Re: [MBZ] Butchers: Best splice for high current wires

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Curly, et al.
I have used crimp connector successfully for years. The crimper that I use is a 
Thomas and Betts staking crimper. This has a small 'tang' in the crimping area 
that welds the connector and the wire together by pressure. Makes the crimp 
almost impossible to undo, though I tried it out of curiosity once, very 
difficult and a mess when finished. The 'standard' crimpers are worthless, all 
that they do is squeeze the connector tube into a sort of oval. To be complete, 
the join must be a gas-tight connection. Electricians use pliers, usually Klein 
Tools, or some copy made in a faraway place, to crimp copper caps over wires 
for grounds, (usually). So, with the correct tool, crimping butt connectors 
does work. There are also butt connectors that have glue in them to form an 
heat activated shrink seal after crimping. I have used that type to attach the 
wires to a well pump that still works as designed, lo these many years.
Confused yet?
YMMV
Fred


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curly McLain via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 08 December 2015 15:37
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curly McLain
Subject: [MBZ] Butchers:  Best splice for high current wires

This apparently didn't go out, but seems some may have seen it.

In case all y'all have not been following the saga of POSitive, the
"new" 87 300D, tonight I found the butchers had cut all the wires in
back of the ign switch, rather than umplug the plug and plug it into
a new switch, and hat would have been unnecessary had they simply
replaced the ign key lock with a new key lock.

One wire was burned clear through, one hanging by a few strands and a
couple more fell out of the butt connectors when I started moving
things around.

the wires on plug were cut very near the plug, so the first order is
to get another plug with wires long enough to splice.

that brings up the question:

What is the best way to splice  the wires to allow full  current?
Several are roughly 10 GA and the purple is maybe 20 ga.   If there
was room to get the harness out to work on it, I'd solder em with a
torch.  There is no room for that under the dash.We know the
heater burned 25 amp fuses, leading to the separate 30 amp strip fuse
under the hood.

The butchers used crimp on butt connectors, leading to the heater/acc
wire burning through and others are less than good connections.   The
best solution is to take out the whole donor harness and replace it,
but I have the feeling that would be perhaps worse than an
evapectomy.  Some splice should work.  I don't thing there is enough
room in there for wire nuts.  Wire nuts allow near full current with
little loss.

What's the best way to splice wires without taking up a lot of space
or soldering the splice?
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Re: [MBZ] All It Needs is a "Tun Up".

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

And a 6 cyl OM617!


From: Mercedes  on behalf of WILTON via Mercedes 

Sent: 05 December 2015 19:12
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: WILTON
Subject: Re: [MBZ] All It Needs is a "Tun Up".

An '86 123?  Really?

Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] All It Needs is a "Tun Up".

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Re: [MBZ] 124 Rear LCA

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Curly.
Cheap hydraulic press, 12 ton. When I first used it on an AMC rear axle pinion, 
about 10 years ago, the supplied assembly bolts failed by blowing past my ear, 
going the width of the garden and hitting my neighbors garage with a loud bang! 
Replaced the bolts with high quality AMERICAN bolts and no trouble since.
Basically an hydraulic jack in a frame, very useful, if fraught with potential 
dangers.
Be safe out there.
Fred
p.s. If the bolt had hit me in the eye, I'd probably be dead. Or perhaps 
smarter.


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curly McLain via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 04 December 2015 18:56
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curly McLain
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Rear LCA

The HF ball joint press?   What did you use for the anvil and cup?
Unfortunately, my HF press is far away.

I'll probably end up taking the wheel carrier out and taking it
someplace to get the new joint pressed in.
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Rear LCA

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Curly.
Cheap hydraulic press, 12 ton. When I first used it on an AMC rear axle pinion, 
about 10 years ago, the supplied assembly bolts failed by blowing past my ear, 
going the width of the garden and hitting my neighbors garage with a loud bang! 
Replaced the bolts with high quality AMERICAN bolts and no trouble since.
Basically an hydraulic jack in a frame, very useful, if fraught with potential 
dangers.
Be safe out there.
Fred
p.s. If the bolt had hit me in the eye, I'd probably be dead. Or perhaps 
smarter.


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curly McLain via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 04 December 2015 18:56
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curly McLain
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Rear LCA

The HF ball joint press?   What did you use for the anvil and cup?
Unfortunately, my HF press is far away.

I'll probably end up taking the wheel carrier out and taking it
someplace to get the new joint pressed in.
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Re: [MBZ] San Bernardino

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Exactly!
You all look normal to me.
Fred.


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Kaleb C. Striplin 
via Mercedes 
Sent: 04 December 2015 19:43
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Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin
Subject: Re: [MBZ] San Bernardino

Exactly. How do you separate the crazy people from the non crazy people?


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Re: [MBZ] 124 Rear LCA

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Curly.
I have used an HFTools  (cheap) press to install both inner and outer joints on 
the rear LCA. On two 190Dt but the W124 is the same.
The inner is a metalastic joint and the outer is a semi ball swivel joint, 
Lubed with a little tallow soap, I use tyre mounting goo, RuGlyde. (sp).
YMMV
Fred


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curly McLain via 
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Sent: 04 December 2015 17:15
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curly McLain
Subject: [MBZ] 124 Rear LCA

On the "new" 300D, the left rear LCA has a loose joint at the
outside.  This is the bushing in the wheel carrier.Has anyone
successfully replaced this?  I took the wheel carriers to the local
alignment shop before, but  don't have that here.   The official tool
is something like $225, and I don't want to spend that much.

Ja, I know, Dave M, has done it, but he has the official tool, and
more money to spend on cars than I do.

I'm wondering if it can be done properly with a bolt and sockets.

Spent yesterday replacing the rear subframe bushings.  I'm getting
pretty good at it.   No special tools, just jackstands and a good
floor jack.   (also hammer and small chisel, and a screwdriver type
HF prybar)   The new ones were Boge in Lemforder boxes from
RMEuropean.  I think I could do it in may 2 hours next time.

This time I coated the new parts with soapy water,  then ran a bead
of dawn around the leading edge.  That worked much better, or the
Boge parts were a better fit than the last time.
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Re: [MBZ] 124 tachometers

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Curly.
The pickup is viewable from the top but accessed from underneath.
Fred


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curly McLain via 
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Sent: 02 December 2015 13:52
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curly McLain
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 tachometers

>Check the connection for the Hall effect pickup at the rear of the
>engine.  It often gets corroded, being exposed to road splash, and
>gives an intermittent or very low signal.  Mine works (as does the
>idle speed control) only when it's wet, never have gotten around to
>fixing it.
>
>Might be a bad hall effect pickup, it's in the bell housing above
>the starter if I remember correctly.
>
>Peter

Thanks Fred and Peter for this info.  Is the sensor accessed from the
hood or from underneath the car?
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Re: [MBZ] OT (Mercedes question)

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Curt.
Warm, at this time of year, is a relative measure. I meant that it is warm 
enough to get the task accomplished without 
without losing some important parts of  my anatomy.
Would it get warm enough under the chaincase to ignite said piddle pads? Sorry, 
dumb question.  Is there any way to suction out the oil first?
You snowmobilers have all the fun! (And a garage too!)
Fred.


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curt Raymond via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 02 December 2015 14:11
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT (Mercedes question)

Is it going to get that warm? I'm going to try to replace the track on my 
snowmobile. About the same level of fun as your job I think. Worst part is I 
have to pull the drive axle which means draining the chaincase. Nobody ever 
puts a drain plug under the chaincase so you fill the belly pan of the sled 
with chain oil. I wonder if I could get a couple of the oil piddle pads and 
stuff 'em down there to catch it...
-Curt
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[MBZ] OT (Mercedes question)

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

FFolks.

I going to be replacing the pumpkin for the '87 300TD this weekend and I wanted 
to ask if there were any caveats? I have the 3 mounts to be replaced, also. The 
drive joints, center mount and bearing were replaced previously, as was the LHS 
wheel bearing.

The diff. whines a basso profundo lament as power is applied.

Supposed to go up to 60 deg. this weekend and this may well be my last chance.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] OT (Mercedes question) Diff Change

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Craig.
Thanks for the reply.
I do have the wrench (bit) for the axles.


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Craig via Mercedes 

Sent: 02 December 2015 01:03
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Craig
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT (Mercedes question)  Diff Change

On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 18:42:42 -0600 Curly McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Assuming you have the special wrench for the axle bolts, it is pretty
> simple.  unbolt the axles, unbolt the flex disk.  loosen the mount,
> and drop it out.

Some pumpkins do not use axle bolts requiring the special wrench. Our
1982 240D and the 300D differential that went into it required draining
the gear oil, removing the back of the diff, and removing a circlip for
each half-shaft.


Craig












> >FFolks.
> >
> >I going to be replacing the pumpkin for the '87 300TD this weekend
> >and I wanted to ask if there were any caveats? I have the 3 mounts
> >to be replaced, also. The drive joints, center mount and bearing
> >were replaced previously, as was the LHS wheel bearing.
> >
> >The diff. whines a basso profundo lament as power is applied.
> >
> >Supposed to go up to 60 deg. this weekend and this may well be my last
> >chance.
> >
> >
> >Fred Moir.
> >Lynn MA.
> >Diesel preferred.
>
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oil pressure gauge and do
something about the failed
hood paint and attend to the
headlight switch)
 '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville Van (affectionately dubbed the BRV,
 the Big Red Van)
Past:'95 E320   Sebastian  135 kmi   RIP
 '94 E420   Oskar  127 kmi   RIP
 '86 190E/2.3
 '72 220/8
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 '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi

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Re: [MBZ] 124 tachometers

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Yup. The pickup is located drivers side low on the edge of the bell housing.
The 2 pin plug/socket on mine is passengers side behind the thin plastic cover 
near the heaters mono valve.
Have fun and an ale or three.
Fred.


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curly McLain via 
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Sent: 02 December 2015 04:26
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curly McLain
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 tachometers

>Curly.
>My '87 TD had an intermittent Tach which then died.
>It turned out to be the small ground wire(s), under the large main
>ground wire bolted to the shock mount, were broken off. On my TD the
>shock mount was coming adrift at the seams, thus fatigued the wires
>that eventually failed.
>YMMV.
>Fred

Thanks,  I'll check that, and try direct ground also on both.
All other info and suggestions welcome.

Seems I remember hearing tell of a CPS on the flywheel
somewhere.  Is that the source of the tach signal.

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Re: [MBZ] 124 tachometers

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Curly.
My '87 TD had an intermittent Tach which then died.
It turned out to be the small ground wire(s), under the large main ground wire 
bolted to the shock mount, were broken off. On my TD the shock mount was coming 
adrift at the seams, thus fatigued the wires that eventually failed.
YMMV.
Fred


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curly McLain via 
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Sent: 02 December 2015 02:25
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curly McLain
Subject: [MBZ] 124 tachometers

I seem to have 2 124 Diesels ( 87 300D) with non working tachometers.

I have a couple of spare Klimas, so I can try swapping them and the
OVP relay to start.  I did that on one of them before with no change.
Also tried direct ground on the cluster with no effect.   OVP relays,
I have to swap from another car, but that is possible.

Anyone BTDT?  One idles real slow, then fast, then slow, etc without
any apparent rhyme or reason.  The other just idles too slow.  I am
pretty sure the idle speed and the tach are related some how.

Where does the tach signal originate?  The tach signal goes to the
klima, then out, I believe.

Possible self destructing insulation on the wire bundles?  I thought
87 Diesels were prior to the problems.
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Re: [MBZ] OT (Mercedes question)

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Max, Peter, et al.
Thanks for the insights. I am really looking forward to being semi-prone and 
dirty and cold and pi**sed-off this weekend.
Wish me luck! ( Or perhaps, patience)
Thanks.
Fred


From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Max Dillon via 
Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: 02 December 2015 01:27
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT (Mercedes question)

There is an ABS sensor plug with an o-ring, you may need to renew that o-ring.

The bolts for the half axles (and the half-moon washers) are one-time-use, but 
you'll probably be safe if you clean the bolts with a wire brush and use 
lock-tite.

Other than that, just dirty, heavy work.  Watch out for damaging the SLS 
hydraulic lines.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 1, 2015 7:20:04 PM EST, Fred Moir via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>FFolks.
>
>I going to be replacing the pumpkin for the '87 300TD this weekend and
>I wanted to ask if there were any caveats? I have the 3 mounts to be
>replaced, also. The drive joints, center mount and bearing were
>replaced previously, as was the LHS wheel bearing.
>
>The diff. whines a basso profundo lament as power is applied.
>
>Supposed to go up to 60 deg. this weekend and this may well be my last
>chance.
>
>
>Fred Moir.
>Lynn MA.
>Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] Calculators

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Does a Picket count?  Plus a TI 83 plus?


From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via Mercedes 

Sent: 30 November 2015 15:03
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Calculators

I still have my K slide rule - does that count?

>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Calculators

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Pencil.
Circular calculators
Pickett 1010 ES Trig
At Raytheon
Friden
Wang 
Univac 1108 (Excedrin headache 1108)
After that
Dec machines
Then IBM PC from Sears.

Jeez! I'm almost older than dirt.

And somewhere in all that a Bomar Brain and a tubular slip-stick.

From: Mercedes  on behalf of Greg Fiorentino via 
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Sent: 30 November 2015 20:45
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Cc: Greg Fiorentino
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Calculators

I still have a couple of Picketts from back in the day. The first
calculators I used were huge things with gears and levers needed for my
statistics classes. Later I had an electronic brick with lit up numbers.

Greg
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[MBZ] Fw: Mercedes 300SD Diessel

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

617 anyone?


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



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Re: [MBZ] Could Someone Please..

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I thought LSD plus psilocybin by someone with a Cinderella complex.


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I understand that, but most sow cars have some sort of a theme.  That thing 
looks like it was put together by a schizophrenic on acid.

Dan


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>
> On 17/11/2015 3:57 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> …explain to me what this is?
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[MBZ] Fw: COMPLETE 1999 Mercedes Engine E320 V6 cylinder - 140, 000 Original Miles

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Not mine.


Fred Moir.
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Re: [MBZ] 124 blower motor

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Kaleb, etal.
Moi aussi.
My 1987 300TD has same problem.
Any info will be much appreciated

From: Mercedes  on behalf of Kaleb C. Striplin 
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Subject: [MBZ] 124 blower motor

Working on a 124, blower not working.  It used to work a while but would
blow fuse.  Replaced fuse and at some point it quit working again but
fuse if not blow.  I am getting no power to either side of the fuse.
Where should I look for the issue?  Trying to locate wiring diagram now.

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[MBZ] Lubricheck.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Bought one and tried it on 4 cars.

1 Volvo V40.

One 190Dt

Two '87 300TD

The Volvo and TDs showed good readings and the 190Dt was very bad.

The Volvo reads 2 on the scale, due for an oil change according to time/mileage.

The 300TDs showed very good on a scale of 1-10 read 1.

They have been used  regularly.

The 190Dt has been off the road for 4 years and only infrequently run in the 
driveway. This showed 9 (in the red) on the 1-10 scale.

I know that this is only a comparative measurement and will need to be verified 
by a lab test.

YMMV


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] Who needs a cheap imitation sawzall?

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Pedicure?


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Andrew Strasfogel 
via Mercedes 
Sent: 06 November 2015 14:23
To: Curt Raymond; Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Who needs a cheap imitation sawzall?

OK, another naive question:  what sort of job requires a sawzall?

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I've got a HF compressor thats pretty good although very loud. The one I
> had before it only died because I forgot to put oil in it...
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Bumster making the US poorer and weaker:

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Queen Hil?
Hitler disarmed the population by requiring that all firearms to be registered.
And so history will repeat itself, again!
Fred.



From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curly McLain via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 05 November 2015 02:28
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curly McLain
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bumster making the US poorer and weaker:

>    From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>
>Market is flooded with guns.  Bad idea for future capital appreciation.
>snip
>

The big city Social-marx-commun-ists (D) are not worried about that.
In their head, when the hil bob is in power, queen hil will decree
the peons must turn in their guns.  That'll solve all the problems.
()
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Re: [MBZ] More on Cellulosic Ethanol

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Only an apple with a worm in it is fit to eat.


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curly McLain via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 02 November 2015 17:48
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curly McLain
Subject: Re: [MBZ] More on Cellulosic Ethanol

I am not a big fan of harvesting stalks or "stover" as it is called
in the industry. (because it includes cobs.)   As usual, Herr Mann is
"Right on."  Soil is built up by the decomposition of biomass on the
ground.  Add an occasional fire for BioChar, and you get good soil.
That is how it has been done for eons.  (With or Without people)

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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Way OT: Where does my dryer vent?

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Byssinosis? Brown lung? Monday cough?
>From spinning mills before OSHA.


From: Mercedes  on behalf of WILTON via Mercedes 

Sent: 31 October 2015 15:07
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: WILTON
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw:  Way OT: Where does my dryer vent?

Yep, I considered pneumoconiosis, but didn't feel confident enough to
suggest it.  ;<)
Anyway, a potentially serious lung problem.
'Point is it's not good to suck heavily lint-laden air into your lungs for
most of the day every day.

Wilton

- Original Message -
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Way OT: Where does my dryer vent?


>
>> Lungs getting clogged with fibers much like asbestosis or silicosis -
>> 'can't remember what it's called.  Fibrosis?
>> Wilton
>
> Closest would be pneumoconiosis which is any disease caused by the
> inhalation of dust. Asbestosis is the commonest disease caused by the
> inhalation of fibers.
> http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/pneumoconiosis
>
> Pulmonary fibrosis is in non-technical terms "scarring of the lungs" and
> not necessarily related to inhaled foreign matter.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibrosis
>
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Politickz

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

"Once elected, they don't really have to fulfill the promises."
This country is a Republic!
There is no legal requirement to represent our interest.
Doh!


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Randy Bennell via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 30 October 2015 15:47
To: Curt Raymond; Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Randy Bennell
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Poos Mobile

They all know it.
They hope you do not know it.
They have to promise you all of the things they think you want in order
to get elected.
Once elected, they don't really have to fulfill the promises.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] ?

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Wilton.
I'm just waiting for Luke so that we can go get my snowblower.
My Wagon is in the shop having the SLS fixed.
Fred


From: Mercedes  on behalf of WILTON via Mercedes 

Sent: 29 October 2015 14:17
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: WILTON
Subject: [MBZ] ?
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Re: [MBZ] ?

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Curly.
Yah forgot a step, jack up the hubcaps.


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curly McLain via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 29 October 2015 14:53
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curly McLain
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ?

Its easy!

Remove engine and trans
remove front subframe
Replace motor mounts
Reassemble

See   Simple!


>Come help me change the engine mounts on the SD.  Daughter unit has
>me doing this instead of what I should be doing.
>
>--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT - GEORGE TALES-SUPPLY

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Ya gotta a da ingenuity!
First class fixes!


From: Mercedes  on behalf of WILTON via Mercedes 

Sent: 23 October 2015 18:20
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: WILTON
Subject: [MBZ] OT - GEORGE TALES-SUPPLY

Yep, another one already.

GEORGE - SUPPLY
By Wilton Strickland, LtCol, USAF (Ret)

 Not long after I arrived at George, our paint shop foreman asked me to
go to the base Laundromat with him to study a problem with the painted floor
and offer suggestions for a solution.  He had been frustrated for years by
not being able to get the paint to adhere properly.  "In spite of all we've
tried, it bubbles up and just peels off," he said.
 At the laundry, I immediately noticed that the floor was nearly covered
with little "pimple-looking" bubbles.  I reached down and popped several of
the bubbles and found them filled with water.  I stood and said to the
painter, "Water vapor is rising through the concrete and condensing under
the paint causing it to bubble and peel.  The concrete obviously does not
have a vapor barrier beneath it and would work better not painted at all,
though it may not look so good.  This would allow the water vapor to
evaporate and never be noticed.  Let me think about it overnight.  I'll talk
to you about again tomorrow."
 Late that afternoon, I went to the local Sears store for something,
and, as I approached the hardware department, I noticed indoor/outdoor
carpet on the floor.  I suddenly had the solution to the laundry floor
problem!  The next day, I told the painter, "Remove the paint from the floor
and install indoor/outdoor carpet with a short pile.  Don't glue it to the
floor.  Make sure it's porous, of course, the water vapor must be allowed to
rise through the carpet and evaporate."  We never had another problem with
the Laundromat  floor.
 Most of my Air Force time before George was in B-47 aircraft
maintenance (crew chief) and B-52 flight operations, both of which had a
significantly higher supply priority than civil engineering maintenance
parts.  Early in my tour at George, I became very frustrated by the
sluggishness and inefficiency of the overall Air Force supply system.  This
was best illustrated when a housewife on base called me and vented her
frustration at not having a working kitchen faucet for well over six months.
I asked our mechanical section superintendent to investigate the situation.
A couple of hours later, he showed me several pieces of paperwork indicating
that a part costing less than two dollars had been on order for the
offending faucet for several months.  He assured me that the plumbers were
doing all they could to repair the faucet; it was up to the supply system to
provide the part.
 I told him, "A stack of papers a mile high will not make water run in
that lady's sink.  Please take this five-dollar bill and stop by a hardware
store on your way home tonight, get the appropriate part and see that the
faucet is fixed tomorrow."
 Late the next morning, he reported that the faucet had been repaired
and handed me approximately $3 in change from my five-dollar bill.  (By the
way, if the faucet had been in my home, even on base, I would have taken
some personal initiative to find the part and get the faucet fixed myself
instead of waiting for "Uncle" to provide everything.  Of course "Uncle" had
promised to do it, so, indeed, it was our responsibility to do so.)
 A few months later, our electrical section superintendent came into the
office and told me that he had been at the Wing Commander's house trying to
repair a dimmer switch for a dining room chandelier.  The commander's wife
was quite upset that she would be unable to have the chandelier working
properly for a dinner party she was having that evening.  The superintendent
told her that he could replace the switch immediately with a simple on/off
switch, but it would probably take six months or more to get the proper
dimmer.  I told him to follow me home, just around the corner about 3 houses
from the commander's home.   There, I gave him an appropriate dimmer that my
brother, an electrical wholesaler in NC, had given me a couple of years
before.  When the ordered dimmer arrived by way of the regular supply system
several months later, the superintendent came in and laid it on my desk to
replace the one I had provided.
 I could not understand why we could not have a system to allow us to
buy hardware and materials from local hardware stores and building supply
centers.  These vendors would be glad to get the business and would keep a
supply of parts and materials readily available or be able to get it much
faster than the regular Air Force supply system was doing.  I learned later
that, by coincidence, such a system was already being planned.  The system,
called COCESS (Contractor Operated Civil Engineering Supply Store), required
a contractor to keep a certain number of parts 

Re: [MBZ] w124 dash

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

1987 300TD
Evaporator.
In order of succession, oldest to newest.
000 830 30 58
000 830 52 58
000 830 54 58
124 830 06 58
124 830 07 58


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Karl Wittnebel via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 23 October 2015 20:22
To: mercedes@okiebenz com
Cc: Karl Wittnebel
Subject: Re: [MBZ] w124 dash

Ok thanks. A few more questions if I may:

1. Anyone have a part number for an A/C evaporator for an 87 wagon? Seems
to be $517 list from MB. I want a copper one, but that is truly spendy.

2. Do heater cores go bad in 87 w124s?

3. Do 87 w124 cars suffer from the center vent actuator failure problem?

Thinking I should replace everything while the dash is out.

Thx,
K
On Oct 23, 2015 5:48 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes. And not all post 92 cars had air bag. It was optional.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 23, 2015, at 3:58 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Kaleb says it is the same dash either way, glove box and airbag fit into
> > same hole?
> >> On Oct 22, 2015 4:25 PM, "clay via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dash needs to be pre-1992, as they added air bag in the glove box hole
> >> later on.
> >>
> >> clay
> >>
> >>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 6:29 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> Decided to upgrade wagons two years to an 87 wagon with a 606 swap.
> >> Anyway
> >>> it has some interior issues and I need a bit of help.
> >>>
> >>> 1. The dash is quite cracked up. My plan is have replacement installed.
> >>> Replacements are available on ebay but I don't know if later w124 dash
> >> will
> >>> work for the 1987. Are there airbag differences? I know it is a big job
> >>> yada yada.
> >>>
> >>> 2. It has some aggressive wheels and german lowered springs on it, and
> >> the
> >>> right front rubs a bit on the liner. My plan is to put SL 16" dinner
> >> plate
> >>> wheels on it. It already has the 129 front calipers. Anybody have a set
> >> of
> >>> these wheels? I guess they would be 7.5 or 7 inch width in front?
> Current
> >>> wheels are 18x8" with 245 rubber, and it barely rubs, so anything
> smaller
> >>> would probably work. Not sure what year SL wheels I am looking for.
> >>>
> >>> 3. Need some door cards in back. Front seats and cards are leather
> from a
> >>> 400, so maybe rear TE door cards would match?
> >>>
> >>> 4. Rear 3rd tail light. Apparently these are all broken. Is there a
> known
> >>> replacement that is less than $400 from Germany?
> >>>
> >>> 5. Rear tail lights. Anyone use the chinese LED replacements? Are they
> >>> serviceable? I understand the originals are now difficult to source.
> >> Need a
> >>> set of two probably.
> >>>
> >>> 6. Trailer hitch would be nice. Are the euro versions still available?
> >>>
> >>> 7. Need a right front window regulator if anyone has one.
> >>>
> >>> That's about it apart from some new console wood.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for thoughts or sources for any of the above,
> >>>
> >>> Karl
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[MBZ] Fw: Mercedes 300D 1976 great deal! Diesel

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Not mine. (dammit!)

3 hours from me.

Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Frederick Moir 
Sent: 19 October 2015 23:15
To: Fred Moir
Subject: Fw: Mercedes 300D 1976 great deal! Diesel


Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred.

Mercedes 300D 1976 great deal! Diesel
http://burlington.craigslist.org/cto/5273995910.html
Mercedes 300D 1976 great deal! Diesel
I have a silver mercedes 300D 4 door, 5cylinder automatic transmission, west 
coast car. This mercedes runs and drives well, pretty clean body for the year, 
small amount of battery tray rust. It could
Read more...



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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Mercedes 300D 1976 great deal! Diesel

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Dwight.
When temptation beckons, jump right in. Moderation is for monks.
R.A.H.
Fred


From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Dwight Giles via 
Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Sent: 20 October 2015 01:53
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Dwight Giles
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Mercedes 300D 1976 great deal! Diesel

You tempt my w115 lust Fred.
On Oct 19, 2015 7:18 PM, "Fred Moir via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> Not mine. (dammit!)
>
> 3 hours from me.
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
>
>
> 
> From: Frederick Moir <fredy4.s...@yahoo.com>
> Sent: 19 October 2015 23:15
> To: Fred Moir
> Subject: Fw: Mercedes 300D 1976 great deal! Diesel
>
>
> Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred.
>
> Mercedes 300D 1976 great deal! Diesel
> http://burlington.craigslist.org/cto/5273995910.html
> Mercedes 300D 1976 great deal! Diesel
> I have a silver mercedes 300D 4 door, 5cylinder automatic transmission,
> west coast car. This mercedes runs and drives well, pretty clean body for
> the year, small amount of battery tray rust. It could
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Re: [MBZ] Slotted prechamber ring tool et alia

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Max.
Not yet. Although I thought that you were going to try and re-machine it or 
throw it away as per my suggestion.
When it comes, would you need to use it?
Fred.


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Max Dillon via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 20 October 2015 02:10
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Max Dillon
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slotted prechamber ring tool et alia

Did you get the tool I ordered for you Fred?
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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[MBZ] Slotted prechamber ring tool et alia

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

The prechamber tool from Samstag is $56 plus shipping.

The part is made in Serbia by 4M company part No. 4M-008 for 15 Euros about 
$17-18.

I have seen the tool and it is shorter and more robust than the Sir Tools one.

If shipping was not too much, this would be a considerable savings over 
domestic suppliers.

www.4m.rs


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Re: [MBZ] Lubricheck Digital Oil Tester

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Magic!


From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via Mercedes 

Sent: 19 October 2015 01:50
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: OK Don
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lubricheck Digital Oil Tester

How does it work? . . .
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Re: [MBZ] OT bathtub drain repair options

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Max.
Don't you just love that "Made in the USA" quality! Built to last.
DIY vs Plumbers expense feels very good too.


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Max Dillon via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 18 October 2015 12:22
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Max Dillon
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT bathtub drain repair options

I had both drains completed by 5 p.m.

"Guest" bath was a complete replacement, as the seat was severely corroded.  
Went to our real hardware store, bought a special tool, Made in America.  First 
attempt at removing the old drain, no joy, it would not turn while I applied 
the maximum safe torque I felt would not brake the four post cross at the 
bottom of the drain.  Ran hot water over it for a couple minutes, and then it 
came out.  Took old drain back to hardware store to get a perfect replacement.  
About $35 for tool, new drain, small tub of plumbers putty.

Master bath has a real brass drain, it only needed cleaning with a wire brush 
and a new O-ring, 39 cents, plus some plumbers grease.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 17, 2015 4:00:03 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>My offer is good until midnight.
>


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Re: [MBZ] Question for Canadians

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Irony?
Because of environmental schtuff, most of the lead probably comes from china!


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Rich Thomas via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 17 October 2015 00:06
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Rich Thomas
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Question for Canadians

It's the only industry that has done well the last 7 years...  oh, the
irony...

--R

On 10/16/15 7:33 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> Since 2008, ammunition and gun sales have set new records each week. While
> the economy has been the worst on record, Americans have voted with their
> wallet in response to the "hope and change agenda". It appears they
> collectively do not feel safe and wish to increase their ability to defend
> themselves.
>
> So... the ammunition shortage is actually a demand spike which hasn't been
> met by manufactures. Information which I've been able to access says they
> are running at full capacity, 3 shifts, 24/7, and still have unfilled
> orders going forward 12 months ahead.
>
> That order/demand peaks in a second wave each time a politician waves the
> "more gun control" laws are needed flag...
>
> Americans, it appears, take the whole Bill of Rights seriously... .
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> On 16/10/2015 3:24 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> After 6+ years of being unable to buy 22 Long with 40 grain lead in this
>>> country, I was wondering if the situation is similar in the Great Northern
>>> Provinces.  Are boxes of LR available in Canada, or is this a worldwide
>>> "shortage?"
>>>
>>> When I do see a box or two on the shelf, they are 2-3 times more
>>> expensive than they were 8 years ago, and it it some less popular
>>> variation, like short or long, or some very expensive "match grade" thing.
>>>
>>>
>>> ___
>>>
>> I am not certain of what is or is not readily available as I seldom buy
>> any but my son has complained that sometimes there is a problem getting
>> what he wants.
>> He has been using low power 22LR in an effort to reduce noise as we are
>> not really permitted to shoot out at the lake and do not wish to have
>> neighbors complain. He dispatches as many squirrels as he can in order to
>> keep them out of the cottage. Unfortunately, the low power shells do not
>> work all that well in semi-auto rifles. They don't cycle well.
>>
>> I would say, we are not having quite the "shortages" that I hear you folks
>> talk about but supply is not as good as it once was.
>>
>> RB
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[MBZ] Fw: 1994 e320 wagon

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1987 TD engine swap candidate?


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[MBZ] Fw: Mercedes Benz 280e

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V8 anyone?


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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Mercedes Benz 280e

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Andrew.
Needs restoration = Jack-up the hubcaps and slide a new car in.
Fred


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Does "needs restoration" imply that it's very shabby but runs and drives?

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> V8 anyone?
>
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> Fred Moir.
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Re: [MBZ] ?

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Score!


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>BMW?

R75/5
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Re: [MBZ] ?

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BMW?


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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

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Nobody here, just us chickens.
Fred


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[MBZ] 1965 Mercedes Coupe Seb/c

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Beautiful dreamer.


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[MBZ] Fw: 1999 Mercedes 320 Diesel

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Not mine, etc.


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Re: [MBZ] Small Mystery Solved.

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Mitch.
Yup! That's me. A day late and a dollar short.
Fred


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I imagine it's a little late to get a W124 strut tower from Craig...

Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Small Mystery Solved.

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Dwight.
My epitaph will be the same as Spike Milligan's, "I told you I was Ill"
Fred.


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Yes that  will be the first line of my epitaph,followed  by "but he
considered it a great adventure".
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> Yup! That's me. A day late and a dollar short.
> Fred
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> I imagine it's a little late to get a W124 strut tower from Craig...
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[MBZ] Small Mystery Solved.

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FFolks.

My rusty and not so trusty 124.193 lost it tach signal some time ago.

The loose shock tower that was breaking the ground strap also snapped a small 
brown wire that is part of the tach circuit. Simple repair and now this non 
driveable car has it's tachometer working: which also enables the idle circuit 
control as well. There were two broken brown wires, the other one is still an 
unknown.

Small steps. Vacuumed out the battery area, removing the last vestiges of the 
battery tray's flakes and surveyed the damage. (Oh dear!). More to come. (Duck 
and cover).


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Re: [MBZ] Small Mystery Solved.

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Kaleb.
Loose shock tower. Self explanatory.
My rusty and not-so-trusty W124 wagon has a serious rust problem at the 
battery/shock tower area. I'm still trying to decide whether to fix it, or not.
Dimitri proposed a Welding Q. We just need an enclosed space with light, heat, 
power and a flat floor, a lift would  be nice too. Dream on.


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Small Mystery Solved.

What do you mean by loose shock tower?

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> On Sep 23, 2015, at 2:50 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
>
> FFolks.
>
> My rusty and not so trusty 124.193 lost it tach signal some time ago.
>
> The loose shock tower that was breaking the ground strap also snapped a small 
> brown wire that is part of the tach circuit. Simple repair and now this non 
> driveable car has it's tachometer working: which also enables the idle 
> circuit control as well. There were two broken brown wires, the other one is 
> still an unknown.
>
> Small steps. Vacuumed out the battery area, removing the last vestiges of the 
> battery tray's flakes and surveyed the damage. (Oh dear!). More to come. 
> (Duck and cover).
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
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[MBZ] Fw: 2015 ChowdahQ Eight fast approaching

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Fred Moir.
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From: "Dwight E Giles Jr"
Date: Aug 26, 2015 5:41:18 PM
Subject: 2015 ChowdahQ Eight fast approaching
To: "'82 TD '" com>, "'Burt Anderson'" ctsa...@mac.com>, "'Curt Raymond'" 
, "'david sherwood'" , "'Fred 
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, "'Luke'" , 
"'rob johnston'" com>, "'Ron Giles'" , "'Roy Noepel'" 
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Just a reminder: Saturday Sept 19, 2015 will be the Eighth Annual Mercedes Benz 
(and other interesting vehicles-we might have a TDI row) ) Chowdah Fest at 
Goddard State Park in Warwick, RI. (Same Sites 40-42) Once again- we will have 
some great new prizes, Curt's Coleman kitchen, famous grill offerings,  and of 
course Karen's famous Chowdah.  Steamed clams will be a new feature this year.  
As always it will be a day of great food, good fun, hood-raising, and spinning 
stories about our beloved Benzes.
We will have coffee, tea, and Dunkin Donuts (It is New England) available about 
10 AM and we will eat lunch about 1 PM.
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1990 300D 2.5t 251K miles
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[MBZ] Fw: Mercedes Benz 300CD parts W123

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Not Mine, etc.


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4 Mercedes Benz (W123) 240D, 300D, 300TD *Parting Out*

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Mercedes Benz 300CD parts W123

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[MBZ] My paatz have returned.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Got my Febi, genyuwine made in germany, spheres today.Thelonius Monk must be 
smiling.

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Re: [MBZ] My paatz have returned.

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Dwight.With any luck Sunday and Monday are fix the car days.TTFN

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 16:50:38 -0400
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] My paatz have returned.
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: dwight.gi...@gmail.com
> 
> Cool. Now to  get them on before the Q? I have new headlight doors on both
> my 123 & 124- the extent of my  pre event tinkering.
> On Sep 12, 2015 4:47 PM, "Fred Moir via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Got my Febi, genyuwine made in germany, spheres today.Thelonius Monk must
> > be smiling.
> >
> > Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
  
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Re: [MBZ] God's plan for aging

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Agreed.A true and gentle knight.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 09:15:02 -0700
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] God's plan for aging
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: g2ma...@gmail.com
> 
> Gentleman
> A little recognized category that comes with age and distinction.
> 
> Thank you Wilton,
> 
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 8:42 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> > Well, I'm 81, but I've never considered myself any of 'em.  Maybe I'm
> > distinguished casual - 5'-10", 180 lbs., white hair, seldom wear a suit and
> > tie any more; "uniform" has become light blue, short sleeve shirt with
> > iPhone in pocket, khaki pants, clean shoes with some sheen (not glossy);
> > always well-groomed - shave, shower, shampoo daily; fingernails
> > well-manicured and clean, haircut every 2 weeks; have all of my original
> > teeth, including several crowns, but minus 4 wisdom teeth; never been a
> > drinker or smoker; I don't chase women (one 60+ years ago has been enough);
> > your wife, daughter, money and property would be safe with me.
> >
> > Wilton (never leapt a tall building, never stopped a train, not faster
> > than speeding bullet, but I've stopped several B-52's and dodged a few
> > bullets and several very fast guided missiles)  ;<)
  
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[MBZ] Was, wherez my Paatz.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Alles.Last night I said that these things come in threes. Well #3 was that this 
morning the olde and rusty '87 300TD was stone dead, no lights, no start, 
again.Broken ground strap. Wait for it. As I was replacing the ground strap, it 
came to my attention that the whole cap of the shock tower was moving in unison 
with my wrench. Sh*t!It is almost adrift, which explains the occasional shimmy 
in the front end.Visions of flying off the road with my grand daughter 
yesterday played in my head.Maybe somebody up there is trying to get my 
attention! Thank you!
Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.   
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Re: [MBZ] Was, wherez my Paatz.

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Meade.Wow! I have not yet decided on the hulk's future and the scavengers are 
out!Seriously, I have not yet decided what the future holds. The antenna is 
kaput, permanently up. The tailgate is keeping the rain out, so far.I'll let 
you (se) know, when the decision is made.
Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 13:01:10 -0400
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was, wherez my Paatz.
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: dillonm...@gmail.com
> 
> Wow, that is _rusty_!  Rusty but no longer trusty.
> 
> So, is the automatic antenna by chance working and how much would it cost
> shipped down this way?  I could also use some tailgate parts...
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Alles.Last night I said that these things come in threes. Well #3 was that
> > this morning the olde and rusty '87 300TD was stone dead, no lights, no
> > start, again.Broken ground strap. Wait for it. As I was replacing the
> > ground strap, it came to my attention that the whole cap of the shock tower
> > was moving in unison with my wrench. Sh*t!It is almost adrift, which
> > explains the occasional shimmy in the front end.Visions of flying off the
> > road with my grand daughter yesterday played in my head.Maybe somebody up
> > there is trying to get my attention! Thank you!
> > Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
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Re: [MBZ] Was, wherez my Paatz.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Curly.Don't think I'll chance it. If it came loose it would, at least bore a 
hole in the hood, whilst giving me the choice of new underwear.

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> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 11:33:49 -0500
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was, wherez my Paatz.
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: 126die...@gmail.com
> 
> >Alles.Last night I said that these things come in threes. Well #3 
> >was that this morning the olde and rusty '87 300TD was stone dead, 
> >no lights, no start, again.Broken ground strap. Wait for it. As I 
> >was replacing the ground strap, it came to my attention that the 
> >whole cap of the shock tower was moving in unison with my wrench. 
> >Sh*t!It is almost adrift, which explains the occasional shimmy in 
> >the front end.Visions of flying off the road with my grand daughter 
> >yesterday played in my head.Maybe somebody up there is trying to get 
> >my attention! Thank you!
> >Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
> >___
> 
> I had that happen in my old 110 rustbucket 190Dc winter car.  I took 
> pieces of sheet metal, and self drilling sheet metal screws and 
> stabilized the shock tower.  I drove it that way a couple more years 
> until the car was permanently retired.   The 124, where the strut is 
> also the suspension may be a little more tricky, but I am sure you 
> can manufacture something to keep the strut bearing in place, M/L.
  
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Re: [MBZ] God's plan for aging

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

I'm becoming an olde coot.
1) Distinguished

2) Duffer

3) Codger

4) Geezer 
5) Coot
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> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 22:25:42 -0400
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: [MBZ] God's plan for aging
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: arche...@embarqmail.com
> 
> Gerry wrote:
> Someone mentioned that there are several of us geezers on the list (those 
> over about 75 years) in a somewhat critical tone. Younger people (those under 
> 65) do find us geezers; with our various deficiencies; threatening or 
> disturbing. Just so they can understand why we have these unique habits, here 
> are explanations of why the Creator designed us this way:  
> 
> > > God's plan for aging
> > > Most seniors never get enough exercise. In His wisdom God decreed that 
> > > seniors become forgetful so they would have to search for their 
> > > glasses, keys and other things thus doing more walking. And God looked 
> > > down and saw that it was good.
> > > Then God saw there was another need. In His wisdom He made seniors 
> > > lose coordination so they would drop things requiring them to bend, 
> > > reach & stretch. And God looked down and saw that it was good.
> > > Then God considered the function of bladders and decided seniors would 
> > > have additional calls of nature requiring more trips to the bathroom, 
> > > thus providing more exercise. God looked down and saw that it was good.
> > > So if you find as you age, you are getting up and down more, remember 
> > > it’s God’s will. It is all in your best interest even though you 
> > > mutter under your breath.
> 
> > > Nine Important Facts To Remember As We Grow Older
> > > #9 Death is the number 1 killer in the world.
> > > #8 Life is sexually transmitted.
> > > #7 Good health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.
> > > #6 Men have 2 motivations: hunger and hanky panky, and they can't tell 
> > > them apart. If you see a gleam in his eyes, make him a sandwich.
> > > #5 Give a person a fish and you feed them for a day. Teach a person to 
> > > use the Internet and they won't bother you for weeks, months, maybe 
> > > years.
> > > #4 Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in the 
> > > hospital, dying of nothing.
> > > #3 All of us could take a lesson from the weather. It pays no 
> > > attention to criticism.
> > > #2 In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the 
> > > world is weird, and people take Prozac to make it normal.
> > > #1 Life is like a jar of jalapeno peppers. What you do today may be a 
> > > burning issue tomorrow.
> 
> 
> We geezers allow for the shortsightedness of youth (those under 65) who 
> assiduously ignore the fact that in a few short years they will be geezers 
> too.
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Wherz my Paatz?

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Mao.What indeed?!The local, Lynn MA, people sorted it out for me. Hooray for 
the human touch!

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> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 10:46:22 -0500
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wherz my Paatz?
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: maontin@gmail.com
> 
> Fred wrote:
> > ...and now, instead of bowling merrily down the 'pike to Boston/Lynn, they 
> > are off on a scenic ride to Michigan. The Magic Kingdom of USPS has me 
> > baffled...
> >
> 
> My shipment has gone from Providence to my local USPS and out for
> delivery yesterday and then it sez it is in Santa Cruz in the same
> day.  What is rong with this Magic Kingdom USPS these days?
> mao
  
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Re: [MBZ] Was, wherez my Paatz.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Max.The "Coal-scuttle" that holds the upper rubber mount is almost adrift.I had 
been contemplating a welding spree, now I don't know, as I have my hands full 
with the green one.Chowdah Q is almost upon us.

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> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 13:07:58 -0400
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was, wherez my Paatz.
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: dillonm...@gmail.com
> 
> Randy, it is a strut but not a coil-over strut (there is a separate
> spring).  Very bad if the upper strut came free, but not quite as bad as
> the loss of control when the ball joint lets go.
> 
> Fred, thinking a little further, perhaps the issue is the rubber strut
> mount (replaceable with ease) and not the surrounding sheet metal
> (replaceable with advanced metallurgy skills and welding equipment)?
> Max
> Charleston SC
  
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Re: [MBZ] Turn signal/flasher 240D

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Bob.Missing a ground? Or wrong bulb?
YMMV
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> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 11:30:16 -0400
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Turn signal/flasher 240D
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: rdeaf...@aol.com
> 
>  
> My  left turn signal and flashers ( Mercedes) do not work when my parking 
> lights or  headlights are on. Any suggestions? Works fine and flashers work 
> fine when no  lights on. 
> This  is my friends 1982 240D - Any suggestions guys  ?? 
> Bob
  
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[MBZ] Wherz my Paatz?

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

I was expecting my accumulators today or tomorrow. However they made it from 
Windsor CT. to Springfield MA in only 2 days, and now, instead of bowling 
merrily down the 'pike to Boston/Lynn, they are off on a scenic ride to 
Michigan. The Magic Kingdom of USPS has me baffled, confused even.I knocked 
over the TV and broke it. These things come in threes, so I'm off to bed!And to 
all, a good night.

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Re: [MBZ] 'ello?

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Dwight.Like. Is , or not to was, that is the ask?I could depopulate the park in 
0.03 microseconds flat.
Even the flies had tears in their eyes and the clocks going round the wrong way.
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> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2015 09:15:54 -0400
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 'ello?
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: dwight.gi...@gmail.com
> 
> Impressive Fred, nevertheless. Maybe you can recite Shakespeare at the
> ChowdahQ. Could be a new feature.
> On Sep 6, 2015 11:19 PM, "Fred Moir via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Mea Culpa.I read Henry V when I was 17 and my memory ain't what it
> > was.Thank you for the correction.
  
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Re: [MBZ] 'ello?

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Mea Culpa.I read Henry V when I was 17 and my memory ain't what it was.Thank 
you for the correction.

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> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 16:03:52 -0500
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 'ello?
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: fmi...@gmail.com
> 
> > Fred wrote:
> > 
> > Henry V, at Agincourt, his rev-up-the-troops speech.
> > Once more into the breach, dear friends, once more and fill
> > up the gaps with our english dead. etc.
> 
> That is a slight mis-quote. It is "Once more __unto__ the breach..."
> 
>  Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;
>  Or close the wall up with our English dead.
>  In peace there's nothing so becomes a man
>  As modest stillness and humility:
>  But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
>  Then imitate the action of the tiger;
> 
> 
> Henry V does say "into the breach" - but elsewhere.
> 
>  For you shall read that my great-grandfather
>  Never went with his forces into France
>  But that the Scot on his unfurnish'd kingdom
>  Came pouring, like the tide into a breach,
  
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[MBZ] 'ello?

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

'Ello, 'ello, 'ello?

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Re: [MBZ] 'ello?

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Wilton.And gentlemen now abed in England will feel themselves accursed that 
they were not here on St Swithin's day! Or what ever beautiful day this is.

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> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 10:45:03 -0400
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 'ello?
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: wilt...@nc.rr.com
> 
> Ah yep.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Fred Moir via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: "Fred Moir" <fredh.s...@hotmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2015 10:39 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] 'ello?
> 
> 
> > 'Ello, 'ello, 'ello?
> > 
> > Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.  
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Re: [MBZ] 'ello?

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Wilton, Max.Henry V, at Agincourt, his rev-up-the-troops speech.Once more into 
the breach, dear friends, once more and fill up the gaps with our english dead. 
etc.Stamford is a lovely olde town in my birth county of Lincolnshire. Happy 
daze.Stamford Bridge, Yorkshire was the sight of a great battle, english vs 
norsemen.You can't set foot in the UK without stepping on some ones bones.St. 
Swithun (Swithin) was an high church leader before the Norman invasion. He 
seemed to prefer the common people to his peers and many "miracles" were 
observed after his death.Supposedly he wanted to be buried by the side of the 
road, so that people would walk over his grave and to let the rain from the 
eaves fall upon him. Needless to say this did not set too well with the later 
13th and 14th century churchmen and he was buried within the pale and inside 
the church. It rained hard the day his remains were moved and so it is said 
that if it rains July 15th or July 2nd (actual day) it will rain for 40 day
 s, if fair, the same.TMI,I'm sure.Wilton. Watch out for them Inglish, 
they're everywhere.

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> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 14:28:25 -0400
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 'ello?
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: wilt...@nc.rr.com
> 
> Where in England?  #1 grandson just spent 5 days or so with girlfriend and 
> her family in Stamford, UK.  'He's back in Paris now.
> 
> Tell us about St. Swithin.
> 
> BTW, my 7 greats grandfather, Mathew Strickland, immigrated from Cumbria, 
> England, to Isle of Wight Co., Virginia, directly across the James river 
> from Jamestown, in 1680; 'came ashore at Biltmore, MD.
> 
> Wilton
  
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[MBZ] Baggies?

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

http://www.eeuroparts.com/Parts/64732/Accumulator-Rear-Suspension-Level-Control-03277/

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Re: [MBZ] Baggies?

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Andrew.Not so far.Search 1403280515 and you will find a lot of suppliers.HTH

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> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 13:33:41 -0400
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Baggies?
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: astrasfo...@gmail.com
> 
> Thanks.  Any experience with these guys?
> 
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > http://www.eeuroparts.com/Parts/64732/Accumulator-Rear-Suspension-Level-Control-03277/
> >
> > Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Inrush current.

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> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 15:46:18 -0400
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Practical solar application
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: astrasfo...@gmail.com; fmi...@gmail.com
> 
> Thanks - that helps.  I wonder why there is no simple kit that goes from PV
> to 110 V without all the interconnecting parapernalia, battery, inverters,
> etc.
> 
  
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Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon

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My '85 123 TD has black SLS oil, the seals in the engine driven pump have 
failed.New, from J/Y,  pump with new seals will go in next and I hope that the 
engine oil has not rotted the spheres diaphragms.
YMMV
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> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 14:11:03 -0400
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: astrasfo...@gmail.com; dillonm...@gmail.com
> 
> My tech thinks the air cells have gone bad but they are less than 5 years
> old...
> 
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Andrew:  David wrote that black fluid can mean the SLS pump seals are
> > leaking engine oil into the SLS system.
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> > '87 300TD
> > '95 E300
  
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Re: [MBZ] was 300TD woes.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Andrew.The words German-made is the kicker. Many of the lesser german branded 
stuff is made by little old ladies in the orient, knitted out of Mao's old 
socks no doubt.

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 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 12:12:19 -0400
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] was 300TD woes.
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: astrasfo...@gmail.com; fredh.s...@hotmail.com
 
 Not to be stereotypical, but all German-made branded filters are equivalent
 to me.
  
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[MBZ] was 300TD woes.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

The '87 TD is shifting properly again.Changed the trans oil and filter with the 
correct Mann filter, (use anything else and you die).The filter coming out was 
Meyle, origin unknown, and the oil was mostly red with some minor 
particulates..While under there taking off the trans pan, I noticed that the 
front exhaust pipe mount was missing one rubber thingummybob, which was 
replaced forthwith!As I was instructed, replaced the 
mumbleshifterbushingsmumble. The car runs as it should.Tomorrow is fix the 
front seat memory loss and no movement, maybe a laxative?

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Re: [MBZ] was 300TD woes.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Max.
BTDT. No T-Shirt though.

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 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:06:34 -0400
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] was 300TD woes.
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: dillonm...@gmail.com
 
 Seat gremlins: Change ALL the Fuses?
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
  
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Re: [MBZ] was 300TD woes.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Mr Wilton, Sir.Thank you.

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 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 20:31:33 -0400
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] was 300TD woes.
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: wilt...@nc.rr.com
 
 ATTABOY!
 
 Wilton
 
  
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Re: [MBZ] 126 rubber bits was Re: ADMIN

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Andrew.To cover the fact that I don't know any thing about the need to notch 
the housing for a bulb (?) , I made a feeble joke.

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 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 15:10:40 -0400
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 rubber bits was Re: ADMIN
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: astrasfo...@gmail.com; fredh.s...@hotmail.com
 
 How big of a notch?  What sort of tool required?  Degree of difficulty?
 
 On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Andrew.The lamps shown are both clear (yuk!) and orange, both by Uro, so
  filing a notch is probably their way of keeping score.YMMV
 
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   Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 14:22:28 -0400
   To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
   Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 rubber bits was Re: ADMIN
   From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
   CC: astrasfo...@gmail.com; fredh.s...@hotmail.com
  
   Thanks, Fred.  It has to be ORANGE to match the RH side lens...  WHy are
   they tallking about filing a notch to accommodate the bulbs??
  
   On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes 
   mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
  
Andrew.Search by number?Left :-was 000 820 07 21 now 000 820 88
21Right :-  was 000 820 08 21 now 000 820 89 21Autohausaz has them
  $19.51.
   
 
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[MBZ] OT Snow blowers

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Alles.I'm in the market for a new snowblower and a tracked, steerable one seem 
to be what I need.Last winter whilst I struggled to use the olde Ariens that I 
have had, lo these many years, I discovered that my old muscles ain't what they 
used to be.Recommendations?

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Re: [MBZ] 126 rubber bits was Re: ADMIN

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Andrew.The lamps shown are both clear (yuk!) and orange, both by Uro, so filing 
a notch is probably their way of keeping score.YMMV

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 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 14:22:28 -0400
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 rubber bits was Re: ADMIN
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: astrasfo...@gmail.com; fredh.s...@hotmail.com
 
 Thanks, Fred.  It has to be ORANGE to match the RH side lens...  WHy are
 they tallking about filing a notch to accommodate the bulbs??
 
 On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Andrew.Search by number?Left :-was 000 820 07 21 now 000 820 88
  21Right :-  was 000 820 08 21 now 000 820 89 21Autohausaz has them $19.51.
 
  
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Re: [MBZ] 126 rubber bits was Re: ADMIN

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Andrew.Search by number?Left :-was 000 820 07 21 now 000 820 88 21Right :-  
was 000 820 08 21 now 000 820 89 21Autohausaz has them $19.51.

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 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:07:06 -0400
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 rubber bits was Re: ADMIN
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: astrasfo...@gmail.com
 
 I tried to find a LH W123 turn signal lens but was baffled as to how to
 characterize it (electrical or body??) and a search on lens revealed
 nothing but lens repair kits.  Wtf.
 
  
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Re: [MBZ] 126 rubber bits was Re: ADMIN

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

True!

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 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 16:44:25 -0400
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 rubber bits was Re: ADMIN
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: astrasfo...@gmail.com; fredh.s...@hotmail.com
 
 A feeble joke + clueless mind = chaos.
 
 On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Andrew.To cover the fact that I don't know any thing about the need to
  notch the housing for a bulb (?) , I made a feeble joke.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Old news...

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Dwight.It was in poor taste, definitely lacking in grace.

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 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 15:48:00 -0400
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Old news...
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: dwight.gi...@gmail.com
 
 Mr Moderator,
 I want to ask you  other listers if this type of mean, hateful comment  is
 now OK on the list? And for the record my question has nothing to do with
 politics- just respect.
 Thanks,
 Dwight
 On Aug 25, 2015 2:28 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
  Jimmay Cahtah has brain cancer.
 
  Most of us knew that 40 years ago.
  
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Re: [MBZ] 300CD for sale in... New Jersey

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Jaime.Don't mean to nit-pick, 16 digit VIN?

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 Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 07:35:40 -0400
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: [MBZ] 300CD for sale in... New Jersey
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: jaime...@gmail.com
 
 I put my 300CD on CL last night.  I'll be listing it on ebay shortly, but
 wanted to see what kind of response I get here first:
 
 http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/5184290910.html
 
 Jaime
  
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Re: [MBZ] 4 Mercedes Benz (W123) 240D, 300D, 300TD *Parting Out*

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Not Mine. etc.

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 18:41:19 +
From: fredy4.s...@yahoo.com
To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
Subject: Fw: 4 Mercedes Benz (W123) 240D, 300D, 300TD *Parting Out*

 Fred Moir
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 Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 2:29 PM
 Subject: 4 Mercedes Benz (W123) 240D, 300D, 300TD *Parting Out*
   



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Re: [MBZ] ?

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Up and awake and sipping my tea.Slept late, awoke refreshed and now 
contemplating a lazy day.

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 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:32:51 -0400
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] ?
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: wilt...@nc.rr.com
 
 Yep, electronic system's aworkin'.  How the rest of it?  Y'all up?
 
 Wilt
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:30 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] ?
 
 
  
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Re: [MBZ] 300TD 1987 woes.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Max, Andrew, Rich.I checked all fluids, tyre pressures etc, etc. before 
leaving.Kick down had not occurred to me. Trans oil and filter is first on the 
list, when I have to return.Olde MB's are an high maintenance item, no wonder 
most are referred to as SHE.

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 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 15:53:33 -0400
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300TD 1987 woes.
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: dillonm...@gmail.com
 
 If you're karma improves, you've got a stuck kick-down switch.  Try
 disconnecting that.
 
 Next would be fluid and filter change.  I think Curly has experience with
 filters clogging up and collapsing and causing all manner of misbehavior?
 I think Mann is the recommended filter, if you don't buy at the dealer?
 
 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
 
 On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Alles.Well, there I was going to the shore for a week,, 92 deg and an open
  road what could be better?At 65 mph in second gear and 5k revs? That can't
  be good. Sh*t, now what?Exit at next ramp in Avon and came to rest at
  Dunkin Donuts, not too shabby, except that the temp guage crept up to 120
  deg.Tea and a bagel and quiet for an hour and everything was cooler. Still
  have only 1, 2, R, no 3 or 4.Towed home and swapped for the rusty trusty
  300TD and off to the shore, again, successfully.My wife said that it was
  karma payback for wearing my under draws inside out!Any ideas about
  transmissive transgressions?
  Fred the puzzled wants to know.
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Re: [MBZ] 300TD 1987 woes.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Nah! Tyres iz 4 Cahrs

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 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 17:02:20 -0500
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300TD 1987 woes.
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: 126die...@gmail.com
 
 TyerszI still revert to limey spelling from time to time.You can 
 take London out of the fog, but you cannot take the fog out of fred.
 
 Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
 
 Hey I Like tyres.Makes the message quaint, picturesque, etc.
 
 Tyres is fer Lymies.
 
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[MBZ] 300TD 1987 woes.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Alles.Well, there I was going to the shore for a week,, 92 deg and an open road 
what could be better?At 65 mph in second gear and 5k revs? That can't be good. 
Sh*t, now what?Exit at next ramp in Avon and came to rest at Dunkin Donuts, not 
too shabby, except that the temp guage crept up to 120 deg.Tea and a bagel and 
quiet for an hour and everything was cooler. Still have only 1, 2, R, no 3 or 
4.Towed home and swapped for the rusty trusty 300TD and off to the shore, 
again, successfully.My wife said that it was karma payback for wearing my under 
draws inside out!Any ideas about transmissive transgressions?
Fred the puzzled wants to know.
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Re: [MBZ] 300TD 1987 woes.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

TyerszI still revert to limey spelling from time to time.You can take London 
out of the fog, but you cannot take the fog out of fred.

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 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 15:53:12 -0500
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300TD 1987 woes.
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: 126die...@gmail.com
 
 There's your problem, you didn't check your TIRES
 
 --R
 
 
 
 On 8/18/15 4:14 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:
 tyre pressures
 
 
 Rich, I thought in your country, it is tars
 
 Up  in Fred's paht of the counthy, I think it is Tiahs.  Is that right?
 
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Re: [MBZ] The Battle of Palmdale

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Jindivik anyone?

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 Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 13:44:08 -0500
 To: mi...@mitchellhaley.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Battle of Palmdale
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: maontin@gmail.com
 
 Mitch wrote:
  On August 16, 1956 Air Force fighters attacked a runaway Hellcat over 
  southern
  California and missed.
 
 Drone?
 Radio controlled drone?
 60 years ago?
 ...ah... the age of technology.
 Too bad drones today are not as reliable, or something...
 mao
  
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Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car

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Computer control is probably critical to flight stability, read Osprey, and it 
would be beyond the average drivers/fliers ability to control, sans said 
computer control.I'm still waiting for the Jetson's flying car, though this 
seems to be a great idea and hopefully successful.Licences will be interesting, 
private pilots ticket at a minimum, so some joker doesn't try to land on my 
flat roof!

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 Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 23:05:50 -0700
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Finally, something I would like to have in an electric car
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: g2ma...@gmail.com
 
 I have no answers at the moment.. Come Monday.. expect I may contact the
 web site and see if it's just a concept or actually certified for flight
 and for sale..
 
 If I grasp the design details correctly.. it has an on board fuel engine
 that runs generator which drives electric motors.. actually, not a bad
 concept over helicopter design for example, which uses shafts, gearboxes,
 and complex couplings... in concept at least.. in actual application...
 lots of unanswered questions..
 
 To fly it needs FAA certification.. That is no small feat..
  
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Re: [MBZ] This is bad

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Max.Will your wife roll her eyes and say nothing? Then at some later date let 
you know, subtly, that she was not fooled?

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 Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 13:16:37 -0400
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is bad
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: dillonm...@gmail.com
 
 (Andrew: 1987 Mercedes-Benz 300TD, white with blue interior)
 
 Plan A has been rejected by both the Chair of the Finance Committee and the
 Chair of the Social Committee aka COMHOMELANT aka SWMBO, so now I'm on Plan
 B.  Plan A was to order the MB tie rod assembly from MB Northlake for $55
 plus $10 shipping, and then swing by LKQ Knackers tonight after work and
 see if I could scrounge a good used tie rod assembly.  Replace the used
 assembly with the new at a later date TBD.  Plan B is to purchase two new
 tie rod ends from local Autoparts warehouse (Moog) for $90 and install
 those tonight after work.  Plan C is to execute the first part of Plan B
 (get the new ends in hand), hold on to the receipt, execute Plan A on the
 sly (but pay an extra $10 for overnight shipping) and delay the
 installation until Saturday p.m. or later, and then return the Plan B parts
 on Monday.  Confess my modification of the plan after I can show Look
 honey, I saved us $15!.
 
 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
  
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Re: [MBZ] Winmutt - R U here?

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Max.If no reply form Winmutt, I have both kinds of pre-chamber lock ring 
removal tool, slot and spline.

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 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 10:39:57 -0400
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: [MBZ] Winmutt - R U here?
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: dillonm...@gmail.com
 
 I need to rent your pre-chamber locking ring tool, I think.
 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
  
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Re: [MBZ] ?

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Jim, et al.That was a non-coms polite smart-ass reply to an ossifers 
over-stating the obvious. Sir!With all due respect to your rank and commission, 
Sir!The military and I did not rub along too well.

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 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 08:50:10 -0700
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] ?
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: jim.cathey...@gmail.com
 
  I have been burning daylight at a good rate, Sir!
 
 Where I grew up, you weren't 'burning' daylight unless you were
 in some sense wasting it!  Sounds like you were just using it,
 right proper.
 
 -- Jim
  
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Re: [MBZ] ?

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Wilton.I'd pay good money to read such a book!

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 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 14:54:06 -0400
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] ?
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: wilt...@nc.rr.com
 
 And I understood very well while taking no offense whatever.  ;)
 
 BTW, Fred, I didn't get along very well with the military BS, either.  'Wish 
 I had taken good notes to write a sizable book on some the unbelievable crap 
 we all endured.
 
 Wilton
  
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[MBZ] FW: 1971 Mercedes SL 350 Parts Car

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Not Mine, etc.

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From: ro...@craigslist.org
To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
Subject: 1971 Mercedes SL 350 Parts Car
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 23:23:52 +




fredy4.s...@yahoo.com forwarded you this from craigslist:



1971 Mercedes SL 350 Parts Car
http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/cto/5155764369.html




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Re: [MBZ] ?

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Alles.I'm in for my morning tea at 10:40 hrs. So far the car has new center 
bearing and mount, new flex joints and a re-positioned rear muffler hanger.I 
have been burning daylight at a good rate, Sir!

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 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 09:14:33 -0500
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] ?
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: 126die...@gmail.com
 
 Sir,
 
 All vehicles functioning, or in for known repairs.  No Problems or 
 questions to report, Sir!
 
 No off topic ramblings thus far today, Sir!
  
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Re: [MBZ] ?

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

XYZ?

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 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 09:59:07 -0400
 Subject: [MBZ] ?
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: wilt...@nc.rr.com
  
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Re: [MBZ] 55 MPG!

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Must be the low restriction air intake.

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 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 08:12:39 -0500
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: [MBZ] 55 MPG!
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: rickkno...@hotmail.com
 
 http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/5139293555.html
 
 Rick 
 Sent from my BlackBerry Z10
  
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[MBZ] Monovalve insert.

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W123 (and BMW etc.) Monovalve insert, called a magnet in the EPC.000 835 06 
44FCP Euro $20 probably UroAutohausaz ~ $15.12  probably UroMBZ $206.40 genuine?

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Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

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+1

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 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 14:07:16 -0400
 Subject: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity  ethics
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: wilt...@nc.rr.com
 
 Re. the unsavory crap (sham, paper, classes) going on for nearly 20 years 
 at UNC-CH to accommodate athletes, an article in today's Raleigh News and 
 Observer, discusses two working groups (committee's) looking at UNC 
 integrity and policies.  Co-chair said that they first want to define 
 integrity.  To save 'em possibly several weeks of haggling, I'm volunteering 
 my definition of it learned on Momma and Daddy's laps and at their knees 
 nearly 80 years ago - put simply, integrity is the ability to do what is 
 right when nobody else is watching.
 
 Wilton
  
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Re: [MBZ] No start.

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Max.Thanks for the info. I had not looked closely at the body mounts, but I 
will now.I need to move Bent out of here, to be someone else's white elephant. 
A radiator, a radiator, my kingdom for a radiator, not.
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 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:14:29 -0400
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] No start.
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: dillonm...@gmail.com
 
 Definitely worth holding onto for spares if you've got the space.  At a
 minimum, I would keep the complete engine/transmission/differential/rear
 hatch assembly/tail lights/rear bumper.  If the interior is decent, the
 carpet is unique as well as the rear seats and back, but gasser models of
 newer vintage are out there too.
 
 Take a close look at the rear sub-frame bushings on both wagons.  The body
 sheet metal was too thin / weak from the factory in the first years of the
 124 wagon, and those bushing seats are subject to cracking.
 
 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
  
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