[tw] Re: [TW5] Desirable core additions

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Adding to what Richard suggests, if you only want your special fields to 
appear, you can make a tiddler with $:/tags/ViewTemplate and populate it 
with:

\define allmine(field)
<$list filter="[all[current]has[$field$]]">
$field$: <$edit-text tag="input" field="$field$"/>

\end
<>
<>

Then just add as many <> macros as special fields you have. You 
can type right into these without the focus problem.

Good luck,
Mark



On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 8:22:58 PM UTC-7, RichardWilliamSmith wrote:
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that I feel your frustration. I've been 
> there lots of times - convinced that the thing I'm trying to do should be 
> simple and yet not being able to find a way to do it. Often I find that 
> whilst two things might seem equally complicated, one of them is trivial 
> and the other is impossible. Such is life.
>
> To help us address your first point, could you give a specific example of 
> something that you feel the current syntax should be able to do and can't? 
> Is it possible to get the desired behaviour by storing the values of your 
> constants in tiddler fields and referring to them directly?
>
> As to your second point; if you find any of the tiddlers tagged 
> with $:/tags/EditTemplate (for example $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/fields) and 
> add the tag $:/tags/ViewTemplate they will appear in the view template too. 
> Maybe this is a little more crude than you were imagining? It can be 
> improved upon by writing some UI of our own, if you have a specific idea of 
> how you'd like it to work. Is this basically what you meant?
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>

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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

[Lydean Works]

Not any more, but I have as much time as I need to work on it. If I can get
the concept working...

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 8:38 PM RichardWilliamSmith <
richardwilliamsm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> A data dictionary is only going to give you 1:1 mappings. I think Mark's
> on the right track - each tiddler has as many fields as it needs and each
> field can contain a list if it needs to. You can write an interface for
> entering/editing the information and you can transclude it into the view
> however you like. Do you have the original data in some other form? A
> spreadsheet for example? There should be a way to automate the creation of
> the tiddlers if you do.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

[RichardWilliamSmith]

A data dictionary is only going to give you 1:1 mappings. I think Mark's on 
the right track - each tiddler has as many fields as it needs and each 
field can contain a list if it needs to. You can write an interface for 
entering/editing the information and you can transclude it into the view 
however you like. Do you have the original data in some other form? A 
spreadsheet for example? There should be a way to automate the creation of 
the tiddlers if you do.

Regards,
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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

[Lydean Works]

I don't have anything right now for the TW5 version. Is there a 101 for
doing a data dictionary?

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 8:21 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Do you want to have 3 english fields, or would you prefer a single list
> field with as many words as relate (e.g. [[Wordy 1]] [[Wordy 2]] [[Wordy
> 3]]) ??
>
> You mention EnglishIndex tiddler. Does that mean that you have a data
> dictionary with english definitions, or were you referring to a group of
> tiddlers each with their respective English definitions? A data dictionary
> would let you make a simple word -> definition glossary.
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 5:51:54 PM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>>
>> I'm not worried about *maximum *flexibility as there are just too many
>> parts in an entry. The standard noun has the word, between one and ten
>> meanings; any irregularity; an abbreviated form for deriving words; notes;
>> the spelling, stress, IPA, and phonetic of the singular, plural, and
>> paucal; and at least one translated sentence. Verbs, adjectives, and
>> affixes are simpler. Stamps are making my life much easier.
>>
>> Still not sure how to do the English index. Some examples: 'chanyki' has
>> three meanings that would be listed separately (color, skin, and surface),
>> while 'chuBi, liBi, syBi,' and 'mymsy' would all be listed under 'here'.
>> I've given 'chanyki' three fields: english1, english2, and english3... I'm
>> sure there's a way to pull those three fields from each word entry and
>> match them up with their title on the EnglishIndex tiddler, I just don't
>> know how.
>>
>> Can y'all tell I'm not a programming person? :p
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 3:35:05 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> I would say that for maximum flexibility, instead of fixing the
>>> formatting, put the various bits of information into fields. Then use
>>> template tiddlers to display the field information as needed. If the
>>> information is stored as fields, then you can do things like list English -
>>> word - phonetic or put your comparable words in a list field and then for
>>> each english word you could also list each (??) word followed by its notes.
>>>
>>> Play with it a bit, of course, before committing to any one approach.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 3:03:34 PM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:

 Yes, I did that. I'm working on fixing all the old formatting. There's
 double because there's the lexicon entry itself then the english index
 entry. To use Spanish as an example instead of my weirdo language, there'd
 be the lexicon entries for 'ser' and 'estar' with their definitions, notes,
 and example sentences and the english index of 'to be'.

 On Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 2:52 PM Mat  wrote:

> Silvercat wrote:
>
> Any ideas of an easier and better way of doing it? My current method
>> effectively doubles the number of tiddlers needed and since I have over 
>> 300
>> words, it's kinda a pain.
>>
>
> Not really clear what "doing it" means, or exactly what you mean with
> "double" (maybe two tiddlers per word?) - but did you know that you can
> import a TW classic into a TW5 so you probably don't have to re-create 
> your
> actual word tiddlers?
>
> <:-)
>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Desirable core additions

[RichardWilliamSmith]

Hi Tony,

I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that I feel your frustration. I've been 
there lots of times - convinced that the thing I'm trying to do should be 
simple and yet not being able to find a way to do it. Often I find that 
whilst two things might seem equally complicated, one of them is trivial 
and the other is impossible. Such is life.

To help us address your first point, could you give a specific example of 
something that you feel the current syntax should be able to do and can't? 
Is it possible to get the desired behaviour by storing the values of your 
constants in tiddler fields and referring to them directly?

As to your second point; if you find any of the tiddlers tagged 
with $:/tags/EditTemplate (for example $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/fields) and 
add the tag $:/tags/ViewTemplate they will appear in the view template too. 
Maybe this is a little more crude than you were imagining? It can be 
improved upon by writing some UI of our own, if you have a specific idea of 
how you'd like it to work. Is this basically what you meant?

Regards,
Richard

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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Do you want to have 3 english fields, or would you prefer a single list 
field with as many words as relate (e.g. [[Wordy 1]] [[Wordy 2]] [[Wordy 
3]]) ??

You mention EnglishIndex tiddler. Does that mean that you have a data 
dictionary with english definitions, or were you referring to a group of 
tiddlers each with their respective English definitions? A data dictionary 
would let you make a simple word -> definition glossary.


Mark


On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 5:51:54 PM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>
> I'm not worried about *maximum *flexibility as there are just too many 
> parts in an entry. The standard noun has the word, between one and ten 
> meanings; any irregularity; an abbreviated form for deriving words; notes; 
> the spelling, stress, IPA, and phonetic of the singular, plural, and 
> paucal; and at least one translated sentence. Verbs, adjectives, and 
> affixes are simpler. Stamps are making my life much easier.
>
> Still not sure how to do the English index. Some examples: 'chanyki' has 
> three meanings that would be listed separately (color, skin, and surface), 
> while 'chuBi, liBi, syBi,' and 'mymsy' would all be listed under 'here'. 
> I've given 'chanyki' three fields: english1, english2, and english3... I'm 
> sure there's a way to pull those three fields from each word entry and 
> match them up with their title on the EnglishIndex tiddler, I just don't 
> know how.
>
> Can y'all tell I'm not a programming person? :p
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 3:35:05 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:
>
>> I would say that for maximum flexibility, instead of fixing the 
>> formatting, put the various bits of information into fields. Then use 
>> template tiddlers to display the field information as needed. If the 
>> information is stored as fields, then you can do things like list English - 
>> word - phonetic or put your comparable words in a list field and then for 
>> each english word you could also list each (??) word followed by its notes. 
>>
>> Play with it a bit, of course, before committing to any one approach.
>>
>> Good luck!
>> Mark
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 3:03:34 PM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, I did that. I'm working on fixing all the old formatting. There's 
>>> double because there's the lexicon entry itself then the english index 
>>> entry. To use Spanish as an example instead of my weirdo language, there'd 
>>> be the lexicon entries for 'ser' and 'estar' with their definitions, notes, 
>>> and example sentences and the english index of 'to be'. 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 2:52 PM Mat  wrote:
>>>
 Silvercat wrote:

 Any ideas of an easier and better way of doing it? My current method 
> effectively doubles the number of tiddlers needed and since I have over 
> 300 
> words, it's kinda a pain.
>

 Not really clear what "doing it" means, or exactly what you mean with 
 "double" (maybe two tiddlers per word?) - but did you know that you can 
 import a TW classic into a TW5 so you probably don't have to re-create 
 your 
 actual word tiddlers?

 <:-)

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Re: [tw] Re: Comments on an online service

[RichardWilliamSmith]

Hi Arlen,

How do you imagine a service like this would be better than existing 
storage/hosting solutions? What problem are you trying to solve? (is it 
about backup, synchronisation, collaboration, hosting or a bit of each?).

Personally, I'm never going to use a service where "you would get charged 
storage plus all of the traffic" unless I'm contracting directly with an 
actual service provider. At the very least, I would say, you'd need to 
break pricing into bands with different levels of service. People have 
become accustomed to the basic tier of such services being free (as 
unrealistic as this may be).

Regards,
Richard

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 7:36:13 AM UTC+10, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone for the suggestions so far. Keep them coming, this gives 
> me ideas. 
>
> I don't know what kind of timeframe I'm looking at. It depends on my 
> schedule and everything.
>
> What I mean by pay as you go is that you pay for exactly what you use, so 
> if all you have is one thing - a little wiki to host one plug-in for other 
> people to download, - you would get charged storage plus all of the traffic 
> for your one little Wiki.
>
> If your Wiki is private, then obviously all the traffic would be just you. 
>
> Amazon web services has a pretty good model for this. Their prices are 
> very reasonable, and it appears that they have the tools for me to do it 
> with.
>
> I would probably lazy load everything besides the system tiddlers. Having 
> an offline cache like note self does would definitely help cut down on 
> bandwidth as well.
>
> Just thought I would address those now to clarify what I'm thinking. 
>
> These are all good suggestions, keep posting.
>
> - Arlen
>
> On Aug 8, 2017 11:28, "Mat"  wrote:
>
>>
>>- Something like the shut down TiddlySpace model (...or maybe that's 
>>the same as the TiddlyWeb model?) with tiddlers as first class citizens 
>>spanning across wikis so you can concoct TWs out of tiddlers in other 
>> TWs. 
>>That was extremely cool and useful. 
>>- But a big limitation with TiddlySpace was that it was limited to 
>>that server so when it eventually shut down the connectedness between 
>>(exported) wikis broke.  
>>- ...so, for your service, other than export functionality to create 
>>a single-file tw...
>>- ...I'd also wish for some solution to export with intact 
>>inter-tiddlwikiness.
>>- *And the exporting solution must be without lock-in aspects, were 
>>your service to shut down. No ransoms, and none of my darlings lost in 
>>cyberspace.*
>>- Private by default. Click to publish.. some parts of it!
>>- Tiddler encryption.
>>- myprettyurl.com ...no? ok, then  myprettyurl.yourprettydomain.com 
>>...but I also somehow want subspaces... myprettyurl/music , 
>> mytw/coding,etc 
>>that are "to the left in the url string". (yeah, I did say "somehow").
>>- VERY easy to make new TWs, even simpler than on TiddlySpot. Should 
>>be doable: Click a button New TW and it gets a default url. Overwrite the 
>>TW title and the url is replaced. It would be very valuable for everyone 
>> in 
>>the community to zap up problem demos, minimal test cases etc.
>>- Related; easy import (copy) of external TW without need for 
>>middle-step downloads to local computer. Give url, checkbox if "import 
>>here" or "import to new url", click import ---> Bam!  
>>- Unlimited amount of TWs and tiddlers.
>>- Separate non-wiki files... hm... I'd be OK with a file-size 
>>restriction for non-wiki files.
>>- Absolutely no "enter your phone number", "credit card required", 
>>"personal details". Instead pay e.g via paypal or amazon account to get 
>> an 
>>ID but then identify via a nick and password.
>>- Publish to gallery / plugin store / ... maybe even a commercial 
>>market place. You get a cut of each sale or perhaps special accounts have 
>>selling rights.
>>
>>
>> ...sky's the limit? Ok, throw in a better discussion forum than this 
>> place. Based on some wiki type software that centers around small chunks of 
>> text, if that exists ;-)
>>
>>
>> Pricing? TW is my cocaine so I guess I'm not the best at telling what is 
>> reasonable, but I'd be prepared to pay a decent sum if I believed in the 
>> service. But I'd want a one time sum, or perhaps once per 2 years. No 
>> annoying "renew or lose it" subscriptions. What does "pay as you go" mean? 
>> If it means a new payment for everything I do then it would definitely have 
>> to be well hidden and not remind me of it all the time. I hate seeing the 
>> taxi meter tick-tick-tick. But again, I want to feel 100% free to throw 
>> together a quick demo or to illustrate some problem, as is the case on 
>> TiddlySpot, but if it costed me money to help others then I wouldn't do 
>> it...
>>
>>
>> Really looking forward to this. Need a week? Two?
>>
>> <:-)
>>
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[tw] [TW5] Desirable core additions

[TonyM]

Folks,

Please forgive my being so brash to propose some TW5 core additions but I 
am in the middle of a learing curve that may inform some improvements to 
the core that will help others on this learning curve. I would liove your 
feedback and if you are a GitHub proficiant person for you to submitt them. 
First I will explain what I want with a small explination and hope the 
reasons prove self evident, however I will put a longer argument if 
requested. I acknowledge there may be a gap in my knowledge and are happy 
to be set straight. I am no Genius but I am not stupid and a clear way to 
do the following would have made adopting TW5 much easier. I hope I am 
using the correct terminology.

Psudo-Constants
Provide tools to create "constants" within a given tiddler and any 
sub-tiddlers (transcluded, called, macros etc...)
I have finaly learned I can do this using the below

\define currentobjectsrc() 
{{!!title}}
\end
<$wikify name="currentobject" text=<>>

Such that <> has the same value in all sub-tiddlers

*This is still not sufficent as <> can only be used in some 
places*.

Why cant we have an established syntax that allows this as a built in 
feature?

The current methods are way to convoluted and I fear act as a barier to 
someone using tiddlywiki as their knowledge must be much deeper than it 
need be before they can do something most people will think of while they 
are learing about tiddlywiki. In this case much can be done without 
learning to navigate a lot of complexity by providing values that are not 
so context sencitive.

Edit fields in Current Tiddler
Provide the tools to edit fields in the Current Tiddler

The complexity of editing fields in the current tiddler, whilst it has its 
technical reasons, runs counter to the intuitive value of tiddlywiki. The 
most practical way is to use the tiddler edit function in which case the 
user has to see all possible fields and values. I would like to provide 
access to edit fields in the current tiddler through the View Template, 
without needing to use two additional tiddlers to achive this.

I understand the issue is the rendering of each key stroke and the loss of 
focus, but why can we not have a method where you nominate a field and its 
value is placedn in an external tiddler, you then edit the field value and 
on pressing a (field) save button, it is written back to the calling 
tiddler in one shot?

Once again the current methods are way to convoluted and I fear act as a 
barier to someone using tiddlywiki as their knowledge must be much deeper 
than it need be before they can do something most people will think of 
while they are learing about tiddlywiki. 


Regards
Tony

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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

[Silvercat]

I'm not worried about *maximum *flexibility as there are just too many 
parts in an entry. The standard noun has the word, between one and ten 
meanings; any irregularity; an abbreviated form for deriving words; notes; 
the spelling, stress, IPA, and phonetic of the singular, plural, and 
paucal; and at least one translated sentence. Verbs, adjectives, and 
affixes are simpler. Stamps are making my life much easier.

Still not sure how to do the English index. Some examples: 'chanyki' has 
three meanings that would be listed separately (color, skin, and surface), 
while 'chuBi, liBi, syBi,' and 'mymsy' would all be listed under 'here'. 
I've given 'chanyki' three fields: english1, english2, and english3... I'm 
sure there's a way to pull those three fields from each word entry and 
match them up with their title on the EnglishIndex tiddler, I just don't 
know how.

Can y'all tell I'm not a programming person? :p

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 3:35:05 PM UTC-7, Mark S. wrote:

> I would say that for maximum flexibility, instead of fixing the 
> formatting, put the various bits of information into fields. Then use 
> template tiddlers to display the field information as needed. If the 
> information is stored as fields, then you can do things like list English - 
> word - phonetic or put your comparable words in a list field and then for 
> each english word you could also list each (??) word followed by its notes. 
>
> Play with it a bit, of course, before committing to any one approach.
>
> Good luck!
> Mark
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 3:03:34 PM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I did that. I'm working on fixing all the old formatting. There's 
>> double because there's the lexicon entry itself then the english index 
>> entry. To use Spanish as an example instead of my weirdo language, there'd 
>> be the lexicon entries for 'ser' and 'estar' with their definitions, notes, 
>> and example sentences and the english index of 'to be'. 
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 2:52 PM Mat  wrote:
>>
>>> Silvercat wrote:
>>>
>>> Any ideas of an easier and better way of doing it? My current method 
 effectively doubles the number of tiddlers needed and since I have over 
 300 
 words, it's kinda a pain.

>>>
>>> Not really clear what "doing it" means, or exactly what you mean with 
>>> "double" (maybe two tiddlers per word?) - but did you know that you can 
>>> import a TW classic into a TW5 so you probably don't have to re-create your 
>>> actual word tiddlers?
>>>
>>> <:-)
>>>
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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I would say that for maximum flexibility, instead of fixing the formatting, 
put the various bits of information into fields. Then use template tiddlers 
to display the field information as needed. If the information is stored as 
fields, then you can do things like list English - word - phonetic or put 
your comparable words in a list field and then for each english word you 
could also list each (??) word followed by its notes. 

Play with it a bit, of course, before committing to any one approach.

Good luck!
Mark

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 3:03:34 PM UTC-7, Silvercat wrote:
>
> Yes, I did that. I'm working on fixing all the old formatting. There's 
> double because there's the lexicon entry itself then the english index 
> entry. To use Spanish as an example instead of my weirdo language, there'd 
> be the lexicon entries for 'ser' and 'estar' with their definitions, notes, 
> and example sentences and the english index of 'to be'. 
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 2:52 PM Mat  wrote:
>
>> Silvercat wrote:
>>
>> Any ideas of an easier and better way of doing it? My current method 
>>> effectively doubles the number of tiddlers needed and since I have over 300 
>>> words, it's kinda a pain.
>>>
>>
>> Not really clear what "doing it" means, or exactly what you mean with 
>> "double" (maybe two tiddlers per word?) - but did you know that you can 
>> import a TW classic into a TW5 so you probably don't have to re-create your 
>> actual word tiddlers?
>>
>> <:-)
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Re: [tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

[Lydean Works]

Yes, I did that. I'm working on fixing all the old formatting. There's
double because there's the lexicon entry itself then the english index
entry. To use Spanish as an example instead of my weirdo language, there'd
be the lexicon entries for 'ser' and 'estar' with their definitions, notes,
and example sentences and the english index of 'to be'.

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017, 2:52 PM Mat  wrote:

> Silvercat wrote:
>
> Any ideas of an easier and better way of doing it? My current method
>> effectively doubles the number of tiddlers needed and since I have over 300
>> words, it's kinda a pain.
>>
>
> Not really clear what "doing it" means, or exactly what you mean with
> "double" (maybe two tiddlers per word?) - but did you know that you can
> import a TW classic into a TW5 so you probably don't have to re-create your
> actual word tiddlers?
>
> <:-)
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Translucent Tiddlers

[Mat]

Because a tiddler consists of several fields (e.g  on for the title, one 
for the tags, etc), I suggest you post a screen shot of a tiddler and mark 
out exactly which parts you want transparent so it would be easier to give 
an answer. Or maybe you want "everything that is white" to be transparent?

<:-)

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[tw] Re: More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

[Mat]

Silvercat wrote:

Any ideas of an easier and better way of doing it? My current method 
> effectively doubles the number of tiddlers needed and since I have over 300 
> words, it's kinda a pain.
>

Not really clear what "doing it" means, or exactly what you mean with 
"double" (maybe two tiddlers per word?) - but did you know that you can 
import a TW classic into a TW5 so you probably don't have to re-create your 
actual word tiddlers?

<:-)

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Re: [tw] Re: Comments on an online service

[Arlen Beiler]

Thanks everyone for the suggestions so far. Keep them coming, this gives me
ideas.

I don't know what kind of timeframe I'm looking at. It depends on my
schedule and everything.

What I mean by pay as you go is that you pay for exactly what you use, so
if all you have is one thing - a little wiki to host one plug-in for other
people to download, - you would get charged storage plus all of the traffic
for your one little Wiki.

If your Wiki is private, then obviously all the traffic would be just you.

Amazon web services has a pretty good model for this. Their prices are very
reasonable, and it appears that they have the tools for me to do it with.

I would probably lazy load everything besides the system tiddlers. Having
an offline cache like note self does would definitely help cut down on
bandwidth as well.

Just thought I would address those now to clarify what I'm thinking.

These are all good suggestions, keep posting.

- Arlen

On Aug 8, 2017 11:28, "Mat"  wrote:

>
>- Something like the shut down TiddlySpace model (...or maybe that's
>the same as the TiddlyWeb model?) with tiddlers as first class citizens
>spanning across wikis so you can concoct TWs out of tiddlers in other TWs.
>That was extremely cool and useful.
>- But a big limitation with TiddlySpace was that it was limited to
>that server so when it eventually shut down the connectedness between
>(exported) wikis broke.
>- ...so, for your service, other than export functionality to create a
>single-file tw...
>- ...I'd also wish for some solution to export with intact
>inter-tiddlwikiness.
>- *And the exporting solution must be without lock-in aspects, were
>your service to shut down. No ransoms, and none of my darlings lost in
>cyberspace.*
>- Private by default. Click to publish.. some parts of it!
>- Tiddler encryption.
>- myprettyurl.com ...no? ok, then  myprettyurl.yourprettydomain.com
>...but I also somehow want subspaces... myprettyurl/music , mytw/coding,etc
>that are "to the left in the url string". (yeah, I did say "somehow").
>- VERY easy to make new TWs, even simpler than on TiddlySpot. Should
>be doable: Click a button New TW and it gets a default url. Overwrite the
>TW title and the url is replaced. It would be very valuable for everyone in
>the community to zap up problem demos, minimal test cases etc.
>- Related; easy import (copy) of external TW without need for
>middle-step downloads to local computer. Give url, checkbox if "import
>here" or "import to new url", click import ---> Bam!
>- Unlimited amount of TWs and tiddlers.
>- Separate non-wiki files... hm... I'd be OK with a file-size
>restriction for non-wiki files.
>- Absolutely no "enter your phone number", "credit card required",
>"personal details". Instead pay e.g via paypal or amazon account to get an
>ID but then identify via a nick and password.
>- Publish to gallery / plugin store / ... maybe even a commercial
>market place. You get a cut of each sale or perhaps special accounts have
>selling rights.
>
>
> ...sky's the limit? Ok, throw in a better discussion forum than this
> place. Based on some wiki type software that centers around small chunks of
> text, if that exists ;-)
>
>
> Pricing? TW is my cocaine so I guess I'm not the best at telling what is
> reasonable, but I'd be prepared to pay a decent sum if I believed in the
> service. But I'd want a one time sum, or perhaps once per 2 years. No
> annoying "renew or lose it" subscriptions. What does "pay as you go" mean?
> If it means a new payment for everything I do then it would definitely have
> to be well hidden and not remind me of it all the time. I hate seeing the
> taxi meter tick-tick-tick. But again, I want to feel 100% free to throw
> together a quick demo or to illustrate some problem, as is the case on
> TiddlySpot, but if it costed me money to help others then I wouldn't do
> it...
>
>
> Really looking forward to this. Need a week? Two?
>
> <:-)
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[tw] Re: Presenting: GRAPHS - pies, bars, scatter and whatever turns you on

[Mat]

Update (still beta)

Main change is not noticeable but the previous calculation plugin has been 
exchanged for fellow @Thomas Elmigers rpn plugin! (Thank you Thomas!) It 
simplified the code in a few places thanks to the "built in" wikification 
of the result and I'm doing some experiments with its randomization feature.

Hopefully fellow Danielo will also be happy with the Pie demo now. The 
special slice serving should hopefully show up better on small screens.

Thanks to everyone for the kind words.

<:-)

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[tw] [TW5] Translucent Tiddlers

[charleychopkins36]

How do I make tiddlers translucent?

Thank you in advance!

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[tw] More elegant way of doing this lexicon?

[Silvercat]

I'm switching my constructed language lexicon to TW5 and I expect there's a 
more elegant way of doing the english index. The TWC version is here - 
http://www.silversspace.com/conlang/nyji/nyji-lexicon.html#EnglishIndex 

What I was doing was making a tiddler for each English word and tagging it 
English then using the old Embed plug-in to throw them all in one tiddler. 
Since language is messy, it's not a one-to-one correlation in either 
direction for a lot of the words.

Any ideas of an easier and better way of doing it? My current method 
effectively doubles the number of tiddlers needed and since I have over 300 
words, it's kinda a pain.

Thanks

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[tw] Re: Wikify widget examples

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Stephen

There's a simple example of its use here: 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/9lc4ht_RM9A/ON3p-uYzBgAJ
Its used in that to capture rendered Html.

Best
Josiah

On Tuesday, 8 August 2017 15:28:31 UTC+2, Stephen Kimmel wrote:
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> I'll admit that I'm late to the party and can be exceptionally dense at 
> times but I don't understand the $wikify widget. I read the tiddler. It 
> parses some text, renders it and returns it as a variable which is 
> available inside the widget depending on the type selected which defaults 
> to an option which isn't one of the listed choices. What? What? While there 
> are examples in the full Tiddlywiki, there are no examples for the $wikify 
> widget and, as close as I can tell, Tiddlywiki almost never uses it either.
>
> Can someone point me some examples that are simple enough for a borderline 
> moron like me to understand? Jeremy, could we get an example or two in the 
> next version?
>

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[tw] Re: Wikify widget examples

[Mat]

If it helps: I think of it as a setwidget but with output as text rather 
than wikitext.

Of note is that you can for text argument use an evaluated filter, like so:

<$wikify name=foo text="""{{{ filter }}}"""> ... 

<:-)

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[tw] Re: How to calculate (sum, avg) with fields and store the result in an other field?

[Mat]

Uwe wrote:
>
> So I have tried this with Thomas Elmigers rpn plugin, 
>

> But how can I add the results of each of these expressions? (Has it 
> something to do with the listwidget you mentioned?)
>

Yes,  listwidget. I have not tried it so I may miss something fundamental 
but, basically, you'd iterate through the arguments recursively using the 
rpn to calculate "up til now" along the way. I'm a bit unsure of how to 
handle parentheses but spontaneously I'd think the first listwidget 
filtering must be to split out such sub-statements (i.e surrounded with 
parentheses) and then do the iteration with the rpn on it's contents. If 
you could accept statements without parentheses, I think it would be more 
direct and simpler. Regardless; if you have limited experience with filter 
operators in TW... then I guess you have some fun ahead of you ;-) ...BUT, 
as noted, I don't think it would make for an effective solution given that 
there surely are optimized js calculators that can(?) be 'tiddlified'.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Using a filter in a list field for sorting purposes

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Well, the list mechanism specifies the ordering. So you could write a 
button that you fire off once a semester to specify the ordering. (Assuming 
the syllabus doesn't change during the semester, which would be evil)

Or you could hack your own tag button. If you make a  template 
$:/core/ui/TagTemplate2 like this:

\define list-tagged-draggable2(tag,itemTemplate,elementTag:"div")
<$set name="tag" value="""$tag$""">
<$list filter="[tagging[]sort[sortable-date]]">
<$elementTag$ class="tc-menu-list-item">
<$droppable actions=<>>
<$elementTag$ class="tc-droppable-placeholder">
 

<$elementTag$>
<$transclude tiddler="""$itemTemplate$""">
<$link to={{!!title}}>
<$view field="title"/>






<$tiddler tiddler="">
<$droppable actions=<>>
<$elementTag$ class="tc-droppable-placeholder">
 

<$elementTag$ style="height:0.5em;">




\end

<$set name="transclusion" value=<>>
<$macrocall $name="tag-pill-body" tag=<> icon={{!!icon}} 
colour={{!!color}} palette={{$:/palette}} element-tag="""$button""" element-
attributes="""popup=<> 
dragFilter='[all[current]tagging[]]' tag='span'"""/>
<$reveal state=<> type="popup" position=
"below" animate="yes" class="tc-drop-down">
<$transclude tiddler="$:/core/ui/ListItemTemplate"/>
<$list filter=
"[all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[$:/tags/TagDropdown]!has[draft.of]sort[sortable-date]]"
 
variable="listItem"> 
<$transclude tiddler=<>/> 


<$macrocall $name="list-tagged-draggable2" tag=<>/>



Enter code here...

and then create and invoke a new macro like:

\define tag2(tag)
{{$tag$||$:/core/ui/TagTemplate2}}
\end


<>


Then the default ordering will be by sortable-date. Since the list is 
draggable , you can still rearrange the tiddlers as you want.

HTH
Mark  
 

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>
> Hi, I am writing a syllabus for my course, and have a set of tiddlers 
> tagged "Day" -- each has as a readable date as a title (i.e. Mon, Aug 28, 
> 2017). I also want students to be able to navigate on a 
> first-previous-next-last through the class meeting tiddlers, so I created a 
> field called "sortable-date" which renders dates as 20170828, and thus can 
> be sorted.
>
> When I view <> the tiddlers are sorted by title, of course. How 
> do I sort the tiddlers by sortable-date instead, when rendered in the < Day>> macro?
>
> I tried putting this in the list field of Day: <$list 
> filter="[tag[Day]sort[sortable-date]]"/> but it didn't work. 
>
> And, I tried creating a tiddler {{sortable-dates}} which is a 
> space-separated ordered list of the tiddlers, and transcluding that tiddler 
> into the list field of [[Day]] but that didn't work either.
>
> Seems there should be an option the specifies the sort order of tiddlers 
> matching a tag...so I must be missing something...
>
> Thanks!
>
> //steve.
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[tw] Re: Comments on an online service

[Mat]

   
   - Something like the shut down TiddlySpace model (...or maybe that's the 
   same as the TiddlyWeb model?) with tiddlers as first class citizens 
   spanning across wikis so you can concoct TWs out of tiddlers in other TWs. 
   That was extremely cool and useful. 
   - But a big limitation with TiddlySpace was that it was limited to that 
   server so when it eventually shut down the connectedness between (exported) 
   wikis broke.  
   - ...so, for your service, other than export functionality to create a 
   single-file tw...
   - ...I'd also wish for some solution to export with intact 
   inter-tiddlwikiness.
   - *And the exporting solution must be without lock-in aspects, were your 
   service to shut down. No ransoms, and none of my darlings lost in 
   cyberspace.*
   - Private by default. Click to publish.. some parts of it!
   - Tiddler encryption.
   - myprettyurl.com ...no? ok, then  myprettyurl.yourprettydomain.com 
   ...but I also somehow want subspaces... myprettyurl/music , mytw/coding,etc 
   that are "to the left in the url string". (yeah, I did say "somehow").
   - VERY easy to make new TWs, even simpler than on TiddlySpot. Should be 
   doable: Click a button New TW and it gets a default url. Overwrite the TW 
   title and the url is replaced. It would be very valuable for everyone in 
   the community to zap up problem demos, minimal test cases etc.
   - Related; easy import (copy) of external TW without need for 
   middle-step downloads to local computer. Give url, checkbox if "import 
   here" or "import to new url", click import ---> Bam!  
   - Unlimited amount of TWs and tiddlers.
   - Separate non-wiki files... hm... I'd be OK with a file-size 
   restriction for non-wiki files.
   - Absolutely no "enter your phone number", "credit card required", 
   "personal details". Instead pay e.g via paypal or amazon account to get an 
   ID but then identify via a nick and password.
   - Publish to gallery / plugin store / ... maybe even a commercial market 
   place. You get a cut of each sale or perhaps special accounts have selling 
   rights.
   

...sky's the limit? Ok, throw in a better discussion forum than this place. 
Based on some wiki type software that centers around small chunks of text, 
if that exists ;-)


Pricing? TW is my cocaine so I guess I'm not the best at telling what is 
reasonable, but I'd be prepared to pay a decent sum if I believed in the 
service. But I'd want a one time sum, or perhaps once per 2 years. No 
annoying "renew or lose it" subscriptions. What does "pay as you go" mean? 
If it means a new payment for everything I do then it would definitely have 
to be well hidden and not remind me of it all the time. I hate seeing the 
taxi meter tick-tick-tick. But again, I want to feel 100% free to throw 
together a quick demo or to illustrate some problem, as is the case on 
TiddlySpot, but if it costed me money to help others then I wouldn't do 
it...


Really looking forward to this. Need a week? Two?

<:-)

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[tw] Using a filter in a list field for sorting purposes

[Steven Schneider]

Hi, I am writing a syllabus for my course, and have a set of tiddlers 
tagged "Day" -- each has as a readable date as a title (i.e. Mon, Aug 28, 
2017). I also want students to be able to navigate on a 
first-previous-next-last through the class meeting tiddlers, so I created a 
field called "sortable-date" which renders dates as 20170828, and thus can 
be sorted.

When I view <> the tiddlers are sorted by title, of course. How do 
I sort the tiddlers by sortable-date instead, when rendered in the <> macro?

I tried putting this in the list field of Day: <$list 
filter="[tag[Day]sort[sortable-date]]"/> but it didn't work. 

And, I tried creating a tiddler {{sortable-dates}} which is a 
space-separated ordered list of the tiddlers, and transcluding that tiddler 
into the list field of [[Day]] but that didn't work either.

Seems there should be an option the specifies the sort order of tiddlers 
matching a tag...so I must be missing something...

Thanks!

//steve.

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[tw] Re: How to calculate (sum, avg) with fields and store the result in an other field?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

A different approach would be to use mathcell 
(http://mathcell.tiddlyspot.com/) that emulates spreadsheet-like abilities.

Good luck,
Mark

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:05:14 PM UTC-7, Uwe wrote:
>
> Hello dear helpers,
>
> in some tiddlers I have some (< 20) fields with numbers in them, ie 
> {{!!field1}}=2, {{!!field2}}=4 and {{!!field3}}=5 and so on.
>
> I imported $:/plugins/mklauber/math.js 
> 
>  
> from http://mklauber.github.io/tiddly-mathjs/
>
> Using <$calc>, I *cannot *add the sum of these three fields  
> {{!!field4}}=<$calc>{{!!field1}} + {{!!field2}} + {{!!field3}} into 
> field4.
> What went wrong?
>
> I need a solution for automatically calculating with the values of my 
> fields (+, -, *, :, percent, average) and to store the result in an other 
> named field. Is there such a solution out there? (Statistical values 
> calculated about all tiddlers with these fields would be great.)
>
> The use case is to calculate the average points of students they got in 
> some tests (and to get the average of all students).
>
> Greetings,
>
> Uwe
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: How to calculate (sum, avg) with fields and store the result in an other field?

[Uwe]

So I have tried this with Thomas Elmigers rpn plugin, found here:
https://tid.li/tw5/plugins.html
https://tid.li/tw5/hacks.html#rpnTest


<$macrocall $name="rpn" a={{!!field1}} b={{!!field2}} operation="+" 2/>

<$macrocall $name="rpn" a={{!!field3}} b={{!!field4}} operation="+" 2/>

It is also not possible to add more than 2 fields in a macrocall.

But how can I add the results of each of these expressions? (Has it 
something to do with the listwidget you mentioned?)

Perhaps anyone has an idea for a completely other solution of the problem 
(see first post). [Please not: An external link to an Excel spreadsheet ;-)]






Am Dienstag, 8. August 2017 13:09:54 UTC+2 schrieb Mat:
>
> Uwe wrote:
>  
>
>> Automatically calculating values in the fields and in the tiddler like 
>> this example would be a great simplification:
>>
>> {{!!schnitt}}=({{!!field1}}+{{!!field2}}+{{!!field3}}+{{!!field4}})/4
>>
>  
>
> While it's not direct (i.e not optimized), it should not be overly 
> difficult to make a macro with a listwidget and the argument "( field1 + 
> field2 + field3 + field4 ) / 4" and iterates through this to pairwise (i.e 
> two numbers and one operator at a time) apply one of the existing 
> calculators (e.g Thomas Elmigers rpn plugin). 
>
> But then, there must be a *zillion* great js calculators that could just 
> be wrapped up as a TW plugin (...he said confidently without having ever 
> made a js plugin)
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw] Wikify widget examples

['Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki]

I'll admit that I'm late to the party and can be exceptionally dense at 
times but I don't understand the $wikify widget. I read the tiddler. It 
parses some text, renders it and returns it as a variable which is 
available inside the widget depending on the type selected which defaults 
to an option which isn't one of the listed choices. What? What? While there 
are examples in the full Tiddlywiki, there are no examples for the $wikify 
widget and, as close as I can tell, Tiddlywiki almost never uses it either.

Can someone point me some examples that are simple enough for a borderline 
moron like me to understand? Jeremy, could we get an example or two in the 
next version?

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[tw] Re: Comments on an online service

[stefct4]

Lost Admin's suggestions are good. In addition to this, I'd love to see:

   - Convenient backup and restore
   - Option to create multiple TiddlyWikis within the same account, with 
   different properties (encrypted versus publicly readable etc.)
   - Creation of new TiddlyWikis with "one click" (or a similarly easy 
   process)
   - Clear and transparent information about hosting (location etc.) and 
   data privacy (important for business usage)
   
Another nice-to-have:

   - Option to define empty TiddlyWikis as "templates" for the creation of 
   new TiddlyWikis 

Cheers,

Stef


On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 2:22:06 PM UTC+2, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
> I have been thinking recently that I would like to build an online service 
> specifically geared toward TW5. It would be different from Danielo's note 
> self in that the data would also be hosted. 
>
> I am thinking that it would be a paid service, either as a subscription or 
> pay as you go. I don't really know which one yet I don't really know how it 
> all work but I am thinking of using the Amazon web services to build it on 
> and that seems to have some pretty good features for pay as you go.
>
> So now for the question. If you were going to subscribe to the service, 
> what are the main features you would be interested in? The sky's the limit, 
> I want to hear your thoughts.
>
> Thanks,
> -Arlen
>

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[tw] Re: [Noteself] load error using empty.html ($tw.boot.boot is not a function)

[Lost Admin]

I need to correct my assessment with Chrome. Although Chrome does not 
exhibit the multiple-reload behavior, it does report the same error on the 
javascript console:




On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 8:26:32 AM UTC-4, Lost Admin wrote:
>
> Now that I'm at work, I can add Chrome 59 to my list. It works without 
> issue.
>
> I'm thinking it might be something to do with either Firefox in general or 
> my particular set-up of Firefox. Can someone else see if it's doing the 
> same multiple-reload thing for you too or if it's just me?
>

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[tw] Re: Comments on an online service

[Lost Admin]

The main features *I* would want...

1) Cost significantly less than $3.50 per month (that's what I'm paying now 
to host wiki.suntrap.ca, which is still experimental)

2) Client side encryption by default so that if there is a breach at amazon 
(or wherever  you host), my data is not put at risk.

3) Can still pull down the TiddlyWiki single-file for backup.

On my nice-to-have list:

4) Multiple user support with either per-tiddler locking to prevent 
over-writes or some good automated conflict resolution algorithms.

5) Offline mode (like Noteself).

6) No special software required (optional "apps" are fine).


On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 8:22:06 AM UTC-4, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
> I have been thinking recently that I would like to build an online service 
> specifically geared toward TW5. It would be different from Danielo's note 
> self in that the data would also be hosted. 
>
> I am thinking that it would be a paid service, either as a subscription or 
> pay as you go. I don't really know which one yet I don't really know how it 
> all work but I am thinking of using the Amazon web services to build it on 
> and that seems to have some pretty good features for pay as you go.
>
> So now for the question. If you were going to subscribe to the service, 
> what are the main features you would be interested in? The sky's the limit, 
> I want to hear your thoughts.
>
> Thanks,
> -Arlen
>

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[tw] Re: [Noteself] load error using empty.html ($tw.boot.boot is not a function)

[Lost Admin]

Now that I'm at work, I can add Chrome 59 to my list. It works without 
issue.

I'm thinking it might be something to do with either Firefox in general or 
my particular set-up of Firefox. Can someone else see if it's doing the 
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[tw] Comments on an online service

[Arlen Beiler]

Hello everyone,
I have been thinking recently that I would like to build an online service
specifically geared toward TW5. It would be different from Danielo's note
self in that the data would also be hosted.

I am thinking that it would be a paid service, either as a subscription or
pay as you go. I don't really know which one yet I don't really know how it
all work but I am thinking of using the Amazon web services to build it on
and that seems to have some pretty good features for pay as you go.

So now for the question. If you were going to subscribe to the service,
what are the main features you would be interested in? The sky's the limit,
I want to hear your thoughts.

Thanks,
-Arlen

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[tw] Re: How to calculate (sum, avg) with fields and store the result in an other field?

[Mat]

Uwe wrote:
 

> Automatically calculating values in the fields and in the tiddler like 
> this example would be a great simplification:
>
> {{!!schnitt}}=({{!!field1}}+{{!!field2}}+{{!!field3}}+{{!!field4}})/4
>
 

While it's not direct (i.e not optimized), it should not be overly 
difficult to make a macro with a listwidget and the argument "( field1 + 
field2 + field3 + field4 ) / 4" and iterates through this to pairwise (i.e 
two numbers and one operator at a time) apply one of the existing 
calculators (e.g Thomas Elmigers rpn plugin). 

But then, there must be a *zillion* great js calculators that could just be 
wrapped up as a TW plugin (...he said confidently without having ever made 
a js plugin)

<:-)

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[tw] Re: How to calculate (sum, avg) with fields and store the result in an other field?

[Uwe]

I totally agree.

Nonetheless, thanks to any contribution to this issue, maybe it helps 
others.

Here is the solution, I made:


<$fieldmangler>
  <$list filter="[is[current]tag[Aktiv]]">
<$button message="tm-remove-tag" param="Aktiv">Aktiv
  
  <$list filter="[is[current]!tag[Aktiv]]">
<$button message="tm-add-tag" param="Aktiv">Aktiv
  

<$fieldmangler>
  <$list filter="[is[current]tag[m]]">
<$button message="tm-remove-tag" param="m">m
  
  <$list filter="[is[current]!tag[m]]">
<$button message="tm-add-tag" param="m">m
  

<$fieldmangler>
  <$list filter="[is[current]tag[w]]">
<$button message="tm-remove-tag" param="w">w
  
  <$list filter="[is[current]!tag[w]]">
<$button message="tm-add-tag" param="w">w
  

<$fieldmangler>
  <$list filter="[is[current]tag[FW51]]">
<$button message="tm-remove-tag" param="FW51">FW51
  
  <$list filter="[is[current]!tag[FW51]]">
<$button message="tm-add-tag" param="FW51">FW51
  

<$fieldmangler>
  <$list filter="[is[current]tag[FW61]]">
<$button message="tm-remove-tag" param="FW61">FW61
  
  <$list filter="[is[current]!tag[FW61]]">
<$button message="tm-add-tag" param="FW61">FW61
  

<$fieldmangler>
  <$list filter="[is[current]tag[FW71]]">
<$button message="tm-remove-tag" param="FW71">FW71
  
  <$list filter="[is[current]!tag[FW71]]">
<$button message="tm-add-tag" param="FW71">FW71
  

<$fieldmangler>
  <$list filter="[is[current]tag[Facharbeit]]">
<$button message="tm-remove-tag" 
param="Facharbeit">Facharbeit
  
  <$list filter="[is[current]!tag[Facharbeit]]">
<$button message="tm-add-tag" param="Facharbeit">Facharbeit
  



{{!!title}}

[[Wirtschaftsinformatik]]

US01 KA01 + KA02: <$edit-text field='fw51-wi-ka01' size=2/> + <$edit-text 
field='fw51-wi-ka02' size=2/> = {{!!fw51-wi-ka1u2}}
US02 KA03 + KA04: <$edit-text field='fw51-wi-ka03' size=2/> + <$edit-text 
field='fw51-wi-ka04' size=2/> = {{!!fw51-wi-ka3u4}}
//= {{!!fw51-wi-ka1b4}} Punkte Zwischenzeugnis// 

MS01 KA05 + KA06: <$edit-text field='fw51-wi-ka05' size=2/> + <$edit-text 
field='fw51-wi-ka06' size=2/> = {{!!fw51-wi-ka5u6}} 
= ''{{!!fw51-us-os-wi-summe}}'' Punkte Abschlusszeugnis

Päd. Punkte Abschlusszeugnis WI: <$edit-text 
field='fw51-wi-zeugnis_abschluss' size=2/>

<$button>WI: Aktualisieren und Speichern
<$action-sumfield2 $filter='[tag[FW51]]' $sumfield='fw51-wi-ka01' 
$sumfield2='fw51-wi-ka02' $storefield='fw51-wi-ka1u2'/>
<$action-sumfield2 $filter='[tag[FW51]]' $sumfield='fw51-wi-ka03' 
$sumfield2='fw51-wi-ka04' $storefield='fw51-wi-ka3u4'/>
<$action-sumfield2 $filter='[tag[FW51]]' $sumfield='fw51-wi-ka1u2' 
$sumfield2='fw51-wi-ka3u4' $storefield='fw51-wi-ka1b4'/>
<$action-sumfield2 $filter='[tag[FW51]]' $sumfield='fw51-wi-ka05' 
$sumfield2='fw51-wi-ka06' $storefield='fw51-wi-ka5u6'/>
<$action-sumfield2 $filter='[tag[FW51]]' $sumfield='fw51-wi-ka1u2' 
$sumfield2='fw51-wi-ka3u4' $storefield='fw51-us-wi-summe'/>
<$action-sumfield2 $filter='[tag[FW51]]' $sumfield='fw51-us-wi-summe' 
$sumfield2='fw51-wi-ka5u6' $storefield='fw51-us-os-wi-summe'/>


---

{{!!title}}

[[Controlling]]

MS02 KA01 + KA02: <$edit-text field='fw51-ctr-ka01' size=2/> + <$edit-text 
field='fw51-ctr-ka02' size=2/> //= {{!!fw51-ctr-ka1u2}} Punkte 
Zwischenzeugnis// 

OS01 KA03 + KA04: <$edit-text field='fw51-ctr-ka03' size=2/> + <$edit-text 
field='fw51-ctr-ka04' size=2/> = {{!!fw51-ctr-ka3u4}} 
= ''{{!!fw51-ctr-summe}}'' Punkte Abschlusszeugnis

Päd. Punkte Abschlusszeugnis CTR: <$edit-text 
field='fw51-ctr-zeugnis_abschluss' size=2/>

<$button>CTR: Aktualisieren und Speichern
<$action-sumfield2 $filter='[tag[FW51]]'| $sumfield='fw51-ctr-ka01' 
$sumfield2='fw51-ctr-ka02'| $storefield='fw51-ctr-ka1u2'/>
<$action-sumfield2 $filter='[tag[FW51]]'| $sumfield='fw51-ctr-ka03' 
$sumfield2='fw51-ctr-ka04'| $storefield='fw51-ctr-ka3u4'/>
<$action-sumfield2 $filter='[tag[FW51]]'| $sumfield='fw51-ctr-ka1u2' 
$sumfield2='fw51-ctr-ka3u4'| $storefield='fw51-ctr-summe'/>


And this is the (button based) solution only for adding the percentage 
based points, not for the points themselves, not for the grades.

Automatically calculating values in the fields and in the tiddler like this 
example would be a great simplification:

{{!!schnitt}}=({{!!field1}}+{{!!field2}}+{{!!field3}}+{{!!field4}})/4

To comfortably calc with (more than two) fields is often needed. Perhaps 
some day a developer will see this problem and solve it. Let me know. ;-)

Greetings,

Uwe


Am Mittwoch, 2. August 2017 22:21:07 UTC+2 schrieb @TiddlyTweeter:
>
> Welcome to the club of non-functioning math in TW.
>
> Its a mess of half solutions.
>
> Josiah
>
>
> Uwe wrote:
>>
>> in some tiddlers I have some (< 20) fields with numbers in them, ie 
>> {{!!field1}}=2, {{!!field2}}=4 and {{!!field3}}=5 and so on.
>>
>> I imported $:/plugins/mklauber/math.js 
>> 
>>  
>> from http://mklauber.github.io/tiddly-mathjs/
>>
>> Using <$calc>, I *cannot 

[tw] Re: Set of radioWidgets: How to set a default value

[PMario]

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 9:46:32 AM UTC+2, vpl wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for a way to display different radioWidget and set one of them 
> as the default choice.
>
> Something like
>
> <$tiddler tiddler="$:/plugins/vpl/myplugin/shortTableData">
>

create this tiddler and set the "type-table" to your default value. 

-m

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[tw] Set of radioWidgets: How to set a default value

[vpl]

Hi,

I'm looking for a way to display different radioWidget and set one of them 
as the default choice.

Something like

<$tiddler tiddler="$:/plugins/vpl/myplugin/shortTableData">
   <$radio field="type-table" value="3x3"> 3x3
   <$radio field="type-table" value="4x3"> 4x3
   <$radio field="type-table" value="4x4"> 4x4


I can't find on the forum and in the doc a way to set that the first one 
(3x3) would be displayed as the default choice.
Any idea ?

Thanks for your help and this great product. I discover more and more every 
day ...

Regards

Vpl

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