Re: seamonkey obsolete?
Miles Fidelman wrote: EE wrote: Bill DeCoster wrote: I find myself needing to use IE other programs more and more because of issues with it. What's the point if nothing works? It might help if you explained what the problem is. I am not having problems with SeaMonkey. Well, speaking personally: - an awful lot of web pages take forever to load, and a slow page load freezes the entire program - I have to force quit the browser at least 1 or 2 times a day, and look at pages in something else Not my experience, despite me having a rather large number of extensions, and I also *know* my profile is not 100% clean and pure -- I identified 2 or 3 issues that don't occur in a clean profile (one of them being that I was unable to use newsgroups in the main profile without SM crashing). If there were a systemic instability, I think I would have noticed it, since my main profile is already pretty fragile. - features seem to break from release to release (security exceptions for IMAP servers w/ private certificates, sync seems to have stopped working of late - to name just two) It's not so much broken than Firefox changed them in the shared code and reimplementing them in SM in the new way is a lot of work. Take Sync: when old-style Sync was replaced by Sync2 (the one that requires a Firefox ID), the Firefox team removed the code from Gecko that allowed one to create/join a sync, but they kept the syncing co. So in order to establish a sync you have to temporarily downgrade to SM 2.25. After the sync is established, you can upgrade to the current version and it keeps working. I haven't been active in the group over the last few months (that profile problem I mentioned above), so I have no idea how is going the work to solve the situation. MCBastos ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Meanwhile, on the good news part of the news...
Thunderbird development (which reflects on Seamonkey), which has been sort of stalled for a while, seems to be reenergized. Look at this: https://blog.mozilla.org/thunderbird/2014/11/thunderbird-reorganizes-at-2014-toronto-summit/ Among other things, there's now a roadmap for Thunderbird 38 (due next year): https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/Thunderbird38 which includes several worthy goals, such as support for large mailboxes, finalizing maildir, support for OAuth in Gmail and such. I expect that the Seamonkey devs will keep an eye on developments there so they can bring some of these things to our side. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my HP 12C. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: blip.tv's videos don't show in SM v2.26.1?
On 14/11/2014 03:57, Daniel wrote: But, MCBasto, surely you are aware that some, here, are sticking with SM 2.26.1 because of other problems they are experiencing with later versions!?!? Sure, although personally, I haven't noticed such problems. But, the long and short of it is that if there WAS a bug in 2.26, it WON'T be fixed in 2.26. That version no longer receives patches. It's over. Finito. That ship has sailed. If newer versions don't present the bug, there's no point arguing about it. It's a FIXED bug. . Argue about whatever issues are keeping you from updating to the latest version. Whatever was the fix WON'T be backported to 2.26. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Burberry. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Trunk
On 14/11/2014 22:34, Ruediger Lahl wrote: Hallo SeaMonkey-Builders In June, the Tinderbox-SeaMonkey-Trunk-Builds went offline. Is their any chance, to get them back online in the nearer feature? That's probably because Tinderbox has been retired by Mozilla and replaced by more modern tools. I'm not really familiar with all the ins and outs of the build process, but there should be another way to get trunk builds. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Xerox Star. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM Crashes when using StreetView inside GoogleMaps
On 14/11/2014 22:37, David E. Ross wrote: On 11/13/2014 8:07 AM, Ray_Net wrote: This is the second occurrence: bp-ced0a98a-fbae-4da7-974e-8554d2141113 The first was: bp-5e2bebbb-695b-49e4-96f4-bb2da2141105 Both of them points to bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759749 With the Status: RESOLVED FIXED But not for me :-) It's not resolved nor fixed. What can i do to get the correction ? Because reading the text of the bug 759749 is incomprehensible/abstruse for me. I give up! How do you get street view while viewing a Google map? Just drag the little yellow man icon (on the right bottom of the screen, beside the gear icon on the new view, and on top of the zoom slider on classic view) to the spot where you want to see the street view. By the way, Street View works fine in my Seamonkey 2.30. My four-year-old system is hardly cutting edge -- Windows 7 SP1 running on a Phenom II CPU, 4 Gb RAM and Radeon HD 5570 video board -- but I keep it updated, including video drivers. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Smith-Corona. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: blip.tv's videos don't show in SM v2.26.1?
On 12/11/2014 04:47, Ant wrote: But it works in v2.30. Is anyone else seeing this too or just me on my three different computers (Windows (XP Pro SP3 * 64-bit 7 EE SP1)) and 64-bit Debian stable? I also have the latest Flash players. Wait... you are saying that something doesn't work in the old version... but it works in the new version... Seems to me that either some necessary functionality has been added, or a bug has been fixed. My recommendation: upgrade to the version that works. The old version is *not* going to get fixed. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Casio wristwatch. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Customizing directory and files name protocols in Seamonkey mail
is a resource hog. I am not a programmer, but to the extent I have been able to hack Netscape in the manner I have, it strikes me as possible to hack SeaMonkey, which claims Netscape as its ancestor, perhaps simply by adding so coding in the Windows registry, but I clearly need assistance to do so, as I do not know where that code would need to be added or what that code might be. It should be possible to do what you want with Seamonkey (or Thunderbird for that matter, if you don't need/want the browser part), yes. But installing it in its own folder and moving the profile to its own folder demand a bit of tweaking. You might want to look instead into PortableApps' Seamonkey Portable and/or Thunderbird Portable. Those are slightly modified versions that don't link themselves into the operating system, so they can be stored in a flash drive and ran anywhere. They install into any folder you prefer, with the data files as a subfolder of it. But you would have to create the program shortcuts by hand, since by design these versions don't make *any* change to the operating system -- including listing themselves as installed programs. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my table at Ten Forward. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: an not log on to modem with sea monkey
On 10/11/2014 04:47, F Murtz wrote: If I wish to log on to modem(http://192.168.1.1)for instance, I have to use IE as seamonkey wont do it. It might be the modem's fault. I have seen routers that have crappy, badly-designed, non-standards-compliant Web interfaces that only work in some specific browsers. Not only cheapass ones, either -- I had a hard time with a Cisco SOHO router, until I figured out that it was incompatible with my browser. They eventually fixed the issue with a firmware update. And, by the way: some net appliances SEEM to work fine with most browers... but fail at the point of updating the firmware. If that happens to you, just try a different browser. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my U.S. Robotics Pilot 100. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Out of topic: the end of Eudora
I notice that eudora.com now redirects to qualcomm.com. It seems that they have given up even the appearance of interest in their former product. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my telegraph office. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SSL 3.0 - Dump ?
On 04/11/2014 21:11, DoctorBill wrote: I teach at a local Com College and access their E-Mail web site. They said something called POODLE has appeared and tell me to disable SSL 3.0. Being a complete nerd concerning my SM 2.12.1 Browser, I am wondering if this would cause me problems in the future. Wikipedia says SSL 3.0 is obsolete () and TSL 1.0 is the new thing. All that means squat to me, so I am asking for some meager enlightenment. If I disable SSL 3.0 will bad things happen to me? ...and yes...I knowupdate my SM to 2.29.1 which I loath to do (2.12.1 seems to work fine). TSL 1.0 is only the new thing if you define new as in not yet eligible to vote if it was a human being. TLS 1.0 is almost sixteen years old. What the POODLE thing means is that someone figured out a basic weakness in the SSL 3.0 protocol. Note that this is NOT a fault in Mozilla's, Apache's or anyone else's implementation; it's a fault in the design of the protocol itself. It's not going to get fixed, because fixing it involves changing the protocol -- and that's not necessary, because TLS (which is essentially an evolution of SSL) is already widely deployed. In fact, you have probably been using it for years -- your browser negotiates with the server the most advanced encryption protocol both of them support, and that almost always means at least TLS 1.0 (and fairly often, TLS 1.1 or 1.2) The reason it becomes necessary to disable SSL is because part of the attack involves deceiving your browser into downgrading the connection to SSL 3.0 instead of using TLS. The way to prevent it is to refuse using SSL 3.0 altogether. For most people, disabling SSL 3.0 won't cause any problems, because just about all servers support TLS. Except if you need to access some sort of intranet server, that is. Many intranet servers haven't been updated since they were first deployed, and may be running on very old versions of IIS that don't have TLS enabled by default. But those old servers usually don't work well with modern browsers anyway. Anyway, the easy and painless way to disable SSL 3.0 (recommended by the Mozilla organization, by the way) is to install the SSL Version Control add-on: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ssl-version-control/ Note that the page link is greyed out because the page is meant for Firefox users, but you can install it on Seamonkey regardless -- just click on the greyed-out button and then click on download anyway. It works fine on Seamonkey. Just use it to set minimum SSL version to TLS 1.0. Future versions of Firefox (and, I presume, Seamonkey) will have SSL 3.0 disabled by default. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Philips Pronto. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Imap requesting password
On 15/09/2014 00:51, Eric wrote: Hello all, I had an issue with Seamonkey 2.29 concerning not getting mail. Fortunately, when I disabled the remember password ext/plug (don't remember which it was and not important I hope), this took care of the problem. However, now I have to enter my email password every time I open Seamonkey to access the IMAP email, and it doesn't ask me to remember the password. Pop still works fine, no password request, remembers password fine. Is it possible that because it is accessing the same account on the same machine, that there is a conflict? Just in case you are wondering, I tried accessing the same email with IMAP because of the a fore mentioned Remember Password. Any ideas what is happening? No, but I have a suggestion: Go to Password Manager / Data Manager and delete the saved passwords for the affected IMAP servers. Then try connecting again (it might be necessary to restart SM) to see if SM offers to save the password. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Commodore VIC-20. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.29 no Flash plugin
On 15/09/2014 08:08, Mr. Ed wrote: Interesting note on that page: Flash Player 11.2 is the *last* supported Flash Player version for Linux OS. That's because Flash is its way out and Adobe knows it. iOS never allowed it, then they dropped support on Android, then Linux and Solaris... it's just a matter of time until OSX and Windows are dropped too. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my walkie-talkie. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Images in SeaMonkey makes images always too big.
Interviewed by CNN on 21/08/2014 08:30, Daniel told the world: Does anyone know how well MS Word might compose an HTML file, or, to put it another way, how clean is a HTML file written in MS Word?? Not very much. It's ridiculously verbose, it doesn't use styles efficiently, it uses lots of presentational tags and styles, it doesn't even manage to be consistent in the way it applies all the presentational crap... and if you save as web page instead of web page, filtered it manages to be even WORSE, spreading all sorts of proprietary crap around. But recent versions at least commit relatively few validation errors. Making a page generated by Word 2003 validate was a job to be done only by fully certified masochists. And, by the way... the other tool mentioned was FrontPage. Which even Microsoft gave up on -- it was discontinued about eight years ago, and even back then it was widely considered to produce terrible code. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my IBM PCjr. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Images in SeaMonkey makes images always too big.
Interviewed by CNN on 18/08/2014 22:21, Ed Mullen told the world: Scaling an inmage via HTML is horrid practice. The image file still needs to be downloaded in its full size, wasting bandwidth. The proper practice is to use an image program to re-size the original to an appropriate Web size. For instance, an original image of 2592 x 1944 and 1.24 Mb can be reduced to something like 800 x 500 and 118 Kb. A much more manageable Web scenario. If you use the HTML of: img src=pic.jpg style=width: 800px; height: 500px; alt=bob and pic.jpg is actually 2592 x 1944 and 1.24 Mb, that is what the server sends. Re-scale it using something like IrfanView. It's free. Some people are still on slower connections with data caps. I'm not but that doesn't mean I ignore that fact for people who visit my sites. I scale my photos/images accordingly. It's a matter of tradeoffs. Of course, if you are going to make a thumbnail gallery of high-resolution, high-quality photos, there's no question that creating the thumbnails as separate, tiny files is the better route -- particularly because it's likely that the visitor will only want to see the full-size version of a few of those images. On the more extreme examples, the gains can be huge -- like saving 99% on the downloads. OTOH, if there are few images, the original image is not that much larger than the reduced-size one, an you want to make the full-size one available to the visitor, using HTML resizing can even give the visitor a net gain by not downloading two different versions of the same image. It also allows you to dynamically resize the image to the viewport. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Intellivision. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Release Delay(s)
Interviewed by CNN on 21/07/2014 01:28, Justin Wood (Callek) told the world: For the record, I couldn't have said this better myself. (I probably have attempted to many times in the past though) Thank you MCBastos. I'm happy to give what little help I'm able to contribute. Feel free to quote, cut, paste, adapt, modify and reuse my previous message if it saves you time when communicating with the userbase, Callek. In fact, if there is any list of wanted FAQ topics in need to be tackled, just point me to the relevant places to contribute. I'm not much of a coder, but I'm told that I'm a reasonably good writer. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my corner mailbox. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Release Delay(s)
Interviewed by CNN on 17/07/2014 16:18, hawker told the world: Why does SM have to stay on such a fast release schedule? What was wrong with the slower schedule of yesteryear? Just because FF and TB do it does SM need to as well? Sorta. The Firefox people are the ones responsible for Gecko, which is the engine that powers Seamonkey as well. Every six weeks a new Gecko version is released with bug fixes, security fixes and small feature increments. The important thing to keep in mind is that the previous version is immediately _dropped_. No support at all. No bug fixes. No security fixes. Well, there is an exception to that: they keep supporting _one_ older version, for roughly _one_ year. That's for the Firefox Extended Support Release (ESR). Right now that would be Firefox 24 ESR. This Gecko version receives mostly security and stability fixes, and few if any other sorts of fixes. One might think: OK, the why don't they use the ESR version of Gecko and update at a more leisurely pace? That's what the Thunderbird guys are doing, after all. Here's the thing: by doing that, the SM team would have to deal all at once with whatever issues that could have been spread over eight upgrade cycles or so and dealt with piecemeal. Which means a far larger chance for disastrous issues. (This is not as much of a problem for Thunderbird because, well, T-bird only deals with plaintext and HTML e-mail, which evolves far slower than Web HTML. It doesn't even attempt to process Javascript, for instance -- it just ignores it.) Also, let's say for the sake of argument that some new code in Gecko 25 caused problems in SM but the issue went unreported and ignored because SM stuck with Gecko 24 for one year. By the time the issue surfaces (around Gecko 32 or thereabouts), the fix can become much harder, because by then the Firefox team has added four our five more things that can be broken because they depend on how the Gecko-25 code behaves. So now instead of one bug to fix, you have maybe half a dozen. Simply stated, the dev team _has_ to keep up. They have to keep testing the Seamonkey code with each new release, identify issues and either fix them in SM code or report the issue to the Gecko team. Going to the trouble of making sure that SM works with Gecko, say, 31 (to be released next week) and not giving the users the benefits of the security fixes in Gecko 31 would be sorta irresponsible. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Franklin Translator. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User-agent line not appearing in email
Interviewed by CNN on 10/07/2014 10:23, NFN Smith told the world: I'm not sure if lack of updates indicates lack of interest on the part of the developer, or simply that it works well enough that updates aren't needed. Maybe not updates to the engine, but the user-agent database is likely to need regular updates. The latest XPI is from July 17 2012; since then, there have been some changes on the world of e-mail clients and web services... Just to stay with the most visible example, *Hotmail* has been rebranded as Outlook.com. But DisplayMUA still identifies e-mail coming from the Microsoft services as MSN, with the multicolor butterfly icon. I mean, MSN? Really? I understand it being hard to tell apart the different Microsoft services (especially because I couldn't figure out any helpful line in the header -- DisplayMUA probably uses some heuristics to figure it out), but the choice of which of them (MSN/Hotmail/Live.com -- Outlook.com didn't even exist back then) leaves something to be desired. I remember submitting an update right before that latest XPI came out; my submission didn't make it. So I assume it's still sitting in a queue. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my VT-100. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: User-agent line not appearing in email
Interviewed by CNN on 07/07/2014 16:51, EE told the world: I set mailnews.headers.showUserAgent to true, but the user-agent line appears only in the headers for newsgroup messages, not for emails. Why is that? The mailnews setting prefix should apply to both, not just to news. It is not an extension causing the problem, since it occurs in safe mode as well as normal mode. Is there any way to get the sender's user-agent to appear in emails? Only marginally related to the above issue (although some of the people involved might like it)... Is the Display Mail User Agent extension still supported? The last update (1.6.9) is almost two years old; it still works, but it's a long time with no updates... -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my wrist radio. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Visual annoyances after updating to SM 2.26.1
Interviewed by CNN on 30/06/2014 13:38, Richard Owlett told the world: WaltS48 wrote: The signature block has always been lighter than the message body when viewing posted messages. Evidently not for Windows XP users. I notice your User Agent says Linux. Uh, no, I used XP for years and it was lighter there too. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Xerox Star. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Problem Retrieving Mail from pop server
Interviewed by CNN on 15/06/2014 16:04, GerardJan told the world: I use *imap* for incoing mail and *POP* for smtp imap and pop: /imap.gmail.com/ and /smtp.googlemail.com/ for outgoing mail via port 587, works like a champ No, I don't think you do. POP is *just* for receiving e-mail; sending is always done via SMTP, doesn't matter if you use POP or IMAP. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Etch-a-Sketch. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.26 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can Seamonkey bookmarks be used on Android?
Interviewed by CNN on 12/06/2014 13:34, Adrian Kalla told the world: W dniu 06/11/2014 o 03:43 PM, BIll Spikowski pisze: Is there any way that I could export Seamonkey bookmarks and use them on an Android tablet? If it is about exporting/syncing it to Firefox on Android: just set up SeaMonkey Sync on SeaMonkey - and set up the Legacy-Mozilla-Sync on Android (called Firefox Sync (deprecated). It works for me that way - including the send tab feature :) A word of warning... I tried in the past to sync bookmarks between desktop Seamonkey/Firefox and Fennec (Android Firefox), and ran into a few problems -- apparently Fennec at that time did not fully support all the database structures that the desktop Places uses, and some stuff got messed up. Not REALLY serious if you have just a few bookmarks, but I have a few THOUSAND ones, spread over dozens of folders, and they kept going to the wrong places. I eventually gave up on it.. I HOPE the issue has been since fixed, but I haven't tested it. So, just to be on the safe side, I advise backing up the Places database before attempting sync with Firefox for Android. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Starfleet Commbadge. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.26 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: automatic update
Interviewed by CNN on 05/06/2014 13:55, o...@gmx.de told the world: I am new here. Today Seamonkey did erase one time more my actual Seamonkey version through the automatic update. And I am sad about it! I am very surprised to have to login at google to discuss with Mozilla people as I, myself, avoid Google as far as possible because of the globalisation of all informations jobs on the world with google as bigest actor. It is the main reason with I use Mozilla and not Chrome! But, ok, Mozilla has no filling about this reallity. Back to my problem with Mozilla. I install a specific version of Mozilla because I have all Mozilla's extensions for this release of Seamonkey, and immediately after start Seamonkey actualize itself and break so my effort to work with it! It is completely silly dilly!!! Why give Seamonkey us the right to download and install old version if Seamonkey implements in them default settings which demolish your choice and work without to ask you if it is really good so? Default behavior is the only generally assumed to be best for the widest set of users and circumstances. People who need particular, non-standard setups should be prepared to have to modify settings. So, in order: Q: Why is auto-update on by default? A: Because a large percentage of users don't know how or don't want to bother with updating the program to the latest release. Automating the process ensures that they have the latest version soon after its release, without the user needing to call tech-support-nephew or something similar. Q: Why should we push them to update then anyway? A: Because, generally speaking, updating is good. Security holes are patched, new functionality is activated, other bugs are fixed and such. Q: But I want to use old version X, because... A: Well, that's you, not most users. Keep in mind that old version X is no longer supported, and any problems you run into with it will only be fixed (if still relevant) in future releases. You are almost certainly using a version with known security problems, and very probably known HTML-rendering problems which have since been fixed in more recent builds. Using old versions is strongly discouraged. Q: So why are old versions still available, if you don't want people to use them? A: They are useful for testing. Sometimes an obscure bug will only be discovered/described long after the code that introduced the bug was checked into the code repository. Testing old versions to see if they also exhibit the same incorrect behavior will help to close on the problem. Mozilla and Seamonkey are open projects that depend heavily on community participation, so it would make no sense to keep this investigation resource from the community. And anyway, since Seamonkey is free/libre/open source, it would be impossible to _keep_ people from making old versions available somewhere else. The problem is, can you _trust_ those alternative repositories (which often have glaring holes in their listings)? So it's better to offer an official, canonical, complete repository of guaranteed-virus-free copies of those old versions. Q:But I want my old extensions, and they aren't compatible with SM 2.26! A:Check with the community. Many people have run into the problem of extension author is not updating it to newer versions of Seamonkey anymore. In most cases, people will be able to suggest a workaround (so you can use the old extension in newer Seamonkey releases) or an alternative extension with similar functionality. Most extensions that worked with SM 2.0 (and many that worked with SM 1.x or Mozilla Suite) will still work with current releases; it's just a matter of getting around the compatibility check blockage. There's also ways to enable extensions officially available only for Firefox or Thunderbird in Seamonkey -- they don't work always, but they work often enough. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Philco Predicta. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.26 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Little problem with SM on this site
Interviewed by CNN on 03/06/2014 06:28, Ray_Net told the world: No ...But i have been told that the code of the SeaMonkey browser is the code of the FireFox browser so the results must be the same ? non ? FireFox is OK SeaMonkey NOT :-) The code is the same, but the user-agent string the browser identifies itself to the site is different. The site probably uses some brain-dead, obsolete browser-sniffing script that doesn't know how to properly handle Seamonkey. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Multivac. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.26 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Problem viewing translated website using translate.google.com
Interviewed by CNN on 31/05/2014 14:33, n1m...@gmail.com told the world: On Saturday, May 31, 2014 7:25:59 PM UTC+2, WaltS48 wrote: What doesn't? Are you replying to a post without quoting? Do you have a link to such a page, so someone can try it? It happens with ALL pages that aren't https, but german wiki is an example: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=autotl=enjs=yprev=_thl=enie=UTF-8u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGoogleedit-text=act=url It fails on IE too, although with a different error message complaining content is not allowed to be displayed in a frame. Changing to http allows it to work. But for some reason, it works on Opera 12.17 (which I keep around to test stuff in the Presto engine) and, not that surprisingly, in Iron (which is nearly identical to Chrome). -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Total Lack of Social Skills. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.26 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey futures...
Interviewed by CNN on 15/05/2014 11:56, A Williams told the world: rantI just can't get my head around a situation where the main language around has so many traps for the unwary (or wary) so that so much software is crawling with security holes. There were languages in development in the 70's which tried to make things safer, not all of them were academic exercises unsuitable for the real world./rant You may be interested in the Rust language being developed at Mozilla, then. From what I understand, it's designed with two goals: security (where C fails) and massive parallelism (where most languages fail). Mozilla is also writing a new experimental browser kernel -- in Rust. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Bugatti Veyron. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.26 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Interviewed by CNN on 15/05/2014 12:51, Philip Taylor told the world: In 1975/6, one of my 3rd-year undergraduates in Computer Science wrote a chess end-game solver; it ran in 8Kb. Is there a programmer alive today who could achieve the same in 8Mb, let alone 8Kb ? Oh, a few. Mostly people who like assembler. Like Steve Gibson. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my BeBox. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.26 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey futures...
Interviewed by CNN on 14/05/2014 10:49, David H. Durgee told the world: Hartmut Figge wrote: Ray_Net: Ant wrote, On 14/05/2014 10:50: http://sillydog.org/narchive/ still has the software, and the story. ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/ still lives! and you can install it and work with ? :-) Ehm, i admit that i am curious. A little bit. So i have tried the communicator 4.8 from the first link. Well, there was a missing lib on my OS. Further investigation would have been tedious. :-D Hartmut I suspect it could be done, if you were willing to install an operating system available at the time of release in virtualbox and track down any required supporting packages. Getting it to run in a current operating system is likely to be a much greater challenge. I also suspect that there would be problems with most web sites due to changes in HTML and other standards since the time of that browser. I did it once, for fun. Installed WFWG 3.11 in Virtual PC, with IE 5 and Netscape 4.07. Managed to even get the sound board working. Hit a few websites too, just to give whoever analyses the logs a WTF? moment. I still have the virtual disk... it's really small for current standards, just 150 Mb. Now you did it, I HAD to run it again. Crap... VPC NAT is not working. Will have to debug this one of these months. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Bat-Computer. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.26 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Wishlist of things I'd like to see
Interviewed by CNN on 14/05/2014 16:05, Rufus told the world: ...personally, I don't think SM is all that complex...it's not like it does 3D graphic presentations with interactive panning and rotation or anything math-intensive like that. Actually, math stuff is CPU-intensive but not necessarily intrinsically complex (although optimizations might add to it). Working with externally-generated data, OTOH, is VERY complex, because you have to deal with all the novel and creative ways people find to *fuck up*. Non-compliant HTML is just the tip of the iceberg. Then you have all the Javascript attacks. And let's not forget that Seamonkey is also a mail client... I remember seeing a whole series of blog postings explaining why email is a difficult animal to tame... where is it... oh yes, here: http://quetzalcoatal.blogspot.com.br/search/label/email-hard -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Blueberry. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.26 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey futures...
Interviewed by CNN on 11/05/2014 18:13, Ant told the world: On 5/10/2014 8:26 AM PT, A Williams typed: But will this be forever? Will SM always be using the same design forever? :P I certainly hope not. I'm happy with the way things are now, but forever is a long time. Circumstances do change, and I hope that when they change enough to require a new design, the dev team will be able to do the necessary modifications. Any project that is not willing to adjust to new circumstances is already dead. It just hasn't noticed it yet. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Xerox Star. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.26 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey futures...
Interviewed by CNN on 10/05/2014 11:49, Robert told the world: I've recently upgraded to FireFox v29, and I do not like the new dumbed-down user interface. I've looked at the screenshots of SeaMonkey and they look like FireFox used to look. Before I go through the motions of downloading, installing, and configuring SeaMonkey are my primary browser I have one question: Will FireFox 29's new look will find its way into SeaMonkey, or will SeaMonkey continue to allow its users to customize the UI? 1. The dev team has stated that they have no intention to overhaul the Seamonkey UI and move to an Australis-like UI. Simply stated, even if they wanted to do it (they apparently don't), it's too much work and they don't have the manpower, so they focus on other things. The only scenario I imagine where that could change is if changes in the engine engine remove functionality needed for Seamonkey's classical UI. I don't see it happening anytime soon in Gecko, but there's a theoretical risk of it happening a few years down the road, if the Servo project ever replaces Gecko as the main Mozilla browser engine. 2. Yes, as long as the UI remains the same, the customizability should stay the same. But there's a price to pay there. As Seamonkey and Firefox grow apart, I expect that extensions might need more tweaks to work correctly in both. Some extension authors may stop supporting Seamonkey after a while. As for Australis... I use both Seamonkey and Firefox, and also a bit of Iron, in my day-to-day browsing. So far, I haven't noticed any lost functionality in Firefox 29 -- anything I can do in SM, I can do just as easily in FF (well, except mail/news stuff. I don't use Composer at all). Yes, stuff got moved around, but I found that I don't really miss the UI elements that got removed -- I have been using right-click menus as a first choice for almost twenty years, so I don't miss the File menu for instance. I can't say that I'm particularly enthusiastic of the new design, but neither do I hate it. It took me all of two minutes to learn the new UI's logic, which is way less than it takes me to learn the UI for the average casual game. I simply don't have the knee-jerk rejection to change that I seem to see a lot going around. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Palantír. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.26 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: google / amazon
Interviewed by CNN on 28/04/2014 23:29, rjkrjk told the world: using the current version of SM (2.25) with P4 3.0Ghz 2Gb win xp sp3 when using google to find anything. here's what happens, not only with 2,.25 but previous versions as well, not that I think it's a SM problem. 1. google search page... enter information 2. results displayed on google 3. click on a site for the item/info I need on Amazon.com 4. click back ( should go back to #2) but no 5. goes back to #1.. without any previous info entered, a blank google search page seems to ONLY happen when accessing amazon anyone else have this situation, or understand why it may be happening Weird. It worked fine for me: 1. Google for book title. 2. Google displays several results, including Wikipedia article for the book, Goodreads, the author's website and major online bookstores carrying the book. 3. Click on the link for the book on Amazon.com. Page with the book is displayed. 4. Click back. Goes to #2, as it should. I tested it both logged and unlogged on Amazon. I'm never logged on Google, perhaps it makes a difference? -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my HP 12C. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.25 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Outbox in Local Folders
Interviewed by CNN on 28/04/2014 11:09, G. Ross told the world: What is it for? Mine stays empty. It holds messages that you have written but haven't been sent yet. In most cases, the message will stay there only for one or two seconds before being sent (and therefore moved to sent messages). But, for instance, if you are working offline, they will stay there until such a time when you are able to send the messages. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my cave wall paintings. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.25 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Sync broken in 2.26 beta 1?
Interviewed by CNN on 10/04/2014 15:58, Byron Smith told the world: Absolutely cannot set up Sync in Seamonkey 2.26 beta 1. I have login credentials and recovery key. Could not pair a device to set up a new sync on Seamonkey. Also could not login using credentials and recovery key as Next button does nothing (and neither does the link about having lost a device). Could this because I switched over to the new sync profile in Firefox 29.0 beta? Probably. From what I understand, the new Sync system is quite different from the one heretofore being used. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my NeXT Cube. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.25 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts changing in E-mail?
Interviewed by CNN on 01/04/2014 23:23, Mort told the world: I get the same problem of changing fonts willy-nilly, but only when replying to someone's e-mail. When I compose an original e-mail, this never happens. Hmmm, a possible reason: maybe you _don't have_ the same font that was originally used to write the message. (You can check by looking at the source code of the original message). I didn't test this, but a reasonable hypothesis for what is happening would be: - Message asks for a font you dont't have (say, Helvetica, which is rarely available on Windows or Linux but not uncommon in Macs) - Netscape displays message using a substitute font (like, for instance, Arial) -- there are font substitution tables to handle common cases like this, replacing fonts with roughly similar ones. - You open message for replying. E-mail HTML editor can't find the original font. - HTML editor falls back to _your default_ font, which may be different from the substitute font it used for display. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Babcom. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.25 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Picture Save As goes to a specific file place.
Interviewed by CNN on 31/03/2014 14:09, DoctorBill told the world: I put the Default File as 'Downloads' - but then I am given no way to change that.so I clicked always ask first and then it defaults to Downloads - BUT - leaves me the option of changing it ! The default behavior in recent versions of Seamonkey and Firefox is to remember the most recently used save location -- that is, it will show you the same folder you last used -- for _each website_. Personally, I like this feature (it allows me to save each webcomic I collect into its own folder without effort) but not everyone does. I remember there's a setting somewhere in about:config to disable this behavior... let me see... ...yes, the solution is described here: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/922886 -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Concorde. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.25 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Locate password
Interviewed by CNN on 25/03/2014 19:20, HilsB told the world: HilsB wrote: I have a friend and neighbour who was admitted to hospital as an emergency and will be there for some time. He has asked me to access his e-mails but he cannot remember his correct password. I realise this is a difficult and unusual request but can anyone help? I should have mentioned that it is the SeaMonkey password I'm looking for. I know the password for the Mac admin. Let's go one step at a time... - If you mean the Seamonkey master password, I don't think there is a workaround. However, your friend types that every single day in order to check his e-mail -- unless he's in a state of diminished mental capacity (stroke, concussion, heavy painkillers, whatever) he should be able to remember it. - However, if what you want is to extract the saved mail passwords from his Seamonkey so you can check his e-mail for him in a different computer, then it should be possible to look them up in the Seamonkey Data Manager. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Digitronix. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.25 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Locate password
Interviewed by CNN on 25/03/2014 23:14, Trane Francks told the world: One requires the master password to display saved passwords in the Data Manager. Yes, but I assumed that the master password would be remembered. In my experience, people can remember just fine passwords they use frequently, like the logon password at their work or their bank PINs. It's the passwords they DON'T use often (like email passwords, which the mail client saves) that are easy to forget. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my TurboGrafx16. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.25 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: OT: Mozilla Hires New CEO
Interviewed by CNN on 24/03/2014 18:21, SamuelS told the world: Just read this article from ZDNet, how, if at all, will this affect SM? Probably not much, if at all. 1. Seamonkey is not a Mozilla product. Yes, Mozilla lends some infrastructure resources to the Seamonkey team. But Seamonkey product decisions are outside the scope of the Mozilla CEO. It's barely possible that Mozilla might stop providing those resources to the SM team at some point in the future, but I don't see that happening any time soon. 2. Brendan Eich is not some outsider brought into Mozilla who doesn't get how things work. He's a very, very long-time Mozillian -- he was in Netscape since 1995, where he created Javascript; he was part of the team who originally spun off Mozilla from Netscape; and he has been CTO of Mozilla since 2005. All in all, he wasn't as much hired as CEO as promoted. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Smith-Corona. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.25 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.14
Interviewed by CNN on 22/03/2014 03:54, toby.sop...@gmail.com told the world: To the Developers, if any are listening. About two updates ago I started noticing SeaMonkey taking longer than previously to load and render the home page on start up. I also noticed that several web sites that I frequented took much longer to load and render a page. The final blow came after installing version 2.24. Not only did known good web sites take longer to load, but the e-mail client suffered snail pave in connecting to the mail server, and then downloading the messages. The first test was with IE; it was slow as usual, but not like SM. The second test was with FireFox and it is blazing fast. Third test was with Thunderbird and there is no hesitation in connecting to the mail server, downloading messages, or sending message through the authsmtp server. I now have both configured and running well. It had been a great ride following Netscape Communicator to Mozilla, and then into SeaMonkey, but the time has come to get off the dead horse and find a fresh colt. or two. Actually, it's not a fair comparison if you are comparing your old Seamonkey profile, which may be full of cruft accumulated over the years, not to mention several add-ons, with brand-new clean profiles in Firefox and Thunderbird. Do yourself a favor and redo the comparison using a *new*, *clean* profile for Seamonkey. You may still choose to stay with the separate apps (there's pro and cons to both approaches, and you may find that in your case the separate apps offer advantages) but at least you will be basing your decision on good data. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my IBM PC-XT. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.25 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mozilla is claiming Java outdated when it is the latest version
Interviewed by CNN on 22/03/2014 22:50, Desiree told the world: Mozilla's check your plugins page is claiming that Java 7 update 51 is outdated. This is on my XP Pro machine using the latest version of SeaMonkey. Java 8 is out only at Oracle's download page (not on java.com for several more weeks). Further, Oracle is NOT supporting Java 8 on XP computers. So, why do I get an erroneous message? On Windows 8 Pro computer, I get the same erroneous message for SeaMonkey 2.25 (and for Fx 24.4 ESR). I upgraded on Windows 8 computer to Java 8 and had to use system restore to get back to Java 7 update 51. Java 8 does not work with my Java speedtests. The only reason I have Java installed is for speed tests. Java 7 is being supported for at least another year by Oracle for security patches so there is no reason at all for Mozilla to claim Java 7 update 51 is outdated on either version of Windows. It's curious, yes. I don't follow the security bulletins very closely, but it's entirely possible that a new security issue (affecting Java 7 update 51 inclusive) has come to light recently. If this has in fact happened, Mozilla is right in listing J7u51 as vulnerable. But where the page fail is in suggesting there is an update when Oracle has not released one yet. The problem is that the plugincheck page apparently has only two states for known plugins -- up to date and vulnerable. It does not have the ability to list a plugin as vulnerable, no update available, best remedy is to disable the plugin. Perhaps it should. I wonder why it lists several fairly common plugins, such as Google Update, Google Talk Video Renderer and Microsoft Office as unknown. One would think that by now someone would have figured who is supplying those. Perhaps those plugins simply don't offer a convenient way to check versions -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my DEC PDP-11. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.25 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Would you like to send your unsent messages now?
Interviewed by CNN on 22/03/2014 00:07, Geoff Welsh told the world: Thanks, Hartmut. All these years and I'd never heard of send later but I looked around and there it is, under the File menu with a Compose window open. That must have been useful in dial-up days. Actually, I see it being more useful *now*. Nowadays it's quite common for people to have two different connections: cheap and fast (wired broadband) and slow and expensive (cellphone). If you have a message with a large attachment and you are on a slow 2G network, you might want to delay sending until you get a good connection, possibly on WiFi. Anyway... old trick to remove ridiculously large messages from the outbox: just disconnect from the Internet and wait for the timeout. As soon as the mail program detects you are offline, it will allow you to delete the message. (There was a time when about once a month some customer cried for help because they had attached an 80-Mb file to an e-mail, and they couldn't either send or delete it -- it was so big the SMTP server rejected it, and as soon as they opened the mail program, it kept trying to send the thing and locked the message. The record-holder tried to send some 40 ultra-high-resolution aerial photos at once... I think the message was around 170 Mb!) -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my shoephone. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.25 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: INBOX in IMAP mode Seamonkey 2.24
Interviewed by CNN on 15/03/2014 02:26, stan told the world: Is id possible to set an account INBOX as LOCAL in IMAP mode on Seamonkey 2.24?.. If yes, how. There is a choice in POP3 mode and when selected the account is not visible and messages are diverted into LOCAL INBOX. I don't think that's possible, either in Seamonkey or any other IMAP client. IMAP's whole concept is based on the real mail folders being the ones in your mailserver, and your client just keeping a local copy (not guaranteed to be complete) for caching, that is, for performance purposes -- if you want to open a message your mail program will first attempt to find a local copy, and if it fails will attempt to download it from the mailserver. That is, IMAP mail folders are *always* remote. What you can do is to set up a rule to move messages from the remote folders to your local Inbox -- but that sort of nullifies the benefits of working with IMAP in the first place. Some clients (like Thunderbird, but not Seamonkey) offer a blended view mode where you see messages from different inboxes in a single listing -- but the messages are not actually moved to the same folder, it's just the way the program presents the listing for the user. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my IBM System/360. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.24 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mail folders not turning bold
Interviewed by CNN on 14/03/2014 13:48, Ed Mullen told the world: When there is new unread mail in one of my IMAP mail folders the folder is supposed to turn bold to indicate that. Many time some of them don't which requires me to click on (numerous) folders to see if I'm missing anything. Very annoying. Anyone else seeing this? You may have your folder indexes corrupted. Try repairing the folder -- right-click on the folder, select properties and click on Repair this folder. What this feature does is to delete the folder index -- which Seamonkey will immediately recreate. Unfortunately, it will only repair one folder at a time. If the trick above helps you, but you have many (most?) folders exhibiting this anomalous behavior, you can do it wholesale (well, sort of): 1. CLOSE ALL INSTANCES OF SEAMONKEY (very important). 2. Locate your mail folder (usually %appdata%\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\(randomstring).default\ImapMail) 3. Delete all files with a msf file extension (or MSF file file type, if you have file extensions hidden as per the stupid Windows default), including the ones in the subfolders. DO NOT DELETE ANY OTHER FILE. 4. Open Seamonkey. 5. Click on each and every mail folder (so Seamonkey will detect the lack of a .MSF file and recreate it on the spot). -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my legal pad. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.24 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Long startup times for applications
Interviewed by CNN on 11/03/2014 12:43, Ray_Net told the world: cyberzen wrote, On 11/03/2014 09:01: Le 10/03/2014 02:14, Paul B. Gallagher a écrit : Arnie Goetchius wrote: I have been struggling with this issue for nearly a month. 1. It is only a problem on my XP SP3 machines which also have less memory and slower cpu. I have no problem on newer, faster machines running Win 7. http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/03/08/millions-of-computer-may-be-at-risk-of-attack-next-month/ Think about it. think about Linux If you like to be a geek :-) By the way, the Linux Foundation parnered with edx.org to make available for free an introductory Linux online course (normal price: US$ 2400.00). Details below: https://www.edx.org/course/linuxfoundationx/linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-introduction-1621 -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Franklin Translator. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.24 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: emails downloaded again and again in loop
Interviewed by CNN on 09/03/2014 14:12, Paul B. Gallagher told the world: I don't think all of this is you. I've noticed for some time that the down arrow doesn't disappear when I read the last unread message in a newsgroup, but it does if I navigate away from the group. Normally, the NG name is bolded with the unread message count in parentheses at the end, and if it's zero, the bolding and the count vanish. So it's weird to see an unbolded NG name with a down arrow. This may be related to a small annoyance I have seen from time to time -- namely, that despite me having read all the available new messages in a newsgroup (by going next unread message), the unread message count does not go down to zero. I think that somehow a message inside an ignored thread is mistakenly not set to read status. Right-clicking on the newsgroup and selecting mark newsgroup as read fixes the issue. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Filofax. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.24 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: emails downloaded again and again in loop
Interviewed by CNN on 08/03/2014 07:30, Gabriel told the world: Hi, with SM 2.25 (User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:28.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/28.0 SeaMonkey/2.25 Build identifier: 20140211201928) I have an annoying problem, it downloads every single message of every IMAP address each time I open the accounts. The same for the Newsgroups messages, and it also keeps showing unread threads even if there are no new messages. I already rebuilt the different folders. What can be wrong? Hmmm. Maybe you are running out of disk space? I have seen a MacBook Air with a fairly full SSD having a similar problem. Granted, it happened with Apple Mail, not Seamonkey, but still, it's something to check. Freeing up some space appeared to fix it. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my DEC PDP-11. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.24 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: password manager
Interviewed by CNN on 06/03/2014 23:09, William Brown told the world: Windows7, SM 2.24. I was happily memorizing usernames and passwords with SeaMonkey. I have F-Secure Internet Security. They sent me an email saying they had a new free product (F-Secure Key) that they said would store my passwords in encrypted form. I misread it to say that it would also store data (I've been looking for a way to store my credit card information securely) So I installed it. Alas, it only stores passwords and user names, and has some language problems (it kept requesting my bank password, I entered what I and my bank call my password, but it was rejected. Eventually, I realized they wanted my PIN, bur only after being locked out of my bank. Due to too many similar problems, I uninstalled F-Secure Key. I would suggest KeePass for storing your more critical passwords. It's free, GPL-licensed, uses strong crypto, is regularly maintained and has been around for years, so it's fairly well-tested too. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Amstrad PCW. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.24 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mozilla suite in The Social Network movie.
Interviewed by CNN on 05/03/2014 05:06, Exalm told the world: Ant пишет: I was watching The Social Network movie on a local ABC station (KABC's 7.1) tonight and saw old Mozilla's suite (modern theme) in Linux's KDE v3. See http://www.enricoros.com/blog/2010/09/kde-3-on-tsn-movie/ for a screen capture/shot. :D Umm, it looks like a weird MozSuite/Firefox hybrid. See the home button, lack of grippies, lack of Window menu, History instead of Go, favorite and go icons in the address bar etc. It's probably just an old version of Mozilla. Look at these screenshots of pre-1.0 Mozilla: none has a Window menu, which would appear only on version 1.0 (click on forward at the bottom of the screen). The pic is really small, so I'm not really sure about the grippies -- they might be there but just hard to see. And I think it was possible to disable them, too. As for the theme, it's consistent with the facelift Modern one introduced in 0.9.1. The Home button in the main toolbar is optional, then as it is now. http://www.andrewturnbull.net/mozilla/history2.html My guess is that it's a slightly customized version of Mozilla 0.9.1-0.9.9. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Casio wristwatch. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.24 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mozilla suite in The Social Network movie.
Interviewed by CNN on 05/03/2014 15:56, MCBastos told the world: Interviewed by CNN on 05/03/2014 05:06, Exalm told the world: Ant пишет: I was watching The Social Network movie on a local ABC station (KABC's 7.1) tonight and saw old Mozilla's suite (modern theme) in Linux's KDE v3. See http://www.enricoros.com/blog/2010/09/kde-3-on-tsn-movie/ for a screen capture/shot. :D Umm, it looks like a weird MozSuite/Firefox hybrid. See the home button, lack of grippies, lack of Window menu, History instead of Go, favorite and go icons in the address bar etc. It's probably just an old version of Mozilla. Look at these screenshots of pre-1.0 Mozilla: none has a Window menu, which would appear only on version 1.0 (click on forward at the bottom of the screen). The pic is really small, so I'm not really sure about the grippies -- they might be there but just hard to see. And I think it was possible to disable them, too. As for the theme, it's consistent with the facelift Modern one introduced in 0.9.1. The Home button in the main toolbar is optional, then as it is now. http://www.andrewturnbull.net/mozilla/history2.html My guess is that it's a slightly customized version of Mozilla 0.9.1-0.9.9. I'm retracting my prior assessment. The little icons in the address bar are really inconsistent with Mozilla, particularly pre-1.0 versions. Probably it would be just too much trouble for the production team to find age-accurate versions of Mozilla, so they resorted to one of the various old-style themes for Firefox and tweaked about:config so it would present a different name on the window title bar. I mean, I haven't seen the movie, but this would probablybe visible just for a few seconds, so pixel perfection is not really necessary, only the general look of it. Hollywood has been guilty of much worse, like Roman legionnaires wearing wristwatches... -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my IBM Deep Blue. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.24 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: composer question
Interviewed by CNN on 04/03/2014 07:27, Frank told the world:
How do I make a put in a non-tiling background image for a web page?
body {background-image:url('example.jpg;')
background-repeat:no;}
How do I fade the image (i.e. reduce it opacity) to make the text more
easily read?
http://demosthenes.info/blog/618/A-Quick-and-Simple-CSS-Only-Method-For-Fading-Background-Images
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Re: composer question
Interviewed by CNN on 04/03/2014 07:27, Frank told the world: How do I make a put in a non-tiling background image for a web page? A more sophisticated way: http://css-tricks.com/perfect-full-page-background-image/ -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Constitution Class Starship. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.24 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.23: text is too small, but correct in IE 8
Interviewed by CNN on 24/02/2014 23:46, flyguy told the world: MCBastos wrote, On 2/4/2014 7:37 PM: Interviewed by CNN on 05/02/2014 01:29, flyguy told the world: This website displays with suitable, readable text in IE8, but in SM 2.23, the text is much smaller (about half the height) and difficult to read. Is this caused by a setting I can change in SM? Or perhaps improper website coding (but then, why is IE8 doing a pretty good jog?). Which website? http://www.solar-flight.com/ Well, I tested it on SM 2.24, Iron 31 and IE11 and they all showed essentially identical renderings. Opera 12 used a serif font instead of the intended sans-serif one for the body text, but that was about the only difference I could discern. Just to be sure, I fired up a XP virtual machine to be able to check the page on IE8; same appearance as the others. So... I think yes, you have changed something on your SM to cause that effect. Perhaps it's just a matter of resetting the zoom. Try pressing Ctrl+0. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Original Macintosh 128kb. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.24 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Eliminate annoying pop up
Interviewed by CNN on 25/02/2014 00:34, rob swift told the world: what a whiney crybabey you are go fuck yourself asshole I'm surprised. After that outburst, you are calling *someone else* an asshole? -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my IBM PCjr. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.24 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Account NickNames
Interviewed by CNN on 17/02/2014 12:36, OldGuy told the world: WaltS wrote: Perhaps you're right. You're a better mind-reader; I just went with what he said in the subject line. I seem to recall there's a pref in about:config for abbreviating/not abbreviating NG names... On my system, I see m.s.seamonkey and m.d.a.seamonkey not mozilla.support.seamonkey and mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. Yes newsgroups. It depends on where you slide the left pane divider left or right. But then it takes up too much room away from the other panes. That pane is a pain. The relevant about:config preference is mail.server.default.abbreviate. If set to true (which is supposed to be the default) mozilla.support.seamonkey will be displayed as m.s.seamonkey -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my R2 Unit. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.24 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Accessing Facebook uses 95% of CPU on Seamonkey or FireFox
Interviewed by CNN on 14/02/2014 17:50, Arnie Goetchius told the world: When I log in to Facebook, I find that both Seamonkey and Firefox are using at least 95% of the CPU. Naturally this slows everything down to a crawl. Same problem in 2.23 and 2.24 but don't know when this started. I tried using IE8, Google Chrome and Safari and they all run under 5 so it is not a problem with those browsers. I have tried this on three different computers all running Win XP SP3. Also tried Seamonkey and Firefox on a Win 7 computer and they only use about 40% of the CPU but even that is a lot compared to Google Chrome or IE8. Anyone else experiencing this? No. I have Facebook open in Seamonkey right now. CPU usage for Seamonkey oscillates between 0 and 2%. This is a three-and-half years old computer running Windows 7 -- good machine but hardly bleeding-edge. It might have something to do with the fact that I'm very, very, VERY picky regarding Facebook apps -- Facebook apps are provided by third parties, and not only they are an humongous privacy issue, but many of them are probably badly written. My standard response to anybody inviting me to a game, birthday alert or anything like that is to block the app so I never see the invitation again. I have currently two Facebook apps active -- and about thirty blocked ones. You might wish to check your Facebook Settings to see if you have too many apps. Perhaps one of them is the culprit. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my cyborg implant. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.24 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Upgrade SM from 2.8 to 2.24
Interviewed by CNN on 14/02/2014 09:05, Trane Francks told the world: Certainly, this does not incriminate SeaMonkey. Human's can easily decipher the difference between v2.8 vs. v2.08. Every contemporary file system/operating system will, however, return a sort that indicates the two are not the same. Still... a version numbering scheme that satisfies naive OS sorting algorithms and is future-proof to a high level of certainty would demand padding each number group to three digits(*). Also, since a few OSs at least attempt to right-align numbers before sorting (recent versions of Windows come to mind), you would have to fill the less significant digits with zeros. So, a first prototype proof-of-concept (say, what sane people would call version 0.0.1) would have to be expanded into: 000.000.001.000 Which is sorta pretentious (dude, do you really think your little project will last long enough to hit version 99?) and hard to read. That looks more like an IPv4 address than a version number. Overall, I find the issue silly. Trying to design a numbering scheme to outsmart naive sorting algorithms is sorta like writing HTML to the browser bugs, instead of using something that makes sense. Myself, I think Firefox/Gecko should have moved to a Ubuntu-like year.month numbering scheme around version 12 (when the transition could have been made smoothly); it's less confusing for a rapid-release project. But that once-in-a-lifetime opportunity was missed. It might still happen, but now the transition would be less smooth. Currently I think that Seamonkey should skip a couple version numbers in order to align with Gecko versions (and Firefox). This would also reduce confusion. But evidently not everybody agrees with me, (*) No, three digits is certainly not overkill. Chrome has already gone through one-third of the available two-digit major version number; Firefox is close behind. A v.100 browser is not an unreasonable possibility. Same for Seamonkey and minor version numbers. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my WOPR. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.24 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Tagzilla
Interviewed by CNN on 13/02/2014 16:36, JAS told the world: Mine has started working again Win XP PRO SM 2.24 Tagzilla 0.7a2 and JsLib 0.1.367 I'm curious. Where did you get 0.7a2? I could only find the same version I have been using -- 0.7a1. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Total Lack of Social Skills. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.24 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Upgrade SM from 2.8 to 2.24
Interviewed by CNN on 12/02/2014 20:33, Trane Francks told the world: There's also no reason whatsoever that minor and patch-level releases cannot (or even should not) be padded to the number of expected places, e.g., 2.08.03. That keeps the versions obvious and the sorting simple to read. That assumes that, when creating the *first* release of a product, people know how many sub-releases are there going to be sometime in the future. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my abacus. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.24 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email problem with 2.24
Interviewed by CNN on 09/02/2014 16:24, wolfiew...@wolfiewocky.com told the world: Is anybody else seeing this? I got the auto-update to 2.24 (build 20140203230027) this morning, and since then, I cannot receive any email sent to me, even emails I send myself. Thanks! I have updated to 2.24 and I'm receiving e-mail normally. Although, to be sure, I no longer have any POP accounts; all my mail accounts currently are IMAP. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Filofax. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.24 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.23: text is too small, but correct in IE 8
Interviewed by CNN on 05/02/2014 01:29, flyguy told the world: This website displays with suitable, readable text in IE8, but in SM 2.23, the text is much smaller (about half the height) and difficult to read. Is this caused by a setting I can change in SM? Or perhaps improper website coding (but then, why is IE8 doing a pretty good jog?). Which website? -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my legal pad. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.23 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Stopping shockwave?
Interviewed by CNN on 03/02/2014 08:04, Peter told the world: How can SM2.17.1 be stopped from trying to run shockwave? Also, what _is_ shockwave? Shockwave is a plugin from Adobe. You can prevent it from running by: a) Disabling it in the Add-Ons Manager, or b) Uninstalling it entirely from your computer Note that due to some marketing-oriented decisions took years ago by Macromedia (now part of Adobe), there are actually two different products that may identify themselves as Shockwave. The most common of them is Flash, which is listed on the Add-Ons Manager as Shockwave Flash. The other one is Shockwave Player. They are both Adobe products, but actually do different things. Note also that it may be possible to set up click to play behavior in Seamonkey, in which plugins aren't loaded automatically. But I can't recall offhand if this was already available in SM 2.17, which is about six versions out of date. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my abacus. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.23 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Download Manager propagates slowly
Interviewed by CNN on 22/01/2014 21:10, stan pierce told the world: Used to be that when I selected the Download Manager, it immediately came up with all the entries. Now, when I select the Download Manager, it comes up empty and takes about 15 seconds before it propagates. How many old entries are there in your Download Manager? If you have a lot, perhaps purging old entries would help you. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.23 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Need for Defender + Antivirus Program?
Interviewed by CNN on 20/01/2014 22:15, Mort told the world: Hi, I have read conflicting ideas about the following, and would like to have some accurate advice. I am running Windows 7 Pro and Windows XP Pro on my 2 laptops, which both came with Windows Defender. I also run Avast antivirus software as well as SuperAntiSpyware. My XP laptop refuses to update the Defender, giving a repeat error notice,which Windows Fixit cannot fix. Are the Avast and antispyware sufficient? Do I need Defender also? Some articles even said that Defender will interfere with the other programs. Defender is an antispyware, as is SuperAntispyware and also one of the Avast modules. It's generally assumed that it's a bad idea to have several antimalware programs doing essentially the same thing -- they end up interfering in one another and making your computer slow. (I have seen at times race conditions between security software taking 99% of the CPU on customers' machines... a Brazilian banking security tool called G-Buster is particularly notorious for causing this. But I digress...) Myself, I use just the free Avast and the Windows built-in firewall (plus, of course, a network router, which nowadays is almost unavoidable and adds an extra barrier to direct attacks). I also have NoScript in my main browser, which is annoying at times but makes the black hats' job much harder. But the most important defense I have is... a suspicious mind. I have received hundreds of phishing mail messages over the years, for instance; I don't think I have ever fell for one. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Franklin Translator. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.23 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Need for Defender + Antivirus Program?
Interviewed by CNN on 22/01/2014 00:16, Mort told the world: Thanks so much for the very nice explanation. I was vaguely aware of the problem when software programs fight each other, and it came to a head when my Defender refused to get updates, giving an error code that Microsoft could not fix. I will now feel comfortable in simply deleting Defender. I too am alert to possible attacks, and had only one Trojan horse in 18 years of computing. It was quickly discovered and eliminated. I am as careful about unknown messages as I used to be with unknown girls in my youth. By the way, you can uninstall Defender from Windows XP but not from Windows 7. But you can disable it in Windows 7, which is almost as good. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Sirius Cybernetics Corporation Onboard Computer with Genuine People Personalities(tm). * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.23 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Strange IMAP account
Interviewed by CNN on 15/01/2014 17:27, Ray Davison told the world: WinXP SM 2.22 I have ten POP accounts and one IMAP. The IMAP account is new and the first I have ever had. I expect IMAP to be somewhat different but this is a bit much. When I open the mail client, my primary POP account and the IMAP are expanded; sub-folders are exposed. The rest of the POP accounts show only the top folder. The IMAP looks like this. https://plus.google.com/photos/110720715566253280768/albums/5211586024118934849/5969191047190075234?banner=pwapid=5969191047190075234oid=110720715566253280768 If I open the Inbox, all other folders disappear. https://plus.google.com/photos/110720715566253280768/albums/5211586024118934849/5969191093550213586?banner=pwapid=5969191093550213586oid=110720715566253280768 At a later time when I opened the mail client the sub-folders had grown to this; https://plus.google.com/photos/110720715566253280768/albums/5211586024118934849/5969191136037209906?banner=pwapid=5969191136037209906oid=110720715566253280768 Again, opening Inbox caused the others to disappear. It would seem that the sub-folders will grow without bound. Those sometimes visible folders are actual files in an INBOX sub-directory, just like they show when the mail client is first opened, and they are being used. The account can send and receive, but no normal Sent, Draft, Template,,, folders are created. Rather it creates a fresh set in INBOX.sdb every time the mail client is opened. I closed SM, deleted everything except the X:\\\MAIL\inbox. The next time I opened the mail client, X:\\\MAIL\INBOX.sdb and files representing those shown above were recreated. Is any/all of this to be expected with IMAP? No, it isn't. What it seems to be happening is some sort of sync disagreement between Seamonkey and your mail server. Apparently Seamonkey and your server have different ideas on how the folders are organized -- if they are *inside* INBOX, or *besides* it. It happens sometimes, particularly with small ISPs who aren't used to configuring IMAP servers. I had one account in a friend's private domain which was plagued with such problems. I don't remember very well how I fixed it -- I think I manually adjusted the value for the IMAP root folder (usual values are either blank or INBOX. -- the dot is important), but I really don't remember how I did it. What I do remember is that this setting is sorta hidden in Seamonkey, it took some research to find it... -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my BeBox. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.23 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey and Windows CE scanner
Interviewed by CNN on 06/01/2014 12:05, gregglswit...@gmail.com told the world: We are looking for a fast browser for our motorolla scanners. Currently using default IE browser, which is very slow, etc. Would seamonkey work with this OS and be faster and more reliable? Thanks I don't think so. Windows CE is actually a separate platform from regular Windows; I don't think there is a a Seamonkey port for that. There used to be an effort to port Firefox to CE, but it died a long, long time ago. Your best bet is probably to try installing Opera Mobile or Opera Mini. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Filofax. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.23 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: IMAP and POP together
Interviewed by CNN on 05/12/2013 04:44, andré told the world: I've switched all my gmail account to other providers, since I also use POP access, and with POP (or IMAP) access, anything gmail has classified as spam is invisible, and is automatically deleted if not reclassified in 30 days. Unfortunately there is no way around this, and gmail is very aggressive in classifying emails as spam. There is an undocumented workaround, however. You can set up a filter inside Gmail that tags *all* incoming messages as not spam. I used to do that back when I used POP and/or auto-forwarding in Gmail. Nowadays, with IMAP, it's not really necessary -- I just check the Spam folder regularly (once or twice a month). And, in my experience, the Gmail filter is pretty good at identifying spam. I have a few -- very few -- false positives, so I keep checking the Spam box, but I don't think it's any worse at that than other spam filters I have used in the past. There was a time when my work account was incredibly flooded with spam (about one hundred a day!), but once my employer moved it to Google Apps it ceased to be a problem. The only Gmail feature that still annoys me (and there's no known workaround for it) is that it deduplicates messages. It's really annoying when you subscribe to mailing lists -- particularly if you subscribe to several related lists, where cross-posting is not uncommon. Due to the auto-deduplication, you don't see the messages you sent to the list, either, since it duplicates a message that is in your sent items folder. You can with at least gmail, but I wouldn't recommend it. IMAP is designed to store everything on the server, and only selectively download emails to read. It is more useful for corporate environments where several users access the same email account. POP is easier to configure for what you need. Actually, in these days of multiple devices accessing the same account, IMAP is great for home users too. I have my phone, my home computer and work computer accessing the same accounts, and all folder organization, read status, flags etc. are kept neatly synced between them. I also have the same folder organization, read status etc. if I need to use webmail for some reason. Yeah, many home users will instead use a single webmail account. This doesn't work for me because: 1. I hate webmail. 2. I don't have a single account, I have about ten. 3. Webmail is crap. It lacks significant functionality of dedicated clients, and it's slow. 4. No, I don't want to consolidate. I have excellent reasons for segregating different uses into different accounts. 5. Did I mention that I dislike webmail? 2) You can configure mozilla to never delete messages. So do that on the machine where you don't intend to read or keep all your messages. Under email account configuration / server parameters : [x] Leave messages on the server ... [x] Until I delete them. 3) On the machine where you intend to read and keep all your messages : Configure to delete after a maybe a week, and not right away, in case of some glitch. The default is 3? days. As the OP has said, he is already using a delete-after-90-days setting in his POP access. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Lego Mindstorms. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.22 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: IMAP and POP together
Interviewed by CNN on 05/12/2013 12:52, hawker told the world: I use MAPI/IMAP at work because for that usage it works best but still use POP for personal because, up to recently it has also been the best choice. My life is changing to be more on the go, less time at home on y personal computer but I still want local, filtered and sorted archives of everything. I have to much personal E-mail to keep it all on the server. I'm thinking this dual, IMAP at work, POP at home may be the solution, or perhaps IMAP at both and the filters move to local folders. I'm still trying to work this out. It would be nice if Android had some sort of SPAM filtering so that after I kill the SPAM on my phone I wouldn't have to deal with it again on the personal computer. Considering that accessing e-mail on a phone is slower and more cumbersome than in a computer, storage is more limited, and downloading messages may cost you depending on your data plan, processing spam in a portable device (phone/tablet) is generally not seen as the best solution. Server-side filtering tends to give you a better experience, as long as the filter is not prone to false positives. Even so, a remote-storage (IMAP/Exchange ActiveSync) solution usually gives you easy access to the spam folder, so you can check for those pesky false positives. Anyway, if you delete a spam message via IMAP with your phone, it shouldn't reappear later in your computer, no matter if you use POP or IMAP on the PC. But I'm unaware of any client-side spam filter for Android (or iOS, for that matter) -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my shoephone. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.22 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: IMAP and POP together
Interviewed by CNN on 05/12/2013 15:15, Ray_Net told the world: NOW with Gmail and his POP access. I have a Gmail-box and i have some problems. I can have the list of mails residing on the gmail-pop-server as many time i want with PopTray. BUT When i read a mail using PopTray this mail disappear in the list of mails on the Gmail-pop-server. BUT when i donwload mails using SM ... all mails disappeared in the list of mails on the Gmail-pop-server. This is not the case with my isp-mailbox. And, very strange ... Gmails are still in an unread state when accessing the gmail-box by the web-interface. One thing one has to keep in mind about Gmail... it has *very little* in common with other mailservers and webmail products Most webmail products are just a web-based IMAP client connected to a standard mailserver. Or, to put it another way, a standard POP/IMAP/SMTP mailserver with a webmail front-end tacked on. Gmail was done as a webmail first (with its own custom storage engine). POP and IMAP were tacked on later, and compatibility was somewhat compromised wherever it conflicted with the Gmail design approach. So, there are some oddities. One major oddity is how Gmail processes POP deletion requests -- instead of actually deleting the message, it by default only hides the message from POP clients (although I think this behavior can be changed in the Gmail settings). Another oddity is that spam filtering cannot be turned off. Which is really annoying for POP users, because there's no way to check for false positives. On IMAP, one major oddity is that messages will show up more than once -- one in the folder they are supposed to be, once in the Gmail/All Messages folder, and sometimes once in the Gmail/Important folder. Meaning that they will be downloaded two or three times. Fortunately, that's an easy fix: just unsubscribe those two folders. Overall, I found that Gmail is a fair-to-good IMAP server, but a mediocre-to-bad POP server. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Z-Machine. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.22 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: IMAP and POP together
Interviewed by CNN on 04/12/2013 21:15, hawker told the world: Can I IMAP on my Phone (HTC Android) and POP on my Mozilla Mail client without a mess? In theory... yes. Lots of servers allow it. But you should check the documentation on your particular server software to see if there's any known bug. * Will the email account be able to handle this without corruption? Also, in theory, yes. If your server does not have significant bugs. * If I delete it on my phone (IMAP) will it be deleted and not downloaded to my PC-Mozilla? It should do so, yes. It's also possible (depending on how your server handles it) that messages that you move to an IMAP folder (other than the inbox) won't be delivered to your POP account. * If I read it on IMAP will it be marked read when POP downloaded or not or would It also have to be IMAP downloaded to see this. POP has no concept of read messages. So no, even if you have already read the message via IMAP, it would be downloaded again as unread via POP. If you want to preserve read status and other flags, you have to use IMAP in both machines. * Can Thunderbird or Seamonkey's filters, when IMAP downloaded, pull the e-mail from the IMAP account and move it to an offline account so it doesn't use up space on the server? Can I do this for messages over a certain age only? Certainly so for the first one -- you can use a filter to move a message anywhere, including local folders. As to the second... I haven't tried it, but I don't think so. The main reason being that filters usually only apply automatically to *new* messages. An alternative that you might wish to consider is to use the Archive messages feature to move old messages from IMAP to your local folders. Run this about once a month, set to archive messages older than three months, and it probably would be enough to keep your IMAP from growing too much. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from The Voices in My Head. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.22 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New query, send to mail recipient option
Interviewed by CNN on 28/11/2013 04:10, azed13 told the world: How safe is it to install an older release and must I get rid of all 2.22.1 or will an older version install over it? I've never had a profile problem and would not like to do something that might create one for me. Waiting for the new 2.23 is really holding things up. Like another poster, I use Picasa a lot because it automatically converts images to a size that the mail servers have no problems with. It's pretty safe, I don't think the profile format has undergone any important changes recently. In fact, the latest major change that I recall was when we moved from 2.0 to 2.1. But I advise you to uninstall 2.22.1 first (don't worry, your data and profile won't be touched) and only then reinstall the older version -- while the profile is not a problem, you might face some problems if some of the program files get replaced and others aren't. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my superior attunement to the Force. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.22 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Opening links in different browser
Interviewed by CNN on 27/11/2013 17:03, Charani told the world: Mmmm, Not available for SeaMonkey 2.16 it says when opened in SeaMonkey. I run 2.16. Works with 2.21 and 2.22 it says when opened in my other browser. Guess it's bye bye SeaMonkey. Shame it's been good. I don't get it. If it works with the most recent versions of Seamonkey, what's stopping you from using it? Just update SM. Anyway, this add-on has existed for a long time now. Even if the author dropped support for 2.16 and older versions, there should be some past version which is compatible with it. In fact, I suspect that this version should run find in 2.16 -- it's not THAT old, after all. The author probably just chose to not list older versions as compatible to cut down on support. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my fax machine. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.22 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Funding and Bug Fixes....
Interviewed by CNN on 26/11/2013 20:05, hawker told the world: On 11/26/2013 2:25 AM, Judy Dolby wrote: *I love SeaMonkey, bugs and all. Years ago when Netscape came on the scene, I got it and stuck with it. At last there was an alternative to leaky IE. I understand that SM is from Netscape. I used Google Chrome one day to pay a subscription and it never warned me, but I got hacked badly, lost money, had to change 2 credit cards. Look at window, non stop fixes being downloaded! Don;t give up SM guys, you are doing a great job! :-) That is an interesting way to put it. Netscape predates IE so I always saw IE as an attempted alternative to Netscape, not the other way around. SM isn't really from Netscape. SM is from Mozilla, different code base. That said Netscape used it at one time when they ditched Netscape 5 and started over open source at Netscape 6. But when I think of Netscape I think of 4.x and before. Actually, neither is entirely correct. Mozilla was originally the internal name (codename) for Netscape. Netscape identified itself to Web servers as Mozilla. That's the reason many non-Mozilla products still have the word Mozilla somewhere in their user-agent strings -- back then, spoofing Netscape was a necessity. In fact, history is repeating itself with the Gecko rendering engine (the one Mozilla products use), because several non-Mozilla browsers identify themselves inserting like Gecko in their UA string... Anyway... back in 1998 when Microsoft was pushing Netscape towards bankruptcy by outspending it on RD and giving away their products (killing Netscape's business model), one of the last desperate maneuvers of Netscape was the decision to go open-source. They created an open-source project named Mozilla in order to develop a next-generation browser. The idea was that a future version of Netscape would be built upon the core Mozilla product. (There are several explanations why there was never a Netscape 5, but one that makes some sense to me is that the original idea was that V5 was intended to be an interim release based on the old codebase, and V6 was to be based on the new Mozilla codebase. Eventually, the V5 project was killed but the version numbers remained) Soon after that, Netscape was gobbled up by AOL and ceased to exist as a separate entity. AOL kept funding Netscape and the Mozilla project for a few years, although sorta half-heartedly. Mozilla was sorta stuck in Development Hell at the time. Eventually, AOL decided to kill off the remains of Netscape, but -- surprisingly -- they did it in a rather nice way: instead of just chucking it all to the bin, they spun off Mozilla as a non-profit foundation and endowed it with a chunk of cash. Several former Netscape employees went to work for the Mozilla foundation. Anyway... the initial Mozilla product was a browser suite similar to Netscape 4, but based on new code. This product failed to cause a big splash. But a couple teams were working on their own in smaller, leaner, simpler, more focused stand-alone products -- those ended up being Firefox and Thunderbird. And Firefox DID cause a big splash. With the success of Firefox, the Mozilla Foundation decided to concentrate on Firefox and Thunderbird and abandon the development of the Mozilla Application Suite. A team of volunteers took over the MAS project, renamed it Seamonkey and here we war now. So, Seamonkey is not from Netscape (since that company ended a long time ago) but it's the spiritual descendant of the old Netscape Suite. And while IE began as an alternative to Netscape, by the time Mozilla-branded products hit the Web IE was dominant, therefore anything Mozilla was seen as an alternative to IE. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Bat-Computer. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.22 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Shutdown
Interviewed by CNN on 25/11/2013 19:00, Paul B. Gallagher told the world: David E. Ross wrote: Windows 7 (x64) SeaMonkey 2.22.1 Very often, the seamonkey.exe process fails to die when I shutdown SeaMonkey. I usually shut it down by selecting the X in the upper-right corner of the window. Several minutes later, I cannot relaunch SeaMonkey without first using Ctrl-Alt-Delete and terminating the seamonkey.exe process. Is this a SeaMonkey problem or a Windows 7 problem? I haven't seen this in years, if ever; I must be doing something right. Win7 Pro SP1 (64-bit), SM 2.22. I vaguely remember a time when that was common, but nowadays Seamonkey almost always closes cleanly. I think it has been months since the last time I had to kill the task from Task Manager. Win7Ultimate x64. The usual suspects for this kind of misbehavior are as follows: 1. Extensions: Check if you have any extensions you don't really need. 2. Plugins: some versions of plugins are notorious for frequent hangs. Try updating your plugins. 3. If none of the above improves the situation, you may have something corrupted in your Seamonkey profile. If your profile is rather old, the likelihood of that goes up, due to old settings that no longer make sense. Biting the bullet and recreating the profile from scratch may solve that and other annoyances. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Cranberry. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.22 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [ SM and FF/TB ] was Re: 2.22.1?
Interviewed by CNN on 20/11/2013 05:53, Ray_Net told the world: Could we have completely in parallel SM, and FF/TB working distinctly one with the other using default install ? More precisely, i have SM working with mail part with the option don't remove mail from the server. I want to install FF and TB by the default install. Without importing what's on SM. No sync, Completely independent. Is this possible ? (to be able to work in parallel until i switch to FF/TB or switch back to SM) Yes. Default install of Firefox, Seamonkey and Thunderbird keep completely separate profiles for each application. They don't interfere into one another. You can even run them at the same time. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my TurboGrafx16. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.22 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Moving Mail Files From One PC To Another
Interviewed by CNN on 20/11/2013 19:49, HenriK told the world: I can't thank you enough for your suggestion. What I finally found was that when my e-mail files were copied to disc, they somehow were marked 'Archive'. Once I made certain that there were no 'Archive', 'Hidden', or 'Read Only' attributes attached to saved files, I renamed them and copied them into the appropriate SeaMonkey 'Mail' sub-folder on my working PC. When SeaMonkey Mail came up, it immediately recognized the renamed files and I was able to combine them with the existing 'inbox' and 'sent' files on my working PC. Again my thanks for your most helpful suggestion. Weird, I don't see how the archive flag could cause any problems. Regular apps don't even look a it -- it's there just to make backup apps' job easier. Hidden, Read-Only and System flags, however, can and do cause problems at times. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Amstrad PCW. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.22 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Unable to copy to new mail account
Interviewed by CNN on 18/11/2013 14:33, Ray Davison told the world: I currently have ten mail accounts. They are all either Charter or Gmail and are all POP. I am trying to establish an account with a new server that wants IMAP. So far that account has not accepted my log-in attempts but that does not bother me, yet. If I try to copy a message from another inbox to the new inbox, the new account tries to log in, fails, and the copy fails. Is it normal for it to be necessary for an account to be active/functional to copy to it? I also tried to compose a draft message. That failed in the same manner as the copy; log-in failed. I would think copy and compose should work even if there is no WEB connection, true? I deleted the account and created it new, no change. The only difference I see between the current and new account is IMAP. Can than effect the local performance? Yeah, that is normal. With IMAP accounts, the main storage is located in the server -- that is, in your ISP, company server or equivalent. The local storage exist mostly for performance reasons and to allow reading messages offline. But it's regarded as a convenience, not necessarily a full synced copy of the server (in fact, you can tell your client to cache only relatively new messages, or even none at all). The server copy always takes precedence. Thing is, if you are trying to copy/move a message _into_ the IMAP account, your mail client needs to contact the server in order to upload the message there. Otherwise, you would have a situation with a message in local storage that has no corresponding one, past or present, in the server. That is not allowed by the IMAP protocol. There's a lot to like about IMAP, not the least being having exactly the same mail folders in different computers/tablets/smartphones/webmail, with read/deleted/flagged status replicating from one device to another. But it does involve a slight rethinking of your assumptions. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Daystrom M5 Multitronic System. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.22 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM with dropbox
Interviewed by CNN on 18/11/2013 18:35, Rick Merrill told the world: I found it (DB) surprisingly fast (faster than ftp?). And I have the impression that most of the files for news and mail are small. I also thought that the other instance was marked in-progress until updated. Dropbox uses a few tricks to speed up transfers, like checking if the file you are uploading has been already uploaded by another user (if so, then it sorta lies that it has uploaded the file, when in fact it copies it from the other user). As for mail files... not that small, no. The MBOX mail store system Seamonkey uses makes a file for every mail/news folder on your profile. Those can end up quite large, if you keep lots of messages (particularly ones with large attachments) on the same folder. But average size will depend on your usage. For instance, most of my mail files are under 10 Mb, but I have a few over 100 Mb -- one is almost 400 Mb. OTOH, I have no idea how good is Dropbox at doing differential syncing. If it can identify the parts that have changed and sync only those, then it's likely to be a fairly fast sync -- mail store files tend to be changed only at the tail-end, most of the time. It's a pity that Mozilla still hasn't finished implementation of a maildir-like mail store (one where each message is a distinct file). Those systems tend to yield more efficient syncing and backups, since olde message files are essentially static. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Smith-Corona. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.22 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.22 Closing page in browser opens blank page. Keyboard errors.
Interviewed by CNN on 03/11/2013 20:43, azed13 told the world: I finally moved up to 2.22, net result, when I close a web page Seamonkez opens a new blank page. Tzping in the news group, zou will notice that using the Whz kez results in a z being printed. Hitting the z kez results in y. Manz other kezs produce special characters such as Ä for quote kez Ö for the colon kez. What goes_ the previous character is supposed to be a question mark. Do I need to go back to an earlier release_ Also, the spacing of lines in the news reader has turned to double space. These are the first problems I have had with a release going back literallz for zears. Advice would be appreciated. As for the keyboard problem: it seems that you have an alternate keyboard configured in your computer. Windows allows you to have several keyboards configured, and will attempt to remember which layout to use in which window. From the errors you mention, you seem to have both a QWERTY-based layout (English, Spanish, Portuguese, Scandinavian languages and several others) and a QWERTZ-based layout (German and Eastern Europe, mostly). The solution is to open the Windows Control Panel, click on the Change Keyboards or other input methods link, click on the Change keyboards button and uninstall the undesired keyboard layouts. As for the open blank page when closing... does this happens only when you are trying to closing the last tab on the windows, or always? The load-blank-page-on-closing-the-last-tab thing is there by design, and can be turned off by an about:config option. If it's happening in other situations, however, there might be something else wrong. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Buttocks. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.22 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mouse Wheel Problem 2.22
Interviewed by CNN on 01/11/2013 16:48, Larry S. told the world: Just installed SM 2.22, and immediately found that when attempting to scroll down a page the mouse wheel changes the zoom level of the page, rather than scrolling down (or up) the page. Note, in Preferences the choices for Mouse Wheel scrolling to zoom the page ARE NOT checked (and no modifier keys). Also noted: Font size smaller here and there, e.g. the HelpAbout SeaMonkey page. Any suggestions? WFM. Maybe something went wonky with your upgrade? -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Bandar talking drum. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.22 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.22
Interviewed by CNN on 01/11/2013 15:47, Philip Taylor told the world: OT : And why does Reply/list not strip out the Newsgroup: header ? A newsgroup is not a list. Ummm... maybe because this is a newsgroup, and the mailing list is just a secondary interface to it? -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Motorola StarTAC. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.22 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: signature line and shading
Interviewed by CNN on 31/10/2013 18:04, hawker told the world: My office has mandated we all have a consistent signature line. Of course those who made the claim are on a Mac and using a totally different e-mail client than I. I have some HTML pasted in my signature line for that profile. Can someone tell me how I can do the following: 1) Remove the -- that occurs before the signature line? As WaltS has already explained (I'm quoting him), you have just to set mail.identity.default.suppress_signature_separator to true in about:config. Some discussion is in order, though, so you are aware of exactly what is this separator (which is actualll -- , that is, two dashes followed by a blank space) so you are better armed in any business-space confrontation about it. That is, if someone criticizes you for taking too long to remove it, you can quote the technical documentation to them and make them sound like idiots. The -- is a very old convention for separating sig blocks, which appears to have originated in the USENET but made its way to Internet e-mail. It's purpose is to make it easier for software to identify the sig block. Why? Well, because in environments favoring bottom-posting (like the Usenet, these Mozilla-related newsgroups, and many mailing lists), auto-stripping the signature from the quoted text when answering is a very desirable feature. So many e-mail / news clients include this feature, and insert the separator automatically. Note that a specific RFC regarding the -- separator does not seem to exist, but RFC 3676 (which actually is about format=flowed) does document the practice and considers it important enough to require a specific workaround for it, so it's a sort of informal standard. Business environments, however, tend to prefer top-posting instead of bottom-posting. Bottom-posting has conciseness and clarity (by quoting just the necessary parts of the original message right above the answer) as a goal; top-posting, on the other hand, has as a goal providing a full copy of the original mail for ease of consultation and documentation of the whole conversation, so it usually keeps the original message (including signatures and attachments) in its entirety. Long back-and-forth conversations between top-posters can generate really big messages, but business users don't seem to care. So, in the business context, yeah, the -- does not seem to make sense. But if your company is that uptight about mail formatting, you probably should change the answering style for the account to bottom-posting (Account Settings / Composition and Addressing). 2) Prevent Seamonky from making the signature lighter than the requested font color? Actually, that is only a display option; that is, it only affects messages when you are reading them, and even then only if the message includes the -- separator. Outgoing message signatures are not actually formatted as light gray, so you don't have to worry about that. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my IBM PC-XT. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.22 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.22
Interviewed by CNN on 31/10/2013 21:21, Cruz, Jaime told the world: Surprised there's no announcement here. My Windows system just updated from 2.21 to 2.22. Naturally, still waiting for the Linux version to hit the Ubuntuzilla repositories. I have seen no problems with the new version. However... is it just me, or is the message tree/list formatted a little different? Like, with lines slightly more separate from each other, or perhaps a different default font? I don't know exactly what it is, but the list seems a bit more airy now. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Original Macintosh 128kb. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.22 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Profiles won't work
Interviewed by CNN on 30/10/2013 10:43, WaltS told the world: On 10/30/2013 02:46 AM, Judy Dolby wrote: I made my 6 user profiles and placed each profile folder in the spot that I chose for them. All I get is one profile. Switch user get same profile even after picking a different user. It is as if SeaMonkey can not see the users profiles. It has made a profile of its own also in same folder where my profiles are. Never had this problem with earlier versions. I am back to using older Seamonkey and Google chrome for sites that no longer support my old version. Judy Maybe because your Windows 98 isn't supported. http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/system-requirements I wasn't aware that *any* version of Google Chrome was compatible with Win98... I mean, the initial release was in 2008, almost 7 years after XP hit the stores and well into the age of Vista... no sane developer would bother with those old APIs. (In fact, from a bit of googling around, it seems it never supported even Win2000.) So I don't know what that user-agent string in Judy's message means, but I think it does not tell the whole story. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Newton MessagePad. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.21 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: outlook email in seamonkey?
Interviewed by CNN on 30/10/2013 20:39, Bryan v. Roache told the world: hi, do any of you use outlook, in sea-monkey? If you do, how do you sink your outlook address book with SeaMonkey? How do you change outlooks, POP settings to imap, for the persons who use SeaMonkey with outlook email, that prefers to use imap instead of POP for its eas of use. OK, one thing at a time... 1. No, I don't use Outlook with -- or without -- Seamonkey. I hate the damn thing. I have to support it for my corporate users, though, so I know a bit about it. 2. Generally speaking, you don't. Syncing the Seamonkey/Thunderbird address book with *anything* is troublesome at best. It's by far the weakest point of the Mozilla mail products. And, although it's *possible* to sync Outlook with a variety of products, it usually depends on some commercial software to do it. 3. Also, you don't change POP settings into IMAP in Outlook (or in fact, in any other mail client I'm aware of). POP and IMAP use fundamentally different strategies for downloading and storing messages. What I suggest you do is this: a. Add an IMAP account to your mail client. b. Move your old e-mail messages from the old folders either to some sort of local archive folders or to the IMAP folders on your server, if you need to access those messages from other environments (cellphone/tablet/webmail/other computers). c. Delete the old POP account. Note that deleting your account in some mail clients (Windows Live Mail is notorious in this regard) will destroy any old messages stored under its folder tree. So be sure any message you want to preserve is stored somewhere else. Better yet, be sure to have a full backup of your e-mails before starting. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Olivetti Praxis 20. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.21 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: feade alert
Interviewed by CNN on 29/10/2013 17:40, Bryan v. Roache told the world: hi, is their a rss/feed alert plugin for SeaMonkey, to notifier a user when their is a feed/rss available? What do you mean, exactly? If you want to know if there is a feed available for the page you are visiting with the browser, no add-on is necessary -- the orange feed icon will appear in the URL bar. If you want to be notified that a new article is available on a feed... well, that's also built-in to the feed reader. If you want to be alerted that there is a new feed available *somewhere* in the world, I think that's unfeasible -- there are literally thousands of feeds being created every minute. If it's something other than that... I have no idea what it could be. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Altair 8800. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.21 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: signature switch,
Interviewed by CNN on 28/10/2013 18:57, Bryan v. Roache told the world: Ed Mullen wrote, On 10/28/2013 4:50 PM: Bryan v. Roache wrote: hi, is their a signature switch plug in for sea-monkey? like there is for Thunderbird? Two that I know of: Pick-A-Tag http://edmullen.net/mozilla/moz_sigtag.php Tagzilla http://tagzilla.mozdev.org/ does this work for sea monkey for windows? Yes, both of them do. Tagzilla is a Thunderbird/Seamonkey extension and should work in other platforms too; Pick-A-Tag is, AFAIK, Windows-only. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Roomba. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.21 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mouse Problem?
Interviewed by CNN on 16/10/2013 14:40, Lee told the world: thanks Connie appreciate to reply guess that is what I will do. Not sure how old the computer is but the mouse was deleting stuff next to the item I was deleting I was getting a 2 for 1 deletions. Quality mice (and keyboards, for that matter) prices have come down to a point where there's really no excuse to suffer a bad one. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Constitution Class Starship. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.21 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mouse Problem?
Interviewed by CNN on 16/10/2013 15:55, Paul B. Gallagher told the world: Do they even make bad ones? In 30 years working with computers, I've never had one. But I guess if the OP had one, they must exist. Yes. I have seen el cheapo generic mice with buttons failing after a couple months of use; scroll whells that seize up, or scroll erractically; optical sensors that are so bad that you have to dig up your entire collection of old mouse pads before you find a surface they will deign to track. And that's just for _corded_ mice. Don't get me started on battery life and signal reception on generic cordless mice... Cheap keyboards can be even worse, if it can be believed. cheap switches will begin failing (or getting stuck) seemingly the day after the (very limited, if any) warranty runs out. And the ergonomic of those things are uniformly horrible. I mean, five bucks (the difference in price between a generic crappy mouse and a entry-leve one from a reliable brand, down here) is a very low price to pay for comfort and accuracy. And the big-brand ones usually last two or three times as long as the cheapos, so you spend less on the long run. The basic rule of thumb is to buy Microsoft, Logitech or -- if you have more special needs, like if you are gamer -- one of a handful of expensive, boutique brands. But there are some lesser-known good options. I myself have a soft spot for Genius (KYE) hardware -- they are a bit cheaper than MS/Logitech, but are still well-made. My current Ergo T555 laser mouse has served me well for some years now, and the price was quite reasonable for a six-button mouse (and yes, I DO have uses for all those buttons). My current keyboard was expensive but not a big name-brand; the reason being that it's a clone of the very comfortable original Microsoft Natural Keyboard (the original never was available in Brazilian Portuguese layout) made by a company who specializes in point-of-sale hardware. Meaning, this baby is STURDY. It's some seven or years old and still going strong. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Burberry. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.21 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: importing passwords
Interviewed by CNN on 13/10/2013 19:27, Bryan v. Roache told the world: hi, is their an add on to export my passwords from Firefox to sea monkey or the other way around? It's possible to transfer passwords between Seamonkey and Firefox via Firefox Sync. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Dictaphone. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.21 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: https://www.google.com/
Interviewed by CNN on 11/10/2013 19:41, Rick Merrill told the world: Phillip, open https://www.google.com/ fresh then refresh it - the top bar disappears. IE8 does not exhibit this odd behavior. Hmmm, yeah. I can see it: Open SM, go to Google.com -- black bar displays on top. On refreshing (and subsequent visits to the page) the black bar does not display; instead, the new cleaner look with the app button besides the login button displays. The bar displayed in Iron (which is like 99% Chrome), but only when I was logged into my Google account (I prefer to be logged out of Google most of time, so I keep a separate browser for checking Gmail and other stuff that requires a Google account). Firefox 24, IE10 and Opera 12.15 didn't display the black bar either. Apparently Google decided to hide the black bar when users aren't logged in; for some reason, on first load on Seamonkey, it shows the old layout. My guess is some buggy code on Google's part, that takes a while to load the appropriate style sheet. Since it only happens to Seamonkey, it may be related to browser sniffing. I notice that the behavior only happens first time after SM loads, so Google may be setting some session cookie. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my cyborg implant. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.21 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Message Filters In Web Based Accounts ???
Interviewed by CNN on 07/10/2013 08:52, Daniel told the world: MCBastos wrote: In advising the OP to download their Yahoo messages and then do the filtering in SeaMonkey, have you tried it?? I, sort of, recall reading somewhere here-abouts, that filters are not working, for some reason, and, by-the-by, last night I set up two new filters on my Usenet account but, tonight, they are not doing anything. Filtering works fine with both POP and IMAP, with one major exception: AFAIK, filters only apply to new messages in the main inbox. That is, if you have set up rules on the webserver to move messages to other folders, those messages will be ignored by Seamonkey's filters. I have had a few dozen filters spread over a bunch of e-mail accounts, running the gamut from brain-deader-than-usual POP3 to standard POP and IMAP to Gmail and Yahoo IMAP-weirdness. Hotmail/Life/Outlook does not support IMAP so far (We will get around to it eventually, sometime, hopefully before 2020, but Why would you want to use a widely-supported open protocol instead of our own proprietary one, which is supported only by a handful of mails clients other than our own crappy ones?), so the times I had to deal with them, I had to use POP. There have been reports of problems with filtering in news (NNTP) accounts, however. I haven't tested to see the extent of the limitations. However, many filter actions like delete and mark as spam aren't available for newsgroups. It MIGHT be possible to use filters to do the things that are available in the right-click menu, but as I said, I didn't test it. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my IBM PS/2. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.21 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Message Filters In Web Based Accounts ???
Interviewed by CNN on 07/10/2013 18:50, MCBastos told the world: Hotmail/Life/Outlook does not support IMAP so far (We will get around to it eventually, sometime, hopefully before 2020, but Why would you want to use a widely-supported open protocol instead of our own proprietary one, which is supported only by a handful of mails clients other than our own crappy ones?), so the times I had to deal with them, I had to use POP. Have to eat my own words... it seems they finally got around to it last month. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Buttocks. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.21 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM Home page
Interviewed by CNN on 06/10/2013 12:28, David Kerridge told the world: Excite is a home page software program from Excite.com. I have been using for about 15 years, with no problems until now. Wait, did you mean that you use as a homepage something generated by a local program that you have used for about 15 years? How old is that program? Is it possible that the page it generates is buggy? -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Mom. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.21 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Message Filters In Web Based Accounts ???
Interviewed by CNN on 05/10/2013 19:19, Ray Davison told the world: ss wrote: Hello all, My question today is, how can I get SM 2.21 go to my sub-folders to collect mail on web based accounts? e.g. in yahoo I have eight message filters which do not stay in the in-box, they go directly to their respective folders at yahoo.com. What are the settings for having sm check the filters to import the messages or is there a setting change at yahoo.com I need to make? I assume you want to bring mail from Yahoo to SM ao that it resides on your HDD. If so, just get rid of the filters in Yahoo, create a Yahoo account in SM, and let SM filter them. Or else use IMAP, which reproduces locally the server's folder structure. In fact, Yahoo does not give POP access for free accounts, but it does give IMAP (although they claim it's unsupported for desktop clients; they say it's just for phones and tablets). Although I find their IMAP behaves slightly oddly. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my DEC Rainbow. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.21 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: seamonkey esr for windows
Interviewed by CNN on 02/10/2013 00:46, Bryan v. Roache told the world: hi does any one know ware i can get SeaMonkey esr 64 bit for windows at? I don't thing there is such an animal. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Desktop PC. Yes, running an actual e-mail client. Wanna make something of it? * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.21 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.21 on Win7 does not prompt me for download destination anymore
Interviewed by CNN on 01/10/2013 14:59, bernard told the world: Phew, I have to admit I couldn't make sense of that, until realised down them all is the name of an existing extension for firefox (is it supposed to work with seamonkey?) No, I am not using it, or any other download manager. Yes, it does work with Seamonkey. Personally, I think it's one of major sales points of the Firefox extension ecosystem; simply stated, there's nothing for Chrome or IE or Safari or even old-time Opera that comes close to it. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Roomba. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.21 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.21 wonkiness when closing a running session on the taskbar via aero peek
Interviewed by CNN on 27/09/2013 12:07, Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] told the world: On Win 7 x64 SP1, I noticed after 2.21 went final that when I close an open session via [X] in aero peek on the taskbar, it closes the session and then immediately opens up a blank white session (similar to doing an about:blank) on the taskbar. When I try to close that blank white session in peek via [X], it just open another blank one, over and over again. Seems like it is stuck in a loop. However, if I open that blank window session full screen and close it, it closes fine. I would hazard that's because the [x] in Aero Peek works similar to the close tab command (Ctrl-W) or closing a tab with the mouse, not the Close Window (Ctrl-Shift-W). The behavior might be related to the browser.tabs.closeWindowWithLastTab preference. Check Bug 533125 ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=533125 ) for some info on what that one does. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my legal pad. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.21 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Another impossibility
Interviewed by CNN on 29/09/2013 18:31, Ray_Net told the world:
Perhaps, i have not explained the problem very well.
The problem is because i cannot do a copy paste from the forward window
to the reply window of the following text:
Also in the news i cannot do that, so a go thru notepad to permit me to
show you the text:
Original Message
Subject: Re: Another impossibility
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 15:03:50 -0700
From: David E. Ross nobody@nowhere.invalid
Organization: I am @ david at rossde dot com.
Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey
References: 5oednqpt3ahmstjpnz2dnuvz_ssdn...@mozilla.org
Why is the copy/paste not working ? It looks like normal, pure text.
I had no problems copy/pasting the forwarding headers from the
forwarding window to the reply window in any scenario I tried.
Newsgroup, regular e-mail, plaintext, HTML, both forwarding and reply
windows open at the same time, closing the forwarding one before opening
the reply... they have all worked fine.
Windows 7 x64, SM 2.21. WFM.
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Re: Does Ask To Activate plug-in have a whitelist option?
Interviewed by CNN on 20/09/2013 19:14, PhillipJones told the world: Instead of white list. You need a Black list anything you don't want put them in a Black list get rid of them. From a security standpoint, blacklists are useless. For instance, consider the numerous security issues disclosed about Java this year -- which are the reason older Java versions are automatically blocked, and the Java Deployment Toolkit is still blocked by default regardless of version. Blacklisting known-bad sites wouldn't help much, because you would still be vulnerable to Java exploits in every new site you visited -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Deep Thought. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.21 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
