Re: CS>Children, non- viral epidemics.

[Clayton Family]

It is probably mold.   In new zealand, they were able to stop a sids 
epidemic, they found it was a mattress problem, specifically a mold 
growing in it.


Astham can be caused by a fungi- coccydiomycosis (sp?) Valley Fever, 
here in the west, babies too. I am not sure about the eczema, but it 
does seem to be allergy related, and much of that is fungally driven. 
The mold seems to do something to the immune system.


Drs do not seem to be looking at it as a possible cause.

On Oct 19, 2007, at 12:43 PM, John Plumridge wrote:

Babies die from all the communcable diseases. Explain that, but not to
me.
Babies get atopic eczema at birth, and asthma: it's an epidemic, but 
not a virus. Explain that.



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Re: CS>Vaccines- chronic fatigue / NIACIN

[Jodi]

Nenah wrote: 

--By the way, I'm glad to be re-subscribed to this list, after a fairly 
long hiatus. 





I thought your name seemed familiar!  Welcome back, Nenah.   I hope 
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Re: CS>how to minimize expenses when buying herbs

[zoe w]

Exactly   and a good many of them can easily be grown in your own backyard  
even if its very small.

zoe

> I get really pissed off when I see how much practitioners mark up their 
> products.
>  
> www.mountainroseherbs.com  sells organic and wildcrafted herbs and
> spices in bulk, at very reasonable prices.
>  
> Nenah



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CS>how to minimize expenses when buying herbs

[Nenah Sylver]

I get really pissed off when I see how much practitioners mark up their 
products.

www.mountainroseherbs.com  sells organic and wildcrafted herbs and spices in 
bulk, at very reasonable prices.

Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD
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* Transfer Factor for superior immune support
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* VIBE raw fruit & vegetable concentrate for total nutrition

RE: CS>Vitamins & Minerals II

[ruth strackbein]

From Ruth StrackbeinHi, Ruth B. from Ruth S.  I have 
had one Ondamed session with a Dr. Essen at the Whole Life Clinic, Inc. 904 E. 
143rd St. Burnsville , Mn. 55337. Phone 952-891-3019.  Website: 
www.wholelifeclinic.com Naturopath. I am currentlytaking the following 
Alternative Health preparations: Digestazon Plus, Una De Gato Honey Vinegar, 
Sangre De Drago from Amazon Herbs. Also Fiberzon Plus Rhubarb Root, from the 
same company. 
   In addition, I use Hydrozyme, Organik-15, Bio GGG-B, Bio FCTS from Metabolic 
Management, P.O. Box 546, Grant Park,Illinois 60940, 800-373-1373. And Lipophos 
EDTA from Allergy Research Group.  Don't have the address for them handy. And 
Prescript- Assist , a probiotic, www.safermedical.us .  These are all designed 
to aid in digestion. These preparations are very,very expensive.  My son paid 
for the first round, and I for the second, but don't know if I can continue, at 
least not in the prescribed amounts.  So far I do see some improvement in colon 
transit speed, but that is more likely due to regular Doctor prescribed daily 
doses of Milk of magnesia, which Dr. Essen knows about.  My regular Drs. also 
know about the Ondamed things I am using.  I am currently taking Milk of mag 3 
times a day between meals in doses of 1, 1 and a half or 2 tablespoons as seem 
to be needed.  You may not have read my earlier posts about the condition of my 
colon which is a great deal longer than usual, very floppy , and has a tested 
transit time of 7-8 days!  It has been recommended to have either partial or 
total colon removal, but , because of my age (79) it was deemed wise to try 
some rather drastic methods to get this organ into action more regularly.  You 
may include this information if you think it will be useful to enough people. 
The sites to purchase the above listed products are probablyof general 
interest.  Those companies carry other natural products as well.  Ruth 
Strackbein


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Oct 2007 14:52:21 -0500Subject: CS>Vitamins & Minerals II



Hi again!
 
I've been asked to do a recap of everyone's suggested regimes that I requested 
in a separate post, which I think is a great idea.  Something that might be 
helpful would be to let us know where you get the products (i.e., Walmart, 
health food store, online, etc.) and then to provide links to those products 
where appropriate (as I suspect a large portion are being ordered online).  
Please feel free to provide any other suggestions to the lists for use in the 
recap.  
 
Thanks! (& crossin my fingers this only goes once to each list)
Ruth B.
 
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Re: CS>Silver Seal antibacterial, washable mouse and keyboard

[Carol Ann]

aMAZING. When you consider just spraying these types of instruments down with 
CS solution daily. No doubt they will be all the rage.  The hospitals will no 
doubt pass the cost on to their patients, thus higher insurance rates.   LOL.  
They never stop thinking about how to make a buck... 

Simon Jester  wrote: Interesting...

Impregnated with silver ion nanoparticles...

http://tinyurl.com/2zh39x


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Re: CS>Phd medical bio-chemists

[Tad Winiecki]

The cool thing, John, is that almost all plants have a medicinal value. 
 There is a book in 2 volumes, "The Energetics of Western Herbs" by 
Peter Holmes that tells the Chinese medicine active principles of all 
the common weeds.  Lets see them get rid of all the weeds.  Gardeners 
can't.


Nancy

On Oct 19, 2007, at 9:43 AM, John Plumridge wrote:

They're all into alternative medicine and reiki, they just want to own 
it, regulate it, license it and package it. Reiki will be illegal 
without latex gloves, and super-enhanced with an electronic gadget, 
because their  theory will tell you it's all 'energy' = electricity.


The day when you can buy or trade non-prescription medical herbs will 
shrink away within  1 century.


JOhn


--On 18 October 2007 13:28:03 -0400 Simon Jester 
 wrote:



On 10/18/2007, Ode Coyote (odecoy...@alltel.net) wrote:

I know a few PHDs that have private lives that would just blow you
awaysome "alien contactees" working for the UN and , alt
practitioners at home, toe the line scientists at work.
Preachers who have very different experiences guiding them, than what
they sermonize about on Sunday.  They can talk freely to the
non-flock who can keep a quiet secret.
I'll never name or expose them in any way and they know it.


Where is the virtue in having these 'private lives', if they remain
hidden and secret?

Another question: WHY are the keeping them secret? Certainly not out 
of
fear of what people in general would think. So, obviously, it is out 
of

fear of what their 'superiors' would DO to them (job/career loss?
discredited and humiliated? murdered?).

Again... these people you seem to revere so much are nothing more 
than -

in my book - COWARDS.

Worst of all, these are the very people who could actually do 
something

ABOUT this mess, if enough of them got together and came 'out of the
closet' together.

Cowards - and worst of all, since these are the people that would
actually stand a VERY GOOD CHANCE of bringing an abrupt (but probably
nasty) end to the horror that is our current medical/disease paradigm,
simply by standing up and speaking out en masse - in accordance with 
the
Nuremberg principles, they are no better than the puppet masters that 
are

pulling the strings, and just as guilty for all of the unnecessary
suffering and death.

Maybe if they had less 'Phd', and more BALLS, things would be 
different.



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Re: CS>Vaccines- chronic fatigue

[Kurt Milkowski]

No problem Marshall.
   
  Kurt

Marshall Dudley  wrote:
  Wow! That is news to me, but searching the net, I find quite a few 
articles on this. Definitely worth more research on my part.

Thanks,

Marshall

Kurt Milkowski wrote:
> The pathogen is Borrelia burgdorferi and all of its friends. The 
> aspartame and mercury are food for the bugs. Yes lyme has been around 
> for a long time, they just keep making it better all the time. Keeps 
> us confused that way. In a recent study 100 out of 100 alzhiemers 
> patients tested postive for Bb post mortum, very intersting.
> 
> Kurt
>
> */Marshall Dudley /* wrote:
>
> I used the wrong word. I meant weapnoized for the lyme. Lyme existed
> long before it was apparently weaponized, but apparently as a much
> less
> virulent strain. The present epidemic seems to have developed from a
> strain that appeared near Lyme in the 70's.
>
> Do you have anything to support that the other diseases you listed
> are
> designer? I know that several can be caused by neurotoxins, such as
> aspertame and mercury, but as a designer disease, I would think a
> pathogen would be required.
>
> Marshall
>
> Kurt Milkowski wrote:
> > Well you have to look at how long other "designer" disease have
> been
> > around. Here are a few, alhiemers, als, parkinsons, ms, lupus,
> autism,
> > just to name a few.
> > Kurt
> > */Marshall Dudley /* wrote:
> >
> > Kurt Milkowski wrote:
> > > How long do you think lyme has been around? It's not a "new"
> > disease,
> > > been around for a long time. Just became named recently.
> > From what I have been able to determine it was "designed" in the
> > early
> > to mid 80's, then released to the wild near the naval base's
> > biological
> > warefare research center around Lyme around 1986 or so.
> >
> > Marshall
> > >
> > > */Marshall Dudley /* wrote:
> > >
> > > Kurt Milkowski wrote:
> > > > Hey Jess,
> > > >
> > > > Most likely the mmr vaccine would be the likely culprit. This is
> > > the
> > > > one that seems to be causing autism, which is lyme under another
> > > name.
> > > How can you arrive at that conclusion? Autism predates Lyme by a
> > > century or more.
> > >
> > > Marshall
> > > >
> > > > Kurt
> > > >
> > > > */jessie70 /* wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Kurt, you got lyme disease from which vaccine? Thanks, Jess
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > *From:* Kurt Milkowski [mailto:kurt.milkow...@sbcglobal.net]
> > > > *Sent:* Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:31 PM
> > > > *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> > > > *Subject:* Re: CS>Vaccines- chronic fatigue
> > > >
> > > > Hey Kathryn,
> > > >
> > > > No problem. Yep the mycoplasma is used alot in bio-weapons.
> > > > Check into lyme disease, thats what I have, got it from a
> > > > vaccine. Lots of folks with lyme suffer from cfs and fibro.
> > > >
> > > > Kurt
> > > >
> > > > */Clayton Family /* wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for posting this whole series. It is interesting
> > > > reading. The
> > > > chronic fatigue part stood out for me.
> > > >
> > > > "Brucella mycoplasma was probably responsible for chronic
> > > > fatigue
> > > > syndrome and fibromyalgia as well."
> > > >
> > > > It is known that fungal toxins can cause chronic fatigue,
> > > > and it may
> > > > well be that there are many other kinds of toxins and
> > > > infections
> > > > involved too. I read somewhere about other mycoplasma
> > > > infections being
> > > > implicated in asthma, and maybe other immune related
> > > > conditions. Asthma
> > > > can be caused by Valley Fever, which is an endemic fungi
> > > > residing in
> > > > the strata in the western states.
> > > >
> > > > I took antifungals for 18 months to rid myself of an
> > > > entrenched fungal
> > > > infection: it seemed to work, yet when I started CS, I
> > > > began having die
> > > > off rxns, and other rxns which were the same as what I get
> > > > when exposed
> > > > to toxins. Therefore, maybe the CS also releases cellular
> > > > toxins in
> > > > some way. In any case, I had some other kind of infection
> > > > going on that
> > > > the antifungals were not touching: not fungal, but
> > > > something else, and
> > > > the silver was doing quite a bit.
> > > >
> > > > fungal toxins cause neurological damage- is brucella
> > > > fungal, I wonder?
> > > > Those fungal toxins are used in biological weapons.
> > > >
> > > > And the bit about genetically engineered vacs- have you
> > > > seen "The
> > > > Future of Food" ? it is about genetically engineered food,
> > > > and it seems
> > > > like the film understates the problem. There are toxins
> > > > and poisons
> > > > deliberately sequenced into the genes of food, so it
> > > > becomes poisonous
> > > > at a low level. Organic is alot better, locally grown
> > > > seems like the
> > > > best idea.
> > > >
> > > > Kathryn
> > > >
> > > > On Oct 13, 2007, at 6:23 PM, Kurt Milkowski wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> Kurt Milkowski wrote: [snipped]
> > > > >> > In October 2004, Dmtry Lvov, head of the Russian
> 

Re: CS>3 Vitamin/mineral supplements...Ruth

[John Plumridge]

I don't take artificial vitamin supplements.

I do use salt, and my choice is black volcanic salt, in addition to sea 
salt.


I also put mango skins on my face, which may be a vitamin supplements - 
well it is.


Also, I have vitamin D in 'sun/skin active formulae' (naked skin and 
ordinary British sunlight, sunglasses off).


I take seeds as condiments, they are packed with vitamins and minerals, and 
they may be considered food or supplements, Most Often:


blackcumin, fennel, mustard, black pepper, chilli,

Lime Juice

Various oils, cold-pressed: sesame, olive, walnut, hemp.

Also, I absorb a good deal of water, with nutrients and poisons, from the 
atmosphere, more so on humid days. PLus, roll in the dew when 
camping/hiking (not because I'm mad, though).



JOhn


JOhn



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CS>Silver Seal antibacterial, washable mouse and keyboard

[Simon Jester]

Interesting...

Impregnated with silver ion nanoparticles...

http://tinyurl.com/2zh39x


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Re: CS>Re: Forced flu vaccines?

[Simon Jester]

Dan Nave, on 10/19/2007 4:42 PM, said the following:

No, I am facing reality "as it is," not how I "wish it to be."

Instead of blowing off what I wrote, you should think about it...


Sorry Mike...

Dan,

I replied to you OFF-LIST because Mike declared these topics dead.

Why did you INTENTIONALLY send this to the list?

Please respect Mike's wishes. If you want to continue it off-list - 
please don't bother, there's no point...



-Original Message-
From: Simon Jester [mailto:tansta...@libertytrek.org]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 1:38 PM
To: Dan Nave
Subject: Re: CS>Re: Forced flu vaccines?

On 10/19/2007, Dan Nave (dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com) wrote:

There are not such things as "rights."


Speak for yourself, Danno...

There are only "agreements," and beyond that "the way things actually 
are in practice."


So you are a 'law of the jungler'...

Thats ok... I'd rather deal with your kind than the fascists...




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RE: CS>Re: Forced flu vaccines?

[John Plumridge]

Wound care...barrier function, hygiene.

--On 19 October 2007 15:35:56 -0500 Dan Nave  
wrote:



If the terrain is everything, and the microbe is nothing, why are you on
a Colloidal Silver List?



JOhn


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RE: CS>Re: Forced flu vaccines?

[Dan Nave]

No, I am facing reality "as it is," not how I "wish it to be."

Instead of blowing off what I wrote, you should think about it...

Dan


-Original Message-
From: Simon Jester [mailto:tansta...@libertytrek.org]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 1:38 PM
To: Dan Nave
Subject: Re: CS>Re: Forced flu vaccines?

On 10/19/2007, Dan Nave (dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com) wrote:
> There are not such things as "rights."

Speak for yourself, Danno...

> There are only "agreements," and beyond that "the way things actually 
> are in practice."

So you are a 'law of the jungler'...

Thats ok... I'd rather deal with your kind than the fascists...



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RE: CS>Re: Forced flu vaccines?

[Dan Nave]

If the terrain is everything, and the microbe is nothing, why are you on
a Colloidal Silver List?

Dan

-Original Message-
From: Simon Jester [mailto:tansta...@libertytrek.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:42 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Re: Forced flu vaccines?

> Great post Ode.

Amazing...

He cites a bunch of propaganda from the CDC, and you think it was a
great post?

I guess you're just too easily wowed by his talented-but-twisty
tongue...

I'll say it again...

Pasteur was a fraud...

The microbe is nothing...

The terrain is everything...

You have nothing to fear but fear itself - and your own tendency to
allow yourself to be swayed by sweet sounding words in order to escape
the responsibility for your own state of being.



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Re: CS>Vitamins & Minerals

[Ruth Bertella]

>snipped from Simon's comments on 10/19/07:<

Hopefully you plan on sharing your compiled list with us once you have 
finished it? :)


Hiya Simon,

Great idea!  I'll be more than glad to provide a recap!!  It would make a 
great resource to have everyone's suggestions on one sheet of paper.  We'll 
give it several more days and I'll get it out to the list before the end of 
next week (meaning a week from today - this is my work computer and I'm 
limited to it since my home computer is on the blink, so I'm only able to do 
this Mon. thru Fri.).


Thanks for your list!!
Ruth B.



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Re: CS>Vitamins & Minerals II

[Nenah Sylver]

Hi Ruth.
The Transfer Factor and Eniva products can be accessed at www.nenahsylver.com 

Willard Water can be obtained at 
http://www.willardswater.com/

Both Medi-Herb and Standard Process products are available from health 
practitioners. 

Best,
Nenah
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ruth Bertella 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com ; mdi_n...@yahoogroups.com ; 
dimethylsulfoxide-d...@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:52 PM
  Subject: CS>Vitamins & Minerals II


  Hi again!

  I've been asked to do a recap of everyone's suggested regimes that I 
requested in a separate post, which I think is a great idea.  Something that 
might be helpful would be to let us know where you get the products (i.e., 
Walmart, health food store, online, etc.) and then to provide links to those 
products where appropriate (as I suspect a large portion are being ordered 
online).  Please feel free to provide any other suggestions to the lists for 
use in the recap.  

  Thanks! (& crossin my fingers this only goes once to each list)
  Ruth B.



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CS>Vitamins & Minerals II

[Ruth Bertella]

Hi again!

I've been asked to do a recap of everyone's suggested regimes that I requested 
in a separate post, which I think is a great idea.  Something that might be 
helpful would be to let us know where you get the products (i.e., Walmart, 
health food store, online, etc.) and then to provide links to those products 
where appropriate (as I suspect a large portion are being ordered online).  
Please feel free to provide any other suggestions to the lists for use in the 
recap.  

Thanks! (& crossin my fingers this only goes once to each list)
Ruth B.

Re: CS>Vitamins & Minerals

[Nenah Sylver]

Hi Ruth.

Before telling you my favorites, I want to first point out that different types 
of supplements have different functions. They either (a) nourish, (b) boost or 
regulate the immune function, or (c) outright kill microbes. Although there can 
be an overlap between the three functions, I have categorized them this way to 
make it easier to sort them. 

Here, then, are the supplements I would take, with a designation of what 
function they serve.

1) (a) VIBE, a raw concentrated fruit-veggie-green-tea-antioxidant drink made 
by Eniva. The fluid is electrically charged so it's "clustered," or wetter, and 
it gets right into the cells (tablets and pills are not always digeted or 
assimilated by the body). This is a fantastic drink that provides overall 
nutrition.

I'm not allowed to make medical claims. However, I can say that I have 
experienced amazing results personally and witnessed what appear to be miracles 
with people feeling good, once they get the nutrition they need. You put 1 
ounce in water. People who are very ill may take VIBE up to three times a day. 
Disclosure: I'm a wholesale distributor, and this product is MLM. But I like 
the product so much, I put up with the MLM aspects. My associate has seen such 
good results, she offers a money-back guarantee if you use the product as 
directed after 1 month and don't see any improvement.

2) (a) Omega-3 oil or Omega oil blend. I use either EFACOR (also made by Eniva) 
or a molecularly distilled tuna Omega-3 oil from Standard Process, whatever I 
have on hand. (Molecular distillation removes the mercury.) The brain and 
nervous system are over 80% fat. The kidneys, heart and other organs need good 
fats in order to function. Ordinarily I would get my Omega-3 oils from fish, 
but since fish are so contaminated, I take the oil supplements. You can get 
Omega-3 from flax, but not everyone's system can do the biochemical conversion 
necessary with flax to obtain the maximum benefits. Fish oil is easier on the 
body, and more assimilable.

3) (a) Cell-ready Minerals, also from Eniva. I like liquids because they are so 
assimilable.

4) (a, c) Iodine. Most people are iodine deficient, and hypothyroidism is a 
problem for over half the United States population (See David Derry, et al.). 
Iodine is a highly potent germicide. So is colloidal silver, but a lack of 
iodine creates all sorts of metabolic problems. Research shows that women with 
breast cancer are deficient in iodine.

5) (a) Willard Water. The original formula is available from Nutrition 
Coalition. I wouldn't buy it from any other place, because they dilute the 
formula. WW makes water wetter. It also raises the pH of the water. This might 
not seem like such a big deal, but when plants grow faster and animals' coats 
get really shiny, you begin to see the possibilities of WW. I put WW into my 
finished batches of colloidal silver to raise the pH so I don't have to drink 
acidic CS.

6) (b) Transfer Factor formula from 4Life, Echinacea from Medi-Herb, or both. 
They work a bit differently. The Transfer Factor regulates and supports the 
immune function of the body. This makes it safe both for people with a 
hyperactive immune system (autoimmune disorders) and a hypoactive immune system 
(not enough "oomph" to fight infections). Echinacea actively stimulates white 
blood cells, which may make it contraindicated for people with autoimmune 
disorders. Hint: If the echinacea tincture you are taking does NOT make your 
tongue tingle and even feel numb, it does not contain the "active ingredients" 
and is therefore worthless! 

Disclosure: I'm a wholesale distributor of 4Life Transfer Factor, and this 
product is MLM. Anyone can get the product at the same price that I do, by 
using my ID#. Or, you can pay a nominal sum and get your own ID#, and earn 
commissions.

Since CS does seem to stimulate the immune function, these items may seem 
redundant. That's why they are number 6.


I have found great results from the general formulas. However, everyone is 
unique. After one takes them for a while, if there's still a deficiency in the 
body, then you can zero in on a specific deficiency you might have. Other 
common deficiencies I've noticed are magnesium, silica and selenium.

If you have any questions, email me on- or off-list.

Best,
Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD
http://www.nenahsylver.com
* author, The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing
* author, The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy
   ask me why you should be taking
* Transfer Factor for superior immune support
   and
* VIBE raw fruit & vegetable concentrate for total nutrition


  - Original Message - 
  From: Ruth Bertella 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com ; mdi_n...@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:41 AM
  Subject: CS>Vitamins & Minerals


  Hi Groups!

  If for some reason you HAD to pick only your top 3 vitamin/mineral 
SUPPLEMENTS for the best overall nutritional health for your body that you'd 
use on a daily b

Re: CS>Vitamins & Minerals

[Simon Jester]

OK   pick FIVE if need be, but try to stick with no more than that 
please!


Hopefully you plan on sharing your compiled list with us once you have 
finished it? :)


1) Fulvic Acid Minerals (www.vitalearth.org)
2) Magnascent Iodine (www.magnascent.com)
3) Natures First Food (www.rawfood.com)
4) Chlorella (www.ybsweb.co.jp/exhf1.html)
5) Floradix Calcium/Magnesium/Zinc/Vit D (http://tinyurl.com/2zt8pv)


I forgot my Omega 3's...

Nordic Naturals Cod Liver Oil (used to use Carlsons)...

But, I'm getting ready to try Sacha Inchi, a high quality source from a 
nut (the sacha inchi nut from peru)


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Re: CS>Vitamins & Minerals

[Simon Jester]

If for some reason you HAD to pick only your top 3 
vitamin/mineral SUPPLEMENTS for the best overall nutritional health for 
your body that you'd use on a daily basis, what 3 things would it be?  
I'm not talking about healing therapies such as CS, MMS, DMSO, or MSM, 
etc.  I'm trying to get a feel for what different individual's take to 
maintain their nutritional well being only, above and beyond any healing 
therapies that may be needed, and to see if I'm anywhere close to what 
I could be doing better for myself and family.  (combo supplements such 
as Emergen-C would count as only 1 of your 3 picks)
 
OK   pick FIVE if need be, but try to stick with no more than 
that please!


Hopefully you plan on sharing your compiled list with us once you have 
finished it? :)


1) Fulvic Acid Minerals (www.vitalearth.org)
2) Magnascent Iodine (www.magnascent.com)
3) Natures First Food (www.rawfood.com)
4) Chlorella (www.ybsweb.co.jp/exhf1.html)
5) Floradix Calcium/Magnesium/Zinc/Vit D (http://tinyurl.com/2zt8pv)

There's more, but thats the main stuff... and again, this is only the 
maintenance stuff - and I use this for cleansing and detox too, just 
ramp up the amounts...



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Re: CS>Iodine

[Paula Perry]

Ruth,
I was having trouble taking forms of iodine while on the Synthroid. In my 
system it didn't work. I got off the Synthroid and am taking Armour which is 
natural. I have been taking some Thytrophin PMG too (a natural supplement not 
drug) I had the Biomeridian testing and a different doctor wanted me to take 
that. I am going to go back and be retested with the Biomeridian testing. I 
feel a lot better. I felt bad for years! My body temp had been so low for 
years. I took my temp and it was up to 98.4 and that's the highest most normal 
I've been in years. Ask your doctor to switch you to Armour. 
Paula
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ruth Bertella 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com ; mdi_n...@yahoogroups.com ; 
dimethylsulfoxide-d...@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 1:32 PM
  Subject: CS>Iodine


  Hi groups!!  (1st post to DMSO group with this)

  This is one more effort to see if anyone can point me in the right direction 
in solving my thyroid issues.  I didn't receive any response to my last post, 
and hoped I might get a few suggestions this time around.

  As some of y'all may have read in previous posts, I began taking Lugol's 5% 
iodine in mid Sept., then changed to Magnascent in Oct. in an attempt to 
regulate my low thyroid (hypothyroidism) and to be able to stop taking the 
generic form of 75 mcg of Synthroid my doctor has prescribed.  I don't really 
notice much difference in the Lugol's and Magnascent.  (was hoping it'd help 
with aching feet and hands as well as my thyroid)   I am up to 12 drops twice 
per day and the only difference WAS that I feel somewhat more energetic and 
waking up earlier in the mornings.  I quit taking the Synthroid last Saturday 
to see if that might help and am now having problems with feeling energetic 
enough to get out of bed.   I am still "painting" the 2% Lugol's on the soles 
of my feet each night and it's always soaked in by the next morning.  So 
apparently I haven't reached "saturation" as I had read should happen when I 
was ingesting enough iodine for my body's needs.  I was also hoping this might 
provide some relief for the feet and hand pain I started having somewhere 
around May or June of this year (thinking I might try a 20/80 mix of CS/DMSO 
for this - any comments?).  Also, does anyone have a suggestion on the "name" 
of a search I could do for the feet/hand thing?  I highly value all the input 
y'all give on all our various health issues and hope you can steer me in the 
direction I need to be going.  I'm truly trying to learn how to help myself 
more, and your guidance will be invaluable to me!

  Thanks in advance!!
  Ruth B.

Re: CS>3 Vitamin/mineral supplements...Ruth

[Ruth Bertella]

Hey Gail,,

More than 5 would've been OK too.  Didn't mean to make it "tight, I just 
didn't want an armload!!!  Taking a lot of things daily is tiresome and 
usually expensive, 'sides I didn't think most on the list that respond would 
stick the numbers anyhow...   


Thanks for the help!!
Ruth B.

- Original Message - 
From: "Gail Naranjo" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:19 PM
Subject: CS>3 Vitamin/mineral supplements...Ruth



Ok, you asked for 3 or even 5, but specifically
vitamin and mineral.  Number mineral supplement would
be magnesium, also calcium for post menopausal women.
Vitamins would be C & D.  And to top it off, I'd chose
something like concentrace or sea salt for other
minerals.  That's 5, you make it a tight call. :)  Gail

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CS>CHhldren, non- viral epidemics.

[John Plumridge]

--On 19 October 2007 04:15:07 -0400 Mark Siepak  
wrote:



Sorry, Mark, your Rights stop Sorry, Mark, your Rights stop WHERE MINE
START.


So you cannot see the obverse, yours stop WHERE MINE START.


Gee - if you ever get your way, I sure hope those 10,000 will stop by
some day and thank you for being so generous with their lives.


Hopefully the millions you would allow to die would perform the same
duty.



It
couldn't possibly be the years of fast food, drugs, cokes, microwaved
food, etc, etc ad nauseum...


Babies die from all the communcable diseases. Explain that, but not to
me.
Babies get atopic eczema at birth, and asthma: it's an epidemic, but not a 
virus. Explain that.



End of discussion.

Go OT


or relate it back to CS/EIS





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Re: CS>WorstPills.org -

[Paula Perry]

Hi Diane,
I had my doctor switch me to Armour. That is a natural form/not synthetic like 
the Synthroid. I would recommend that they ask their doctor what are the other 
options besides Synthroid. They may suggest the Armour. Mine never did until I 
asked.  If they don't offer the Armour then I would just out right ask for it. 
I feel so much better. On that Synthroid I never felt right. You don't seem to 
have any reserve energy and don't sleep good. Insomnia is on the list for 
Synthroid at Worst Pills. org. I sleep so much better now and can take a lot 
more stress. I hope they have good luck getting switched to something better 
for them.
Paula
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dianne France 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 1:05 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>WorstPills.org -


  Paula

  My husband is on Synthroid.  Did you replace it with a herbal?  My daughter 
also is on it and it makes her terribly ill, throwing up, etc.  She asked her 
doctor for a herbal formula a friend of hers was on that is prescription but he 
wouldn't write it.

  Dianne
- Original Message - 
From: Paula Perry 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: CS>WorstPills.org -


Hi Nancy,
Sorry to hear of all your family experiences with bad medicine. Hopefully
your mom can improve. There are a lot of products our there that improve
memory. I know Fish Oil is one of them. I was on Synthroid for many years
and finally got off it and I feel so much better.
Take care,
Paula

Re: CS>WorstPills.org -

[Carl Deb Charter]

My mother is on Synthroid, I would also like to know what is a good replacement 
for it and if anyone has had any experience with it. Thanks in advance.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dianne France 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:05 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>WorstPills.org -


  Paula

  My husband is on Synthroid.  Did you replace it with a herbal?  My daughter 
also is on it and it makes her terribly ill, throwing up, etc.  She asked her 
doctor for a herbal formula a friend of hers was on that is prescription but he 
wouldn't write it.

  Dianne
- Original Message - 
From: Paula Perry 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: CS>WorstPills.org -


Hi Nancy,
Sorry to hear of all your family experiences with bad medicine. Hopefully
your mom can improve. There are a lot of products our there that improve
memory. I know Fish Oil is one of them. I was on Synthroid for many years
and finally got off it and I feel so much better.
Take care,
Paula



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Re: CS>CS & immune system

[Clayton Family]

I have only been doing this for a year or so, but I also have not read 
anything suggesting a supression of the immune system. I wonder if he 
is thinking about the old usage of the term, which is about a finely 
ground suspension of metallic silver, which is a far different thing 
than we take. A powdered form of the metal can be poisonous and/or 
lethal if ingested or inhaled in concentrated form. This is true of 
many elements.


I usually take mine in the am on an empty stomach, a mouthful, held for 
10 minutes; then one or 2 more times  a day, not with meals. It does 
not interfere with my digestion, and there really is no real reason I 
like taking it that way. It just suits me, is all- I feel that it goes 
into the bloodstream thru my mouth better when it does not have to 
compete with other things. I am also in the habit, for some years now, 
to take probiotics when I feel like it as a part of a weekly routine.


Most people I have talked to that have not used it really don't know 
what they are talking about, just heard this or that, or their info is 
way out of date. If you are more concerned, you could ask him for a 
reference, or where he got the info.


Kathryn

On Oct 19, 2007, at 6:51 AM, Dianne France wrote:

I was on another site for pets and it was posted that CS could 
interfere with the immune system.  Here is a portion of the quote:  I 
recently asked a well known pharmaceutical and nutritional biochemist 
about colloidal silver. He expressed caution because colloidal silver 
can actually suppress the immune system.

 
Since we are using CS/EIS I wanted to check with those that have more 
experience than we do to see if this if factual.  It also bring up a 
question I have about taking CS with food.  Should you stagger taking 
CS to take on an empty stomach?  Does it effect digestion?

 
Dianne


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RE: CS>Re: Forced flu vaccines?

[Dan Nave]

You wrote: 

"While I understand what you are saying, you are oh so very wrong - I
have every right to go out in public, whether I have the flu or not, for
one very important reason. Why? Because the only possible alternative is
to grant thugs with guns the power to both declare the rules for
determining who is and is not sick, and enforcing their whimsical
decisions arbitrarily and at the point of a gun - in essence, to
implement that same medical-fascist society that you said you had no
desire to see."
___

There are not such things as "rights."

There are only "agreements," and beyond that "the way things actually
are in practice."

Dan





-Original Message-
From: Simon Jester [mailto:tansta...@libertytrek.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 4:38 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Re: Forced flu vaccines?


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CS>Iodine

[Ruth Bertella]

Hi groups!!  (1st post to DMSO group with this)

This is one more effort to see if anyone can point me in the right direction in 
solving my thyroid issues.  I didn't receive any response to my last post, and 
hoped I might get a few suggestions this time around.

As some of y'all may have read in previous posts, I began taking Lugol's 5% 
iodine in mid Sept., then changed to Magnascent in Oct. in an attempt to 
regulate my low thyroid (hypothyroidism) and to be able to stop taking the 
generic form of 75 mcg of Synthroid my doctor has prescribed.  I don't really 
notice much difference in the Lugol's and Magnascent.  (was hoping it'd help 
with aching feet and hands as well as my thyroid)   I am up to 12 drops twice 
per day and the only difference WAS that I feel somewhat more energetic and 
waking up earlier in the mornings.  I quit taking the Synthroid last Saturday 
to see if that might help and am now having problems with feeling energetic 
enough to get out of bed.   I am still "painting" the 2% Lugol's on the soles 
of my feet each night and it's always soaked in by the next morning.  So 
apparently I haven't reached "saturation" as I had read should happen when I 
was ingesting enough iodine for my body's needs.  I was also hoping this might 
provide some relief for the feet and hand pain I started having somewhere 
around May or June of this year (thinking I might try a 20/80 mix of CS/DMSO 
for this - any comments?).  Also, does anyone have a suggestion on the "name" 
of a search I could do for the feet/hand thing?  I highly value all the input 
y'all give on all our various health issues and hope you can steer me in the 
direction I need to be going.  I'm truly trying to learn how to help myself 
more, and your guidance will be invaluable to me!

Thanks in advance!!
Ruth B.

Re: CS>Doctors...

[Carol Ann]

Ode, common now..800,000 miles and 3 engines? If you were making the 
comparison to a plastic surgeon, the analogy would be more believable. :)

Ode Coyote  wrote: 
##  I've heard this one a hundred times.
  Car comes in needing a new clutch, gets new clutch.
1Customer screams about being screwed, but won't listen to driving lessons.
  Tries to sue the mechanic...sometimes wins because judges know nothing 
about cars or driving one.
  Meanwhile, the mechanics identical clutch has out lived 3 engines at 
800,000 miles on the car.

Ode




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RE: CS>iodine and urinary tract infecitons

[Dan Nave]

Sorry, I thought I was asking how someone had been exposed to
anthrax!???...
 
Dan



From: Shirley Reed [mailto:pj20fl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:07 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>iodine and urinary tract infecitons


  Dan, no idea how I was exposed.  Probably just female anatomy.   This
condition came on very gradually and kept getting worse.  Since
iodine--no more problems.   I now take a fairly high dose of iodine each
day since learning more about iodine intake, halogen displacement, etc.
pj 

CS>Iodine

[Ruth Bertella]

Hi groups!!  (1st post to DMSO group with this)

This is one more effort to see if anyone can point me in the right direction in 
solving my thyroid issues.  I didn't receive any response to my last post, and 
hoped I might get a few suggestions this time around.

As some of y'all may have read in previous posts, I began taking Lugol's 5% 
iodine in mid Sept., then changed to Magnascent in Oct. in an attempt to 
regulate my low thyroid (hypothyroidism) and to be able to stop taking the 
generic form of 75 mcg of Synthroid my doctor has prescribed.  I don't really 
notice much difference in the Lugol's and Magnascent.  (was hoping it'd help 
with aching feet and hands as well as my thyroid)   I am up to 12 drops twice 
per day and the only difference WAS that I feel somewhat more energetic and 
waking up earlier in the mornings.  I quit taking the Synthroid last Saturday 
to see if that might help and am now having problems with feeling energetic 
enough to get out of bed.   I am still "painting" the 2% Lugol's on the soles 
of my feet each night and it's always soaked in by the next morning.  So 
apparently I haven't reached "saturation" as I had read should happen when I 
was ingesting enough iodine for my body's needs.  I was also hoping this might 
provide some relief for the feet and hand pain I started having somewhere 
around May or June of this year (thinking I might try a 20/80 mix of CS/DMSO 
for this - any comments?).  Also, does anyone have a suggestion on the "name" 
of a search I could do for the feet/hand thing?  I highly value all the input 
y'all give on all our various health issues and hope you can steer me in the 
direction I need to be going.  I'm truly trying to learn how to help myself 
more, and your guidance will be invaluable to me!

Thanks in advance!!
Ruth B.

CS>Iodine

[Ruth Bertella]

Hi groups!!  (1st post to DMSO group with this)

This is one more effort to see if anyone can point me in the right direction in 
solving my thyroid issues.  I didn't receive any response to my last post, and 
hoped I might get a few suggestions this time around.

As some of y'all may have read in previous posts, I began taking Lugol's 5% 
iodine in mid Sept., then changed to Magnascent in Oct. in an attempt to 
regulate my low thyroid (hypothyroidism) and to be able to stop taking the 
generic form of 75 mcg of Synthroid my doctor has prescribed.  I don't really 
notice much difference in the Lugol's and Magnascent.  (was hoping it'd help 
with aching feet and hands as well as my thyroid)   I am up to 12 drops twice 
per day and the only difference WAS that I feel somewhat more energetic and 
waking up earlier in the mornings.  I quit taking the Synthroid last Saturday 
to see if that might help and am now having problems with feeling energetic 
enough to get out of bed.   I am still "painting" the 2% Lugol's on the soles 
of my feet each night and it's always soaked in by the next morning.  So 
apparently I haven't reached "saturation" as I had read should happen when I 
was ingesting enough iodine for my body's needs.  I was also hoping this might 
provide some relief for the feet and hand pain I started having somewhere 
around May or June of this year (thinking I might try a 20/80 mix of CS/DMSO 
for this - any comments?).  Also, does anyone have a suggestion on the "name" 
of a search I could do for the feet/hand thing?  I highly value all the input 
y'all give on all our various health issues and hope you can steer me in the 
direction I need to be going.  I'm truly trying to learn how to help myself 
more, and your guidance will be invaluable to me!

Thanks in advance!!
Ruth B.

Re: CS>Re: What is in Vicks?

[Marshall Dudley]

I forwarded faith's email to my daughter yesterday. She has had a 
persistent cough at night that is keeping her awake.  She told me today 
that last night was the first night she was able to sleep since it 
started several days ago.


Marshall

John Plumridge wrote:
Eucalyptus, menthol, camphor, oil of wintergreen (possibly)...we use 
it for the children when needed. No medicines ever.


You can inhale it over a hot bowl, too, or rub onto chest directly 
(but too strong for very young infants). Also put on a handkerchief 
under pillow case. The pulmonary  and internal epithelial effects of 
these herbal extracts are well known.


--On 18 October 2007 09:28:00 -0400 faith gagne  wrote:


Just received this by email:

This really works!!

VICKS VAPORUB...TRY IT, IT WORKS

I wish I'd known this when my family was young during winter colds and
coughs. I am going to try it myself. Share with young parents.
Isn't life strange. When we had a lecture on Essential Oils, they 
told us

how the foot soles can absorb oils. Their example: Put garlic on your
feet and within 20 minutes you can 'taste' it.
Some of us have used Vicks Vaporub for years for everything from chapped
lips to sore toes and many body parts in between. But I've never 
heard of

this. And don't laugh, it works 100% of the time although the scientists
at the Canada Research council (who discovered it) aren't sure why.

To stop night time coughing in a child (or adult as we found out
personally), put Vicks Vaporub generously on the bottom of the feet at
bedtime, then cover with socks. Even persistent, heavy, deep coughing
will stop in about 5 minutes and stay stopped for many, many hours of
relief. Works 100% of the time and is more effective in children than
even very strong prescription cough medicines. In addition it is
extremely soothing and comforting and they will sleep soundly. I heard
the head of the Canada Research Council describe these findings on the
part of their scientists when they were investigating the effectiveness
and usage of prescription cough medicines in children as compared to
alternative therapies like acupressure.
Just happened to tune in A.M.Radio and picked up this guy talking about
why cough medicines in kids often do more harm than good due to the
chemical makeup of these strong drugs so,I listened. It was a surprise
finding and found to be more effective than prescribed medicines for
children at bedtime, in addition to have a soothing and calming 
effect on

sick children who then went on to sleep soundly. Polly tried it on
herself when she had a very deep constant and persistent cough a few
weeks ago and it worked 100%! She said that it felt like a warm blanket
had enveloped her, coughing stopped in a few minutes and believe me, 
this

was a deep, (incredibly annoying!) every few seconds uncontrollable
cough, and she slept cough-free for hours every night that she used it.
If you have grandchildren, pass it on. If you end up sick, try it
yourself and you will be absolutely amazed by the effect.

Faith


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Re: CS>Vaccines- chronic fatigue-Dave

[Marshall Dudley]

Leslie wrote:
Glad to know the CS took care of the problem. What ppm's did you take? 
I have gotten 15 and was afraid to take since I was told to try for 10 
ppms.


Uh, if you take a quart of 15 ppm, and add a pint of distilled water, 
you will have 10 ppm.
Now, the MMS; I was leary for some reason so please let us know your 
reactions to this. There seemed to be a conflict with what 
www.coljoe.com had said and I can't remember. That is how I was 
affected from mercury! But I am working on getting better.
I have been taking MMS. Not much to report, no nausea, but I was 
probably pretty devoid of pathogens already since I take CS.  The only 
affect I have had is that my floaters have completely gone away, first 
time in about 20 years.


Marshall


Leslie


From: "Dave" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Vaccines- chronic fatigue-Dave


Yes but compared to what I was going through with the Lyme I didn't 
give a damn if it killed me. So when the herx started I just ignored it.
 I had already been through a couple of pint bottles and thought it 
was another scam so I jumped right in with both feet and when the 
Herx hit I was thankful for it because i then new it was actually 
doing something.

Dave

Clayton Family wrote:

Thanks. Did you have any adverse reactions to that amount of cs?  
Like herks, or something else?  -Kathryn



On Oct 17, 2007, at 7:54 PM, Dave wrote:

 I took 6 ounces every half hour of awake time for three days and 
it broke like a fever in the middle of the night.


I've had almost four years of health and energy like a twenty year 
old ( I was 68 at the time) Now I'm getting tired a lot so don't 
know if it is coming back or not. No other symptoms.

I have been taking MMS and seeing some improvement .
Dave

Clayton Family wrote:

Now this is useful information, thanks.  How much did you take to 
get it under control, and did it go underground, or get killed off?


Kathryn

On Oct 17, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Dave wrote:

 I think that is when they discovered it ( named it) not when it 
began, before that they called it whatever it seemed to mimic, as 
Lyme does present a number of maladies. When they had me in the hos





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CS>3 Vitamin/mineral supplements...Ruth

[Gail Naranjo]

Ok, you asked for 3 or even 5, but specifically
vitamin and mineral.  Number mineral supplement would
be magnesium, also calcium for post menopausal women. 
Vitamins would be C & D.  And to top it off, I'd chose
something like concentrace or sea salt for other
minerals.  That's 5, you make it a tight call. :)  Gail

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Re: CS>CS & immune system

[Dianne France]

My husband just got a flu shot and I just had a fit.  I didn't go with him to 
the doctor but later cooled down and realized it's his body.  He is not as 
healthy lung wise as I am I guess because he was a long time smoker.  He has 
read a lot of things I've downloaded (he doesn't compute) but just didn't feel 
safe enough to go without.  Really endoctorined.   I have health problems but 
mostly from arthritis and fibromyalgia.  I want to try the protocol to rid 
myself of it but am afraid to take the msm again.  Had bad reactions before 
with severe abdominal cramping form it.  I am allergic to some of the sulfur 
drugs out there.  

I'm glad to hear I can take the CS anytime.  I have been using it a couple 
times a day internal and painting it and dmso on my arthritis.  Boy does that 
help.  I can almost bend some of my fingers and have been able to walk more.  

Dianne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dee 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:36 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>CS & immune system


I have never heard this before Dianne, and actually, I think it is the 
opposite.  CS encourages the immune system I believe.  You can take it anytime 
as well. I have just cotracted the 'flue from my daughter who just had the 'flu 
jab (!) and I have used about three bottles of it; sipping at first every ten 
minutes or so. Dee 

---Original Message---

From: Dianne France
Date: 19/10/2007 13:00:20
To: silver-list
Subject: CS>CS & immune system

I was on another site for pets and it was posted that CS could 
interfere with the immune system.  Here is a portion of the quote:  I recently 
asked a well known pharmaceutical and nutritional biochemist about colloidal 
silver. He expressed caution because colloidal silver can actually suppress the 
immune system. 

Since we are using CS/EIS I wanted to check with those that have more 
experience than we do to see if this if factual.  It also bring up a question I 
have about taking CS with food.  Should you stagger taking CS to take on an 
empty stomach?  Does it effect digestion?

Dianne
   
  
   

Re: CS>Vaccines- chronic fatigue-Dave

[Marshall Dudley]

Dave wrote:

 My home made is 20 ppm.
The MMS i started at 2 drops twice a day for one day then 6 drops 
twice a day which gave me a small nausea.

Then  I went to 10 drops and then 10 drops three times a day.
A that point I had bad diarrhea and puked out my dental plate into the 
toilet, not knowing it was gone I flushed the toilet.  That cost me 
$1000.00
 Now I take 15 drops after supper and 15 more in two hours with no 
nausea and am waiting to see what it will do.
At this time the blue moons on my fingernails have disappeared except 
for the thumbs which are spread out and fading.
That is some interesting information. I have noticed that I THOUGHT the 
moons on my fingernails were lightening, but was not sure if I was 
imagining things or not.  I guess I will know in a couple of months. It 
would be cool if MMS cures argyria.


Marshall


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Re: CS>Re: Forced flu vaccines?

[Carol Ann]

This is if anything, this is an interesting read
http://www.amazon.com/Great-Influenza-Deadliest-Plague-History/dp/0670894737

When these types of epidemics come along they are not unlike a great tsunami or 
major hurricane sans mother nature. 
They are sudden and often without warning.  Essentially, there is one major 
problem most people face and that is the fear of death.Pre reconciliation 
of death, including ones own,  is a part of life. 

"the mark of civilization is the way it treats its' young, feeble, and
aged. You would let everyone die but the fit, healthy, lucky ones."

Contrary to what you think mother nature plays by different rules, keeps a her 
own score card and makes her own mark.  By all accounts, it was the most fit 
and healthy that were mortally stuck down by the 1918 plague. The very young, 
feeble and aged for the most part, survived. It was those with the most 
efficient immune systems that rallied the greatest physiological response to 
the virus which resulted in the immune system over reacting.  One of the 
supposedly  huge mistakes doctors made were attempts to eliminate the fevers, 
which we know now, is the bodies natural immune response. Interesting as well, 
to this day, the first thing most people do at  sign of a fever, is to run for 
an aspirin or other such suppressents. 

All scrambled attempts at vaccination failed at that time. To think that 
science will have the exact code, thus the viral antidote in advance to any new 
viral strain that causes such a plague would be akin to lottery odds. Ordinary, 
garden variety  vaccines, especially flu,  are not very different. 





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Re: CS>WorstPills.org -

[Dianne France]

Paula

My husband is on Synthroid.  Did you replace it with a herbal?  My daughter 
also is on it and it makes her terribly ill, throwing up, etc.  She asked her 
doctor for a herbal formula a friend of hers was on that is prescription but he 
wouldn't write it.

Dianne
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  Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 7:49 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>WorstPills.org -


  Hi Nancy,
  Sorry to hear of all your family experiences with bad medicine. Hopefully
  your mom can improve. There are a lot of products our there that improve
  memory. I know Fish Oil is one of them. I was on Synthroid for many years
  and finally got off it and I feel so much better.
  Take care,
  Paula

Re: CS>Canine Eye Infection- gelling agents

[John Plumridge]

Agar flakes can be dissolved in warm water, then cooled. Used beneficially 
on skin, and not considered to be harmful to sensitive skins, so this 
probably included testing on rabbits' eyes at some point.
Used as a base to hold all sorts of botanicals, and is not considered to be 
reactive.


John

--On 18 October 2007 11:30:59 -0500 Clayton Family  
wrote:



How about pectin, like for making jelly?  I think it needs to be cooked
in order to gel, any one know?

Or maybe agar seaweed thickener. I am not sure if that requires cooking
or not.  I am a veg- maybe jello would work too, but not for me- I think
it also needs some heat.

I am thinking that the heat would cause the cs to bind with the
thickener, so maybe make it too thick, then add cs to it when it is
cooled. Would that work?  Another thing that might be considered is the
pH.

Kathryn

On Oct 18, 2007, at 4:57 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:


  I suppose you could use a thickening agent, like unflavored "Jello" ?

ode

At 09:37 AM 10/16/2007 -0700, you wrote:


My Australian Cattle Dog suddenly got an eye infection a couple weeks
ago.  The eye was red and oozing green stuff from the inside corner.
I sprayed her eyes with CS about 5 times a day and gave her a little
orally too.  The infection got better, but not totally well.  Then
the other eye got red.  I never could cure them totally, so when we
got home we took her to the vet.  The antibiotic drops cut the green
ooze in a day and her eyes got ok in a few days.  I thought maybe my
CS had dropped out, but both bottles I used checked out with a
Tyndall.  Is there anything I could have done to keep the CS in her
eyes longer like the thick antibiotic drops?

Pat



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CS>Phd medical bio-chemists

[John Plumridge]

They're all into alternative medicine and reiki, they just want to own it, 
regulate it, license it and package it. Reiki will be illegal without latex 
gloves, and super-enhanced with an electronic gadget, because their  theory 
will tell you it's all 'energy' = electricity.


The day when you can buy or trade non-prescription medical herbs will 
shrink away within  1 century.


JOhn


--On 18 October 2007 13:28:03 -0400 Simon Jester 
 wrote:



On 10/18/2007, Ode Coyote (odecoy...@alltel.net) wrote:

I know a few PHDs that have private lives that would just blow you
awaysome "alien contactees" working for the UN and , alt
practitioners at home, toe the line scientists at work.
Preachers who have very different experiences guiding them, than what
they sermonize about on Sunday.  They can talk freely to the
non-flock who can keep a quiet secret.
I'll never name or expose them in any way and they know it.


Where is the virtue in having these 'private lives', if they remain
hidden and secret?

Another question: WHY are the keeping them secret? Certainly not out of
fear of what people in general would think. So, obviously, it is out of
fear of what their 'superiors' would DO to them (job/career loss?
discredited and humiliated? murdered?).

Again... these people you seem to revere so much are nothing more than -
in my book - COWARDS.

Worst of all, these are the very people who could actually do something
ABOUT this mess, if enough of them got together and came 'out of the
closet' together.

Cowards - and worst of all, since these are the people that would
actually stand a VERY GOOD CHANCE of bringing an abrupt (but probably
nasty) end to the horror that is our current medical/disease paradigm,
simply by standing up and speaking out en masse - in accordance with the
Nuremberg principles, they are no better than the puppet masters that are
pulling the strings, and just as guilty for all of the unnecessary
suffering and death.

Maybe if they had less 'Phd', and more BALLS, things would be different.


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CS>Models

[John Plumridge]

MOdels are never the real thing, always simplifications, if not unfaithful. 
The idea that the model is getting better is attractive, but that's like 
saying we are going to recreate something. Ha Ha. The logical conclusion 
then  is that we have to recreate the human body and the world around it in 
order to perfect our medicine.

Is that our aim? Let's call it worthy then.
Ho Ho
JOhn


--On 18 October 2007 11:59:00 -0500 Clayton Family  
wrote:



This is what I mean when I say that we don't know all the laws that
govern this world. Just because something does not fit the model, means
maybe the model is not good enough, so go back and look at that. If it is
good enough for the use it is intended for, then ok, the model can be
used, but the unusual events are there, written down, filed away for
future ref. Then when eventually, we get more info, or other events like
it, we can maybe figure it out.

On Oct 18, 2007, at 4:43 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:


While looking close, other things pop up that don't fit the plan and
can't be used...but it's there and not forgotten or dismissed.



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Re: CS>CS & immune system

[Marshall Dudley]

Dianne France wrote:
I was on another site for pets and it was posted that CS could 
interfere with the immune system.  Here is a portion of the quote:  I 
recently asked a well known pharmaceutical and nutritional biochemist 
about colloidal silver. He expressed caution because colloidal silver 
can actually suppress the immune system.
 
Since we are using CS/EIS I wanted to check with those that have more 
experience than we do to see if this if factual.  It also bring up a 
question I have about taking CS with food.  Should you stagger taking 
CS to take on an empty stomach?  Does it effect digestion?
 
Dianne
I have never hear, not seen anything that indicates that CS can suppress 
the immune system. In fact, since it strengthens it, it would be 
impossible for it to do both.  If it suppressed the immune system, then 
there is now way that I have been able to avoid colds and the flu for 8 
years now since I started taking it, and there is no way I would have 
cured my herpes I, which I did.  The ONLY problem I know, which might 
affect animals other than humans would be for ruminants, it might kill 
the bacteria in the cud so digestion would be compromised.  Others have 
indicated that even this concern is overblown.


Marshall


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Re: CS>Re: What is in Vicks?

[John Plumridge]

Eucalyptus, menthol, camphor, oil of wintergreen (possibly)...we use it for 
the children when needed. No medicines ever.


You can inhale it over a hot bowl, too, or rub onto chest directly (but too 
strong for very young infants). Also put on a handkerchief under pillow 
case. The pulmonary  and internal epithelial effects of these herbal 
extracts are well known.


--On 18 October 2007 09:28:00 -0400 faith gagne  wrote:


Just received this by email:

This really works!!

VICKS VAPORUB...TRY IT, IT WORKS

I wish I'd known this when my family was young during winter colds and
coughs. I am going to try it myself. Share with young parents.
Isn't life strange. When we had a lecture on Essential Oils, they told us
how the foot soles can absorb oils. Their example: Put garlic on your
feet and within 20 minutes you can 'taste' it.
Some of us have used Vicks Vaporub for years for everything from chapped
lips to sore toes and many body parts in between. But I've never heard of
this. And don't laugh, it works 100% of the time although the scientists
at the Canada Research council (who discovered it) aren't sure why.

To stop night time coughing in a child (or adult as we found out
personally), put Vicks Vaporub generously on the bottom of the feet at
bedtime, then cover with socks. Even persistent, heavy, deep coughing
will stop in about 5 minutes and stay stopped for many, many hours of
relief. Works 100% of the time and is more effective in children than
even very strong prescription cough medicines. In addition it is
extremely soothing and comforting and they will sleep soundly. I heard
the head of the Canada Research Council describe these findings on the
part of their scientists when they were investigating the effectiveness
and usage of prescription cough medicines in children as compared to
alternative therapies like acupressure.
Just happened to tune in A.M.Radio and picked up this guy talking about
why cough medicines in kids often do more harm than good due to the
chemical makeup of these strong drugs so,I listened. It was a surprise
finding and found to be more effective than prescribed medicines for
children at bedtime, in addition to have a soothing and calming effect on
sick children who then went on to sleep soundly. Polly tried it on
herself when she had a very deep constant and persistent cough a few
weeks ago and it worked 100%! She said that it felt like a warm blanket
had enveloped her, coughing stopped in a few minutes and believe me, this
was a deep, (incredibly annoying!) every few seconds uncontrollable
cough, and she slept cough-free for hours every night that she used it.
If you have grandchildren, pass it on. If you end up sick, try it
yourself and you will be absolutely amazed by the effect.

Faith


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Re: CS>Re: Forced flu vaccines?

[John Plumridge]

--On 18 October 2007 08:30:49 -0400 Ode Coyote  wrote:


At 05:24 PM 10/16/2007 +0100, you wrote:




--On 16 October 2007 09:15:16 -0400 Ode Coyote 
wrote:


   That depends on the flu strain.
The H5N1bird flu, so far, has a 60% survival rate...IF... you have
access to a ventilator to keep you breathing.


That's the human engineered variety.


###  Nature never has surprises?
A virus never morphs using a hosts DNA?
Gee whiz!
  I did not know that humans had absolute control.



  That's about a 90% mortality rate without one and most well equipped
hospitals only have a dozen or so.

It's not that "flu" that kills you, it's a healthy bodies over response
to it that drowns you in it's own defense mechanism.
Old people with weak immune systems actually survive better.


So it is speculated. I have seen no subsatantial research on this idea.
DO  you suggest a paper?


##  Look into the existing cases and what it took to keep those folks
##  alive.  It's not a secret.


  If that one does mutate, it'll be a lot worse than the Spanish flu
  that killed millions world wide in the early 1900s.
It could, however, also mutate into harmlessness, or a flu with a 99.9%
survival rate.


If: I think it does all the time.


##  Maybe.  Or just dies out for lack of new hosts.
As I said, the flu virus strains mutate every generation due to lack of RNA 
prototype, and incorporates other Flu virus DNA.




I imagine meat eaters will kill the vulnerable young and old, if they
don't restrain themselves - in the country too.


##  Hungry vegetarians will eat anything just like anyone else.
Yes SOME would, i suppose, then they wouldn't be vegetarians. Perhaps less 
per 1000, due to different tastes, which is what I'm getting at. Our 
culture makes us hungry robots for meat along with all advertised 
food if you are not averse.



If the flu don't get you, starvation or hordes of hungry, scared and
about to be very ill people, probably will.

The vulnerable - not necessarily me.
It's not the flu that kills you, but mismanagement of flu cases: early
intervention, with fresh air is needed, not heat. Rest. A shawl might be
better, first. Then if heat is needed, radiant wood fire, with window
open. SAlt water for the passages, A flannel for fever. Body exercises
which loosen and strengthen congested areas, in the head, neck, and
shoulder, nasal, throat, chest areas. Relieves flu in a few short hours.
But there's no comparative study. Spanish flu epidemic is not a god
example, as it was engendered by vaccines, I believe.



##  Many "normal" flues will choke you up AFTER it is gone, for weeks.
  That's your own body doing it, "cleaning house"not the flu bug.
It's done, you aren't.
  Kill it fast and early, less damage to clean up. But lungs, nasal
passages and sinuses are only the tip of the systemic ice burg... a
treatment of symptoms, not causes.
Lungs etc are organs not symptoms, their optimal functioning aids recovery 
extremely fast, like one evening. BUt that's for people very much in tune. 
We don't have that superb technology , usually. Those cases are seen as 
*exceptions, and nothing is learnt from them.



Once a virus is contracted, it's too late for a vaccine and using one may
actually make it worse, piling a less harmful similar strain on top of
another, adding a merely uncomfortable defense to an up and coming deadly
defense mechanism...cleaning up twice at once...a little added to a lot.
With H5N1, it's the clean up that kills at a very high rate without help
for quite a while after the bug has succumbed to antibodies.

Yes, the poisons.


  The body does successfully kill the bug, but then the body itself,
kills itself.
  Transmission windows open before symptoms are felt, ready to go at the
first sign of a cough.
Again, optimal functioning of the organs or not, is what permits the 
contraction, and optimal funtion includes their axercise and the air 
environment. SOunds home-made and like lack-lustre technology, but it's a 
matte rof life or death, rather , isn't it?



  Tamiflu sorta works, but has a very narrow time window where it does
anything at all.  Too early or too late?...nothing.
  And there isn't nearly enough of it to go around or the people skill to
know when to use it.

  The type of cells H5N1 can now key into are deep in the lungs where
very few copies ever get to and don't become aerosolized much by
coughing.  But only a slight shift in viral structure can make eyes, nose
and throat into a viable target for attachment and replication and hence,
easy person to person transmission, shifting the dominant variant with
more available hosts.
  It has already jumped species.  So far,  it's a long jump.
It is already person to person communicable,  just not very communicable.

  THAT is what has biologists worried.  It doesn't have to make a very
big shift at all to become quite nasty.
All that's normal, nothing special, so why worry? Because they're paid to 
find a soloution: and we put our

Re: CS>Quarantine

[John Plumridge]

What's this black light MIke?


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Re: CS>How much does it cost now to get a drug or device approved by the FDA?

[Simon Jester]

On 10/19/2007, Nenah Sylver (nenahsyl...@cox.net) wrote:
How much does it cost nowadays to get a drug or device approved by 
the FDA? I'm sure the cost has increased in recent years. Has it hit 
$250 million yet? 


According to this study/link - which appears to be sometime around 2003 
- it is well over that now...


http://www.biag.org/BIAG/images/articles/art3b.pdf


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CS>[List Owner] Wind down the topics now...

[M. G. Devour]

Hello folks,

This is going to the list and to several individuals, who will receive 
two copies. 

Let me remind you that I've asked you to finish off the Doctors, 
vaccination, and related spin-off threads. We're done with the 
political philosophy arguments. I made the request yesterday, and it's 
high time that all of you notice that and comply.

You've all had more than your say. Don't answer them any more.

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Re: CS>Re: Forced flu vaccines?

[Simon Jester]

An argument can be made that under the common law, if there is no 
ACTUAL damaged party, there is no crime.



The issue is potential of harm


I know - hence my comments below...


And again - if you and yours are vaccinated, WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF?


If everyone were vaccinated, your wanderings would not be a problem 
and there would be no quarantine.


Non-responsive (and illogical and untrue, as well)...

See below...

However, in any scenario where a quarantine is in force, it's because 
not everyone has been immunized, most likely, only the first responders 
who has darned well better be, or have used some other proven method to 
prevent spreading things around.


It has been proven beyond a doubt that immunized people can - and in 
fact, almost certainly WILL be - carriers. The only thing a successful 
immunization for them would accomplish is preventing THEM from getting 
sick, NOT from spreading the disease.


So, what's the difference between them, and the unvaccinated?


You've made an assumption of system perfection where none exists.


Actually I have made an assumption that the system is broken beyond repair.

If the body is in a state of health - which is NOT the same thing as 
just the absence of any obvious evidence of disease - then disease 
cannot exist. Bechamp proved this beyond a doubt, and Royal Rife 
(among others) has confirmed it.


So, YOU won't "catch" a bug, but thousands of others who have the 
improper landscape will, as you simply carry it around for them without 
developing symptoms "as" your body eliminates it.

> Good for them.

Yep - just like the emergency/quarantine workers will be doing - so 
again, what's the difference?


Can you predict what bug is going to be killed by what landscape? You're 
sure yours is perfect?  Can't tell till it's too late.


That's why I also use ozone, and CS, and now MMS - and one of a dozens 
of herbal concoctions, instead of putting blind trust in the witches 
brews cooked up by the pharmaceutical companies...


Why do you think that some people *always* get sick when some bug is 
'going around', and others *never* do. It is not because of any 
vaccine or lack - it is because the 'germs' are unable to get a 
foothold and replicate in a healthy body.



Nobody never does. [well, maybe you the superman]   Some, a lot less.
I've not met a single soul that "never" got the least bit sick.


Of course I wasn't speaking in absolute absolutes... but since that's 
the only way you can appear in your mind to score points, feel free...


The germ AND the terrain is everything, maybe... but terrain varies 
widely, as do germs, in an imperfect world.


No argument - which is why I get sick sometimes (maybe once every few 
years)...



Ideally, Rife and Mr B  may be correct, but there's no such thing as ideal.


But of course... which is why I'm here, talking to people about MMS, 
learning, and exchanging ideas - things like the 'Vick's Vapor Rub' 
trick for colds (thanks Faith!) and the Salt Pipe idea (thanks - was it 
Dee?)



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Re: CS>Vaccines- chronic fatigue-Dave

[Dave]

 My home made is 20 ppm.
The MMS i started at 2 drops twice a day for one day then 6 drops twice 
a day which gave me a small nausea.

Then  I went to 10 drops and then 10 drops three times a day.
A that point I had bad diarrhea and puked out my dental plate into the 
toilet, not knowing it was gone I flushed the toilet.  That cost me $1000.00
 Now I take 15 drops after supper and 15 more in two hours with no 
nausea and am waiting to see what it will do.
At this time the blue moons on my fingernails have disappeared except 
for the thumbs which are spread out and fading.

My energy level is better and the brain fog problem seems better also.
Dave

Leslie wrote:

Glad to know the CS took care of the problem. What ppm's did you take? 
I have gotten 15 and was afraid to take since I was told to try for 10 
ppms.


Now, the MMS; I was leary for some reason so please let us know your 
reactions to this. There seemed to be a conflict with what 
www.coljoe.com had said and I can't remember. That is how I was 
affected from mercury! But I am working on getting better.


Leslie


From: "Dave" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Vaccines- chronic fatigue-Dave


Yes but compared to what I was going through with the Lyme I didn't 
give a damn if it killed me. So when the herx started I just ignored it.
 I had already been through a couple of pint bottles and thought it 
was another scam so I jumped right in with both feet and when the 
Herx hit I was thankful for it because i then new it was actually 
doing something.

Dave

Clayton Family wrote:

Thanks. Did you have any adverse reactions to that amount of cs?  
Like herks, or something else?  -Kathryn



On Oct 17, 2007, at 7:54 PM, Dave wrote:

 I took 6 ounces every half hour of awake time for three days and 
it broke like a fever in the middle of the night.


I've had almost four years of health and energy like a twenty year 
old ( I was 68 at the time) Now I'm getting tired a lot so don't 
know if it is coming back or not. No other symptoms.

I have been taking MMS and seeing some improvement .
Dave

Clayton Family wrote:

Now this is useful information, thanks.  How much did you take to 
get it under control, and did it go underground, or get killed off?


Kathryn

On Oct 17, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Dave wrote:

 I think that is when they discovered it ( named it) not when it 
began, before that they called it whatever it seemed to mimic, as 
Lyme does present a number of maladies. When they had me in the hos






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CS>Dave- lyme and CS

[bob Larson]

what kind of CS?  store-bought...brand? or home-brew?

> -Original Message-
> 
> Yes but compared to what I was going through with the Lyme I didn't give 
> a damn if it killed me. So when the herx started I just ignored it.
>   I had already been through a couple of pint bottles and thought it was 
> another scam so I jumped right in with both feet and when the Herx hit I 
> was thankful for it because i then new it was actually doing something.
> Dave
> 
> Clayton Family wrote:
> 
> > Thanks. Did you have any adverse reactions to that amount of cs?  Like 
> > herks, or something else?  -Kathryn
> >
> >
> > On Oct 17, 2007, at 7:54 PM, Dave wrote:
> >
> >>  I took 6 ounces every half hour of awake time for three days and it 
> >> broke like a fever in the middle of the night.
>


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Re: CS>Doctors...[Carol] - Kurt

[Marshall Dudley]

Dee wrote:
There's another point here which I don't think has been covered yet.  
This is that patients can be their own worst enemies. i.e. When the 
doctor says nothing can be done for their cold etc., they insist on 
anti-biotics or something that they can take home with them! 



I think that a lot of them probably intuitively know that the doctors 
are lieing.   They just don't realize that the doctor will NOT give them 
anything to help, although there are plenty of things that will 
typically help, such as CS, olive leaf extract, oreganol, ozone water, 
and possibly MMS.  They are simply looking in the wrong place for cures.


Marshall


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CS>How much does it cost now to get a drug or device approved by the FDA?

[Nenah Sylver]

How much does it cost nowadays to get a drug or device approved by the FDA? 
I'm sure the cost has increased in recent years. Has it hit $250 million 
yet?


Thanks.
Nenah

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Re: CS>Vaccines- chronic fatigue-Dave

[Leslie]

Glad to know the CS took care of the problem. What ppm's did you take? I 
have gotten 15 and was afraid to take since I was told to try for 10 ppms.


Now, the MMS; I was leary for some reason so please let us know your 
reactions to this. There seemed to be a conflict with what www.coljoe.com 
had said and I can't remember. That is how I was affected from mercury! But 
I am working on getting better.


Leslie


From: "Dave" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Vaccines- chronic fatigue-Dave


Yes but compared to what I was going through with the Lyme I didn't give a 
damn if it killed me. So when the herx started I just ignored it.
 I had already been through a couple of pint bottles and thought it was 
another scam so I jumped right in with both feet and when the Herx hit I 
was thankful for it because i then new it was actually doing something.

Dave

Clayton Family wrote:

Thanks. Did you have any adverse reactions to that amount of cs?  Like 
herks, or something else?  -Kathryn



On Oct 17, 2007, at 7:54 PM, Dave wrote:

 I took 6 ounces every half hour of awake time for three days and it 
broke like a fever in the middle of the night.


I've had almost four years of health and energy like a twenty year old 
( I was 68 at the time) Now I'm getting tired a lot so don't know if it 
is coming back or not. No other symptoms.

I have been taking MMS and seeing some improvement .
Dave

Clayton Family wrote:

Now this is useful information, thanks.  How much did you take to get 
it under control, and did it go underground, or get killed off?


Kathryn

On Oct 17, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Dave wrote:

 I think that is when they discovered it ( named it) not when it 
began, before that they called it whatever it seemed to mimic, as Lyme 
does present a number of maladies. When they had me in the hos





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CS>Vitamins & Minerals

[Ruth Bertella]

Hi Groups!

If for some reason you HAD to pick only your top 3 vitamin/mineral SUPPLEMENTS 
for the best overall nutritional health for your body that you'd use on a daily 
basis, what 3 things would it be?  I'm not talking about healing therapies such 
as CS, MMS, DMSO, or MSM, etc.  I'm trying to get a feel for what different 
individual's take to maintain their nutritional well being only, above and 
beyond any healing therapies that may be needed, and to see if I'm anywhere 
close to what I could be doing better for myself and family.  (combo 
supplements such as Emergen-C would count as only 1 of your 3 picks)

OK   pick FIVE if need be, but try to stick with no more than that please!  
   Besides having financial limitations, it's just no fun having to pop 
lots of pills or take numerous supplements on a daily basis.  I'm looking 
forward to lots of responses and the variety of ways in which we all try to 
accomplish our nutritional needs, besides using a good proper diet.  Of course, 
if you use more and it's a method that's inexpensive, and doesn't make you a 
slave to supplement ingestion, those would be interesting to hear as well.  I'm 
sure we all could benefit from everyone's input.

Thanks in advance!!
Ruth B.

Re: CS>Re: Doctors...

[Ode Coyote]

Neither they or I have forced anything on anyone.


You can choose otherwise at any time, but then, it's all on your head and 
no one to blame.


Defying a quarantine or refusing to play by the rules in their game, when 
*not playing* is an alternative [as in, stay at home]is you, forcing 
*your* opinions on others.


BTW, I am heavily armed.  Never knew why, till now.

LOL

Ode


My beef is with people - like Ode - who believe they have some kind of 
Right to force their medical beliefs and opinions *and* *practices* on me 
and my family and friends - and anyone else who claims the Right to own 
their own life and body.


I consider anyone like this my mortal enemy, and will act accordingly 
should we ever meet and they make their intentions known to me.



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Re: CS>Re: Forced flu vaccines?

[Simon Jester]

On 10/19/2007, Ode Coyote (odecoy...@alltel.net) wrote:
If it's not "live threatening" the whole point is a moot one, flu 
or anything else.

There will be no quarantine to defy.


Then why did you say earlier that there SHOULD be?

But even if not, passing even a mild cold around is still 
irresponsible and uncaring. 


No argument there. It is company policy where I work to not come in when 
you are sick - but people sometimes do it any way. I have no problem 
with a company policy like that, because the owner of the company is 
fully within HIS Right to enforce it.



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Re: CS>Re: Forced flu vaccines?

[Simon Jester]

Ode Coyote, on 10/19/2007 5:56 AM, said the following:
Actually president shrub, just vetoed a bill that would have removed 
mercury from vaccines, What a guy.



 A lot of good bills get vetoed because they hang crap all over them.


I agree... thats why I advocate a Constitutional Amendment to require:

1. One Issue per Bill

and

2. The Bills Title must accurately reflect the subject matter and/or 
intent of the Bill


Can't take it out of the old ones, you know, and can't toss those until 
new stocks are built up...


Ok - you believe that not having enough vaccines around is more 
important than the risk of the mercury contamination, presumably since 
you don';t see a problem with it in the first place... you're consistent 
at least.



or, if something happens, there are no vaccines and people like
yourself will scream venom and rabid foam about that too.


Why would we scream about it if we have zero interest in taking them? 
Kind of a silly comment...


" I Hate all doctors and the whole field of medicine and every one in 
it...you should all be shot and hanged, so why haven't you saved me?"


Stop putting words in our mouths, Ode - its disengenuous, at best - and 
dishonest at worst.


I have repeatedly admitted that our MEdical System EXCELS when it comes 
to the treatment of TRAUMA. You, on the other hand, appear to be unable 
to separate the treatment of TRAUMA from the treatment of chronic disease.


Unless you have some real info, in context and an ability to use 
discretionary analysis, it's just mindless hate talking, isn't it?


If your premise (the above FAKE quote) were true, I'd agree...


Do you use doctors?  If so, why should they bother with you?


I would welcome their help if I was hurt in an accident of some kind.


Help those near you.   Go buy a snake bite kit.


I keep one with me at all times when hiking in the wilderness... so 
whats your point?



..and do your part, stop buying any and all medicines.


Did that a long time ago...


Drop the insurance companies.


Haven't had insurance for almost 15 years - and haven't been to a doctor 
 either... although I have been considering buying some kind of 
catastrophic coverage...



They depend on YOU to stay in business.


Umm... yeah, so?

The system certainly needs a big overhaul, but that doesn't make Devils 
and criminals out of every person in it.


No one said it did... only the ones who know better, AND are in a 
position to do something about it (like your friends with the duh-grees 
who lead secret lives)...


They have hard decisions to make every day with some severe rules to 
work under because of lawsuits from mindless inconsiderate simpleton 
haters.


If they limited their skills to areas where they were actually 
applicable - like treatment of TRAUMA - well, we wouldn't even be having 
this conversation, would we?


All you have to do is hate somebody you don't know, with absolutely no 
consideration for realities and all is well in your world.


Who/what I hate is well-defined...

YOU set those boundaries that doctors can't step out of, for fear of 
being wrong and getting crushed.

It's all YOUR fault !

Good work!


No - people who refuse to accept responsibility and accountability for 
their own health did those things...



Doctors killed 800,000 people?
Not a chance.


Far more, actually - these figures are from GOVERNMENT SOURCES - the 
CDC, etc - so why exactly do you disbelieve them?


The vast majority of those people were already as good as dead, hoping 
to be saved for next to nothing.


Right - the guy who went in for routine surgery and died because of a 
doctors mistake (wrong prescription, drug interaction, etc), or from a 
massive MRSA infection due to improper air filtration and/or hygienic 
practices - yeah, he was as good as dead.


Actually, my comment is true - he was as good as dead when he decided to 
put his trust in the system.



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Re: CS>Vaccines- chronic fatigue / NIACIN

[Nenah Sylver]

- Original Message - 
From: "Dave" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Vaccines- chronic fatigue / NIACIN



Nenah:
Glad to have you back!
 I well know the power of Niacin, the first time I used it I took a 500 mg 
tablet and waited about a half an hour for the flush,it didn't come so I 
took another one. I turned bright red all over( not like a swim suit) and 
the slightest movement made me feel like I was rolling in fiberglass 
insulation. My heart rate came up until it seemed close to that of a 
jackhammer.
 That lasted for 12 hours,so that is why I always say to start small and 
work up.
Now I take 3 grams and get a mild flush which is my goal.  The niacin has 
rid me of all spider veins and turned my numb right foot back to normal 
for a 20 year old. I'm 72.  Sounds to me like Hubbard may be full of it!

Dave



Hi Dave.
Thanks for the welcome back.

I'm not sure why you say Hubbard was "full of it." If you read the passages 
carefully, you'll see that Hubbard was NOT saying that everyone who takes 
niacin gets a "swim suit" response. He was simply observing that people have 
different responses -- and that if the body is flushing, it makes no sense 
to have the outlines of a swim suit show up unless the one group of people 
who took niacin and got their swim suits outlined on their skin had mild 
cases of sun poisoning, which was being purged from the body. And, indeed, 
that particular group of people HAD been in the sun. Not everyone had 
been -- and the people who had not been in the sun, got different responses 
when taking niacin.


Your experiences, and Hubbard's statemtnt that niacin is a potent 
detoxifier, support each other. I repeat three of the sentences: "The first 
group of research subjects, who needed to recover from sun poisoning, 
developed symptoms uniquely related to their condition. The second group 
manifested symptoms specific to atomic radiation poisoning (as well as  more 
symptoms in general) because they had been exposed to nuclear  waste. 
Hubbard's explanation 50 years ago was convincing then, and  seems equally 
convincing today: that niacin is an effective and powerful catalyst that 
induces the body's detoxification response without itself becoming 
transformed in the change."


Thank you for your report, Dave. Your report of eliminating the spider veins 
and making your numb foot normal also hold great promise. This shows the 
potent power of niacin. It also indicates that at least for you, those two 
conditions were the result of toxins in your system. Think of what this 
could mean for other people! Lots of food for thought here


Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD
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Re: CS>Vaccines- chronic fatigue

[Marshall Dudley]

Wow! That is news to me, but searching the net, I find quite a few 
articles on this.  Definitely worth more research on my part.


Thanks,

Marshall

Kurt Milkowski wrote:
The pathogen is Borrelia burgdorferi and all of its friends. The 
aspartame and mercury are food for the bugs. Yes lyme has been around 
for a long time, they just keep making it better all the time. Keeps 
us confused that way. In a recent study 100 out of 100 alzhiemers 
patients tested postive for Bb post mortum, very intersting.
 
Kurt


*/Marshall Dudley /* wrote:

I used the wrong word. I meant weapnoized for the lyme. Lyme existed
long before it was apparently weaponized, but apparently as a much
less
virulent strain. The present epidemic seems to have developed from a
strain that appeared near Lyme in the 70's.

Do you have anything to support that the other diseases you listed
are
designer? I know that several can be caused by neurotoxins, such as
aspertame and mercury, but as a designer disease, I would think a
pathogen would be required.

Marshall

Kurt Milkowski wrote:
> Well you have to look at how long other "designer" disease have
been
> around. Here are a few, alhiemers, als, parkinsons, ms, lupus,
autism,
> just to name a few.
> Kurt
> */Marshall Dudley /* wrote:
>
> Kurt Milkowski wrote:
> > How long do you think lyme has been around? It's not a "new"
> disease,
> > been around for a long time. Just became named recently.
> From what I have been able to determine it was "designed" in the
> early
> to mid 80's, then released to the wild near the naval base's
> biological
> warefare research center around Lyme around 1986 or so.
>
> Marshall
> >
> > */Marshall Dudley /* wrote:
> >
> > Kurt Milkowski wrote:
> > > Hey Jess,
> > >
> > > Most likely the mmr vaccine would be the likely culprit. This is
> > the
> > > one that seems to be causing autism, which is lyme under another
> > name.
> > How can you arrive at that conclusion? Autism predates Lyme by a
> > century or more.
> >
> > Marshall
> > >
> > > Kurt
> > >
> > > */jessie70 /* wrote:
> > >
> > > Kurt, you got lyme disease from which vaccine? Thanks, Jess
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > *From:* Kurt Milkowski [mailto:kurt.milkow...@sbcglobal.net]
> > > *Sent:* Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:31 PM
> > > *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> > > *Subject:* Re: CS>Vaccines- chronic fatigue
> > >
> > > Hey Kathryn,
> > >
> > > No problem. Yep the mycoplasma is used alot in bio-weapons.
> > > Check into lyme disease, thats what I have, got it from a
> > > vaccine. Lots of folks with lyme suffer from cfs and fibro.
> > >
> > > Kurt
> > >
> > > */Clayton Family /* wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for posting this whole series. It is interesting
> > > reading. The
> > > chronic fatigue part stood out for me.
> > >
> > > "Brucella mycoplasma was probably responsible for chronic
> > > fatigue
> > > syndrome and fibromyalgia as well."
> > >
> > > It is known that fungal toxins can cause chronic fatigue,
> > > and it may
> > > well be that there are many other kinds of toxins and
> > > infections
> > > involved too. I read somewhere about other mycoplasma
> > > infections being
> > > implicated in asthma, and maybe other immune related
> > > conditions. Asthma
> > > can be caused by Valley Fever, which is an endemic fungi
> > > residing in
> > > the strata in the western states.
> > >
> > > I took antifungals for 18 months to rid myself of an
> > > entrenched fungal
> > > infection: it seemed to work, yet when I started CS, I
> > > began having die
> > > off rxns, and other rxns which were the same as what I get
> > > when exposed
> > > to toxins. Therefore, maybe the CS also releases cellular
> > > toxins in
> > > some way. In any case, I had some other kind of infection
> > > going on that
> > > the antifungals were not touching: not fungal, but
> > > something else, and
> > > the silver was doing quite a bit.
> > >
> > > fungal toxins cause neurological damage- is brucella
> > > fungal, I wonder?
> > > Those fungal toxins are used in biological weapons.
> > >
> > > And the bit about genetically engineered vacs- have you
> > > seen "The
> > > Future of Food" ? it is about genetically engineered food,
> > > and it seems
> > > like the film understates the problem. There are toxins
> > > and poisons
> > > deliberately sequenced into the genes of food, so it
> > > becomes poisonous
> > > at a low level. Organic is alot better, locally grown
> > > seems like the
> > > best idea.
> > >
> > > Kathryn
> > >
> > > 

Re: CS>Re: Forced flu vaccines?

[Simon Jester]

On 10/19/2007, Ode Coyote (odecoy...@alltel.net) wrote:
Must be horribly stressful to be so angry all the time...and not even 
a teenager.


The anger only lasts as long as it takes to type up the reply - which is 
only a few seconds - and it isn't really anger, more like extreme 
irritation...



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CS>Re: Doctors...

[Simon Jester]

On 10/19/2007, Mark Siepak (bro...@gtcinternet.com) wrote:

> You haven't answered the important question, if you are vaccinated,
what
> >are you afraid of?

There was no question asked, but to answer anyway


Yes there was - although it was in the form of a statement that no one 
had answered it yet...


It was:

"I'd still like to hear why people who believe in the safety and
efficacy of vaccinations (and therefore are vaccinated themselves,
right?) are so afraid of the unvaccinated."


but to answer anyway

Burying the bodies of stupid people, and the resultant waves of disease
and pest overpopulation that cannot be vaccinated against.

Can you say bubonic plague?


Ok - so, since I am of the firm opinion that the eating of large 
quantities of dead food in the form of microwaved food, McDonald's, 
candy, soda pop, etc ad nauseum, it is my absolute Right that anyone who 
engages in said behavior should be placed in a mental institution for 
rehabilitation, where they will be forced to learn about proper 
nutrition and how to take care of their body.


Why should this be allowed? Because otherwise, all of us who are already 
aware of this knowledge and are willing to practice it are forced to pay 
vastly higher costs for insurance, as well as suffer the spiraling costs 
of medical treatment to treat these stupid people (your words) when they 
get sick due to their poor lifestyle choices.


Can you say Cancer/MS/MD/any of the other hundreds of different 
'diseases' that have been created by these poor lifestyle choices?



the mark of civilization is the way it treats its' young, feeble, and
aged. You would let everyone die but the fit, healthy, lucky ones.


Actually, you'd be surprised... I recently had to watch a favorite aunt 
die a slow, painful death from Cancer, while she chugged away at her 6-8 
diet pepsi's a day, ate microwaved food exclusively, lots of white 
bread, margarine - the SAD diet, basically.


Vibrant health has nothing to do with luck - and yes, I would advocate 
that people should be required to suffer the consequences of their own 
poor choices in life - ESPECIALLY if the alternative being suggested is 
to force other people to pay for their mistakes and VOLUNTARY CHOICES.


That doesn't mean I'm a heartless bastard - it means I'm an HONEST 
bastard. Why honest? Because to suggest that others be forced AT 
GUNPOINT to pay for the mistakes and voluntary choices of other people 
is to advocate theft and/or extortion.



Sick Bastard, if I may re-use a term

No more, this is OT, and your ideas and morals are so corrupt you are
not worth my time.


Dude, if you're gonna talk to yourself, at least keep it off-list...


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Re: CS>Doctors...

[Ode Coyote]

When a person approaches a health care provider, or anyone else providing 
a service,  and relinquishes their self-responsibility for acquiring  at 
least some knowledge of the problem they are sealing their fate. If you 
know your engine is always stalling and the mechanic tells you he's done 
an evaluation and you're crazy, would you keep bringing your car back to him?



##  I've heard this one a hundred times.
 Car comes in needing a new clutch, gets new clutch.
10,000 miles later, it needs another one.
 Customer screams about being screwed, but won't listen to driving lessons.
 Tries to sue the mechanic...sometimes wins because judges know nothing 
about cars or driving one.
 Meanwhile, the mechanics identical clutch has out lived 3 engines at 
800,000 miles on the car.


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Re: CS>Re: Forced flu vaccines?

[Ode Coyote]

Ok - but you said the FLU earlier... lets stop changing gears from 1st to 
50th, and stay on point.


## If it's not "live threatening" the whole point is a moot one, flu or 
anything else.

There will be no quarantine to defy.
But even if not, passing even a mild cold around is still irresponsible and 
uncaring.



If by chance the vaccination doesn't work, at least you've taken the 
steps than can be taken to prevent transmission, vs, no steps at all...or 
anti-steps.


I have no fear of any pandemic... I know that - as long as some government 
thug doesn't come along and drag me out of my home 'for my own good' and 
away from my ozone generator and herbs and CS generator, etc - and now MMS 
- I can beat pretty much anything that comes along.


##  Very nice, but not previously stated, in context, as a condition.
"You didn't listen to what I didn't say! "
 I'm sure everyone will agree and not react when they don't know that you 
are right and everyone else wrong.



That some vaccinations might not work "as advertised" doesn't mean none 
do, at least, "something".


But my something is far better than you're something - and has no NEGATIVE 
side effects to boot.


## And is also unknown and unproven.  If you can prove it to those who 
don't know that you are not a carrier, then fine and good.
 But the game is a majority game, not an individual game and scared people 
don't tend to listen to "oddballs" [the source of anything new ].  So, good 
luck staying free of holes, deserved or not.



I'll betcha that when you see some people around you dropping like flies 
and some not, you'll be wondering why, then.


Nope - the ones that aren't dropping are most likely either like me, or 
have some natural immunity... definitely not some vaccine-immune-depressed 
zombie...


## Only the reality will tell that story, then you have to convince a lot 
of other people with short fuses who will equally believe you are a threat 
as you believe you are not.
Personally, I've been vaccinated several times and never noticed being a 
zombie, nor do I know of any. [ If I was one, would I notice? ]
 I've also had a "quarter ton" of silver amalgam  fillings since childhood 
and never noticed any ill effect.

 Such venomous blanket statements don't cover the subject of human variation.

 I do know a few folks with Autism and some that place the blame entirely 
on a vaccination..but they well could only be partially right and fixation 
on a single cause in spite of many and greater ones, is error that won't 
solve the problem.
"All" cases of Autism probably aren't caused by Mercury anyhow, but if some 
or even most are, that's reason enough to not add insult to injury in a 
judicious manner that doesn't increase risk to those not at risk...or to 
not use what's available if not doing so, is a greater risk.


Whether vaccines work or not, most people believe they do and evidence 
bears out the belief pretty well, if not absolutely.
 It takes a long time and great expense to stock pile them and just 
tossing out the old before replacing them with new, isn't an option.
There will be a period of risk assessment that might last a decade or two 
and pressure to comply. [with more difficult "outs" included, IF, there is 
no current epidemic. ]


If you attack the beliefs of a majority to introduce something new, you'll 
have to deal with the defenses you triggered, right or wrong.
You could just bypass that whole affair on pure merit, but that takes some 
"work", patience and an even temper...and something you can prove works better.
 Screaming at people about how absolutely wrong they are makes them NOT 
look and makes you look like a nutcase.
There is such a thing as "In addition to" and "complementary methods". You 
don't have to kill a neighbors mule to ride a horse and if you do, it had 
best be a fast one.

 Venom, says snake, not saviour.
just how the world works.

EIS  [CS] would be one, but telling people that all doctors are lairs and 
quacks isn't going to make it any friends...and it's not true.

If it DOES work better, all else automatically falls aside as un-needed.
 That some "establishment" people are doing the same thing, but need to do 
it in a way that makes a profit, doesn't eliminate the self helper who 
won't pay that price.
 But it does help believers who do feel a need to pay for the scientific 
expertise in leu of their own studies.


 Virtually everyone uses propaganda to sell ideas and products.  Fact of 
life.  Get over it.

 Doing the same thing only not nearly as well, won't go anywhere better.
Don't victimize yourself with ignorance.   Nobody "makes" anyone 
listen...or not listen.

 By  that token, I've never bought EIS from anyone, propaganda or not.
 I've bothered to find out that there isn't a significant difference 
between $1 a gallon and $7 an ounce of virtually the same thing.


I never said you "were" nuts,  just that you act like itparticularly 
when you insist that Ozone is absolute

Re: CS>Doctors...

[Ode Coyote]

  Of course, doctors know everything  possible under the sun and every 
single one of millions of human variations and combinations.

 Fat chance.
 Your belief in doctors  is infallible and when it's unrealistic, that's 
their fault.


Yea, that'll work...and you aren't evil.
Mental illness never made a body sick.

Ode

At 02:42 PM 10/16/2007 -0700, you wrote:

When so many people go to see a doctor because they have no idea what is 
wrong with them and are sent away being told that there is nothing wrong 
with them all the while the doctor knows but he is lying, that makes them 
EVIL. I know there may be some that don't have a clue as to whats going 
on, but if they've been around for a while they know.


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Re: CS>Re: Vaccines Part 3

[Ode Coyote]

What you overlook is the fact that people are contagiuus before they feel 
the symptoms.


 It would be an outbreak that dictates a quarantine to stop it from 
becoming an epidemic.

 If vaccination stops outbreaks, it's a non issue.
Those who are called upon to decide, will decide and, in their absence, 
those who feel threatened will decide like a lynch mob, right or wrong.


Ode



I, on the other hand, would advocate the quarantining of all of the
people who actually evidence symptoms of said disease - and would
strongly urge those whose immune systems are compromised - whether
through poor lifestyle choices, lots of vaccinations, or some
combination thereof - to stay home, and away from other people.

Vaccination or nonvaccination would be irrelevant...

I'd still like to hear why people who believe in the safety and efficacy
of vaccinations (and therefore are vaccinated themselves, right?) are so
afraid of the unvaccinated.



Only if I'm not.
Question is, is it possible to vaccinate very many?
 In some cases, not possible to vaccinate ANY...then, only essential 
personnel.
  "If" the H5N1 pops up, that will be the case for most for almost a year 
and many for several more years.
 With modern vectors, it's not likely anything can be done before the 
trucks stop running...and the soon to be ill [not knowing they are] had 
best not be driving them, thereby being part of the vector.


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Re: CS>Re: Forced flu vaccines?

[Ode Coyote]

I suppose you think you have a right to drive drunk too, ey?


An argument can be made that under the common law, if there is no ACTUAL 
damaged party, there is no crime.


##  The issue is potential of harm


However, people do have a LIMITED right to protect themselves by enacting 
laws against behavior that exhibits a reckless disregard for the safety of 
those around them, so, no, I would not claim such a right - my Rights stop 
where yours start.


You can refuse a vaccination, but then, stay at home making it "your" 
problem and not many many other peoples problem.


And again - if you and yours are vaccinated, WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF?


##  If everyone were vaccinated, your wanderings would not be a problem and 
there would be no quarantine.
However, in any scenario where a quarantine is in force, it's because not 
everyone has been immunized, most likely, only the first responders who has 
darned well better be, or have used some other proven method to prevent 
spreading things around.

 You've made an assumption of system perfection where none exists.



THE GERM IS NOTHING - THE TERRAIN IS EVERYTHING.



terrain?  Define it.


The state of health (or lack thereof) of the body - the digestive tract, 
the eliminative and regulatory systems and organs, etc.


If the body is in a state of health - which is NOT the same thing as just 
the absence of any obvious evidence of disease - then disease cannot 
exist. Bechamp proved this beyond a doubt, and Royal Rife (among others) 
has confirmed it.


## So, YOU won't "catch" a bug, but thousands of others who have the 
improper landscape will, as you simply carry it around for them without 
developing symptoms "as" your body eliminates it.  Good for them.
Can you predict what bug is going to be killed by what landscape? You're 
sure yours is perfect?  Can't tell till it's too late.





Why do YOU think people get sick and how do they communicate that illness?


Why do you think that some people *always* get sick when some bug is 
'going around', and others *never* do. It is not because of any vaccine or 
lack - it is because the 'germs' are unable to get a foothold and 
replicate in a healthy body.


##  Nobody never does. [well, maybe you the superman]   Some, a lot less.
I've not met a single soul that "never" got the least bit sick.

The germ AND the terrain is everything, maybe...but terrain varies widely, 
as do germs, in an imperfect world.

Ideally, Rife and Mr B  may be correct, but there's no such thing as ideal.

Ode

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Re: CS>Re: Forced flu vaccines?

[Ode Coyote]

At 01:21 PM 10/17/2007 -0400, you wrote:


Ode Coyote wrote:




It is interesting that the USA Polio epidemic started around the same 
time as the Spanish Flu epidemic and problematic 
vaccine...but...causation doesn't exactly add up linking Spanish Flu 
vaccines to Polio.  Smallpox vaccines to Polio?

 "Vaguely Possible"That would be quite a stretch of the imagination.

Not according to medical experts:

http://www.westonaprice.org/letters/L2001fa.html
That the smallpox vaccination caused polio in the 1940s.



A one liner with no reference to a documented connection is positive proof ?
A lot of substandard info on the whole page.
For instance:
 Smoking does not "cause" cancer, it puts conditions in place for the odds 
of developing cancerous tumors to increase and occur at a higher rate in 
some smokers.
Smoking has been linked to "higher rates of occurance", constituting an 
added risk factor, not a "cause".
 Those who have never smoked, still get cancer, but at a lower statistical 
rate at a later age...and not all that much lower at that.
 We are all getting cancer all the time.  The *cause* is error in DNA 
replication which can be *triggered* in numerous ways.

Usually, the immune system knocks it out before it becomes a problem.
 Smoking may depress that immune system as well.

 The tobacco companies were not "lying", they were hedging a hedged 
truth.  Neither side of the fight *drama* was being honest.


"That they were still using arsenic to "cure" syphilis."
Hey, it worked pretty good, and the only alternative is to not even try.
Penicillin is obviously better in retrospect, but was there any available, 
there, at that time?

It took a very long time after it was discovered, to make enough.


http://www.whale.to/vaccines/polio.html



According to that article, it was the early "Salk" POLIO vaccine that made 
for polio cases...not the "Spanish flu" vaccine which wasn't mentioned at all.
 However, no breakdown of how many cases were prevented compared to those 
that were induced.

 A better one came along later, and probably for good reason.

Rule:  You go with what you have, not what you don't have.
A six point harness is far better in a crash than a lap belt, but if you 
don't have one, a lap belt is better than nothing and not using it is just 
plain stupid.

When something better comes around, you go with that.
 That's what happened.


ode

Further, when you realize that we needed vaccination to provoke polio in 
the first place, with the first known outbreak not occurring until mass 
smallpox vaccination 100 years ago, well then you realize that avoiding 
the administration of the other vaccines almost entirely removes any 
threat of polio anyway.


Not only did the polio vaccine have nothing to do with the decline of 
paralytic polio (or polio in general), evidence shows that vaccinations 
for this and other diseases, notably diptheria, triple antigen (diptheria, 
pertussis and tetanus) and smallpox - were responsible for its increase. 
The decline of cases not caused by vaccination began to disappear in the 
West with improvements in hygiene and sanitation and most of the decline 
occurred well before the widespread use of polio vaccination.


http://www.vran.org/vaccines/polio/vaccine-pol.htm
Around the turn of the 20th century, people began reporting paralytic 
illness after smallpox vaccination. ^(15) By the 1920s, infantile 
paralysis (later renamed polio) began to emerge as an important new 
disease that often afflicted the limb that had been vaccinated. And later, 
when typhoid vaccine, then diphtheria, tetanus vaccines and pertussis 
vaccines gained widespread use, illness and paralytic episodes following 
vaccination became common knowledge. Provocation polio is a well known 
phenomenon precipitated by "diverse factors that provoke or increase the 
severity of polio in its victims, or localize it to a certain section in 
the nervous system." Some of these factors included: vaccination, trauma, 
tonsillectomies, pertussis vaccines, and the injection of numerous 
substances such as cortisone, bismuth, guanine and penicillin. ^(9)

Polio vaccines to anything else?...not a chance.


How do you know so much more than the experts?  Check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPV_AIDS_hypothesis

According to the *oral polio vaccine (OPVA) AIDS hypothesis*, the AIDS 
 pandemic 
 originated from live polio 
vaccines  prepared in 
chimpanzee  tissue cultures which 
were administered to up to one million Africans between 1957 
 and 1960 
. The specific populations were the 
first in the world to experience HIV-1 infections and AIDS some five years 
later.


In particular the experimental oral vaccine, called CHAT-1, is claimed to 
have been contaminated with

Re: CS>Salt therapy

[Ode Coyote]

  The omron ultrasonics are very popular.
 Ebay

The Medisana ultrasonic  personal humidifiers work the same way at about 
half the price, but not as easy to use.


Ode

At 10:32 AM 10/17/2007 +0100, you wrote:

Thanks Jodi but here we have the problem of what nebulizer to buy and how 
to do it all?  I am going to have to do something like this though because 
this weak chest is a family thing (my dad died of it) so do you know of a 
good make, which isn't going to break the bank?  Thanks in advance.  Dee


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Date: 16/10/2007 23:27:41
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Salt therapy


I would nebulize CS for that.Jodi


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Re: CS>Re: Forced flu vaccines?

[Ode Coyote]

 A lot of good bills get vetoed because they hang crap all over them.
So, exactly what all was in that bill, other than no longer using mercury 
in new vaccines?
 Can't take it out of the old ones, you know, and can't toss those until 
new stocks are built up...or, if something happens, there are no vaccines 
and people like yourself will scream venom and rabid foam about that too.


" I Hate all doctors and the whole field of medicine and every one in 
it...you should all be shot and hanged, so why haven't you saved me?"


Unless you have some real info, in context and an ability to use 
discretionary analysis, it's just mindless hate talking, isn't it?


Do you use doctors?  If so, why should they bother with you?
Help those near you.   Go buy a snake bite kit.

..and do your part, stop buying any and all medicines.
Drop the insurance companies.
They depend on YOU to stay in business.

The system certainly needs a big overhaul, but that doesn't make Devils and 
criminals out of every person in it.
They have hard decisions to make every day with some severe rules to work 
under because of lawsuits from mindless inconsiderate simpleton haters.
All you have to do is hate somebody you don't know, with absolutely no 
consideration for realities and all is well in your world.


YOU set those boundaries that doctors can't step out of,  for fear of being 
wrong and getting crushed.

It's all YOUR fault !

Good work!

Doctors killed 800,000 people?
 Not a chance.
 The vast majority of  those people were already as good as dead, hoping 
to be saved for next to nothing.
OOPS, not the infallible Gods they demanded we be...just other people doing 
a tough job with the best of intentions, to the best of their still limited 
ability, while being spit on...with a great big paper towel bill to wipe it 
off.


My respect for the institution has been dramatically increased, by Kurt and 
Simon.

 Now I understand the establishments position a lot better.
And if they charge more and do less, I now know why.
Self defense.

Well, don't go a blow a gasket, Dude...you might need a doctor...and you'll 
hate him for your being sick the whole time he's trying to patch you up.


What you really hate, is your own dependency and helplessness.
your own fear of death.
..the fact that you don't know what to do and HAVEN'T spent years of 
sleepless nights studying.


Go fix yourself,  then it's all on YOUR head and you can hate the RIGHT 
person if you fail.


Ode

At 02:34 PM 10/16/2007 -0700, you wrote:

Actually president shrub, just vetoed a bill that would have removed 
mercury from vaccines, What a guy.


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Re: CS>Re: Forced flu vaccines?

[Ode Coyote]

Yeah, really 'cool'... Ode, you just lost any shred of credibility you may 
have had...


And you, Simon, are incredible.
Must be horribly stressful to be so angry all the time...and not even a 
teenager.


Very glad not to be there.

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Re: CS>Re: Forced flu vaccines?

[John Plumridge]

Hi Ode,


breifly, about microsocpes, we can only get incomplete knowledge, and all 
of it unnecessary to know how to live healthily or to find suitable healing 
conditions. SUch knowledge only blunts our senses, and because of that our 
immune system, which needs our full senses to work efficiently.


The microscope knowledge is a snapshot, and relies upon theory, most of 
that misleading and vain. WHere there is some good work (e.g. Bechamp - 
please do read him), the result is to advise good healthy living both to 
prevent and to recover from disease, and not fancy interventions.


TRo go the microscope way, assumes we can improve upon what we have without 
them. But we still use our eyes and brains. There are always more and more 
subtle levels, way beyond the conventional microscope. WHilst these 
processes work, they are subordinate to conscious intelligence and action 
in the world of naturally presented elements, natural living and foods. 
What I mean to say is, that whilst material processes and chi have their 
own approximate laws, or levels of stability and rules of fluidity, it's 
the way we live which governs them all. Not the other way round...both as 
the cause of our ailments and the cures.



Take water, there are many kinds and the ancients determined this without 
microscopes. It is they who alerted us to silver, and every good medical 
ruse.
You may call cs nano-technology, I don't. The electrical invention doesn't 
need a microscope, either. But better would be the unpolluted waters 
containing silver, I think, as well as silver in our soils.



JOhn

(still no mouse..sorry for uncut post)


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wrote:




  Silver IS being rediscovered in more effective forms as
  nano-technology and ion exchange technology are better understood
though progression of discovery.
  You haven't noticed how many products it's being used in lately?
The list is a long one.

Even the "Pharm" is catching on.

That was the example hinted at for my suggestion of rediscovery as
opposed  to progressive discovery.


As of around 5 years ago, a pharm research department head friend of
mine was working on metallic nano particles.
That's all he would say.

Might have been touched off by a CS generator gift a year earlier.
I don't know, but he got pretty quiet after that.

  They aren't all  "turkeys" , you know.
You'd be surprised at how 'cool' some of these guys are,  just under the
lab coats, nearly incomprehensible back deck  barbecue party
conversations and triple PHD exteriors.


I'll bet my boots they got their ideas from alternative/complimentary
users like people on this list, and some press reports of the fact, plus
the problems of mms and the soloution of silver offered by certain
companies using silver for linings in long-life products.
What medical reseachers study is all politically driven. 'Cool' I'm sure
phd students are - they study cool and wear it like a uniform. Speak
cool,  I don't think so...barbecue parity conversation isn't so free
where you  hear the name of university colleges.. They are usually five
years behind  free thinkers who also try to solve imaginary problems.
Of course some are naturally intelligent,  and wear what they like in a
nice way, like shirts instead of T-shirts.  It is true, I suppose, phd
students, though dressed uninterestingly, are beginning to break a
little  from student conformity, into adult conformity.

But Cool is dead now. The re-birth of cool, would be the re-emergence of
the unpaid politically-free 'Gentleman Scholar'. Like yourself.
Couldn't  be less interested in nano-technology, or anything to do with
microscopes  myself. Another disaster for the human race, before we
just live.  Seriously unnecessary  toys for  people who seriously insist
on missing  things with the scope of intelligence and the human eye.


JOhn.


##  I don't understand how looking closer can be "bad".
Blundered into or studied scientifically, Colloidal Silver IS
nano-technology.
  Study doesn't change that.
If I had those microscopes, I'd sure be using them.
  Granted, there are directions these guy have to go in..it's their job
to find what the boss wants them to look for, but they do some things on
the side in those labs that would rock your opinions of them.
Some, are stuffed shirts, to be sure, but some are wearing two or more
shirts that are quite subversive.
If I hadn't known them personally for 35 years, I'd never know and never
hear what they really do when no one is looking, or hear what independent
paths are being taken on the sly, discussed around the Barbie and beer.
While looking close, other things pop up that don't fit the plan and
can't be used...but it's there and not forgotten or dismissed.
People are people and none can be pigeon holed.  You just never know
what's just behind the appearances projected.
Cool, [open minded and

Re: CS>Vaccines- chronic fatigue / NIACIN

[Simon Jester]

On 10/18/2007, Nenah Sylver (nenahsyl...@cox.net) wrote:
6 grams of Niacin to help the circulation of these things to the 
joints. If you want to try this start very small on the niacin as the 
flush can be severe until you build up a resistance.


I actually like the flush... :)

Also, there are two forms of niacin... the one that gives you the flush 
is called just niacin, and is more for opening up the capillaries closer 
to the surface of the skin (this is why it causes the 'flush').


Niacinamide, on the other hand, is the kind referred to that does not 
cause flushing. It is more for opening up the INTERNAL capillaries and 
vessels. When you take too much of this kind, you can get a kind of 
creepy-crawly feeling - this is because it is causing kind of an 
'internal' flush...


Niacin/niacinamide is a very powerful detox tool, and is used in the 
'Clear' detox program created by L. Ron Hubbard. This is is a very 
powerful detox program, regardless of the fact that he also created the 
scientology cult.



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Re: CS>Re: Forced flu vaccines?

[Simon Jester]

On 10/18/2007, John Plumridge (bollyb...@yahoo.co.uk) wrote:
To be fair, SImon is not knocking, or discussing CS knowledge, but 
it's uptake by the pharmacology industry and students.


SO in that way, he is not knocking Ode's credibility on that. Perhaps 
he is challenging, and incensed, with the dismissive attitude to 
wards those who do not accept that they should be shot for refusing 
to go along with a medical theory (vaccination) and it's practice. 
About this subject, I don't think CS knoweldge is the same: it 
requires reading of the alternative evidence first of the theory and 
practice of vaccination. 


Wow - someone actually read the words I wrote... thanks John :)


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Re: CS>Vaccines- chronic fatigue / NIACIN

[Simon Jester]

and 6 grams of Niacin to help the circulation of these things to the
joints. If you want to try this start very small on the niacin as the
flush can be severe until you build up a resistance.


And of course I just noticed AFTER I sent that that Nenah did a much 
better job job saying the same thing and in much more detail.


Nenah - I keep telling myself I need to order your book - so I just 
did... :)


Thanks for the nudge!


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Re: CS>Quarantine

[John Plumridge]

Hi, if you can get agreement on who quarantines the quarantine workers, or 
how they a supply to the quarantine should be approached, perhaps the best 
quarantine for all is at home. Less likely to spread within the school 
population, if it is contagious to the healthy, plus they would be able to 
stay healthier at home I imagine, if the windows are open. WHich is  what 
is needed to stop an epidemic amongst people...good air (although that's a 
medical re-discovery waiting to be tested and patented and sold).


Basically, when the air is so poor, and still, we are dying, when it is not 
we are healing and thriving. That's why small outbreaks spread in public 
places (buildings).


Whoever designs the air-conditioning however they can, if it is used, will 
never beat an open window for health, because the planetary 
air-conditioning system (patent pending) is superior and always required, 
even for the puny contraptions to work.


JOhn

--On 18 October 2007 14:22:38 +0900 "Jonathan B. Britten" 
 wrote:



One of the fundamental questions goes beyond the issue of immunizations,
which is a very, very complex issue, and probably not entirely one way or
the other, as some discussants would have it.   (For example, some
immunizations may well be more effective and safer than others, and as
for the mercury, it absolutely does NOT have to be used as a preservative
if smaller doses were prepared.   That the stuff stays in is a damning
indictment of the profit motive, but not necessarily of the immunizations
themselves.)

The issue that seems to trouble one member the most is the idea of
government control and the use of violence to enforce some social action.
I think this issue troubles a good number of people in the government
before, and I've heard discussions about what would be done in various
hypothetical cases.  Here's one:  a boarding school full of kids has to
be quarantined because one or more of them suddenly develops   something
like Ebola.   As soon as quarantine is declared, hordes of parents, some
armed, descend on the school determined to get their kids out, and to
hell with anyone else, the authorities included.

In such a scenario, how would one respond?   I'd say the everyone in the
boarding school would have to be quarantined and that the angry parents
would have to be disarmed.   I imagine others would say otherwise.
Other very tough calls involve efforts to stop fetal alcohol syndrome by
imprisoning irremediably alcoholic mothers during pregnancy.It would
be interesting to hear some reasoned opinions about the broader issue of
control.

As for the hypothetical question below, I think the problem may be that
immunizations are not 100% effective for everyone over all of a lifetime,
and even advocates admit that.   The game plan is to keep infectivity
low, I think.   I'm no expert.





On Thursday, Oct 18, 2007, at 13:15 Asia/Tokyo, Simon Jester wrote:


I repeat my question...

If you believe vaccinations work, and you are vaccinated, WHY ARE YOU
AFRAID OF THE UNVACCINATED?


Sometimes the greater good for society is bitter medicine, pun
intended.


Sounds familiar - like something Hitler or Stalin would have said...



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Re: CS>Hillary/medicine

[Simon Jester]

On 10/18/2007, Sandee George (oha...@juno.com) wrote:

Hi There Mike please do not defile the wonderful animal called a horse
!   grin !!!


Ha! I agree, that was really low... horses deserve much better...


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Re: CS>Re: What is in Vicks?

[faith gagne]

That's great Dee.  I'm glad to know it really does work.

Faith
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dee 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 4:15 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Re: What is in Vicks?


Just to let you know it worked a treat Faith!  Thanks for the info I am 
going to pass it on.  Dee 

---Original Message---

From: faith gagne
Date: 10/18/07 15:00:50
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Re: What is in Vicks?

Just received this by email:

This really works!!

VICKS VAPORUB...TRY IT, IT WORKS

I wish I'd known this when my family was young during winter colds and
coughs.  
  
   

Re: CS>CS & immune system

[Dee]

I have never heard this before Dianne, and actually, I think it is the
opposite.  CS encourages the immune system I believe.  You can take it
anytime as well. I have just cotracted the 'flue from my daughter who just
had the 'flu jab (!) and I have used about three bottles of it; sipping at
first every ten minutes or so. Dee 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Dianne France
Date: 19/10/2007 13:00:20
To: silver-list
Subject: CS>CS & immune system
 
I was on another site for pets and it was posted that CS could interfere
with the immune system.  Here is a portion of the quote:  I recently asked a
well known pharmaceutical and nutritional biochemist about colloidal silver.
He expressed caution because colloidal silver can actually suppress the
immune system. 
 
Since we are using CS/EIS I wanted to check with those that have more
experience than we do to see if this if factual.  It also bring up a
question I have about taking CS with food.  Should you stagger taking CS to
take on an empty stomach?  Does it effect digestion?
 
Dianne
 

Re: CS>WorstPills.org -

[Paula Perry]

Hi Nancy,
Sorry to hear of all your family experiences with bad medicine. Hopefully
your mom can improve. There are a lot of products our there that improve
memory. I know Fish Oil is one of them. I was on Synthroid for many years
and finally got off it and I feel so much better.
Take care,
Paula
- Original Message - 
From: "Tad Winiecki" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: CS>WorstPills.org -


Thanks, Paula, I had a problem because I clicked on a link in the
beginning.My father had Parkinson's and tried an unapproved drug I
think from Europe that I believe was Elavil.  He started having
delusions and hallucinations that lasted the rest of his life.  He
would see little green men with strange communication devices and call
the military, the police, etc.  He would get angry when other people
couldn't see them too.  He made life miserable for my mom.  He couldn't
remember who she was and would call the police and say a strange woman
was at his house.

Right after he died my mother was having terrible diarrhea problems.
My doctor sister was there for the funeral and wanted her to go right
in for a Barium enema GI scan.  I asked if she had started any new
medications and she had just been given a new prescription for an
arthritis medicine.  I looked at the side effects list and one was
uncontrollable diarrhea.  She stopped the medicine and the diarrhea
ended.  I could not believe my dr sister would not even consider this
possibility.

Later my mother was visiting another sister in NYC and took OTC cough
medicine with the since much publicized ingredient that causes strokes.
  She suffered a stroke and my dr. sister insisted she come to Texas to
let her help her.  She put her on a number of nasty meds one of which
is Imiodarone which is spoken of on the Worst Pills site, and another
also nasty one I don't remember which causes short term memory loss,
confusion and anxiety.  These treat atrial fibrillation.  My mom is
turning 90 this month but can't remember more than the past 5 minutes.
Talk about living in the present.  She can't even really carry on a
conversation of any duration, she will start repeating the whole thing.
  We had a reunion of all sibs, of course in short order she can't
remember it even occurred.

And my dr sister can't understand my prejudice against dr's.  I'm
grateful for this list and other alternative lists that provide real
answers and help.

Nancy

On Oct 17, 2007, at 5:58 AM, Paula Perry wrote:

> This is for Kurt and anyone else that wants to look at it.
> It is about drug induced illness. It explains what type of drugs can
> induce Parkinson's and also other diseases.
> A good primer on what NOT to take! Anyone taking perscription drugs
> might want to check this out. Could be your drugs are causing a worse
> problem than what you started with.
> Paula
>
>
> http://www.worstpills.org/public/page.cfm?op_id=5

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CS>CS & immune system

[Dianne France]

I was on another site for pets and it was posted that CS could interfere with 
the immune system.  Here is a portion of the quote:  I recently asked a well 
known pharmaceutical and nutritional biochemist about colloidal silver. He 
expressed caution because colloidal silver can actually suppress the immune 
system. 

Since we are using CS/EIS I wanted to check with those that have more 
experience than we do to see if this if factual.  It also bring up a question I 
have about taking CS with food.  Should you stagger taking CS to take on an 
empty stomach?  Does it effect digestion?

Dianne

Re: CS>WorstPills.org -

[Dee]

Hi Nancy, can you tell me the name of the pills for atrial fibrillation as
someone I know is on these.  Thanks, Dee 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Tad Winiecki
Date: 19/10/2007 00:13:56
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>WorstPills.org -
 

is Imiodarone which is spoken of on the Worst Pills site, and another
also nasty one I don't remember which causes short term memory loss,
confusion and anxiety.  These treat atrial fibrillation.  My mom is
turning 90 this month but can't remember more than the past 5 minutes.

Re: CS>Salt therapy

[Dee]

Hi John, thanks for your info in this post.  I think someone else said
something similar way back about this, concerning short blasts of exercise
being beneficial to breathing and the whole system in general.  I do have a
hereditary weak chest inherited from my father, and although in good health
generally, if I get (rarely) 'flu, then it does go straight to the weak spot
  I seem unable to cough as well, so the bit you said about the muscles etc.
 would seem to apply there.  However, I have bought a salt pipe and already
am seeing a difference where I can actually cough now and the deep pain in
my back has gone, so am going to keep this up.  I will also do exercises as
you suggest.  Thank you.  Dee 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: John Plumridge
Date: 10/19/07 03:12:43
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Salt therapy
 
These symptoms of the chest are not confined in their relation to the inner
lings of the chest, as regards infections. They may also be , and often are
when chronic, due to the chest muscles, their blood and nerve supply, the
myofarcal membrane. THese are both postural flexor muscles involved with
breathing. They also affect the mucosal lining in that their exercise helps
to maintain loosening and renewal.
 
Exercise is the remedy, and yoga is about the most specialised, though
other exercises have much in common.
 

CS>ATTENTION: From the list owner...

[M. G. Devour]

Mark Siepak wrote:
> Sick Bastard, if I may re-use a term

No, Mark, you may not.

> No more, this is OT, and your ideas and morals are so corrupt you are
> not worth my time. 

This is a personal attack.

Take this as a warning to MARK and ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO USE THIS 
LIST TO VENT THEIR ANIMOSITY TOWARD ANOTHER LIST MEMBER!!

PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE WRONG, AND NOT ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR!

If you cannot disagree with the content of a persons ideas without 
attacking the person, you do not belong here. If it's just your "style" 
then take it elsewhere.

CLEAR!!?

I will start removing people who do not choose to play nice with 
others. I will restore some semblance of civility to this COMMUNITY 
even if it means there's nobody left after the offenders are gone...

Re-read your posts before sending them, folks! You'd better learn to 
recognize when you're falling into this trap. Some of you don't yet 
realize when you're doing it.

Mike Devour
Silver List Owner

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CS>Doctors...[Carol] - Kurt

[Dee]

There's another point here which I don't think has been covered yet.  This
is that patients can be their own worst enemies. i.e. When the doctor says
nothing can be done for their cold etc., they insist on anti-biotics or
something that they can take home with them!  Our doctor has told us this. 
Also my friends husband was sooo put out because they wouldn't prescribe
statins for him as he is on heart medication.  He also was put out because
he couldn't have the pneumonia jab and had to be content with just the 'flu
jab (!)  some people insist on being (mis)treated!  Dee 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: John Plumridge
Date: 19/10/2007 03:39:34
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Doctors...[Carol] - Kurt
 
All true Carol Ann, and nicely put. But anger is the natural emotion felt
at perceived injustice. Deception is an example. and the anger has an
object, though maybe fuzzy. It shouldn' t be all doctors,  and is also a
system of political corruption. But that seems almost like all doctors.
We do bring our children up with some sense of understanding that people
have different roles, and in that we put trust if possible. With medicine
it may be that we are not necessarily lied to, and doctors aren't
researchers, merely robots. The problems are immense, but there is plenty
of evidence from doctors themselves.
 

Re: CS>Doctors...

[Dee]

Very good post John.  Dee 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: John Plumridge
Date: 19/10/2007 02:20:17
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Doctors...
 
OK, if they know they are lying, but consider that there are many ailments
that don't amount to a diagnosis of some syndrome or known pathology. ALso,
in the early stages, depending how a patient presents themsleves, and with
no clear indications, why fear the worst, when things do spontaneously
improve - or should do. Like, I somethimes don't feel 100%. But as I never
go to the doctor for anything, unless I need surgery to remove a bullet or
something, or to witness my concussion after slipping on a supermarket
floor (ho ho), I say to myself, look here somehting is wrong, you are
pushing yourself and living unhealthily. LIke I rest before I get bad flu,
and go for a walk in the fresh air if I've been too sedentary.
 

Re: CS>Re: Doctors...

[Mark Siepak]

millions of dead bodies will create secondary waves of infection,
scavengers, predators, etc.

can you remember the bubonic plague? millions died, and not all from
plague!


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Re: CS>Re: Doctors...

[Mark Siepak]

It is


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Re: CS>Re: What is in Vicks?

[Dee]

Just to let you know it worked a treat Faith!  Thanks for the info I am
going to pass it on.  Dee 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: faith gagne
Date: 10/18/07 15:00:50
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Re: What is in Vicks?
 
Just received this by email:
 
This really works!!
 
VICKS VAPORUB...TRY IT, IT WORKS
 
I wish I'd known this when my family was young during winter colds and
coughs. 

Re: CS>Re: Doctors...

[Mark Siepak]

Sorry, Mark, your Rights stop Sorry, Mark, your Rights stop WHERE MINE
START.


So you cannot see the obverse, yours stop WHERE MINE START.


Gee - if you ever get your way, I sure hope those 10,000 will stop by
some day and thank you for being so generous with their lives.


Hopefully the millions you would allow to die would perform the same
duty.



It
couldn't possibly be the years of fast food, drugs, cokes, microwaved
food, etc, etc ad nauseum...


Babies die from all the communcable diseases. Explain that, but not to
me.

End of discussion.

Go OT


or relate it back to CS/EIS





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Re: CS>Re: Doctors...

[Mark Siepak]

Never sent you anything personally


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Re: CS>Re: Doctors...

[Mark Siepak]

>You haven't answered the important question, if you are vaccinated,
what
>are you afraid of?

There was no question asked, but to answer anyway

Burying the bodies of stupid people, and the resultant waves of disease
and pest overpopulation that cannot be vaccinated against.

Can you say bubonic plague?

the mark of civilization is the way it treats its' young, feeble, and
aged. You would let everyone die but the fit, healthy, lucky ones.


Sick Bastard, if I may re-use a term

No more, this is OT, and your ideas and morals are so corrupt you are
not worth my time.


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