what a word means before I use
> > it.  I heard the word pederast before and I knew it was some sort of an
> > insult.  But, I once called someone that without knowing what it really
> > meant.   Be careful, that's a real insult.
> >
> > Don Snook
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: arche...@embarqmail.com [mailto:arche...@embarqmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 11:57 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry
> >
> >
> > Donald Snook wrote:
> > > I am just impressed that you used the word "lubricious" !
> >
> > It's no wonder you're impressed. Here's the primary definition:
> >
> > lu·bri·cious
> > [lo͞oˈbriSHəs]
> > ADJECTIVE
> > "Offensively displaying or intended to arouse sexual desire."
> >
> > https://www.bing.com/search?q=lubricious+definition=MOZI=MOZSPG
> >
> > ~
> > > From: Dan Penoff
> > > It also implies my motivation is coming from the idea that I know
> better
> > - I don’t, nor do I profess to.  It’s more a matter of overcompensation
> and
> > fiscal analysis on my part - Yes, the oil probably isn’t
> > bad/worn/exhausted/sooted up at this point, but I want the peace of mind
> > that the oil in my car is as clean and lubricious as possible, and I’m
> > willing to spend a little extra for that assurance.
> > >
> > > So it’s not a matter of, “I’m smarter than the guys who designed this
> to
> > begin with.”
> > >
> > > But thanks for suggesting it, Marshall.
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Sep 19, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > > By changing the oil more often you're saying "I know better than MB
> > engineers". Please submit proof that you know better than MB engineers.
> > >
> > > > Boy that sounds like a Marshall post don't it?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Curt
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] 1972 Town and Country wagon on BAT

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Pre-malaise era 440, the HP number isn't exciting, the 5.7l in my RAM is rated 
at 345HP but the torque number, 350#ft and its probably all down low, what a 
stump puller!
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:47 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] 1972 Town and Country wagon on BAT
   
This car is incredible - the last of an era of cheap gas and excessive
size.  It appeals to my basest instincts.  Gotta love that dual function
rear hatch - the very acme of early 1970s  technology.  Has crank windows
except for the tailgate glass which is electric. wtf!

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Re: [MBZ] 1972 Town and Country wagon on BAT

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Andrew... you know you have to have it.. it's got your name on it already..

Don't worry.. the 440 engine only uses about 8 miles to the gallon.. the 38
gallon fuel tank only needs be filled once per day with regular driving..



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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This car is incredible - the last of an era of cheap gas and excessive
> size.  It appeals to my basest instincts.  Gotta love that dual function
> rear hatch - the very acme of early 1970s  technology.  Has crank windows
> except for the tailgate glass which is electric. wtf!
>
> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-chrysler-town-country/
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Re: [MBZ] 240D license

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Floriduh has "classic" plates for cars 30 years or older, but the fees are 
essentially the same as current plates, and you have to renew annually.  Sort 
of defeats the purpose, in my mind.

They have "permanent" classic plates, too, but the vehicle has to be older and 
not used as a daily driver. Woosconsin had a similar arrangement years ago with 
a lifetime (one time) fee and the vehicle couldn't be on the road in January 
and February, or something goofy like that. Otherwise you could drive it all 
you wanted.

Dan

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> On Sep 21, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What a freaking ripoff.  I used to pay $16/Yr for a license plate for a 240D. 
>  Then in the 90s they doubled it to 32.  Now it is $51!   In some states,an 
> antique plate is one 50 to 75 fee then free after that .
> 
> What do your states charge for license for a 123 or other car over 25 years 
> old?  I am sure IL and NE states are worse.  I am sure our state looked at 
> what IL charges and upped the price to be closer to the biggest ripoff state 
> not on a coast, IL.
> 
> They have a antique plate, but it can only be used driving to or from a show, 
> so it is worthless unless you have a model T.  WI used to be really good for 
> "collector" plates, but the Madison commies ruined that.
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[MBZ] Another BAT gem - 1958 Chrysler convertible

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Totally droolworthy - the color is to die for (though not original to the
car).  There is a matching wagon to go along with it.  Somebody lock me up
before I make a fool of myself and buy both of them.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1958-dodge-custom-royal-lancer-d-500-convertible/
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Re: [MBZ] Costco light fixtures Was:Strange effect

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> No I mean the fluor drama with having to deal with ballasts and tubes in
> the slots just right and having to touch them or jiggle them or whatever.
> Then they get to where they are flickering which is annoying as hell, or
> have this sorta wave traveling through them.


The 96W HO cold-start bulbs in the new garage have been pretty drama-free.
I think we just lost our second bulb last year.  They've been installed
about 15 years now, and always just work.  There are 30 of them, it's
pretty bright out there.

-- Jim
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[MBZ] 1972 Town and Country wagon on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

This car is incredible - the last of an era of cheap gas and excessive
size.  It appeals to my basest instincts.  Gotta love that dual function
rear hatch - the very acme of early 1970s  technology.  Has crank windows
except for the tailgate glass which is electric. wtf!

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Re: [MBZ] No car payment this month Was: A car for poos

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Curley wrote:
> It also has ... the transmission modulator adjusted...

Yeah, I gotta get to that adjustment for my 3-pedal 240D.
NOT!!
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> Good point, have you made up a handy chart of incandescent watts vs
> lumens?  ;)


There isn't one.  That is, there isn't _one_, though there may be many.
There is a general industry average for commodity bulbs, because there is a
general industry _lifetime_ rating.  Lots of variability, though.  And the
technology (halogen, not) makes a fair difference, too.  Consider the
old-fashioned photoflood lamp.  Lots of lumens per watt.  Lasts what, a
couple of hours?

There's a bazillion ways to rate a lamp.  Cost.  Lifetime.  Light output.
Light _pattern_.  Spectrum.  Power consumption.  Heat output.
Environmental sensitivity (heat/cold, vibration, orientation, even
EMI/ESD).  Physical durability.  Size/shape.  Hazards if damaged...

Depending on your needs, you might even care about _all_ of these!

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] I smoked lots of pot, crack, and snorted blow before posting ads

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Books are reduced to $419 for a car that's worth maybe $500 if it starts,
runs and moves.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:22 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> Duh!Floater!!!
>
>  Didja look where it is from?   Mahrishi International University fo rich
> wacko kids.Om
>
> Da beach boys were among the first students.
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> September 20, 2016 at 8:44 PM
>> This guy has several similar ads
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Mercedes-Benz-190D-Shop-Service
>> -Repair-Manual-2-5L-Turbo-Diesel-602-Engine-/37174236262
>> 6?hash=item568d924c02:g:cj8AAOSwPCVX4VqT=mtr
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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

[G Mann via Mercedes]

If I may say so, the current election cycle leaves me..

"Nugatory lubricious"

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I did not know there was a meaning other than relating to lubrication (in
> a machine type sense not in a sexual sense).  So, I didn't learn a new
> word, but I learned a new definition for that word!
>
> I like interesting words. Especially words that can actually be used in
> normal conversation.  Obviously there are lots of weird technical words for
> things that I would never use and that is an enormous list, but that's a
> lot more difficult than finding words that can be used conversationally.
> For example:
>
> Simultaneity -- Learned that one in law school in a Wills and Estate class
> where the fact pattern involved a married couple each with a Will and we
> had to analyze the simultaneity of their deaths Legerdemain -- opposing
> counsel used this in a brief to describe the sleight of hand of my legal
> argument -- I was a little insulted, but I won!
> Jocular
> Assiduous
> Abjure
> Corpulent
> Brobdingnagian - I heard this on Big Bang Theory and read of review of the
> new Ford Super Duty truck and they used it too!
> Antediluvian
> Superannuated
> Enmity
> Vitriol (or vitriolic)
> Axiomatic (I use this often!)
> Piscatorial -- don't tell an Oklahoma fisherman that you admire his
> piscatorial aptitude unless you know him.  He might think those are
> fighting words!
> Truculent
> Nadir
> Predilection
> Commensalism
>
> One of my favorite sounding words is exsanguinate. Of course, it sounds
> interesting, but its meaning is pretty awful.
>
> I did learn a lesson in making sure I know what a word means before I use
> it.  I heard the word pederast before and I knew it was some sort of an
> insult.  But, I once called someone that without knowing what it really
> meant.   Be careful, that's a real insult.
>
> Don Snook
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: arche...@embarqmail.com [mailto:arche...@embarqmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 11:57 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry
>
>
> Donald Snook wrote:
> > I am just impressed that you used the word "lubricious" !
>
> It's no wonder you're impressed. Here's the primary definition:
>
> lu·bri·cious
> [lo͞oˈbriSHəs]
> ADJECTIVE
> "Offensively displaying or intended to arouse sexual desire."
>
> https://www.bing.com/search?q=lubricious+definition=MOZI=MOZSPG
>
> ~
> > From: Dan Penoff
> > It also implies my motivation is coming from the idea that I know better
> - I don’t, nor do I profess to.  It’s more a matter of overcompensation and
> fiscal analysis on my part - Yes, the oil probably isn’t
> bad/worn/exhausted/sooted up at this point, but I want the peace of mind
> that the oil in my car is as clean and lubricious as possible, and I’m
> willing to spend a little extra for that assurance.
> >
> > So it’s not a matter of, “I’m smarter than the guys who designed this to
> begin with.”
> >
> > But thanks for suggesting it, Marshall.
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sep 19, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > By changing the oil more often you're saying "I know better than MB
> engineers". Please submit proof that you know better than MB engineers.
> >
> > > Boy that sounds like a Marshall post don't it?
> > >
> > >
> > > -Curt
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> I'm satisfied that not only are we saving money from the lower electrical
> consumption, but also from far less heat being generated and the additional
> load on the HVAC to remove it.


For us, however, with an all-electric house, excepting the summer months
(when we need a lot less lighting anyway) the heat is _welcome_, and
something we'd be paying for anyway.  No AC, either.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I did not know there was a meaning other than relating to lubrication (in a 
machine type sense not in a sexual sense).  So, I didn't learn a new word, but 
I learned a new definition for that word!  

I like interesting words. Especially words that can actually be used in normal 
conversation.  Obviously there are lots of weird technical words for things 
that I would never use and that is an enormous list, but that's a lot more 
difficult than finding words that can be used conversationally.  For example:  

Simultaneity -- Learned that one in law school in a Wills and Estate class 
where the fact pattern involved a married couple each with a Will and we had to 
analyze the simultaneity of their deaths Legerdemain -- opposing counsel used 
this in a brief to describe the sleight of hand of my legal argument -- I was a 
little insulted, but I won! 
Jocular
Assiduous
Abjure
Corpulent
Brobdingnagian - I heard this on Big Bang Theory and read of review of the new 
Ford Super Duty truck and they used it too! 
Antediluvian
Superannuated
Enmity
Vitriol (or vitriolic)
Axiomatic (I use this often!)
Piscatorial -- don't tell an Oklahoma fisherman that you admire his piscatorial 
aptitude unless you know him.  He might think those are fighting words! 
Truculent
Nadir
Predilection
Commensalism 
 
One of my favorite sounding words is exsanguinate. Of course, it sounds 
interesting, but its meaning is pretty awful. 

I did learn a lesson in making sure I know what a word means before I use it.  
I heard the word pederast before and I knew it was some sort of an insult.  
But, I once called someone that without knowing what it really meant.   Be 
careful, that's a real insult. 

Don Snook 


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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 11:57 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Q for Larry


Donald Snook wrote:
> I am just impressed that you used the word "lubricious" !  

It's no wonder you're impressed. Here's the primary definition:

lu·bri·cious
[lo͞oˈbriSHəs]
ADJECTIVE
"Offensively displaying or intended to arouse sexual desire."

https://www.bing.com/search?q=lubricious+definition=MOZI=MOZSPG

~
> From: Dan Penoff
> It also implies my motivation is coming from the idea that I know better - I 
> don’t, nor do I profess to.  It’s more a matter of overcompensation and 
> fiscal analysis on my part - Yes, the oil probably isn’t 
> bad/worn/exhausted/sooted up at this point, but I want the peace of mind that 
> the oil in my car is as clean and lubricious as possible, and I’m willing to 
> spend a little extra for that assurance.
> 
> So it’s not a matter of, “I’m smarter than the guys who designed this to 
> begin with.”
> 
> But thanks for suggesting it, Marshall.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 19, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > By changing the oil more often you're saying "I know better than MB 
> > engineers". Please submit proof that you know better than MB engineers.
> 
> > Boy that sounds like a Marshall post don't it?
> > 
> > 
> > -Curt
> > 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D license

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Our license / registration / taxes for all three vehicles ('87, '95, '96) is 
about $12 each vehicle for one year, then $33 each the next year, and keeps 
flipping back and forth like that.  Red state baby!  Regular plates, nothing 
special.

The cabriolet I just bought was like $25 to get the title in my name, no taxes 
/ registration / licence until I get it running and put insurance on it.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 21, 2016 11:13:04 AM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>What a freaking ripoff.  I used to pay $16/Yr for a license plate for a
>
>240D.  Then in the 90s they doubled it to 32.  Now it is $51!   In some
>
>states,an antique plate is one 50 to 75 fee then free after that .
>
>What do your states charge for license for a 123 or other car over 25 
>years old?  I am sure IL and NE states are worse.  I am sure our state 
>looked at what IL charges and upped the price to be closer to the 
>biggest ripoff state not on a coast, IL.
>
>They have a antique plate, but it can only be used driving to or from a
>
>show, so it is worthless unless you have a model T.  WI used to be 
>really good for "collector" plates, but the Madison commies ruined
>that.
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Re: [MBZ] A car for poos

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I'm hoping this goes through.  The stuff I sent the other day was being kicked 
back.  

I am very curious about this car.  I don't know the pros and cons of the 140.  
I would be interested in what Dan says about this car -- not for him, but for 
me! 

Don Snook 

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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 8:57 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] A car for poos



1996 Mercedes-Benz S420 Sedan One Owner 43,000 actual miles 
http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5778183948.html

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[MBZ] 240D license

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

What a freaking ripoff.  I used to pay $16/Yr for a license plate for a 
240D.  Then in the 90s they doubled it to 32.  Now it is $51!   In some 
states,an antique plate is one 50 to 75 fee then free after that .


What do your states charge for license for a 123 or other car over 25 
years old?  I am sure IL and NE states are worse.  I am sure our state 
looked at what IL charges and upped the price to be closer to the 
biggest ripoff state not on a coast, IL.


They have a antique plate, but it can only be used driving to or from a 
show, so it is worthless unless you have a model T.  WI used to be 
really good for "collector" plates, but the Madison commies ruined that.


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Re: [MBZ] very rare 603 engine

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Sure it's not the rare and very desirable "Zündfolge" engine?

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> On Sep 20, 2016, at 10:18 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looky mo lika M103 vergasser.
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> September 20, 2016 at 8:41 PM
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1987-MERCEDES-BENZ-300D-TURBO-OM603-603-96-DIESEL-ENGINE-RWD-AUTOMATIC-AT-COMBO-/262634688207?fits=Make%3AMercedes-Benz=item3d263f4ecf:g:i9UAAOSwmfhX4WHC=mtr
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Re: [MBZ] very rare 603 engine

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I got a second reply from the actual lister, he realized it was the wrong 
picture. Then asked me if it was a V6 from a '92 300E...
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 10:09 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] very rare 603 engine
   
If he was putting diesel fuel in a 300E, no wonder he had to junk the 
non-running car.


   Curt Raymond via Mercedes  September 21, 2016 at 8:22 AM  In his reply to me 
he doubles down on it being a diesel. He swears he was driving the car with the 
diesel engine in it.
I pointed out the spark plugs, the wrong oil filter, lack of turbo, lack of IP. 
We'll see what he says...
-Curt




   
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Re: [MBZ] very rare 603 engine

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

If he was putting diesel fuel in a 300E, no wonder he had to junk the 
non-running car.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
September 21, 2016 at 8:22 AM
In his reply to me he doubles down on it being a diesel. He swears he 
was driving the car with the diesel engine in it.
I pointed out the spark plugs, the wrong oil filter, lack of turbo, 
lack of IP. We'll see what he says...

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Ping

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Bong

--FT


On 9/20/16 9:28 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Pong

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:



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Re: [MBZ] very rare 603 engine

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

In his reply to me he doubles down on it being a diesel. He swears he was 
driving the car with the diesel engine in it.
I pointed out the spark plugs, the wrong oil filter, lack of turbo, lack of IP. 
We'll see what he says...
-Curt

  From: M. Mitchell Marmel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] very rare 603 engine
   
Looks sorta like an M103 or M102?

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Stored so carefully!
I wonder what he's actually trying to sell. I will ask...
-Curt

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Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:41 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] very rare 603 engine

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[MBZ] No car payment this month Was: A car for poos

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

on that note:  In the past month, the only parts I have had to buy was 
the engine shock for the 240D.  That means no "car payment" this month!  
Sincel about a year ago, I have been doing a lot of fixing, and ordering 
parts.  A lot of it was deferred maintenance.  Even the neglected 240D 
has a new exhaust, after 20 years of patching the old one together until 
it was pretty much bandaids holding the bandaids together.  When I took 
the old exhaust off and salvaged the hose clamps, there was only the 
front pipe from the manifold to the bend to the aft (about 20") left.


It also has new motor mounts, a new air cleaner, the transmission 
modulator adjusted;  new front end parts etc.   The old 240D sounds 
good, is smoother and shifts better.  The trans has been "on the way 
out" for 10-15 years, but has not died yet...

rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
September 21, 2016 at 6:06 AM
No, this car is TOO NICE for any of the "bottom feeders" on this list 
(and that includes me) :-))) This car appears in TOO good a condition 
so what would anyone have to spend hours of time fixing / repairing? 
Pass on this one.

Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com



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[MBZ] A car for poos

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

No, this car is TOO NICE for any of the "bottom feeders" on this list (and that 
includes me) :-))) This car appears in TOO good a condition so what would 
anyone have to spend hours of time fixing / repairing? Pass on this one. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Strange effect

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Absolutely.

That's why I swapped out all the PAR floodlights in the kitchen.  Not only were 
they inefficient and had to be replaced regularly, but they presented a pretty 
significant heat load.

I'm satisfied that not only are we saving money from the lower electrical 
consumption, but also from far less heat being generated and the additional 
load on the HVAC to remove it.

Dan

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:44 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> One thing I like about the LED bulbs:  No heat.  My bedroom/office used to
> get rather stuffy with three 60 watt incandescent bulbs in the ceiling fan
> fixture.  With three LED bulbs, things stay nice and cool...
> 
> In my workshop, I installed one of those y-shaped two bulb fixtures in the
> bottom of the fan fixture.  Now I have a globe bulb lighting the room and
> an LED spotlight shining down on the workbench.  Works splendidly!
> 
> -MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] A car for poos

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No W140s, thank you.

> On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> 1996 Mercedes-Benz S420 Sedan One Owner 43,000 actual miles
> http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5778183948.html
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Re: [MBZ] o'bungler's chickens coming home to roost

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

> --R wrote:
> > Do the Mennonites
> > actually follow the full moon for their celebratory events?
> 
> I gotta learn to read...
> mao

You're thinking of the Moonies, a South Korean religion. They all get married 
together and honeymoon together.

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