Re: Again: Bug tracker no longer available - something new?
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 19:47:49 +0200, Joerg Schiermeier wrote: Would be nice if someone informs me when the bugtracker is online again. Don't hold your breath... Nobody asked for my opinion but I will give it anyway: Beta! version 5.1 released + Bugtracker dying = Too much of a coincidence. Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again: Bug tracker no longer available - something new?
On Thu, 10 May 2012 10:54:55 -0400, Rick wrote: Nobody asked for my opinion but I will give it anyway: Beta! version 5.1 released + Bugtracker dying = Too much of a coincidence. What lesson are we to discern from this? None. It's just an opinion. My opinion is that Ritlabs wanted to get rid of the Bugtracker history and make a fresh start, probably without a renewed bugtacker. Much more convenient for them, don't you think? Now I may be right or wrong, and you may agree or not. It just doesn't matter. Also, you said Ritlabs was a one man operation now. You must confuse me with someone else. Do you have some evidence or a link to back that up? I asked you once before but you never replied I never said RL is a one man operation so there's nothing to prove. Arjan. -- I Am The Voice Of Reason In A Choir Of Insanity Current beta is 5.1.4.0 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 5.1 MSI
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 22:15:14 +0300, Maxim Masiutin wrote: Could you please test the The Bat! 5.1 MSI files and let us know if whey install well. Whey installed well but still have the HELP file of version 3 (2005). Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.1.0.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.0.1
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:02:41 +0300, Maxim Masiutin wrote: If you need a finished version, you can use v4.2.44 which is quite stable, OK! :-) we are not planning to stop with 5.0 and are moving ahead with 5.1, where we still have primary focus on stability. Nice! :-) Arjan Current beta is 5.1.0.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.1.0.1
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:27:04 +0300, Maxim Masiutin wrote: The Bat! 5.1.0.1 (BETA) is available at http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/a-5/tb5101.rar What's new in 5.1.0.1 since 5.0.36.5: [+] MultiSMTP [+] Folder|Inbox Analyzer [+] Message|Tags etc... Weird... BTW, My latest (= today) downloaded official Home Edition says: Version 5.0.36.3 (BETA) in its About screen. Wouldn't it be a nice idea to put a finished 5.0.xx version on the site first and only thereafter proceed with the new 5.1.xx BETA agon^H^H^H^H run? Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.1.0.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.22.9
On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:42:26 +0200, Krzysztof Kud?acik wrote: See message mid:105876498.20110722212...@otten.tv, under Voyager - double-click on message ID doesn't cause no action - no search for message, no error alert, just nothing. There's a comma at the end of the URL. Maybe that's the culprit. Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.22.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Antw: No Filters fix yet. Hardd to believe
On Tue, 10 May 2011 07:00:03 +0200, Marek Mikus wrote: A mid URL with only a message-id refers to an entire message. Yes. In HTML language. |The following message points to another message (hopefully still in | the recipient's message store). | | From: b...@none.com | To: pho...@all.com | Subject: Here's how to do it | Content-type: text/html; charset=usascii - | | ... The items in my | A HREF= mid:960830.1...@xison.com/parta.960830.1...@xison.com | previous message/A, shows how the approach you propose can be | used to accomplish ... (Source: RFC 2111) I will now leave you all to it and abstain from further comments on the new Beta! release. I sincerely hope you'll feel better now I'm gone. Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Filters fix yet. Hardd to believe
On Sun, 8 May 2011 23:22:51 +0200, Marek Mikus wrote: Yes, and 10 years ago headers were named kludges. and point is? Do you remember Bayes-It? And Themida? The point is: if it is useless and doesn't serve any purpose, throw it out! There is even less reason to keep this feature in. All it does is cause confusion. Nothing more. OK, You are confused, Please don't twist my words. still there is no reason to remove any feature You do not understand or not use. There is. It is a cause of compatibility problems with other mail clients. Or do you think that's not a reason? I did not mention headers (kludges). It's some kind of URL, only useful for fellow Beta! users. fellow Beta! users? This is ridiculus! Check RFC 2111: http://www.rfc-archive.org/getrfc.php?rfc=2111 Please read that RFC again. And better this time. It's about translating Message-ID (and Content-ID) into HTML. The correct syntax (in HTML) should be like this: A HREF= mid:960830.1...@xison.com/parta.960830.1...@xison.com What RL have made of this is purely their own private idiosyncratic interpretation. But they won't do that. Because Arjan told it? That's all? No, because they have a long and distinguished track record of being stone deaf to reason. this is list You are subscribed for many years, I still do not understand, why are You here so long, if You are writing words about habituals or sect now. Use link bellow for unsubscribe and You will be free. Thank You I am free. During most of 2009 and the whole of 2010 I didn't write to this list. My being here now is thanks to another fuc^Hpped up release of a major new version. It's quite probable that after this you won't hear from me for another year (or 2 or 3). Or perhaps you won't hear from me ever again. I don't know. Does this answer satisfy you? Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Filters fix yet. Hardd to believe
On Mon, 9 May 2011 15:01:42 +0200, Dierk Haasis wrote: I don't come here to engage in a completely fruitless debate on whose is longer [no, not what you think; I meant breath]. I don't either. I just mentioned some examples of outdated, superfluous, useless and irritating leftovers, in order to show that TB! hasn't been rebuilt from scratch, like some (ar least 1) people seem to believe. That's all. But then someone else wanted to argue about the uselesness of these features. That's fine. I'll answer him. I don't come here to throw invectives at a company and their employees - for the very simple reason that it does not help. I know. And I also know that as soon as I've left the building everyone has forgotten about me instantly. That's a nice thing to know. You've made your point, move on. That's exactly what I implied. Some people seem to feel offended by my messages. The stereotypical and most convenient way to deal with what they believe are troublemakers is: if you don't like it, then please, why don't you fuc^Hp off! I will do just that. But I can't promise I won't return. Is that hard to understand? Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Filters fix yet. Hardd to believe
On Sun, 8 May 2011 02:47:37 +0700, Thomas Fernandez wrote: v5 is a completely new software, as it is written from scratch, It's not. I'll quote from the original v5 announcement: |To: tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com |Subject: New versions of The Bat! |From: Maxim Masiutin m...@ritlabs.com |Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:45:36 +0300 | |Hello, Tbbeta. | |The new version will be version 5.0. | [...] |The changes to the program are the most significant that we have ever made from version to version. |We have removed 1.7MB or old source code so far, and are using the new code instead. The program |internal architecture is changed to allow smooth IMAP implementations and many new improvements |like undo/redo for message management, and so on. [...] Some examples of code left untouched: - Numbered Re in follow-up Subject lines. Like Re[1]:, Re[2]: etc. This is Beta! specific, non RFC behaviour. It breaks threading-by- subject in other mail clients. It's just as awful as the erroneously translated Av: Antw: subject prefixes of some old Outlook Express versions. - Initialized quote prefixes, like: AdG quoted text. This is a non RFC compliant method of quoting and is not recognized by other mail clients. - Message-ID url's. TB! uses mid:localpart@server, which is useless in other mail clients. It's these and other features like mugshots and betamoticons that lead me to believe that Beta! developers and chronical beta! list habituals alike are living in a world of their own and are impervious and hostile towards input from outside. Like I said before: it just behaves like some kind of sect. Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif (1/1)
On Sat, 7 May 2011 13:43:20 -0300, Simon Martin wrote: Could someone who is NOT using Courier please save the mail, zip it and PM it to me please. Just out of curiosity I did a little test of my own. - In Forte Agent I saved the offending message in Unix Mailbox format. The relevant parts of this message are these: Header: |MIME-Version: 1.0 |Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii |Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Body: |begin 644 thebat_error_20110430.gif |M1TE.#EAT@'`'``P`T@'`*?Z^OKP[_#K\_-H8V=B7F%Y=7C7U]=` [Snip bulk of UUEncoded part] |+0*2[]E%P;D```#N[ |` |end | | | Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: |http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html This means the .gif file is part of the message BODY and is NOT an attachment. - I started the latest Alfa/Beta/Release/Whatever version of TB! (5.0.12.1) and imported the message (Tools - Import Messages - From Unix-mailboxes.) It displays fine but now the message looks like this: Header: |MIME-Version: 1.0 |Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=--E013D5220A8938 Body: |E013D5220A8938 |Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii |Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit | | | | | | Current beta is 5.0.10.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: |http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html | | | | |E013D5220A8938 |Content-Type: application/octet-stream; | name=thebat_error_20110502.gif |Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-uuencode | |begin 644 thebat_error_20110502.gif |M1TE.#EAV`',`'``P`V`',`*?Z^OKM\?/ZZF:FIJGIZ?5UM:WMK:@ [Snip bulk of UUEncoded part] |/6S=JJW3.'L`%$![ |` |end |E013D5220A8938-- This means the .gif file now is an attachment. For clarity: this also means TB! is not just simply importing messages but modifies them while importing. I am not quite sure if it should be allowed to do that. Another strange thing happened when I saved the message from TB! in Unix Mailbox format. There are two methods: 1) File - Save as... 2) Tools - Export message to - Unix mailbox Both methods save a file with extension .mbox, even if I try to override it by putting an extension like .txt at the end of the name. What's also weird is that I cannot change the name of the file while TB! is still active. I have to close TB! in order to rename the file. It looks like, one way or another, TB! keeps the saved file in memory instead of releasing it, like it should do (imho, of course...) Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Filters fix yet. Hardd to believe
On Sun, 8 May 2011 14:54:09 +0200, Marek Mikus wrote: RFC can not contain anything what any developer implements and there is no reason to remove feature which exists 10 years, BTW it is turned off by default. Yes, and 10 years ago headers were named kludges. There is even less reason to keep this feature in. All it does is cause confusion. Nothing more. [Initialized quote prefixes] again this is configurable by macro, so user can decide when use this feature. The question is: why would anyone want to use it? Like the first feature I mentioned it doesn't serve any purpose whatsoever, and it is a possible source of confusion. - Message-ID url's. TB! uses mid:localpart@server, which is useless in other mail clients. false, it is not used in headers. I did not mention headers (kludges). It's some kind of URL, only useful for fellow Beta! users. In Forte Agent I can doubleclick on a Message-ID anywhere in the message and it finds the correct message. If I want to search for a malformed Beta! specific Message URL I have to open it in an editor and edit it. It's completely useless! Ritlabs should have implemented a method like Agent uses in the first place, instead of inventing its own strange workaround. And if other clients does not support it, this is reason to remove it from TB? Why?? Because it adds useless complexity into a mail client that's already bloated and bug-ridden. Ritlabs should grab any opportunity to remove crappy, bug-prone and/or idiosyncratic uselesness from the code in order to make it leaner, meaner and easier to use and maintain. But they won't do that. It's these and other features like mugshots and betamoticons that lead me to believe that Beta! developers and chronical beta! list habituals alike are living in a world of their own and are impervious and hostile towards input from outside. Like I said before: it just behaves like some kind of sect. You should comment something You understand and know about, somebody could call You stupid. As I see, You are here to create flames only, You should use another list instead. Thank You And thank you too for proving my point. Imperviousness, hostility and obliviousness regarding things that really matter. You say I am dropping flame-bait, I say I am just speaking the (uneasy) truth. Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No Filters fix yet. Hardd to believe
On Sat, 7 May 2011 07:18:55 -0400, Joe wrote: To be honest, I read these lists and I usually get a laugh out of people venting. At least there's nothing wrong with your sense of humor. Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.10 MSI - thebat_error_20110430.gif
On Fri, 6 May 2011 05:30:25 +0700, Thomas wrote: begin 644 thebat_error_20110430.gif ... snip I wonder where this begin 644 comes from. It means literally: now follows an Uuencoded block. I've forgotten most about the backgrounds but I still remember Uuencoding is one of the first (perhaps even the first) methods to convert binary data into text (and back). If you want to know more about it see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uuencode In any case Uuencode and MIME are completely different things. I don't know the the exact cause of this specific Beta! problem, but I suspect it's The Beta!'s inability to recognize _inline_ Uuencoded text. I use Forte Agent. In Agent one has the choice how to handle binary text. MIME or Uuencoded. Inside the message text body or as an attachment. Which means Agent has no trouble whatsover recognizing Uuncoding in Usenet AND email messages. Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.12.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.12 MSI - Virtual folder lost - NOT A RECOMMENDED UPDATE
On Tue, 3 May 2011 10:27:46 +0100, Tony wrote: NOT A RECOMMENDED UPDATE. On the Beta! WWWebsite it says: To avoid data loss, create backup files before installing or upgrading the program! Source: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=3409 At least they're warning in advance. Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.10.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.6 - Virtual folders
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 14:17:35 -0400, Rick wrote: I am curious. You complain a lot about the Bat. No, I don't. Are you reporting the issues that bother you, I did report the rather outdated Help file more than 2 years ago, without any hope of RL taking care of it. Now, out of curiosity, I installed v5 and indeed, the Help file hasn't changed a bit. After that I wiped it of my hard disk. getting confirmations and entering them in the bug tracker? I don't use the program anymore, because I learned my lesson many years ago. From time to time I do check a new release version to check what is wrong with it now, and I'm never disappointed. It just wonders me why some people still defend it so vehemently, despite its worsening state of maintenance and development. That's all. Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.6 - Virtual folders
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:33:31 -0500, Dwight wrote: Some of their implementations are superior to anything else out there Yes, we've all heard that before. More than once... and it continues to be true. Yes. Over the years I've learned that Beta! Fanboy's reactions fall into 3 rather stereotypical categories: 1) They announce it's up and running 2) They thank the developers for their hard work and wish them a good night's sleep / happy weekend with lots of rest / a well deserved vacation. 3) When they feel TB! is being unfairly criticized they invariably argue that their beloved toy can do things that no other mail client can do. The 3d argument is, of course, true. In more than one sense. Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.7 (Priority List)
On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:35:46 +0100, Marck wrote: One argument is that software with known bugs is never releasable. I even once held that view myself. As software and its sphere of use and influence ever expands, so this ideal goal slips ever further into the distance. 4) All software has bugs, even known bugs. All I can advise you to do is to just read the comments on the 5.0.8 realease again. And a bit more thoroughly this time. It's not about bugs, known or unknown, it's about real annoyances and problems, experienced by people who have to pay mony for it. In short, they let people pay for software that has trouble with basic functions, like filtering and virtual folders. Moreover, it did take less than a day after release to notice those problems. I think that's a crying shame. Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.6 - Virtual folders
On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:41:56 +0200, Mark wrote: Let's conclude that part of this thread by adding that these reactions invariably are given in answer to postings made by what in (y)our language is called an azijnpisser, a translation from the French pisse-vinaigre. 5) The best method to defend yourself against what is in yout eyes unjust or unfair criticism is to put the motives of the critic in question. Which reminds me of standard sect defense behaviour. Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.6 - Virtual folders
On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 14:37:23 +0200, Mark Partous wrote: Now you can call me whatever you want, I won't react anymore: someone has to stop this pointless conversation. 6) If you're starting to suspect you have no longer control over the conversation or feel you're are in danger of losing the plot, just make one last killer statement and announce your retirement from the discussion. Now remember this? |To: tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com |Subject: Re: Nice new Features of Filters |From: Arjan de Groot ale...@.x.nl |Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:57:05 +0200 | |On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:03:17 +0200, Mark Partous wrote: | |[Code Rot] | |Daar geloof ik nu eens niks van! :-) | |Translated: I do not believe any of this! :-). | |OK. Read this: | |http://www.objectmentor.com/resources/articles/Principles_and_Patterns.pdf | |I'll quote just a very small part of this very interessing |document: | |Fragility. Closely related to rigidity is fragility. Fragility is |the tendency of the software to break in many places every time it |is changed. Often the breakage occurs in areas that have no |conceptual relationship with the area that was changed. Such |errors fill the hearts of managers with foreboding. Every time they |authorize a fix, they fear that the software will break in some |unexpected way. | |Now does that sound familiar? You didn't answer that message either. Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.9.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 5.0.9.6 - Virtual folders
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 15:36:27 -0400, Rick wrote: They rewrote the program and are fixing bugs as fast as they can Yes, it's just the same old story with a long grey beard. They are reworking the program, they are trying hard to fix bugs and while they do that are introducing new bugs at at least the same rate as the fixing. They did it in v2 (with lots of unhappy customers), they repeated it in v3 (with less lots of unhappy customers), they did it again it in v4 (not so many customers were unhappy now, because lots of them had become aware of the reoccurring pattern and choose another email solution) and now they are doing it all over again in v5 (the few die-hards who still use it are still unhappy, save a handful of uncurable optimistics). Some of their implementations are superior to anything else out there Yes, we've all heard that before. More than once... Arjan -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.9.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB! 5.X.X Help File
Opened a new entry in Altiris Software Virtualization Solution, installed the latest publicly available Beta version of TB! (5.0.8; don't tell me it's a Release version!), started TB! checked if the included key was correct (it was). Then I opened Help Topics . What does it say? What's new in version 3. Me thinks the Help file is in need of an update! (Anyway, the Welcome Message displayed just fine.) Arjan -- I am here to lose control -- I am here to lose control Current beta is 5.0.9.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.44.2 to 5.0.8
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:36:00 +0200, Viktor Kabelac wrote: Funnywise this reminds me on all the GFs I tried to teach the same: speak up on time, Which has been done, numerous times, for at least five (5), if not ten (10) years. Incessantly. don't silently expect and be disappointed later. There is nothing to be disappointed about. Anyone who has been monitoring the Beta! development of The Beta! for some time should have expected this. There are more important things to be dissapointed or angry about. Like deforestation or global climate change. Arjan Current beta is 5.0.8.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Respect (was: New MSI on Ritlabs site)
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:57:20 -0500, Vili wrote: I think, TB reached a critical step. It has reached that step 5 (or more) years ago. Nowadays it surely looks like the only people who are still defending The Beta! are the alpha-testers who get their upgrades for free. Arjan -- [Non-text ... etc] Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Respect (was: New MSI on Ritlabs site)
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:13:55 -0500, Gleason wrote: Nowadays it surely looks like the only people who are still defending The Beta! are the alpha-testers who get their upgrades for free. Depends on where you look. I'm sorry that I forgot to mention the reglular amoats. Arjan -- [I'm sorrry that I forgot the appropriate Lucky Luke episode] Current beta is 4.2.13.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upload to IMAP folder broken
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:02:48 +0200, Volker Ahrendt wrote: We will release the completely new IMAP implementation that will have no bugs previously reported. In other words the new implementation will have brandnew bugs? Cool! Yes, and when that finally happens the sole surviving Beta! tester will answer with: Up running. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.10.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.10.12
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:43:27 +0300, Maxim Masiutin wrote: We are planning to [blabla bla bla blabla bla bla blablabla] Any plans for an updated Help file, anywhere in the foreseeable future? The most recent one is more than 2 years old and not very context friendly anymore. Arjan -- Winamp now playing: Nirvana -- Rape Me Current beta is 4.2.10.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.10.12
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:51:22 +0200, Mackley wrote: Up and running here Me2 without Themida encrypted compressed executable ?? Yes, without Themida encrypted compressed executable. Arjan -- [Non test portions of ths message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.10.12 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:47:35 +0200, Carsten Guthardt-Schulz wrote: I can confirm that it is broken here. @Ritlabs: This is a new bug that was just introduced recently, it worked not so long ago. I tried it in v. 4.2.10.1, which afaik is the latest release version. It just doesn't change anything at all. When I clicked the Help button it said: Missing context help topic 11027. I wouldn't call this function broken. It's just completely absent. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: shortcut editor broken
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:56:02 -0400, Rick wrote: Is there any program out there that has delayed sending ... that works? In one of your previous messages you stated that delayed sending worked a couple of beta's ago. So why not stay with that version until (hopefully) this bug is being fixed? IMHO using TB! comes down to just doing that. Keep with the version that works best for you and has the least annoying bugs. There have always been bugs in TB! and there always will be. So if you're relatively satisfied with one version, be happy to use that. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.10.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: problems reading certain html messages with latest betas
On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 07:08:03 -0500, Dwight Corrin wrote: No problem here with HTML messages. I cannot check IMAP or MAPI. have you tried the samples uploaded to bug tracker? https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7696 I've tried all four samples from the bug tracker and I can only confirm. The msi version displays them correctly while the latest beta only shows them partially and has also trouble with scrolling. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.10.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: problems reading certain html messages with latest betas
On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:05:09 +0700, Thomas Fernandez wrote: All display partly here (not sure whether it is because my setting in the URL manager), but the message I just uploaded, Logistics Digest 10 August, displays perfectly for less than a second and then suddenly turns blank. Now that's what I call odd!! Funny. I opened this message, allowed http://gm-link.com/tm_image.asp?c=37059x=0u=sta...@ttis.co.thorc.gif in the URL Manager, watched the message appear... and disappear. However, after this first disappearing act it displayed just fine. Then I opened the URL Manager again, removed the link, restarted TB!, opened the message, and guess what? ;-) Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.10.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: problems reading certain html messages with latest betas
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 07:32:34 +0700, Thomas Fernandez wrote: [Disappearing HTML message] I don't guess. There are two possiblilities, and due to your emoticon in the context, the probability that the message did not disappear any more is greater than the other choice. Yet it _did_ disappear. Somehow permitting TB! to download the link(s) seems to cause this behaviour. OTOH blocking the link seems to make the message disappear if you try to watch it twice. All in all it looks like a very weird riddle to me. So, you are saying that the linked .gif (which didn't display in the URL in my browser) made the message disappear? Is that WAD? It looks like it. But it also looks like it's not consistent. I really don't know what to make of it. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.10.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: problems reading certain html messages with latest betas
On Friday 21 augustus 2009, 11:18:53 PM mse wrote, The HTML engine, the MAPI engine and the IMAP engine are all broken, So far I didn't encounter any HTML viewing troubles in my fresly installed Beta! 4.2.10.5 copy, but the very simple (no filters etc) IMAP account I set up is completely useless unusable. It shows No message loaded for almost all selected mesages. As far as I can see, it started in v4.2.10.4 HTML-messages that were displayed acceptable fine aren't readable any more. I think you have to provide RL with some samples of non-readable HTML messages, because the messages I tried myself just showed OK in 4.2.10.5. Arjan -- [Non text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.10.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Nice new Features of Filters
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:03:17 +0200, Mark Partous wrote: [Code Rot] Daar geloof ik nu eens niks van! :-) Translated: I do not believe any of this! :-). OK. Read this: http://www.objectmentor.com/resources/articles/Principles_and_Patterns.pdf I'll quote just a very small part of this very interessing document: Fragility. Closely related to rigidity is fragility. Fragility is the tendency of the software to break in many places every time it is changed. Often the breakage occurs in areas that have no conceptual relationship with the area that was changed. Such errors fill the hearts of managers with foreboding. Every time they authorize a fix, they fear that the software will break in some unexpected way. Now does that sound familiar? Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.9.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Nice new Features of Filters
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:39:13 +0200, Mark Partous wrote: I they stop developement in Moldavia, simply checking the Source to an OpenSource Project and wait one year, then you will see what The Bat! could be able to be like... That may be a little bit optimistic. Just do a Google search on code rot and you will know why. If you only know one note, don't try to sing. Yes, that's exactly why I recommended some reading stuff on code rot. Arjan -- [Don't try to sing if you ain't got that swing] Current beta is 4.2.9.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Nice new Features of Filters
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 06:04:23 +0200 (CEST), i...@mikus.cz wrote: [Snipped Private Header Bits] To: tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com In-Reply-To: onts65hvs3pg3qgpq8bnbd1054q9fqn...@linu.demon.nl References: 123815479.20090725233...@gmx.de 503540189.20090726004...@nosuchdomain.com tccn65htli25631p88k7h9eh6cot270...@linu.demon.nl 893849071.20090726081...@gmx.de ku5p65lrbc8cc5m5va4i0r13qfncblu...@linu.demon.nl 1061343350.20090727103...@partous.com onts65hvs3pg3qgpq8bnbd1054q9fqn...@linu.demon.nl Subject: Re: Nice new Features of Filters From: i...@mikus.cz Message-Id: 20090728040423.4e34516a0...@melissa.ipex.cz Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 06:04:23 +0200 (CEST) Dobry den, do 7.8. jsem mimo kancelar, v urgentnich zalezitostech prosim kontaktujte kolegu na emailu pavel.zo...@ipex.cz. Im out of office till 7.8. contact please collegue at email pavel.zo...@ipex.cz. Marek Mikus You Did It Again !!! Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.9.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Nice new Features of Filters
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:15:46 +0200, Jens Franik wrote: I they stop developement in Moldavia, simply checking the Source to an OpenSource Project and wait one year, then you will see what The Bat! could be able to be like... That may be a little bit optimistic. Just do a Google search on code rot and you will know why. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.9.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Nice new Features of Filters
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 00:46:29 +0200, Peter Meyns wrote: my Filter for Conrad Elektronics Sender contains @conrad.de is sorting out a Message from @googlemail.com - Very nice Henry. Strange. My conrad.de filter works just fine. :) Trying to confuse the Ritlabs programmers is not very nice. It could lead to unwanted development issues and further delays in IMAP improvement. Arjan -- Winamp now playing: R.E.M. - Talk About The Passion Current beta is 4.2.9.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.9.2
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 12:14:21 +0200, Mackley wrote: now, thai messages are broken with PlainText and RichText/HTML viewer. With Courier or MS Sans serif - all settings showed the same broken result. :( Confirmed. Are these fonts Unicode ? I didn't investigate any further. I just replaced the 4.2.9.1 exe (which showed Thai characters) with the 4.2.9.2 exe (which showed squares) and confirmed. I'm glad Thomas can now read his Thai mail again, but I'm afraid any deeper delving into the latest development sh^Htuff will prove to be a little bit too much for my delicate constitution. Arjan -- Winamp now playing: The Breeders - Fate To Fatal Current beta is 4.2.9.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.9.2
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:10:13 +0200, Miroslav Florensen wrote: now, thai messages are broken with PlainText and RichText/HTML viewer. With Courier or MS Sans serif - all settings showed the same broken result. :( Confirmed. Arjan -- Winamp now playing: Isis - Hall of the Dead Current beta is 4.2.9.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thai
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:04:11 +0700, Thomas Fernandez wrote: We would prefer RAR-compressed attachments to the bugtracker, in future. Well noted. Just for the record: I didn't encounter any problem whatsoever downloading and viewing your .eml file from the bugtracker. Which leads to the preliminary conclusion that [connection reset] Arjan -- Winamp now playing: Tortoise - Prepare Your Coffin Current beta is 4.2.7.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.7.2
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:32:20 +0100, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: No, but as a software publisher, I have often been in contact with various AV publishers about false positives. They are human. They are programmers. They make mistakes in some updates to the rules they issue and these have to be pointed out to them. Did you read the Themida discussion that Marek Mikus linked to? This discussion took place two years ago. So Ritlabs could have known what they got themselves into when they decided to protect their software with Themida. It's just the same story all over again. Years ago there used to exist an anti-spam plugin named BayesIt! There have been numerous discussions about problems with BayesIt! on this list. Still, although it was crystal clear to anyone that it didn't work as advertised, Ritlabs decided to bundle it with TB! It is very simple. With Themida you _know_ you will run into trouble. And in the meantime the piracy just goes on. Arjan Current beta is 4.2.7.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.7.2
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:11:00 +0200, Marek Mikus wrote: It is very simple. With Themida you _know_ you will run into trouble. And in the meantime the piracy just goes on. please clarify how piracy goes on with protected exe with impossible cracking Google is your friend. Arjan -- Winamp now playing: Blur - Battle Current beta is 4.2.7.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Specifiying a language in date formatting
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:36:26 +0700, Thomas Fernandez wrote: I see Ritlabs is now focussing in on their target group: 1.) Computer freaks who would be interested what format is used behind the scenes, rather than consistency in the user interface. Nah, it's a New Feature, still fresh, and still interesting for Ritlabs to talk about. In a few weeks they will have lost interest because there will be a new New Feature. 2.) People who don't read Thai-language emails. I think it is always good to focus, otherwise the customer base would too vast and too difficult to handle. Good move! I can understand this from a business point of view. Thailand is a poor country, it has a strange difficult language and it is money-wize of minor importance to Ritlabs. Everyone knows software piracy is rampant in those parts of Asia and it is very easy to get hold of a cracked Beta! copy. So why invest time money on im- proving something that hardly if at all will be worth the trouble? Arjan Current beta is 4.2.7.1 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.7.2
On Woensdag 15 juli 2009, 10:03:24 PM Rick wrote, What's new in 4.2.7.2 since 4.2.7.1: [-] Fixed a few typos in the interface [-] (#0007640) Using the %Postpone macro sees a spell check done twice [-] (#0007549) Antivirus plugins sometimes didn't work Up and running Me2 Arjan -- [Non text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.7.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.2.7.2
On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:16:13 +1000, Ian A. White wrote: I suppose it is borderline, however it is something that RITLabs has done that has caused this problem. Yes. They wanted to protect The Beta! from piracy. However until now all attempts to armour their software against it have been in vain. It is still perfectly possible for anyone who wants to run an illegal copy of even the most recent beta Beta! version. So it surely looks like Ritlabs have shot themselves in the foot again. The medicin (Themida) has proved to be worse than the illness. Arjan -- [Non text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.7.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat Icon and Windows 7 (Working)
On Thursday 18 juni 2009, 5:45:19 AM Scott Sims wrote, Second point, Why post if you don't have anything meaningful to say? Primarily because silly questions tend to tickle my Reply button, secundarilyly because I wanted to test Delayed Sending and tertiary because I wanted to try out pseudo random tagline engineering. Arjan -- Winamp now playing : Grizzly Bear -- Dory Current beta is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat Icon and Windows 7 (Working)
On Thursday 18 June 2009, 1:57:40 AM Scott Sims wrote, As of The Bat! v4.2.6 the icon is again flashing/moving in Windows 7, on the taskbar. It doesn't flash/move in your attached jpg though... So glad. When was this fixed? Somewhere between the version that didn't move/flash your icon in Win7 and the version that moved/flashed your icon in Win7. Arjan -- [ Current beta is 4.2.6] Current beta is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Strange quoting (Wa: Re: delayed sending)
On dinsdag 16 juni 2009, 11:41:31 PM Marek Mikus wrote, = Message should have been sent 23:12:05 +0200. – Now (23:27) the message is still in the outbox, i.e. TEST FAILED. I have set +5min and message was sent correctly Strange. Volker put = in his message, but your quote made = of it, while my quote made it =. Shouldn't that have been = and = respectively? Arjan -- [Delaying this message untill 01:00] Current beta is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2.6
On Sunday, June 14, 2009, 12:57:44 AM, Paul wrote: The Bat! 4.2.6 is available at Up and Running here. Me 2 !!! Arjan -- [[Winamp now playing: Creedence Clearwater Revival -- Bad Moon Rising] Current beta is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2.6
On Saturday 13 juni 2009, 11:28:00 PM Bob Riley wrote, With further experience, the Tip of the Day window, while functional, lingers quite a while before disappearing when starting up. Can anyone confirm? I'm sorry but I can't confirm. The Tips Of The Day are as fast as they used to be. Arjan -- [Winamp now playing: Dinosaur Jr -- Plans Current beta is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:53:20 -0400, Vili wrote: I dont know if you have to say anything. They know I think that the help is old. Rewriting the help file is a time consuming and boring job. I think at Ritlabs there is a tendency to try to avoid and/or postpone boring and/or difficult jobs. That's why version 4.2 has Postponed Sending (implementation of which was, I guess, exciting and fun to do), but still no advancements in IMAP. I believe Ritlabs are facing a hard time. There are still lots of bugs to be fixed, improvement of IMAP functionality has to be done and the help file has to be updated. These are all jobs RL are not looking forward to. But, they will have to be done in order to save their credibility. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:52:55 -0400, Ethan J Mings wrote: And so the negative, unhelpful comments continue. The positive, helpful approach has been tried numerous times. See for example MaXxX's contributions in the archives. All positive, helpful attempts proved to be in vain. If you want to keep up hope, that's fine. But please don't hold your breath. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On woensdag 10 juni 2009, 3:09:05 PM Gleason wrote, The good news is that TB makes it easy to consign voices like this to the bit bucket. Of course you may dislike my contributions and you're not obliged to read them, but I think showing off your self-righteousness like this is a little bit childish. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On woensdag 10 juni 2009, 7:34:04 PM Ethan J Mings wrote, Calling the moderator. Can you please put an end to this thread! I wholeheartedly agree with Ethan, Rick and Jens. This list is not meant for killing dead horses, but for fruitful discussions about Beta! development. That's why I just downloaded a fresh copy of TB! 4.2.4 and tried to install it on my computer. Alas, for some unknown reason the .msi package refused to install, so I had to manually extract the exe file and copy it to the program directory. I've already set up an IMAP account at my regular provider and now I'm fully set-up prepared for thorough critical testing of this feature in current and future Beta! versions. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On donderdag 11 juni 2009, 12:50:23 AM Rick wrote, //=== - - - - - - - - - - - - - +___ [plop] Plus 1 anyone? You should try to keep your balloon away from burning cigarettes, Rick. Anyway, I think I already spotted a bug in TB! 2.4.2. When I tried to get Help on changing View Modes (Options - Preferences - Message List - View Modes Select View Mode - Edit) and clicked the Help button, I got this: Missing context help topic 11026. What is your opinion on that, Rick? Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On donderdag 11 juni 2009, 12:50:23 AM Rick wrote, Plus 1 anyone? I think I spotted a bug in TB! 4.2.4. When I tried to get Help on changing View Modes (Options - Preferences - Message List - View Modes Select View Mode - Edit) and clicked the Help button, I got this: Missing context help topic 11026. After re-examining the problem I came to the preliminary conclusion that the probable cause of this bug is a not quite uptodate help file (It says: What's new in version 3). Perhaps it is a good idea for Ritlabs to rewrite the help file and actualize it for version 4.x.x.x? Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 11:34:26 -0400, Gleason Pace wrote: Certainly those hopefuls are having too much fun to allow themselves to be run off. In a way it is funny indeed, because everything is so predictable. Release 4.1 was an unpleasant surprise for many users, because they were, suddenly without warning, reduced to unregistered status. V. 4.1, in hindsight, also needed important bugfixes, which led to: Release 4.2, which has above mentioned important bugfixes, but also, amongst other symptoms, Postponed Sending, messed-up Tips- Of-The-Day and broken OTFE. This is specifically funny for seasoned TB! users, because they know these cock-ups are not merely incidental accidents, but an integral and important part of Ritlabs' software release history. For example, almost 5 years ago I tried to install an early 3.x release version which had some inferior Bayesian plug-in (Bayes-It!) integrated. The result of those attempts: Access Violations all over the place and a plug-in that resisted uninstallment at all cost. This is just a single example. Soon after this disaster I gave up on TB! and since then I only use it for archiving purposes. Believe me. I've been on TBUDL and TBBETA since version 1.4x and it has always been like this (and I guarantee you it will always be like this). Nothing surprises me anymore.Each new Ritlabs blunder just fills me with mild amusement. Otherwise I couldn't care less. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:16:34 -0400, Gleason Pace wrote: One thing that could be done is that the rest of us Us is a rapidly shrinking minority on these lists. could agree that there is no sense communicating with people who have nothing but vituperation to contribute. Suit yourself. Messages like this merely add to my amusement. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:14:40 -0400, Gleason Pace wrote: 4.2 is minor upgrade with more bugfixes than additions, yes, postponed sending is available, but there are importans bugfixes and this is reason this version was released as final. IMHO Ritlabs should have done this important bugfixing _before_ releasing version 4.1 to the general public. The mentioned above statements were done during 4.1.x series, so the next release would be 4.2.x, i.e. *this* release. By the way wasn't it you, who had the same opinion some months ago? The quotes say Imap after the 4.1 series. 4.2 is the product of that series of betas. So now, how about some reduced invective while they do what they said? I didn't read any invective in his message. In fact it is a polite and accurate reminder of statements about IMAP development, made 6 (six) months (!) ago. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again IMAP Support (was: The Bat! 4.2 release)
On maandag 8 juni 2009, 11:55:39 PM Marek Mikus wrote, [... ] our customers requested version without problem with DEP detection under Windows 2008 Server, version with fixed incorrect handling of MIME boundary, versions with fixed templates in filtering system, version with fixed quick templates in massmail, version with fixed dragdrop etc. And this is 4.2. So, if I understand correctly, those customers requested fixes were discovered _after_ the release of version 4.1? Says a lot about the quality of the beta team[*], doesn't it? Arjan -- [*] Up and running! Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.2 release
On zondag 7 juni 2009, 8:11:45 PM Raymund Tump wrote, And: I think someone with knowledge about that posted that 4.2 will be the version with IMAP working. Obviously that was marketing. IIRC, IMAP development will be continued AFTER the establishment of the new database format. Which could mean anytime, from v. 4.1 onward until v. 68876589.3245234.12341231.00457734 onward. The only reason that I'm still with The Bat! is that I really like the MicroEd. But with my major account not working from time to time this advantage gets smaller and smaller. The only reason I'm still using TB! is its superior filtering-to-file capability. It has its flaws, but for me it's still the best method for non-attendance e-mail archiving. Arjan -- [Non text portions of this message have been reomoved] Current beta is 4.2.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP
On Sat, 30 May 2009 22:51:23 +0200, Robert Tomanek wrote: [R-O-A-D-M-A-P aka R-E-L-E-A-S-E P-L-A-N] Not a relative one (next version, after...) but an absolute one (by next month). But we are not going to get it. It would be just a PITA for Ritlabs (an obligation they don't want). I don't believe Ritlabs have a plan let alone any clue which parts of the source code they will be hacking after next week. Arjan -- Euh... Let's do some... euh... bug fixing? -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.14.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Vista 64 issues
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:42:14 +0100, Peter Fjelsten wrote: I am not running the latest version of TB*, [Big snip] * Due to the failure to deliver proper IMAP Someone, quite recently, called me a troll on this List... ... while I'm merely being sarcastic[*]. ([*] Explanation for the up and running sayers: I'm being sarcastic because you'll presumably have to pay for a new version with even worse IMAP performance than the previous version.) Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.9.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Take out the fupping automatic update from the program
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 11:45:47 -0700, Bob Riley wrote: [Yet Another Ritlabs Cockup] I admire that quality in how they do business. They make mistakes, like all of us do, but they also do well in cleaning up and making the corrections afterward Let me quote from my very own message to this list mid:82kfk4pal3se13kb00cq0aq6c6jue77...@linu.demon.nl, dated Dec 16 2008: |This is not an incident, it has gone on for many, many years. Believe me. They will never learn. Arjan Current beta is 4.1.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Take out the fupping automatic update from the program
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 18:02:31 -0500, Rick wrote: [Yet Another Ritlabs Fupup] Believe me. They will never learn. Those who can - do. Those who can't - bitch about it. Up And Running! Arjan -- [Non text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Take out the foxxing automatic update from the program
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:03:53 -0500, Rick wrote: [Yet Another Faulty Ritlabs Buttplug] Believe me. They will never learn. Those who can - do. Those who can't - bitch about it. Up And Running! There ... now don't you feel BETTER? :) Necrophiliacs need love too! I think the word N**c is far more offensive than the word F**k. Arjan -- [Non text portions of this message have been removed] -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.9 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0.39.39 (BETA)
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:10:35 +0100, Martin Schuster wrote: I am going back to 4.0.32.4 as this is the last version that does not suffer from that bug and the other serious bug that makes messages disappear when folder properties are changed (introduced in 4.0.34 I think). So this implies these bugs are in Release version 4.0.38 too or need I say more? Arjan -- Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0.39.39 (BETA)
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:03:13 +0100, tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com wrote: Current beta is 4.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: Even our MailMan is confused! Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:57:31 +0100, Jens Franik wrote: developers wrote, new implementation of IMAP will be integrated after 4.1 release, because it uses new index file format introduced now, so stay tuned. Marek, i tried to use IMAP, but it did not work recently. If this is to become true in a near future, i might switch to IMAP for some Accounts to have the Mails on the Server. And of course a lot of people here which were waiting some long years would be very happy... In our country there is a saying which translates roughly as follows: a donkey doesn't hurt itself on the same stone twice. That's exactly the reason why I take this new implementation announcement with a pinch of salt. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 4.1.1.7
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:08:18 +0100, MAU wrote: [Exploring the depths of the Beta Cave] I could have said all the above by just saying Up running, but... ... my name is on the Credit Roll and I'm getting my upgrades for free. ;-) Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.1.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:06:24 +0200, Eddie Castelli wrote: What can I say? I have become a Ritlabs automaton. [] No you have become a BAT!holic. UR is just the same RITual as, let's say, skoal with a good glass of wine. [] Yes, Bat!holicism is like religion. Pray with me: Hail Ritlabs, full of grace, The Lord is with thee Blessed art thou among companies and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, The Beta!. Holy Ritlabs, Mother of The Beta!, pray for us users now and at the hour of our death. Amen Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fwd: Need help to find an alternative for TB
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:11:28 +0100, MAU wrote: The very last paragraph of the forwarded message: One more last thing. I don't want to start any further discussion with this message, so don't bother to reply unless you really think you can point a real alternative for me ;-) Is even more true today. You're missing the point. The reality is very simple. Fact 1: Ritlabs is advertising a Release Version (4.0.38) on its WWWebsite. Fact 2: There is a list of KNOWN issues and bugs in this Release Version. IMO, the courteous thing to do for Ritlabs would be to handle the issues, fix the bugs and provide the user (who isn't aware of the ongoing Alfa-, Beta-, RC- or whatever development and who probably doesn't need version 4.1.x) with a 4.0 Release Version that is as stable and usable as possible. Ritlabs doesn't do that. Instead they are throwing in yet another series of half baked Alfa- Beta-, RC- or whatever versions that have some bugs fixed and others introduced to a group of beta-testers who are just able to say: up and running. This is not an incident, it has gone on for many, many years. I have given up four years ago. I don't want to pay in order to be used as a guinea pig. If you are happy with it and want to continue using it, that's fine. But I think you should not try to obfuscate TheBat's troubles by merely trumpetting its virtues. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:34:31 -0500, Rick wrote: Well Mozilla has bountiful forums in which to complain. My tongue was firmly planted in my cheek when I posted that BTW :)) No, your reaction was very silly and also beside the point because I already stated that I had given up on The Beta! four years ago, and if you'd checked the headers of my message you would have seen that I'm using Forte Agent. There was supposed to be an upgrade fee for v4 and they pushed it back to v4.1. We are discussing bugs in a BETA forum (list) and people are complaining that the release is buggy. Uh .. YEAH! To me all The Beta! versions are the same. Alfa versions, Beta versions, Release Candidates, Releases... It's all the same old unfinished bussiness as usual. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:06:03 -0500, Rick wrote: Would you kindly condescend to clarify something for my feeble intelect? 1) You haven't used the bat in 4 years I still have an old version (v2.12) on one of my computers. I'm using it periodically with the purpose of archiving the e-mails that have been collected by my mail server. It has one major flaw. It tends to choke on retrieving when large amounts of mail are residing on my server. 500 or more I'd say. But I've found a work-around for that problem. 2) The various releases are all unfinished business as usual Let's just say The Beta! is an neverending nonstop piece of work in progress. WHAT are you doing here? There has been a time, during versions 1.x, when I saw real potential in The Beta! Version 2 would be a complete rewrite in C++ and IMAP would be implemented. So I still had my hopes. The reason I'm still lingering on on the The Beta! lists is a mixture of nostalghia and curiosity. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.1.5 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Need help to find an alternative for TB
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:52:50 +0100, Volker Ahrendt wrote: Let's just say The Beta! is an neverending nonstop piece of work in progress. like nearly 100% of all the other software. No, most software development is done step by step, feature by feature, improvement by improvement. Just curious Could you please be so kind and show me/us just one software, which is finished, i.e. *no* further work/improvement is needed, and which is completely bugfree, i.e. no further bugfixing/service packs are required. Forte Agent is an example of such software. On the Forte WWWebsite there is a roadmap. We know what we can expect in the next version. Beta testing is being done by a closed group of beta testers. And when version 5 will at last hit the main road we KNOW it will be a finished product without any easily discernable or obvious bugs. Development-wise, Forte Agent is the complete and absolute opposite of The Beta! Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:25:01 -0500, Rick wrote: Ich read this E-Mail-List, I test and evaluate this software, I take some time to answer questions or to ask some... why do I have to pay? We are ALL customers who VOLUNTEERED to beta test I guess yelling up and running in reply to any of the frequent Alfa-, Beta-, RC- or whatever version announcements, or answering questions of even more d*m***t*d The Beta! customers, doesn't really count as beta testing. On the other hand I also believe that Ritlabs has already awarded the few people who have actually made genuinly valuable contribu- tions to the The Beta! development with free upgrades to future versions. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Registration - v4.x
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:13:32 -0500, Rick wrote: Are you insinuating that they don't appreciate my well crafted up and running postings? I work hard on those! I'm sure Ritlabs are thrilled to bits by your revelatory communications, but alas they won't get you a free ride. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 4.1.1.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! 4.0
On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:22:24 +0300, Vilius umskas wrote: I beg to differ. Having a message base reside on a server is exactly what needs to be avoided. The message base that resides in encrypted form on the flash drive in my pocket is under my control. I will need to be killed for someone to have access to it. I will not be killed because someone hacked a server to find me or find a reason to kill me. IMAP is exactly what I do _not_ want! OK. Let me put it this way. It doesn't matter what are you using POP3 or IMAP4. If your mail server is breached then message base is compromised anyway. [] I might add that imo carrying sensitive information around in a hostile environment is always riskier than keeping it in the relative safety of a server. If you get caught by unfriendly forces a little bit of applied pressure may all be all that's needed to reveal the hidden secrets of your flash drive. Arjan Current beta is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:47:53 +0200, Peter Hampf wrote: My back-up is the webmail, which I hate. So do I - but in those situations (Internet cafe) it's often the only solution, simply because you are not allowed to run any program file. That would be pretty boring. Sitting in an Internet Cafe, not being able to run any program file. ;-) Anyway, for what it's worth: Forte Agent is the perfect portable solution for mailing in an Internet Cafe. No problems with registry settings or activation limitations whatsoever. The only thing needed is an agent.ini file with a valid registration key in it. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Activation Limit Exceeded with Voyager
On Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:01:30 +0200, Peter Hampf wrote: Anyway, for what it's worth: Forte Agent is the perfect portable solution for mailing in an Internet Cafe. Have you ever tried it in cafes with the above mentioned restrictions? Good luck! That's one of the two reasons why I wrote: for what it's worth. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current ALPHA is 3.86.03 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Slow redraw of main screen, try to find the cause
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:55:39 -0500, Vili asked: So, please answer this questions: 1. How many second is from the push of the Esc until you get back your original main screen? Estimate. 0.023 seconds. 2. What is you op.system (if XP, Prof or Home?, specify that English, Russian, etc.)? XP Pro NL 3. What is your service pack? SP2 4. When did you update your Windows last time? Do you have automatic update switched on? Couple of weeks ago (upgraded to sp2). No 5. What kind of CPU you have (speed, too), how much RAM you have. P3 (933MHz) 384 MB RAM. 6. What is your TB! version (I am kind of interested in the .14, last version)? 2.12.03 Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.62.14 is now available
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:38:55 +0100, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: So the .14 version is finally released and we start new beta cycle. Forgive my ignorance if you already wrote about it in the past, but whats the main focus of the new beta cycle? Just so that we know whats in. Or whats up. Or whats odd. :-) Well, it's only a guess of course, but my answer would be: new things. I also suspect it will be a v4 forerunner. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Context Menu remains after selection - cont.
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:37:25 -0500, Paul Van Noord wrote: Yes, but it is paid. Who would pay 300$ for incidect support, if Windows XP cost 100$. The guy with a Celeron 400 and 32 megs of RAM who feels really blessed to have a computer and doesn't even have the resources to buy 64mb RAM stick. I work with these people all over the world all the time. This guy with a Celeron 400 and 32 megs of RAM is willing to pay $ 300 for for incidect support (whatever that may be) yet cannot afford 64mb ram stick. Sounds a little bit paradoxical to me. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.62.10 is now available
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 15:25:50 -0500, Vili wrote: Henk: No more AV's with this version. Vili advised me to delete tbuser.def So I did! I can switch between the English language and the Dutch language, even exiting the program without those continuing AV's!! So, v.07 and up was ok, just your tbuser.def was messed up... Why is a good question... :( In an earlier message about these specific AV's Henk wrote: Between these two betas I fell back to the public 3.62 and that did not give me these AV's. The only conclusion I can draw from this is that his tbuser.def did NOT get messed up (otherwise he wouldn't have been able to switch languages in his previous public 3.62. So, something in the handling of tbuser.def in the later post release beta versions must have changed (gone wrong). Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.62.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Closes on mail check
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 03:55:06 +0100, Vili wrote: Rename your MAIL\tbuser.def file to tbuser.de , and try again. Yes, it worked; though a minor glitch: lost a custom toolbar. I start to think, that renaming this file solves all issue. It worked now for 3 of my customers and you and Henk :))) Note for users of previous versions of The Bat! - do not uninstall your existing copy of The Bat! - just install the new version over. It will save your breath and time. (*) (*) From: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.62.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:54:49 -0600, Greg Strong wrote: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files/the_bat/thebat_home_3-62.msi Installs and overwrites userdic.tlx. I suppose this is one reason the developers like the msi install option because they can learn about bugs on install, They should have learned that before releasing it on their main download page. but from the user's perspective I'd rather have the rar file without the install problem. Yeah, well. On the other hand this 3.62.09 version is supposed to be a release version (or a post release beta version, or whatever), primarily aimed at non suspecting non beta users.. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.62.09 is now available
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:48:22 +0100, Henk M. de Bruijn wrote: [Access Violations] Between these two betas I fell back to the public 3.62 and that did not give me these AV's. These last two betas are doing their best to spoil my pleasure of being a betatester :-( Henk, what you are trying to beta-test are the latest incarnations of the public 3.62 release version. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.62.07 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.28
On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 02:04:52 +0200, Mark Partous wrote: [TB! 3.5.28 won't start] using The Bat! Version 3.5.25 with MyMacros 1.11 Useless Macro Collection 2.1.1121 rc8 zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 2:23:23) on Did you try uninstalling the above mentioned applications before installing v3.5.28? Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.5.28 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.28
On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 03:16:28 +0200, Peter Ouwehand wrote: While shutting down TB I got: [Two Application Errors] A program which insists to be : The Bat! V3.5.28 (Home) An anti-spam filter which insists to be : Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.3 Have you tried deactivating or uninstalling this Bayes Filter Plugin? Multiple POP3, one gmail.com, one fastmail.fm IMAP I have FIVE POP3 accounts! (but no IMAP :-( Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.5.28 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Distributed AS IS
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:28:17 +0200, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: others (Total Commander comes to mind) seem to have the label bug alert printed all over them? Hu? TC never ever failed here. Depends on what you're doing with the programs, I assume. I think I'm only using the basic functionality of a lot of programs I'm using. :-) In my experience TC has a habit of hanging or crashing in certain non-standard situations like reading cd-r's with corrupted data. And there are some plug-ins causing problems... Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Distributed AS IS
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:44:09 -0700, Gleason Pace wrote: Getting excellency all around becomes a matter of odds. The more components you have working together the more likely it is that one of them will fail. True, but why is it that some programs (Forte Agent comes to mind) _never_ crash or show otherwise buggy behaviour, and others (Total Commander comes to mind) seem to have the label bug alert printed all over them? I think it's just too easy to put the blame on system complexity. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.26 - Parser module is invalid
On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:04:10 +0100, Goncalo Farias wrote: Tell me, are you a programmer? In other words, are you speaking from personal experience here? Yes. It seems that they're working blindfolded. They try to fix something and end up breaking other things. It seems that they fix things but don't try it to check for side effects. I truelly believe Ritlabs is trying the best it can, but I suspect TB!'s source code has become a little bit messy over the years. And my prediction is that it will only get worse. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Broken References (WAS: Re: [OT] Sarcasm)
On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:59:11 +0100, Tony Boom wrote: So it's Ro^Hitlabs that should do something about it. No, it isn't, it's my IMAP server that's causing the trouble, it has nothing to do with The Bat or Mulberry. I'll have to get onto them about it again see what they're doing about it. Ah, I see. It's the missing 's again. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OT: Broken References (WAS: Re: [OT] Sarcasm)
On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:48:17 +0100, Tony Boom wrote: No, please not. Please not again!!! Sorry, explained the reason, can't do anything about it. Indeed. Mulberry's Message-ID's are syntactically correct. The problem is TB! doesn't recognize them as such. So it's Ro^Hitlabs that should do something about it. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.5.25 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.21
On Sat, 28 May 2005 17:09:56 -0500, Mary Bull wrote: [Download any bat version from] http://files.nobat.ru/filemap Wow! Thank you so very much, Arjan. I'm going to save this URL in SmartBat. You're welcome. You have no idea how many MBs of space you're enabling me to set free. Well, uhm... I might have a slight idea ;-) I've just checked my own bat download folder. 80 MB! And then there's my collection of old download cd-r's... I have every msi and rar of every version of TB! I've ever downloaded, except the infamous 3.5.0.14. ;) I don't know if I've kept every bat version I ever downloaded, but at least I've managed to retrace the very first one. Which is version 1.45, dating from august 2000. Does that make me an oldbie or what? Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.21
On Sat, 28 May 2005 06:13:38 -0500, Mary Bull wrote: I have the zipped file of version 3.0.2.10.rar on my Hard Drive. (It's my favorite, although I am staying with the beta series because of my interest in helping with it.) I could try to send it to you by PM as an attachment, if you like. There's no need to send each other old bat executables by mail. You can download any version you like, even versions you don't ever want to see again, including all Pre- or Post Release Beta's, Alpha's, Pre Beta's, Release Candidates etc, from Version 1.0 onward, from: http://files.nobat.ru/filemap Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is 3.5.21 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On Thu, 19 May 2005 08:58:00 +0100, Tony Boom wrote: That's NOT good! These ones are OK aren't they? Not quite. Now your Reference header has two Message-IDs separated by nine spaces. But TB! can handle that. That was the point I tried to make. No, the point you tried to make is it was Mulberries fault, it wasn't. Well, if it makes you feel better... Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: First Impressions
On Thu, 19 May 2005 21:22:57 +0100, Tony Boom wrote: Well, if it makes you feel better... I didn't feel bad to start with! Yes, but now your Mail Transfer System has messed up my carefully reconstructeded References headerline again! Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
