Re: where am I

[Eric Oyen]

yeah, that is the problem with a text only media. no real way to tell proper 
humor. It's a lot like my phone. the only time it's funny is when it thinks 
that it is traveling around in a loop at 672 mph (all the while, standing 
still). btw, it takes sound 1.0710275 seconds to travel 1000 feet, so for 2 
seconds, it thinks it's going from 1000 feet west of me to 1000 feet east of 
me.  that's just slow enough for me to read it in real time on one of the GPS 
apps while connected to my braille sense U2. It gets fun watching those numbers 
move around real fast.

-eric

On Apr 13, 2018, at 7:56 PM, Jewel wrote:

> eric!  As is my wont, I was being just a bit, such a tiny bit, tongue in 
> cheekish!
>  
> Jewel
> 
> From: Eric Oyen
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 2:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: where am I
> 
> me? modest? surely! you must be kidding! :)
> 
> Honestly, I can tell you I am nowhere near modest. I am not quite sure if I 
> am self effacing either. Do I actually sound that way?
> 
> anyway, back to blind groups, etc. :)
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Apr 13, 2018, at 6:PM, Jewel wrote:
> 
>> Eric!  Thank the powers that you are so modest and self-effacing!
>>  
>>  Jewel  
>> 
>> From: Eric Oyen
>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 3:45 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: where am I
>> 
>> unfortunately, given some "features" of my psyche, some kinds of humor are 
>> not comprehended. :( it's part and parcel of being on the asperger's 
>> spectrum. It's also probably why it is that I am so good at technology 
>> related items. 
>> 
>> anyway, on the technical end of things, the nearest thing I can figure on 
>> the daily (and always inside the same 2 hour window) is that I am seeing a 
>> reflection of signal off an aircraft in the aircraft control corridor that 
>> exists from here to california. in any case, it makes for an interesting 
>> math problem. :)
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 8:29 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:
>> 
>>> That was intended to be a joke!   
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
>>> - Dear Optimist, Pessimist, and Realist, While you guys were busy arguing 
>>> about the glass of water, I drank it!
>>> - Sincerely, The Opportunist
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> um, that is not exactly the way that GPS works. In order for this "hand 
>>> off" to occur, there would also have to be interaction from the device to 
>>> the sats and there just isn't the spectrum space or bandwidth to handle 
>>> several tens of millions of devices simultaneously. the gPS units on the 
>>> ground are strictly receivers.
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:
>>> 
 Given what Eric wrote about his GPS “speed of light” experience, I have to 
 wonder if Eric is not sitting on the cusp of two separate satellites that 
 are continually “handing off” his device to each other.  Just a thought.
 
 
 - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
 - "A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he 
 resents."
 - German Aphorist, Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799)
 
 On Apr 13, 2018, at 4:01 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
 
 you should see what happens with my phone sometimes. I will have it 
 sitting here on the desk and all of the sudden, it goes into do not 
 disturb mode. 
 
 So, I opened up one of the gPS apps I have (Navigon in this case) and left 
 it run. when the Do Not Disturb popped up, I grabbed the phone and checked 
 how far it allegedly moved. Here's the real kicker, for 2 minutes, it 
 traveled 1000 feet to the west at 672 mph, then proceeded 2000 feet to the 
 east at 672 mph and went back and forth like that for 3 minutes. Yet, the 
 phone physically didn't move.
 
 The two things I noted about this:
 1. the direction was always east and west
 2. the speed of transit is always that of a jet aircraft at full cruise I 
 think when it happens again, I am going to call up a friend of mine at sky 
 harbor airport ops  and find out if there is any air traffic transiting 
 the space above me at 30k feet going either east or west I have already 
 checked with a ham radio sat tracker program I have here, so I know where 
 the GPS sats are in near real time. If what I think is happening really 
 is, then it would be possible to know when something is overflying my 
 place. :)
 
 -Eric
 
 On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 
> GPS accuracy is going to be about 15 feet at best and sitting inside does 
> not give you good signal quality. The GPS signal is very weak, I read an 
> article once where they compared it with looking at a Christmas light 
> that is up on a satellite in space. Nowadays the receives are very good 
> and 

Re: where am I

[Jewel]

eric!  As is my wont, I was being just a bit, such a tiny bit, tongue in 
cheekish!

Jewel


From: Eric Oyen 
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 2:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: where am I


me? modest? surely! you must be kidding! :) 


Honestly, I can tell you I am nowhere near modest. I am not quite sure if I am 
self effacing either. Do I actually sound that way?


anyway, back to blind groups, etc. :)


-eric


On Apr 13, 2018, at 6:PM, Jewel wrote:


  Eric!  Thank the powers that you are so modest and self-effacing!

   Jewel  



  From: Eric Oyen 
  Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 3:45 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: where am I


  unfortunately, given some "features" of my psyche, some kinds of humor are 
not comprehended. :( it's part and parcel of being on the asperger's spectrum. 
It's also probably why it is that I am so good at technology related items.  


  anyway, on the technical end of things, the nearest thing I can figure on the 
daily (and always inside the same 2 hour window) is that I am seeing a 
reflection of signal off an aircraft in the aircraft control corridor that 
exists from here to california. in any case, it makes for an interesting math 
problem. :)


  -eric


  On Apr 13, 2018, at 8:29 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:


That was intended to be a joke!   



- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- Dear Optimist, Pessimist, and Realist, While you guys were busy arguing 
about the glass of water, I drank it!
- Sincerely, The Opportunist




On Apr 13, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:


um, that is not exactly the way that GPS works. In order for this "hand 
off" to occur, there would also have to be interaction from the device to the 
sats and there just isn't the spectrum space or bandwidth to handle several 
tens of millions of devices simultaneously. the gPS units on the ground are 
strictly receivers. 


-eric


On Apr 13, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:


  Given what Eric wrote about his GPS “speed of light” experience, I have 
to wonder if Eric is not sitting on the cusp of two separate satellites that 
are continually “handing off” his device to each other.  Just a thought.


  
  - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
  - "A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he 
resents."
  - German Aphorist, Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799)


  On Apr 13, 2018, at 4:01 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:


  you should see what happens with my phone sometimes. I will have it 
sitting here on the desk and all of the sudden, it goes into do not disturb 
mode. 

  So, I opened up one of the gPS apps I have (Navigon in this case) and 
left it run. when the Do Not Disturb popped up, I grabbed the phone and checked 
how far it allegedly moved. Here's the real kicker, for 2 minutes, it traveled 
1000 feet to the west at 672 mph, then proceeded 2000 feet to the east at 672 
mph and went back and forth like that for 3 minutes. Yet, the phone physically 
didn't move.

  The two things I noted about this:
  1. the direction was always east and west
  2. the speed of transit is always that of a jet aircraft at full cruise I 
think when it happens again, I am going to call up a friend of mine at sky 
harbor airport ops  and find out if there is any air traffic transiting the 
space above me at 30k feet going either east or west I have already checked 
with a ham radio sat tracker program I have here, so I know where the GPS sats 
are in near real time. If what I think is happening really is, then it would be 
possible to know when something is overflying my place. :)

  -Eric

  On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:


GPS accuracy is going to be about 15 feet at best and sitting inside 
does not give you good signal quality. The GPS signal is very weak, I read an 
article once where they compared it with looking at a Christmas light that is 
up on a satellite in space. Nowadays the receives are very good and sensitive, 
I remember when I first had my retail store 18 years ago and sold Garmin GPS 
units you often would not get a signal under heavy tree cover or if you were in 
a narrow valley and even nowadays the accuracy can go way down the tube if you 
are in a big city with lots of highrise building around you. GPS is fantastic, 
but you have to be aware of its limitations and factor them in.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Donald Raikes
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: where am I

Sitting at my desk in my house, siri tells me I am next door so how 
reliable is she ;-)

On 4/12/18, Eric Oyen  wrote:

  there is an app called "where the hell am I". It's free 

Re: where am I

[Eric Oyen]

me? modest? surely! you must be kidding! :)

Honestly, I can tell you I am nowhere near modest. I am not quite sure if I am 
self effacing either. Do I actually sound that way?

anyway, back to blind groups, etc. :)

-eric

On Apr 13, 2018, at 6:19 PM, Jewel wrote:

> Eric!  Thank the powers that you are so modest and self-effacing!
>  
>  Jewel  
> 
> From: Eric Oyen
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 3:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: where am I
> 
> unfortunately, given some "features" of my psyche, some kinds of humor are 
> not comprehended. :( it's part and parcel of being on the asperger's 
> spectrum. It's also probably why it is that I am so good at technology 
> related items. 
> 
> anyway, on the technical end of things, the nearest thing I can figure on the 
> daily (and always inside the same 2 hour window) is that I am seeing a 
> reflection of signal off an aircraft in the aircraft control corridor that 
> exists from here to california. in any case, it makes for an interesting math 
> problem. :)
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Apr 13, 2018, at 8:29 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:
> 
>> That was intended to be a joke!   
>>   
>> 
>> 
>> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
>> - Dear Optimist, Pessimist, and Realist, While you guys were busy arguing 
>> about the glass of water, I drank it!
>> - Sincerely, The Opportunist
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> um, that is not exactly the way that GPS works. In order for this "hand off" 
>> to occur, there would also have to be interaction from the device to the 
>> sats and there just isn't the spectrum space or bandwidth to handle several 
>> tens of millions of devices simultaneously. the gPS units on the ground are 
>> strictly receivers.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:
>> 
>>> Given what Eric wrote about his GPS “speed of light” experience, I have to 
>>> wonder if Eric is not sitting on the cusp of two separate satellites that 
>>> are continually “handing off” his device to each other.  Just a thought.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
>>> - "A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he 
>>> resents."
>>> - German Aphorist, Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799)
>>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 4:01 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> you should see what happens with my phone sometimes. I will have it sitting 
>>> here on the desk and all of the sudden, it goes into do not disturb mode. 
>>> 
>>> So, I opened up one of the gPS apps I have (Navigon in this case) and left 
>>> it run. when the Do Not Disturb popped up, I grabbed the phone and checked 
>>> how far it allegedly moved. Here's the real kicker, for 2 minutes, it 
>>> traveled 1000 feet to the west at 672 mph, then proceeded 2000 feet to the 
>>> east at 672 mph and went back and forth like that for 3 minutes. Yet, the 
>>> phone physically didn't move.
>>> 
>>> The two things I noted about this:
>>> 1. the direction was always east and west
>>> 2. the speed of transit is always that of a jet aircraft at full cruise I 
>>> think when it happens again, I am going to call up a friend of mine at sky 
>>> harbor airport ops  and find out if there is any air traffic transiting the 
>>> space above me at 30k feet going either east or west I have already checked 
>>> with a ham radio sat tracker program I have here, so I know where the GPS 
>>> sats are in near real time. If what I think is happening really is, then it 
>>> would be possible to know when something is overflying my place. :)
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>> 
 GPS accuracy is going to be about 15 feet at best and sitting inside does 
 not give you good signal quality. The GPS signal is very weak, I read an 
 article once where they compared it with looking at a Christmas light that 
 is up on a satellite in space. Nowadays the receives are very good and 
 sensitive, I remember when I first had my retail store 18 years ago and 
 sold Garmin GPS units you often would not get a signal under heavy tree 
 cover or if you were in a narrow valley and even nowadays the accuracy can 
 go way down the tube if you are in a big city with lots of highrise 
 building around you. GPS is fantastic, but you have to be aware of its 
 limitations and factor them in.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
 Donald Raikes
 Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:07 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: where am I
 
 Sitting at my desk in my house, siri tells me I am next door so how 
 reliable is she ;-)
 
 On 4/12/18, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> there is an app called "where the hell am I". It's free on the apple 
> appstore and it works nicely.
> 
> Also, 

Re: I need urgent help with a contact

[Donna]

Hi

Open the phone app..Tap on Contacts, in the bottom middle tab...Find your 
contact that is blocked. Tap to open..Do NOT tap on Edit..Swipe down to the 
bottom. Block/Unblock is the very last option on the page. Tap to 
block/Unblock...You will get a popup asking you to confirm your choice of 
options. 

Donna 
> 
> I need some urgent help please. For some reason one of my friends is showing 
> up as a blocked caller now on my phone. I have gone into contacts double tap 
> the edit button and I do not see an option to on block this caller. I have no 
> idea how she got block to start with. But I found out because she tried to 
> call and leave a voicemail. And it said that it was blocked. It won’t even 
> let me play it. So I need some help as to how to unblock her. Thank you.
> 
> Live the life you want. Sent from my iPhone
> 
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Re: where am I

[Jewel]

Eric!  Thank the powers that you are so modest and self-effacing!

 Jewel  



From: Eric Oyen 
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2018 3:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: where am I


unfortunately, given some "features" of my psyche, some kinds of humor are not 
comprehended. :( it's part and parcel of being on the asperger's spectrum. It's 
also probably why it is that I am so good at technology related items.  


anyway, on the technical end of things, the nearest thing I can figure on the 
daily (and always inside the same 2 hour window) is that I am seeing a 
reflection of signal off an aircraft in the aircraft control corridor that 
exists from here to california. in any case, it makes for an interesting math 
problem. :)


-eric


On Apr 13, 2018, at 8:29 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:


  That was intended to be a joke!   


  
  - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
  - Dear Optimist, Pessimist, and Realist, While you guys were busy arguing 
about the glass of water, I drank it!
  - Sincerely, The Opportunist




  On Apr 13, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:


  um, that is not exactly the way that GPS works. In order for this "hand off" 
to occur, there would also have to be interaction from the device to the sats 
and there just isn't the spectrum space or bandwidth to handle several tens of 
millions of devices simultaneously. the gPS units on the ground are strictly 
receivers. 


  -eric


  On Apr 13, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:


Given what Eric wrote about his GPS “speed of light” experience, I have to 
wonder if Eric is not sitting on the cusp of two separate satellites that are 
continually “handing off” his device to each other.  Just a thought.



- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- "A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he 
resents."
- German Aphorist, Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799)


On Apr 13, 2018, at 4:01 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:


you should see what happens with my phone sometimes. I will have it sitting 
here on the desk and all of the sudden, it goes into do not disturb mode. 

So, I opened up one of the gPS apps I have (Navigon in this case) and left 
it run. when the Do Not Disturb popped up, I grabbed the phone and checked how 
far it allegedly moved. Here's the real kicker, for 2 minutes, it traveled 1000 
feet to the west at 672 mph, then proceeded 2000 feet to the east at 672 mph 
and went back and forth like that for 3 minutes. Yet, the phone physically 
didn't move.

The two things I noted about this:
1. the direction was always east and west
2. the speed of transit is always that of a jet aircraft at full cruise I 
think when it happens again, I am going to call up a friend of mine at sky 
harbor airport ops  and find out if there is any air traffic transiting the 
space above me at 30k feet going either east or west I have already checked 
with a ham radio sat tracker program I have here, so I know where the GPS sats 
are in near real time. If what I think is happening really is, then it would be 
possible to know when something is overflying my place. :)

-Eric

On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:


  GPS accuracy is going to be about 15 feet at best and sitting inside does 
not give you good signal quality. The GPS signal is very weak, I read an 
article once where they compared it with looking at a Christmas light that is 
up on a satellite in space. Nowadays the receives are very good and sensitive, 
I remember when I first had my retail store 18 years ago and sold Garmin GPS 
units you often would not get a signal under heavy tree cover or if you were in 
a narrow valley and even nowadays the accuracy can go way down the tube if you 
are in a big city with lots of highrise building around you. GPS is fantastic, 
but you have to be aware of its limitations and factor them in.

  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Donald Raikes
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:07 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: where am I

  Sitting at my desk in my house, siri tells me I am next door so how 
reliable is she ;-)

  On 4/12/18, Eric Oyen  wrote:

there is an app called "where the hell am I". It's free on the apple 
appstore and it works nicely.

Also, you can always ask the voice agent (Siri on the iPhone) your 
location.

-eric

On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Donald Raikes wrote:


  Hi,

  This may be a "silly" question, but I figured I would ask it since 
  others may not know as well.
  When I am out taking our grand dog for a walk, I would like my IPhone 
  to help me determine when I am back home.  Our house is in the middle 
  of the block, and when I am out with my 

Re: where am I

[Eric Oyen]

yeah. however, on this old mac, those might not render properly. I need to put 
my new mac mini online.

-eric

On Apr 13, 2018, at 5:09 PM, Bill Gallik wrote:

> Eric,
> 
> I will gladly take responsibility for the misunderstanding because the Emoji 
> features here would have made it much more clear that my post was intended as 
> a joke had I bothered to include one! 樂
> 
> 
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - “When you are arguing with a fool, make sure he isn't doing the same.”
> - Contributor Unknown
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 13, 2018, at 10:45 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> unfortunately, given some "features" of my psyche, some kinds of humor are 
> not comprehended. :( it's part and parcel of being on the   spectrum. It's 
> also probably why it is that I am so good at technology related items. 
> 
> anyway, on the technical end of things, the nearest thing I can figure on the 
> daily (and always inside the same 2 hour window) is that I am seeing a 
> reflection of signal off an aircraft in the aircraft control corridor that 
> exists from here to california. in any case, it makes for an interesting math 
> problem. :)
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Apr 13, 2018, at 8:29 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:
> 
>> That was intended to be a joke! 
>> 
>> 
>> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
>> - Dear Optimist, Pessimist, and Realist, While you guys were busy arguing 
>> about the glass of water, I drank it!
>> - Sincerely, The Opportunist
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> um, that is not exactly the way that GPS works. In order for this "hand off" 
>> to occur, there would also have to be interaction from the device to the 
>> sats and there just isn't the spectrum space or bandwidth to handle several 
>> tens of millions of devices simultaneously. the gPS units on the ground are 
>> strictly receivers.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:
>> 
>>> Given what Eric wrote about his GPS “speed of light” experience, I have to 
>>> wonder if Eric is not sitting on the cusp of two separate satellites that 
>>> are continually “handing off” his device to each other.  Just a thought.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
>>> - "A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he 
>>> resents."
>>> - German Aphorist, Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799)
>>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 4:01 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> you should see what happens with my phone sometimes. I will have it sitting 
>>> here on the desk and all of the sudden, it goes into do not disturb mode. 
>>> 
>>> So, I opened up one of the gPS apps I have (Navigon in this case) and left 
>>> it run. when the Do Not Disturb popped up, I grabbed the phone and checked 
>>> how far it allegedly moved. Here's the real kicker, for 2 minutes, it 
>>> traveled 1000 feet to the west at 672 mph, then proceeded 2000 feet to the 
>>> east at 672 mph and went back and forth like that for 3 minutes. Yet, the 
>>> phone physically didn't move.
>>> 
>>> The two things I noted about this:
>>> 1. the direction was always east and west
>>> 2. the speed of transit is always that of a jet aircraft at full cruise I 
>>> think when it happens again, I am going to call up a friend of mine at sky 
>>> harbor airport ops  and find out if there is any air traffic transiting the 
>>> space above me at 30k feet going either east or west I have already checked 
>>> with a ham radio sat tracker program I have here, so I know where the GPS 
>>> sats are in near real time. If what I think is happening really is, then it 
>>> would be possible to know when something is overflying my place. :)
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>> 
 GPS accuracy is going to be about 15 feet at best and sitting inside does 
 not give you good signal quality. The GPS signal is very weak, I read an 
 article once where they compared it with looking at a Christmas light that 
 is up on a satellite in space. Nowadays the receives are very good and 
 sensitive, I remember when I first had my retail store 18 years ago and 
 sold Garmin GPS units you often would not get a signal under heavy tree 
 cover or if you were in a narrow valley and even nowadays the accuracy can 
 go way down the tube if you are in a big city with lots of highrise 
 building around you. GPS is fantastic, but you have to be aware of its 
 limitations and factor them in.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
 Donald Raikes
 Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:07 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: where am I
 
 Sitting at my desk in my house, siri tells me I am next door so how 
 reliable is she ;-)
 
 On 4/12/18, Eric Oyen  wrote:

RE: I need urgent help with a contact

[`]

Hi, 
Go into settings > phone > blocked callers at the bottom of the screen. Check 
to see if her number in there. If she is, you can use the rotor actions to 
remove her. 
Hope that helps. 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Johnna Simmons
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 8:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: I need urgent help with a contact

I need some urgent help please. For some reason one of my friends is showing up 
as a blocked caller now on my phone. I have gone into contacts double tap the 
edit button and I do not see an option to on block this caller. I have no idea 
how she got block to start with. But I found out because she tried to call and 
leave a voicemail. And it said that it was blocked. It won’t even let me play 
it. So I need some help as to how to unblock her. Thank you.

Live the life you want. Sent from my iPhone

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I need urgent help with a contact

[Johnna Simmons]

I need some urgent help please. For some reason one of my friends is showing up 
as a blocked caller now on my phone. I have gone into contacts double tap the 
edit button and I do not see an option to on block this caller. I have no idea 
how she got block to start with. But I found out because she tried to call and 
leave a voicemail. And it said that it was blocked. It won’t even let me play 
it. So I need some help as to how to unblock her. Thank you.

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Re: where am I

[Bill Gallik]

Eric,

I will gladly take responsibility for the misunderstanding because the Emoji 
features here would have made it much more clear that my post was intended as a 
joke had I bothered to include one! 樂


- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- “When you are arguing with a fool, make sure he isn't doing the same.”
- Contributor Unknown



On Apr 13, 2018, at 10:45 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:

unfortunately, given some "features" of my psyche, some kinds of humor are not 
comprehended. :( it's part and parcel of being on the   spectrum. It's also 
probably why it is that I am so good at technology related items. 

anyway, on the technical end of things, the nearest thing I can figure on the 
daily (and always inside the same 2 hour window) is that I am seeing a 
reflection of signal off an aircraft in the aircraft control corridor that 
exists from here to california. in any case, it makes for an interesting math 
problem. :)

-eric

On Apr 13, 2018, at 8:29 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:

> That was intended to be a joke!  
> 
> 
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - Dear Optimist, Pessimist, and Realist, While you guys were busy arguing 
> about the glass of water, I drank it!
> - Sincerely, The Opportunist
> 
> 
> On Apr 13, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Eric Oyen  > wrote:
> 
> um, that is not exactly the way that GPS works. In order for this "hand off" 
> to occur, there would also have to be interaction from the device to the sats 
> and there just isn't the spectrum space or bandwidth to handle several tens 
> of millions of devices simultaneously. the gPS units on the ground are 
> strictly receivers.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Apr 13, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:
> 
>> Given what Eric wrote about his GPS “speed of light” experience, I have to 
>> wonder if Eric is not sitting on the cusp of two separate satellites that 
>> are continually “handing off” his device to each other.  Just a thought.
>> 
>> 
>> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
>> - "A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he 
>> resents."
>> - German Aphorist, Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799)
>> 
>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 4:01 AM, Eric Oyen > > wrote:
>> 
>> you should see what happens with my phone sometimes. I will have it sitting 
>> here on the desk and all of the sudden, it goes into do not disturb mode. 
>> 
>> So, I opened up one of the gPS apps I have (Navigon in this case) and left 
>> it run. when the Do Not Disturb popped up, I grabbed the phone and checked 
>> how far it allegedly moved. Here's the real kicker, for 2 minutes, it 
>> traveled 1000 feet to the west at 672 mph, then proceeded 2000 feet to the 
>> east at 672 mph and went back and forth like that for 3 minutes. Yet, the 
>> phone physically didn't move.
>> 
>> The two things I noted about this:
>> 1. the direction was always east and west
>> 2. the speed of transit is always that of a jet aircraft at full cruise I 
>> think when it happens again, I am going to call up a friend of mine at sky 
>> harbor airport ops  and find out if there is any air traffic transiting the 
>> space above me at 30k feet going either east or west I have already checked 
>> with a ham radio sat tracker program I have here, so I know where the GPS 
>> sats are in near real time. If what I think is happening really is, then it 
>> would be possible to know when something is overflying my place. :)
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>> 
>>> GPS accuracy is going to be about 15 feet at best and sitting inside does 
>>> not give you good signal quality. The GPS signal is very weak, I read an 
>>> article once where they compared it with looking at a Christmas light that 
>>> is up on a satellite in space. Nowadays the receives are very good and 
>>> sensitive, I remember when I first had my retail store 18 years ago and 
>>> sold Garmin GPS units you often would not get a signal under heavy tree 
>>> cover or if you were in a narrow valley and even nowadays the accuracy can 
>>> go way down the tube if you are in a big city with lots of highrise 
>>> building around you. GPS is fantastic, but you have to be aware of its 
>>> limitations and factor them in.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>>> > On Behalf Of 
>>> Donald Raikes
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:07 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: where am I
>>> 
>>> Sitting at my desk in my house, siri tells me I am next door so how 
>>> reliable is she ;-)
>>> 
>>> On 4/12/18, Eric Oyen > 
>>> wrote:
 there is an app called "where the hell am I". It's free 

Updates that seem like downgrades

[Bill Outman]

Hi, list.  

 

That thread recently about the frustration of updates that seem like
downgrades was interesting, but I have a take on it that might give everyone
a laugh.  

 

Bill from Wisconsin mentioned there can be issues with object oriented
programming, which he abbreviated as OOP, which can cause problems for
developers.  

 

Well, it occurred to me that one of these problems could be called an OOPS,
as in a mistake.  That would stand for object oriented programming snafu.  

 

I hope everyone enjoyed that tidbit.  

 

Bill Outman 

 

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Braille display commands

[Maria Reyes]

Hi, I am using a Brailliant BI 32 and having trouble activiting commands like 
command N in the mail app, for example. On my braille display is space with 
dots 1 and 7. My question is: do you need to press the letter N and the the 
command key together? I tried both ways and none of them took me to the compose 
screen. 
Thanks. 

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RE: Voice Synthesizers

[llumpkin]

I think this is somewhat off topic but I'll respond again with apologies to the 
moderator. With the latest version of money talks, it should recognize the 
eloquence speech engine but the app is self-voicing.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 3:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voice Synthesizers

If you use insert+up arrow, does that not read the whole line?

Richard




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M Tobia
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Voice Synthesizers

I am using Money Talks and I find it difficult to understand the voice 
synthesizers that come with that product.  I have Zoom Text and Jaws Speech 
engines on my computer, but Money Talks cannot use them.

Using Jaws in Money Talks is clumsy.  Jaws only reads one cell at a time and 
require too much maneuvering  with the left and right arrow to read the content 
of the transactions. while Money Talk voices read the whole row as you down 
arrow through the transactions, Making navigation much easier and more 
efficient.

Does anyone know of any voice synthesizers that I can download that will work 
with that product.

Thanks.
Mario 


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Re: Brailliant BI 14

[Mary Otten]

OK, thanks Eleanor. I wouldn’t expect it to be able to connect to say USB stick 
or even an SD card. As you said in a previous message, you’re not going to read 
an essay on it. And I’m not going to write the great American novel. I’m 
waiting for our local dealer well sort of local, to have stopped. I guess this 
battery thing must’ve slowed them down.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 13, 2018, at 2:46 PM, 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary 
> 
> Yes, it does have on board internal storage capacity. There is a switch with 
> 2 settings. If you have it to the left then the BI 14 runs its own internal 
> notes application, allowing you to make as many notes whenever and wherever 
> you like. You can then also ask the Brailliant to sync these notes to your 
> I-device and vice versa. If you flick the switch to the right then it just 
> becomes a Braille display/keyboard for your I-device. You can’t attach 
> anything like a memory stick to the Brailliant in order to provide external 
> storage, but that’s not the point of the machine - the point of it is to be 
> able to make notes really easily on the go without having to carry a lot of 
> large equipment around with you. 
> 
> Eleanor 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 13 Apr 2018, at 22:28, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> From an earlier response on this thread, I got the idea that it must have 
>> some onboard storage capacity, or else you wouldn’t be able to delete notes 
>> that you had saved on it. Can someone clarify about the storage capacity if 
>> it has any, and how much?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 12:54 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Apparently you can compose a note on the device and send it to a smart 
>>> phone using a proprietary app.  it apparently does not have onboard storage 
>>> capacity.
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 9:26 AM
>>> Subject: Brailliant BI 14
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I wonder if anyone has or has seen one of these in action. It’s just 
>>> finally been released, having been announced last year. It’s claim to fame 
>>> is that it instantly will sync with your eye devices via an app that’s 
>>> available in the App Store. What interests me is to know if the notetaking 
>>> capability in the device is independent. That is. Can you access the things 
>>> you input using the device, manipulating the notes, deleting them etc. If 
>>> it’s not, I don’t find this terribly interesting. But for just slightly 
>>> less than $1000, I suppose it could be interesting if it really could act 
>>> as an independent notetaking device. I’m also not thrilled with only 14 
>>> Braille cells. It’s hard to take that seriously.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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BrailleMe

[Karen Poulakos]

Has anyone found out any more about the BrailleMe?  Was it demonstrated at
the assistive technology conference in CA?

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Re: looking for feedback about problems with braille displays and typing feedback

[Jennie Facer]

I have the same problem. 

Jenn and Kumi

> On Apr 11, 2018, at 12:59 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
> 
> Hello, 
> I wrote a while ago asking if anyone has typing feedback problems using 
> braille displays with the iPhone. Getting no answer I assume nobody has such 
> problems? Could anyone confirm that writing with braille display presents no 
> problem with VoiceOver announcing words when typed? 
> I am having an issue only when there is text after the input cursor. An 
> example of this is typing in an email message where there is already a 
> signature placed after the cursor. 
> 
> Thanks for any feedback about this. 
> 
> Best regards, 
> 
> Ioana 
> 
> 
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Re: Brailliant BI 14

['Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone]

Hi Mary 

Yes, it does have on board internal storage capacity. There is a switch with 2 
settings. If you have it to the left then the BI 14 runs its own internal notes 
application, allowing you to make as many notes whenever and wherever you like. 
You can then also ask the Brailliant to sync these notes to your I-device and 
vice versa. If you flick the switch to the right then it just becomes a Braille 
display/keyboard for your I-device. You can’t attach anything like a memory 
stick to the Brailliant in order to provide external storage, but that’s not 
the point of the machine - the point of it is to be able to make notes really 
easily on the go without having to carry a lot of large equipment around with 
you. 

Eleanor 

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> On 13 Apr 2018, at 22:28, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> From an earlier response on this thread, I got the idea that it must have 
> some onboard storage capacity, or else you wouldn’t be able to delete notes 
> that you had saved on it. Can someone clarify about the storage capacity if 
> it has any, and how much?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 12:54 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
>> 
>> Apparently you can compose a note on the device and send it to a smart phone 
>> using a proprietary app.  it apparently does not have onboard storage 
>> capacity.
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 9:26 AM
>> Subject: Brailliant BI 14
>> 
>> 
>> I wonder if anyone has or has seen one of these in action. It’s just finally 
>> been released, having been announced last year. It’s claim to fame is that 
>> it instantly will sync with your eye devices via an app that’s available in 
>> the App Store. What interests me is to know if the notetaking capability in 
>> the device is independent. That is. Can you access the things you input 
>> using the device, manipulating the notes, deleting them etc. If it’s not, I 
>> don’t find this terribly interesting. But for just slightly less than $1000, 
>> I suppose it could be interesting if it really could act as an independent 
>> notetaking device. I’m also not thrilled with only 14 Braille cells. It’s 
>> hard to take that seriously.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Brailliant BI 14

[Mary Otten]

>From an earlier response on this thread, I got the idea that it must have some 
>onboard storage capacity, or else you wouldn’t be able to delete notes that 
>you had saved on it. Can someone clarify about the storage capacity if it has 
>any, and how much?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 13, 2018, at 12:54 PM, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> Apparently you can compose a note on the device and send it to a smart phone 
> using a proprietary app.  it apparently does not have onboard storage 
> capacity.
> 
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 9:26 AM
> Subject: Brailliant BI 14
> 
> 
> I wonder if anyone has or has seen one of these in action. It’s just finally 
> been released, having been announced last year. It’s claim to fame is that it 
> instantly will sync with your eye devices via an app that’s available in the 
> App Store. What interests me is to know if the notetaking capability in the 
> device is independent. That is. Can you access the things you input using the 
> device, manipulating the notes, deleting them etc. If it’s not, I don’t find 
> this terribly interesting. But for just slightly less than $1000, I suppose 
> it could be interesting if it really could act as an independent notetaking 
> device. I’m also not thrilled with only 14 Braille cells. It’s hard to take 
> that seriously.
> Mary
> 
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RE: App for reading txt and pdf files

[Alan Lemly]

You might try the Dolphin Easy Reader. I've started playing around with it a 
bit but don't have much experience at this point. I still really like Voice 
Dream Reader and don't like learning a lot of apps the do the same thing.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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Anna Dresner
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 3:11 PM
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Hi,

 

YOu can also read PDFs in iBooks.

 

Best,

Anna

 

 

 





On Apr 13, 2018, at 2:43 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

 

What's wrong with using the Dropbox app and VoiceOver? 

Or, the app you used to create the text files.

I'm not sure exactly what you are wanting to do.

Richard

 

 

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On Apr 13, 2018, at 11:47 AM, Alexandra  wrote:

   Hi,

which app do you use for reading your own texts? I'm looking for an app that 
allows me to read my own txt and pdf files stored in dropbox conviniently. 
Voice dream reader wouldn't be my first choice, as I find it rather overloaded 
with features and don't like the way menues are presented. Any help is 
appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Alexandra


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RE: where am I

[Mr. Ed]

Yes Eric,
You better watch out for those UFO's LOL

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Eric Oyen
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 4:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: where am I

you should see what happens with my phone sometimes. I will have it sitting 
here on the desk and all of the sudden, it goes into do not disturb mode. 

So, I opened up one of the gPS apps I have (Navigon in this case) and left it 
run. when the Do Not Disturb popped up, I grabbed the phone and checked how far 
it allegedly moved. Here's the real kicker, for 2 minutes, it traveled 1000 
feet to the west at 672 mph, then proceeded 2000 feet to the east at 672 mph 
and went back and forth like that for 3 minutes. Yet, the phone physically 
didn't move.

The two things I noted about this:
1. the direction was always east and west
2. the speed of transit is always that of a jet aircraft at full cruise I think 
when it happens again, I am going to call up a friend of mine at sky harbor 
airport ops  and find out if there is any air traffic transiting the space 
above me at 30k feet going either east or west I have already checked with a 
ham radio sat tracker program I have here, so I know where the GPS sats are in 
near real time. If what I think is happening really is, then it would be 
possible to know when something is overflying my place. :)

-eric

On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

> GPS accuracy is going to be about 15 feet at best and sitting inside does not 
> give you good signal quality. The GPS signal is very weak, I read an article 
> once where they compared it with looking at a Christmas light that is up on a 
> satellite in space. Nowadays the receives are very good and sensitive, I 
> remember when I first had my retail store 18 years ago and sold Garmin GPS 
> units you often would not get a signal under heavy tree cover or if you were 
> in a narrow valley and even nowadays the accuracy can go way down the tube if 
> you are in a big city with lots of highrise building around you. GPS is 
> fantastic, but you have to be aware of its limitations and factor them in.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donald 
> Raikes
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:07 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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> 
> Sitting at my desk in my house, siri tells me I am next door so how reliable 
> is she ;-)
> 
> On 4/12/18, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> there is an app called "where the hell am I". It's free on the apple 
>> appstore and it works nicely.
>> 
>> Also, you can always ask the voice agent (Siri on the iPhone) your 
>> location.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Donald Raikes wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> This may be a "silly" question, but I figured I would ask it since 
>>> others may not know as well.
>>> When I am out taking our grand dog for a walk, I would like my IPhone 
>>> to help me determine when I am back home.  Our house is in the middle 
>>> of the block, and when I am out with my cane I count the mail boxes 
>>> to determine when I am at our house, but when walking the dog, she 
>>> doesn't allow me to count the mailboxes she just guides me arround 
>>> them (without any formal training).
>>> 
>>> Also if we go a different route, and approach from accross the street 
>>> I woul d like to know when we are accross from the house.
>>> 
>>> Is there a simple way to have my phone tell me that we are at home?
>>> 
>>> Any tips would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Don
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RE: Voice Synthesizers

[Richard Turner]

If you use insert+up arrow, does that not read the whole line?

Richard




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M Tobia
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 11:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Voice Synthesizers

I am using Money Talks and I find it difficult to understand the voice 
synthesizers that come with that product.  I have Zoom Text and Jaws Speech 
engines on my computer, but Money Talks cannot use them.

Using Jaws in Money Talks is clumsy.  Jaws only reads one cell at a time and 
require too much maneuvering  with the left and right arrow to read the content 
of the transactions. while Money Talk voices read the whole row as you down 
arrow through the transactions, Making navigation much easier and more 
efficient.

Does anyone know of any voice synthesizers that I can download that will work 
with that product.

Thanks.
Mario 


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Re: App for reading txt and pdf files

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

YOu can also read PDFs in iBooks.

Best,
Anna




> On Apr 13, 2018, at 2:43 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> What's wrong with using the Dropbox app and VoiceOver?
> Or, the app you used to create the text files.
> I'm not sure exactly what you are wanting to do.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
> 
> On Apr 13, 2018, at 11:47 AM, Alexandra  > wrote:
> 
>>Hi,
>> 
>> which app do you use for reading your own texts? I'm looking for an app that 
>> allows me to read my own txt and pdf files stored in dropbox conviniently. 
>> Voice dream reader wouldn't be my first choice, as I find it rather 
>> overloaded with features and don't like the way menues are presented. Any 
>> help is appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Alexandra
>> 
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Re: Brailliant BI 14

[Andy Baracco]

Apparently you can compose a note on the device and send it to a smart phone 
using a proprietary app.  it apparently does not have onboard storage 
capacity.


Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 9:26 AM
Subject: Brailliant BI 14


I wonder if anyone has or has seen one of these in action. It’s just finally 
been released, having been announced last year. It’s claim to fame is that 
it instantly will sync with your eye devices via an app that’s available in 
the App Store. What interests me is to know if the notetaking capability in 
the device is independent. That is. Can you access the things you input 
using the device, manipulating the notes, deleting them etc. If it’s not, I 
don’t find this terribly interesting. But for just slightly less than $1000, 
I suppose it could be interesting if it really could act as an independent 
notetaking device. I’m also not thrilled with only 14 Braille cells. It’s 
hard to take that seriously.

Mary


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Re: looking for feedback about problems with braille displays and typing feedback

[Scott Davert]

I've already filed that one on AppleVis and I will be doing so tonight
through the Feedback app. While it didn't start with the newest beta,
that doesn't mean it can't be reported that way. Smiles. I'm having
some other issues in 11.3 concerning text input. In messages
particularly, it seems that the braille driver is crashing. When I
type rapidly, VoiceOver will fall way behind early on. Have you
noticed this also?

Scott

On 4/11/18, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
> Hello,
> Thanks for your response. Hope that you and others with similar problem will
> consider reporting this to apple.
> Indeed the best way to deal with this for now is to turn off speech feedback
> completely.
> I find I got used to hearing if the word I typed was misspelled. I actually
> suggested to apple accessibility to add an option of having a sound for
> misspelled words that would be audible independent of the setting for
> VoiceOver feedback.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ioana
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 11, 2018, at 4:15 PM, Scott Davert 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ioana.
>> Yes, I had to turn on my speech to confirm this, but it is indeed
>> happening here as well.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Scott
>>
>>> On 4/11/18, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I wrote a while ago asking if anyone has typing feedback problems using
>>> braille displays with the iPhone. Getting no answer I assume nobody has
>>> such
>>> problems? Could anyone confirm that writing with braille display presents
>>> no
>>> problem with VoiceOver announcing words when typed?
>>> I am having an issue only when there is text after the input cursor. An
>>> example of this is typing in an email message where there is already a
>>> signature placed after the cursor.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any feedback about this.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Ioana
>>>
>>>
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RE: Voice Synthesizers

[llumpkin]

Hi. Money talks will work with jaws if you have installed the latest update. 

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Subject: Voice Synthesizers

I am using Money Talks and I find it difficult to understand the voice 
synthesizers that come with that product.  I have Zoom Text and Jaws Speech 
engines on my computer, but Money Talks cannot use them.

Using Jaws in Money Talks is clumsy.  Jaws only reads one cell at a time and 
require too much maneuvering  with the left and right arrow to read the content 
of the transactions. while Money Talk voices read the whole row as you down 
arrow through the transactions, Making navigation much easier and more 
efficient.

Does anyone know of any voice synthesizers that I can download that will work 
with that product.

Thanks.
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Re: Brailliant BI 14

[Ed Worrell]

Hello,

Only time will tell. I think that HumanWare is looking at the Brailliant BI 14 
being the only display for now with the sync feature, as it’s so portable. It 
is a great start to slightly more affordable braille displays.

Thanks,

Ed

> On Apr 13, 2018, at 1:45 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I also have the 32. I really like the ergonomics of it. But I would like 
> something that would let me take some notes. I certainly don’t want a 
> full-fledged blindness oriented note taker. But the ability to take notes or 
> have a list that I take to the store would be good. I was kind of hoping that 
> humanware would refresh their whole line with notetaking capability, kind of 
> like when I think freedom scientific is doing. But I guess that’s not 
> happening.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 13, 2018, at 12:39 PM, Maria Reyes  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi, 
>> I  have the Brailliant BI 32, but it's not an independent notetaker. 
>> Obviously since it has 32 cells it is a very big device. It's not as 
>> portable as my Refreshabraille 18 used to be. 
>> 
>> Sent from my sprint iPhone X!!!
>> 
>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 3:21 PM, 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ed 
>>> 
>>> I completely agree with all your points. 
>>> 
>>> The biggest improvement I’d like to see would be the ability to unlock/wake 
>>> your IOS device from the Brailliant, rather than it always having to be the 
>>> other way round - that got really frustrating!! 
>>> 
>>> On a slightly different point, but still one related to Braille 
>>> notetakers/displays. I’m currently writing a document in KeyWord on my 
>>> BrailleNote Touch, and I desperately need to put some page breaks in/force 
>>> the document to start a new page. I can’t work out for the life of me how 
>>> to do it. So if anyone knows would be much appreciated. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks. 
>>> 
>>> Eleanor
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On 13 Apr 2018, at 18:51, Ed Worrell >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hello,
 
 The Brailliant 14 is amazing. The connectivity is great. I did have an 
 issue getting it to connect in the beginning, but I think that was an iOS 
 issue. I restarted my phone and it finally was seen by the iPhone and 
 connected. I have not had any issues sense. The device is light in weight, 
 and the case is made of really nice feeling leather. 
 
 *Disclaimer: I am the HumanWare rep in Montana*
 
 Ed Worrell
 Co-Founder/CEO - OverHere Consulting LLP
 “Bringing Technology into Sight”
 www.overhereconsulting.net 
 406-992-0028
 
 
> On Apr 13, 2018, at 10:26 AM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
> 
> I wonder if anyone has or has seen one of these in action. It’s just 
> finally been released, having been announced last year. It’s claim to 
> fame is that it instantly will sync with your eye devices via an app 
> that’s available in the App Store. What interests me is to know if the 
> notetaking capability in the device is independent. That is. Can you 
> access the things you input using the device, manipulating the notes, 
> deleting them etc. If it’s not, I don’t find this terribly interesting. 
> But for just slightly less than $1000, I suppose it could be interesting 
> if it really could act as an independent notetaking device. I’m also not 
> thrilled with only 14 Braille cells. It’s hard to take that seriously.
> Mary
> 
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Re: Brailliant BI 14

[Mary Otten]

I also have the 32. I really like the ergonomics of it. But I would like 
something that would let me take some notes. I certainly don’t want a 
full-fledged blindness oriented note taker. But the ability to take notes or 
have a list that I take to the store would be good. I was kind of hoping that 
humanware would refresh their whole line with notetaking capability, kind of 
like when I think freedom scientific is doing. But I guess that’s not happening.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 13, 2018, at 12:39 PM, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> I  have the Brailliant BI 32, but it's not an independent notetaker. 
> Obviously since it has 32 cells it is a very big device. It's not as portable 
> as my Refreshabraille 18 used to be. 
> 
> Sent from my sprint iPhone X!!!
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 3:21 PM, 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ed 
>> 
>> I completely agree with all your points. 
>> 
>> The biggest improvement I’d like to see would be the ability to unlock/wake 
>> your IOS device from the Brailliant, rather than it always having to be the 
>> other way round - that got really frustrating!! 
>> 
>> On a slightly different point, but still one related to Braille 
>> notetakers/displays. I’m currently writing a document in KeyWord on my 
>> BrailleNote Touch, and I desperately need to put some page breaks in/force 
>> the document to start a new page. I can’t work out for the life of me how to 
>> do it. So if anyone knows would be much appreciated. 
>> 
>> Thanks. 
>> 
>> Eleanor
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 13 Apr 2018, at 18:51, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> The Brailliant 14 is amazing. The connectivity is great. I did have an 
>>> issue getting it to connect in the beginning, but I think that was an iOS 
>>> issue. I restarted my phone and it finally was seen by the iPhone and 
>>> connected. I have not had any issues sense. The device is light in weight, 
>>> and the case is made of really nice feeling leather. 
>>> 
>>> *Disclaimer: I am the HumanWare rep in Montana*
>>> 
>>> Ed Worrell
>>> Co-Founder/CEO - OverHere Consulting LLP
>>> “Bringing Technology into Sight”
>>> www.overhereconsulting.net
>>> 406-992-0028
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 13, 2018, at 10:26 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 I wonder if anyone has or has seen one of these in action. It’s just 
 finally been released, having been announced last year. It’s claim to fame 
 is that it instantly will sync with your eye devices via an app that’s 
 available in the App Store. What interests me is to know if the notetaking 
 capability in the device is independent. That is. Can you access the 
 things you input using the device, manipulating the notes, deleting them 
 etc. If it’s not, I don’t find this terribly interesting. But for just 
 slightly less than $1000, I suppose it could be interesting if it really 
 could act as an independent notetaking device. I’m also not thrilled with 
 only 14 Braille cells. It’s hard to take that seriously.
 Mary
 
 
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Re: App for reading txt and pdf files

[Richard Turner]

What's wrong with using the Dropbox app and VoiceOver?
Or, the app you used to create the text files.
I'm not sure exactly what you are wanting to do.
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 13, 2018, at 11:47 AM, Alexandra 
> wrote:

   Hi,

which app do you use for reading your own texts? I'm looking for an app that 
allows me to read my own txt and pdf files stored in dropbox conviniently. 
Voice dream reader wouldn't be my first choice, as I find it rather overloaded 
with features and don't like the way menues are presented. Any help is 
appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Alexandra


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Re: Brailliant BI 14

[Maria Reyes]

Hi, 
I  have the Brailliant BI 32, but it's not an independent notetaker. Obviously 
since it has 32 cells it is a very big device. It's not as portable as my 
Refreshabraille 18 used to be. 

Sent from my sprint iPhone X!!!

> On Apr 13, 2018, at 3:21 PM, 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ed 
> 
> I completely agree with all your points. 
> 
> The biggest improvement I’d like to see would be the ability to unlock/wake 
> your IOS device from the Brailliant, rather than it always having to be the 
> other way round - that got really frustrating!! 
> 
> On a slightly different point, but still one related to Braille 
> notetakers/displays. I’m currently writing a document in KeyWord on my 
> BrailleNote Touch, and I desperately need to put some page breaks in/force 
> the document to start a new page. I can’t work out for the life of me how to 
> do it. So if anyone knows would be much appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Eleanor
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 13 Apr 2018, at 18:51, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> The Brailliant 14 is amazing. The connectivity is great. I did have an issue 
>> getting it to connect in the beginning, but I think that was an iOS issue. I 
>> restarted my phone and it finally was seen by the iPhone and connected. I 
>> have not had any issues sense. The device is light in weight, and the case 
>> is made of really nice feeling leather. 
>> 
>> *Disclaimer: I am the HumanWare rep in Montana*
>> 
>> Ed Worrell
>> Co-Founder/CEO - OverHere Consulting LLP
>> “Bringing Technology into Sight”
>> www.overhereconsulting.net
>> 406-992-0028
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 10:26 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wonder if anyone has or has seen one of these in action. It’s just 
>>> finally been released, having been announced last year. It’s claim to fame 
>>> is that it instantly will sync with your eye devices via an app that’s 
>>> available in the App Store. What interests me is to know if the notetaking 
>>> capability in the device is independent. That is. Can you access the things 
>>> you input using the device, manipulating the notes, deleting them etc. If 
>>> it’s not, I don’t find this terribly interesting. But for just slightly 
>>> less than $1000, I suppose it could be interesting if it really could act 
>>> as an independent notetaking device. I’m also not thrilled with only 14 
>>> Braille cells. It’s hard to take that seriously.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Brailliant BI 14

['Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone]

Hi Ed 

I completely agree with all your points. 

The biggest improvement I’d like to see would be the ability to unlock/wake 
your IOS device from the Brailliant, rather than it always having to be the 
other way round - that got really frustrating!! 

On a slightly different point, but still one related to Braille 
notetakers/displays. I’m currently writing a document in KeyWord on my 
BrailleNote Touch, and I desperately need to put some page breaks in/force the 
document to start a new page. I can’t work out for the life of me how to do it. 
So if anyone knows would be much appreciated. 

Thanks. 

Eleanor

Sent from my iPad

> On 13 Apr 2018, at 18:51, Ed Worrell  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> The Brailliant 14 is amazing. The connectivity is great. I did have an issue 
> getting it to connect in the beginning, but I think that was an iOS issue. I 
> restarted my phone and it finally was seen by the iPhone and connected. I 
> have not had any issues sense. The device is light in weight, and the case is 
> made of really nice feeling leather. 
> 
> *Disclaimer: I am the HumanWare rep in Montana*
> 
> Ed Worrell
> Co-Founder/CEO - OverHere Consulting LLP
> “Bringing Technology into Sight”
> www.overhereconsulting.net
> 406-992-0028
> 
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 10:26 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if anyone has or has seen one of these in action. It’s just finally 
>> been released, having been announced last year. It’s claim to fame is that 
>> it instantly will sync with your eye devices via an app that’s available in 
>> the App Store. What interests me is to know if the notetaking capability in 
>> the device is independent. That is. Can you access the things you input 
>> using the device, manipulating the notes, deleting them etc. If it’s not, I 
>> don’t find this terribly interesting. But for just slightly less than $1000, 
>> I suppose it could be interesting if it really could act as an independent 
>> notetaking device. I’m also not thrilled with only 14 Braille cells. It’s 
>> hard to take that seriously.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
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Voice Synthesizers

[M Tobia]

I am using Money Talks and I find it difficult to understand the voice 
synthesizers that come with that product.  I have Zoom Text and Jaws Speech 
engines on my computer, but Money Talks cannot use them.

Using Jaws in Money Talks is clumsy.  Jaws only reads one cell at a time and 
require too much maneuvering  with the left and right arrow to read the content 
of the transactions. while Money Talk voices read the whole row as you down 
arrow through the transactions, Making navigation much easier and more 
efficient.

Does anyone know of any voice synthesizers that I can download that will work 
with that product.

Thanks.
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App for reading txt and pdf files

[Alexandra]

Hi,

which app do you use for reading your own texts? I'm looking for an app that 
allows me to read my own txt and pdf files stored in dropbox conviniently. 
Voice dream reader wouldn't be my first choice, as I find it rather overloaded 
with features and don't like the way menues are presented. Any help is 
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Re: T-downloader help!

[Jenifer Barr]

Zip files. Some are fine but some aren't. It may be the files that are no 
good... but then when I try again they are fine. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 13, 2018, at 12:43 PM, Candy Lowe  wrote:
> 
> what type of file are you trying to download? I use the app successfully with 
> the blind mice movie fault. I download the MP3 files.
> 
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>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:10 AM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
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>> I'm using T-downloader and I get a message that the file is done 
>> downloading. I go to the file in the "files" list and it says it is not even 
>> remotely close to the size it is supposed to be. I see the entire file in my 
>> downloads list... and it is the right size. When I doubletap on the file in 
>> the downloads list the only option is "show in files." Can someone please 
>> help? I don't@ want to keep downloading this file as not to use all my data. 
>> Is it complete or no? If it isn't why dont I have an option to resume the 
>> download? Can anyone recommend another better file download option? 
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ifttt app?

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Anybody use the ifttt app to say how accessible and so on it might be?

The one for doing routines for Alexa Echo.

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RE: Scrole wheel on watch

[Steve Sweeney]

Nice, Thanks Anna

-Steve

 

 

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Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 1:49 PM
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Subject: Re: Scrole wheel on watch

 

Hi Steve,

 

yOu might have turned on VoiceOVer Navigation, which makes the digital crown 
flick through items on the screen instead of perform its normal functions. To 
find out triple-tap with two fingers. VoiceOver will say, "Digital crown 
navigation on" or "Digital crown navigation off." You can repeat the command if 
necessary to togggle navigation on or off.

 

Best,

Anna

 

 

 





On Apr 13, 2018, at 12:18 PM, Steve Sweeney  > wrote:

 

Hi all,

Somehow I have managed to turn off the scrole wheel function on my watch.  I 
have no idea how I did that or no idea how to turn it back on.  Anyone know how 
I did that or how I can fix it?

Thanks -Steve

 

 

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Re: Brailliant BI 14

[Ed Worrell]

Hello,

The Brailliant 14 is amazing. The connectivity is great. I did have an issue 
getting it to connect in the beginning, but I think that was an iOS issue. I 
restarted my phone and it finally was seen by the iPhone and connected. I have 
not had any issues sense. The device is light in weight, and the case is made 
of really nice feeling leather. 

*Disclaimer: I am the HumanWare rep in Montana*

Ed Worrell
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“Bringing Technology into Sight”
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406-992-0028


> On Apr 13, 2018, at 10:26 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> been released, having been announced last year. It’s claim to fame is that it 
> instantly will sync with your eye devices via an app that’s available in the 
> App Store. What interests me is to know if the notetaking capability in the 
> device is independent. That is. Can you access the things you input using the 
> device, manipulating the notes, deleting them etc. If it’s not, I don’t find 
> this terribly interesting. But for just slightly less than $1000, I suppose 
> it could be interesting if it really could act as an independent notetaking 
> device. I’m also not thrilled with only 14 Braille cells. It’s hard to take 
> that seriously.
> Mary
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Re: Scrole wheel on watch

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Steve,

yOu might have turned on VoiceOVer Navigation, which makes the digital crown 
flick through items on the screen instead of perform its normal functions. To 
find out triple-tap with two fingers. VoiceOver will say, "Digital crown 
navigation on" or "Digital crown navigation off." You can repeat the command if 
necessary to togggle navigation on or off.

Best,
Anna




> On Apr 13, 2018, at 12:18 PM, Steve Sweeney  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Somehow I have managed to turn off the scrole wheel function on my watch.  I 
> have no idea how I did that or no idea how to turn it back on.  Anyone know 
> how I did that or how I can fix it?
> Thanks -Steve
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Scrole wheel on watch

[Steve Sweeney]

Hi all,

Somehow I have managed to turn off the scrole wheel function on my watch.  I
have no idea how I did that or no idea how to turn it back on.  Anyone know
how I did that or how I can fix it?

Thanks -Steve

 

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Re: Brailliant BI 14

[Mary Otten]

Oh wow! Sorry to hear about the battery problem. I’m also curious to know what 
the improvements are that you would like to see. I’m really glad it can be used 
independently to access whatever you put in there. I wouldn’t see writing an 
essay on it either. 14 sell display just wouldn’t lend itself to reading an 
essay for one thing. But I could see it for meeting notes and shopping list 
etc. Just I wish it had maybe 20 sales. I would pay a bit more for a few more 
cells. Oh well.
Mary


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> On Apr 13, 2018, at 9:37 AM, 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone 
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> Hi Mary 
> 
> Yes, I’ve seen and have purchased a Brailliant BI 14. It arrived a couple of 
> weeks ago, and I’ve been getting on well with it. It can either act as a 
> Braille display and keyboard for your I-device, or it can act as a totally 
> independent note taker. 
> 
> Where interacting with an I-device is concerned, it seems to work very well 
> and does everything you’d expect it to. I do have a couple of criticisms of 
> it, but they are more like things that HumanWare could do to further improve 
> the device as opposed to actual criticisms, and I’ll certainly be feeding 
> those back. 
> 
> From the point of view of the independent notetaker, yes, it works, and yes, 
> you can delete notes etc. You can also then sync your notes to your I-devices 
> if/when you want to. Not sure I’d go writing an essay on it, but in terms of 
> ease, portability, and use on the go then yes, it seems good. 
> 
> I was meant to be having a day’s training on it, but that’s been postponed 
> for now as the units have been recalled (something to do with the battery). 
> So hopefully once that’s happened I’ll know more about it. 
> 
> Eleanor
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 13 Apr 2018, at 17:26, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if anyone has or has seen one of these in action. It’s just finally 
>> been released, having been announced last year. It’s claim to fame is that 
>> it instantly will sync with your eye devices via an app that’s available in 
>> the App Store. What interests me is to know if the notetaking capability in 
>> the device is independent. That is. Can you access the things you input 
>> using the device, manipulating the notes, deleting them etc. If it’s not, I 
>> don’t find this terribly interesting. But for just slightly less than $1000, 
>> I suppose it could be interesting if it really could act as an independent 
>> notetaking device. I’m also not thrilled with only 14 Braille cells. It’s 
>> hard to take that seriously.
>> Mary
>> 
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Re: T-downloader help!

[Candy Lowe]

what type of file are you trying to download? I use the app successfully with 
the blind mice movie fault. I download the MP3 files.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:10 AM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> I'm using T-downloader and I get a message that the file is done downloading. 
> I go to the file in the "files" list and it says it is not even remotely 
> close to the size it is supposed to be. I see the entire file in my downloads 
> list... and it is the right size. When I doubletap on the file in the 
> downloads list the only option is "show in files." Can someone please help? I 
> don't@ want to keep downloading this file as not to use all my data. Is it 
> complete or no? If it isn't why dont I have an option to resume the download? 
> Can anyone recommend another better file download option? 
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Re: Brailliant BI 14

['Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone]

Hi Mary 

Yes, I’ve seen and have purchased a Brailliant BI 14. It arrived a couple of 
weeks ago, and I’ve been getting on well with it. It can either act as a 
Braille display and keyboard for your I-device, or it can act as a totally 
independent note taker. 

Where interacting with an I-device is concerned, it seems to work very well and 
does everything you’d expect it to. I do have a couple of criticisms of it, but 
they are more like things that HumanWare could do to further improve the device 
as opposed to actual criticisms, and I’ll certainly be feeding those back. 

>From the point of view of the independent notetaker, yes, it works, and yes, 
>you can delete notes etc. You can also then sync your notes to your I-devices 
>if/when you want to. Not sure I’d go writing an essay on it, but in terms of 
>ease, portability, and use on the go then yes, it seems good. 

I was meant to be having a day’s training on it, but that’s been postponed for 
now as the units have been recalled (something to do with the battery). So 
hopefully once that’s happened I’ll know more about it. 

Eleanor

Sent from my iPad

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> 
> I wonder if anyone has or has seen one of these in action. It’s just finally 
> been released, having been announced last year. It’s claim to fame is that it 
> instantly will sync with your eye devices via an app that’s available in the 
> App Store. What interests me is to know if the notetaking capability in the 
> device is independent. That is. Can you access the things you input using the 
> device, manipulating the notes, deleting them etc. If it’s not, I don’t find 
> this terribly interesting. But for just slightly less than $1000, I suppose 
> it could be interesting if it really could act as an independent notetaking 
> device. I’m also not thrilled with only 14 Braille cells. It’s hard to take 
> that seriously.
> Mary
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Brailliant BI 14

[Mary Otten]

I wonder if anyone has or has seen one of these in action. It’s just finally 
been released, having been announced last year. It’s claim to fame is that it 
instantly will sync with your eye devices via an app that’s available in the 
App Store. What interests me is to know if the notetaking capability in the 
device is independent. That is. Can you access the things you input using the 
device, manipulating the notes, deleting them etc. If it’s not, I don’t find 
this terribly interesting. But for just slightly less than $1000, I suppose it 
could be interesting if it really could act as an independent notetaking 
device. I’m also not thrilled with only 14 Braille cells. It’s hard to take 
that seriously.
Mary


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Re: where am I

[Eric Oyen]

unfortunately, given some "features" of my psyche, some kinds of humor are not 
comprehended. :( it's part and parcel of being on the asperger's spectrum. It's 
also probably why it is that I am so good at technology related items. 

anyway, on the technical end of things, the nearest thing I can figure on the 
daily (and always inside the same 2 hour window) is that I am seeing a 
reflection of signal off an aircraft in the aircraft control corridor that 
exists from here to california. in any case, it makes for an interesting math 
problem. :)

-eric

On Apr 13, 2018, at 8:29 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:

> That was intended to be a joke!  
> 
> 
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - Dear Optimist, Pessimist, and Realist, While you guys were busy arguing 
> about the glass of water, I drank it!
> - Sincerely, The Opportunist
> 
> 
> On Apr 13, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> um, that is not exactly the way that GPS works. In order for this "hand off" 
> to occur, there would also have to be interaction from the device to the sats 
> and there just isn't the spectrum space or bandwidth to handle several tens 
> of millions of devices simultaneously. the gPS units on the ground are 
> strictly receivers.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Apr 13, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:
> 
>> Given what Eric wrote about his GPS “speed of light” experience, I have to 
>> wonder if Eric is not sitting on the cusp of two separate satellites that 
>> are continually “handing off” his device to each other.  Just a thought.
>> 
>> 
>> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
>> - "A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he 
>> resents."
>> - German Aphorist, Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799)
>> 
>> On Apr 13, 2018, at 4:01 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> 
>> you should see what happens with my phone sometimes. I will have it sitting 
>> here on the desk and all of the sudden, it goes into do not disturb mode. 
>> 
>> So, I opened up one of the gPS apps I have (Navigon in this case) and left 
>> it run. when the Do Not Disturb popped up, I grabbed the phone and checked 
>> how far it allegedly moved. Here's the real kicker, for 2 minutes, it 
>> traveled 1000 feet to the west at 672 mph, then proceeded 2000 feet to the 
>> east at 672 mph and went back and forth like that for 3 minutes. Yet, the 
>> phone physically didn't move.
>> 
>> The two things I noted about this:
>> 1. the direction was always east and west
>> 2. the speed of transit is always that of a jet aircraft at full cruise I 
>> think when it happens again, I am going to call up a friend of mine at sky 
>> harbor airport ops  and find out if there is any air traffic transiting the 
>> space above me at 30k feet going either east or west I have already checked 
>> with a ham radio sat tracker program I have here, so I know where the GPS 
>> sats are in near real time. If what I think is happening really is, then it 
>> would be possible to know when something is overflying my place. :)
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>> 
>>> GPS accuracy is going to be about 15 feet at best and sitting inside does 
>>> not give you good signal quality. The GPS signal is very weak, I read an 
>>> article once where they compared it with looking at a Christmas light that 
>>> is up on a satellite in space. Nowadays the receives are very good and 
>>> sensitive, I remember when I first had my retail store 18 years ago and 
>>> sold Garmin GPS units you often would not get a signal under heavy tree 
>>> cover or if you were in a narrow valley and even nowadays the accuracy can 
>>> go way down the tube if you are in a big city with lots of highrise 
>>> building around you. GPS is fantastic, but you have to be aware of its 
>>> limitations and factor them in.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Donald Raikes
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:07 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: where am I
>>> 
>>> Sitting at my desk in my house, siri tells me I am next door so how 
>>> reliable is she ;-)
>>> 
>>> On 4/12/18, Eric Oyen  wrote:
 there is an app called "where the hell am I". It's free on the apple 
 appstore and it works nicely.
 
 Also, you can always ask the voice agent (Siri on the iPhone) your 
 location.
 
 -eric
 
 On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Donald Raikes wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> This may be a "silly" question, but I figured I would ask it since 
> others may not know as well.
> When I am out taking our grand dog for a walk, I would like my IPhone 
> to help me determine when I am back home.  Our house is in the middle 
> of the block, and when I am out with my cane I count the mail boxes 
> to determine when I am at our house, but when walking the dog, 

Re: where am I

[Bill Gallik]

That was intended to be a joke!    


- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- Dear Optimist, Pessimist, and Realist, While you guys were busy arguing about 
the glass of water, I drank it!
- Sincerely, The Opportunist


On Apr 13, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:

um, that is not exactly the way that GPS works. In order for this "hand off" to 
occur, there would also have to be interaction from the device to the sats and 
there just isn't the spectrum space or bandwidth to handle several tens of 
millions of devices simultaneously. the gPS units on the ground are strictly 
receivers.

-eric

On Apr 13, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:

> Given what Eric wrote about his GPS “speed of light” experience, I have to 
> wonder if Eric is not sitting on the cusp of two separate satellites that are 
> continually “handing off” his device to each other.  Just a thought.
> 
> 
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - "A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he 
> resents."
> - German Aphorist, Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799)
> 
> On Apr 13, 2018, at 4:01 AM, Eric Oyen   > wrote:
> 
> you should see what happens with my phone sometimes. I will have it sitting 
> here on the desk and all of the sudden, it goes into do not disturb mode. 
> 
> So, I opened up one of the gPS apps I have (Navigon in this case) and left it 
> run. when the Do Not Disturb popped up, I grabbed the phone and checked how 
> far it allegedly moved. Here's the real kicker, for 2 minutes, it traveled 
> 1000 feet to the west at 672 mph, then proceeded 2000 feet to the east at 672 
> mph and went back and forth like that for 3 minutes. Yet, the phone 
> physically didn't move.
> 
> The two things I noted about this:
> 1. the direction was always east and west
> 2. the speed of transit is always that of a jet aircraft at full cruise I 
> think when it happens again, I am going to call up a friend of mine at sky 
> harbor airport ops  and find out if there is any air traffic transiting the 
> space above me at 30k feet going either east or west I have already checked 
> with a ham radio sat tracker program I have here, so I know where the GPS 
> sats are in near real time. If what I think is happening really is, then it 
> would be possible to know when something is overflying my place. :)
> 
> -Eric
> 
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> 
>> GPS accuracy is going to be about 15 feet at best and sitting inside does 
>> not give you good signal quality. The GPS signal is very weak, I read an 
>> article once where they compared it with looking at a Christmas light that 
>> is up on a satellite in space. Nowadays the receives are very good and 
>> sensitive, I remember when I first had my retail store 18 years ago and sold 
>> Garmin GPS units you often would not get a signal under heavy tree cover or 
>> if you were in a narrow valley and even nowadays the accuracy can go way 
>> down the tube if you are in a big city with lots of highrise building around 
>> you. GPS is fantastic, but you have to be aware of its limitations and 
>> factor them in.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> > On Behalf Of 
>> Donald Raikes
>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:07 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: where am I
>> 
>> Sitting at my desk in my house, siri tells me I am next door so how reliable 
>> is she ;-)
>> 
>> On 4/12/18, Eric Oyen > 
>> wrote:
>>> there is an app called "where the hell am I". It's free on the apple 
>>> appstore and it works nicely.
>>> 
>>> Also, you can always ask the voice agent (Siri on the iPhone) your 
>>> location.
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Donald Raikes wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 This may be a "silly" question, but I figured I would ask it since 
 others may not know as well.
 When I am out taking our grand dog for a walk, I would like my IPhone 
 to help me determine when I am back home.  Our house is in the middle 
 of the block, and when I am out with my cane I count the mail boxes 
 to determine when I am at our house, but when walking the dog, she 
 doesn't allow me to count the mailboxes she just guides me arround 
 them (without any formal training).
 
 Also if we go a different route, and approach from accross the street 
 I woul d like to know when we are accross from the house.
 
 Is there a simple way to have my phone tell me that we are at home?
 
 Any tips would be appreciated.
 
 Don
 
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Re: where am I

[Eric Oyen]

um, that is not exactly the way that GPS works. In order for this "hand off" to 
occur, there would also have to be interaction from the device to the sats and 
there just isn't the spectrum space or bandwidth to handle several tens of 
millions of devices simultaneously. the gPS units on the ground are strictly 
receivers.

-eric

On Apr 13, 2018, at 7:12 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:

> Given what Eric wrote about his GPS “speed of light” experience, I have to 
> wonder if Eric is not sitting on the cusp of two separate satellites that are 
> continually “handing off” his device to each other.  Just a thought.
> 
> 
> - Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
> - "A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he 
> resents."
> - German Aphorist, Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799)
> 
> On Apr 13, 2018, at 4:01 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> you should see what happens with my phone sometimes. I will have it sitting 
> here on the desk and all of the sudden, it goes into do not disturb mode. 
> 
> So, I opened up one of the gPS apps I have (Navigon in this case) and left it 
> run. when the Do Not Disturb popped up, I grabbed the phone and checked how 
> far it allegedly moved. Here's the real kicker, for 2 minutes, it traveled 
> 1000 feet to the west at 672 mph, then proceeded 2000 feet to the east at 672 
> mph and went back and forth like that for 3 minutes. Yet, the phone 
> physically didn't move.
> 
> The two things I noted about this:
> 1. the direction was always east and west
> 2. the speed of transit is always that of a jet aircraft at full cruise I 
> think when it happens again, I am going to call up a friend of mine at sky 
> harbor airport ops  and find out if there is any air traffic transiting the 
> space above me at 30k feet going either east or west I have already checked 
> with a ham radio sat tracker program I have here, so I know where the GPS 
> sats are in near real time. If what I think is happening really is, then it 
> would be possible to know when something is overflying my place. :)
> 
> -Eric
> 
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> 
>> GPS accuracy is going to be about 15 feet at best and sitting inside does 
>> not give you good signal quality. The GPS signal is very weak, I read an 
>> article once where they compared it with looking at a Christmas light that 
>> is up on a satellite in space. Nowadays the receives are very good and 
>> sensitive, I remember when I first had my retail store 18 years ago and sold 
>> Garmin GPS units you often would not get a signal under heavy tree cover or 
>> if you were in a narrow valley and even nowadays the accuracy can go way 
>> down the tube if you are in a big city with lots of highrise building around 
>> you. GPS is fantastic, but you have to be aware of its limitations and 
>> factor them in.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Donald Raikes
>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:07 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: where am I
>> 
>> Sitting at my desk in my house, siri tells me I am next door so how reliable 
>> is she ;-)
>> 
>> On 4/12/18, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>>> there is an app called "where the hell am I". It's free on the apple 
>>> appstore and it works nicely.
>>> 
>>> Also, you can always ask the voice agent (Siri on the iPhone) your 
>>> location.
>>> 
>>> -eric
>>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Donald Raikes wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 This may be a "silly" question, but I figured I would ask it since 
 others may not know as well.
 When I am out taking our grand dog for a walk, I would like my IPhone 
 to help me determine when I am back home.  Our house is in the middle 
 of the block, and when I am out with my cane I count the mail boxes 
 to determine when I am at our house, but when walking the dog, she 
 doesn't allow me to count the mailboxes she just guides me arround 
 them (without any formal training).
 
 Also if we go a different route, and approach from accross the street 
 I woul d like to know when we are accross from the house.
 
 Is there a simple way to have my phone tell me that we are at home?
 
 Any tips would be appreciated.
 
 Don
 
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RE: Overcast: Streaming or Downloading?

[Alan Lemly]

Kelby,

It sounds as if you've got the correct setting for streaming new episodes when 
played. If the episodes are still being downloaded, I could not find a setting 
that would prevent this. I assume you've got your delete played episodes 
setting set to when completed so that they don't linger on your device taking 
up space. My opinion is that based on the language used in these various 
settings, an automatic download that can't be changed must occur. 

I found an excellent article reviewing Overcast and comparing it with a few 
other podcast apps here:

https://thesweetsetup.com/apps/our-favorite-podcast-client-for-ios/

It did mention the ability of Overcast to stream but didn't say anything about 
your issue of preventing any episode downloads.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
kelby carlson
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 7:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Overcast: Streaming or Downloading?

All,

In Overcast, I have new episodes set to stream. However, when I click on a new 
episode it still ends up downloading while it is playing. (So, for instance, if 
I go offline I can still listen to it.) I want the episodes to stream without 
actually downloading to my phone. Is this possible?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: where am I

[Bill Gallik]

Given what Eric wrote about his GPS “speed of light” experience, I have to 
wonder if Eric is not sitting on the cusp of two separate satellites that are 
continually “handing off” his device to each other.  Just a thought.


- Bill from Ino, Wisconsin
- "A person reveals his character by nothing so clearly as the joke he resents."
- German Aphorist, Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799)

On Apr 13, 2018, at 4:01 AM, Eric Oyen  wrote:

you should see what happens with my phone sometimes. I will have it sitting 
here on the desk and all of the sudden, it goes into do not disturb mode. 

So, I opened up one of the gPS apps I have (Navigon in this case) and left it 
run. when the Do Not Disturb popped up, I grabbed the phone and checked how far 
it allegedly moved. Here's the real kicker, for 2 minutes, it traveled 1000 
feet to the west at 672 mph, then proceeded 2000 feet to the east at 672 mph 
and went back and forth like that for 3 minutes. Yet, the phone physically 
didn't move.

The two things I noted about this:
1. the direction was always east and west
2. the speed of transit is always that of a jet aircraft at full cruise I think 
when it happens again, I am going to call up a friend of mine at sky harbor 
airport ops  and find out if there is any air traffic transiting the space 
above me at 30k feet going either east or west I have already checked with a 
ham radio sat tracker program I have here, so I know where the GPS sats are in 
near real time. If what I think is happening really is, then it would be 
possible to know when something is overflying my place. :)

-Eric

On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

> GPS accuracy is going to be about 15 feet at best and sitting inside does not 
> give you good signal quality. The GPS signal is very weak, I read an article 
> once where they compared it with looking at a Christmas light that is up on a 
> satellite in space. Nowadays the receives are very good and sensitive, I 
> remember when I first had my retail store 18 years ago and sold Garmin GPS 
> units you often would not get a signal under heavy tree cover or if you were 
> in a narrow valley and even nowadays the accuracy can go way down the tube if 
> you are in a big city with lots of highrise building around you. GPS is 
> fantastic, but you have to be aware of its limitations and factor them in.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donald 
> Raikes
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:07 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: where am I
> 
> Sitting at my desk in my house, siri tells me I am next door so how reliable 
> is she ;-)
> 
> On 4/12/18, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> there is an app called "where the hell am I". It's free on the apple 
>> appstore and it works nicely.
>> 
>> Also, you can always ask the voice agent (Siri on the iPhone) your 
>> location.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Donald Raikes wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> This may be a "silly" question, but I figured I would ask it since 
>>> others may not know as well.
>>> When I am out taking our grand dog for a walk, I would like my IPhone 
>>> to help me determine when I am back home.  Our house is in the middle 
>>> of the block, and when I am out with my cane I count the mail boxes 
>>> to determine when I am at our house, but when walking the dog, she 
>>> doesn't allow me to count the mailboxes she just guides me arround 
>>> them (without any formal training).
>>> 
>>> Also if we go a different route, and approach from accross the street 
>>> I woul d like to know when we are accross from the house.
>>> 
>>> Is there a simple way to have my phone tell me that we are at home?
>>> 
>>> Any tips would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Don
>>> 
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Re: NOAA weather radio app

[Yolanda Thompson]

Wow, thanks for the news concerning this app.  When I tried it about a
month ago, I felt it was not very accessible.  Will try again though.

On 4/13/18, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone  wrote:
> one of the functions of location tracking should be that the station closest
> to you would be higher on the list. For example, I am in close proximity to
> CAK so the first station I should see is KDO94 If I were closer to CLE, I
> should see that station first.
>
> From: Bill Outman
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 05:10
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: NOAA weather radio app
>
> I thought I saw something about location tracking in the app someplace, I’m
> not sure.  It never asked me when I installed it to track my location.  Not
> sure what good it would do since the station selection is good, at least one
> station in every state and D. C. and Puerto plus some Canadian provinces,
> but isn’t exhaustive.  If it did track location you might be able to set up
> automatic alerts of warnings, and there are other ways of getting those.
>
>
>
> Hope this info is of some value.
>
>
>
> Bill Outman
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 2:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: NOAA weather radio app
>
>
>
> I’m surprised that does not appear to use location tracking.
>
>
>
> From: Bill Outman
>
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 01:58
>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> Subject: RE: NOAA weather radio app
>
>
>
> I am running this app with an iPhone 5S with iOS 10; that is all about to be
> upgraded at some point soon.  So I can’t speak to if it even works in
> version 11.
>
>
>
> Most of the buttons and tabs seem to speak.  I usually use the radio tab and
> swipe over to the list of states and provinces, which will list the
> available stations.  I can enter a state, such as Florida, where I happen to
> live, and go through the list of stations and double tap the button for the
> staion I want, for example Daytona Beach, which is my local station.  It
> doesn’t have every station in the system, but it does  have quite a
> selection.  Sometimes you have to be aware of where the station might be
> located, for example, if you were looking for Cincinnati, you would not find
> it in Ohio since the station is over the river in Covington, Kentucky, so it
> is in that list.  I discovered that when I was chedcking weather for the
> Cubs vs. Reds baseball series last week.
>
>
>
> When you open a station it should automatically play, and then you can swipe
> right over to pause to stop the broadcast when you are done, which is
> announced.
>
>
>
> I had originally found this app through ViA, which was an accessible app
> guide app from the Braill Institute of Los Angeles which I used to have on
> my phone.  I took ViA off my phone as it was taking up a small amount of
> space, I wasn’t really using it any more and I was unsure it it would
> survive transitioning to iOS 11.  So it seems to be a handy app to have
> around; I hope it survives the upgrade.
>
>
>
> Bill Outman
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 1:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: NOAA weather radio app
>
>
>
> what if any experience have any of you had with this app from the VO
> accessibility perspective?
> Ray T. Mahorney
> WA4WGA
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RE: Weight Watcher's App

[Rizzino, Bonnie]

I have recently started to use this app and it is accessible.

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All:

Does anyone know if this app is still accessible? Several years ago I used it 
and it was. However, recently a friend joined it and apparently it is not 
working for her. I’m sure it has been upgraded many times since I used it. Any 
info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

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Overcast: Streaming or Downloading?

[kelby carlson]

All,

In Overcast, I have new episodes set to stream. However, when I click on a new 
episode it still ends up downloading while it is playing. (So, for instance, if 
I go offline I can still listen to it.) I want the episodes to stream without 
actually downloading to my phone. Is this possible?

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Re: NOAA weather radio app

['Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone]

one of the functions of location tracking should be that the station closest to 
you would be higher on the list. For example, I am in close proximity to CAK so 
the first station I should see is KDO94 If I were closer to CLE, I should see 
that station first.

From: Bill Outman 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 05:10
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: NOAA weather radio app

I thought I saw something about location tracking in the app someplace, I’m not 
sure.  It never asked me when I installed it to track my location.  Not sure 
what good it would do since the station selection is good, at least one station 
in every state and D. C. and Puerto plus some Canadian provinces, but isn’t 
exhaustive.  If it did track location you might be able to set up automatic 
alerts of warnings, and there are other ways of getting those.  

 

Hope this info is of some value.  

 

Bill Outman 

 

 

 

From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 2:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NOAA weather radio app

 

I’m surprised that does not appear to use location tracking.

 

From: Bill Outman 

Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 01:58

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: NOAA weather radio app

 

I am running this app with an iPhone 5S with iOS 10; that is all about to be 
upgraded at some point soon.  So I can’t speak to if it even works in version 
11.  

 

Most of the buttons and tabs seem to speak.  I usually use the radio tab and 
swipe over to the list of states and provinces, which will list the available 
stations.  I can enter a state, such as Florida, where I happen to live, and go 
through the list of stations and double tap the button for the staion I want, 
for example Daytona Beach, which is my local station.  It doesn’t have every 
station in the system, but it does  have quite a selection.  Sometimes you have 
to be aware of where the station might be located, for example, if you were 
looking for Cincinnati, you would not find it in Ohio since the station is over 
the river in Covington, Kentucky, so it is in that list.  I discovered that 
when I was chedcking weather for the Cubs vs. Reds baseball series last week.  

 

When you open a station it should automatically play, and then you can swipe 
right over to pause to stop the broadcast when you are done, which is 
announced.  

 

I had originally found this app through ViA, which was an accessible app guide 
app from the Braill Institute of Los Angeles which I used to have on my phone.  
I took ViA off my phone as it was taking up a small amount of space, I wasn’t 
really using it any more and I was unsure it it would survive transitioning to 
iOS 11.  So it seems to be a handy app to have around; I hope it survives the 
upgrade.  

 

Bill Outman 

 

 

 

From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 1:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: NOAA weather radio app

 

what if any experience have any of you had with this app from the VO 
accessibility perspective?
Ray T. Mahorney
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Re: How to mute iPad 6

[Maria Reyes]

Hi
She might have to mute it through control center if the iPad doesn’t have a 
mute switch 

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> Hi all,
> I purchased an iPad6 for my wife the other day. Her iPad Air had a mute 
> switch on the side to mute all sounds. The 6 does not have this switch. So 
> how do we mute it? She uses the mute switch when she does not wish to hear 
> incoming Face time calls or sounds when playing a game.
> Thanks as always for any help.
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Re: where am I

[Janet Bell]

hay Sandy what is a bluetooth beacon and where do you get them?   a nosey Janet

From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 10:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: where am I

I am thinking, this might be a case for a Bluetooth beacon? They are more 
accurate than GPS.
Sandy

Sent from The dark side of the moon

On 12 Apr 2018, at 18:22, Richard Turner  wrote:



  Donald, 
  Test Siri when you are outside in front of your house.
  GPS accuracy goes down as soon as you go into a building.
  But, remember, all GPS accuracy is dependent on a lot of factors and I would 
not trust it for pinpoint locations, but it can be very good within 50 feet or 
so if all is well.
  JMO,
  Richard




  “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 

  - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1


  On Apr 12, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:


Take a look at: 


Ariadne GPS by Giovanni Ciaffoni 
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/ariadne-gps/id441063072?mt=8


I have used this to monitor where I am and to track house numbers and 
streets when out.

You can have an alarm sound when you are approaching a designated 
favourite.Sent from my iPhone

On 12 Apr 2018, at 17:59, Johnna Simmons  wrote:


  I did a search on the App Store for this app. I did not see a free 
version. The one I saw past $.99. I don’t like to buy any apps unless I am 
absolutely certain that they are voiceover accessible. Is this one completely 
accessible?

  Live the life you want. Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 12, 2018, at 12:45 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:



there is an app called "where the hell am I". It's free on the apple 
appstore and it works nicely.



Also, you can always ask the voice agent (Siri on the iPhone) your 
location.



-eric



  On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Donald Raikes wrote:



  Hi,



  This may be a "silly" question, but I figured I would ask it since

  others may not know as well.

  When I am out taking our grand dog for a walk, I would like my IPhone

  to help me determine when I am back home.  Our house is in the middle

  of the block, and when I am out with my cane I count the mail boxes to

  determine when I am at our house, but when walking the dog, she

  doesn't allow me to count the mailboxes she just guides me arround

  them (without any formal training).



  Also if we go a different route, and approach from accross the street

  I woul d like to know when we are accross from the house.



  Is there a simple way to have my phone tell me that we are at home?



  Any tips would be appreciated.



  Don



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Placed order with Safeway: wasn’t easy

[Kathy Brandt]

Not like it used to be. Thankfully, you could read all the items in your cart, 
which had been a problem before when I could read the first few items, but then 
it’s skipped to the end of what I had, and so had to scroll backwards a few 
lines at a time to get a semblance of what else was there. However, when in 
promotional items, and if you went to a particular one, and added one to your 
cart, it could take a little doing since you can’t scroll through many items at 
a time, to find where you left off in the list.

The fun really began at checkout time: as was my previous problem, I could 
select the date, but not the order time, which proved to be the case when I 
went to the website. I then tried turning voiceover off, and double tapping 
time I wanted. It worked. I wish they would just have links for the times the 
way they used to; I’m not really sure what the enabled and disabled arrows are 
supposed to do.  For my substitutions, when I wasn’t sure when I hit no 
substitutions that it was actually selected, since there was no feedback, I 
went into the customize area, and selected the third check box for each item, 
and was able to find out later that that third check box was correct, when it 
said “no substitutions, 11 items“. After my date and time were selected, I was 
able to add my promotional codes. Then, for “place order”, on the website, I 
couldn’t get that button to work, even turning voiceover off, trying a number 
of times. When I closed out of Safari and went back into the app, however, the 
place order button worked. I wanted to see if I could change The day and 
delivery time in the app: again, I had to turn voiceover off, hopefully double 
tap on the right place for selecting my time, and turn voiceover back on. I did 
this in the place where it says to edit pending orders, choosing the option 
where it says to edit date and time. This is no way to have to check out; I 
just wanted to do it to see if in any way it was possible to get through the 
order process.

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RE: NOAA weather radio app

[Bill Outman]

I thought I saw something about location tracking in the app someplace, I’m not 
sure.  It never asked me when I installed it to track my location.  Not sure 
what good it would do since the station selection is good, at least one station 
in every state and D. C. and Puerto plus some Canadian provinces, but isn’t 
exhaustive.  If it did track location you might be able to set up automatic 
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Hope this info is of some value.  

 

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From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 2:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NOAA weather radio app

 

I’m surprised that does not appear to use location tracking.

 

From: Bill Outman   

Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 01:58

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: NOAA weather radio app

 

I am running this app with an iPhone 5S with iOS 10; that is all about to be 
upgraded at some point soon.  So I can’t speak to if it even works in version 
11.  

 

Most of the buttons and tabs seem to speak.  I usually use the radio tab and 
swipe over to the list of states and provinces, which will list the available 
stations.  I can enter a state, such as Florida, where I happen to live, and go 
through the list of stations and double tap the button for the staion I want, 
for example Daytona Beach, which is my local station.  It doesn’t have every 
station in the system, but it does  have quite a selection.  Sometimes you have 
to be aware of where the station might be located, for example, if you were 
looking for Cincinnati, you would not find it in Ohio since the station is over 
the river in Covington, Kentucky, so it is in that list.  I discovered that 
when I was chedcking weather for the Cubs vs. Reds baseball series last week.  

 

When you open a station it should automatically play, and then you can swipe 
right over to pause to stop the broadcast when you are done, which is 
announced.  

 

I had originally found this app through ViA, which was an accessible app guide 
app from the Braill Institute of Los Angeles which I used to have on my phone.  
I took ViA off my phone as it was taking up a small amount of space, I wasn’t 
really using it any more and I was unsure it it would survive transitioning to 
iOS 11.  So it seems to be a handy app to have around; I hope it survives the 
upgrade.  

 

Bill Outman 

 

 

 

From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 1:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: NOAA weather radio app

 

what if any experience have any of you had with this app from the VO 
accessibility perspective?
Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA

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Re: where am I

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

I am thinking, this might be a case for a Bluetooth beacon? They are more 
accurate than GPS.
Sandy

Sent from The dark side of the moon

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> Donald,
> Test Siri when you are outside in front of your house.
> GPS accuracy goes down as soon as you go into a building.
> But, remember, all GPS accuracy is dependent on a lot of factors and I would 
> not trust it for pinpoint locations, but it can be very good within 50 feet 
> or so if all is well.
> JMO,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
> 
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
>> Take a look at:
>> 
>> 
>> Ariadne GPS by Giovanni Ciaffoni 
>> https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/ariadne-gps/id441063072?mt=8
>> 
>> 
>> I have used this to monitor where I am and to track house numbers and 
>> streets when out.
>> 
>> You can have an alarm sound when you are approaching a designated 
>> favourite.Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 12 Apr 2018, at 17:59, Johnna Simmons  wrote:
>> 
>>> I did a search on the App Store for this app. I did not see a free version. 
>>> The one I saw past $.99. I don’t like to buy any apps unless I am 
>>> absolutely certain that they are voiceover accessible. Is this one 
>>> completely accessible?
>>> 
>>> Live the life you want. Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 12:45 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
 
 there is an app called "where the hell am I". It's free on the apple 
 appstore and it works nicely.
 
 Also, you can always ask the voice agent (Siri on the iPhone) your 
 location.
 
 -eric
 
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Donald Raikes wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This may be a "silly" question, but I figured I would ask it since
> others may not know as well.
> When I am out taking our grand dog for a walk, I would like my IPhone
> to help me determine when I am back home.  Our house is in the middle
> of the block, and when I am out with my cane I count the mail boxes to
> determine when I am at our house, but when walking the dog, she
> doesn't allow me to count the mailboxes she just guides me arround
> them (without any formal training).
> 
> Also if we go a different route, and approach from accross the street
> I woul d like to know when we are accross from the house.
> 
> Is there a simple way to have my phone tell me that we are at home?
> 
> Any tips would be appreciated.
> 
> Don
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Re: where am I

[Eric Oyen]

you should see what happens with my phone sometimes. I will have it sitting 
here on the desk and all of the sudden, it goes into do not disturb mode. 

So, I opened up one of the gPS apps I have (Navigon in this case) and left it 
run. when the Do Not Disturb popped up, I grabbed the phone and checked how far 
it allegedly moved. Here's the real kicker, for 2 minutes, it traveled 1000 
feet to the west at 672 mph, then proceeded 2000 feet to the east at 672 mph 
and went back and forth like that for 3 minutes. Yet, the phone physically 
didn't move.

The two things I noted about this:
1. the direction was always east and west
2. the speed of transit is always that of a jet aircraft at full cruise I think 
when it happens again, I am going to call up a friend of mine at sky harbor 
airport ops  and find out if there is any air traffic transiting the space 
above me at 30k feet going either east or west I have already checked with a 
ham radio sat tracker program I have here, so I know where the GPS sats are in 
near real time. If what I think is happening really is, then it would be 
possible to know when something is overflying my place. :)

-eric

On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:30 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

> GPS accuracy is going to be about 15 feet at best and sitting inside does not 
> give you good signal quality. The GPS signal is very weak, I read an article 
> once where they compared it with looking at a Christmas light that is up on a 
> satellite in space. Nowadays the receives are very good and sensitive, I 
> remember when I first had my retail store 18 years ago and sold Garmin GPS 
> units you often would not get a signal under heavy tree cover or if you were 
> in a narrow valley and even nowadays the accuracy can go way down the tube if 
> you are in a big city with lots of highrise building around you. GPS is 
> fantastic, but you have to be aware of its limitations and factor them in.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donald 
> Raikes
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:07 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: where am I
> 
> Sitting at my desk in my house, siri tells me I am next door so how reliable 
> is she ;-)
> 
> On 4/12/18, Eric Oyen  wrote:
>> there is an app called "where the hell am I". It's free on the apple 
>> appstore and it works nicely.
>> 
>> Also, you can always ask the voice agent (Siri on the iPhone) your 
>> location.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Donald Raikes wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> This may be a "silly" question, but I figured I would ask it since 
>>> others may not know as well.
>>> When I am out taking our grand dog for a walk, I would like my IPhone 
>>> to help me determine when I am back home.  Our house is in the middle 
>>> of the block, and when I am out with my cane I count the mail boxes 
>>> to determine when I am at our house, but when walking the dog, she 
>>> doesn't allow me to count the mailboxes she just guides me arround 
>>> them (without any formal training).
>>> 
>>> Also if we go a different route, and approach from accross the street 
>>> I woul d like to know when we are accross from the house.
>>> 
>>> Is there a simple way to have my phone tell me that we are at home?
>>> 
>>> Any tips would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Don
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RE: where am I

[Sieghard Weitzel]

GPS accuracy is going to be about 15 feet at best and sitting inside does not 
give you good signal quality. The GPS signal is very weak, I read an article 
once where they compared it with looking at a Christmas light that is up on a 
satellite in space. Nowadays the receives are very good and sensitive, I 
remember when I first had my retail store 18 years ago and sold Garmin GPS 
units you often would not get a signal under heavy tree cover or if you were in 
a narrow valley and even nowadays the accuracy can go way down the tube if you 
are in a big city with lots of highrise building around you. GPS is fantastic, 
but you have to be aware of its limitations and factor them in.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donald 
Raikes
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 10:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: where am I

Sitting at my desk in my house, siri tells me I am next door so how reliable is 
she ;-)

On 4/12/18, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> there is an app called "where the hell am I". It's free on the apple 
> appstore and it works nicely.
>
> Also, you can always ask the voice agent (Siri on the iPhone) your 
> location.
>
> -eric
>
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Donald Raikes wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This may be a "silly" question, but I figured I would ask it since 
>> others may not know as well.
>> When I am out taking our grand dog for a walk, I would like my IPhone 
>> to help me determine when I am back home.  Our house is in the middle 
>> of the block, and when I am out with my cane I count the mail boxes 
>> to determine when I am at our house, but when walking the dog, she 
>> doesn't allow me to count the mailboxes she just guides me arround 
>> them (without any formal training).
>>
>> Also if we go a different route, and approach from accross the street 
>> I woul d like to know when we are accross from the house.
>>
>> Is there a simple way to have my phone tell me that we are at home?
>>
>> Any tips would be appreciated.
>>
>> Don
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RE: The safeway app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Safeway as in Safeway grocery store


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Johnna 
Simmons
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 12:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The safeway app

What type of app is the Safeway app?
Live the life you want. Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 12, 2018, at 1:17 PM, Lelia 
> wrote:
Hi all, well, there was an update to the safeway app but once I get to the 
place order button I can’t place the order, its frustrating because I have no 
issues other than that, is any one else experiencing the same problem?

I have an iPhone 7 and the latest update.

Thanks

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Re: NOAA weather radio app

['Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone]

I’m surprised that does not appear to use location tracking.

From: Bill Outman 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 01:58
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: NOAA weather radio app

I am running this app with an iPhone 5S with iOS 10; that is all about to be 
upgraded at some point soon.  So I can’t speak to if it even works in version 
11.  

 

Most of the buttons and tabs seem to speak.  I usually use the radio tab and 
swipe over to the list of states and provinces, which will list the available 
stations.  I can enter a state, such as Florida, where I happen to live, and go 
through the list of stations and double tap the button for the staion I want, 
for example Daytona Beach, which is my local station.  It doesn’t have every 
station in the system, but it does  have quite a selection.  Sometimes you have 
to be aware of where the station might be located, for example, if you were 
looking for Cincinnati, you would not find it in Ohio since the station is over 
the river in Covington, Kentucky, so it is in that list.  I discovered that 
when I was chedcking weather for the Cubs vs. Reds baseball series last week.  

 

When you open a station it should automatically play, and then you can swipe 
right over to pause to stop the broadcast when you are done, which is 
announced.  

 

I had originally found this app through ViA, which was an accessible app guide 
app from the Braill Institute of Los Angeles which I used to have on my phone.  
I took ViA off my phone as it was taking up a small amount of space, I wasn’t 
really using it any more and I was unsure it it would survive transitioning to 
iOS 11.  So it seems to be a handy app to have around; I hope it survives the 
upgrade.  

 

Bill Outman 

 

 

 

From: 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 1:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: NOAA weather radio app

 

what if any experience have any of you had with this app from the VO 
accessibility perspective?
Ray T. Mahorney
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