Re: [MBZ] Wolwo smokers
The clatter from the vacuum pump pushrod is from when the pushrod wears too short- usually from removing it and re-installing in the wrong direction, which wears the cam lobe and pushrod down. Then it hits the head each time and clatters. I made this mistake once, and had to replace the cam. The pump seals tend to leak oil, so people reverse the pushrod accidently while replacing the pump seal against the head. I'm pretty sure the turbo and injectors are basically the same garrett T3 and bosch units as on my benz. If the turbos were new could they both have been defective- were they both purchased from the same place? Why were the old ones replaced? I've seen the origional turbos with 500k+ miles on them- they rarely wear out when used with synthetic oil, and a proper air filter. I've seen them make noise when the compressor turbine gets nicked by foreign objects if the air filter isn't installed properly, or if they're rebuilt wrong and not balanced. I love the 700 series volvos, because the ergonomics of them fit me really well. Probably my favorite car model of all time. Sincerely, Tyler 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Jan 22, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Well, all three of the ones I'm familiar with had much more turbo noise, more injector noise, and a horrible clatter from the vacuum pump push rod. Best driving car I've every had (probably true of all the 740's) -- very comfortable and just flies down the highway effortlessly. Got 31 mpg on the highway, too. Turbos were both brand new, by the way... Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wolwo smokers
They all crack between the valves- and it never causes any problems. The crack is superficial and doesn't ever extend far into the head. Some people weld them up, but there's no benefit to it. I've owned several- and none were any noiser than an OM60x engine. If the turbo is noisy, it was probably damaged somehow. There's a lot of myths about these, but they really don't have any major design problems that affect longevity. They are durable and last a very long time if properly cared for. Most come off the road from losing compression due to using the wrong oil (needs a diesel rated synthetic), and from blowing the headgasket after overheating (nobody ever replaces the coolant hoses- and they don't have a level sensor). The coolant hoses are expensive and hard to source, they need regular timing belt changes, and they require a lot of expensive special tools for regular work. Sincerely, Tyler 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Jan 19, 2010, at 6:57 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Actually, they tend to crack badly between the valves, causing the valve guides to come loose. However, unlike MB heads, they can be welded, a friend had his done and it ran great. Noisy bastards, though -- turbo sounds like a cop siren a couple blocks back! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Choice of brake rotor and pads
I think the conditions you drive in are a big factor, because each type of pad material has tradeoffs. I do a lot of mountainous driving in very high temps, sometimes pulling a trailer so I like the PBR/AXXIS Ceramic pads. They make a lot of noise, a lot of dust, and don't last long- but they're the only pads I've found that won't fade under any conditions I put them under. I've heard that in cold climates they don't get hot enough to work well. Tyler Thank you all for your input. I figure there must a happy medium in quality/price with a part. --PT, 1981 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Choice of brake rotor and pads
Haven't tried them yet- I'm not sure where to get them or if they make
them for my cars ('87 190DT and '87 Volvo 745T). Now that I've found
something that works, I don't think I'll experiment anymore. The
conditions in which you realize oh, I guess this pad really isn't that
great usually aren't a good time to have your brakes go out!
Tyler
Tyler wrote:
I like the PBR/AXXIS Ceramic pads.
They make a lot of noise, a lot of dust, and don't last long- but
they're
the only pads I've found that won't fade under any conditions I put them
under.
How about Akebono Ceramic? Fade out or haven't tried them yet?
Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] My wagon is like a green house
Kaleb, I've had good luck with warm water very saturated with comet, and a sponge. The comet contains bleach and will remove all of the mold and smell, but isn't strong enough to ruin the interior. Wipe down every surface with it, and then come back with clean warm water to remove the comet residue. This has worked well for me on some field finds that were very moldy. Tyler So this 87 TD I have sitting around is like a greenhouse. Its been sitting under a tree in the back for a while, and I knew it leaked a little water anyway, I think its leaking from the sunroof maybe. Anyway, I have not even gone out to look at it in a while, and I opened it up, and it smells BAD, everything inside is coated with that moldy crap, water condensation on all of the inside glass, even the speedo will have to be removed and cleaned up. This car is NASTY. I threw a battery in it and fired it up and moved it out into the open, cracked the only window that works to see if it will dry/air out a bit. When I do finally get around to getting this car on the road, anybody got any ideas on how to get rid of that musty moldy smell and return it back to smelling like a MB? I have several cars like this but this one is by far the worse at the moment. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WOW! 45 mpg 1984 Mer Benz Diesel - $800
In my experience, even people whom know how to divide correctly and keep track of distance and volume generally get the economy wrong by 20% or more. Odometers are generally not very accurate, and there isn't much consistency between the full tank shutoff at gas stations. Both of my cars will often have a huge discrepancy between the odometer miles/gallons from a particular fill and the more accurate calculation from a long term average across multiple tanks of fuel, and using a correction factor for the odometer. A good illustration of this is on fuelly.com. Here is the page for the 190D (the '87 is mine): http://www.fuelly.com/car/mercedes-benz/190d There are 4 190Ds, and you will see that they all seem to vary by about 5mpg between tanks. With my own car, I've tried adjusting this for fuel quality and the type of driving, and found that it doesn't change the variation much- it seems like mostly random error, probably from the pump shutting off at different levels. Tyler You're giving him a lot of credit. Its usually I drove about 100 miles (meaning 80) and put in about 5 gallons of fuel (meaning 5.8) so thats about 45mpg Very few people even really know how to calculate mpg, never mind bothering to use real numbers. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WOW! 45 mpg 1984 Mer Benz Diesel - $800
I think you're right- MBs from the factory have well calibrated odometers. Mostly, they only get off if a different diameter tire is used. Most other makes of car aren't so accurate, however... Tyler Dory is mine... For 3 different cars the 3 '85s are remarkably consistant. I have another ~80,000 miles of data for mine that I've never bothered to put on fuelly. I think your premise on odometers at least in regard to MBs is wrong. I've done many tests with mine against my GPS and its spot on as is the speedo, my 240D is the same way. I agree that not all pumps are the same, I'd also say that not all fuel has the same BTUs and of course conditions change... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Aquariums
Watch out for those zebra-fish- they're really aggressive. I never had any luck keeping them together with Angelfish, as the zebras would eat the angelfish fins to the point that they would die from stress. Maybe you'll be okay since the tank is so large... Tyler Andrew wrote: Save yourself the heartbreak and adopt a couple kittens instead. I speak out of personal knowledge with fresh and saltwater acquaria, plus my ongoing experience with two affectionate 19 lb. Bombay cats (neutered male litter mates.). Too late. The tank is set up and running. It is a 55 gallon tank. The new residents are: 10 Tiger Barbs 5 Serpae Tetras 7 small zebra danios 1 Giant Zebra Danio (Giant only means about 2.5 inches) 2 Cory Cats 3 Congo Tetras 1 Red Tail Shark 5 Angelfish (1 black, 1 Gold, 2 Zebra, 1 Marble) We also have one mixed terrier dog. But, she was here long before the fish tank. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cash For Clunkers - Some Numbers
Those numbers are totally made up. Try these ones of what I'd imagine you'd get trading in a $100 car like my '87 740 Turbo for a new Huyndai Accent: So let's do the final tally here: You traded in a car worth: $100 You got a discount of: $4500 - Net so far +$4400 But you have to pay:$0 in taxes on the $4500 Net so far: +$4400 And you paid: $0 more than the car was selling for the month before (MSRP didn't change) -- Net +$4400 Gross (new Accent is 9,970) -5570 Basically you are 6 grand poorer, and have a much worse car. Without the stimulus you'd be 10 grand poorer and have the same car. Buying a new car makes zero economic sense- taking a huge discount on one if you're going to buy one anyways does make a lot of sense. Tyler Thought ya'll might enjoy this -- The Plan, The Scam, The Man, Don't ya just love it when a plan comes together? The Scam Here is what a learned friend had to say about Democratic Math. It's even worse apparently than I first thought: It's way worse than that. Ignore all the gas crap and just look at how the stupid car buyer got taken to the cleaners: If you traded in a clunker worth $3500, you get $4500 off for an apparent savings of $1000. However, you have to pay taxes on the $4500 come April 15th (something that no auto dealer will tell you). If you are in the 30% tax bracket, you will pay $1350 on that $4500. So, rather than save $1000, you actually pay an extra $350 to the feds. In addition, you traded in a car that was most likely paid for. Now you have 4 or 5 years of payments on a car that you did not need, that was costing you less to run than the payments that you will now be making. But wait; it gets even better: you also got ripped off by the dealer. For example, every dealer here in LA was selling the Ford Focus with all the goodies, including A/C, auto transmission, power windows, etc for $12,500 the month before the cash for clunkers program started. When cash for clunkers came along, they stopped discounting them and instead sold them at the list price of $15,500. So, you paid $3000 more than you would have the month before... (Honda, Toyota , and Kia played the same list price game that Ford and Chevy did). So let's do the final tally here: You traded in a car worth: $3500 You got a discount of: $4500 - Net so far +$1000 But you have to pay:$1350 in taxes on the $4500 Net so far: -$350 And you paid: $3000 more than the car was selling for the month before -- Net -$3350 We could also add in the additional taxes (sales tax, state tax, etc.) on the extra $3000 that you paid for the car, along with the 5 years of interest on the car loan, but let's just stop here. So who actually made out on the deal? The feds collected taxes on the car along with taxes on the $4500 they gave you. The car dealers made an extra $3000 or more on every car they sold along with the kickbacks from the manufacturers and the loan companies. The manufacturers got to dump lots of cars they could not give away the month before. And the poor, stupid consumer got saddled with even more debt that they cannot afford. Obama and his band of merry men convinced Joe consumer that he was getting $4500 in free money from the government when in fact, Joe was giving away his $3500 car and paying an additional $3350 for the privilege. Think this was stupid for those who were crazy enough to swallow this wonderful scheme? Just wait until we get health care with no additional costs over what most of us now pay for health insurance and the best medical care in the world. Think that scheme might be designed by the same people who came up with Cash for Clunkers? LarryT 74 911 OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chinese Volvos
The chinese junk rig is very cool, and has a lot of advantages- I am thinking I might try making one for sailing a dinghy. It's really easy to reef in strong winds, it is very strong because stress is spread out evenly over the sail rather than concentrated in the corners, and it achieves good aerodynamic lift with a totally flat sail, unlike regular triangle sails on Bermudan rigged boats which need a complex curvature which makes the sails expensive and difficult to build. Tyler They were a sea-faring regional power before Confucius (? I think, was a great article in National Geographic and also in a Navy magazine I used to subscribe to, point is that they did this hundreds of years before the English/Spanish/French/Dutch), trading all over Asia and Africa, and there is evidence that they even sailed to North America. They invented the concept of compartmenting a ship, all though they did it for trade reasons instead of engineering and then later discovered the benefit (harder to sink a ship with water tight compartments). Their sail rigging also allowed their ships to sail faster and closer to the wind than a European square-rigged ship of the same hull size. Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dog Food was Re: Chinese Volvos
Good advice! I was amazed when I adoted my German Pischer from the humane society back in may, and decided to buy him good quality dog food. When I went to the store I realized ALL of the brands were just corn meal- even the very expensive ones. Some say 1st ingredient is meat, but they accomplish that by listing different corn products as seperate ingredients, so it's still really just corn meal. I found that Candidae grain free was the only thing I could get locally ($50/bag) that seemed even remotely suited for a dog, so I'm feeding him that. Dogs certainly didn't evolve to eat a diet of mostly corn meal, it can't possibly be healthy. The only corn my dog gets is when I let him chew on a corn cob like a bone... Sincerely, Tyler 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: science diet is just old roy reskinned for the completely idiotic i prefer the plain old innova big dog formula. i don't buy the grain free more modern innova formulation as i think dogs do well with some cereals and fruits/vegetables. if i can't get innova as there are only two dealers around here and neither are really near me nor keep great hours the dick van patton stuff is available at the shit vendors like petco. merrick has good stuff as well as solid gold. i bought a bag of wellness the other night based on the ingredients but haven't fed it to them yet. the bottom line is that it isn't mysterious or rocket science. if it has corn in any form in it, don't buy it. if it has any sort of meat by products (road kill. dead cats. etc), don't buy it. it should be primarily made of meat and fish. it just makes basic sense. not surprisingly, you cannot buy any dog food at the supermarket, discounter of nearly any vet's office that makes sense to feed your dog. you can only buy the lowest quality crap at those places and you can see this when you read the ingredients. and what people will try to convince you is that if you try to buy food that makes sense, you are some sort of mad fanatic. if you try to buy beef that is grass fed instead of fed chicken shit and corn, you are a nutter. and you are a nut if you want to buy vegetables grown as they had been grown for thousands of years before the advent of modern agribusiness. my heartfelt advice is don't be a fool at all times in all things. think this stuff through a little for yourself and then do what you think is right. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net wrote: What food do you feed your dogs? I found out that the Science Diet RD prescription dog food that my older Lab is on is basically a diet of starvation! It's full of crap like peanut hulls, soybean skin, and the very very limited proteins come from animal byproducts, not even meat! My new Labradoodle guide dog was sent home on Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance which is a quality kibble. Even the Ultra formula at $44 for a 35lb bag is cheaper than the junk rD which is $60 for 30lb!! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR, between MB Diesels ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] oil view light
I used to work in a shop that used similar strategies only more like this: 1) Air chisel 6 jagged flap in pan 2) Bend flap out of the way- INTO the oil pan 3) RR oil pump 4) JB Weld soup can patch over hole in pan 5) Bill customer for a full engine rebuild or factory short block + book rate labor Peter T. Arnold wrote: I watched a fellow change the oil pump in a mid '60's Pontiac is about 45 minutes once. This was a huge flat rate job as RR of engine was required per the book. Car had -0- oil pressure, might have a junk short block? Do you change oil pump? Rebuild engine? Car was about 5 years old. The guy who wrote the book should have seen this operation 1) Car on lift drop oil. 2) Air chiseler a 5 3 sided hole in pan, bend it down. 3) RR oil pump 4) Bend flat back up, Clean it real good, use alcohol as final rinse. Braze the resulting 3 corner cut pan. 5) Refill oil. That mechanic had a very satisfied customer! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Thanks for the link. This sounds like a major obstacle- I don't think I will look for an MB tow vehicle unless I get my hands on a working differential first. Tyler Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote: I don't know what lockers or LSD options there are for W124s and W123s. Would the 190E 16v LSD work? I prefer a real locker to an LSD, but either is better than nothing. No 124s came from the factory with LSD, only electronic traction control (mostly found in 500Es). The LSD from the 190E 2.3-16 does drop right in, but the final drive ratio is totally wrong. Keep in mind, also, that LSDs wear out fast and a used one is likely to be not much better than an open diff. Rebuilding one requires special tools. For a full discussion read this thread: http://mbworld.org/forums/e-class-w124/224048-limited-slip-differentials-w124s.html AMGDave is Dave Meimann, probably the most knowledgeable guy in America on performance mods for the '87 300D. Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test
Do you have any more info on this? It's REALLY interesting, but I'm surprised PB Blaster doesn't do much more than WD-40- so I want to know what their methods are. I love that the cheapest thing on the list actually works the best by far! My experience is that PB Blaster works really well, but needs a very long period of soaking (overnight, or even a week) to work properly. When I take an exhaust manifold off, I'll usually soak it everyday with PB for a week before the job, and the bolts will feel nearly hand tight at the end- when I'm certain the studs would have just broken off without the PB Blaster. Tyler LarryT wrote: Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/19faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Jamie,
I'm also towing a sailboat ('74 Catalina 22)- I highly recommend one as
it's cheap and very well made. It only weighs about 2200lbs, but the
trailer and gear bring it to about 3500. I'm currently towing it with a
beat up '87 Volvo 740 turbo wagon that tows it very well, but I think
the W124 would be more comfortable and fuel efficient. I am also curious
also about the Mercedes' ability to pull up a ramp. The Volvo has been
able to pull the boat up even the steepest of ramps without issues. It
has an automatic with 2.45:1 1st gear, and a 3.73:1 rear axle with an
Eaton G80 locker- and the engine makes 187 ft*lb (253 Nm) of torque at
2900 rpm. Does anyone have the gear ratio and torque specs for the W124?
Is it available with a locking or limited slip rear differential? I
would assume if it has just as low or lower gears, a locker or LSD, and
as much torque then climbing the ramp shouldn't be an issue.
I am mostly worried about the transmission or brakes in the W124 burning
up going over mountains.
For pulling up a ramp, I think one could calculate reasonably well the
steepest ramp you could pull a given boat up given (1) the torque of the
engine at the stall speed of the torque converter, (2) the ratio of 1st
gear times the rear differential, (3) the tire outside diameter, and (4)
the combined weight of the entire rig. It's #1 that I expect to be
hardest to find...
Searching online, I found that my Volvo has a 2700rpm stall speed torque
converter and makes about 175 ft*lb of torque at this rpm - or about
1599 ft*lb at the rear axle. With a 12.5in tire radius, this is about
1535 lbs of forward thrust. Fully loaded will all of my gear, the car
and boat probably weigh 7,000lbs.
So:
Force = weight * sin(ramp angle)
ramp angle = arcsin(force/weight) = 0.22 radians = 12.61 degrees
So in theory I can probably pull up a 12.61 degree ramp. According to
BoatUS, most ramps are designed for a 6:1 slope (arctan(1/6)=9.46
degrees), so I have a good extra margin of ability, although without a
locking diff traction would probably come into play first. If someone
can help me find those same numbers for the W124 300TD, I will redo the
calculation for it.
Tyler
Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
Hi Tyler,John gives excellent information... I just installed a factory-like
euro hitch on my 95 E320 wagon, with rated 2100kg load. Thats 4600lbs! I'm
still searching for my towable toy (a sailboat), but I'm looking at for
3500lbs as my maximum. Its quite a bit of weight. In preparation for
towing that weight, I've already gone over my brakes (ended up replacing
just about everything) and changing my trans fluid and filter. My cooling
system is in good shape, with a recent radiator. My only concern is the
car's ability to pull the boat and trailer up a launch ramp.
With some preventative maintenance, common sense, and good trailer brakes, I
think you'll be fine.
Jaime
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[MBZ] Sailing was: Re: Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Sweet, it sounds like a lot of people on here are also into sailing. It's starting to sound promising- the idea of switching to an MB diesel wagon for towing my sailboat. And yes, I will keep the hydraulic spheres rather than re-engineer the rear suspension myself, per previous discussion. Tyler Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: I've launched and retrieved my ~3000lb sail boat with a 123 wagon many times, and traction was never an issue. Engine power (NA engine, 617.912) WAS an issue! Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:19 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon? My only concern is the car's ability to pull the boat and trailer up a launch ramp. And a very real concern it should be, too. As that trailer rocks back on the ramp it'll tend to lift the rear wheels off the ground. My son and I got a free ride down an embankment due to that factor. You'd want a lot of extra weight in the back of the wagon, I'd think. Stupid trailer trick story: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/moglog.html#trailer If the ramp was wet and/or slimy, even worse. It's easy enough in a 4wd truck that outweighs the towed load by 2x, else maybe oh-oh! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Searching in google, I did find some specs on the W123 300TD turbo. It
should be able to pull a 3500lb trailer up an incline of around 14-15
degrees- better than my Volvo 740T, primarily due to a lower 1st gear.
Torque curve: http://www.zarnochwf1.com/node/18
I don't know the stall speed, but it's probably safe to say it's at
least 2000rpm, which would give about 177 ft*lb of torque for the turbo
engine.
The tires are the same as my 740, so 12.5 radius.
Rear axle ratio is 3.07 in '81-'84
(http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=223884).
Curb weight is about 500lbs more than the Volvo, so say 7500 lbs total.
1st gear is 3.68:1 (http://home.comcast.net/~phantoms/vacuum/722_ratios.jpg)
Torque at rear axle: 177ft*lb*3.68*3.07=2000ft*lb
Thrust at stall: 2000ft*lb/1.04ft=1920lb
ramp angle = arcsin(1920lb/7500lb)=14.83 degrees
Tyler
tyler wrote:
Jamie,
I'm also towing a sailboat ('74 Catalina 22)- I highly recommend one
as it's cheap and very well made. It only weighs about 2200lbs, but
the trailer and gear bring it to about 3500. I'm currently towing it
with a beat up '87 Volvo 740 turbo wagon that tows it very well, but I
think the W124 would be more comfortable and fuel efficient. I am also
curious also about the Mercedes' ability to pull up a ramp. The Volvo
has been able to pull the boat up even the steepest of ramps without
issues. It has an automatic with 2.45:1 1st gear, and a 3.73:1 rear
axle with an Eaton G80 locker- and the engine makes 187 ft*lb (253 Nm)
of torque at 2900 rpm. Does anyone have the gear ratio and torque
specs for the W124? Is it available with a locking or limited slip
rear differential? I would assume if it has just as low or lower
gears, a locker or LSD, and as much torque then climbing the ramp
shouldn't be an issue.
I am mostly worried about the transmission or brakes in the W124
burning up going over mountains.
For pulling up a ramp, I think one could calculate reasonably well the
steepest ramp you could pull a given boat up given (1) the torque of
the engine at the stall speed of the torque converter, (2) the ratio
of 1st gear times the rear differential, (3) the tire outside
diameter, and (4) the combined weight of the entire rig. It's #1 that
I expect to be hardest to find...
Searching online, I found that my Volvo has a 2700rpm stall speed
torque converter and makes about 175 ft*lb of torque at this rpm - or
about 1599 ft*lb at the rear axle. With a 12.5in tire radius, this is
about 1535 lbs of forward thrust. Fully loaded will all of my gear,
the car and boat probably weigh 7,000lbs.
So:
Force = weight * sin(ramp angle)
ramp angle = arcsin(force/weight) = 0.22 radians = 12.61 degrees
So in theory I can probably pull up a 12.61 degree ramp. According to
BoatUS, most ramps are designed for a 6:1 slope (arctan(1/6)=9.46
degrees), so I have a good extra margin of ability, although without a
locking diff traction would probably come into play first. If someone
can help me find those same numbers for the W124 300TD, I will redo
the calculation for it.
Tyler
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Re: [MBZ] Sailing was: Re: Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
That sounds like an interesting book, I think I might look for a copy. I've been obsessed with reading every sailing adventure book I can find recently. The W201factory towing package would be quite a nice setup! Did he use it for towing sailboats? I've toyed with the idea of towing my sailboat with my '87 190DT- but I think the car is just too light, and too short of a wheelbase to do it safely. The OM602 turbo engine on the other hand would be awesome for towing, if it were installed in a small truck for example. I did find an old post from Marshall saying his 190DT could tow 1500 kg (3300lbs). I also haven't been able to find for sale anywhere a heavy duty hitch for a W201. The best I've been able to find are flimsy class I hitches, while I've been able to find a class III for my Volvo. Tyler Mitch Haley wrote: tyler wrote: Sweet, it sounds like a lot of people on here are also into sailing. Ron Dwelle isn't around here any more, but he writes books on the subject. http://www.amazon.com/Summer-Studies-Ron-Dwelle/dp/0738839728 Last I knew, Ron had a euro W201 2.5NA with factory towing package, including the hitch, SLS, etc. His cruising yacht is of course not trailerable. I should try to keep in touch with him. If that car ever gets wrecked, the SLS and towing components would be worth a lot to a guy like me, and Ron only lives about 75 miles away. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
You're right! I didn't question the calculations because they seemed to be almost perfectly inline with my actual experience. When I tried my Volvo on a very steep boat ramp (probably about 12 degrees?), the rig didn't start moving at all until the engine hit the stall speed and the turbo built boost- it took several seconds. With twice the thrust, the theoretical ramp angle would be ~26 degrees rather than ~12, and a 12 degree ramp should have felt like nothing. Perhaps friction of the water, drivetrain, tires, etc uses up about half of the actual thrust? Maybe the ramp was a lot steeper than 12 degrees? I didn't measure it or anything, but now I'm curious enough to bring a protractor next time. Tyler Mitch Haley wrote: tyler wrote: Searching in google, I did find some specs on the W123 300TD turbo. It should be able to pull a 3500lb trailer up an incline of around 14-15 degrees- better than my Volvo 740T, primarily due to a lower 1st gear. You seem to be forgetting the purpose of a torque converter, which is to multiply torque. I'm guessing the real thrust could easily be 170-200% of your calculations. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
I think I did mention than an LSD or locker is required? With the eaton G80 locker in my Volvo, I have never slipped the rear tires even for a second- even when I was backed down with the water over the rear bumper on algae and sand covered ramps. I do think a locker is at least as good as regular open diff 4wd on a boat ramp, since there's a lot more weight on the rear axle than the front due to the tongue weight and incline. I have pulled a 4,000 lb boat up a ramp with a Volvo 760 Turbo Diesel that was without a locker- and it was extremely difficult due to wheelspin, and did slide sideways a bit before I could get it to start moving forwards. I don't think I'd want to tow any boat over 2,000lbs again without a locker or 4wd. With a locker and good tires, the limit is probably torque rather than traction. I don't know what lockers or LSD options there are for W124s and W123s. Would the 190E 16v LSD work? I prefer a real locker to an LSD, but either is better than nothing. Another thing that helps a lot with a sailboat is an extending trailer tongue, which will keep your rear tires on cleaner and drier pavement- as well as protect your car from saltwater damage. I paid a welder just last weekend to replace my extending tongue, which was rusted solid. Sincerely, Tyler 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Oct 14, 2009, at 6:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I think you're right except for one factor you left out: The sliminess of the ramp. Which I suppose is less of an issue on the west coast but I saw a guy damn near lose a fullsize Blazer on a not particularly steep lake ramp because he didn't bother to put it into 4wd (because it wasn't steep) but as the weight of boat hit the trailer as he pulled it out of the water he started to spin and slide backwards. As soon as he started to slide he hit the brakes but he continued to slide until the boat started to float... -Curt Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:22:57 -0700 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4ad64131.2060...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed snip For pulling up a ramp, I think one could calculate reasonably well the steepest ramp you could pull a given boat up given (1) the torque of the engine at the stall speed of the torque converter, (2) the ratio of 1st gear times the rear differential, (3) the tire outside diameter, and (4) the combined weight of the entire rig. It's #1 that I expect to be hardest to find... -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/bb80aa83/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Also, most of the ramps I use are made from corrugated looking concrete, which doesn't slime up much. If his blazer slid with the brakes on- perhaps even 4wd wouldn't have saved him? Sincerely, Tyler On Oct 14, 2009, at 6:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I think you're right except for one factor you left out: The sliminess of the ramp. Which I suppose is less of an issue on the west coast but I saw a guy damn near lose a fullsize Blazer on a not particularly steep lake ramp because he didn't bother to put it into 4wd (because it wasn't steep) but as the weight of boat hit the trailer as he pulled it out of the water he started to spin and slide backwards. As soon as he started to slide he hit the brakes but he continued to slide until the boat started to float... -Curt Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:22:57 -0700 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4ad64131.2060...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed snip For pulling up a ramp, I think one could calculate reasonably well the steepest ramp you could pull a given boat up given (1) the torque of the engine at the stall speed of the torque converter, (2) the ratio of 1st gear times the rear differential, (3) the tire outside diameter, and (4) the combined weight of the entire rig. It's #1 that I expect to be hardest to find... -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/bb80aa83/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Cheap diesel ponton in Oregon
http://salem.craigslist.org/cto/1418329762.html I wish I were still living up there! Tyler Curt Raymond wrote: http://burlington.craigslist.org/cto/1415074558.html Too cool. I really like the Pug wagons... -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091013/fb2cf02c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel ponton in Oregon
Perhaps a ponton isn't the right car for someone in such a hurry? Tyler Mitch Haley wrote: tyler wrote: http://salem.craigslist.org/cto/1418329762.html I wish I were still living up there! Does 'runs awesome' mean it'll do 60 mph? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Does anyone know if a W124 wagon (1987 300TD) can safely tow a 3500lb trailer? Would the transmission be up to it if a larger cooler was added? Could the engine cooling system keep up with such a load? What is the factory rated towing capacity? Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] DIBS!
Now that's cool LWB250 wrote: Back off, Wachsmuth, I saw it first. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290358658276viewitem= Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
Well, were they done properly? There's no inherent reason why a wagon wouldn't handle fine with a regular rear suspension. I'd be willing to bet that most of these conversions use stock sedan springs/shocks from a junkyard, which aren't stiff enough for a wagon. If I were going to do the swap I would cut the sedan springs down and add an aluminum spacer to get the correct ride height and spring rate, and get rear shocks that are valved properly for the increased rear weight (Bilstein will revalve their shocks cheaply). This would certainly be a lot cheaper and easier than replacing an engine- and would allow one to customize the spring and shock rate for the way they use their wagon. There's also a good chance that an aftermarket spring company somewhere makes the correct springs for this conversion. Other options that would work well are nivomat self contained leveling shocks, and air bags in the springs. I'm annoyed that people on here mostly parrot what Marshall said without understanding the context. Tyler Gary Hurst wrote: I've never heard of a suspension converted MB wagon that wasn't a complete disaster What the hell am i doing up at this hour? On 10/7/09, pm7...@comcast.net pm7...@comcast.net wrote: Marshal always gave the admonishment that any backyard attempt to convert the rear suspension would result in a very expensive uncomfortable suspension. USUALLY IN CAPS -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
It IS trivial to use a spring with the correct spring rate... Anyone that can do an engine swap, could do this much cheaper and easier. Tyler Peter T. Arnold wrote: GO for it! Redesign it. I'm sure that the effort would be trivial to a fellow like you. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
The Mercedes hydraulic system is great, and I can understand wanting to make it work again. I'm just trying to say that a regular spring suspension is perfectly fine, and works great on the majority of stock vehicles that use them. A 300TD with sedan springs is horrible, but it's probably easier to raise the spring rate or install the correct springs than to replace the engine and reinstall all of the hydraulics. I have stiffened the springs on several cars by removing some spring and replacing it with a solid spacer- with great success. There are also a bunch of companies (like lesjoforsab.com and hrsprings.com) that would certainly sell you the correct springs, and probably provide advice on choosing a spring rate. What do Volvos have to do with this? I'm a huge fan of the Volvo 700/900/90 series wagons (1985-1998). The 80s models aren't as comfortable and refined as a W123- but do handle better because of a stiffer suspension, rack and pinion steering, and about 600lbs less weight. I'd love to replace my '87 740 Turbo with a 300TD (especially an 87 300TD), but it couldn't begin to do what I do with my 740 Turbo. The cooling system, transmission, and suspension on the Volvo are much simpler and heavier duty. Just a few weeks ago I towed my 22 foot 3500lb sailboat up a steep windy mountain road to go sailing on an alpine lake that's at 7000 feet elevation. I've also taken it camping several times in Baja, driving for days offroad on sand and rock while loaded with 1000lbs of gear and I've never had to do anything to the suspension other than stiffen the rear springs and add a locking differential. Somehow the Volvo has held up fine to this abuse for years and years, but I should eventually replace it with a 3/4 ton 4wd diesel pickup of some sort which is actually designed for this sort of use. Tyler Curt Raymond wrote: Tyler, We're not just parroting what Marshall said, we're giving you real world experience about a car you've apparently never been in... Why screw around trying to bodge something that works really really well? What Andrew is trying to do is go BACK to what his car had before some other bodger bodged it which I think is admirable. For the record I've ridden in Volvo wagons, the older boxy (pre '91?) body style, they DO NOT compare to a 123 wagon. -Curt Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:13:22 -0700 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4acfb582.2050...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Well, were they done properly? There's no inherent reason why a wagon wouldn't handle fine with a regular rear suspension. I'd be willing to bet that most of these conversions use stock sedan springs/shocks from a junkyard, which aren't stiff enough for a wagon. If I were going to do the swap I would cut the sedan springs down and add an aluminum spacer to get the correct ride height and spring rate, and get rear shocks that are valved properly for the increased rear weight (Bilstein will revalve their shocks cheaply). This would certainly be a lot cheaper and easier than replacing an engine- and would allow one to customize the spring and shock rate for the way they use their wagon. There's also a good chance that an aftermarket spring company somewhere makes the correct springs for this conversion. Other options that would work well are nivomat self contained leveling shocks, and air bags in the springs. I'm annoyed that people on here mostly parrot what Marshall said without understanding the context. Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
Modifications aren't about knowing more than Mercedes or re-inventing the wheel- fitting a proper rate spring and damper to give you the handling you want isn't magic or rocket science- there are dozens of books about it and it's done properly on almost every car made, including the vast majority of W123s. The ONLY difference is that the wagon has more weight in the rear end and cargo capacity, requiring a different spring rate and dampener valve. How different? Look at the same engineering books as the magic mercedes engineers looked at, and calculate it the same way they did for the sedan. Why did they go to all of the extra trouble and expense of the hydraulic system then? Because it gives a smoother ride, and it's a good marketing gimmick- not because a spring is dangerous or less reliable. I for one prefer a stiffer ride and better handling than most car buyers, so it's reasonable for me to modify the suspension on my vehicles accordingly- and I do careful research and make conservative changes to ensure that the result is safe and reliable. There's nothing wrong with modifying a vehicle to suit your needs, if you know what you're doing and why you're doing it. It doesn't have to mean that you think the origional engineers were wrong to do what they did, or that you know more, just that the circumstances are extremely different. I have had excellent luck adding and removing features, and making minor changes to many different brands of car to allow them to work properly under the conditions I use them in, which are often somewhat different from those they were designed for. I don't, for example consider the fact that I prefer to add a loud audible alarm to my oil pressure and coolant level sensors an assault on the competence of the company who decided not to include one from the factory. Sincerely, Tyler On Oct 9, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Loren Faeth wrote: I have done quite a few engine swaps, even put a v-8 in a body made for 6 cyl inline ONLY. That was an adventure. I have worked on everything from tractors to medium duty trucks, houses, commercial buildings concrete, etc. I do not presume to know more about suspension than the team of German-trained engineers (real engineers) that designed the 123 SLS system. tyler, have at it, but I sincerely hope you are never coming toward me with your frankenheap on an Icy curve with a bump on a rainy night. At 06:34 PM 10/9/2009, you wrote: *Ahem* I believe the term here is put up or shut up. If its so easy just take a long weekend at Andrew's and show us how awesome you can make his car. I'm sure he'd give you dinner... -Curt Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:48:30 -0700 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4acfbdbe.4020...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed It IS trivial to use a spring with the correct spring rate... Anyone that can do an engine swap, could do this much cheaper and easier. Tyler Peter T. Arnold wrote: GO for it! Redesign it. I'm sure that the effort would be trivial to a fellow like you. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091009/cfb2e204/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
Assuming you have the proper spring rate (not just sedan springs), and bilstein HD shocks that are valved properly for a wagon- Surely it would handle at least as good as a brand new self leveling system- and better if you made it a little stiffer (which would also eliminate the need for the leveling feature). I personally think the SLS is mostly a marketing gimmick- especially on a car that isn't designed for heavy duty towing. I guess it lets them get by with softer springs than they otherwise would need to prevent sag when loaded, which makes the ride softer- but certainly doesn't improve handling over a set of stiff regular springs. Sincerely, Tyler 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Oct 6, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: We are talking about a wagon here, correct? Putting in regular springs in a wagon makes for better handling? I think not. The SLS when working properly handles VERY well. It is a very simple system, very little goes wrong. That think will never be right if you just put springs in it. tyler wrote: It sounds like a lot of work and expense to reinstall the self levelling system- I'd just keep the regular rear suspension myself. Simpler, more reliable, and better handling. If it sags in the rear when you load it up, just get stiffer springs or some spacers. I've used overload springs with stock height, but a 20% stiffer rate on my Volvo wagons that I do a lot of towing with. It handles a little better, and doesn't really sag at all when I load it up- but I didn't notice any reduction in the ride quality. Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
It sounds like a lot of work and expense to reinstall the self levelling system- I'd just keep the regular rear suspension myself. Simpler, more reliable, and better handling. If it sags in the rear when you load it up, just get stiffer springs or some spacers. I've used overload springs with stock height, but a 20% stiffer rate on my Volvo wagons that I do a lot of towing with. It handles a little better, and doesn't really sag at all when I load it up- but I didn't notice any reduction in the ride quality. Tyler andrew strasfogel wrote: I am hoping to find a 300TD (wagon) motor to install so I can reconnect the self levelling system (SLS) on my wagon. Currently, the car is fitted with a perfectly adequate replacement 300D replacement engine from a non wagon. The PO disconnected the SLS (removed the hydraulic struts) and installed normal Bilstein shocks when he installed the current motor (which of course has no SLS pump). Idiot. Do you really need a turbodiesel engine, or are you messing with me? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] clacking noise from back of 190D
My opinion is that wheel bearing failure is something that happens slowly with tons of warning in most cases. I inspect and adjust my wheel bearings every time I replace the brake pads. If the grease is clean, and the bearings are properly adjusted and spin smoothly without excessive drag or play, then they aren't on the verge of failure. Tyler Zoltan Finks wrote: Funny that you should mention that. Wheel bearings came to mind when the wife was trying to describe what noise she was hearing. What happened when your front wheel bearings blew? I have heard that basically your wheels can fly off. And I too have been feeling paranoid, thinking how I don't have any idea if they have ever been replaced on either of our Benzes, and how the wheels could fly off at any moment. Was thinking of just having them redone to be safe. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this guy is on CRACK
Yea, he says 3 vintage Mercedes- Benz for the price of one. I think he meant to say 3 parts cars for the price of a brand new Mercedes Benz. Tyler Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: nobody is stupid enough to pay that. He probably have 1200 worth of cars there. Dimitri Seretakis wrote: I really hope nobody gets duped by that scammer. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 5, 2009, at 6:38 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Not only on crack; he's crazy as Hell, and the leather in the 240D looks exactly like the MBtex in my 80 240D and 81 300D. Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Banned List ban...@okiebenz.com; mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:59 PM Subject: [MBZ] this guy is on CRACK http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-S-series-Mercedes-Benz-Lot_W0QQitemZ220490259044QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item33563e5a64_trksid=p4506.c0.m245 Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?
Oh, yes Mercedes ACC is wonderful. For ever 3 hours I spend working on the ACC system in my 110 degree garage I can drive an hour in comfort without having to adjust anything! Truly luxurious. I have to replace a component in the ACC on my 190DT about as often as I have to adjust the manual hot/cold slider on my Volvo 740 Turbo. I think the MBZ ACC system is more complex than the entire Volvo. Tyler Peter T. Arnold wrote: That was one of the biggest joys of my 300SDL Pete ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Post-Apocalypse Planning
The glow plugs can be started by directly jumping them- connect a jumper cable between the battery and terminal on the relay, and then start the engine. I really doubt that the starter or battery would be affected by an EMP pulse. My 190DT would probably lose it's idle control computer as well as climate control and many of the gauges, but it should still run and drive fine. Tyler Rich Thomas wrote: I could bypass the relay, just put a manual switch in there. The starter might not take the voltage spike though? Would not want to resort to hand cranking. Might have to do some rewiring to get everything happy again. Fuel can be stockpiled (there was a guy in the woodworkers club who was some kind of fringe religion member, he had about 1000gal of diesel in a tote for the Y2K apocalypse that never happened) or can be made, or just run veggie oil. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] assist with diagnosis on no start
I don't think a W115 diesel needs to be any more complex to start than it was new in order to deter would-be thieves. Maybe it could be oiled or something? I don't remember the starting knob on my '74 240D being hard to pull at all. Tyler Redghost wrote: Well, you refer to my wimp and his mother here. I would guess it takes less pull than I am giving it in a properly set up car. It has gotten harder to pull recently, but I may have messed up the routing of the cable with recent valve adjustment, glow plug replacement and rebuild on injectors. What it does do is deter those fools who get a very crazy notion to steal a classic clunker clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Killing a Mercedes
There were about 0.7 million vehicles destroyed under the program, out of about 250 million vehicles on the road in the USA- so on average one out of about 350 used vehicles were scrapped. I am no fan of the program, but I don't think it lasted long enough to have a huge impact on the used car market. I hope they don't restart the program, however as I think the economic and environmental benefits of it were dubious. Tyler Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: This whole program is really going to hurt the lower income people who buy these cheap cars. Donald Snook wrote: Wilton wrote: Now THAT'S a pity! BTW, did he say it has 115 kmi or 150 kmi? Either way, not much at all. That makes my stomach hurt to watch that. What an enormous waste! Even if that was some crappy car that I hated, it would be a shame to do that to a car that runs and could provide cheap transportation to someone that needed it. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090910/f9f84d43/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Car find of the day: '65 220SEb for $2800 in LA
Too bad it's not diesel. Tyler Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: http://mbca.cartama.net/showthread.php?t=31348 Top of the line 1965 Mercedes 220SEb Heckflosse or tailfin model. All original. Beige in and out. The car was originally bought by an older lady in Germany. It was driven and maintained there for several years. Imported to Santa Barbara in the late 60's where she mainly drove it to the country club (evidenced by lots of memorabilia left for the second owner). In 1990, she sold it to the second owner in Van Nuys with only 54,000 miles on it. He drove it to Los Angeles for work most days for 10 years and held on to it for another five. He sold it to me two years ago with only 150,000 miles. It has a gasoline mechanically injected 120bhp 6 cylinder that purrs like a kitten and pulls like a horse. Fun to drive with great gas mileage. It has a 4 speed manual, Kuhlmeister original air conditioning, Becker Europa AM/FM radio and a host of other extra features. I still have documents with many years of original maintenance records, owners manuals and more. One of the first cars ever designed with safety crumple zones but you wouldn't know it with it's cool classy styling. Will send more pics on request. Best offer. 818-224-9065. djd...@gmail.com Not mine, no affiliation with seller beyond MBCA membership, etc. etc. Very respectfully, /s/ LCDR Max Dillon '87 300TD 313k miles Charleston SC -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090827/7fee0b42/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1981 300D to 300D Turbo
We've had this discussion before, but I do not believe that their would be any significant problems in adding a turbo to a non-turbo block, and the engine would last just as long. The IP can be tuned to provide sufficient fuel, but metering will be slightly less accurate, which might mean slightly more smoke or slightly less power- but not a huge difference. The piston oil squirters are a good design feature, but they aren't necessary, and probably don't affect engine life much at all if the engine is tuned properly to keep EGTs down- they certainly wouldn't result in very short engine life. The Volvo D24 is a less robust motor than these mercedes motors, but the design differences between the turbo and non-turbo models are similar- yet I've know a few people who added a turbo to the non-turbo motors and experienced no significant problems. Tyler Peter Frederick wrote: While you can just stick a trubo onto a non-turbo engine, you must at least change the IP over as well, along with any necessary running gear. The rear end ratio is indeed different, as well. Big problem is that the block is not the same, most especially there are no oil jets to cool the piston tops. Very short engine life will result. However, the engine will exchange complete with no trouble at all. Swap the diff (and the speedo) and you have a turbo model. If you don't swap the diff, you will get faster acceleration and worse milage.. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1981 300D to 300D Turbo
MB had good reason to add the modifications they did to the turbo engines, and if I was designing a turbo diesel I would add the same. That doesn't mean the engine will self destruct or not work correctly without them! They are good features to have on a diesel engine which make it run better, but you'll find plenty of reliable and durable turbo diesel engines without oil squirters or boost enrichment. It's absurd to accuse me of thinking I know better than Mercedes to think those features aren't absolutely necessary. Mercedes isn't in the business of doing only what is necessary to have a simple reliable vehicle. They have a specific purpose, cost, and advantages which both the Mercedes engineers and I are aware of. If you're designing a new engine from scratch it's great to add them, but if you're adding a turbo to an engine that doesn't have them- it will work just fine. Tyler Peter T. Arnold wrote: tyler wrote: We've had this discussion before, but I do not believe Got to admire a fellow who doesn't believe what the M/B engineers know and he's will to act on it. -- Pete, ...so I booked into a hotel and said to the receptionist, I hope the porn channel in my room is disabled. No, she said, it's regular porn, you sick bastard. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1981 300D to 300D Turbo
All you need to do is adjust the fuel enrichment and timing to get the full power of a turbo engine without changing the IP, but it will be smoky when you first step on the throttle before the turbo builds boost- otherwise it will work fine. I've owned and seen many turbo diesels without boost enrichment. Also, changing the IP for a junkyard one is trivial. Tyler Peter Frederick wrote: Unless you change the IP to the boosted one, there IS no difference -- in performance, either, for the most part. The minor increase in intake pressure you will get won't make much difference (except for no smoke and full power, maybe). It's the added fuel that makes more power. Add the fuel and you don't get enough piston cooling, resulting in scuffed pistons and excessive bore wear. Over-fuel and you can get melted pistons, too, but that's rather unlikely in a pre-chamber engine. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires - was: What do retired people do all day?
No, most Vanagons and Buses were 14 from the factory. Tyler Fmiser wrote: You could also look into the type of light truck tires used on a VW vanagon/bus which have reinforced sidewalls and are rated for as much as 2200lbs. Those are 15 inch, aren't they? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires - was: What do retired people do all day?
It was perfectly safe and stable, and easily drove over 1,000 miles- including the steepest mountain pass in the US freeway system. I added rear spring spacers to level out the car, and adjusted the headlights to the correct level. I have a custom made hitch that is approximately as heavy duty as what you'd see on a 1 ton truck. Also, the trailer contents were readjusted somewhat after that photo to reduce the tongue weight- but the entire volume of the trailer was filled, mostly with books and tools! I did drive it very easy, and stayed under 55mph to be safe. There was no sway or braking problems at all, even coming through the Siskiyou pass. The car was modified with a locking rear differential, and enormous transmission cooler, all synthetic fluids, rear spring spacers, high boiling point brake fluid, ceramic brake pads, an engine temperature monitor, and a transmission temperature gauge among other things. The Volvo 700 series is basically built like a small pickup truck... The key to making it safe is setting the car up properly, and driving very conservatively. If one were to take a stock Volvo wagon, and drive it like it didn't have a trailer (like I see most people with large pickups and trailers doing) they'd certainly lose control of the rig. Tyler Curt Raymond wrote: Can do and can safely do are 2 different things. That second picture of yours is clearly NOT safe. Theres either too much tounge weight on the trailer or too much weight in the back of the car. At night the car's lights will blind oncoming drivers. Also the ass end of the car will wallow and make the front wheels light. Not safe. I can't remember what you've got for a Volvo, I checked trailerhitches.com for an '87 760 wagon which is rated for 3300#. Remember thats the maximum weight with the trailer. '97 850 wagon gets 3500#. A 300D's towing capacity with brakes is something like 3300# so a TD should be the same or slightly more. Safe towing is not just about having brakes although thats real important, its about having enough weight so when the wind or a big hill is trying to move everything all sideways the downpressure on your tires is enough to prevent it... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O.........K............this is........different
It's very creative. What did they make it out of? Is it a C230 4matic? It's a nice idea- but they need to hand build new doors and a new interior with leather and wood to match the 20s styling of the front end, and probably cut the roof off and make it into a convertible. I think it *could* be a very neat car, but it's really only half done (or less). Tyler Hendrik Fay wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/RETRO-29-BENZ-2001-MODEL_W0QQitemZ260465400436QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Cars?hash=item3ca4f29a74_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Hendrik ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires - was: What do retired people do all day?
I don't know how much weight you put in your wagon, but I have a Volvo wagon that I also use as a mini suburban. I once towed a ~6,000lb trailer over 1,000 miles with it, and I regularly tow my sailboat with a large iron keel with it. I have some very expensive many ply Michelin tires that I believe are designed for small pickups and they work great. You could also look into the type of light truck tires used on a VW vanagon/bus which have reinforced sidewalls and are rated for as much as 2200lbs. Trailer tires are also a possibility. All of those tires will drastically hurt the ride quality and handling of your car. Just curious, how much load do you carry with your 300TD? I've always wanted to replace my Volvo wagon with a 300TD, but I'm not sure if the rear suspension or transmission could take the place of those on my Volvo, which can do this: http://illumina.ucr.edu/misc/740c22.jpg http://illumina.ucr.edu/misc/740_move1.jpg I want to try towing that sailboat to Big Bear Lake which is at over 7,000 feet elevation up a windy mountain road, and the boat weighs about 3,300lbs- but has it's own brakes. Could a 300TD handle that? Tyler Fmiser wrote: Speaking of tires... I often put a lot of weight in my 300TD. The suspension seems to handle it well, but I'm worried about the tires. 14 inch tires seem to be going the way of Kodachome, so the choices are limited. The 195/70 or 185/75 tires I'm finding have a weight rating of 590-610 kg. (1300-1345 lb) I have one old off-brand tire that's rated 695 kg (1532 lb). Anyone know of a decent 14 inch tire with a weight rating of more than 640 kg (1400 lb)? -- Philip, who's using his wagon like a mini-suburban. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300CD on Jalopnik
It's way overpriced, but looks like a fine example to me. Are you serious about the non-MBZ battery. Does anyone actually buy MBZ batteries? Sounds like a huge waste of money with absolutely no possible advantages over a cheap battery to me. If you want to spend a lot of money and do things the proper way, I'd think you'd go with an AGM battery? If somebody was so lacking in thrift to pay extra for an MB logo battery, they'd probably buy a new Huyndai instead of an older Benz anyways. The AC never works on an old Benz. If it actually works it's probably been recharged with one of those $30 R134a kits, which means everything is destroyed- a lot worse than a non-working system which may have salvageable parts. My 190DT blew cold when I got it, and kept doing so for a whole 6 months! Tyler ernest breakfield wrote: nothing especially good about this example; almost 200K miles, non-functioning AC rear windows, and the drivers-side vent pod is obviously fallen out of place in the pics... considering all the things that we already know are wrong with it that weren't fixed properly, the fact that the non-MBZ battery makes it obvious the owner didn't try to go the 'proper' route on repairs, the fact that it's non-turbo and that it's got the gawd-awful blue interior, and you might have to pay me to take it. cheers! e Curt Raymond wrote: http://jalopnik.com/5340446/1978-mercedes-300cd-for-a-flexible+fueled-3900 Lets get this one a nice price $3900 for a CD in good shape is a steal. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300CD on Jalopnik
When I say never works I mean never works in the used ones for sale. I know it's fairly easy to fix, but generally the people that maintain their AC and such don't sell their Mercedes- they're putting a lot more into it than it could ever sell for! What is it about a generic battery that you mean doesn't fit? Are you talking about the physical size, the electrical specs, or the terminal locations? I don't know what battery the W123 has, but my W201 has an aftermarket battery (interstate I think) that fits perfectly in the factory battery tie-downs. It looks like a generic size to me. Tyler ernest breakfield wrote: hi Tyler! battery; absolutely serious. i don't give a wank about a logo, but if you check the specs on the MBZ batt, it's well suited for the old diesel, and it *fits*. note that i'm an Optima/AGM fan in most of my other vehicles, but even Optima doesn't list anything appropriate for this car. (yes, i'm sure someone can try to *make* something fit; i'm not going there.) heck, we had the current batt put in by MBZ service in our driveway for about the same i could have paid for a less appropriate battery, and they took the old one away to dispose of it properly. AC; our Climate Control in our '85 works just fine, thank you... as most things do in something as simple to take proper care of as a W123 if you don't neglect them. point is; considering how simple it is to take proper care of a W123 and the number of things that are already known to be wrong or questionable about this one, it looks like a great example of the adage: there's nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes. ;-P cheers! e tyler wrote: It's way overpriced, but looks like a fine example to me. Are you serious about the non-MBZ battery. Does anyone actually buy MBZ batteries? Sounds like a huge waste of money with absolutely no possible advantages over a cheap battery to me. If you want to spend a lot of money and do things the proper way, I'd think you'd go with an AGM battery? If somebody was so lacking in thrift to pay extra for an MB logo battery, they'd probably buy a new Huyndai instead of an older Benz anyways. The AC never works on an old Benz. If it actually works it's probably been recharged with one of those $30 R134a kits, which means everything is destroyed- a lot worse than a non-working system which may have salvageable parts. My 190DT blew cold when I got it, and kept doing so for a whole 6 months! Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this guy is a moron
I can see it making sense financially since fixing the AC probably is too expensive unless you can do the work yourself, and the sum value of the parts is probably more than the re-sale price, since the 2.5 turbo engine seems to have such a high resale value. Quite a shame though, what a nice car. Tyler Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: so he is going to part out the car because it has a bad ac compressor. Probably a bad evap but still, cant see parting out the car. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-300sd-w140-1992-turbo-diesel-engine-runs-good_W0QQitemZ150366443276QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item230289d70c_trksid=p4506.c0.m245 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this guy is a moron
You're right. I didn't look at the ad for more than a second or so, and mistook it for a W124. Tyler WILTON wrote: A 2.5 140? Nah, that's 3.5; rod bender. Wilton - Original Message - From: tyler casi...@usermail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] this guy is a moron I can see it making sense financially since fixing the AC probably is too expensive unless you can do the work yourself, and the sum value of the parts is probably more than the re-sale price, since the 2.5 turbo engine seems to have such a high resale value. Quite a shame though, what a nice car. Tyler Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: so he is going to part out the car because it has a bad ac compressor. Probably a bad evap but still, cant see parting out the car. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-300sd-w140-1992-turbo-diesel-engine-runs-good_W0QQitemZ150366443276QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item230289d70c_trksid=p4506.c0.m245 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] pics of Mogthra in CA
There's a lot of myths and mis-information about Mercedes diesels. Marshall could cut through all of that junk, because his knowledge was from firsthand experience, critical thinking, and performing experiments on his own cars. I don't know where I'd be maintaining my 190DT without being able to search Marshalls posts. For one, I'd be trying to keep the oil full and REALLY frustrated about constant oil leaks and high consumption. With his let it seek it's own oil level my 230k mile engine doesn't leak a drop, and burns only about a quart every 10,000 miles! Tyler Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: yes, he did. Jaime thought he knew everything about mb diesels. Allan Streib wrote: Jaime kicked *Marshall Booth* off of a DieselTech list. That makes sense. Yeah. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nice SL on CL
I like it also. Personally, I think all Mercedes look best in black! Tyler Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:16 AM, WILTONwilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Guess I'll hafta let it go - too much black. I like it--- I think the black paint and the wheels (16-inchers off an early W140 or late W126, I think?) help the big DOT bumpers blend in to the body. It looks rather sinister compared to most R107s. Snook should pick it up---might help intimidate prosecuting attorneys and give him an edge. ;) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dang. It was one of the 'good' fuses.
I've been known to replace them with a strip of aluminum foil in an emergency. The strip needs to be wider to blow at the same level of current draw, since the foil is so thin. Even better is just taking a handful of spares from a junkyard. I like to coat the ends in di-electric grease, which seems to eliminate corrosion issues permanently. Tyler archer wrote: Since the porcelain bodies of the fuse are still good, it would seem that the fusible metal strips would be available someplace without buying the whole fuse? P.S. What's a brand/source for an infrared thermometer? Flukes are available for around $100 but I seem to remember a discussion about cheaper ones that also worked well. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home
True, I didn't think about that! Of course, that can also be an issue of maintenance and build quality. I've heard that Volvo 9 series are galvanized before they're painted and don't really rust... Tyler Rick Knoble wrote: -- From: Tyler casi...@usermail.com Also, cars don't actually ever have to be replaced all at once. A car is just a collection of parts which wear out at different rates and times- a car can be maintained indefinitely by replacing parts as they wear out. The car can work great the whole time, but presumably eventually have none of it's original parts left. People replace cars because they want to, not because they have to- and it almost never makes financial sense to do so. Look at taxis in very poor countries for a good example of this! Obviously you do NOT live in the rust belt. :) Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home
Or move? Tyler Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Even there you could probably keep replacing the metal, but would sure get expensive after a while. Rick Knoble wrote: -- From: Tyler casi...@usermail.com Also, cars don't actually ever have to be replaced all at once. A car is just a collection of parts which wear out at different rates and times- a car can be maintained indefinitely by replacing parts as they wear out. The car can work great the whole time, but presumably eventually have none of it's original parts left. People replace cars because they want to, not because they have to- and it almost never makes financial sense to do so. Look at taxis in very poor countries for a good example of this! Obviously you do NOT live in the rust belt. :) Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4Matic
I think they're all over the place, except in the USA, unfortunately :( Sometimes you can see grey market diesel SUVs like Mercedes G-wagens, and Toyota Landcruisers, but they're really expensive and rare. Tyler R A Bennell wrote: Me too! Don't really need a 3/4 ton. My F150 Supercrew seems able to tow what I tow and to haul what I haul (including people) but I would like a nice diesel. Not sure I want or need one of the 7 liter diesels or the rougher ride that would likely go along with the heavier duty truck. Don't like the price tags on them either. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:48 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4Matic I wish somebody would make a 1/2 ton diesel pickup. ~150hp ~30mpg... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Daughter Needs a Car... Pronto
Bicycling works a lot better here. I've actually found I can get almost anywhere in LA faster on a bicycle than in a car, due to the slow traffic. Plus the weather is great for cycling year round! I used to like driving, and like cars before I moved here- but now I can't stand it. I'd rather stay home than drive here. Amazingly, I have a friend from Athens and one from London- and they both rave about how courteous the drivers are here, and how light the traffic is. Tyler R A Bennell wrote: Because they don't have any other way to get around. Their whole system was designed for cars. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home
I don't think this argument is sound. Sure, all cars will eventually be crushed and probably replaced but the longer each is on the road the less resources are used, pollution generated, etc. to replace cars in a given amount of time. Also, cars don't actually ever have to be replaced all at once. A car is just a collection of parts which wear out at different rates and times- a car can be maintained indefinitely by replacing parts as they wear out. The car can work great the whole time, but presumably eventually have none of it's original parts left. People replace cars because they want to, not because they have to- and it almost never makes financial sense to do so. Look at taxis in very poor countries for a good example of this! A good example of this is my dads old wooden boat. It's about 80 years old, but only a few percent of the wood will be original once he's done restoring it. Sincerely, Tyler On Aug 12, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote: As for physics: the cars now being sold are already made, and the clunkers will eventually be crushed. It is a question of how much fuel will be consumed next year by the cars on the road. If I drive my 10 mpg pickup for another five years, all I do is burn unnecessary fuel. The car I'd buy tomorrow still exists (it has already been produced), and my pickup will eventually be crushed for scrap. It is just a question of whether it is crushed in 2009 or 2019, or (this being Iowa) perhaps in 2029 -- or even 2039. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Embarassing fixes.
I've got an embarrassing fix- The other day I was stuck in downtown Los Angeles at night in my Volvo 740 Turbo wagon. The solenoid would only click- not turn the motor over, and to make matters worse I was parked too far from the curb on a busy street. Horns would blare as soon as I got the drivers door open half way! I preceded to bang on the starter with a 5 foot sledge hammer, to no avail. I banged harder and harder from different angles in darkness, but nothing worked. Eventually I realized I had broken off the solenoid wire with the hammer, so I wired a new one to the battery. At this point I realized the large starter wire on the battery had simply slid out of the connector. I temporarily replaced this with a jumper cable, and jumped the solenoid with a section of wire and it fired right up! Triumphantly I waited for a gap in traffic and prepared to drive off. Once I got inside the car, the car wouldn't respond to throttle, and the battery was reading only 10v. I got back out, and realized I had destroyed a throttle linkage rod with the hammer, and the alternator wire no longer made good contact with the battery terminal either. I made a temporary throttle linkage from some spare electrical wire, and I wired in the alternator with the jumper cable I had used to run the starter! So far so good, the car drove off perfectly. A few minutes later on the freeway the headlight started to dim- the alternator was no longer charging. I searched and searched for an exit or shoulder to pull off in, but there was nothing for what seemed like miles and miles. I shut off my headlights a few times, but it didn't seem the safest thing to do in the aggressive high speed traffic of Los Angeles. Finally I made it to an exit, reconnected the jumper cable which had slid off the alternator, and made it back home without issues. A couple seconds with a crescent wrench on the battery terminal would have prevented all of this! Tyler '87 190D Turbo winmutt wrote: I have ignored 2 issues on my car for many moons now, sometimes failing starter and sometimes faling back window. I assumed the worst for both, sticky solenoid for the starter and bad wiring for the window. With the starter I would hit it with ye old 9 iron and it would start fine. The window seemed to come and go as my daughter would get in and out of the car. Well last week my wife made a comment about how the starter issue reminded her of my first car when we first met. Needless to say I wasn't going to take that laying down! Sunday I headed down to the junkyard for a starter and the second car I looked in was pure gold, turbo and trans were gone and the starter was all but hanging there. I got back home and got the car up and started undoing the wiring for the starter. Much to my suprise I found the signal wire to be loose! I screwed it down and voila! starts everytime. I started testing the switch at the door and found the + signal dead on g+b wire. Tracked it down to just a dirty switch at the center console, another easy fix! Nothing beats cold ice tea on a sunday afternoon in the hammock and the satisfaction of a job well done (without even breaking a sweat). -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1995 E300 Diesel * - $5000
I think both of those numbers are wrong. My '87 190D can cruise all day long at over 100mph without a problem other than bad fuel economy! 10 seconds 0-60 is really slow IMHO. My 190D feels almost as fast as my '87 740 Turbo which was advertised to do 0-60 in 6.7 seconds. Both have a curb weight of about 2800lbs. I think the W124 is a lot heavier. Tyler Alex Chamberlain wrote: Now that I look it up, you may well be right. The only reference I have for '80s diesel performance numbers is Frank Barrett's Illustrated Mercedes Buyer's Guide, not a particularly reliable source. He lists 10.4 seconds for 0-60 for the 124 turbodiesel and 10 seconds flat for the 201 2.5 turbo. On the other hand, he lists the top speed of the 124 diesel as 100 mph, which I (and others on the list, I'm sure) can personally attest is just silly! Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1995 E300 Diesel * - $5000
Ok, now I really need to weigh mine! We are only talking 200lbs, so it probably has to do with the trim level. Although mine is a 190D turbo, it is fairly bottom of the line as far as extra options like electric seats, etc. My Volvo 740 Turbo is slightly larger than a W124, and I was amazed to find it come in at only 2800lbs on an actual scale- with only about a gallon of fuel left, spare tire removed, etc. Tyler Mitch Haley wrote: tyler wrote: I think both of those numbers are wrong. My '87 190D can cruise all day long at over 100mph without a problem other than bad fuel economy! 10 seconds 0-60 is really slow IMHO. My 190D feels almost as fast as my '87 740 Turbo which was advertised to do 0-60 in 6.7 seconds. Both have a curb weight of about 2800lbs. I think the W124 is a lot heavier. I've got a '86 2.3-16 and a '87 2.5 turbo, and I believe the curb weight on both is in the 3000-3050 range. Other W201 models weighed less IIRC. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] check your credit card due dates
Why not switch to an honest and reputable credit union and let your old bank know exactly why. Providian/WaMu tried stuff like this on me, and scammed me out of a lot of money. Providian/WaMu had a policy that payments made via debit would be held for 2 days. So my day early payment was held for 2, and they charged me a $100 late payment fee and jacked my rate up to 28% apr. This fee over-drafted the account, and they charged me $50/day overdraft fees but took a whole month to notify me so they could build up to about 2 grand. But they lost a lot more than they made off me, because I immediately switched all of my banking away from them to a credit union, and convinced all of my friends and family banking with them to do the same. My credit union charges like a $15 late fee for payments, and will usually reverse any fee at all if you just call them up and ask nicely. It helps that the employees know most of their owner-customers on a first name basis. Tyler Allan Streib wrote: Apparently some of the companies are playing games to (it would appear) generate late fees. Happened to me this month, one of my cards has always been due on the 5th of the month this month it was due on the 2nd, for no apparent reason. I always pay the full balance but today, obviously, I'm a day late. Technically my fault because I did not look at the statement closely enough, but it's just something I've come to expect card X is due on the 5th Talking to some friends it became apparent that the same thing has been happening to them. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brake rotor / two piece vs one
You guys are right- they are two piece units. I guess I just didn't inspect it closely enough, since I half expected them to be one piece for some reason. In my defense, my condo-garage is over 100 degrees F, no lights, and has less than 2 feet of clearance between the side of the car and the wall on each side. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Aug 1, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Loren Faeth wrote: All the MB disk rotors I have seen on 63 to 94 cars have rotor separate from hub in the front and one flathead capscrew accessible from the outside on the rear rotor. On the older cars, front rotors are bolted to the hub from the inside At 03:45 PM 7/31/2009, you wrote: I'm 99% sure that the hub and rotor are a single piece. In fact, I'm pretty sure that most European cars used one piece hub/rotor units up until the late 80s. I know Volvo 740s had them stock, but you almost never see a 20-30 year old car with the original rotors anymore, as my 190DT appears to have... Maybe I'm just being stupid? I'll go back out and inspect them again tonight. Tyler Jim Cathey wrote: First I have heard of this. Are you sure about the one-piece-ness? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 190D brake rotor / two piece vs one
My 1987 190DT appears to need new front brake rotors because the wear lip is cutting into the sensor when the pads are only half worn down. It still has the original 1 piece rotors where the hub and rotor are a single unit, but I only see the two piece rotors for sale- without the hubs. Where can I buy the hub to convert over to the modern two piece system? Does anyone have a new or used set of front hubs they'd be willing to sell? I would imagine that any W201 is probably the same, and possibly a W124?original Sincerely, Tyler 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brake rotor / two piece vs one
I'm 99% sure that the hub and rotor are a single piece. In fact, I'm pretty sure that most European cars used one piece hub/rotor units up until the late 80s. I know Volvo 740s had them stock, but you almost never see a 20-30 year old car with the original rotors anymore, as my 190DT appears to have... Maybe I'm just being stupid? I'll go back out and inspect them again tonight. Tyler Jim Cathey wrote: First I have heard of this. Are you sure about the one-piece-ness? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] this cash for clunkers just makes me sick
It really bothers me also. There's no way destroying a perfectly good car is good for the environment. I've also noticed that the EPA seems to have dropped the economy ratings on a lot of older cars to make them seem worse, and hence get them scrapped. I think all of the turbocharged Volvos from the 80s and 90s are rated EXACTLY at 18mpg, when in reality they get as much as 25mpg. I'm a huge fan of these cars- they're sheer reliability and durability is good for the environment because they don't need to be replaced ever if maintained properly, and they're very versatile and utilitarian. It's horrible to see them being scrapped without the parts even being saved, and replaced with cheap crap that will end up in a junkyard within a decade. If anyone thinks the democrats care about the environment, I think they're being misled. They simply use the environment as an excuse for directing money towards big corporations. Tyler Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Going around visiting all sorts or dealerships since this cash for clunkers deal started is just sick I see all sorts of so called clunkers that are sitting in back, with spray paint on the side saying clunker, gettign ready for the crusher. Alot of these vehicles are perfectly fine. Geez. Many of the dealers around here will have several lined up along the street out front with that clunker stuff painted on the side to get attention. It is really killing the used car business as well. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Cadillac is SOLD!
They take care of that for you by charging almost half again what you paid for an older vehicle in fees when you register it. Tyler John Freer wrote: In CA, DMV says you can sell as many cars as you want as long as you aren't making a profit which would then require a license. That's an easy qualifier for me. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Cadillac is SOLD!
I half paid my way through college buying non-running 80s Volvos for generally under $100 on CL, and reselling them in the $600-1000 range with a few days of work, and usually $50 worth of junkyard parts and rubbing compound put into them. I generally drove them while I worked on them, so it also provided me with transportation... Tyler Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:14 PM, John Freermbfo...@gmail.com wrote: In CA, DMV says you can sell as many cars as you want as long as you aren't making a profit which would then require a license. That's an easy qualifier for me. As some wise person said: Don't buy old cars expecting to make a lot of money---expect to lose a lot, and be pleasantly surprised when you only lose a little. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] microcenter raises old mac mini price back up to 499
Good to hear somebody else has good taste in keyboards! I love these things and have 3 of them- and use them with USB adapters on my newer macs also. I can type almost twice as fast, and without ever any wrist pain with these keyboards. I program professionally and I couldn't physically type all day long on these cheap newer membrane keyboards that feel like I'm typing on raisins floating in a bowl of oatmeal. Plus they never wear out, and have enough weight stay put on the desk. Tyler '87 190D Turbo Gary Hurst wrote: keyboard is old IBM click click PS/2 model and mouse is some cheap generic usb optical ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] microcenter raises old mac mini price back up to 499
I use the old (mid 80s) keyboards as the quality gradually went down over time. They don't have a windows/apple key, but I simply remap the caps lock for that purpose, as I've never found any use for that key, except for accidentally bumping it. Tyler Alex Chamberlain wrote: OK, I get it. You are not talking about the original IBM clicky Model M but the later versions with the Windows key between Ctrl and Alt. Not the same thing, but still decent. So Windows maps to Command. Anyone running XP on a Mac out there who knows whether there is a way to change the mappings so the keys are in the right order regardless of operating system--- i.e. Command maps to Alt and Option to Windows when running XP? Having used Macs for 20+ years and Windows since 3.1, whenever that was, I am really used to Alt on Windows boxes and Command on Macs being next to the space bar, and this question is one of the things that makes me hesitant to switching to a one-box solution with an Intel Mac. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] microcenter raises old mac mini price back up to 499
Old Model Ms have a removable cable. I'm pretty sure all one needs to do to switch from AT to PS/2 is to plug in the cable with a PS/2 connector on one end. I believe I am typing this e-mail right now on one that was originally an AT keyboard when I found it in a trash can, and has since been upgraded to PS/2. Tyler Mitch Haley wrote: tyler wrote: I use the old (mid 80s) keyboards as the quality gradually went down over time. They don't have a windows/apple key, but I simply remap the caps lock for that purpose, as I've never found any use for that key, except for accidentally bumping it. I've got a couple of originals, circa 1982 with the ten function keys up the side. Very heavy, and very good keyswitches. There were adapters to plug them into AT motherboards at one time. I wonder if you could stack the PC to AT adapter and the AT to PS/2 adapter to hook one up to a modern motherboard? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: speeding
I think it has to do with how you act and how you approach the situation. For example, I always file a discovery request for the officers notes, bring signed affidavits from any passengers with their complete story, bring relevant photos and maps of the scene/car/etc, and generally act respectful and professional- and I also generally have a very good reason for why I was breaking the law (or else I wouldn't have been doing so- right?). I will also get a new haircut and wear a full business suit or very nice clothes. The judges are also often very interested in my scientific research, especially if I was driving somewhere related to it at the time. The cops generally look unprepared, unprofessional, and insincere in comparison and the judge can see that. Generally they don't even remember the exact incident and their notes don't match their testimony very well. Twice I've gotten tickets and instead of payment I sent in a copy of the relevant law highlighted along with a note to explain why my actions were not legally in violation- and they chose to dismiss the case without going to trial. Tyler Loren Faeth wrote: You must live on a different planet At 10:43 PM 7/16/2009, you wrote: What's so funny? Actually, I've been to traffic court like 6 times when I was a teenager and drove crazy, and had the fines reduced to the legal minimum or removed every time. Sincerely, Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: speeding
I absolutely disagree with what you're saying. Most judges are reasonable, and put the burden of proof on the officer, not the defendant- as is required by law. The judge also has the power to adjust sentencing to make the punishment fit the crime. For example, over a year ago in Oregon I got a ticket for running snow tires out of season. What I was doing was illegal, and I admitted it to the judge- but pleaded not guilty (the only option which gets you to court) because it had in fact snowed a few days earlier, and I had put the tires on just for that snow storm, and had then been out of town and didn't have time to change them back. The judge found me guilty, but reduced the fine to the absolute minimum (from about $150 to like $10). If you are professional, courteous and reasonable, and don't contradict the officers testimony (calling him a liar) but instead explain the circumstances surrounding your actions, most judges will give you the minimum sentence the law allows them to. Tyler Hendrik Fay wrote: Best off to just pay the thing, question is did you miss the sign or was the sign that badly vandalized that any reasonable person would not be able to make out what it was. What is the basis of your challenge? That there was only one partially obscured sign? You have to consider that a court will not go against an officer of the law unless you can absolutely prove that the issuing of the ticket was wrong. Can you do this? I recently got a red light running ticket in my truck, situation was that a bus had partially pulled into my lane whilst wanting to turn at the traffic lights, there was a car to my left and I was busy watching my mirrors and the bus to see how far over I could go, in order to not hit the car or bus. By the time I saw that the lights where just about to turn red it was too late to safely stop. I could go to court and explain the circumstances but the court would most likely say that given my experience I should have done better and stopped the truck if it was unsafe to proceed. Hendrik ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Will the real expert on oiling system of Engine 102 please stand up? Time lag
I had an M110 powered car that made noises like that once. I got my stethoscope out to see where the noise was coming from, and revved it a little bit to make the noise louder. Suddenly the motor stopped dead from 2,000 rpm and a few pounds of aluminum chunks fell onto the ground under the engine. I sold the car for $200 (twice what I paid) and never found out what it was... That was my first and last gasoline powered Mercedes. Tyler Robert Bigham wrote: Hello Wilton; I'm back ! It seems that from a stone cold overnight wait, it's about 5 seconds from the time the engine starts until oil pressure is shown on the dash gauge. During that time the engine makes little metallic tapping and clicking noises. From a 1 hr rest period and a semi-warm restart, it's more like 1 second from the time the engine starts until oil pressure is shown on the dash gauge. I haven't had an opportunity to restart after a real road trip and a rest, but I can tell you it's slow, and the engine makes larger metallic tapping and clicking noises, which some have dismissed as timing chain rattle, or something like that, until the dash gauge indicates oil pressure. These noises are big enough that my son the race engine builder was impressed by the noises. I'm sure there can't be a whole lot wrong, because I can cruise at 80 mph all day (I don't like to drive a whole lot faster than that). I have almost no noticeable oil consumption. I have driven the car at indicated 105 mph and it had some left. Total indicated mileage 155, 7xx miles. Mileage driven by me 31,000 so far. Thanks for your interest. I'll be interested to see what you think. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need a lift?
You can rent a small backhoe and have it delivered and picked up, and then dig it yourself... Tyler andrew strasfogel wrote: This all sounds plausible, except that I would need to obtain another residential construction permit from the D.C. authorities. I doubt there is a height limitation, however, so maybe this won't prove too painful an exercise... The other non-trivial challenge is to persuade my sig. oth. (who is an interiors architect) that this is a worthwhile and esthetically winning project. Other than that, it's a walk in the park! So the pit digging option is looking better by the minute. What type of contractor handles this sort of controlled mayhem? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: speeding
What's so funny? Actually, I've been to traffic court like 6 times when I was a teenager and drove crazy, and had the fines reduced to the legal minimum or removed every time. Sincerely, Tyler On Jul 16, 2009, at 7:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH tyler wrote: I absolutely disagree with what you're saying. Most judges are reasonable, and put the burden of proof on the officer, not the defendant- as is required by law. The judge also has the power to adjust sentencing to make the punishment fit the crime. For example, over a year ago in Oregon I got a ticket for running snow tires out of season. What I was doing was illegal, and I admitted it to the judge- but pleaded not guilty (the only option which gets you to court) because it had in fact snowed a few days earlier, and I had put the tires on just for that snow storm, and had then been out of town and didn't have time to change them back. The judge found me guilty, but reduced the fine to the absolute minimum (from about $150 to like $10). If you are professional, courteous and reasonable, and don't contradict the officers testimony (calling him a liar) but instead explain the circumstances surrounding your actions, most judges will give you the minimum sentence the law allows them to. Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] If it's not one thing it's another...
Dwight- is that a real company? Tyler Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: OK-but one last question- when do you use pantyhose? Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Our clams are fresh and our cars are vintage. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Fads
Car insurance seems like quite a scam- since it's required by law they have a captive audience. If the whole industry together offers bad service and high prices (which they seem to do) there's nothing we can do except pay it anyways, or drive illegally without it. Tyler Mountain Man wrote: Too bad that type of thing doesn't happen these days. It would be a nice change, instead of the fight anyone has trying to get anything from the insco these days - but, we gotta carry ins or we can get ticketed - nice - N O T ! ! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Fads
So you're saying it's not a scam because we have the option of posting a bond? Well, you have to post a bond of 35,000 US dollars which is exactly the same as requiring insurance for the ~99.99% of people who don't have an extra 35 grand laying around for which they don't mind being unable to even control for regular investment purposes. We should be allowed to take personal responsibility for our actions without posting bond. Personally, I don't drive much and when I do I drive in an extremely safe and careful manner. I would be more than willing to risk driving without insurance if it were legal because it's extremely unlikely that I will cause an accident due to negligent driving. Tyler John Freer wrote: Interesting take on this insurance thing but it's not true. In CA and many other stares the law reads you must show Financial Responsibility. How you do that is by posting a Bond with the state or purchasing liability insurance. There is no legal requirement that you have to purchase collision insurance so you can get a better Buick.However, if you finance the car, the lienholder may have a different opinion. And, no liability insurance, no registration which is exactly the way it should be. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Good article
I agree, the suburban is probably one of the most practical cars ever made - *IF* you have a need for it's abilities and don't mind it's somewhat short life span/low build quality. Too many people buy them for single person commuting in heavy traffic! When I was a kid we had a 1982 6.2 liter diesel Suburban which was the ultimate utility/camping vehicle. It towed our 10,000 pound boat easily (if you didn't care about speed), and hauled all of the supplies for my dad to build the house I grew up in. It also offroaded extremely well- we took it far down into Baja Mexico several times. Unfortunately, the build quality of them isn't quite up to par with what I'm used to (80s Volvos and Mercedes). We often had major breakdowns leaving us stranded on long trips, and the car developed serious rust despite being on the west coast (probably from launching boats in saltwater, and driving through salt marshes in Baja). Eventually the engine threw a rod with no warning after about 250,000 miles- which is far too short a life span in my opinion, considering that we maintained it very well. We replaced the engine with a used one which lasted only a few thousand miles, and then gave up on the Suburban all together :( Tyler Jim Cathey wrote: I had a Suburban for 10 years. It was a great vehicle. The burbinator is about the only SUV that I _don't_ have a problem with. That's because it's really a UV, no S. When you need one nothing else will do and that's OK by me. But most wouldn't choose to drive the burbinator as a daily commuter rig. But watching everybody only haul ass (one or two) around in those giant ultra-tall 4wd station wagons kinda bugs me. I'm just afraid that when the SUV fad ends things like the burb will get caught in the whirlpool, and then you won't be able to get one even if that's what you need. We'll see. We just put 1000 miles on the SEL, and it was a great cross-State road trip vehicle for us. Plenty roomy. Mileage wasn't great, but it sure behaved nicely. (Miss the SDL. Someday...) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Removing window tint
Can you just get the inspection done again at a different station? I'm not sure how the inspection works over there... Don't remove the tint from any glass- it will be extremely difficult, and tint is a nice thing to have! Worst case scenario, go to a junkyard and buy a whole set of clear glass and a rear hatch- should be less than $100. You can install it in an afternoon, and keep the old tinted windows for possible future re-installation, or to resell to someone elsewhere whom can use it legally. Definitely don't try removing the back glass, or scraping it. It will probably break before it comes out (but the side glass is probably fairly easy with proper technique). Tyler andrew strasfogel wrote: Well, this morning DC motor vehicle inspection got me big time. :( I was told to REMOVE all the window tinting on my 85 300TD wagon to comply with their rules regulations. Major bummer. Has anyone BTDT and can recommend a plan of action for me? There are a grand total of 7 glass panes that I must scrape and treat, including the rear hatch glass. The latter is my biggest concern - I don't want to break any of the sensor wires. Thanks in advance, Andrew 1983 300TD - tinted windows, passed DC inspection 4/08 1985 300TD - tinted windows, failed inspection 7/09 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - cheap kids car
Volvo 245 non-turbo. Tyler OK Don wrote: The kids need another car - at or under $3000, and if it's an MB, I'll have to maintain it. Which of teh GM, Frods, Japanese cars should be considered, or absolutely avoided? Kaleb - what's for sale now? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - cheap kids car
I'm not a fan of the 850. They're a lot more complicated/difficult to work on, and overall lacking the ridiculous over-engineered heavy-dutyness of the 200 and 700 series Volvos. They also cost 3-4 times as much! And FWD is no fun. Tyler OK Don wrote: How about the 850? http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/ctd/1245382290.html http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/ctd/1245015924.html http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/1238586491.html http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/1227123210.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts
IMO nobody with financial sense would buy a new car, regardless of their income level, because of the enormous instant depreciation when the car goes from being labeled as new to used the second the title is transferred into your name. I know several people who are extremely wealthy, and most drive used (but new condition) cars they purchase with cash. People I know who have new cars are generally low income and live month to month and think of things only in terms of monthly payments rather than long term costs. Somebody a few days ago said to me it's great that you can drive these old Mercedes, but it wouldn't work for most people unless they knew how to do all of their own work. I really doubt that even paying a shop to maintain an 80s diesel Benz like an aircraft and keep it in perpetual new condition, would cost as much as the payments on the cheapest of new cars. And a well maintained older Benz only has maintenance costs- it will resell for it's purchase price. There seems to be some sort of myth that an older car is less reliable, which is often used to justify the purchase of a new one. In my opinion reliability problems are virtually always due to maintenance issues, and have almost nothing to do with the age (or mileage) of a car beyond the fact that people are more likely to neglect needed work on an older car (but that's up to the owner)! Tyler LarryT wrote: That's always made me wonder too - a $30k car (average price these days) with a DP of say, $5000 in the form of a trade in and you're still financing $25k. Even at a cut rate interest rate od 3.99% the monthly payment is ~$460/mo. Add a house/apt - $800 min - and you're up to $1260. add food and you're at $1560 which is $18720 per year. To make that you;d need to earn ~$25000 per year. But to be realistic you need little details like insurance, gas, maintanence, utilities (not insignificant) so it's hard to image how people afford new cars much less $50K SUVs. LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now our 190 has been in an accident
Only if they have a turbo... Mountain Man wrote: mguzziridr wrote: Here is a Craigslist 1988 190D in North Carolina for comparison. $3900.00 http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/1236640823.html That doesn't look like a 2.5, does it? I thought all 2.5 had the fins at the front left fender at turbo intake? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] My goodness
Why would I buy that one when the other ones for sale all get 50+mpg? It must need major work! Last summer I sold my 1984 Volvo 760 Turbo Diesel, and had a lot of disappointed potential buyers when I told them it only got 30mpg. They asked me questions like why does this only get 30mpg, when the Mercedes diesels which are heavier and automatic with a bigger engine get nearly twice that? The only thing disappointing to me about a cheap car that can comfortably cruise all day at 85+mph and still return 30mpg, and have 600-700 miles range with it's (very large) diesel tank is the fact that it goes so long between fillups that the windshield can get very dirty between washes. Tyler Curt Raymond wrote: http://worcester.craigslist.org/cto/1212756190.html He's realistic about the mileage, amazing... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Happy 240D day
Unless your planning ahead involves installing a turbo or swapping out the motor, I don't see how it could work. Long live the 616! Tyler Loren Faeth wrote: Today is 6 16 and that makes it the day to honor the venerable cucharocha, the 240D, and all those who drive them, planning ahead how to get up enough speed to pass something, and those who keep them running. Long live the 240D! Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now our 190 has been in an accident
Don't accept the small amount they offer! Demand a fair price! When a guy in a cadillac escalade backed out of his driveway into the side of my 740 Turbo Wagon their first offer was about $700 minus $200 buyback minus $200 deductible. They seriously thought I'd take a $300 check for having a nice car destroyed! I ended up getting a $1500 check, after deductible AND buyback- and am still using the vehicle with the body damage. I still think it was a bit low, but many times their initial offer. Tyler Zoltan Finks wrote: This being an uncommon occurrence for both my wife and me, we are learning how things work. Today I think I figured it out. Here's what I wrote her: So basically I think we have it understood: 1. We get hit 2. We have damaged car 3. Repairs will NOT be paid for 4. Insurance company will pay us the value of the car (considered buying it from us???) 5. Our registration will be canceled and we cannot re-register it 6. If we want the privilege of registering our car we will have to pay the insurance company some amount, hopefully less than they paid us (considered buying it back???) 7. We would now have a salvage title Net results: Damaged car, A small amount of money given us, A salvage title Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Now our 190 has been in an accident
They have a legal responsibility to fully repair or replace the vehicle to your satisfaction. Research comparables in as good or better condition, and demand enough money to actually buy one! If they refuse- you can take them to small claims court or get a lawyer. Be really careful what you say on the phone, because they will ask leading questions to trick you into saying your vehicle has low value, or that you were responsible for the accident. Is this your insurance company, or theirs which is paying you? Did you have full comprehensive/collision coverage? Your company should be on your side, and put the pressure on the other company for you. Tyler Zoltan Finks wrote: So I assumed that the insurance company would just say NO to our counteroffer. How did you get them to relent? I mean what bargaining power do we have? They have the power. We are looking up listings and preparing our case. I think Blue Book on the car is about $1000. But they go for much more than that. Unfortunately not as much as they went for when we bought it. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 3 ton Sprinter v. 18lb Trek -- I lose
When some idiot in a car tries to lecture me about cycling technique while riding with proper lane placement I respond with READ EFFECTIVE CYCLING. Since it sounds like you were riding legally in the safest manner possible, if you or your lawyer need any legal ammunition you might want to give the author of said book a call: http://www.johnforester.com/ Sorry to hear about your accident, and I hope you at least get a nice new bike. Although I'm go for lugged steel over carbon myself! Sincerely, Tyler On Jun 7, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: Was out for my Sunday morning ride, a gorgeous cool morning here in the Low Country. About 20 miles into it on one of our 2 narrow picturesque 2 lane roads when a goober in a Sprinter decides to educate me on bicycle safety. I ride about a foot or two from the right white line, plenty of room for cars to pass, a car behind might have to wait for an oncoming car (of which there are very few on Sunday morning, why I ride then). Most people are pretty good about it, esp on a Sunday morning. So this guy gets right alongside me, like a foot away and rolls down his window and starts to yell at me about bicycle safety and riding in the middle of the road and can't pass blah blah. I must say I told him what he could do with himself and his lesson, in fairly specific terms. Well, about that time here comes a car the other way (double yellow lines, he is across the center), he tries to speed up and pass (acceleration is not a forte of the Sprinter it seems) then pushes right to miss the oncoming vehicle, I try to push off the back fender so he won't hit me, I and go down pretty hard on the pavement. One skids a ways when you are cranking along about 20 or so, spandex is pretty slick. I will spare you the details of the damage to my left side, suffice it say my pale white skin is several shades of red now, and will likely develop other colors of the rainbow over the next few hours. Doc wifey took some piccies, will go see my doc manana. The guy did stop, I was a bit rung but still pretty mad after I managed to drag myself out of the road a bit. A couple other cars stopped a few minutes later, a couple called the cops (one had just passed me the other way a few minutes before, she showed up pretty quick) and bambablance. I called my wife, she showed up wicked pissed and went off on the goober too, who confabulated quite a story. The deputy was not familiar with the new bicycle laws, so only wrote him a ticket for improper passing. Since no one had witnessed it, she could not get him for assualt with a deadly weapon, to wit, a motor vehicle though she wished she could. The EMTs let me go after a bit of a checkup, I knew who the president was and what day it was. Earlier I had another close call with an ATT van, I stopped and noted the time and place, was thinking about giving them a ring, I am definitely on that tomorrow. I did not see any other vans, so finding who that was should be pretty easy. We have a new, fairly stringent bike law here in SC, the deputy was not aware of it but said I could go to the judge to get more charges on the guy. Anyway, there is a lawyer who works with the local cycling coalition, gonna call him tomorrow and I'm gonna find myself a junkyard dog advertising on late night TV. This goober is in for the sh**storm of his life. I might even get me a nice Sprinter out of the deal!!! The bike seems to have pretty much survived, though I need to check it out and see if it is salvageable (those new Madones look very nice). I am pretty banged up and sore but still upright. Off to find some happy pills... --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 3 ton Sprinter v. 18lb Trek -- I lose
Actually, strong evidence exists (see the book Effective Cycling) that riding out in the lane with the cars and following all of the same traffic laws is significantly safer statistically than riding in the shoulder, in a bike lane, on a bike trail, or on the sidewalk (it's illegal to ride on a sidewalk BTW). Most bike accidents aren't caused from rear collisions, but from cars turning or pulling out and being unable to see the bikes because they're too close to the edge of the road. Tyler Loren Faeth wrote: I always had the right of way sailing an 80 lb sailboat on the Mississippi. Having the right of way does not mean you are smart to take it. There is no way a tow with 15 barges can get out of the way of a itty bitty sailboat. A little courtesy goes a long way. Before you flame, yes, it is a little different scale, but it illustrates a point. I like bike riding, and if you value your life, you stay out of the way of motor vehicles. There are plenty of bike trails and sidewalks. There are plenty of A**h*le bike riders. There are plenty of people in motor vehicles who are trying to make a living, and that makes them be in a hurry. Like it or not, riding a bike near the centerline is essentially flipping the bird to all drivers, and drivers know that. If you want to ride on roads, come to Iowa and ride on Ragbrai. A lot of effort is made to make the roads safe for bike for that trip. Ride safe ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 3 ton Sprinter v. 18lb Trek -- I lose
I want to clarify - when I say out in the lane I mean just to the right of the stream of cars (by about 3 feet), but not all the way to the shoulder if the cyclist can't keep up with the car traffic, and isn't turning left. This way you're staying visible- but not blocking the path of rapidly approaching cars. I don't think the decision between alive and dead right is as clear cut as one might think. Quite often the safest way to cycle is also the only legal one- vehiclular cycling where a cyclist rides in the road and obeys all of the traffic laws that other vehicles obey. Cycling as a pedestrian (using sidewalks, crosswalks, multi-use paths) is extremely dangerous for both the cyclists and pedestrians, and should be illegal IMO. Tyler tyler wrote: Actually, strong evidence exists (see the book Effective Cycling) that riding out in the lane with the cars and following all of the same traffic laws is significantly safer statistically than riding in the shoulder, in a bike lane, on a bike trail, or on the sidewalk (it's illegal to ride on a sidewalk BTW). Most bike accidents aren't caused from rear collisions, but from cars turning or pulling out and being unable to see the bikes because they're too close to the edge of the road. Tyler Loren Faeth wrote: I always had the right of way sailing an 80 lb sailboat on the Mississippi. Having the right of way does not mean you are smart to take it. There is no way a tow with 15 barges can get out of the way of a itty bitty sailboat. A little courtesy goes a long way. Before you flame, yes, it is a little different scale, but it illustrates a point. I like bike riding, and if you value your life, you stay out of the way of motor vehicles. There are plenty of bike trails and sidewalks. There are plenty of A**h*le bike riders. There are plenty of people in motor vehicles who are trying to make a living, and that makes them be in a hurry. Like it or not, riding a bike near the centerline is essentially flipping the bird to all drivers, and drivers know that. If you want to ride on roads, come to Iowa and ride on Ragbrai. A lot of effort is made to make the roads safe for bike for that trip. Ride safe ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 3 ton Sprinter v. 18lb Trek -- I lose
I do an awful lot of riding on 2 lane highways and never had a problem like this. The highways are either wide enough for a bicycle and 2 cars to all pass one another side by side, or the speed limit is low enough for the cars to slow to bicycle speed safely before waiting to pass. There are *some* high speed roads with lanes that are too narrow for this (usually called freeways), but I've rarely had trouble picking bike routes that avoid them. In rare instances if I do have to ride on one for a short period of time, I wait for an already slow moving car before entering the roadway, and get right in front of it in the middle of the lane. Since they're already going slow, the cars behind them are as well and no pileup occurs. Then cars can continue to pass one at a time as oncoming traffic allows, and I continue to have at least one slow moving vehicle behind me at any given time. This is annoying to both me and the drivers (but perfectly safe for all involved)- and is necessary only very infrequently, and can be remedied with better road design. Tyler R A Bennell wrote: Must be an awful mess to clean up all the wrecked cars and bodies when a bicycle is on a 2 lane highway where vehicles are travelling at 60 to 70 mph and one encounters a bike and there is oncoming traffic and the lead car hits the brakes and 10 more pile into the back of him. Yes, I really do believe we must support those laws to protect those nice green bike riding fools, oops, souls from the rest of us fuel guzzling polluters in cars and trucks. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 3 ton Sprinter v. 18lb Trek -- I lose
If doing something simple that makes you significantly healthier, wealthier, and happier (and helps do the same for others) makes one a nutjob extremist, sign me up! I think it's funny how people dismiss bicycling as something only done by nutjob extremists. If more people would use bicycles when they don't need to carry anything large, and are going less than 20 miles (nearly all driving)- this single change would cause major effects on the obesity epidemic (and corresponding illnesses), disposable income (helping the economic crisis), dependence on foreign oil, air pollution, and global warming. All without inventing anything new, or passing any laws which restrict peoples rights and opportunities. In the USA the average person takes 3-4 car trips per day, with an average distance of 10 miles each. If someone took two of these trips via bicycle they would spend about an hour riding- which is just about the amount of daily exercise necessary to maintain cardiovascular health. My question is- what kind of nutjob wouldn't ride a bike? Sources: http://www.industrializedcyclist.com/nhts.pdf http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=0309085373 Tyler ernest breakfield wrote: green? uh, yeah, sure, whatever,... sure, bicycling is more environmentally friendly, but moreover, who amongst us couldn't stand to slow down a little, and/or get more exercise? what? no high blood pressure? no high cholesterol? no extra fat to spare? forgive the generality, but it seems that the people who complain about cycling like this the most are often the ones who could most benefit from it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Checking tranny fluid level engine off
So does my dads 1987 Subaru XT Turbo. I wish all cars did. Tyler R A Bennell wrote: I think my old Honda Civic did too. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 8:50 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Checking tranny fluid level engine off YES !!! -That's where it was, in the Sonnett! I couldn't remember which manual tranny car had a dip stick. And speaking of manual trannies, I always loved that my Saab manual tranny had a dipstick. -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090606/358677e6/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Checking tranny fluid level engine off
It's 4wd with an actual locking center diff (not FWD or AWD). I always wanted once since I was a kid and saw one in the junkyard. It was my car but my wife didn't like it so I traded it with my dad for his Volvo 244 Turbo. He lives in the northern Idaho mountains and uses it to commute in the winter when there's 2 feet of snow in the road. It drives like a sports car, but can easily handle 2 feet of snow! I love that thing, it's straight out of an 80s sci-fi movie with more useless gadgets than you could possibly imagine! Some of them even work! I removed the worn out air suspension and replaced it with coils from a station wagon- so now it has tons of ground clearance, but still a fairly stiff and body-roll free ride. Believe it or not, it's 100% rust free and even the paint and interior are perfect. I bought it from a college student for $300 because it had a bad clutch cable, and he got in a fender bender and his parents said he wasn't allowed to drive anymore. The hood and fender were dented, but my dad found an exact paint match in the junkyard, so it's like new now. Tyler Mitch Haley wrote: tyler wrote: So does my dads 1987 Subaru XT Turbo. I wish all cars did. Your dad drives a 22 year old doorstop? Oh yeah, you're in California so it's probably only half rusted out by now. FWD or AWD? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 126 CD-ROM FSM needed
These should still work They're showing seeders: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4448561/Mercedes_Benz_w126_Service_Manual . http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4462467/Mercedes_Benz_w126_Service_Manual._2nd_CD On Jun 5, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: So, anybody want to post a link to a site where I can download the two CDs for the W126? The torrent URLS on piratebay.org that Tyler posted a month or so ago don't work anymore. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil
I think the old insights get as much as 75mpg if you get the correct model (manual transmission w/ lean burn)! Tyler Curt Raymond wrote: I'm seriously disappointed by the new Insight, I can't see why I'd want one, 40/43 mpg, seriously? In 2003 it got 47/49... You want mileage get a Smart, its cheaper. Or for nearly the same economy in a sportier car wait for the Festiva... I'm seriously considering a Festiva. I'll give you $500 for your 190D. $1000 if you deliver to MA. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil
I realize oil brands and weights tend to be a quasi-religious issue, with most people (myself included) having strong convictions with little evidence. Some of the reasons I use the thinner oil: 1) The 5w40 will start quicker, and build oil pressure quicker, especially in cold weather 2) It remains just as thick at operating temp and above 3) M1 Turbo Diesel Truck is only widely available in this weight, and it's intended for diesels and rated to handle more diesel soot than regular M1 4) It's usually about the same price 5) It's MB approved for all temps (is 10w40 approved at all in the current specs?) 6) And last but not least- it's what Marshall used I wouldn't hesitate to use another weight of M1 if I couldn't get 5w40, but 5w30 would be my second choice. I think that the thicker oil will accelerate engine wear, especially in cold climates and offer no advantages in warm climates, except for possibly reduced oil consumption in a worn or leaky engine. My 190DT doesn't burn or leak significant amounts of oil... Tyler Curt Raymond wrote: What advantage do you see in the 5w40? I use it but only because its usually slightly cheaper and is better in the cold here in New England but other than that I see no real advantage. I use 15w50 in my garden tractor because it leaks less but still starts better at -10F than 10w40 conventional oil. 5w40 M1 *might* have slightly better (or stronger) cleaning action but thats a big might... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil
You're correct- but diesel fuel is oil. If you search diesel forums online, you'll find many cases of blue smoke being caused by problems with the injectors, or injection timing rather than burning oil. Tyler Zoltan Finks wrote: So blue smoke could be something other than burning oil? I thought blue smoke always meant burning oil. Thanks for the suggestions. I will have to try to check the breather and/or install a new one. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More OIL Questions
I've always seen it in stock when I look at Autozone. Tyler LarryT wrote: Howdy! Shell Rotella is an excellent choice if Mobil 1 is not available\\ The type of Mobil 1 recommended for older diesels like ours is M1 Diesel Turbo/Truck Synthetic Oil in 5W40. If W'mart doesn't have it, try AutoZone or one of the FLAPS in your country. I rec'd a email reply from AutoZone saying all of heir stores carry the 5W40 M1 but they may not stock it. Each store should gladly order it from their distributor. It seems they have access to much more than they carry on their store shelves. For more info on the Shell Rotella check out http://www.shell.com/home/Framework?siteId=rotella-enFC2=/rotella-en/html/iwgen/products/zzz_lhn.htmlFC3=/rotella-en/html/iwgen/products/product_rotellasynth.html Else go to www.shell.com and search for Rotella T 5W40 (a fully synthetic Heavy duty engine oil for gas diesel engines) if there's a problem with the link -- Good luck - LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
