RE: Mbraille question

[richardr_turner]

Are you using contracted braille?

 

I’d turn off speak characters.

 

I use away mode with contracted braille and only have words being echoed.

 

You also want to check the setting about how much of the display the app is 
using.

I don’t remember exactly what it says, but you may be getting slightly out of 
the ideal area for writing.

 

HTH,

 

 

 

Richard

“One can’t be angry when one looks at a penguin.” ~ John Ruskin

 

My web site; https://www.turner42.com/

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paula 
Jordan
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 2:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mbraille question

 

Hi Richard.  I’m using away mode with speak characters and speak words on. 
Hoping I can figure this out since I like it, but get tired of it jumping 
around.

God bless!

Paula and the pups

 

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Subject: RE: Mbraille question

 

What are your settings in MBraille?

IN particular, which mode are you using, piano, away, or or Smart?

 

Do you have it set to echo words, characters, or both?

 

 

 

 

Richard

“One can’t be angry when one looks at a penguin.” ~ John Ruskin

 

My web site; https://www.turner42.com/

 

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Paula Jordan
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 9:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Mbraille question

 

Hi all, I have used M-braille as a third party keyboard for several years. 
Lately I’ve noticed that as I type it will some times jump around, reading what 
I wrote rather than typing the letters I’m trying to type. Has anyone else 
noticed this. I’m using an Iphone 13 mini running IOS 13.2.1. I’m hoping the’s 
a solution to this. Thanks.

God bless!

Paula and the pups 

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RE: Mbraille question

[Paula Jordan]

Hi Richard.  I’m using away mode with speak characters and speak words on. 
Hoping I can figure this out since I like it, but get tired of it jumping 
around.

God bless!

Paula and the pups

 

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Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 12:19 PM
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Subject: RE: Mbraille question

 

What are your settings in MBraille?

IN particular, which mode are you using, piano, away, or or Smart?

 

Do you have it set to echo words, characters, or both?

 

 

 

 

Richard

“One can’t be angry when one looks at a penguin.” ~ John Ruskin

 

My web site; https://www.turner42.com/

 

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Subject: Mbraille question

 

Hi all, I have used M-braille as a third party keyboard for several years. 
Lately I’ve noticed that as I type it will some times jump around, reading what 
I wrote rather than typing the letters I’m trying to type. Has anyone else 
noticed this. I’m using an Iphone 13 mini running IOS 13.2.1. I’m hoping the’s 
a solution to this. Thanks.

God bless!

Paula and the pups 

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RE: Mbraille question

[richardr_turner]

What are your settings in MBraille?

IN particular, which mode are you using, piano, away, or or Smart?

 

Do you have it set to echo words, characters, or both?

 

 

 

 

Richard

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My web site; https://www.turner42.com/

 

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Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 9:11 AM
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Subject: Mbraille question

 

Hi all, I have used M-braille as a third party keyboard for several years. 
Lately I’ve noticed that as I type it will some times jump around, reading what 
I wrote rather than typing the letters I’m trying to type. Has anyone else 
noticed this. I’m using an Iphone 13 mini running IOS 13.2.1. I’m hoping the’s 
a solution to this. Thanks.

God bless!

Paula and the pups 

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Re: MBraille, was RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType

[Greg Wocher]

Hello all,
I really like BSI for input on my iPhone. I do also like the features that 
MBraille has but the $40 price for full access to the app is a bit pricy. 
Greg Wocher

> On Aug 24, 2021, at 12:33 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> Whether BSI, M-Braille or Flicktype, any of these require you to understand 
> how they work and after that constant practice and not just for half an hour, 
> but for hours and hours. It's just like correct touch typing on a full-size 
> keyboard, some people can do 30 or 40 words a minute and others can do 100 or 
> more or, according to Wikipedia, 216 words a minute back in 1946 on an  IBM 
> electric typewriter by Stella Pajunas-Garnand in Chicago.
> Here is an interesting blog article from the "Das Keyboard" website:
>  
> The Fastest Typist in the World Wins the Ultimate Typing Championship
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: August 24, 2021 2:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MBraille, was RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
>  
> Thanks a lot.  I will give it a try.  I really like the concept of BSI, I 
> just hope I will get the hang of this app.  When I was playing around with 
> BSI just trying out the alphabet in braille, one time I got it to work, and I 
> was surprised at how fast I could type some of the letters.
>  
> On 8/23/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> > there is not really callibration but you have a few layouts. It is
> > much like BSI but I find it a bit easier.
> > I think you can get the app for free and get used to it before having
> > to consider purchasing it.
> > There is a lot of settings to customize it.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Richard
> > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> > -- Jane Wagner
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > website:  www.turner42.com
> > 
> > 
> > On Aug 23, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> > 
> > That sounds very interesting.  I tried the BSI thing, but just
> > couldn't get the hang of it.  That sounds easier then flicktype.  I
> > tried that and it was confusing.  If I do get mbraille, I'll probably
> > have questions.  Having a braille keyboard come up when I need to send
> > a text message would be very neat if I can figure out how to use it.
> > Also, doing web searches would also be very nice.  Is there any
> > calibrating of fingers like in BSI?  Thanks.
> > 
> > On 8/23/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> > MBraille is an app for writing braille on the screen like the Apple
> > Braille Input, though it has far more features.  If you buy the full
> > version, it can be set as another keyboard; much like FlickType could
> > be an extra keyboard.
> > It has lots of what he calls "dot commands," so that by brailling the
> > braille period dots 2,5,6 followed by sms then a contact or a phone
> > number, you can send whatever you had written as a text message.
> > Or, dot mail  followed by a subject in quotes or just a contact or an
> > email address you can send a mail message, all from within the app.
> > Or of course, once the keyboard is up, you can switch to it and just
> > write in the body of a text or email.
> > Those are what I use the most, but you can also do web searches from
> > the app, add calendar events, and save notes to Dropbox and on, and on.
> > 
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.
> > apple.com%2Fus%2Fapp%2Fmbraille%2Fid639199558data=04%7C01%7C%7C26
> > bc78bd273a4834b61b08d966b8ab39%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%
> > 7C0%7C637653765605406064%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiL
> > CJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=7rGBjjD
> > 7WJ6Mk%2FS0OcNfpvjEY2%2BxrG1ZvJZP%2FnbPrOw%3Dreserved=0
> > 
> > I'll start a new thread if this continues to not be about flicktype.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Richard
> > Software means never having to say you're finished
> > 
> > Web site:
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
> > rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C26bc78bd273a4834b61b08d966b8ab39%7
> > C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653765605416019%7CUnkno
> > wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
> > CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=zFUuWxKTdNGPv1yNUvScwDnnUPwjE%2F6ovxeZ7
> > wPhizs%3Dreserved=0
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> > Joshua Hendrickson
> > Sent: Monday, Au

RE: MBraille, was RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Whether BSI, M-Braille or Flicktype, any of these require you to understand how 
they work and after that constant practice and not just for half an hour, but 
for hours and hours. It's just like correct touch typing on a full-size 
keyboard, some people can do 30 or 40 words a minute and others can do 100 or 
more or, according to Wikipedia, 216 words a minute back in 1946 on an  IBM 
electric typewriter by Stella Pajunas-Garnand in Chicago.

Here is an interesting blog article from the "Das Keyboard" website:



The Fastest Typist in the World Wins the Ultimate Typing 
Championship<https://www.daskeyboard.com/blog/the-fastest-typist-in-the-world-wins-the-ultimate-typing-championship/>



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: August 24, 2021 2:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: MBraille, was RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType



Thanks a lot.  I will give it a try.  I really like the concept of BSI, I just 
hope I will get the hang of this app.  When I was playing around with BSI just 
trying out the alphabet in braille, one time I got it to work, and I was 
surprised at how fast I could type some of the letters.



On 8/23/21, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

> there is not really callibration but you have a few layouts. It is

> much like BSI but I find it a bit easier.

> I think you can get the app for free and get used to it before having

> to consider purchasing it.

> There is a lot of settings to customize it.

>

>

>

> Richard

> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."

> -- Jane Wagner

>

>

>

>

>

> website:  www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>

>

>

> On Aug 23, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Joshua Hendrickson 
> mailto:louv...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>

> That sounds very interesting.  I tried the BSI thing, but just

> couldn't get the hang of it.  That sounds easier then flicktype.  I

> tried that and it was confusing.  If I do get mbraille, I'll probably

> have questions.  Having a braille keyboard come up when I need to send

> a text message would be very neat if I can figure out how to use it.

> Also, doing web searches would also be very nice.  Is there any

> calibrating of fingers like in BSI?  Thanks.

>

> On 8/23/21, Richard Turner 
> mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

> MBraille is an app for writing braille on the screen like the Apple

> Braille Input, though it has far more features.  If you buy the full

> version, it can be set as another keyboard; much like FlickType could

> be an extra keyboard.

> It has lots of what he calls "dot commands," so that by brailling the

> braille period dots 2,5,6 followed by sms then a contact or a phone

> number, you can send whatever you had written as a text message.

> Or, dot mail  followed by a subject in quotes or just a contact or an

> email address you can send a mail message, all from within the app.

> Or of course, once the keyboard is up, you can switch to it and just

> write in the body of a text or email.

> Those are what I use the most, but you can also do web searches from

> the app, add calendar events, and save notes to Dropbox and on, and on.

>

> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.

> apple.com%2Fus%2Fapp%2Fmbraille%2Fid639199558data=04%7C01%7C%7C26

> bc78bd273a4834b61b08d966b8ab39%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%

> 7C0%7C637653765605406064%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiL

> CJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=7rGBjjD

> 7WJ6Mk%2FS0OcNfpvjEY2%2BxrG1ZvJZP%2FnbPrOw%3Dreserved=0

>

> I'll start a new thread if this continues to not be about flicktype.

>

>

>

> Richard

> Software means never having to say you're finished

>

> Web site:

> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu

> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C26bc78bd273a4834b61b08d966b8ab39%7

> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653765605416019%7CUnkno

> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL

> CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=zFUuWxKTdNGPv1yNUvScwDnnUPwjE%2F6ovxeZ7

> wPhizs%3Dreserved=0

>

> -Original Message-

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of

> Joshua Hendrickson

> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 1:38 PM

> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

> Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType

>

> Richard, what is

Re: MBraille, was RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Thanks a lot.  I will give it a try.  I really like the concept of
BSI, I just hope I will get the hang of this app.  When I was playing
around with BSI just trying out the alphabet in braille, one time I
got it to work, and I was surprised at how fast I could type some of
the letters.

On 8/23/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> there is not really callibration but you have a few layouts. It is much like
> BSI but I find it a bit easier.
> I think you can get the app for free and get used to it before having to
> consider purchasing it.
> There is a lot of settings to customize it.
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- Jane Wagner
>
>
>
>
>
> website:  www.turner42.com
>
>
> On Aug 23, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>
> That sounds very interesting.  I tried the BSI thing, but just
> couldn't get the hang of it.  That sounds easier then flicktype.  I
> tried that and it was confusing.  If I do get mbraille, I'll probably
> have questions.  Having a braille keyboard come up when I need to send
> a text message would be very neat if I can figure out how to use it.
> Also, doing web searches would also be very nice.  Is there any
> calibrating of fingers like in BSI?  Thanks.
>
> On 8/23/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> MBraille is an app for writing braille on the screen like the Apple Braille
> Input, though it has far more features.  If you buy the full version, it
> can
> be set as another keyboard; much like FlickType could be an extra keyboard.
> It has lots of what he calls "dot commands," so that by brailling the
> braille period dots 2,5,6 followed by sms then a contact or a phone number,
> you can send whatever you had written as a text message.
> Or, dot mail  followed by a subject in quotes or just a contact or an email
> address you can send a mail message, all from within the app.
> Or of course, once the keyboard is up, you can switch to it and just write
> in the body of a text or email.
> Those are what I use the most, but you can also do web searches from the
> app, add calendar events, and save notes to Dropbox and on, and on.
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fus%2Fapp%2Fmbraille%2Fid639199558data=04%7C01%7C%7C26bc78bd273a4834b61b08d966b8ab39%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653765605406064%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=7rGBjjD7WJ6Mk%2FS0OcNfpvjEY2%2BxrG1ZvJZP%2FnbPrOw%3Dreserved=0
>
> I'll start a new thread if this continues to not be about flicktype.
>
>
>
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
> Web site:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C26bc78bd273a4834b61b08d966b8ab39%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653765605416019%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=zFUuWxKTdNGPv1yNUvScwDnnUPwjE%2F6ovxeZ7wPhizs%3Dreserved=0
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 1:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
>
> Richard, what is m-braille?
>
> On 8/23/21, Dennis Long  wrote:
> Richard I completely agree with you.  It took me years to see that.  I
> used Android for years.  Will Google ever catch up?  Doubtful.  Could
> they yes if Apple took  years off and Google actually did something.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 11:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
>
>
>
> Let us not lose sight of the fact they are actually putting more and
> more into accessibility.  It may not be your accessibility, but over
> all, they are way out in front in this area.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
>
>
> Web site:
>  urner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C49e4ac223b9e44c6480908d96675ea18%
> 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653478886334031%7CUnkn
> own%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwi
> LCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=N0WhyNPZXMBKCVeqvp9zAKrOl7MJOHVyCle6BL
> Nyqe8%3Dreserved=0>
> 

Re: MBraille, was RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType

[Richard Turner]

there is not really callibration but you have a few layouts. It is much like 
BSI but I find it a bit easier.
I think you can get the app for free and get used to it before having to 
consider purchasing it.
There is a lot of settings to customize it.



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner





website:  www.turner42.com


On Aug 23, 2021, at 9:36 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:

That sounds very interesting.  I tried the BSI thing, but just
couldn't get the hang of it.  That sounds easier then flicktype.  I
tried that and it was confusing.  If I do get mbraille, I'll probably
have questions.  Having a braille keyboard come up when I need to send
a text message would be very neat if I can figure out how to use it.
Also, doing web searches would also be very nice.  Is there any
calibrating of fingers like in BSI?  Thanks.

On 8/23/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
MBraille is an app for writing braille on the screen like the Apple Braille
Input, though it has far more features.  If you buy the full version, it can
be set as another keyboard; much like FlickType could be an extra keyboard.
It has lots of what he calls "dot commands," so that by brailling the
braille period dots 2,5,6 followed by sms then a contact or a phone number,
you can send whatever you had written as a text message.
Or, dot mail  followed by a subject in quotes or just a contact or an email
address you can send a mail message, all from within the app.
Or of course, once the keyboard is up, you can switch to it and just write
in the body of a text or email.
Those are what I use the most, but you can also do web searches from the
app, add calendar events, and save notes to Dropbox and on, and on.

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fus%2Fapp%2Fmbraille%2Fid639199558data=04%7C01%7C%7C26bc78bd273a4834b61b08d966b8ab39%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653765605406064%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=7rGBjjD7WJ6Mk%2FS0OcNfpvjEY2%2BxrG1ZvJZP%2FnbPrOw%3Dreserved=0

I'll start a new thread if this continues to not be about flicktype.



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 1:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType

Richard, what is m-braille?

On 8/23/21, Dennis Long  wrote:
Richard I completely agree with you.  It took me years to see that.  I
used Android for years.  Will Google ever catch up?  Doubtful.  Could
they yes if Apple took  years off and Google actually did something.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 11:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType



Let us not lose sight of the fact they are actually putting more and
more into accessibility.  It may not be your accessibility, but over
all, they are way out in front in this area.











Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished



Web site:

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On
Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: 

Re: MBraille, was RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType

[Joshua Hendrickson]

That sounds very interesting.  I tried the BSI thing, but just
couldn't get the hang of it.  That sounds easier then flicktype.  I
tried that and it was confusing.  If I do get mbraille, I'll probably
have questions.  Having a braille keyboard come up when I need to send
a text message would be very neat if I can figure out how to use it.
Also, doing web searches would also be very nice.  Is there any
calibrating of fingers like in BSI?  Thanks.

On 8/23/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> MBraille is an app for writing braille on the screen like the Apple Braille
> Input, though it has far more features.  If you buy the full version, it can
> be set as another keyboard; much like FlickType could be an extra keyboard.
> It has lots of what he calls "dot commands," so that by brailling the
> braille period dots 2,5,6 followed by sms then a contact or a phone number,
> you can send whatever you had written as a text message.
> Or, dot mail  followed by a subject in quotes or just a contact or an email
> address you can send a mail message, all from within the app.
> Or of course, once the keyboard is up, you can switch to it and just write
> in the body of a text or email.
> Those are what I use the most, but you can also do web searches from the
> app, add calendar events, and save notes to Dropbox and on, and on.
>
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mbraille/id639199558
>
> I'll start a new thread if this continues to not be about flicktype.
>
>
>
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
> Web site: www.turner42.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 1:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
>
> Richard, what is m-braille?
>
> On 8/23/21, Dennis Long  wrote:
>> Richard I completely agree with you.  It took me years to see that.  I
>> used Android for years.  Will Google ever catch up?  Doubtful.  Could
>> they yes if Apple took  years off and Google actually did something.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 11:26 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
>>
>>
>>
>> Let us not lose sight of the fact they are actually putting more and
>> more into accessibility.  It may not be your accessibility, but over
>> all, they are way out in front in this area.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> Software means never having to say you're finished
>>
>>
>>
>> Web site:
>> > urner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C49e4ac223b9e44c6480908d96675ea18%
>> 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653478886334031%7CUnkn
>> own%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwi
>> LCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=N0WhyNPZXMBKCVeqvp9zAKrOl7MJOHVyCle6BL
>> Nyqe8%3Dreserved=0>
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
>> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C49e4ac223b9e44c6480908d96675ea18%7
>> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653478886334031%7CUnkno
>> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
>> CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=N0WhyNPZXMBKCVeqvp9zAKrOl7MJOHVyCle6BLN
>> yqe8%3Dreserved=0
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On
>> Behalf Of Devin Prater
>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 8:19 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Lobbying Apple about FlickType
>>
>>
>>
>> It's definitely not the end of the world, but I hope we won't continue
>> having this type of problem, but something tells me we will as Apple's
>> success grows and their App Store team has more and more they have to
>> do and look out for.
>>
>>
>> Devin Prater
>>
>> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com 
>>
>> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 10:06 AM Richard Turner
>> mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> I  Very much doubt the millions of customers it would take to switch
>> to the "somewhat dark side, grin" will do so, which is what it would
>> take to impact Apple's wallet.  A few people switching to Android
>> certainly won't.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also doubt Flicktype will see the light of day again, which is too
>> bad, but not the end of the world.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> Software means never having to say you're finished
>>
>>
>>
>> Web site:
>> > urner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C49e4ac223b9e44c6480908d96675ea18%
>> 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637653478886334031%7CUnkn
>> own%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwi
>> LCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=N0WhyNPZXMBKCVeqvp9zAKrOl7MJOHVyCle6BL
>> Nyqe8%3Dreserved=0>
>> 

RE: MBraille

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

I use MBraille when I want to write a quick note or a quick text.  I use my 
focus when I’m writing longer emails or something that’s more involved than a 
quick message.

Both have their place.  Sometimes I just don’t want to get the Focus out.

Hope that helps.

God bless!

Paula and Garçon

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
kheve...@earthlink.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 12:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: MBraille

 

Paula, do us use the focus with this ap, or do you type and edit from your 
iphone?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul and Paula Jordan
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 8:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: MBraille

 

The thing I like most about MBraille is that you can edit your work when you 
use it as a third party keyboard.  You can move by word, sentence or paragraph 
forward or back and correct as needed.Youcan insert text to if needed.  I very 
much like that feature.  I use the app several times each day. 

God bless!

Paula and Garçon

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 11:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MBraille

 

Hi Joe, 

It is a one time fee. If you want all of its features, I think it is around 
$39.00 which includes the third party keyboard capability.

I have not used the braille screen input enough to be able to detail the 
differences in gestures since I was using MBraille before Apple improved the 
braille screen input.

But, here is the link to the help file where you can read through all of 
MBraille's features.

I really like the "dot commands" which are commands you can do in the stand 
alone app to then initiate an action in another app, like perfecting a note, 
then writing in braille on the last line, the period followed by sms and the 
person's name or phone number, and it launches the messages app with your text 
ready to just hit the send button.

Anyway, here is the link:

https://mpaja.com/mbraille/en.lproj/help.htm 
<https://mpaja.com/mbraille/en.lproj/help.htm>  

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

 

 

On Dec 1, 2019, at 7:23 PM, Joe Orozco  wrote:

That makes sense. But can you get into a little more detail? Are the
gestures different? Is the recognition smoother? Faster? Also, was
this the app that charges a subscription fee? I’d rather pay a lump
sum than a recurring charge, but if there is something about it that
warrants the cost, I’m open to being convinced. Thank you in advance
for indulging my curiosity.

Joe


On 12/1/19, Richard Turner  wrote:

I am replying with MBraille as a third party keyboard.

It has had that capacity for a long time.

I like it better than the built-in braille screen input partly because you

select it when you need it and you don't have to deal with the rotor.

His approach has been the best braille app I've used.

He keeps it updated and you can elect to use UEB or not.

HTH,

 

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with

it."

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane

Wagner

 

 

On Dec 1, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Joe Orozco  wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I saw mention of MBraille in the AppleVis newsletter. I had no idea

this was now accessible as a third party keyboard. Can someone tell me

the difference between this Mbraille app and the Braille input already

supplied with iOS? I don’t mind financially supporting third party

developers, especially those expanding Braille literacy, but I want to

know exactly what I’m getting into.

 

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Re: MBraille

[Richard Turner]

The MBraille app is used just on the phone screen, no external device needed.
If you have your braille display handy, stick with it, as you can do everything 
from writing text to controlling your device.
The app provides an alternative onscreen keyboard for braille input.




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Dec 2, 2019, at 9:43 PM, "kheve...@earthlink.net"  
wrote:


Paula, do us use the focus with this ap, or do you type and edit from your 
iphone?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul and Paula Jordan
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 8:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: MBraille

The thing I like most about MBraille is that you can edit your work when you 
use it as a third party keyboard.  You can move by word, sentence or paragraph 
forward or back and correct as needed.Youcan insert text to if needed.  I very 
much like that feature.  I use the app several times each day.
God bless!
Paula and Garçon

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 11:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: MBraille

Hi Joe,
It is a one time fee. If you want all of its features, I think it is around 
$39.00 which includes the third party keyboard capability.
I have not used the braille screen input enough to be able to detail the 
differences in gestures since I was using MBraille before Apple improved the 
braille screen input.
But, here is the link to the help file where you can read through all of 
MBraille's features.
I really like the "dot commands" which are commands you can do in the stand 
alone app to then initiate an action in another app, like perfecting a note, 
then writing in braille on the last line, the period followed by sms and the 
person's name or phone number, and it launches the messages app with your text 
ready to just hit the send button.
Anyway, here is the link:
https://mpaja.com/mbraille/en.lproj/help.htm<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmpaja.com%2Fmbraille%2Fen.lproj%2Fhelp.htm=02%7C01%7C%7Cabcf3e41d9b74f72f67408d777b3c66b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637109486317960127=ZyYspDkuMqMTsUKvwd%2FqGiwBYnRv%2BHHhwk5UBqHj4OQ%3D=0>



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner


On Dec 1, 2019, at 7:23 PM, Joe Orozco 
mailto:jsoro...@gmail.com>> wrote:
That makes sense. But can you get into a little more detail? Are the
gestures different? Is the recognition smoother? Faster? Also, was
this the app that charges a subscription fee? I’d rather pay a lump
sum than a recurring charge, but if there is something about it that
warrants the cost, I’m open to being convinced. Thank you in advance
for indulging my curiosity.

Joe


On 12/1/19, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
I am replying with MBraille as a third party keyboard.
It has had that capacity for a long time.
I like it better than the built-in braille screen input partly because you
select it when you need it and you don't have to deal with the rotor.
His approach has been the best braille app I've used.
He keeps it updated and you can elect to use UEB or not.
HTH,




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
it."
-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane
Wagner


On Dec 1, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Joe Orozco 
mailto:jsoro...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,

I saw mention of MBraille in the AppleVis newsletter. I had no idea
this was now accessible as a third party keyboard. Can someone tell me
the difference between this Mbraille app and the Braille input already
supplied with iOS? I don’t mind financially supporting third party
developers, especially those expanding Braille literacy, but I want to
know exactly what I’m getting into.

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RE: MBraille

[khevener]

Paula, do us use the focus with this ap, or do you type and edit from your 
iphone?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul and Paula Jordan
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 8:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: MBraille

 

The thing I like most about MBraille is that you can edit your work when you 
use it as a third party keyboard.  You can move by word, sentence or paragraph 
forward or back and correct as needed.Youcan insert text to if needed.  I very 
much like that feature.  I use the app several times each day. 

God bless!

Paula and Garçon

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
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Subject: Re: MBraille

 

Hi Joe, 

It is a one time fee. If you want all of its features, I think it is around 
$39.00 which includes the third party keyboard capability.

I have not used the braille screen input enough to be able to detail the 
differences in gestures since I was using MBraille before Apple improved the 
braille screen input.

But, here is the link to the help file where you can read through all of 
MBraille's features.

I really like the "dot commands" which are commands you can do in the stand 
alone app to then initiate an action in another app, like perfecting a note, 
then writing in braille on the last line, the period followed by sms and the 
person's name or phone number, and it launches the messages app with your text 
ready to just hit the send button.

Anyway, here is the link:

https://mpaja.com/mbraille/en.lproj/help.htm 
<https://mpaja.com/mbraille/en.lproj/help.htm>  

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

 

 

On Dec 1, 2019, at 7:23 PM, Joe Orozco mailto:jsoro...@gmail.com> > wrote:

That makes sense. But can you get into a little more detail? Are the
gestures different? Is the recognition smoother? Faster? Also, was
this the app that charges a subscription fee? I’d rather pay a lump
sum than a recurring charge, but if there is something about it that
warrants the cost, I’m open to being convinced. Thank you in advance
for indulging my curiosity.

Joe


On 12/1/19, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

I am replying with MBraille as a third party keyboard.

It has had that capacity for a long time.

I like it better than the built-in braille screen input partly because you

select it when you need it and you don't have to deal with the rotor.

His approach has been the best braille app I've used.

He keeps it updated and you can elect to use UEB or not.

HTH,

 

 

 

 

Richard

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it."

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Wagner

 

 

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Hi,

 

I saw mention of MBraille in the AppleVis newsletter. I had no idea

this was now accessible as a third party keyboard. Can someone tell me

the difference between this Mbraille app and the Braille input already

supplied with iOS? I don’t mind financially supporting third party

developers, especially those expanding Braille literacy, but I want to

know exactly what I’m getting into.

 

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RE: MBraille

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

The thing I like most about MBraille is that you can edit your work when you 
use it as a third party keyboard.  You can move by word, sentence or paragraph 
forward or back and correct as needed.Youcan insert text to if needed.  I very 
much like that feature.  I use the app several times each day. 

God bless!

Paula and Garçon

 

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Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 11:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MBraille

 

Hi Joe, 

It is a one time fee. If you want all of its features, I think it is around 
$39.00 which includes the third party keyboard capability.

I have not used the braille screen input enough to be able to detail the 
differences in gestures since I was using MBraille before Apple improved the 
braille screen input.

But, here is the link to the help file where you can read through all of 
MBraille's features.

I really like the "dot commands" which are commands you can do in the stand 
alone app to then initiate an action in another app, like perfecting a note, 
then writing in braille on the last line, the period followed by sms and the 
person's name or phone number, and it launches the messages app with your text 
ready to just hit the send button.

Anyway, here is the link:

https://mpaja.com/mbraille/en.lproj/help.htm 
<https://mpaja.com/mbraille/en.lproj/help.htm>  

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane Wagner

 





On Dec 1, 2019, at 7:23 PM, Joe Orozco  wrote:

That makes sense. But can you get into a little more detail? Are the
gestures different? Is the recognition smoother? Faster? Also, was
this the app that charges a subscription fee? I’d rather pay a lump
sum than a recurring charge, but if there is something about it that
warrants the cost, I’m open to being convinced. Thank you in advance
for indulging my curiosity.

Joe


On 12/1/19, Richard Turner  wrote:



I am replying with MBraille as a third party keyboard.

It has had that capacity for a long time.

I like it better than the built-in braille screen input partly because you

select it when you need it and you don't have to deal with the rotor.

His approach has been the best braille app I've used.

He keeps it updated and you can elect to use UEB or not.

HTH,

 

 

 

 

Richard

"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with

it."

-- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane

Wagner

 

 

On Dec 1, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Joe Orozco  wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I saw mention of MBraille in the AppleVis newsletter. I had no idea

this was now accessible as a third party keyboard. Can someone tell me

the difference between this Mbraille app and the Braille input already

supplied with iOS? I don’t mind financially supporting third party

developers, especially those expanding Braille literacy, but I want to

know exactly what I’m getting into.

 

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re: MBraille

['jan howells' via VIPhone]

You put your apple device in landscape mode to use the mbraille 
app.  That way you can use an imaginary braille keyboard by 
touch.


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Hi Joe,
It is a one time fee. If you want all of its features, I think it is around 
$39.00 which includes the third party keyboard capability.
I have not used the braille screen input enough to be able to detail the 
differences in gestures since I was using MBraille before Apple improved the 
braille screen input.
But, here is the link to the help file where you can read through all of 
MBraille's features.
I really like the "dot commands" which are commands you can do in the stand 
alone app to then initiate an action in another app, like perfecting a note, 
then writing in braille on the last line, the period followed by sms and the 
person's name or phone number, and it launches the messages app with your text 
ready to just hit the send button.
Anyway, here is the link:
https://mpaja.com/mbraille/en.lproj/help.htm




Richard
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On Dec 1, 2019, at 7:23 PM, Joe Orozco  wrote:

That makes sense. But can you get into a little more detail? Are the
gestures different? Is the recognition smoother? Faster? Also, was
this the app that charges a subscription fee? I’d rather pay a lump
sum than a recurring charge, but if there is something about it that
warrants the cost, I’m open to being convinced. Thank you in advance
for indulging my curiosity.

Joe


On 12/1/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
I am replying with MBraille as a third party keyboard.
It has had that capacity for a long time.
I like it better than the built-in braille screen input partly because you
select it when you need it and you don't have to deal with the rotor.
His approach has been the best braille app I've used.
He keeps it updated and you can elect to use UEB or not.
HTH,




Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
it."
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Wagner


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I saw mention of MBraille in the AppleVis newsletter. I had no idea
this was now accessible as a third party keyboard. Can someone tell me
the difference between this Mbraille app and the Braille input already
supplied with iOS? I don’t mind financially supporting third party
developers, especially those expanding Braille literacy, but I want to
know exactly what I’m getting into.

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Re: MBraille

[Joe Orozco]

That makes sense. But can you get into a little more detail? Are the
gestures different? Is the recognition smoother? Faster? Also, was
this the app that charges a subscription fee? I’d rather pay a lump
sum than a recurring charge, but if there is something about it that
warrants the cost, I’m open to being convinced. Thank you in advance
for indulging my curiosity.

Joe


On 12/1/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
> I am replying with MBraille as a third party keyboard.
> It has had that capacity for a long time.
> I like it better than the built-in braille screen input partly because you
> select it when you need it and you don't have to deal with the rotor.
> His approach has been the best braille app I've used.
> He keeps it updated and you can elect to use UEB or not.
> HTH,
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
> it."
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane
> Wagner
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Joe Orozco  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I saw mention of MBraille in the AppleVis newsletter. I had no idea
> this was now accessible as a third party keyboard. Can someone tell me
> the difference between this Mbraille app and the Braille input already
> supplied with iOS? I don’t mind financially supporting third party
> developers, especially those expanding Braille literacy, but I want to
> know exactly what I’m getting into.
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Re: MBraille

[Richard Turner]

I am replying with MBraille as a third party keyboard.
It has had that capacity for a long time.
I like it better than the built-in braille screen input partly because you 
select it when you need it and you don't have to deal with the rotor.
His approach has been the best braille app I've used.
He keeps it updated and you can elect to use UEB or not.
HTH,




Richard
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On Dec 1, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Joe Orozco  wrote:

Hi,

I saw mention of MBraille in the AppleVis newsletter. I had no idea
this was now accessible as a third party keyboard. Can someone tell me
the difference between this Mbraille app and the Braille input already
supplied with iOS? I don’t mind financially supporting third party
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Re: mbraille with IOS 13.1.3

[Richard Turner]

It is not working as a third party keyboard. But, in the beta for 13.2 it is 
working again.
So, hang tight for the release of 13.2.




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On Oct 17, 2019, at 9:58 AM, Paul and Paula Jordan  
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Hi.  Has anyone used MBraille with IOS 13.1.3 and does it work correctly?  It’s 
an app I use a lot so would like to know how it works. Thanks.
God bless!
Paula and Garçon

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Re: MBraille and Focus 14 with IOS 13.1

[Richard Turner]

Hi,
The external braille display is working well with 13.1.
But, MBraille is not speaking if you are using it as a third party keyboard.
It works fine as a stand-alone app.
So, if you use MBraille as a third party keyboard, the developer even 
recommends waiting to update.
HTH,


Richard

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On Sep 24, 2019, at 10:42 AM, Paul and Paula Jordan  
wrote:


Hi all.  I use both MBraille and a Focus 14 keyboard with my IPhone 7.  I’ve 
not updated to 13 since I’ve heard there are some problems with both. Does 
anyone know if those are resolved in 13.1?
Thanks in advance.
God bless!
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RE: MBraille keyboard disappeared

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

That seems to have done the trick.  Even though I have the focus, I still like 
to use the MBraille keyboard.  Thanks.

God bless!

Paula and Garçon

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2019 12:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: MBraille keyboard disappeared

 

Only if the Focus is connected so your phone thinks that is the main keyboard.

Otherwise, you may want to go into keyboard settings and toggle MBraille off 
and then on again to see if that helps.

 

 

 

Richard

 

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Subject: MBraille keyboard disappeared

 

Hi all.  It seems that my MBraille keyboard has disappeared.  I’m running IOS 
12.4.1.  I’ve also sometimes been using my focus 14 to write texts.  Is there 
any correlation?  I’ve shut my phone down using just the screen lock button.  
That doesn’t seem to have fixed the problem   Any thoughts?

God bless!

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RE: MBraille keyboard disappeared

[Richard Turner]

Only if the Focus is connected so your phone thinks that is the main keyboard.
Otherwise, you may want to go into keyboard settings and toggle MBraille off 
and then on again to see if that helps.



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Paula Jordan
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Subject: MBraille keyboard disappeared

Hi all.  It seems that my MBraille keyboard has disappeared.  I’m running IOS 
12.4.1.  I’ve also sometimes been using my focus 14 to write texts.  Is there 
any correlation?  I’ve shut my phone down using just the screen lock button.  
That doesn’t seem to have fixed the problem   Any thoughts?
God bless!
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Re: MBraille - how to dismiss keyboard?

[Richard Turner]

It is harder. It needs to be a very short, quick, swipe.
Keep at it.

Richard

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On Aug 19, 2019, at 9:20 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
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Thanks, Richard. I’ve now got the gesture to work a couple of times, perhaps 
once every ten tries! It seems harder to master than any three finger swipe 
I’ve ever come across before. I’ll carry on practising!
Harry

On 19 Aug 2019, at 12:59, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I use away mode, and the dismiss keyboard gesture is to do a short, three 
finger swipe toward the charging port which is facing my right hand.
I'm not sure what it is if you are using piano/table top mode.


Richard

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On Aug 19, 2019, at 1:23 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Can anyone tell me how to dismiss the MBraille keyboard when using it as a 
third party keyboard either in the Notes or Mail app? I’m using it on iPhone XS 
iOS 12.4 using the Full Version. When I’m in those apps, I type and voiceover 
reads out what I am typing, but if I then change back to uk keyboard, no text 
has been entered. I have given MBraille full access, so I am puzzled. Does me 
changing keyboard delete what I’ve typed? Or is there a gesture I should know 
to dismiss the keyboard and force MBraille to enter what I’ve typed?
Thanks
Harry
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Re: MBraille - how to dismiss keyboard?

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

Thanks, Richard. I’ve now got the gesture to work a couple of times, perhaps 
once every ten tries! It seems harder to master than any three finger swipe 
I’ve ever come across before. I’ll carry on practising!
Harry

> On 19 Aug 2019, at 12:59, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> I use away mode, and the dismiss keyboard gesture is to do a short, three 
> finger swipe toward the charging port which is facing my right hand.
> I'm not sure what it is if you are using piano/table top mode.
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Always look out for #1, and be careful not to step in #2. 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 19, 2019, at 1:23 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
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>> Can anyone tell me how to dismiss the MBraille keyboard when using it as a 
>> third party keyboard either in the Notes or Mail app? I’m using it on iPhone 
>> XS iOS 12.4 using the Full Version. When I’m in those apps, I type and 
>> voiceover reads out what I am typing, but if I then change back to uk 
>> keyboard, no text has been entered. I have given MBraille full access, so I 
>> am puzzled. Does me changing keyboard delete what I’ve typed? Or is there a 
>> gesture I should know to dismiss the keyboard and force MBraille to enter 
>> what I’ve typed?
>> Thanks
>> Harry
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Re: MBraille - how to dismiss keyboard?

[Richard Turner]

I use away mode, and the dismiss keyboard gesture is to do a short, three 
finger swipe toward the charging port which is facing my right hand.
I'm not sure what it is if you are using piano/table top mode.


Richard

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On Aug 19, 2019, at 1:23 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
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Can anyone tell me how to dismiss the MBraille keyboard when using it as a 
third party keyboard either in the Notes or Mail app? I’m using it on iPhone XS 
iOS 12.4 using the Full Version. When I’m in those apps, I type and voiceover 
reads out what I am typing, but if I then change back to uk keyboard, no text 
has been entered. I have given MBraille full access, so I am puzzled. Does me 
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to dismiss the keyboard and force MBraille to enter what I’ve typed?
Thanks
Harry
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RE: MBraille setup?

[Richard Turner]

Yes it does.
Here is the developers Email address:
His name is Harri, spelled with an I rather than a y at the end.
ha...@mpaja.com

Richard

-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 1:02 AM
To: Abridged Recipients 
Subject: MBraille setup?

Does MBraille app work any more in iOS 12.1.4? I can start initialising the 
keyboard on iPhone or iPad but there seems no way to finish initialising nor 
any way to get any step by step tutorial about setting it up, as this is not 
covered in the Help section. In App Store, the App Support button merely leads 
to an advert for another product rather than a way to contact developer. Help, 
anyone?
Thanks
Harry

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Re: MBraille

[Liel Ben Simon‫ליאל בן סימון‬‎]

Yes. It's happands to me wen hints is active.

Sent from  my iphone

‫ב-31 במאי 2017, בשעה 20:52, ‏‏ruby alphonse ‏ כתב/ה:‬

> Hello all, This is Ruby from Bangalore India, I checked archive mails
> of buying full version of MBraille I couldn't find, I have downloaded
> free version of MBraille, I quite like it, so I need to buy full
> version. I entered where in the option on the left most says Shop and
> when I entered on full version is RS 3100 I have full details of my
> Master debit card everything I did correctly, but every time it says,
> payment is declined, please press on continue and update your payment
> method, I don't know what to do, I am disappointed, I can buy so well
> other apps on my iPhone so well, only why I am not able to buy
> MBraille I am upset. please can anyone help? I would be much obliged.
> Thanks in advance, Ruby
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RE: MBraille Not Working Well in IOS 10

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

I am using MBraille for all text and email messages on an IPhone 6 running 
10.02 and having no difficulty.

God bless!

Paula and Boston

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 10:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MBraille Not Working Well in IOS 10

 

I had tried re-installing it before sending my message, I just did the reset, 
and it crashed 3 or 4 times before I could get this  reply written. I am using 
the Apple braille input to  write this message. I don't know, I am going to 
wait until the next MBraille update to see if it fixes it. I am glad it seems 
to be more an individual phone issue. 

 

Arnold Schmidt

 



Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone


On Oct 2, 2016, at 9:12 AM, Chris Chaffin <chaffin102...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

I do not use the third party keyboard, but use the app on a daily basis.

MBraille has not crashed at all since I have upgraded to iOS 10.

 

Have you tried the common things like resetting your phone by holding down the 
power and home buttons for 10 seconds, or deleting the app, then reinstalling 
it?

Note, if using an iPhone 7 series, to reset your phone, you have to hold down 
the power and volume down buttons since the changes to the home button.

 

Chris

 


On Oct 2, 2016, at 12:16 AM, Arnold Schmidt <als5...@gmail.com> wrote:

I hope I am the only one having the problem, but MBraille is not working very 
well in IOS 10. It will crash for no reason, sometimes after only a few 
letters, and I have to start over. It seems especially bad when I am using it 
as a third-party keyboard. Until it can be straightened out, I guess I will 
have to learn  to use Apple's braille screen input. I miss MBraille! I hope I 
am the only one having problems with it.Arnold Schmidt  

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

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Re: MBraille Not Working Well in IOS 10

[Arnold Schmidt]

I had tried re-installing it before sending my message, I just did the reset, 
and it crashed 3 or 4 times before I could get this  reply written. I am using 
the Apple braille input to  write this message. I don't know, I am going to 
wait until the next MBraille update to see if it fixes it. I am glad it seems 
to be more an individual phone issue. 

Arnold Schmidt



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On Oct 2, 2016, at 9:12 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:


I do not use the third party keyboard, but use the app on a daily basis.
MBraille has not crashed at all since I have upgraded to iOS 10.

Have you tried the common things like resetting your phone by holding down the 
power and home buttons for 10 seconds, or deleting the app, then reinstalling 
it?
Note, if using an iPhone 7 series, to reset your phone, you have to hold down 
the power and volume down buttons since the changes to the home button.

Chris


> On Oct 2, 2016, at 12:16 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I hope I am the only one having the problem, but MBraille is not working very 
> well in IOS 10. It will crash for no reason, sometimes after only a few 
> letters, and I have to start over. It seems especially bad when I am using it 
> as a third-party keyboard. Until it can be straightened out, I guess I will 
> have to learn  to use Apple's braille screen input. I miss MBraille! I hope I 
> am the only one having problems with it.Arnold Schmidt  
> 
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Re: MBraille Not Working Well in IOS 10

[Robert Hill]

Hi Chris, 

Yep, I have removed mBraille, reinstalled it, reenabled settings. 
My next thing might be to restore the phone, start from scratch, but I haven't 
decided about that yet. 

Thanks.  

Bob Hill 

ent from Bob's iPhone 6

> On Oct 2, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
> 
> 
> I am not seeing that problem.  I just tested saving a file to Dropbox, and it 
> saved just fine.  I even went further and open a file, added more text to it, 
> then resaved it to Dropbox, and it saved the changes like it should.
> Have you tried to turn off the Dropbox setting, exit out of MBraille and take 
> it out of the app switcher.  Then start MBraille from scratch and then turn 
> the Dropbox setting back on?
> You might have to delete the app, restart your phone, reinstall MBraille, 
> then restore your purchases.  Maybe something that tells MBraille that you 
> have purchased that feature has gotten corrupted.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 4:37 AM, Robert Hill  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am finding that I can’t save files to DropBox.
>> I have m
>> braille settings set to use DropBox, but when I save a file, my mBraille 
>> folder is empty.
>> 
>> Bob Hill
>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 4:16 AM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Arnold!
>>> 
>>> I dont have crashing issues with MBraille. I have some other issues while 
>>> typing, seems like iOS 10 and Plus display won't cooperate as they used to 
>>> and I'm making tones of mistakes if I don't put my fingers precisely right. 
>>> It doesn't happen with the native Braille input. And, I forgot.. I don't 
>>> use MBraille as 3rd party keyboard, I only use it as the standalone app.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> S poštovanjem
>>> Gordan Radić
>>> 
>>>  
>>>
>>> 2.10.2016. u 6:16, Arnold Schmidt je napisao/la:
 I hope I am the only one having the problem, but MBraille is not working 
 very well in IOS 10. It will crash for no reason, sometimes after only a 
 few letters, and I have to start over. It seems especially bad when I am 
 using it as a third-party keyboard. Until it can be straightened out, I 
 guess I will have to learn  to use Apple's braille screen input. I miss 
 MBraille! I hope I am the only one having problems with it.Arnold Schmidt  
 
 Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
 
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Re: MBraille Not Working Well in IOS 10

[Chris Chaffin]

I am not seeing that problem.  I just tested saving a file to Dropbox, and it 
saved just fine.  I even went further and open a file, added more text to it, 
then resaved it to Dropbox, and it saved the changes like it should.
Have you tried to turn off the Dropbox setting, exit out of MBraille and take 
it out of the app switcher.  Then start MBraille from scratch and then turn the 
Dropbox setting back on?
You might have to delete the app, restart your phone, reinstall MBraille, then 
restore your purchases.  Maybe something that tells MBraille that you have 
purchased that feature has gotten corrupted.

Chris


> On Oct 2, 2016, at 4:37 AM, Robert Hill  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am finding that I can’t save files to DropBox.
> I have m
> braille settings set to use DropBox, but when I save a file, my mBraille 
> folder is empty.
> 
> Bob Hill
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 4:16 AM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Arnold!
>> 
>> I dont have crashing issues with MBraille. I have some other issues while 
>> typing, seems like iOS 10 and Plus display won't cooperate as they used to 
>> and I'm making tones of mistakes if I don't put my fingers precisely right. 
>> It doesn't happen with the native Braille input. And, I forgot.. I don't use 
>> MBraille as 3rd party keyboard, I only use it as the standalone app.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> S poštovanjem
>> Gordan Radić
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 2.10.2016. u 6:16, Arnold Schmidt je napisao/la:
>>> I hope I am the only one having the problem, but MBraille is not working 
>>> very well in IOS 10. It will crash for no reason, sometimes after only a 
>>> few letters, and I have to start over. It seems especially bad when I am 
>>> using it as a third-party keyboard. Until it can be straightened out, I 
>>> guess I will have to learn  to use Apple's braille screen input. I miss 
>>> MBraille! I hope I am the only one having problems with it.Arnold Schmidt  
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: MBraille Not Working Well in IOS 10

[Chris Chaffin]

I do not use the third party keyboard, but use the app on a daily basis.
MBraille has not crashed at all since I have upgraded to iOS 10.

Have you tried the common things like resetting your phone by holding down the 
power and home buttons for 10 seconds, or deleting the app, then reinstalling 
it?
Note, if using an iPhone 7 series, to reset your phone, you have to hold down 
the power and volume down buttons since the changes to the home button.

Chris


> On Oct 2, 2016, at 12:16 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I hope I am the only one having the problem, but MBraille is not working very 
> well in IOS 10. It will crash for no reason, sometimes after only a few 
> letters, and I have to start over. It seems especially bad when I am using it 
> as a third-party keyboard. Until it can be straightened out, I guess I will 
> have to learn  to use Apple's braille screen input. I miss MBraille! I hope I 
> am the only one having problems with it.Arnold Schmidt  
> 
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Re: MBraille Not Working Well in IOS 10

[Robert Hill]

Hi,

I am finding that I can’t save files to DropBox.
I have m
braille settings set to use DropBox, but when I save a file, my mBraille folder 
is empty.

Bob Hill

> On Oct 2, 2016, at 4:16 AM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Arnold!
> 
> I dont have crashing issues with MBraille. I have some other issues while 
> typing, seems like iOS 10 and Plus display won't cooperate as they used to 
> and I'm making tones of mistakes if I don't put my fingers precisely right. 
> It doesn't happen with the native Braille input. And, I forgot.. I don't use 
> MBraille as 3rd party keyboard, I only use it as the standalone app.
> 
> 
> 
> S poštovanjem
> Gordan Radić 
>   
>  
>  
>  
> 2.10.2016. u 6:16, Arnold Schmidt je napisao/la:
>> I hope I am the only one having the problem, but MBraille is not working 
>> very well in IOS 10. It will crash for no reason, sometimes after only a few 
>> letters, and I have to start over. It seems especially bad when I am using 
>> it as a third-party keyboard. Until it can be straightened out, I guess I 
>> will have to learn  to use Apple's braille screen input. I miss MBraille! I 
>> hope I am the only one having problems with it.Arnold Schmidt  
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
>> 
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Re: MBraille Not Working Well in IOS 10

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Hi, Arnold!
I dont have crashing issues with MBraille. I have some other
  issues while typing, seems like iOS 10 and Plus display won't
  cooperate as they used to and I'm making tones of mistakes if I
  don't put my fingers precisely right. It doesn't happen with the
  native Braille input. And, I forgot.. I don't use MBraille as 3rd
  party keyboard, I only use it as the standalone app.





  S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
  

  

  

  

  
  

  
  

  

  


  


  

  

  

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  napisao/la:


  I hope I am the only one having the problem, but MBraille is not working very well in IOS 10. It will crash for no reason, sometimes after only a few letters, and I have to start over. It seems especially bad when I am using it as a third-party keyboard. Until it can be straightened out, I guess I will have to learn  to use Apple's braille screen input. I miss MBraille! I hope I am the only one having problems with it.Arnold Schmidt  

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone




  




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Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

[SoonerAnnie]

 a few things 
>>>>>> to consider.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hope it might help a little.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> BTW: if you still haven't had any responses from the list itself, it may 
>>>>>> be that your message didn't get there, or Harri hasn't seen it. If he 
>>>>>> had, he'd almost certainly respond, but he doesn't always have time to 
>>>>>> see all messages these days, I don't think.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anyway, let me know if you find a solution and I'll keep my brain 
>>>>>> ticking as long as it can ...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers now.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Carol P
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 22/08/2016 21:36, SoonerAnnie wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Richard and Carol,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for getting back to me. Each time I reinstall the app, I go to 
>>>>>>> shop and restore purchases, which gives me access to everything as I 
>>>>>>> purchased the full package. And it restores with no problem. However, 
>>>>>>> no matter what I'm doing...texting, writing a note, or working with 
>>>>>>> email...the results are the same. The rest of the MBraille app works 
>>>>>>> just fine. As for the 3rd party keyboard, it will let me begin typing 
>>>>>>> but I never know for how long. Sometimes it's a few characters and 
>>>>>>> sometimes I can get a few words. Suddenly without warning it is gone, 
>>>>>>> taking what I have written with it. I have no idea why this keyboard 
>>>>>>> seems to be incompatible with my SE!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ann
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Richard Turner 
>>>>>>>> <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And, did you make sure it had full access in the keyboard settings?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Richard
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>>> From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 9:19 AM
>>>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> OK. I don't have an answer but will give it a little more thought for
>>>>>>>> you if you can think about when it's crashed. In what apps were you
>>>>>>>> working at the time? Were you trying to transfer information at that
>>>>>>>> stage? Anything else you can say may help me, or others, to find an
>>>>>>>> answer for you.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Carol P
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2016 11:26, SoonerAnnie wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I am having a problem with the MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing 
>>>>>>>>> on my iPhone SE. It does just fine on my 6S. I have uninstalled and 
>>>>>>>>> reinstalled it numerous times on the SE to no avail. I am running the 
>>>>>>>>> latest version of the MBraille app and the latest version of IOS. I 
>>>>>>>>> have written to the MBraille list but haven't heard anything from 
>>>>>>>>> them yet. Just thought I'd check to see if anyone here had any 
>>>>>>>>> suggestions. Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to give 
>>>>>>>>> me! I'm not having any other crashes on my SE, and the MBraille 
>>>>>>>>> keyboard doesn't crash on my other phone. H

Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

[SoonerAnnie]

Hi Richard, I did respond to Harri's message and it went through as I did see 
it on the list. I am using the away mode and orientation is locked. My SE is 
the only device I have had trouble with the 3rd party keyboard. Thanks. 

Ann 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 24, 2016, at 9:07 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Ann,
> I saw Harri's message a couple days ago.
> I did not see a response from yu on that list.
> What mode are you using?
> Away, Table Top?
> If away, do you have orientation locked?
> 
> I use mBraille on an iPod Touch 6, an iPhone 5s and an iPhone 6 with no 
> issues at all.
> 
> There must be a setting that is different with your 5SE or it has some other 
> issue.
> 
> I hope it gets sorted.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> SoonerAnnie
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 5:31 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing
> 
> That would be a great idea, Carol, but absolutely nothing works with the 3rd 
> party keyboard! It is totally incompatible with my phone! Every time I try 
> typing anything from it, it disappears almost immediately. In other words, it 
> consistently crashes, no matter what. I don't know if it hates my phone or if 
> my phone hates it, but it's one or the other. I figured if it would work on 
> one phone, it would work on another, but obviously not. 
> 
> I'm so glad I h the Braille Screen Input! And if Apple would fix it to where 
> it spoke when typing in contracted Braille, I wdn't ever care about another 
> keyboard again! Smile! 
> 
> Ann 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 24, 2016, at 6:53 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> TThe last I ever heard from Harri on the subject, soon after the Third Party 
>> keyboard came in, was that some apps worked and some, it was found, were 
>> better not to use it. Perhaps you should take this approach and see what 
>> never crashes and avoid those that do!
>> 
>> 
>> Carol P
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 23/08/2016 02:08, SoonerAnnie wrote:
>>> Thanks for the ideas and suggestions, Carol! It's not what I want but am 
>>> thankful that there are so many workarounds.
>>> 
>>> I know my message got to the MBraille list because I saw it. :) There's 
>>> probably nothing anyone can do, but it would be interesting to hear Harri's 
>>> thoughts. Of course, I know people are busy and have lives and everything, 
>>> so trying not to be a pain or be impatient. After all, I have the regular 
>>> MBraille keyboard, as well as the trusty Braille screen input. :)
>>> 
>>> Thanks, all! Will let you know if I figure out or learn a solution.
>>> 
>>> Ann
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 22, 2016, at 5:42 PM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I must admit, though I do quite often use the Third Party part of the 
>>>> keyboard, I do have more occasions when something happens to my text 
>>>> and/or I can't get the keyboard to set to the next (perhaps I need to use 
>>>> the onboard one at that time for example but the option to select another 
>>>> keyboard is not given) The problem with the above senario is that then, as 
>>>> soon as I go into an editbox, and it may be just very briefly and I don't 
>>>> actually want to write in it, the keyboard believes it does have to kick 
>>>> in!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hmm! Just another thought on this: The Third Party keyboard is, as I 
>>>> understand it, writing in "real time" so it may be that you're just 
>>>> writing too quickly for things to stay as they ought. At least on that 
>>>> phone you may consider ensuring that the mBraille keyboard is in fact as 
>>>> strategically placed as possible so you can go for that, rather than the 
>>>> Third Party option.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I know that isn't what you want to do, just as I'd rather not have 
>>>> problems with mine from time to time, but this may give you a few things 
>>>> to consider.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hope it might help a little.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> BTW: if you still haven't had any responses from the list itself, it may 
>>>> be that your mes

Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,

From what I have seen posted in other places, in iOS10 voiceover will 
echo typing with contracted braille. It is something I too have been 
wanting especially since BSI supports UEB.



Regards,

Greg Wocher


On 8/25/2016 4:46 PM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone wrote:
OK, I guess you just have to abandon the Third Party keyboard and use 
the original keyboard, pasting to whatever item you want. I would do 
that rather than not having mBraille at all.



Carol P



On 25/08/2016 01:31, SoonerAnnie wrote:
That would be a great idea, Carol, but absolutely nothing works with 
the 3rd party keyboard! It is totally incompatible with my phone! 
Every time I try typing anything from it, it disappears almost 
immediately. In other words, it consistently crashes, no matter what. 
I don't know if it hates my phone or if my phone hates it, but it's 
one or the other. I figured if it would work on one phone, it would 
work on another, but obviously not.


I'm so glad I h the Braille Screen Input! And if Apple would fix it 
to where it spoke when typing in contracted Braille, I wdn't ever 
care about another keyboard again! Smile!


Ann

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 24, 2016, at 6:53 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


TThe last I ever heard from Harri on the subject, soon after the 
Third Party keyboard came in, was that some apps worked and some, it 
was found, were better not to use it. Perhaps you should take this 
approach and see what never crashes and avoid those that do!



Carol P




On 23/08/2016 02:08, SoonerAnnie wrote:
Thanks for the ideas and suggestions, Carol! It's not what I want 
but am thankful that there are so many workarounds.


I know my message got to the MBraille list because I saw it. :) 
There's probably nothing anyone can do, but it would be interesting 
to hear Harri's thoughts. Of course, I know people are busy and 
have lives and everything, so trying not to be a pain or be 
impatient. After all, I have the regular MBraille keyboard, as well 
as the trusty Braille screen input. :)


Thanks, all! Will let you know if I figure out or learn a solution.

Ann

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 22, 2016, at 5:42 PM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:


I must admit, though I do quite often use the Third Party part of 
the keyboard, I do have more occasions when something happens to 
my text and/or I can't get the keyboard to set to the next 
(perhaps I need to use the onboard one at that time for example 
but the option to select another keyboard is not given) The 
problem with the above senario is that then, as soon as I go into 
an editbox, and it may be just very briefly and I don't actually 
want to write in it, the keyboard believes it does have to kick in!



Hmm! Just another thought on this: The Third Party keyboard is, as 
I understand it, writing in "real time" so it may be that you're 
just writing too quickly for things to stay as they ought. At 
least on that phone you may consider ensuring that the mBraille 
keyboard is in fact as strategically placed as possible so you can 
go for that, rather than the Third Party option.



I know that isn't what you want to do, just as I'd rather not have 
problems with mine from time to time, but this may give you a few 
things to consider.



Hope it might help a little.


BTW: if you still haven't had any responses from the list itself, 
it may be that your message didn't get there, or Harri hasn't seen 
it. If he had, he'd almost certainly respond, but he doesn't 
always have time to see all messages these days, I don't think.



Anyway, let me know if you find a solution and I'll keep my brain 
ticking as long as it can ...



Cheers now.


Carol P




On 22/08/2016 21:36, SoonerAnnie wrote:
Hi Richard and Carol,

Thanks for getting back to me. Each time I reinstall the app, I 
go to shop and restore purchases, which gives me access to 
everything as I purchased the full package. And it restores with 
no problem. However, no matter what I'm doing...texting, writing 
a note, or working with email...the results are the same. The 
rest of the MBraille app works just fine. As for the 3rd party 
keyboard, it will let me begin typing but I never know for how 
long. Sometimes it's a few characters and sometimes I can get a 
few words. Suddenly without warning it is gone, taking what I 
have written with it. I have no idea why this keyboard seems to 
be incompatible with my SE!


Ann

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 22, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Richard Turner 
<richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:


And, did you make sure it had full access in the keyboard settings?

Richard


-Original Message-
From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 9:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

OK. I don't have an answer but will give it a little more 
thought for

you if y

Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

OK, I guess you just have to abandon the Third Party keyboard and use 
the original keyboard, pasting to whatever item you want. I would do 
that rather than not having mBraille at all.



Carol P



On 25/08/2016 01:31, SoonerAnnie wrote:

That would be a great idea, Carol, but absolutely nothing works with the 3rd 
party keyboard! It is totally incompatible with my phone! Every time I try 
typing anything from it, it disappears almost immediately. In other words, it 
consistently crashes, no matter what. I don't know if it hates my phone or if 
my phone hates it, but it's one or the other. I figured if it would work on one 
phone, it would work on another, but obviously not.

I'm so glad I h the Braille Screen Input! And if Apple would fix it to where it 
spoke when typing in contracted Braille, I wdn't ever care about another 
keyboard again! Smile!

Ann

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 24, 2016, at 6:53 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

TThe last I ever heard from Harri on the subject, soon after the Third Party 
keyboard came in, was that some apps worked and some, it was found, were better 
not to use it. Perhaps you should take this approach and see what never crashes 
and avoid those that do!


Carol P




On 23/08/2016 02:08, SoonerAnnie wrote:
Thanks for the ideas and suggestions, Carol! It's not what I want but am 
thankful that there are so many workarounds.

I know my message got to the MBraille list because I saw it. :) There's 
probably nothing anyone can do, but it would be interesting to hear Harri's 
thoughts. Of course, I know people are busy and have lives and everything, so 
trying not to be a pain or be impatient. After all, I have the regular MBraille 
keyboard, as well as the trusty Braille screen input. :)

Thanks, all! Will let you know if I figure out or learn a solution.

Ann

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 22, 2016, at 5:42 PM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I must admit, though I do quite often use the Third Party part of the keyboard, 
I do have more occasions when something happens to my text and/or I can't get 
the keyboard to set to the next (perhaps I need to use the onboard one at that 
time for example but the option to select another keyboard is not given) The 
problem with the above senario is that then, as soon as I go into an editbox, 
and it may be just very briefly and I don't actually want to write in it, the 
keyboard believes it does have to kick in!


Hmm! Just another thought on this: The Third Party keyboard is, as I understand it, 
writing in "real time" so it may be that you're just writing too quickly for 
things to stay as they ought. At least on that phone you may consider ensuring that the 
mBraille keyboard is in fact as strategically placed as possible so you can go for that, 
rather than the Third Party option.


I know that isn't what you want to do, just as I'd rather not have problems 
with mine from time to time, but this may give you a few things to consider.


Hope it might help a little.


BTW: if you still haven't had any responses from the list itself, it may be 
that your message didn't get there, or Harri hasn't seen it. If he had, he'd 
almost certainly respond, but he doesn't always have time to see all messages 
these days, I don't think.


Anyway, let me know if you find a solution and I'll keep my brain ticking as 
long as it can ...


Cheers now.


Carol P




On 22/08/2016 21:36, SoonerAnnie wrote:
Hi Richard and Carol,

Thanks for getting back to me. Each time I reinstall the app, I go to shop and 
restore purchases, which gives me access to everything as I purchased the full 
package. And it restores with no problem. However, no matter what I'm 
doing...texting, writing a note, or working with email...the results are the 
same. The rest of the MBraille app works just fine. As for the 3rd party 
keyboard, it will let me begin typing but I never know for how long. Sometimes 
it's a few characters and sometimes I can get a few words. Suddenly without 
warning it is gone, taking what I have written with it. I have no idea why this 
keyboard seems to be incompatible with my SE!

Ann

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 22, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
wrote:

And, did you make sure it had full access in the keyboard settings?

Richard


-Original Message-
From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 9:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

OK. I don't have an answer but will give it a little more thought for
you if you can think about when it's crashed. In what apps were you
working at the time? Were you trying to transfer information at that
stage? Anything else you can say may help me, or others, to find an
answer for you.


Cheers.


Carol P




On 22/08/2016 11:26, SoonerAnnie wrote:
Hi all,

I am having

RE: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

[Richard Turner]

Ann,
I saw Harri's message a couple days ago.
I did not see a response from yu on that list.
What mode are you using?
Away, Table Top?
If away, do you have orientation locked?

I use mBraille on an iPod Touch 6, an iPhone 5s and an iPhone 6 with no issues 
at all.

There must be a setting that is different with your 5SE or it has some other 
issue.

I hope it gets sorted.

Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
SoonerAnnie
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 5:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

That would be a great idea, Carol, but absolutely nothing works with the 3rd 
party keyboard! It is totally incompatible with my phone! Every time I try 
typing anything from it, it disappears almost immediately. In other words, it 
consistently crashes, no matter what. I don't know if it hates my phone or if 
my phone hates it, but it's one or the other. I figured if it would work on one 
phone, it would work on another, but obviously not. 

I'm so glad I h the Braille Screen Input! And if Apple would fix it to where it 
spoke when typing in contracted Braille, I wdn't ever care about another 
keyboard again! Smile! 

Ann 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 24, 2016, at 6:53 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> TThe last I ever heard from Harri on the subject, soon after the Third Party 
> keyboard came in, was that some apps worked and some, it was found, were 
> better not to use it. Perhaps you should take this approach and see what 
> never crashes and avoid those that do!
> 
> 
> Carol P
> 
> 
> 
>> On 23/08/2016 02:08, SoonerAnnie wrote:
>> Thanks for the ideas and suggestions, Carol! It's not what I want but am 
>> thankful that there are so many workarounds.
>> 
>> I know my message got to the MBraille list because I saw it. :) There's 
>> probably nothing anyone can do, but it would be interesting to hear Harri's 
>> thoughts. Of course, I know people are busy and have lives and everything, 
>> so trying not to be a pain or be impatient. After all, I have the regular 
>> MBraille keyboard, as well as the trusty Braille screen input. :)
>> 
>> Thanks, all! Will let you know if I figure out or learn a solution.
>> 
>> Ann
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 22, 2016, at 5:42 PM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I must admit, though I do quite often use the Third Party part of the 
>>> keyboard, I do have more occasions when something happens to my text and/or 
>>> I can't get the keyboard to set to the next (perhaps I need to use the 
>>> onboard one at that time for example but the option to select another 
>>> keyboard is not given) The problem with the above senario is that then, as 
>>> soon as I go into an editbox, and it may be just very briefly and I don't 
>>> actually want to write in it, the keyboard believes it does have to kick in!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hmm! Just another thought on this: The Third Party keyboard is, as I 
>>> understand it, writing in "real time" so it may be that you're just writing 
>>> too quickly for things to stay as they ought. At least on that phone you 
>>> may consider ensuring that the mBraille keyboard is in fact as 
>>> strategically placed as possible so you can go for that, rather than the 
>>> Third Party option.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I know that isn't what you want to do, just as I'd rather not have problems 
>>> with mine from time to time, but this may give you a few things to consider.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hope it might help a little.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> BTW: if you still haven't had any responses from the list itself, it may be 
>>> that your message didn't get there, or Harri hasn't seen it. If he had, 
>>> he'd almost certainly respond, but he doesn't always have time to see all 
>>> messages these days, I don't think.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anyway, let me know if you find a solution and I'll keep my brain ticking 
>>> as long as it can ...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers now.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Carol P
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 22/08/2016 21:36, SoonerAnnie wrote:
>>>> Hi Richard and Carol,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for getting back to me. Each time I reinstall the app, I go to shop 
>>>> and restore purchases, which gives me access to everything as I purchased 
>>>> the full package. And i

Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

[SoonerAnnie]

That would be a great idea, Carol, but absolutely nothing works with the 3rd 
party keyboard! It is totally incompatible with my phone! Every time I try 
typing anything from it, it disappears almost immediately. In other words, it 
consistently crashes, no matter what. I don't know if it hates my phone or if 
my phone hates it, but it's one or the other. I figured if it would work on one 
phone, it would work on another, but obviously not. 

I'm so glad I h the Braille Screen Input! And if Apple would fix it to where it 
spoke when typing in contracted Braille, I wdn't ever care about another 
keyboard again! Smile! 

Ann 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 24, 2016, at 6:53 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> TThe last I ever heard from Harri on the subject, soon after the Third Party 
> keyboard came in, was that some apps worked and some, it was found, were 
> better not to use it. Perhaps you should take this approach and see what 
> never crashes and avoid those that do!
> 
> 
> Carol P
> 
> 
> 
>> On 23/08/2016 02:08, SoonerAnnie wrote:
>> Thanks for the ideas and suggestions, Carol! It's not what I want but am 
>> thankful that there are so many workarounds.
>> 
>> I know my message got to the MBraille list because I saw it. :) There's 
>> probably nothing anyone can do, but it would be interesting to hear Harri's 
>> thoughts. Of course, I know people are busy and have lives and everything, 
>> so trying not to be a pain or be impatient. After all, I have the regular 
>> MBraille keyboard, as well as the trusty Braille screen input. :)
>> 
>> Thanks, all! Will let you know if I figure out or learn a solution.
>> 
>> Ann
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 22, 2016, at 5:42 PM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>>> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I must admit, though I do quite often use the Third Party part of the 
>>> keyboard, I do have more occasions when something happens to my text and/or 
>>> I can't get the keyboard to set to the next (perhaps I need to use the 
>>> onboard one at that time for example but the option to select another 
>>> keyboard is not given) The problem with the above senario is that then, as 
>>> soon as I go into an editbox, and it may be just very briefly and I don't 
>>> actually want to write in it, the keyboard believes it does have to kick in!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hmm! Just another thought on this: The Third Party keyboard is, as I 
>>> understand it, writing in "real time" so it may be that you're just writing 
>>> too quickly for things to stay as they ought. At least on that phone you 
>>> may consider ensuring that the mBraille keyboard is in fact as 
>>> strategically placed as possible so you can go for that, rather than the 
>>> Third Party option.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I know that isn't what you want to do, just as I'd rather not have problems 
>>> with mine from time to time, but this may give you a few things to consider.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hope it might help a little.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> BTW: if you still haven't had any responses from the list itself, it may be 
>>> that your message didn't get there, or Harri hasn't seen it. If he had, 
>>> he'd almost certainly respond, but he doesn't always have time to see all 
>>> messages these days, I don't think.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anyway, let me know if you find a solution and I'll keep my brain ticking 
>>> as long as it can ...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers now.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Carol P
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 22/08/2016 21:36, SoonerAnnie wrote:
>>>> Hi Richard and Carol,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for getting back to me. Each time I reinstall the app, I go to shop 
>>>> and restore purchases, which gives me access to everything as I purchased 
>>>> the full package. And it restores with no problem. However, no matter what 
>>>> I'm doing...texting, writing a note, or working with email...the results 
>>>> are the same. The rest of the MBraille app works just fine. As for the 3rd 
>>>> party keyboard, it will let me begin typing but I never know for how long. 
>>>> Sometimes it's a few characters and sometimes I can get a few words. 
>>>> Suddenly without warning it is gone, taking what I have written with it. I 
>>>> have no idea why this keyboard seems to be incompatible with my SE!
>>>> 
>>>&

Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

TThe last I ever heard from Harri on the subject, soon after the Third 
Party keyboard came in, was that some apps worked and some, it was 
found, were better not to use it. Perhaps you should take this approach 
and see what never crashes and avoid those that do!



Carol P



On 23/08/2016 02:08, SoonerAnnie wrote:

Thanks for the ideas and suggestions, Carol! It's not what I want but am 
thankful that there are so many workarounds.

I know my message got to the MBraille list because I saw it. :) There's 
probably nothing anyone can do, but it would be interesting to hear Harri's 
thoughts. Of course, I know people are busy and have lives and everything, so 
trying not to be a pain or be impatient. After all, I have the regular MBraille 
keyboard, as well as the trusty Braille screen input. :)

Thanks, all! Will let you know if I figure out or learn a solution.

Ann

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 22, 2016, at 5:42 PM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I must admit, though I do quite often use the Third Party part of the keyboard, 
I do have more occasions when something happens to my text and/or I can't get 
the keyboard to set to the next (perhaps I need to use the onboard one at that 
time for example but the option to select another keyboard is not given) The 
problem with the above senario is that then, as soon as I go into an editbox, 
and it may be just very briefly and I don't actually want to write in it, the 
keyboard believes it does have to kick in!


Hmm! Just another thought on this: The Third Party keyboard is, as I understand it, 
writing in "real time" so it may be that you're just writing too quickly for 
things to stay as they ought. At least on that phone you may consider ensuring that the 
mBraille keyboard is in fact as strategically placed as possible so you can go for that, 
rather than the Third Party option.


I know that isn't what you want to do, just as I'd rather not have problems 
with mine from time to time, but this may give you a few things to consider.


Hope it might help a little.


BTW: if you still haven't had any responses from the list itself, it may be 
that your message didn't get there, or Harri hasn't seen it. If he had, he'd 
almost certainly respond, but he doesn't always have time to see all messages 
these days, I don't think.


Anyway, let me know if you find a solution and I'll keep my brain ticking as 
long as it can ...


Cheers now.


Carol P




On 22/08/2016 21:36, SoonerAnnie wrote:
Hi Richard and Carol,

Thanks for getting back to me. Each time I reinstall the app, I go to shop and 
restore purchases, which gives me access to everything as I purchased the full 
package. And it restores with no problem. However, no matter what I'm 
doing...texting, writing a note, or working with email...the results are the 
same. The rest of the MBraille app works just fine. As for the 3rd party 
keyboard, it will let me begin typing but I never know for how long. Sometimes 
it's a few characters and sometimes I can get a few words. Suddenly without 
warning it is gone, taking what I have written with it. I have no idea why this 
keyboard seems to be incompatible with my SE!

Ann

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 22, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
wrote:

And, did you make sure it had full access in the keyboard settings?

Richard


-Original Message-
From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 9:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

OK. I don't have an answer but will give it a little more thought for
you if you can think about when it's crashed. In what apps were you
working at the time? Were you trying to transfer information at that
stage? Anything else you can say may help me, or others, to find an
answer for you.


Cheers.


Carol P




On 22/08/2016 11:26, SoonerAnnie wrote:
Hi all,

I am having a problem with the MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing on my 
iPhone SE. It does just fine on my 6S. I have uninstalled and reinstalled it 
numerous times on the SE to no avail. I am running the latest version of the 
MBraille app and the latest version of IOS. I have written to the MBraille list 
but haven't heard anything from them yet. Just thought I'd check to see if 
anyone here had any suggestions. Thanks in advance for any help you may be able 
to give me! I'm not having any other crashes on my SE, and the MBraille 
keyboard doesn't crash on my other phone. Hmmm.

Ann

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Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

[SoonerAnnie]

He just wrote and asked me which layout I'm using and also which version of IOS 
I was running. 

Ann 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 23, 2016, at 3:35 AM, Jeremy <jeremy.richar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have to agree. I recently wrote the author of Mbraille a very detailed 
> email message in regards to his app not working well with edit fields in a 
> very popular taxi app, and his reply? The following four words: "Thanks for 
> the feedback." 
> 
> He offered no solution nor any idea as to whether he too can replicate the 
> problem. This would have been very poor customer service for an app which 
> cost just a couple of dollars, but Mbraille is about $50 when you purchase 
> all the add-ons, so the software developer's reply is actually very 
> insulting. 
> 
> JR
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Brett
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 1:02 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> You wont either, at least not from the author. He is happy to take your money 
> but never gets back when you experience an issue.
> 
> 
> Ever since spell checking became available in the third party keyboard 
> it has never worked for me across two different phones. List members 
> were quite helpful but I got nothing from the author and haven't 
> received a refund since its not working as advertised.
> 
> 
> All I can tell you apart from spell checking, it does work on my SE. In 
> my opinion this app is getting more and more buggy each update, I can't 
> wait to see what disasters iOS10 brings. Lol.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Brett.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8/22/2016 8:26 PM, SoonerAnnie wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am having a problem with the MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing on my 
>> iPhone SE. It does just fine on my 6S. I have uninstalled and reinstalled it 
>> numerous times on the SE to no avail. I am running the latest version of the 
>> MBraille app and the latest version of IOS. I have written to the MBraille 
>> list but haven't heard anything from them yet. Just thought I'd check to see 
>> if anyone here had any suggestions. Thanks in advance for any help you may 
>> be able to give me! I'm not having any other crashes on my SE, and the 
>> MBraille keyboard doesn't crash on my other phone. Hmmm.
>> 
>> Ann
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Hi Brett,

Well, I have known others say that they have, and I have certainly seen a few 
differences now and again, Though not normally, I must admit! Thinking back, I 
remember Jonathan Mosen was one of the unfortunate ones who did not have a 
phone working at one stage following an upgrade, where many of us had no 
problem. When I upgrade, I often am unable to find that the upgrade is 
completed, unless my husband calls my phone, at which point it will ring and I 
find, of course, that the update is complete. I haven't heard of anyone else 
with that problem! Although many experienced double letters with their 
keyboards, some certainly did not. This was a long-standing problem and some 
still have it. Okay, in that case it may be that only certain keyboards were 
affected, but still left us wondering what was going on and what we should do 
about it for for a little while! I don't think anybody quite knows why that 
problem occurred and, maybe, now, at last, it is solved, but I am not sure!… I 
have also noted that some seem to have fairing experiences with the MBraille 
app. One will have no problems in using the third-party keyboard, whilst 
another is struggling and finds that sometimes they are thrown out of what they 
are writing and their work is lost!

I readily accept that there are many reasons for things going wrong and that 
"human error" or "software or hardware failure" can cause a problem and  these 
things can certainly lead to frustration and  folk not being able to solve the 
problem themselves!



Of course we can agree to differ… And I send you greetings and wish you a very 
good evening in doing so!  :-) 

Carol P



On 23 Aug 2016, at 09:07, Brett <brettst...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,


Sorry, I can't agree with the below statement. In all my years of using an 
iPhone, since the 3GS days, I have never seen an app behave differently on one 
phone as opposed to another if they are running the same iOS version.


Cheers,

Brett.



> On 8/23/2016 8:31 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone wrote:
> Nobody really knows exactly why ... but often there are irregularities with 
> two phones running the same version of software or the software itself runs 
> well on one and not on the other.
> 
> 
> It's a bit drastic, but if that's your main phone, so it obviously gets more 
> use, you may consider restoring the phone form scratch. This sometimes can 
> work.
> 
> 
> Carol P
> 
> 
> 
>> On 22/08/2016 22:25, SoonerAnnie wrote:
>> Yes, I've checked it all. Absolutely the only problem I'm having is with the 
>> 3rd party part of the app. Of course, it shows up in the keyboards list and 
>> I can bring it up anytime, but keeping it there is impossible! Right now I'm 
>> using the one on my 6S and it's working like a charm! But the SE is my 
>> primary phone and the one I would really like it to work on so I don't have 
>> to worry about having a keyboard with me when I'm out and about. Thanks for 
>> suggestions.
>> 
>> Ann
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 22, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, by restoring, you double checked in the settings, general, keyboard and 
>>> made sure it had full access, right?
>>> 
>>> I just wanted to make sure you had actually checked the settings.
>>> 
>>> If you did and the settings are correct, then perhaps you need to talk 
>>> directly with Apple Accessibility support.
>>> 
>>> I can only imagine how frustrating this is.
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of SoonerAnnie
>>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 1:36 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Richard and Carol,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for getting back to me. Each time I reinstall the app, I go to shop 
>>> and restore purchases, which gives me access to everything as I purchased 
>>> the full package. And it restores with no problem. However, no matter what 
>>> I'm doing...texting, writing a note, or working with email...the results 
>>> are the same. The rest of the MBraille app works just fine. As for the 3rd 
>>> party keyboard, it will let me begin typing but I never know for how long. 
>>> Sometimes it's a few characters and sometimes I can get a few words. 
>>> Suddenly without warning it is gone, taking what I have written with it. I 
>>> have no idea why this keyboard seems to be incompatible with my SE!
>>

Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

[Richard Turner]

Did you request a refund through Apple?
They are the only ones who can provide refunds.
itunesstoresupp...@apple.com

It is very hard for developers to fix an issue they cannot duplicate. I use 
MBraille on three different devices with no issues. But, Harri certainly could 
respond far better than he does, no question about that. So, on the customer 
service side, I'd agree that his is pretty poor.
But, for me, the app is one of my most used apps by far.
If it doesn't work for you, I think you should get a refund, delete the app, 
and stick with Apple Braille input.
Good luck,
Richard


"Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." -Victor Hugo
(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Aug 23, 2016, at 1:02 AM, Brett 
> wrote:

Hi,


You wont either, at least not from the author. He is happy to take your money 
but never gets back when you experience an issue.


Ever since spell checking became available in the third party keyboard it has 
never worked for me across two different phones. List members were quite 
helpful but I got nothing from the author and haven't received a refund since 
its not working as advertised.


All I can tell you apart from spell checking, it does work on my SE. In my 
opinion this app is getting more and more buggy each update, I can't wait to 
see what disasters iOS10 brings. Lol.


Cheers,

Brett.



On 8/22/2016 8:26 PM, SoonerAnnie wrote:
Hi all,

I am having a problem with the MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing on my 
iPhone SE. It does just fine on my 6S. I have uninstalled and reinstalled it 
numerous times on the SE to no avail. I am running the latest version of the 
MBraille app and the latest version of IOS. I have written to the MBraille list 
but haven't heard anything from them yet. Just thought I'd check to see if 
anyone here had any suggestions. Thanks in advance for any help you may be able 
to give me! I'm not having any other crashes on my SE, and the MBraille 
keyboard doesn't crash on my other phone. Hmmm.

Ann

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RE: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

[Jeremy]

I have to agree. I recently wrote the author of Mbraille a very detailed email 
message in regards to his app not working well with edit fields in a very 
popular taxi app, and his reply? The following four words: "Thanks for the 
feedback." 

He offered no solution nor any idea as to whether he too can replicate the 
problem. This would have been very poor customer service for an app which cost 
just a couple of dollars, but Mbraille is about $50 when you purchase all the 
add-ons, so the software developer's reply is actually very insulting. 

JR

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Brett
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

Hi,


You wont either, at least not from the author. He is happy to take your money 
but never gets back when you experience an issue.


Ever since spell checking became available in the third party keyboard 
it has never worked for me across two different phones. List members 
were quite helpful but I got nothing from the author and haven't 
received a refund since its not working as advertised.


All I can tell you apart from spell checking, it does work on my SE. In 
my opinion this app is getting more and more buggy each update, I can't 
wait to see what disasters iOS10 brings. Lol.


Cheers,

Brett.



On 8/22/2016 8:26 PM, SoonerAnnie wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am having a problem with the MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing on my 
> iPhone SE. It does just fine on my 6S. I have uninstalled and reinstalled it 
> numerous times on the SE to no avail. I am running the latest version of the 
> MBraille app and the latest version of IOS. I have written to the MBraille 
> list but haven't heard anything from them yet. Just thought I'd check to see 
> if anyone here had any suggestions. Thanks in advance for any help you may be 
> able to give me! I'm not having any other crashes on my SE, and the MBraille 
> keyboard doesn't crash on my other phone. Hmmm.
>
> Ann
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

[Brett]

Hi,


Sorry, I can't agree with the below statement. In all my years of using 
an iPhone, since the 3GS days, I have never seen an app behave 
differently on one phone as opposed to another if they are running the 
same iOS version.



Cheers,

Brett.



On 8/23/2016 8:31 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone wrote:
Nobody really knows exactly why ... but often there are irregularities 
with two phones running the same version of software or the software 
itself runs well on one and not on the other.



It's a bit drastic, but if that's your main phone, so it obviously 
gets more use, you may consider restoring the phone form scratch. This 
sometimes can work.



Carol PP



On 22/08/2016 22:25, SoonerAnnie wrote:
Yes, I've checked it all. Absolutely the only problem I'm having is 
with the 3rd party part of the app. Of course, it shows up in the 
keyboards list and I can bring it up anytime, but keeping it there is 
impossible! Right now I'm using the one on my 6S and it's working 
like a charm! But the SE is my primary phone and the one I would 
really like it to work on so I don't have to worry about having a 
keyboard with me when I'm out and about. Thanks for suggestions.


Ann

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 22, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Richard Turner 
<richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:


So, by restoring, you double checked in the settings, general, 
keyboard and made sure it had full access, right?


I just wanted to make sure you had actually checked the settings.

If you did and the settings are correct, then perhaps you need to 
talk directly with Apple Accessibility support.


I can only imagine how frustrating this is.

Richard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of SoonerAnnie

Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 1:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing


Hi Richard and Carol,

Thanks for getting back to me. Each time I reinstall the app, I go 
to shop and restore purchases, which gives me access to everything 
as I purchased the full package. And it restores with no problem. 
However, no matter what I'm doing...texting, writing a note, or 
working with email...the results are the same. The rest of the 
MBraille app works just fine. As for the 3rd party keyboard, it will 
let me begin typing but I never know for how long. Sometimes it's a 
few characters and sometimes I can get a few words. Suddenly without 
warning it is gone, taking what I have written with it. I have no 
idea why this keyboard seems to be incompatible with my SE!


Ann

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 22, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Richard Turner 
<richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:


And, did you make sure it had full access in the keyboard settings?

Richard


-Original Message-
From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 9:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

OK. I don't have an answer but will give it a little more thought for
you if you can think about when it's crashed. In what apps were you
working at the time? Were you trying to transfer information at that
stage? Anything else you can say may help me, or others, to find an
answer for you.


Cheers.


Carol P




On 22/08/2016 11:26, SoonerAnnie wrote:
Hi all,

I am having a problem with the MBraille 3rd party keyboard 
crashing on my iPhone SE. It does just fine on my 6S. I have 
uninstalled and reinstalled it numerous times on the SE to no 
avail. I am running the latest version of the MBraille app and the 
latest version of IOS. I have written to the MBraille list but 
haven't heard anything from them yet. Just thought I'd check to 
see if anyone here had any suggestions. Thanks in advance for any 
help you may be able to give me! I'm not having any other crashes 
on my SE, and the MBraille keyboard doesn't crash on my other 
phone. Hmmm.


Ann

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Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

[Brett]

Hi,


You wont either, at least not from the author. He is happy to take your 
money but never gets back when you experience an issue.



Ever since spell checking became available in the third party keyboard 
it has never worked for me across two different phones. List members 
were quite helpful but I got nothing from the author and haven't 
received a refund since its not working as advertised.



All I can tell you apart from spell checking, it does work on my SE. In 
my opinion this app is getting more and more buggy each update, I can't 
wait to see what disasters iOS10 brings. Lol.



Cheers,

Brett.



On 8/22/2016 8:26 PM, SoonerAnnie wrote:

Hi all,

I am having a problem with the MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing on my 
iPhone SE. It does just fine on my 6S. I have uninstalled and reinstalled it 
numerous times on the SE to no avail. I am running the latest version of the 
MBraille app and the latest version of IOS. I have written to the MBraille list 
but haven't heard anything from them yet. Just thought I'd check to see if 
anyone here had any suggestions. Thanks in advance for any help you may be able 
to give me! I'm not having any other crashes on my SE, and the MBraille 
keyboard doesn't crash on my other phone. Hmmm.

Ann

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Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

[SoonerAnnie]

Thanks for the ideas and suggestions, Carol! It's not what I want but am 
thankful that there are so many workarounds. 

I know my message got to the MBraille list because I saw it. :) There's 
probably nothing anyone can do, but it would be interesting to hear Harri's 
thoughts. Of course, I know people are busy and have lives and everything, so 
trying not to be a pain or be impatient. After all, I have the regular MBraille 
keyboard, as well as the trusty Braille screen input. :) 

Thanks, all! Will let you know if I figure out or learn a solution. 

Ann 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 22, 2016, at 5:42 PM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> I must admit, though I do quite often use the Third Party part of the 
> keyboard, I do have more occasions when something happens to my text and/or I 
> can't get the keyboard to set to the next (perhaps I need to use the onboard 
> one at that time for example but the option to select another keyboard is not 
> given) The problem with the above senario is that then, as soon as I go into 
> an editbox, and it may be just very briefly and I don't actually want to 
> write in it, the keyboard believes it does have to kick in!
> 
> 
> Hmm! Just another thought on this: The Third Party keyboard is, as I 
> understand it, writing in "real time" so it may be that you're just writing 
> too quickly for things to stay as they ought. At least on that phone you may 
> consider ensuring that the mBraille keyboard is in fact as strategically 
> placed as possible so you can go for that, rather than the Third Party option.
> 
> 
> I know that isn't what you want to do, just as I'd rather not have problems 
> with mine from time to time, but this may give you a few things to consider.
> 
> 
> Hope it might help a little.
> 
> 
> BTW: if you still haven't had any responses from the list itself, it may be 
> that your message didn't get there, or Harri hasn't seen it. If he had, he'd 
> almost certainly respond, but he doesn't always have time to see all messages 
> these days, I don't think.
> 
> 
> Anyway, let me know if you find a solution and I'll keep my brain ticking as 
> long as it can ...
> 
> 
> Cheers now.
> 
> 
> Carol P
> 
> 
> 
>> On 22/08/2016 21:36, SoonerAnnie wrote:
>> Hi Richard and Carol,
>> 
>> Thanks for getting back to me. Each time I reinstall the app, I go to shop 
>> and restore purchases, which gives me access to everything as I purchased 
>> the full package. And it restores with no problem. However, no matter what 
>> I'm doing...texting, writing a note, or working with email...the results are 
>> the same. The rest of the MBraille app works just fine. As for the 3rd party 
>> keyboard, it will let me begin typing but I never know for how long. 
>> Sometimes it's a few characters and sometimes I can get a few words. 
>> Suddenly without warning it is gone, taking what I have written with it. I 
>> have no idea why this keyboard seems to be incompatible with my SE!
>> 
>> Ann
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 22, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> And, did you make sure it had full access in the keyboard settings?
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 9:19 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing
>>> 
>>> OK. I don't have an answer but will give it a little more thought for
>>> you if you can think about when it's crashed. In what apps were you
>>> working at the time? Were you trying to transfer information at that
>>> stage? Anything else you can say may help me, or others, to find an
>>> answer for you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Carol P
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 22/08/2016 11:26, SoonerAnnie wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I am having a problem with the MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing on my 
>>>> iPhone SE. It does just fine on my 6S. I have uninstalled and reinstalled 
>>>> it numerous times on the SE to no avail. I am running the latest version 
>>>> of the MBraille app and the latest version of IOS. I have written to the 
>>>> MBraille list but haven't heard anything from them yet. Just thought I'd 
>>>> check to see if anyone here had any suggestions. Thanks in adva

Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

[SoonerAnnie]

Believe it or not, I did that a couple of days ago. I had a feeling it wouldn't 
help, but tried it anyway...and hoped! Actually, I've only had the SE for about 
a month, but like its smaller size, although I still like my 6S very much! 

Just FYI - I tried typing this on my MBraille keyboard but only typed a couple 
of letters before it went bye bye. So now I'm using the good old reliable 
Braille input keyboard! :) 

Ann 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 22, 2016, at 5:31 PM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Nobody really knows exactly why ... but often there are irregularities with 
> two phones running the same version of software or the software itself runs 
> well on one and not on the other.
> 
> 
> It's a bit drastic, but if that's your main phone, so it obviously gets more 
> use, you may consider restoring the phone form scratch. This sometimes can 
> work.
> 
> 
> Carol PP
> 
> 
> 
>> On 22/08/2016 22:25, SoonerAnnie wrote:
>> Yes, I've checked it all. Absolutely the only problem I'm having is with the 
>> 3rd party part of the app. Of course, it shows up in the keyboards list and 
>> I can bring it up anytime, but keeping it there is impossible! Right now I'm 
>> using the one on my 6S and it's working like a charm! But the SE is my 
>> primary phone and the one I would really like it to work on so I don't have 
>> to worry about having a keyboard with me when I'm out and about. Thanks for 
>> suggestions.
>> 
>> Ann
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 22, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, by restoring, you double checked in the settings, general, keyboard and 
>>> made sure it had full access, right?
>>> 
>>> I just wanted to make sure you had actually checked the settings.
>>> 
>>> If you did and the settings are correct, then perhaps you need to talk 
>>> directly with Apple Accessibility support.
>>> 
>>> I can only imagine how frustrating this is.
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of SoonerAnnie
>>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 1:36 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Richard and Carol,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for getting back to me. Each time I reinstall the app, I go to shop 
>>> and restore purchases, which gives me access to everything as I purchased 
>>> the full package. And it restores with no problem. However, no matter what 
>>> I'm doing...texting, writing a note, or working with email...the results 
>>> are the same. The rest of the MBraille app works just fine. As for the 3rd 
>>> party keyboard, it will let me begin typing but I never know for how long. 
>>> Sometimes it's a few characters and sometimes I can get a few words. 
>>> Suddenly without warning it is gone, taking what I have written with it. I 
>>> have no idea why this keyboard seems to be incompatible with my SE!
>>> 
>>> Ann
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 22, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> And, did you make sure it had full access in the keyboard settings?
>>>> 
>>>> Richard
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 9:19 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing
>>>> 
>>>> OK. I don't have an answer but will give it a little more thought for
>>>> you if you can think about when it's crashed. In what apps were you
>>>> working at the time? Were you trying to transfer information at that
>>>> stage? Anything else you can say may help me, or others, to find an
>>>> answer for you.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Carol P
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 22/08/2016 11:26, SoonerAnnie wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am having a problem with the MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing on my 
>>>>> iPhone SE. It 

Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

I must admit, though I do quite often use the Third Party part of the 
keyboard, I do have more occasions when something happens to my text 
and/or I can't get the keyboard to set to the next (perhaps I need to 
use the onboard one at that time for example but the option to select 
another keyboard is not given) The problem with the above senario is 
that then, as soon as I go into an editbox, and it may be just very 
briefly and I don't actually want to write in it, the keyboard believes 
it does have to kick in!



Hmm! Just another thought on this: The Third Party keyboard is, as I 
understand it, writing in "real time" so it may be that you're just 
writing too quickly for things to stay as they ought. At least on that 
phone you may consider ensuring that the mBraille keyboard is in fact as 
strategically placed as possible so you can go for that, rather than the 
Third Party option.



I know that isn't what you want to do, just as I'd rather not have 
problems with mine from time to time, but this may give you a few things 
to consider.



Hope it might help a little.


BTW: if you still haven't had any responses from the list itself, it may 
be that your message didn't get there, or Harri hasn't seen it. If he 
had, he'd almost certainly respond, but he doesn't always have time to 
see all messages these days, I don't think.



Anyway, let me know if you find a solution and I'll keep my brain 
ticking as long as it can ...



Cheers now.


Carol P



On 22/08/2016 21:36, SoonerAnnie wrote:

Hi Richard and Carol,

Thanks for getting back to me. Each time I reinstall the app, I go to shop and 
restore purchases, which gives me access to everything as I purchased the full 
package. And it restores with no problem. However, no matter what I'm 
doing...texting, writing a note, or working with email...the results are the 
same. The rest of the MBraille app works just fine. As for the 3rd party 
keyboard, it will let me begin typing but I never know for how long. Sometimes 
it's a few characters and sometimes I can get a few words. Suddenly without 
warning it is gone, taking what I have written with it. I have no idea why this 
keyboard seems to be incompatible with my SE!

Ann

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 22, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
wrote:

And, did you make sure it had full access in the keyboard settings?

Richard


-Original Message-
From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 9:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

OK. I don't have an answer but will give it a little more thought for
you if you can think about when it's crashed. In what apps were you
working at the time? Were you trying to transfer information at that
stage? Anything else you can say may help me, or others, to find an
answer for you.


Cheers.


Carol P




On 22/08/2016 11:26, SoonerAnnie wrote:
Hi all,

I am having a problem with the MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing on my 
iPhone SE. It does just fine on my 6S. I have uninstalled and reinstalled it 
numerous times on the SE to no avail. I am running the latest version of the 
MBraille app and the latest version of IOS. I have written to the MBraille list 
but haven't heard anything from them yet. Just thought I'd check to see if 
anyone here had any suggestions. Thanks in advance for any help you may be able 
to give me! I'm not having any other crashes on my SE, and the MBraille 
keyboard doesn't crash on my other phone. Hmmm.

Ann

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Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Nobody really knows exactly why ... but often there are irregularities 
with two phones running the same version of software or the software 
itself runs well on one and not on the other.



It's a bit drastic, but if that's your main phone, so it obviously gets 
more use, you may consider restoring the phone form scratch. This 
sometimes can work.



Carol PP



On 22/08/2016 22:25, SoonerAnnie wrote:

Yes, I've checked it all. Absolutely the only problem I'm having is with the 
3rd party part of the app. Of course, it shows up in the keyboards list and I 
can bring it up anytime, but keeping it there is impossible! Right now I'm 
using the one on my 6S and it's working like a charm! But the SE is my primary 
phone and the one I would really like it to work on so I don't have to worry 
about having a keyboard with me when I'm out and about. Thanks for suggestions.

Ann

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 22, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:

So, by restoring, you double checked in the settings, general, keyboard and 
made sure it had full access, right?

I just wanted to make sure you had actually checked the settings.

If you did and the settings are correct, then perhaps you need to talk directly 
with Apple Accessibility support.

I can only imagine how frustrating this is.

Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
SoonerAnnie
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 1:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing


Hi Richard and Carol,

Thanks for getting back to me. Each time I reinstall the app, I go to shop and 
restore purchases, which gives me access to everything as I purchased the full 
package. And it restores with no problem. However, no matter what I'm 
doing...texting, writing a note, or working with email...the results are the 
same. The rest of the MBraille app works just fine. As for the 3rd party 
keyboard, it will let me begin typing but I never know for how long. Sometimes 
it's a few characters and sometimes I can get a few words. Suddenly without 
warning it is gone, taking what I have written with it. I have no idea why this 
keyboard seems to be incompatible with my SE!

Ann

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 22, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
wrote:

And, did you make sure it had full access in the keyboard settings?

Richard


-Original Message-
From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 9:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

OK. I don't have an answer but will give it a little more thought for
you if you can think about when it's crashed. In what apps were you
working at the time? Were you trying to transfer information at that
stage? Anything else you can say may help me, or others, to find an
answer for you.


Cheers.


Carol P




On 22/08/2016 11:26, SoonerAnnie wrote:
Hi all,

I am having a problem with the MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing on my 
iPhone SE. It does just fine on my 6S. I have uninstalled and reinstalled it 
numerous times on the SE to no avail. I am running the latest version of the 
MBraille app and the latest version of IOS. I have written to the MBraille list 
but haven't heard anything from them yet. Just thought I'd check to see if 
anyone here had any suggestions. Thanks in advance for any help you may be able 
to give me! I'm not having any other crashes on my SE, and the MBraille 
keyboard doesn't crash on my other phone. Hmmm.

Ann

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Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

[SoonerAnnie]

Yes, I've checked it all. Absolutely the only problem I'm having is with the 
3rd party part of the app. Of course, it shows up in the keyboards list and I 
can bring it up anytime, but keeping it there is impossible! Right now I'm 
using the one on my 6S and it's working like a charm! But the SE is my primary 
phone and the one I would really like it to work on so I don't have to worry 
about having a keyboard with me when I'm out and about. Thanks for suggestions. 

Ann 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 22, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> So, by restoring, you double checked in the settings, general, keyboard and 
> made sure it had full access, right?
> 
> I just wanted to make sure you had actually checked the settings.
> 
> If you did and the settings are correct, then perhaps you need to talk 
> directly with Apple Accessibility support.
> 
> I can only imagine how frustrating this is.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> SoonerAnnie
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 1:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing
> 
> 
> Hi Richard and Carol, 
> 
> Thanks for getting back to me. Each time I reinstall the app, I go to shop 
> and restore purchases, which gives me access to everything as I purchased the 
> full package. And it restores with no problem. However, no matter what I'm 
> doing...texting, writing a note, or working with email...the results are the 
> same. The rest of the MBraille app works just fine. As for the 3rd party 
> keyboard, it will let me begin typing but I never know for how long. 
> Sometimes it's a few characters and sometimes I can get a few words. Suddenly 
> without warning it is gone, taking what I have written with it. I have no 
> idea why this keyboard seems to be incompatible with my SE! 
> 
> Ann 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> And, did you make sure it had full access in the keyboard settings?
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 9:19 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing
>> 
>> OK. I don't have an answer but will give it a little more thought for 
>> you if you can think about when it's crashed. In what apps were you 
>> working at the time? Were you trying to transfer information at that 
>> stage? Anything else you can say may help me, or others, to find an 
>> answer for you.
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers.
>> 
>> 
>> Carol P
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22/08/2016 11:26, SoonerAnnie wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I am having a problem with the MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing on my 
>>> iPhone SE. It does just fine on my 6S. I have uninstalled and reinstalled 
>>> it numerous times on the SE to no avail. I am running the latest version of 
>>> the MBraille app and the latest version of IOS. I have written to the 
>>> MBraille list but haven't heard anything from them yet. Just thought I'd 
>>> check to see if anyone here had any suggestions. Thanks in advance for any 
>>> help you may be able to give me! I'm not having any other crashes on my SE, 
>>> and the MBraille keyboard doesn't crash on my other phone. Hmmm.
>>> 
>>> Ann
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

[Richard Turner]

So, by restoring, you double checked in the settings, general, keyboard and 
made sure it had full access, right?

I just wanted to make sure you had actually checked the settings.

If you did and the settings are correct, then perhaps you need to talk directly 
with Apple Accessibility support.

I can only imagine how frustrating this is.

Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
SoonerAnnie
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 1:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing


Hi Richard and Carol, 

Thanks for getting back to me. Each time I reinstall the app, I go to shop and 
restore purchases, which gives me access to everything as I purchased the full 
package. And it restores with no problem. However, no matter what I'm 
doing...texting, writing a note, or working with email...the results are the 
same. The rest of the MBraille app works just fine. As for the 3rd party 
keyboard, it will let me begin typing but I never know for how long. Sometimes 
it's a few characters and sometimes I can get a few words. Suddenly without 
warning it is gone, taking what I have written with it. I have no idea why this 
keyboard seems to be incompatible with my SE! 

Ann 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 22, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> And, did you make sure it had full access in the keyboard settings?
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 9:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing
> 
> OK. I don't have an answer but will give it a little more thought for 
> you if you can think about when it's crashed. In what apps were you 
> working at the time? Were you trying to transfer information at that 
> stage? Anything else you can say may help me, or others, to find an 
> answer for you.
> 
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> 
> Carol P
> 
> 
> 
>> On 22/08/2016 11:26, SoonerAnnie wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am having a problem with the MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing on my 
>> iPhone SE. It does just fine on my 6S. I have uninstalled and reinstalled it 
>> numerous times on the SE to no avail. I am running the latest version of the 
>> MBraille app and the latest version of IOS. I have written to the MBraille 
>> list but haven't heard anything from them yet. Just thought I'd check to see 
>> if anyone here had any suggestions. Thanks in advance for any help you may 
>> be able to give me! I'm not having any other crashes on my SE, and the 
>> MBraille keyboard doesn't crash on my other phone. Hmmm.
>> 
>> Ann
>> 
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Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

[SoonerAnnie]

Hi Richard and Carol, 

Thanks for getting back to me. Each time I reinstall the app, I go to shop and 
restore purchases, which gives me access to everything as I purchased the full 
package. And it restores with no problem. However, no matter what I'm 
doing...texting, writing a note, or working with email...the results are the 
same. The rest of the MBraille app works just fine. As for the 3rd party 
keyboard, it will let me begin typing but I never know for how long. Sometimes 
it's a few characters and sometimes I can get a few words. Suddenly without 
warning it is gone, taking what I have written with it. I have no idea why this 
keyboard seems to be incompatible with my SE! 

Ann 

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> On Aug 22, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> And, did you make sure it had full access in the keyboard settings?
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 9:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing
> 
> OK. I don't have an answer but will give it a little more thought for 
> you if you can think about when it's crashed. In what apps were you 
> working at the time? Were you trying to transfer information at that 
> stage? Anything else you can say may help me, or others, to find an 
> answer for you.
> 
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> 
> Carol P
> 
> 
> 
>> On 22/08/2016 11:26, SoonerAnnie wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am having a problem with the MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing on my 
>> iPhone SE. It does just fine on my 6S. I have uninstalled and reinstalled it 
>> numerous times on the SE to no avail. I am running the latest version of the 
>> MBraille app and the latest version of IOS. I have written to the MBraille 
>> list but haven't heard anything from them yet. Just thought I'd check to see 
>> if anyone here had any suggestions. Thanks in advance for any help you may 
>> be able to give me! I'm not having any other crashes on my SE, and the 
>> MBraille keyboard doesn't crash on my other phone. Hmmm.
>> 
>> Ann
>> 
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RE: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

[Richard Turner]

And, did you make sure it had full access in the keyboard settings?

Richard


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From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 9:19 AM
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Subject: Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

OK. I don't have an answer but will give it a little more thought for 
you if you can think about when it's crashed. In what apps were you 
working at the time? Were you trying to transfer information at that 
stage? Anything else you can say may help me, or others, to find an 
answer for you.


Cheers.


Carol P



On 22/08/2016 11:26, SoonerAnnie wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am having a problem with the MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing on my 
> iPhone SE. It does just fine on my 6S. I have uninstalled and reinstalled it 
> numerous times on the SE to no avail. I am running the latest version of the 
> MBraille app and the latest version of IOS. I have written to the MBraille 
> list but haven't heard anything from them yet. Just thought I'd check to see 
> if anyone here had any suggestions. Thanks in advance for any help you may be 
> able to give me! I'm not having any other crashes on my SE, and the MBraille 
> keyboard doesn't crash on my other phone. Hmmm.
>
> Ann
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

OK. I don't have an answer but will give it a little more thought for 
you if you can think about when it's crashed. In what apps were you 
working at the time? Were you trying to transfer information at that 
stage? Anything else you can say may help me, or others, to find an 
answer for you.



Cheers.


Carol P



On 22/08/2016 11:26, SoonerAnnie wrote:

Hi all,

I am having a problem with the MBraille 3rd party keyboard crashing on my 
iPhone SE. It does just fine on my 6S. I have uninstalled and reinstalled it 
numerous times on the SE to no avail. I am running the latest version of the 
MBraille app and the latest version of IOS. I have written to the MBraille list 
but haven't heard anything from them yet. Just thought I'd check to see if 
anyone here had any suggestions. Thanks in advance for any help you may be able 
to give me! I'm not having any other crashes on my SE, and the MBraille 
keyboard doesn't crash on my other phone. Hmmm.

Ann

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Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Cheryl,

Glad that has helped a little.

I still find it a little too big for me so have to write a little slower 
than I'd like ...


I am wondering whether we'd be better to play on with piano mode. I'll 
do that and come back to you if I have anything positive to say.


Carol P

On 29/01/2016 00:06, Cheryl Lenartiene wrote:

Hi Carol,

Thank you so much for your suggestions! I have locked my phone in 
portrait orientation, and that has improved performance. However, my 
hands are small, and I have found that unless I keep my hands exactly 
centered on the phone, I don't hit all of the dots with all of my 
fingers. In other words, I could be hitting dot 2 with both my index 
and middle fingers, instead of dots one and two, because the 
rectangles for the dots are quite a bit larger on the 6S plus then on 
the 5C.. For this reason, I do find the native Braille screen input a 
little easier. The fact that I can calibrate the dots is a big help, 
because it accommodates my smaller fingers. I will keep practicing, 
though, and I will try holding my phone in the way you suggest. 
Hopefully it will help.



Cheryl
Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
HCSB

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 28, 2016, at 3:18 PM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> wrote:



Hi Cheryl,

I'm sending a copy of this to Harri, because I do believe there are 
buggy situations that need us to look more closely.


Harri may want to formulate some tasks for each of us to try out to 
help to squash (improve) this one. You certainly can mess things up 
quite easily ... so I just try to follow my pattern and for me it's 
OK, most of the time.


Read on for what I write in your circumstances, Cheryl:

I too find it more difficult to type on the 6S must my most 
comfortable position is to hold the phone with thumbs and little 
fingers on the edges, near to the corners. In this way you get to 
write with fingers a little more comfortably, I think. I also use the 
"away" mode exclusively as nothing else really works for me, though I 
play with others and can manage tabletop if I'm lying back in a 
chair.  I find piano just too close and, if you use edges of the 
sreen, to try to keep your fingers in order, this doesn't work well 
for me without any dots to guide and I don't have any on my 6S. 
Again, if one could indicate where you want to place the fingers, it 
may work a little better.


I also changed one of the new settings, which is for away" mode to 
ensure the home button stays on the right. In all other circumstances 
I work in locked portrait mode and don't alter it when using 
mBraille. I don't have a split screen.


I have been trying to carry out a few tests and, though I can't work 
out a pattern right now as I'm not well and struggling to write 
anything, I am nevertheless convinced that it does depend on which 
you load first and/or what you're writing into with mBraille as to 
the results you get.


Perhaps Harri may want to take a closer look at this.

For me, I'm happy enough, knowing I don't have a split screen 
(usually anyway) and, when things don't work right, I just take both 
apps out of the switcher and that's usually sufficient.


I hope this helps a bit.

Please return my receipt or come back to me to let me know you have 
both seen this as my desktop doesn't allow me to indicate (as with 
the phone) that I wish to see responses to certain threads.


Carol P


On 26/01/2016 21:44, Cheryl Lenartiene wrote:

Hi,
I am experiencing the same problem as Bret. I could swipe three 
fingers right, all the way across the phone, and MBraille inserts an 
underscore, no matter how quickly or slowly, or how long or short I 
swipe.I am proficient with VO Braille Screen Input, but I would love 
to use the MBraille keyboard for its powerful features. But the 
inability to dismiss the keyboard stands in my way.
 Also, ever since I upgraded from my iPhone 5C to a 6S Plus, most of 
what I write using the MBraille keyboard doesn't come out correctly. 
I use MBraille in Away Mode, and I suspect that my hands are just 
too small. The iOS Braille keyboard lets you calibrate the dot 
positions, and that's probably why I've had a lot more success using it.
Finally, the split screen view seems to interfere with MBraille. For 
example, I hold the phone in portrait orientation and double tap a 
text field to reply to an iMessage. I then activate the MBraille 
keyboard and rotate the phone to landscape mode, screen facing away 
from me. The MBraille keyboard is dismissed, as the phone switches 
to the split screen view with contacts on the left and conversations 
on the right.
If anyone has any suggestions to offer regarding any of these 
issues, I welcome them. I would love to use MBraille as a third 
party keyboard, and not just in its standalone form.

Thanks!


Cheryl
Rejoice always! Pray 

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Hi Cheryl,

I'm sending a copy of this to Harri, because I do believe there are 
buggy situations that need us to look more closely.


Harri may want to formulate some tasks for each of us to try out to help 
to squash (improve) this one. You certainly can mess things up quite 
easily ... so I just try to follow my pattern and for me it's OK, most 
of the time.


Read on for what I write in your circumstances, Cheryl:

I too find it more difficult to type on the 6S must my most comfortable 
position is to hold the phone with thumbs and little fingers on the 
edges, near to the corners. In this way you get to write with fingers a 
little more comfortably, I think. I also use the "away" mode exclusively 
as nothing else really works for me, though I play with others and can 
manage tabletop if I'm lying back in a chair.  I find piano just too 
close and, if you use edges of the sreen, to try to keep your fingers in 
order, this doesn't work well for me without any dots to guide and I 
don't have any on my 6S. Again, if one could indicate where you want to 
place the fingers, it may work a little better.


I also changed one of the new settings, which is for away" mode to 
ensure the home button stays on the right. In all other circumstances I 
work in locked portrait mode and don't alter it when using mBraille. I 
don't have a split screen.


I have been trying to carry out a few tests and, though I can't work out 
a pattern right now as I'm not well and struggling to write anything, I 
am nevertheless convinced that it does depend on which you load first 
and/or what you're writing into with mBraille as to the results you get.


Perhaps Harri may want to take a closer look at this.

For me, I'm happy enough, knowing I don't have a split screen (usually 
anyway) and, when things don't work right, I just take both apps out of 
the switcher and that's usually sufficient.


I hope this helps a bit.

Please return my receipt or come back to me to let me know you have both 
seen this as my desktop doesn't allow me to indicate (as with the phone) 
that I wish to see responses to certain threads.


Carol P


On 26/01/2016 21:44, Cheryl Lenartiene wrote:

Hi,
I am experiencing the same problem as Bret. I could swipe three 
fingers right, all the way across the phone, and MBraille inserts an 
underscore, no matter how quickly or slowly, or how long or short I 
swipe.I am proficient with VO Braille Screen Input, but I would love 
to use the MBraille keyboard for its powerful features. But the 
inability to dismiss the keyboard stands in my way.
 Also, ever since I upgraded from my iPhone 5C to a 6S Plus, most of 
what I write using the MBraille keyboard doesn't come out correctly. I 
use MBraille in Away Mode, and I suspect that my hands are just too 
small. The iOS Braille keyboard lets you calibrate the dot positions, 
and that's probably why I've had a lot more success using it.
Finally, the split screen view seems to interfere with MBraille. For 
example, I hold the phone in portrait orientation and double tap a 
text field to reply to an iMessage. I then activate the MBraille 
keyboard and rotate the phone to landscape mode, screen facing away 
from me. The MBraille keyboard is dismissed, as the phone switches to 
the split screen view with contacts on the left and conversations on 
the right.
If anyone has any suggestions to offer regarding any of these issues, 
I welcome them. I would love to use MBraille as a third party 
keyboard, and not just in its standalone form.

Thanks!


Cheryl
Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
HCSB

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 26, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Brett > wrote:


Wow! I am so glad your MBraille experience is different to mine. I 
bought it before iOS braille was introduced and as a standalone app 
it works well and does have more editing features than iOS braille, 
but as a third-party keyboard, it is the buggiest program I have 
purchased. There is absolutely no support from the author at all.


For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the MBraille keyboard 
never works. This is replicatable 100 percent of the time. Seriously, 
if your intrested in braille, learn to use the iOS keyboard and don't 
waist your money on purchasing bugs. I have received better support 
from apps that were free.


Cheers, Brett.


Sent from Brett's iPhone

On 26 Jan 2016, at 6:34 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone 
> wrote:


keep seeing a lot of flack on the mBraille list about  how flaky 
some of this is,  but I took to it and would prefer this method of
working  than any other. I haven't bought the feature you describe, 
but worked pretty well the last time I tried it,  which is a
hwile ago now.  But I'm still on their list and  I suppose there's 
no more flack there, than here about the rest of 

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Cheryl Lenartiene]

Hi Carol,

Thank you so much for your suggestions! I have locked my phone in portrait 
orientation, and that has improved performance. However, my hands are small, 
and I have found that unless I keep my hands exactly centered on the phone, I 
don't hit all of the dots with all of my fingers. In other words, I could be 
hitting dot 2 with both my index and middle fingers, instead of dots one and 
two, because the rectangles for the dots are quite a bit larger on the 6S plus 
then on the 5C.. For this reason, I do find the native Braille screen input a 
little easier. The fact that I can calibrate the dots is a big help, because it 
accommodates my smaller fingers. I will keep practicing, though, and I will try 
holding my phone in the way you suggest. Hopefully it will help.


Cheryl
Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
HCSB

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 28, 2016, at 3:18 PM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Cheryl,
> 
> I'm sending a copy of this to Harri, because I do believe there are buggy 
> situations that need us to look more closely.
> 
> Harri may want to formulate some tasks for each of us to try out to help to 
> squash (improve) this one. You certainly can mess things up quite easily ... 
> so I just try to follow my pattern and for me it's OK, most of the time.
> 
> Read on for what I write in your circumstances, Cheryl:
> 
> I too find it more difficult to type on the 6S must my most comfortable 
> position is to hold the phone with thumbs and little fingers on the edges, 
> near to the corners. In this way you get to write with fingers a little 
> more comfortably, I think. I also use the "away" mode exclusively as nothing 
> else really works for me, though I play with others and can manage tabletop 
> if I'm lying back in a chair.  I find piano just too close and, if you use 
> edges of the sreen, to try to keep your fingers in order, this doesn't work 
> well for me without any dots to guide and I don't have any on my 6S. Again, 
> if one could indicate where you want to place the fingers, it may work a 
> little better.
> 
> I also changed one of the new settings, which is for away" mode to ensure the 
> home button stays on the right. In all other circumstances I work in locked 
> portrait mode and don't alter it when using mBraille. I don't have a split 
> screen.
> 
> I have been trying to carry out a few tests and, though I can't work out a 
> pattern right now as I'm not well and struggling to write anything, I am 
> nevertheless convinced that it does depend on which you load first and/or 
> what you're writing into with mBraille as to the results you get.
> 
> Perhaps Harri may want to take a closer look at this.
> 
> For me, I'm happy enough, knowing I don't have a split screen (usually 
> anyway) and, when things don't work right, I just take both apps out of the 
> switcher and that's usually sufficient.
> 
> I hope this helps a bit.
> 
> Please return my receipt or come back to me to let me know you have both seen 
> this as my desktop doesn't allow me to indicate (as with the phone) that I 
> wish to see responses to certain threads.
> 
> Carol P
> 
> 
>> On 26/01/2016 21:44, Cheryl Lenartiene wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I am experiencing the same problem as Bret. I could swipe three fingers 
>> right, all the way across the phone, and MBraille inserts an underscore, no 
>> matter how quickly or slowly, or how long or short I swipe.I am proficient 
>> with VO Braille Screen Input, but I would love to use the MBraille 
>> keyboard for its powerful features. But the inability to dismiss the 
>> keyboard stands in my way.
>>  Also, ever since I upgraded from my iPhone 5C to a 6S Plus, most of what I 
>> write using the MBraille keyboard doesn't come out correctly. I use MBraille 
>> in Away Mode, and I suspect that my hands are just too small. The iOS 
>> Braille keyboard lets you calibrate the dot positions, and that's probably 
>> why I've had a lot more success using it.
>> Finally, the split screen view seems to interfere with MBraille. For 
>> example, I hold the phone in portrait orientation and double tap a text 
>> field to reply to an iMessage. I then activate the MBraille keyboard and 
>> rotate the phone to landscape mode, screen facing away from me. The MBraille 
>> keyboard is dismissed, as the phone switches to the split screen view with 
>> contacts on the left and conversations on the right.
>> If anyone has any suggestions to offer regarding any of these issues, I 
>> welcome them. I would love to use MBraille as a third party keyboard, and 
>> not just in its standalone form.
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>> Cheryl
>> Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
>> for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
>> 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
>> HCSB
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Brett 

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Cheryl Lenartiene]

Hi all,
I appreciate everyone's suggestions and ongoing detective work. I will try 
locking the orientation to see if that makes a difference.
I seem to remember that one of the advantages of the Plus phones, as well as 
the iPad, was that one could use Piano layout in landscape mode and still have 
access to part of the screen, which would be useful in sending iMessages and 
e-mails. In portrait orientation, the Piano layout takes up the full screen. I 
was hoping to be able to take advantage of this feature in landscape at some 
point, but for me, at least, there is a learning curve with the Piano layout, 
and I have precious little time these days. I try to keep up with demands and 
use whatever gets the job done in the most efficient manner at the moment.
I'll try to post in the next day or so with an update. Hopefully, others will 
find it helpful.


Cheryl
Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
HCSB

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 27, 2016, at 3:32 AM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I use MBraille since it was released and I'm also in the beta testing team.
> I tested the built-in keyboard some months ago when it was introduced and I 
> wasn't happy about it. It worked, than it didn't , than it again did and so 
> on. Finally, I removed the keyboard from Settings and continued to use it as 
> before.
> Yesterday I was reading here that keyboard has improoved and I re-enabled it 
> but aftera try or two I wasn't satisfied. First thing to happen was the new 
> message alert while I was typing the message. It completely blocked the 
> keyboard. After that I played a bit more and noticed the almost same issues 
> as it had before. If I dismiss it i got the conversation without an edit 
> field or if I switch keyboard to Apples virtual there's no input text.
> Regarding your problem, since I also use 6S Plus I can only recommend to lock 
> it in Portrait and to use fixed Away mode in MBraille, this way you won't 
> experience the split screens.
> Regarding everything else, I went back to MBraille as an app, I use copy 
> paste with Home button and dot commands to achieve texts and e-mails which is 
> more or less enough for my needs. If I need a quick reply to text or 
> something from the lock screen I use VO Braille Input and somehow I'm 
> succeeding in writing something on iPhone xD.
> P.S. You can't use MBraille KB from the lock screen, I tried it yesterday and 
> the MBraille is not in the Next Keyboard list while there.
> 
> S poštovanjem
> Gordan Radić
> 
>  
>  
> 26.1.2016. u 22:44, Cheryl Lenartiene je napisao/la:
>> Hi,
>> I am experiencing the same problem as Bret. I could swipe three fingers 
>> right, all the way across the phone, and MBraille inserts an underscore, no 
>> matter how quickly or slowly, or how long or short I swipe.I am proficient 
>> with VO Braille Screen Input, but I would love to use the MBraille 
>> keyboard for its powerful features. But the inability to dismiss the 
>> keyboard stands in my way.
>>  Also, ever since I upgraded from my iPhone 5C to a 6S Plus, most of what I 
>> write using the MBraille keyboard doesn't come out correctly. I use MBraille 
>> in Away Mode, and I suspect that my hands are just too small. The iOS 
>> Braille keyboard lets you calibrate the dot positions, and that's probably 
>> why I've had a lot more success using it.
>> Finally, the split screen view seems to interfere with MBraille. For 
>> example, I hold the phone in portrait orientation and double tap a text 
>> field to reply to an iMessage. I then activate the MBraille keyboard and 
>> rotate the phone to landscape mode, screen facing away from me. The MBraille 
>> keyboard is dismissed, as the phone switches to the split screen view with 
>> contacts on the left and conversations on the right.
>> If anyone has any suggestions to offer regarding any of these issues, I 
>> welcome them. I would love to use MBraille as a third party keyboard, and 
>> not just in its standalone form.
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>> Cheryl
>> Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
>> for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
>> 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
>> HCSB
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Brett  wrote:
>> 
>>> Wow! I am so glad your MBraille experience is different to mine. I bought 
>>> it before iOS braille was introduced and as a standalone app it works well 
>>> and does have more editing features than iOS braille, but as a third-party 
>>> keyboard, it is the buggiest program I have purchased. There is absolutely 
>>> no support from the author at all. 
>>> 
>>> For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the MBraille keyboard never 
>>> works. This is replicatable 100 percent of the time. Seriously, if your 
>>> intrested in braille, learn to use the iOS keyboard and don't waist 

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Hi!
I use MBraille since it was released and I'm also in the beta
testing team.
I tested the built-in keyboard some months ago when it was
introduced and I wasn't happy about it. It worked, than it didn't ,
than it again did and so on. Finally, I removed the keyboard from
Settings and continued to use it as before.
Yesterday I was reading here that keyboard has improoved and I
re-enabled it but aftera try or two I wasn't satisfied. First thing
to happen was the new message alert while I was typing the message.
It completely blocked the keyboard. After that I played a bit more
and noticed the almost same issues as it had before. If I dismiss it
i got the conversation without an edit field or if I switch keyboard
to Apples virtual there's no input text.
Regarding your problem, since I also use 6S Plus I can only
recommend to lock it in Portrait and to use fixed Away mode in
MBraille, this way you won't experience the split screens.
Regarding everything else, I went back to MBraille as an app, I use
copy paste with Home button and dot commands to achieve texts and
e-mails which is more or less enough for my needs. If I need a quick
reply to text or something from the lock screen I use VO Braille
Input and somehow I'm succeeding in writing something on iPhone xD.
P.S. You can't use MBraille KB from the lock screen, I tried it
yesterday and the MBraille is not in the Next Keyboard list while
there.


  S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
  

  

  

  

  
  

  
  

  

  


  


  

  

  

26.1.2016. u 22:44, Cheryl Lenartiene
  je napisao/la:


  
  Hi,
  I am experiencing the same problem as
Bret. I could swipe three fingers right, all the way across the
phone, and MBraille inserts an underscore, no matter how quickly
or slowly, or how long or short I swipe.I am proficient with VO
Braille Screen Input, but I would love to use the MBraille
keyboard for its powerful features. But the inability to dismiss
the keyboard stands in my way.
   Also, ever since I upgraded from my
iPhone 5C to a 6S Plus, most of what I write using the MBraille
keyboard doesn't come out correctly. I use MBraille in Away
Mode, and I suspect that my hands are just too small. The iOS
Braille keyboard lets you calibrate the dot positions, and
that's probably why I've had a lot more success using it.
  Finally, the split screen view seems
to interfere with MBraille. For example, I hold the phone in
portrait orientation and double tap a text field to reply to an
iMessage. I then activate the MBraille keyboard and rotate the
phone to landscape mode, screen facing away from me. The
MBraille keyboard is dismissed, as the phone switches to the
split screen view with contacts on the left and conversations on
the right.
  If anyone has any suggestions to
offer regarding any of these issues, I welcome them. I would
love to use MBraille as a third party keyboard, and not just in
its standalone form.
  Thanks!
  

  
Cheryl
Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
for
this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
1
Thessalonians 5:16-18
HCSB

  
Sent from my iPhone
  
  
On Jan 26, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Brett 
wrote:

  
  
Wow! I am so glad your MBraille experience is
different to mine. I bought it before iOS braille was
introduced and as a standalone app it works well and does
have more editing features than iOS braille, but as a
third-party keyboard, it is the buggiest program I have
purchased. There is absolutely no support from the author at
all. 
  
  For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the
MBraille keyboard never works. This is replicatable 100
percent of the time. Seriously, if your intrested in
braille, learn to use the iOS keyboard and don't waist your
money on purchasing bugs. I have received better support
from apps that were free. 
  
  Cheers, Brett. 
  
  
  Sent from Brett's iPhone
  
  On 26 Jan 2016, at 6:34 PM,
  'RobH.' via VIPhone 
  wrote:
  
  
  
  keep seeing a lot of 

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Hi!
Yes, both 6 Plus and 6S plus have split screen capability but I
almost never use it because I keep my phone locked in Portrait. I
get used to it with 4S and old habits die hard xD.


  S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
  

  

  

  

  
  

  
  

  

  


  


  

  

  

27.1.2016. u 3:21, Richard Turner je
  napisao/la:


  
  
  
  
First,
in the mBraille settings, try turning on tutor mode and make
sure you are hitting the right place on the screen for the
various dots.
 
Second,
The underscore means that you are essentially tapping with
three fingers instead of swiping.
I
tried really hard to duplicate what you are getting and the
only way I could is if I touched with three fingers and
lifted up as opposed to swiping with three fingers.
I
don’t know how to describe the difference exactly.  I think
of it as a glancing blow, or like I’m swiping crumbs off a
table.  I’ve never had any problems at all doing the gesture
to dismiss the keyboard.  I use an iPhone 6 and a 5s and
have never gotten an underscore accidentally.
I
have not had access to a 6s plus.  I didn’t know it had the
split screen view like iPads.
 
Can
you get it in the split screen view and then select the
mBraille keyboard?  Then, maybe it would look for a smaller
portion of the screen for the dots?
That
is just a wild guess.
 
Richard
 
 

  
From:
viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl
Lenartiene
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How
many use VO Braille Screen Input?
  

 

  Hi,


  I am experiencing the same problem as
Bret. I could swipe three fingers right, all the way across
the phone, and MBraille inserts an underscore, no matter how
quickly or slowly, or how long or short I swipe.I am
proficient with VO Braille Screen Input, but I would love to
use the MBraille keyboard for its powerful features. But the
inability to dismiss the keyboard stands in my way.


   Also, ever since I upgraded from my
iPhone 5C to a 6S Plus, most of what I write using the
MBraille keyboard doesn't come out correctly. I use MBraille
in Away Mode, and I suspect that my hands are just too
small. The iOS Braille keyboard lets you calibrate the dot
positions, and that's probably why I've had a lot more
success using it.


  Finally, the split screen view seems to
interfere with MBraille. For example, I hold the phone in
portrait orientation and double tap a text field to reply to
an iMessage. I then activate the MBraille keyboard and
rotate the phone to landscape mode, screen facing away from
me. The MBraille keyboard is dismissed, as the phone
switches to the split screen view with contacts on the left
and conversations on the right.


  If anyone has any suggestions to offer
regarding any of these issues, I welcome them. I would love
to use MBraille as a third party keyboard, and not just in
its standalone form.


  Thanks!


   
  


  
  
  
Cheryl
  
  
Rejoice
always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
  
  
for this is God's will for you in
  Christ Jesus.
  
  
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
  
  
HCSB
  
  


  
  
  
Sent
from my iPhone
  


  
On Jan 26, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Brett <brettst...@gmail.com>
wrote:


  
Wow! I am so glad your MBraille
  experience is different to mine. I 

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Hi!
I'm also on the MBraille list and I didn't see your posts there. Is
it actually working? Few weeks ago I posted something about Android
issues and Harri replied but I don't get messages from other members
except Thomas from Danmark.


  S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
  

  

  

  

  
  

  
  

  

  


  


  

  

  

27.1.2016. u 2:12, Brett je napisao/la:


  Hi, 

I haven't given up on it yet. I do want it to work because of its extra features, like being able to read what you have written without having to dispiss the keyboard. 

I am on the MBraille email list and have made Harry aware of the spellcheck feature not working in the thirdparty keyboard and the three fingger swipe right never dismissing the keyboard, but I have not received a helpbul reply from him. For me the issue of not being able to dismiss the keyboard has existed ever since the thirdparty keyboard became an option and has never been resolved. 

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the next update makes the app actually usable. 

Cheers, 
Brett. 


Sent from Brett's iPhone


  
On 27 Jan 2016, at 2:26 AM, Paul and Paula Jordan <pau...@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Hi Bret.  I'm sorry you've had a negative experience with the MBraille app.  I use it on a daily basis and love it.  There is a learning curve, but I've found that the more I work with it the more I like it.  I am on the MBraille email list and find that when I've had questions I get help and support from others.  The developer, Harry Pasaman, is also on the list and is very much in touch.  BTW, I probably spelled Harry's name incorrectly.) If you are an avid Braille user I encourage you to continue working with the app.
God bless!
Paula and Boston

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brett
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 2:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

Wow! I am so glad your MBraille experience is different to mine. I bought it before iOS braille was introduced and as a standalone app it works well and does have more editing features than iOS braille, but as a third-party keyboard, it is the buggiest program I have purchased. There is absolutely no support from the author at all. 

For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the MBraille keyboard never works. This is replicatable 100 percent of the time. Seriously, if your intrested in braille, learn to use the iOS keyboard and don't waist your money on purchasing bugs. I have received better support from apps that were free. 

Cheers, Brett. 


Sent from Brett's iPhone



  On 26 Jan 2016, at 6:34 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

keep seeing a lot of flack on the mBraille list about  how flaky some 
of this is,  but I took to it and would prefer this method of working  
than any other. I haven't bought the feature you describe, but worked pretty well the last time I tried it,  which is a hwile ago now.  But I'm still on their list and  I suppose there's no more flack there, than here about the rest of iOs.

R.
- Original Message -
From: "Arnold Schmidt" <arno...@mindspring.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:23 AM
Subject: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?


I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was released, 
so I have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple keyboard very well.  I find it to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, although that very well could be due to operator
incompetence.Also, it does not have the word processing ability of MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use the 
regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for me to use as those in MBraille.

A few months ago, I purchased the option to use MBraille as a 
third-party keyboard.  At the time, it didn't seem to work very well 
for me as a third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last 
weekend when, for some reason which I do not remember now, I decided 
to try it again.  I deleted that emogey  keyboard which I never used, 
and enabled MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  It works well. Now, 
when I am in a text field, I can tap the next keyboard button, and 
although the transition to MBraille is occasionally a bit flakey, more often than not, it goes right into MBraille.  I write my text, am enable to correct any errors or do any word processing I wish to do with MBraille. Then, I Place my fingers onto the keyboard as if I were going to write dots 4-5-6,

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Brett]

Hi, 

I first tried it to write this email, but couldn't dismiss the keyboard as 
usual, so had to close the mail app from the app switcher and had to write this 
using iOS braille. 

Cheers 
Brett. 

Sent from Brett's iPhone

> On 26 Jan 2016, at 8:31 PM, Arnold Schmidt <arno...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> 
> How recently have you tried it as a third-party keyboard?  If very recently, 
> then I regret your bad experience.  I, too, had thought I had wasted my money 
> on the third-party keyboard option, until I tried it again last weekend.  I 
> don't know what made the difference, an MBraille or IOS update, but it works 
> well now for me.  I am running it on an iPhone 6, with IOS 9.2.1. I do need 
> to learn more about the Apple braille keyboard, just to have another 
> alternative.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "Brett" <brettst...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 2:50 AM
> Subject: Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen 
> Input?
> 
> 
> Wow! I am so glad your MBraille experience is different to mine. I bought it 
> before iOS braille was introduced and as a standalone app it works well and 
> does have more editing features than iOS braille, but as a third-party 
> keyboard, it is the buggiest program I have purchased. There is absolutely no 
> support from the author at all.
> 
> For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the MBraille keyboard never 
> works. This is replicatable 100 percent of the time. Seriously, if your 
> intrested in braille, learn to use the iOS keyboard and don't waist your 
> money on purchasing bugs. I have received better support from apps that were 
> free.
> 
> Cheers, Brett.
> 
> 
> Sent from Brett's iPhone
> 
>> On 26 Jan 2016, at 6:34 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> keep seeing a lot of flack on the mBraille list about  how flaky some of 
>> this is,  but I took to it and would prefer this method of
>> working  than any other. I haven't bought the feature you describe, but 
>> worked pretty well the last time I tried it,  which is a
>> hwile ago now.  But I'm still on their list and  I suppose there's no more 
>> flack there, than here about the rest of iOs.
>> 
>> R.
>> - Original Message - From: "Arnold Schmidt" <arno...@mindspring.com>
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:23 AM
>> Subject: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
>> 
>> 
>> I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was released, so I 
>> have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple
>> keyboard very well.  I find it to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, 
>> although that very well could be due to operator
>> incompetence.Also, it does not have the word processing ability of 
>> MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use the
>> regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for me to use 
>> as those in MBraille.
>> 
>> A few months ago, I purchased the option to use MBraille as a third-party 
>> keyboard.  At the time, it didn't seem to work very well
>> for me as a third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last weekend 
>> when, for some reason which I do not remember now, I
>> decided to try it again.  I deleted that emogey  keyboard which I never 
>> used, and enabled MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  It
>> works well. Now, when I am in a text field, I can tap the next keyboard 
>> button, and although the transition to MBraille is
>> occasionally a bit flakey, more often than not, it goes right into MBraille. 
>>  I write my text, am enable to correct any errors or do
>> any word processing I wish to do with MBraille. Then, I Place my fingers 
>> onto the keyboard as if I were going to write dots 4-5-6,
>> and do a three-finger swipe right (being in landscape mode, I mean a 
>> three-finger swipe toward the home button.)  It then inserts my
>> text into the text field, and I am back in the regular keyboard.  No more 
>> copying and pasting.
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> - Original Message -  From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, I do use both the MBraille and the Apple supplied on-board keyboard. I 
>> love MBraille a lot, in fact most days. I think it is
>> more accurate than the Apple on-board keyboard. Maybe, though,

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Arnold Schmidt]

How recently have you tried it as a third-party keyboard?  If very recently, 
then I regret your bad experience.  I, too, had thought I had wasted my 
money on the third-party keyboard option, until I tried it again last 
weekend.  I don't know what made the difference, an MBraille or IOS update, 
but it works well now for me.  I am running it on an iPhone 6, with IOS 
9.2.1. I do need to learn more about the Apple braille keyboard, just to 
have another alternative.


Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - 
From: "Brett" <brettst...@gmail.com>

To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen 
Input?



Wow! I am so glad your MBraille experience is different to mine. I bought it 
before iOS braille was introduced and as a standalone app it works well and 
does have more editing features than iOS braille, but as a third-party 
keyboard, it is the buggiest program I have purchased. There is absolutely 
no support from the author at all.


For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the MBraille keyboard never 
works. This is replicatable 100 percent of the time. Seriously, if your 
intrested in braille, learn to use the iOS keyboard and don't waist your 
money on purchasing bugs. I have received better support from apps that were 
free.


Cheers, Brett.


Sent from Brett's iPhone

On 26 Jan 2016, at 6:34 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
wrote:


keep seeing a lot of flack on the mBraille list about  how flaky some of 
this is,  but I took to it and would prefer this method of
working  than any other. I haven't bought the feature you describe, but 
worked pretty well the last time I tried it,  which is a
hwile ago now.  But I'm still on their list and  I suppose there's no more 
flack there, than here about the rest of iOs.


R.
- Original Message - 
From: "Arnold Schmidt" <arno...@mindspring.com>

To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:23 AM
Subject: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen 
Input?



I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was released, so 
I have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple
keyboard very well.  I find it to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, 
although that very well could be due to operator
incompetence.Also, it does not have the word processing ability of 
MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use the
regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for me to 
use as those in MBraille.


A few months ago, I purchased the option to use MBraille as a third-party 
keyboard.  At the time, it didn't seem to work very well
for me as a third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last weekend 
when, for some reason which I do not remember now, I
decided to try it again.  I deleted that emogey  keyboard which I never 
used, and enabled MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  It
works well. Now, when I am in a text field, I can tap the next keyboard 
button, and although the transition to MBraille is
occasionally a bit flakey, more often than not, it goes right into 
MBraille.  I write my text, am enable to correct any errors or do
any word processing I wish to do with MBraille. Then, I Place my fingers 
onto the keyboard as if I were going to write dots 4-5-6,
and do a three-finger swipe right (being in landscape mode, I mean a 
three-finger swipe toward the home button.)  It then inserts my
text into the text field, and I am back in the regular keyboard.  No more 
copying and pasting.


Arnold Schmidt
 - Original Message - 
 From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone

 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:59 AM
 Subject: Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?


 Yes, I do use both the MBraille and the Apple supplied on-board keyboard. 
I love MBraille a lot, in fact most days. I think it is
more accurate than the Apple on-board keyboard. Maybe, though, that is a 
user perspective and the errors could be mine!


 I am not too keen on using it as an extra keyboard, because it's a bit 
tricky to use it in this way, because of the other
keyboards that are already installed. I wish it could be on the rotor! 
Anyway, I quite often use the old method too, so I can open
the app and then cut and paste accordingly, because in some ways it is 
easier and I like it better! What I do like is to have proper
key clicks when typing. I'm afraid this is one of the disappointments of 
the Braille app by Apple which you can include on the
rotor. By the way, I use the "away mode" " because it's the only thing 
that really works for me. I can't imagine becoming proficient

with anything other than this.

 If you have any further questions, do come back. I hope this is helpful! 
Carol P

 Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

 On 25 Jan 2016, at 3:37 pm, Tim Emmons <temmo...@gmail

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Richard Turner]

That is quite the puzzle.
Have you tried locking the orientation?
I hope you can get it sorted out.
It is a fabulous app.
Richard



> On Jan 26, 2016, at 8:47 PM, Cheryl Lenartiene <cheryl.lenarti...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard,
> I appreciate your suggestions. I am a very experienced iPhone user, and I 
> don't have any trouble with swiping or scrolling, except when it comes to 
> dismissing the MBraille keyboard. I also don't have trouble typing in 
> MBraille proper. My issues are only with the third party keyboard 
> functionality. I've done all the usual troubleshooting steps, making sure the 
> keyboard was enabled and full access was on, reinstalling the app, cycling 
> power, and so on. Like Brett, I've had trouble dismissing the keyboard since 
> the feature was first introduced. However, my keyboard input problems just 
> started with the 6S Plus. Although I had trouble dismissing the keyboard on 
> my 5C, I could at least type with it.
> I appreciate the suggestion of dealing with the split screen. However, as 
> soon as I manipulate the phone even slightly to get into position to type, 
> the iPhone alternates between split screen and normal view, and the keyboard 
> is dismissed. So still stumped on this one.
> 
> 
> Cheryl
> Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
> for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
> 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
> HCSB
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:21 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> First, in the mBraille settings, try turning on tutor mode and make sure you 
>> are hitting the right place on the screen for the various dots.
>>  
>> Second, The underscore means that you are essentially tapping with three 
>> fingers instead of swiping.
>> I tried really hard to duplicate what you are getting and the only way I 
>> could is if I touched with three fingers and lifted up as opposed to swiping 
>> with three fingers.
>> I don’t know how to describe the difference exactly.  I think of it as a 
>> glancing blow, or like I’m swiping crumbs off a table.  I’ve never had any 
>> problems at all doing the gesture to dismiss the keyboard.  I use an iPhone 
>> 6 and a 5s and have never gotten an underscore accidentally.
>> I have not had access to a 6s plus.  I didn’t know it had the split screen 
>> view like iPads.
>>  
>> Can you get it in the split screen view and then select the mBraille 
>> keyboard?  Then, maybe it would look for a smaller portion of the screen for 
>> the dots?
>> That is just a wild guess.
>>  
>> Richard
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Cheryl Lenartiene
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:44 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen 
>> Input?
>>  
>> Hi,
>> I am experiencing the same problem as Bret. I could swipe three fingers 
>> right, all the way across the phone, and MBraille inserts an underscore, no 
>> matter how quickly or slowly, or how long or short I swipe.I am proficient 
>> with VO Braille Screen Input, but I would love to use the MBraille keyboard 
>> for its powerful features. But the inability to dismiss the keyboard stands 
>> in my way.
>>  Also, ever since I upgraded from my iPhone 5C to a 6S Plus, most of what I 
>> write using the MBraille keyboard doesn't come out correctly. I use MBraille 
>> in Away Mode, and I suspect that my hands are just too small. The iOS 
>> Braille keyboard lets you calibrate the dot positions, and that's probably 
>> why I've had a lot more success using it.
>> Finally, the split screen view seems to interfere with MBraille. For 
>> example, I hold the phone in portrait orientation and double tap a text 
>> field to reply to an iMessage. I then activate the MBraille keyboard and 
>> rotate the phone to landscape mode, screen facing away from me. The MBraille 
>> keyboard is dismissed, as the phone switches to the split screen view with 
>> contacts on the left and conversations on the right.
>> If anyone has any suggestions to offer regarding any of these issues, I 
>> welcome them. I would love to use MBraille as a third party keyboard, and 
>> not just in its standalone form.
>> Thanks!
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Cheryl
>> Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
>> for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
>> 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
>> HCSB
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

I am not quite sure where your problem lies either but am trying things out 
here since I'm now puzzled about your settings also as I'm using a 6 s with the 
Dird Party keyboard enabled and all options have "Yes"
I'm not giving up though and will remember to come back to you if I think I may 
have found you a solution. I agree, it's the best way to braille, when things 
are working properly, with the most options available.  I'm not giving up 
though and will remember to come back to you if I think I may have found you a 
solution! Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 27 Jan 2016, at 4:52 am, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:


That is quite the puzzle.
Have you tried locking the orientation?
I hope you can get it sorted out.
It is a fabulous app.
Richard



> On Jan 26, 2016, at 8:47 PM, Cheryl Lenartiene <cheryl.lenarti...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard,
> I appreciate your suggestions. I am a very experienced iPhone user, and I 
> don't have any trouble with swiping or scrolling, except when it comes to 
> dismissing the MBraille keyboard. I also don't have trouble typing in 
> MBraille proper. My issues are only with the third party keyboard 
> functionality. I've done all the usual troubleshooting steps, making sure the 
> keyboard was enabled and full access was on, reinstalling the app, cycling 
> power, and so on. Like Brett, I've had trouble dismissing the keyboard since 
> the feature was first introduced. However, my keyboard input problems just 
> started with the 6S Plus. Although I had trouble dismissing the keyboard on 
> my 5C, I could at least type with it.
> I appreciate the suggestion of dealing with the split screen. However, as 
> soon as I manipulate the phone even slightly to get into position to type, 
> the iPhone alternates between split screen and normal view, and the keyboard 
> is dismissed. So still stumped on this one.
> 
> 
> Cheryl
> Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
> for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
> 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
> HCSB
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:21 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> First, in the mBraille settings, try turning on tutor mode and make sure you 
>> are hitting the right place on the screen for the various dots.
>>  
>> Second, The underscore means that you are essentially tapping with three 
>> fingers instead of swiping.
>> I tried really hard to duplicate what you are getting and the only way I 
>> could is if I touched with three fingers and lifted up as opposed to swiping 
>> with three fingers.
>> I don’t know how to describe the difference exactly.  I think of it as a 
>> glancing blow, or like I’m swiping crumbs off a table.  I’ve never had any 
>> problems at all doing the gesture to dismiss the keyboard.  I use an iPhone 
>> 6 and a 5s and have never gotten an underscore accidentally.
>> I have not had access to a 6s plus.  I didn’t know it had the split screen 
>> view like iPads.
>>  
>> Can you get it in the split screen view and then select the mBraille 
>> keyboard?  Then, maybe it would look for a smaller portion of the screen for 
>> the dots?
>> That is just a wild guess.
>>  
>> Richard
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Cheryl Lenartiene
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:44 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen 
>> Input?
>>  
>> Hi,
>> I am experiencing the same problem as Bret. I could swipe three fingers 
>> right, all the way across the phone, and MBraille inserts an underscore, no 
>> matter how quickly or slowly, or how long or short I swipe.I am proficient 
>> with VO Braille Screen Input, but I would love to use the MBraille keyboard 
>> for its powerful features. But the inability to dismiss the keyboard stands 
>> in my way.
>>  Also, ever since I upgraded from my iPhone 5C to a 6S Plus, most of what I 
>> write using the MBraille keyboard doesn't come out correctly. I use MBraille 
>> in Away Mode, and I suspect that my hands are just too small. The iOS 
>> Braille keyboard lets you calibrate the dot positions, and that's probably 
>> why I've had a lot more success using it.
>> Finally, the split screen view seems to interfere with MBraille. For 
>> example, I hold the phone in portrait orientation and double tap a text 
>> field to reply to an iMessage. I then activate the MBraille keyboard and 
>> rotate the phone to landscape mode, screen facin

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Cheryl Lenartiene]

Hi Richard,
I appreciate your suggestions. I am a very experienced iPhone user, and I don't 
have any trouble with swiping or scrolling, except when it comes to dismissing 
the MBraille keyboard. I also don't have trouble typing in MBraille proper. My 
issues are only with the third party keyboard functionality. I've done all the 
usual troubleshooting steps, making sure the keyboard was enabled and full 
access was on, reinstalling the app, cycling power, and so on. Like Brett, I've 
had trouble dismissing the keyboard since the feature was first introduced. 
However, my keyboard input problems just started with the 6S Plus. Although I 
had trouble dismissing the keyboard on my 5C, I could at least type with it.
I appreciate the suggestion of dealing with the split screen. However, as soon 
as I manipulate the phone even slightly to get into position to type, the 
iPhone alternates between split screen and normal view, and the keyboard is 
dismissed. So still stumped on this one.


Cheryl
Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
HCSB

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:21 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> First, in the mBraille settings, try turning on tutor mode and make sure you 
> are hitting the right place on the screen for the various dots.
>  
> Second, The underscore means that you are essentially tapping with three 
> fingers instead of swiping.
> I tried really hard to duplicate what you are getting and the only way I 
> could is if I touched with three fingers and lifted up as opposed to swiping 
> with three fingers.
> I don’t know how to describe the difference exactly.  I think of it as a 
> glancing blow, or like I’m swiping crumbs off a table.  I’ve never had any 
> problems at all doing the gesture to dismiss the keyboard.  I use an iPhone 6 
> and a 5s and have never gotten an underscore accidentally.
> I have not had access to a 6s plus.  I didn’t know it had the split screen 
> view like iPads.
>  
> Can you get it in the split screen view and then select the mBraille 
> keyboard?  Then, maybe it would look for a smaller portion of the screen for 
> the dots?
> That is just a wild guess.
>  
> Richard
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Cheryl Lenartiene
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen 
> Input?
>  
> Hi,
> I am experiencing the same problem as Bret. I could swipe three fingers 
> right, all the way across the phone, and MBraille inserts an underscore, no 
> matter how quickly or slowly, or how long or short I swipe.I am proficient 
> with VO Braille Screen Input, but I would love to use the MBraille keyboard 
> for its powerful features. But the inability to dismiss the keyboard stands 
> in my way.
>  Also, ever since I upgraded from my iPhone 5C to a 6S Plus, most of what I 
> write using the MBraille keyboard doesn't come out correctly. I use MBraille 
> in Away Mode, and I suspect that my hands are just too small. The iOS Braille 
> keyboard lets you calibrate the dot positions, and that's probably why I've 
> had a lot more success using it.
> Finally, the split screen view seems to interfere with MBraille. For example, 
> I hold the phone in portrait orientation and double tap a text field to reply 
> to an iMessage. I then activate the MBraille keyboard and rotate the phone to 
> landscape mode, screen facing away from me. The MBraille keyboard is 
> dismissed, as the phone switches to the split screen view with contacts on 
> the left and conversations on the right.
> If anyone has any suggestions to offer regarding any of these issues, I 
> welcome them. I would love to use MBraille as a third party keyboard, and not 
> just in its standalone form.
> Thanks!
>  
> 
> 
> Cheryl
> Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
> for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
> 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
> HCSB
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 26, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Brett <brettst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Wow! I am so glad your MBraille experience is different to mine. I bought it 
> before iOS braille was introduced and as a standalone app it works well and 
> does have more editing features than iOS braille, but as a third-party 
> keyboard, it is the buggiest program I have purchased. There is absolutely no 
> support from the author at all. 
> 
> For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the MBraille keyboard never 
> works. This is replicatable 100 percent of the time. Seriously, if your 
> intrested in brail

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
Agreed.
VO Braille Input is good for acasional use but MBraille is the
thing.


  S poštovanjem
Gordan Radić
  

  

  

  

  
  

  
  

  

  


  


  

  

  

26.1.2016. u 2:25, Richard Turner je
  napisao/la:


  
  
  
  I too prefer mBraille over the Apple
braille keyboard.
  It is worth the price and time to
learn given all it can do.
  Richard
  

Sent from my iPod
  
On Jan 25, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Arnold Schmidt 
wrote:

  
  

  
  
  
  I already had MBraille before
  the Apple Braille keyboard was released, so I have not
  taken the time to learn to use the Apple keyboard very
  well.  I find it to be not quite as refined as is
  MBraille, although that very well could be due to operator
  incompetence.    Also, it does not have the word
  processing ability of MBraille.  If I want to edit
  anything, I have to use the regular Apple keyboard editing
  features, which are not as easy for me to use as those in
  MBraille.  
   
  A few months ago, I purchased
  the option to use MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  At
  the time, it didn't seem to work very well for me as a
  third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last
  weekend when, for some reason which I do not remember now,
  I decided to try it again.  I deleted that emogey 
  keyboard which I never used, and enabled MBraille as a
  third-party keyboard.  It works well. Now, when I am in a
  text field, I can tap the next keyboard button, and
  although the transition to MBraille is occasionally a bit
  flakey, more often than not, it goes right into MBraille. 
  I write my text, am enable to correct any errors or do any
  word processing I wish to do with MBraille. Then, I Place
  my fingers onto the keyboard as if I were going to write
  dots 4-5-6, and do a three-finger swipe right (being in
  landscape mode, I mean a three-finger swipe toward the
  home button.)  It then inserts my text into the text
  field, and I am back in the regular keyboard.  No more
  copying and pasting.
   
  Arnold Schmidt  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 'Carol Pearson'
via VIPhone 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Monday, January
  25, 2016 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: How many
  use VO Braille Screen Input?




  Yes, I do use both the MBraille and the Apple
supplied on-board keyboard. I love MBraille a lot, in
fact most days. I think it is more accurate than the
Apple on-board keyboard. Maybe, though, that is a user
perspective and the errors could be mine!

I am not too keen on using it as an extra keyboard,
because it's a bit tricky to use it in this way, because
of the other keyboards that are already installed. I
wish it could be on the rotor! Anyway, I quite often use
the old method too, so I can open the app and then cut
and paste accordingly, because in some ways it is easier
and I like it better! What I do like is to have proper
key clicks when typing. I'm afraid this is one of the
disappointments of the Braille app by Apple which you
can include on the rotor. By the way, I use the "away
mode" " because it's the only thing that really works
for me. I can't imagine becoming proficient with
anything other than this. 
  
If you have any further questions, do come back. I hope
this is helpful! Carol P
  
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
  
  
On 25 Jan 2016, at 3:37 pm, Tim Emmons 
wrote:

  
  o, landscape, away mode, orientation locked.
  six dot. On both iPad and IPhone. I tried to find an
  alternative to that input for the Kindle Fire I got

RE: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

Hi Bret.  I'm sorry you've had a negative experience with the MBraille app.  I 
use it on a daily basis and love it.  There is a learning curve, but I've found 
that the more I work with it the more I like it.  I am on the MBraille email 
list and find that when I've had questions I get help and support from others.  
The developer, Harry Pasaman, is also on the list and is very much in touch.  
BTW, I probably spelled Harry's name incorrectly.) If you are an avid Braille 
user I encourage you to continue working with the app.
God bless!
Paula and Boston

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Brett
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 2:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

Wow! I am so glad your MBraille experience is different to mine. I bought it 
before iOS braille was introduced and as a standalone app it works well and 
does have more editing features than iOS braille, but as a third-party 
keyboard, it is the buggiest program I have purchased. There is absolutely no 
support from the author at all. 

For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the MBraille keyboard never 
works. This is replicatable 100 percent of the time. Seriously, if your 
intrested in braille, learn to use the iOS keyboard and don't waist your money 
on purchasing bugs. I have received better support from apps that were free. 

Cheers, Brett. 


Sent from Brett's iPhone

> On 26 Jan 2016, at 6:34 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> keep seeing a lot of flack on the mBraille list about  how flaky some 
> of this is,  but I took to it and would prefer this method of working  
> than any other. I haven't bought the feature you describe, but worked pretty 
> well the last time I tried it,  which is a hwile ago now.  But I'm still on 
> their list and  I suppose there's no more flack there, than here about the 
> rest of iOs.
> 
> R.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Arnold Schmidt" <arno...@mindspring.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:23 AM
> Subject: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
> 
> 
> I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was released, 
> so I have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple keyboard very well.  I 
> find it to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, although that very well 
> could be due to operator
> incompetence.Also, it does not have the word processing ability of 
> MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use the 
> regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for me to use 
> as those in MBraille.
> 
> A few months ago, I purchased the option to use MBraille as a 
> third-party keyboard.  At the time, it didn't seem to work very well 
> for me as a third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last 
> weekend when, for some reason which I do not remember now, I decided 
> to try it again.  I deleted that emogey  keyboard which I never used, 
> and enabled MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  It works well. Now, 
> when I am in a text field, I can tap the next keyboard button, and 
> although the transition to MBraille is occasionally a bit flakey, more often 
> than not, it goes right into MBraille.  I write my text, am enable to correct 
> any errors or do any word processing I wish to do with MBraille. Then, I 
> Place my fingers onto the keyboard as if I were going to write dots 4-5-6, 
> and do a three-finger swipe right (being in landscape mode, I mean a 
> three-finger swipe toward the home button.)  It then inserts my text into the 
> text field, and I am back in the regular keyboard.  No more copying and 
> pasting.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
>  - Original Message -
>  From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
>  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>  Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:59 AM
>  Subject: Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
> 
> 
>  Yes, I do use both the MBraille and the Apple supplied on-board 
> keyboard. I love MBraille a lot, in fact most days. I think it is more 
> accurate than the Apple on-board keyboard. Maybe, though, that is a user 
> perspective and the errors could be mine!
> 
>  I am not too keen on using it as an extra keyboard, because it's a 
> bit tricky to use it in this way, because of the other keyboards that 
> are already installed. I wish it could be on the rotor! Anyway, I 
> quite often use the old method too, so I can open the app and then cut 
> and paste accordingly, because in some ways it is easier and I like it 
> better! What I do like is to have proper key clicks when typing. I'm afraid 
> this is one of the disappointments of the

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Cheryl Lenartiene]

Hi,
I am experiencing the same problem as Bret. I could swipe three fingers right, 
all the way across the phone, and MBraille inserts an underscore, no matter how 
quickly or slowly, or how long or short I swipe.I am proficient with VO Braille 
Screen Input, but I would love to use the MBraille keyboard for its powerful 
features. But the inability to dismiss the keyboard stands in my way.
 Also, ever since I upgraded from my iPhone 5C to a 6S Plus, most of what I 
write using the MBraille keyboard doesn't come out correctly. I use MBraille in 
Away Mode, and I suspect that my hands are just too small. The iOS Braille 
keyboard lets you calibrate the dot positions, and that's probably why I've had 
a lot more success using it.
Finally, the split screen view seems to interfere with MBraille. For example, I 
hold the phone in portrait orientation and double tap a text field to reply to 
an iMessage. I then activate the MBraille keyboard and rotate the phone to 
landscape mode, screen facing away from me. The MBraille keyboard is dismissed, 
as the phone switches to the split screen view with contacts on the left and 
conversations on the right.
If anyone has any suggestions to offer regarding any of these issues, I welcome 
them. I would love to use MBraille as a third party keyboard, and not just in 
its standalone form.
Thanks!


Cheryl
Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,
for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
HCSB

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 26, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Brett  wrote:
> 
> Wow! I am so glad your MBraille experience is different to mine. I bought it 
> before iOS braille was introduced and as a standalone app it works well and 
> does have more editing features than iOS braille, but as a third-party 
> keyboard, it is the buggiest program I have purchased. There is absolutely no 
> support from the author at all. 
> 
> For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the MBraille keyboard never 
> works. This is replicatable 100 percent of the time. Seriously, if your 
> intrested in braille, learn to use the iOS keyboard and don't waist your 
> money on purchasing bugs. I have received better support from apps that were 
> free. 
> 
> Cheers, Brett. 
> 
> 
> Sent from Brett's iPhone
> 
>> On 26 Jan 2016, at 6:34 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> keep seeing a lot of flack on the mBraille list about  how flaky some of 
>> this is,  but I took to it and would prefer this method of 
>> working  than any other. I haven't bought the feature you describe, but 
>> worked pretty well the last time I tried it,  which is a 
>> hwile ago now.  But I'm still on their list and  I suppose there's no more 
>> flack there, than here about the rest of iOs.
>> 
>> R.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Arnold Schmidt" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:23 AM
>> Subject: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
>> 
>> 
>> I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was released, so I 
>> have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple 
>> keyboard very well.  I find it to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, 
>> although that very well could be due to operator 
>> incompetence.Also, it does not have the word processing ability of 
>> MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use the 
>> regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for me to use 
>> as those in MBraille.
>> 
>> A few months ago, I purchased the option to use MBraille as a third-party 
>> keyboard.  At the time, it didn't seem to work very well 
>> for me as a third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last weekend 
>> when, for some reason which I do not remember now, I 
>> decided to try it again.  I deleted that emogey  keyboard which I never 
>> used, and enabled MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  It 
>> works well. Now, when I am in a text field, I can tap the next keyboard 
>> button, and although the transition to MBraille is 
>> occasionally a bit flakey, more often than not, it goes right into MBraille. 
>>  I write my text, am enable to correct any errors or do 
>> any word processing I wish to do with MBraille. Then, I Place my fingers 
>> onto the keyboard as if I were going to write dots 4-5-6, 
>> and do a three-finger swipe right (being in landscape mode, I mean a 
>> three-finger swipe toward the home button.)  It then inserts my 
>> text into the text field, and I am back in the regular keyboard.  No more 
>> copying and pasting.
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, I do use both the MBraille and the Apple supplied on-board keyboard. I 
>> love MBraille a lot, in fact most 

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Brett]

Hi, 

I haven't given up on it yet. I do want it to work because of its extra 
features, like being able to read what you have written without having to 
dispiss the keyboard. 

I am on the MBraille email list and have made Harry aware of the spellcheck 
feature not working in the thirdparty keyboard and the three fingger swipe 
right never dismissing the keyboard, but I have not received a helpbul reply 
from him. For me the issue of not being able to dismiss the keyboard has 
existed ever since the thirdparty keyboard became an option and has never been 
resolved. 

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the next update makes the app actually 
usable. 

Cheers, 
Brett. 


Sent from Brett's iPhone

> On 27 Jan 2016, at 2:26 AM, Paul and Paula Jordan <pau...@roadrunner.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bret.  I'm sorry you've had a negative experience with the MBraille app.  
> I use it on a daily basis and love it.  There is a learning curve, but I've 
> found that the more I work with it the more I like it.  I am on the MBraille 
> email list and find that when I've had questions I get help and support from 
> others.  The developer, Harry Pasaman, is also on the list and is very much 
> in touch.  BTW, I probably spelled Harry's name incorrectly.) If you are an 
> avid Braille user I encourage you to continue working with the app.
> God bless!
> Paula and Boston
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Brett
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 2:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen 
> Input?
> 
> Wow! I am so glad your MBraille experience is different to mine. I bought it 
> before iOS braille was introduced and as a standalone app it works well and 
> does have more editing features than iOS braille, but as a third-party 
> keyboard, it is the buggiest program I have purchased. There is absolutely no 
> support from the author at all. 
> 
> For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the MBraille keyboard never 
> works. This is replicatable 100 percent of the time. Seriously, if your 
> intrested in braille, learn to use the iOS keyboard and don't waist your 
> money on purchasing bugs. I have received better support from apps that were 
> free. 
> 
> Cheers, Brett. 
> 
> 
> Sent from Brett's iPhone
> 
>> On 26 Jan 2016, at 6:34 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> keep seeing a lot of flack on the mBraille list about  how flaky some 
>> of this is,  but I took to it and would prefer this method of working  
>> than any other. I haven't bought the feature you describe, but worked pretty 
>> well the last time I tried it,  which is a hwile ago now.  But I'm still on 
>> their list and  I suppose there's no more flack there, than here about the 
>> rest of iOs.
>> 
>> R.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Arnold Schmidt" <arno...@mindspring.com>
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:23 AM
>> Subject: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
>> 
>> 
>> I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was released, 
>> so I have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple keyboard very well.  
>> I find it to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, although that very well 
>> could be due to operator
>> incompetence.Also, it does not have the word processing ability of 
>> MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use the 
>> regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for me to use 
>> as those in MBraille.
>> 
>> A few months ago, I purchased the option to use MBraille as a 
>> third-party keyboard.  At the time, it didn't seem to work very well 
>> for me as a third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last 
>> weekend when, for some reason which I do not remember now, I decided 
>> to try it again.  I deleted that emogey  keyboard which I never used, 
>> and enabled MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  It works well. Now, 
>> when I am in a text field, I can tap the next keyboard button, and 
>> although the transition to MBraille is occasionally a bit flakey, more often 
>> than not, it goes right into MBraille.  I write my text, am enable to 
>> correct any errors or do any word processing I wish to do with MBraille. 
>> Then, I Place my fingers onto the keyboard as if I were going to write dots 
>> 4-5-6, and do a three-finger swipe right (being in landscape mode, I mean a 
>> three-finger swipe toward the home button.)  It then inserts my 

RE: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Richard Turner]

First, in the mBraille settings, try turning on tutor mode and make sure you 
are hitting the right place on the screen for the various dots.

 

Second, The underscore means that you are essentially tapping with three 
fingers instead of swiping.

I tried really hard to duplicate what you are getting and the only way I could 
is if I touched with three fingers and lifted up as opposed to swiping with 
three fingers.

I don’t know how to describe the difference exactly.  I think of it as a 
glancing blow, or like I’m swiping crumbs off a table.  I’ve never had any 
problems at all doing the gesture to dismiss the keyboard.  I use an iPhone 6 
and a 5s and have never gotten an underscore accidentally.

I have not had access to a 6s plus.  I didn’t know it had the split screen view 
like iPads.

 

Can you get it in the split screen view and then select the mBraille keyboard?  
Then, maybe it would look for a smaller portion of the screen for the dots?

That is just a wild guess.

 

Richard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheryl Lenartiene
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 1:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

 

Hi,

I am experiencing the same problem as Bret. I could swipe three fingers right, 
all the way across the phone, and MBraille inserts an underscore, no matter how 
quickly or slowly, or how long or short I swipe.I am proficient with VO Braille 
Screen Input, but I would love to use the MBraille keyboard for its powerful 
features. But the inability to dismiss the keyboard stands in my way.

 Also, ever since I upgraded from my iPhone 5C to a 6S Plus, most of what I 
write using the MBraille keyboard doesn't come out correctly. I use MBraille in 
Away Mode, and I suspect that my hands are just too small. The iOS Braille 
keyboard lets you calibrate the dot positions, and that's probably why I've had 
a lot more success using it.

Finally, the split screen view seems to interfere with MBraille. For example, I 
hold the phone in portrait orientation and double tap a text field to reply to 
an iMessage. I then activate the MBraille keyboard and rotate the phone to 
landscape mode, screen facing away from me. The MBraille keyboard is dismissed, 
as the phone switches to the split screen view with contacts on the left and 
conversations on the right.

If anyone has any suggestions to offer regarding any of these issues, I welcome 
them. I would love to use MBraille as a third party keyboard, and not just in 
its standalone form.

Thanks!

 





Cheryl

Rejoice always! Pray continually. Give thanks in everything,

for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.

1 Thessalonians 5:16-18

HCSB





Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 26, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Brett <brettst...@gmail.com 
<mailto:brettst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Wow! I am so glad your MBraille experience is different to mine. I bought it 
before iOS braille was introduced and as a standalone app it works well and 
does have more editing features than iOS braille, but as a third-party 
keyboard, it is the buggiest program I have purchased. There is absolutely no 
support from the author at all. 

For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the MBraille keyboard never 
works. This is replicatable 100 percent of the time. Seriously, if your 
intrested in braille, learn to use the iOS keyboard and don't waist your money 
on purchasing bugs. I have received better support from apps that were free. 

Cheers, Brett. 


Sent from Brett's iPhone




On 26 Jan 2016, at 6:34 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

 

keep seeing a lot of flack on the mBraille list about  how flaky some of this 
is,  but I took to it and would prefer this method of 

working  than any other. I haven't bought the feature you describe, but worked 
pretty well the last time I tried it,  which is a 

hwile ago now.  But I'm still on their list and  I suppose there's no more 
flack there, than here about the rest of iOs.

 

R.

- Original Message - 

From: "Arnold Schmidt" <arno...@mindspring.com <mailto:arno...@mindspring.com> >

To: <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >

Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:23 AM

Subject: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

 

 

I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was released, so I 
have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple 

keyboard very well.  I find it to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, 
although that very well could be due to operator 

incompetence.Also, it does not have the word processing ability of 
MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use the 

regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for me to use as 
those in MBraille.

 

A few months ago, I purch

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Brett]

Wow! I am so glad your MBraille experience is different to mine. I bought it 
before iOS braille was introduced and as a standalone app it works well and 
does have more editing features than iOS braille, but as a third-party 
keyboard, it is the buggiest program I have purchased. There is absolutely no 
support from the author at all. 

For me the three finger swipe right to dismiss the MBraille keyboard never 
works. This is replicatable 100 percent of the time. Seriously, if your 
intrested in braille, learn to use the iOS keyboard and don't waist your money 
on purchasing bugs. I have received better support from apps that were free. 

Cheers, Brett. 


Sent from Brett's iPhone

> On 26 Jan 2016, at 6:34 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
> wrote:
> 
> keep seeing a lot of flack on the mBraille list about  how flaky some of this 
> is,  but I took to it and would prefer this method of 
> working  than any other. I haven't bought the feature you describe, but 
> worked pretty well the last time I tried it,  which is a 
> hwile ago now.  But I'm still on their list and  I suppose there's no more 
> flack there, than here about the rest of iOs.
> 
> R.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Arnold Schmidt" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:23 AM
> Subject: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
> 
> 
> I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was released, so I 
> have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple 
> keyboard very well.  I find it to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, 
> although that very well could be due to operator 
> incompetence.Also, it does not have the word processing ability of 
> MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use the 
> regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for me to use 
> as those in MBraille.
> 
> A few months ago, I purchased the option to use MBraille as a third-party 
> keyboard.  At the time, it didn't seem to work very well 
> for me as a third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last weekend 
> when, for some reason which I do not remember now, I 
> decided to try it again.  I deleted that emogey  keyboard which I never used, 
> and enabled MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  It 
> works well. Now, when I am in a text field, I can tap the next keyboard 
> button, and although the transition to MBraille is 
> occasionally a bit flakey, more often than not, it goes right into MBraille.  
> I write my text, am enable to correct any errors or do 
> any word processing I wish to do with MBraille. Then, I Place my fingers onto 
> the keyboard as if I were going to write dots 4-5-6, 
> and do a three-finger swipe right (being in landscape mode, I mean a 
> three-finger swipe toward the home button.)  It then inserts my 
> text into the text field, and I am back in the regular keyboard.  No more 
> copying and pasting.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
>  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>  Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:59 AM
>  Subject: Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
> 
> 
>  Yes, I do use both the MBraille and the Apple supplied on-board keyboard. I 
> love MBraille a lot, in fact most days. I think it is 
> more accurate than the Apple on-board keyboard. Maybe, though, that is a user 
> perspective and the errors could be mine!
> 
>  I am not too keen on using it as an extra keyboard, because it's a bit 
> tricky to use it in this way, because of the other 
> keyboards that are already installed. I wish it could be on the rotor! 
> Anyway, I quite often use the old method too, so I can open 
> the app and then cut and paste accordingly, because in some ways it is easier 
> and I like it better! What I do like is to have proper 
> key clicks when typing. I'm afraid this is one of the disappointments of the 
> Braille app by Apple which you can include on the 
> rotor. By the way, I use the "away mode" " because it's the only thing that 
> really works for me. I can't imagine becoming proficient 
> with anything other than this.
> 
>  If you have any further questions, do come back. I hope this is helpful! 
> Carol P
>  Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
> 
>  On 25 Jan 2016, at 3:37 pm, Tim Emmons  wrote:
> 
> 
>  o, landscape, away mode, orientation locked. six dot. On both iPad and 
> IPhone. I tried to find an alternative to that input for 
> the Kindle Fire I got for Christmas and haven’t had anything come close to 
> IOS’s braille input. I love it and it’s an invaluable 
> tool for me on a daily basis, that’s for sure.
> 
>On Jan 25, 2016, at 1:23 AM, Rajmund  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>Hello,
> 
>uncontracted, table top, UEB.
> 
> 
> 
>- Original Message -
> 
>From: Kevin Chao  
> 
>To: viphone
> 
>

Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

 keep seeing a lot of flack on the mBraille list about  how flaky some of this 
is,  but I took to it and would prefer this method of 
working  than any other. I haven't bought the feature you describe, but worked 
pretty well the last time I tried it,  which is a 
hwile ago now.  But I'm still on their list and  I suppose there's no more 
flack there, than here about the rest of iOs.

R.
- Original Message - 
From: "Arnold Schmidt" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:23 AM
Subject: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?


I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was released, so I 
have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple 
keyboard very well.  I find it to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, 
although that very well could be due to operator 
incompetence.Also, it does not have the word processing ability of 
MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use the 
regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for me to use as 
those in MBraille.

A few months ago, I purchased the option to use MBraille as a third-party 
keyboard.  At the time, it didn't seem to work very well 
for me as a third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last weekend when, 
for some reason which I do not remember now, I 
decided to try it again.  I deleted that emogey  keyboard which I never used, 
and enabled MBraille as a third-party keyboard.  It 
works well. Now, when I am in a text field, I can tap the next keyboard button, 
and although the transition to MBraille is 
occasionally a bit flakey, more often than not, it goes right into MBraille.  I 
write my text, am enable to correct any errors or do 
any word processing I wish to do with MBraille. Then, I Place my fingers onto 
the keyboard as if I were going to write dots 4-5-6, 
and do a three-finger swipe right (being in landscape mode, I mean a 
three-finger swipe toward the home button.)  It then inserts my 
text into the text field, and I am back in the regular keyboard.  No more 
copying and pasting.

Arnold Schmidt
  - Original Message - 
  From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:59 AM
  Subject: Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?


  Yes, I do use both the MBraille and the Apple supplied on-board keyboard. I 
love MBraille a lot, in fact most days. I think it is 
more accurate than the Apple on-board keyboard. Maybe, though, that is a user 
perspective and the errors could be mine!

  I am not too keen on using it as an extra keyboard, because it's a bit tricky 
to use it in this way, because of the other 
keyboards that are already installed. I wish it could be on the rotor! Anyway, 
I quite often use the old method too, so I can open 
the app and then cut and paste accordingly, because in some ways it is easier 
and I like it better! What I do like is to have proper 
key clicks when typing. I'm afraid this is one of the disappointments of the 
Braille app by Apple which you can include on the 
rotor. By the way, I use the "away mode" " because it's the only thing that 
really works for me. I can't imagine becoming proficient 
with anything other than this.

  If you have any further questions, do come back. I hope this is helpful! 
Carol P
  Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

  On 25 Jan 2016, at 3:37 pm, Tim Emmons  wrote:


  o, landscape, away mode, orientation locked. six dot. On both iPad and 
IPhone. I tried to find an alternative to that input for 
the Kindle Fire I got for Christmas and haven’t had anything come close to 
IOS’s braille input. I love it and it’s an invaluable 
tool for me on a daily basis, that’s for sure.

On Jan 25, 2016, at 1:23 AM, Rajmund  wrote:



Hello,

uncontracted, table top, UEB.



- Original Message -

From: Kevin Chao  

To: viphone

Date: Sunday, January 24, 2016 11:35 pm

Subject: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?







  Out of curiosity, how many use VO Braille screen input, and in which 
mode/orientation (screen away or table top)?



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Re: MBraille Suggestion, was Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?

[Richard Turner]

I too prefer mBraille over the Apple braille keyboard.
It is worth the price and time to learn given all it can do.
Richard


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> On Jan 25, 2016, at 4:25 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I already had MBraille before the Apple Braille keyboard was released, so I 
> have not taken the time to learn to use the Apple keyboard very well.  I find 
> it to be not quite as refined as is MBraille, although that very well could 
> be due to operator incompetence.Also, it does not have the word 
> processing ability of MBraille.  If I want to edit anything, I have to use 
> the regular Apple keyboard editing features, which are not as easy for me to 
> use as those in MBraille. 
>  
> A few months ago, I purchased the option to use MBraille as a third-party 
> keyboard.  At the time, it didn't seem to work very well for me as a 
> third-party keyboard, so I forgot about it until last weekend when, for some 
> reason which I do not remember now, I decided to try it again.  I deleted 
> that emogey  keyboard which I never used, and enabled MBraille as a 
> third-party keyboard.  It works well. Now, when I am in a text field, I can 
> tap the next keyboard button, and although the transition to MBraille is 
> occasionally a bit flakey, more often than not, it goes right into MBraille.  
> I write my text, am enable to correct any errors or do any word processing I 
> wish to do with MBraille. Then, I Place my fingers onto the keyboard as if I 
> were going to write dots 4-5-6, and do a three-finger swipe right (being in 
> landscape mode, I mean a three-finger swipe toward the home button.)  It then 
> inserts my text into the text field, and I am back in the regular keyboard.  
> No more copying and pasting.
>  
> Arnold Schmidt 
> - Original Message -
> From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:59 AM
> Subject: Re: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
> 
> Yes, I do use both the MBraille and the Apple supplied on-board keyboard. I 
> love MBraille a lot, in fact most days. I think it is more accurate than the 
> Apple on-board keyboard. Maybe, though, that is a user perspective and the 
> errors could be mine!
> 
> I am not too keen on using it as an extra keyboard, because it's a bit tricky 
> to use it in this way, because of the other keyboards that are already 
> installed. I wish it could be on the rotor! Anyway, I quite often use the old 
> method too, so I can open the app and then cut and paste accordingly, because 
> in some ways it is easier and I like it better! What I do like is to have 
> proper key clicks when typing. I'm afraid this is one of the disappointments 
> of the Braille app by Apple which you can include on the rotor. By the way, I 
> use the "away mode" " because it's the only thing that really works for me. I 
> can't imagine becoming proficient with anything other than this. 
> 
> If you have any further questions, do come back. I hope this is helpful! 
> Carol P
> Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
> 
> On 25 Jan 2016, at 3:37 pm, Tim Emmons  wrote:
> 
> o, landscape, away mode, orientation locked. six dot. On both iPad and 
> IPhone. I tried to find an alternative to that input for the Kindle Fire I 
> got for Christmas and haven’t had anything come close to IOS’s braille input. 
> I love it and it’s an invaluable tool for me on a daily basis, that’s for 
> sure. 
>>> On Jan 25, 2016, at 1:23 AM, Rajmund  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> uncontracted, table top, UEB.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Kevin Chao  
>> To: viphone
>> Date: Sunday, January 24, 2016 11:35 pm
>> Subject: How many use VO Braille Screen Input?
>>> Out of curiosity, how many use VO Braille screen input, and in which 
>>> mode/orientation (screen away or table top)?
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Re: Mbraille questions

[Gordan Radić]

  
  
If I remember well, Document pack is a separate purchase from the KB
pack.
If you bought all packs than just activate the MBraille Kb from
Settins, General, Keyboard.


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27.12.2015. u 22:35, Brandi Penton je
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Hi. Does the full version include the third party keyboard and this document package? What is the document package? What does it include? I bought the full version and now the option to buy the other packages is gone. Does that mean I already have them? I guess what I want to know is if I only were to have bought this documents package for $16, would that have sufficed. Should I have bought that and not the whole full version? Hope my questions make sense. Thank you so much for reading

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Re: Mbraille questions

[Devin Prater]

Oh, you're talking about mBraille? The documents package is kind of like a note 
taker mode. The full version includes every feature possible to be unlocked.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 27, 2015, at 3:35 PM, Brandi Penton  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi. Does the full version include the third party keyboard and this document 
> package? What is the document package? What does it include? I bought the 
> full version and now the option to buy the other packages is gone. Does that 
> mean I already have them? I guess what I want to know is if I only were to 
> have bought this documents package for $16, would that have sufficed. Should 
> I have bought that and not the whole full version? Hope my questions make 
> sense. Thank you so much for reading
> 
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Re: MBraille questions

[christopher hallsworth]

You can, at least with the .fb dot command. The .fb post dot command may not 
work though. These are due to changes in the Facebook API that is preventing 
third party clients from integrating with Facebook.
 On 6 Jun 2015, at 00:47, jennie.fa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 From what I understand, you cat post to Facebook with mBraille anymore. Not 
 sure why, but I heard it is a Facebook problem. 
 
 
 Jenn  . . 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:58 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi there,
 So i took the plunge and bought the MBraille app and now have a couple of 
 simple newby questions. Let me first say that alas the manual as it is 
 translated into Swedish is somewhat hard to understand at times hense my 
 first question: How do i actually edit in MBraille? There are key commands 
 to do that, however i didn’t get heads nor tails of how to do it.
 Secondly when i try to post to facebook with the dot command for facebook, 
 it seems a new post opens in FB but the edit field is blank, nothing gets 
 posted there. What obvious thing am i missing here? What should i do to post 
 to Facebook?
 Thanks for reading this.
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Re: MBraille questions

[jennie . facer]

From what I understand, you cat post to Facebook with mBraille anymore. Not 
sure why, but I heard it is a Facebook problem. 


Jenn  . . 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:58 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Hi there,
 So i took the plunge and bought the MBraille app and now have a couple of 
 simple newby questions. Let me first say that alas the manual as it is 
 translated into Swedish is somewhat hard to understand at times hense my 
 first question: How do i actually edit in MBraille? There are key commands to 
 do that, however i didn’t get heads nor tails of how to do it.
 Secondly when i try to post to facebook with the dot command for facebook, it 
 seems a new post opens in FB but the edit field is blank, nothing gets posted 
 there. What obvious thing am i missing here? What should i do to post to 
 Facebook?
 Thanks for reading this.
 /Krister
 
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Re: MBraille questions

[Richard Turner]

Hi Krister,
To edit, make sure in settings you have the option to move the cursor while 
previewing text set to on.
Then, hold a finger in the dot 3 position.
Flick up or down with another finger to change the unit between, characters, 
words, sentences, lines, and paragraphs.
Once you have the unit you wish to move by, keep holding on dot 3, and flick 
left or right with that other finger and you will move forward or backward by 
that amount.
Once you have gotten where you want to be, Lift your finger off dot 3 and flick 
left with two fingers to delete one word at a time, or with one finger to 
delete one character at a time. I hope that helps.
I don't use FaceBook so I can't help you there.
Richard




 On Jun 5, 2015, at 6:58 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Hi there,
 So i took the plunge and bought the MBraille app and now have a couple of 
 simple newby questions. Let me first say that alas the manual as it is 
 translated into Swedish is somewhat hard to understand at times hense my 
 first question: How do i actually edit in MBraille? There are key commands to 
 do that, however i didn’t get heads nor tails of how to do it.
 Secondly when i try to post to facebook with the dot command for facebook, it 
 seems a new post opens in FB but the edit field is blank, nothing gets posted 
 there. What obvious thing am i missing here? What should i do to post to 
 Facebook?
 Thanks for reading this.
 /Krister
 
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Re: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

[Christopher Chaltain]

Maybe, but you did say we all have the right to comment on the price, 
and I'm just saying, although you have that right, that doesn't mean I 
care what you or anyone else thinks about the price of an app.


Besides, although your message was the last in the thread, I wasn't 
necessarily replying to you directly. If you read the thread, you will 
see that the comment is made that the app is overpriced.


On 06/01/2015 08:29 PM, Brett wrote:


So if you read my original message, according to your comments below, you have 
nothing to complain about.

Cheers,
Brett.

Sent from Brett's iPhone


On 2 Jun 2015, at 10:03 am, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

True, people can comment on the price of an app all they want, but for me, 
whether it's a main stream app or a blindness specific app, I'm not interested 
in whether others think it's over priced or not. No one else's situation is the 
same as mine. If people want to compare it to other apps and talk about what 
you get for your money with these different options then I'm interested, but I 
just don't find any value in hearing people talk about whether they think an 
app is overpriced or not or whether they can afford it themselves or not.


On 06/01/2015 04:44 PM, Brett wrote:

Hi Ron,

Nor do I, and I don't understand why people always feel the need to jump
on their highhorse when ever someone discusses a blindness specific app.

Someone asked a question about it and unlike you I tried to contribute
something useful to the conversation, which may help them make an
informed choice.

Yes, the app developer has the right to set his own pricing, but once he
makes it public, we all have the right to comment on it. This also
occurs with mainstream apps, so are you saying that because this is a
blindness specific app, it should be treated differently.

Yes, I do have the KNFB app and find it worth the cost, as currently
there is nothing as accurate or especially as quick.

Cheers,
Brett.


Sent from Brett's iPhone

On 2 Jun 2015, at 3:57 am, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca
mailto:ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote:


Hi *Brett,*

**

As you so well explained, people have choices.  If they want the
MBraille, it’s a choice and those who want it and can afford it do buy
it like you did.  Those of us who can’t afford it don’t buy it and
have free options.  That’s the best situation possible.  I don’t think
a developer has to work for very little just because some of us can’t
afford the product.  A person evaluates his/her product, decide how
much they want to charge for it and, those of us who want pay for it
and those of us who can’t afford it have choices.  I don’t believe in
stating that an app is over-priced.  It is what it is and we can buy
it or leave it.  The KNFB app is a lot more expensive and those of us
who wanted it paid for it and are using it.  Those of who couldn’t
afford it are using some of the very good free ones and that’s life.

I am one of these blind people who doesn’t think that people have to
work for us for nothing or almost nothing just because.  I do
understand that many of us are unemployed but that is not the
developpers problem, its ours to deal with.

Just an opinion

Ron  Danvers

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett
*Sent:* Monday, June 01, 2015 6:30 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille
as a third-party keyboard

Hi,

Here is just my opinion.

I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I
think the third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a
bit. Given that other third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and
there was no initial purchase price. The other third-party keyboards
include word prediction and spell checking in most cases, which
MBraille doesn’t.

There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard:

1.You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. With
iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the
message. You then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard.

2.If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate
to it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you
don’t have direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable
direct input yet.

3.When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I
have found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the
period, do a space to enter the period, delete the space then write
the com bit. You don’t have to muck around like this with MBraille. If
someone knows of a way to do this with iOS braille, please let me know.

**

*Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth
the extra money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it,
so I gave it a go to satisfy my curiosity. I don’t regret

Re: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

[Richard Turner]

Krister,
Feel free to ask about the situations you are interested in.
I, and certainly lots of others, will be glad to addresss your questions.
Of course, ultimately, the only way to find out how it works in practice is to 
buy it.
But, I'll be glad to try to answer your questions.
Richard




 On Jun 1, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. I 
 only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives that 
 were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but then 
 again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the 
 shortcuts to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to 
 purchasing it or if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. I 
 would be curious though to find out how mBraille works in certain situations.
 /Krister
 
 1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com:
 
 Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues 
 with the price.
 On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few 
 things and dropped the early products.
 I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app 
 has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, 
 though some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers.
 He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to 
 do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than 
 expected.
 But, it works well in most cases.
 I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when creating or 
 replying to text messages just fine.
 Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you have to buy 
 the third party keyboard for,  $9.99 or buy both the third party keyboard 
 and Dropbox accessibility for $14.99.
 Now, there are only two pricing options beyond the free version.
 You can buy just the third party keyboard for $9.99 or the Full Version 
 for $39.99 which includes dropbox and third party keyboard capability.
 Sory I only know the US prices.
 Could Harri have done the amount of work he did to make this app and charged 
 less? I have no idea.
 I'm not a programmer and have no idea how many hours it takes to do what he 
 has done.
 But, I do know that from the first release, he has out performed any other 
 attempt at a braille entry system.
 JMO,
 Richard
  
 
 
 
 On Jun 1, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi, I think that A, the program is over priced but we can’t do much about 
 it since we are a small market so guess we’ll have to be satisfied with it 
 or not purchase it. B, the price table is very vague. I don’t know what i 
 get for the amount i paid, at least i got very confused when it came to 
 what i got for the price. There’s a full price but then, do you have to pay 
 more in order to get the third party keyboard support?
 /Krister
 
 31 maj 2015 kl. 23:19 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com:
 
 Yes it is.
  
 Are you using the Away mode layout?
  
 When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear mBraille spoken 
 and then be able to start writing.
  
 Maybe you could say which device and what mode, etc.
 Do you have direct input on or off?
  
 Richard
  
  
 The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but 
 what they become by it.
 
 - John Ruskin
 
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Michelle McQuigge
 Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:26 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
  
 Richard, 
  
 I purchased what was advertised as the full mBraille program yesterday. It 
 cost about $45 Canadian and definitely includes dropbox support. At that 
 price, surely third-party keyboard permissions are included too? 
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Richard Turner
 Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
  
 If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3.
 If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at 
 $29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both 
 Dropbox and third party keyboard support.
 It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have 
 tried it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with 
 a three finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just 
 dismiss the keyboard with the three finger swipe left.
 Richard
  
 
 On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge 
 michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all, 
 I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use 
 mBraille as a third-party keyboard

Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

[Richard Turner]

Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues with 
the price.
On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few 
things and dropped the early products.
I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app has 
a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, though 
some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers.
He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to do 
it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than expected.
But, it works well in most cases.
I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when creating or 
replying to text messages just fine.
Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you have to buy the 
third party keyboard for,  $9.99 or buy both the third party keyboard and 
Dropbox accessibility for $14.99.
Now, there are only two pricing options beyond the free version.
You can buy just the third party keyboard for $9.99 or the Full Version for 
$39.99 which includes dropbox and third party keyboard capability.
Sory I only know the US prices.
Could Harri have done the amount of work he did to make this app and charged 
less? I have no idea.
I'm not a programmer and have no idea how many hours it takes to do what he has 
done.
But, I do know that from the first release, he has out performed any other 
attempt at a braille entry system.
JMO,
Richard
 



 On Jun 1, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Hi, I think that A, the program is over priced but we can’t do much about it 
 since we are a small market so guess we’ll have to be satisfied with it or 
 not purchase it. B, the price table is very vague. I don’t know what i get 
 for the amount i paid, at least i got very confused when it came to what i 
 got for the price. There’s a full price but then, do you have to pay more in 
 order to get the third party keyboard support?
 /Krister
 
 31 maj 2015 kl. 23:19 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com:
 
 Yes it is.
  
 Are you using the Away mode layout?
  
 When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear mBraille spoken 
 and then be able to start writing.
  
 Maybe you could say which device and what mode, etc.
 Do you have direct input on or off?
  
 Richard
  
  
 The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but 
 what they become by it.
 
 - John Ruskin
 
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Michelle McQuigge
 Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:26 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
  
 Richard, 
  
 I purchased what was advertised as the full mBraille program yesterday. It 
 cost about $45 Canadian and definitely includes dropbox support. At that 
 price, surely third-party keyboard permissions are included too? 
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Richard Turner
 Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
  
 If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3.
 If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at 
 $29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both 
 Dropbox and third party keyboard support.
 It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have 
 tried it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with a 
 three finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just 
 dismiss the keyboard with the three finger swipe left.
 Richard
  
 
 On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge 
 michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all, 
 I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use 
 mBraille as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an 
 iPhone 6 and have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the 
 app. 
 
 I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I 
 access functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in 
 order to reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, 
 basically nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter 
 what I do. It clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down what 
 should be the dot 3 and swiping right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the 
 dots. The only button I can find is, mercifully, the one to return to my 
 primary keyboard. If I open mBraille and then select messages, though, then 
 everything works as expected. 
 
 Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but are we not supposed to be able to summon 
 mBraille functionality from within whatever app we choose now as opposed to 
 going through mBraille itself first? 
 
 If anyone has an idea to either correct something I'm doing wrong

RE: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

[Brett]

Hi, 

 

Here is just my opinion. 

 

I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I think the 
third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a bit. Given that other 
third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and there was no initial purchase 
price. The other third-party keyboards include word prediction and spell 
checking in most cases, which MBraille doesn’t.

 

There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard:

1.   You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. With 
iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the message. You 
then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard.

2.   If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate to 
it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you don’t have 
direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable direct input yet. 

3.   When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I have 
found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the period, do a space 
to enter the period, delete the space then write the com bit. You don’t have to 
muck around like this with MBraille. If someone knows of a way to do this with 
iOS braille, please let me know. 

 

Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth the extra 
money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it, so I gave it a go to 
satisfy my curiosity. I don’t regret it, but still think its overpriced as you 
do loose some MBraille features in the third-party keyboard. For Example, spell 
checking is not available and if you don’t want to put mBraille first in line 
in your keyboard list, you need to switch to it every time you want to use it 
and it is much easier and faster to bring up the iOS braille keyboard than the 
MBraille one. 

 

Just my opinion, hopefully it helps you to make an informed decision.

 

Cheers,

Brett.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Krister Ekstrom
Sent: Monday, 1 June 2015 7:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a 
third-party keyboard

 

Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. I 
only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives that 
were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but then 
again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the shortcuts 
to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to purchasing it or 
if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. I would be curious 
though to find out how mBraille works in certain situations.

/Krister

 

1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com 
mailto:rich...@turner42.com :

 

Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues with 
the price.

On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few 
things and dropped the early products.

I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app has 
a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, though 
some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers.

He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to do 
it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than expected.

But, it works well in most cases.

I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when creating or 
replying to text messages just fine.

Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you have to buy the 
third party keyboard for,  $9.99 or buy both the third party keyboard and 
Dropbox accessibility for $14.99.

Now, there are only two pricing options beyond the free version.

You can buy just the third party keyboard for $9.99 or the Full Version for 
$39.99 which includes dropbox and third party keyboard capability.

Sory I only know the US prices.

Could Harri have done the amount of work he did to make this app and charged 
less? I have no idea.

I'm not a programmer and have no idea how many hours it takes to do what he has 
done.

But, I do know that from the first release, he has out performed any other 
attempt at a braille entry system.

JMO,

Richard

 




On Jun 1, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com 
mailto:kris...@kristersplace.com  wrote:

Hi, I think that A, the program is over priced but we can’t do much about it 
since we are a small market so guess we’ll have to be satisfied with it or not 
purchase it. B, the price table is very vague. I don’t know what i get for the 
amount i paid, at least i got very confused when it came to what i got for the 
price. There’s a full price but then, do you have to pay more in order to get 
the third party keyboard support?

/Krister

 

31 maj 2015 kl. 23:19 skrev Richard Turner rich

Re: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

[Cheryl Lenartiene]

In the native iOS Braille input, to write a period in the middle of a string of 
characters, such as an e-mail address, type dot 4 followed by dots 4 6.
Cheryl  

Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances;
for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 1, 2015, at 6:29 AM, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
  
 Here is just my opinion.
  
 I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I think 
 the third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a bit. Given that 
 other third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and there was no initial 
 purchase price. The other third-party keyboards include word prediction and 
 spell checking in most cases, which MBraille doesn’t.
  
 There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard:
 1.   You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. With 
 iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the message. 
 You then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard.
 2.   If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate 
 to it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you don’t 
 have direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable direct input 
 yet.
 3.   When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I 
 have found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the period, do 
 a space to enter the period, delete the space then write the com bit. You 
 don’t have to muck around like this with MBraille. If someone knows of a way 
 to do this with iOS braille, please let me know.
  
 Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth the extra 
 money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it, so I gave it a go 
 to satisfy my curiosity. I don’t regret it, but still think its overpriced as 
 you do loose some MBraille features in the third-party keyboard. For Example, 
 spell checking is not available and if you don’t want to put mBraille first 
 in line in your keyboard list, you need to switch to it every time you want 
 to use it and it is much easier and faster to bring up the iOS braille 
 keyboard than the MBraille one. 
  
 Just my opinion, hopefully it helps you to make an informed decision.
  
 Cheers,
 Brett.
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Krister Ekstrom
 Sent: Monday, 1 June 2015 7:26 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a 
 third-party keyboard
  
 Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. I 
 only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives that 
 were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but then 
 again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the 
 shortcuts to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to 
 purchasing it or if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. I 
 would be curious though to find out how mBraille works in certain situations.
 /Krister
  
 1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com:
  
 Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues 
 with the price.
 On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few 
 things and dropped the early products.
 I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app 
 has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, 
 though some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers.
 He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to 
 do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than 
 expected.
 But, it works well in most cases.
 I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when creating or 
 replying to text messages just fine.
 Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you have to buy 
 the third party keyboard for,  $9.99 or buy both the third party keyboard and 
 Dropbox accessibility for $14.99.
 Now, there are only two pricing options beyond the free version.
 You can buy just the third party keyboard for $9.99 or the Full Version for 
 $39.99 which includes dropbox and third party keyboard capability.
 Sory I only know the US prices.
 Could Harri have done the amount of work he did to make this app and charged 
 less? I have no idea.
 I'm not a programmer and have no idea how many hours it takes to do what he 
 has done.
 But, I do know that from the first release, he has out performed any other 
 attempt at a braille entry system.
 JMO,
 Richard
  
 
 
 
 On Jun 1, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Hi, I think that A, the program is over priced but we can’t do much about it 
 since we are a small market so guess we’ll have

RE: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

[Ron Pelletier]

Hi Brett,

 

As you so well explained, people have choices.  If they want the MBraille, it’s 
a choice and those who want it and can afford it do buy it like you did.  Those 
of us who can’t afford it don’t buy it and have free options.  That’s the best 
situation possible.  I don’t think a developer has to work for very little just 
because some of us can’t afford the product.  A person evaluates his/her 
product, decide how much they want to charge for it and, those of us who want 
pay for it and those of us who can’t afford it have choices.  I don’t believe 
in stating that an app is over-priced.  It is what it is and we can buy it or 
leave it.  The KNFB app is a lot more expensive and those of us who wanted it 
paid for it and are using it.  Those of who couldn’t afford it are using some 
of the very good free ones and that’s life.

 

I am one of these blind people who doesn’t think that people have to work for 
us for nothing or almost nothing just because.  I do understand that many of us 
are unemployed but that is not the developpers problem, its ours to deal with.

 

Just an opinion

 

Ron  Danvers

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Brett
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 6:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a 
third-party keyboard

 

Hi, 

 

Here is just my opinion. 

 

I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I think the 
third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a bit. Given that other 
third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and there was no initial purchase 
price. The other third-party keyboards include word prediction and spell 
checking in most cases, which MBraille doesn’t.

 

There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard:

1.   You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. With 
iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the message. You 
then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard.

2.   If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate to 
it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you don’t have 
direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable direct input yet. 

3.   When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I have 
found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the period, do a space 
to enter the period, delete the space then write the com bit. You don’t have to 
muck around like this with MBraille. If someone knows of a way to do this with 
iOS braille, please let me know. 

 

Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth the extra 
money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it, so I gave it a go to 
satisfy my curiosity. I don’t regret it, but still think its overpriced as you 
do loose some MBraille features in the third-party keyboard. For Example, spell 
checking is not available and if you don’t want to put mBraille first in line 
in your keyboard list, you need to switch to it every time you want to use it 
and it is much easier and faster to bring up the iOS braille keyboard than the 
MBraille one. 

 

Just my opinion, hopefully it helps you to make an informed decision.

 

Cheers,

Brett.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krister Ekstrom
Sent: Monday, 1 June 2015 7:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a 
third-party keyboard

 

Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. I 
only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives that 
were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but then 
again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the shortcuts 
to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to purchasing it or 
if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. I would be curious 
though to find out how mBraille works in certain situations.

/Krister

 

1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com 
mailto:rich...@turner42.com :

 

Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues with 
the price.

On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few 
things and dropped the early products.

I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app has 
a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, though 
some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers.

He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to do 
it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than expected.

But, it works well in most cases.

I do not know what is causing Michele's

Re: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

[Richard Turner]

Hi Krister,
Direct input means that the words you are writing are passed through to the app 
immediately.
If direct input is off, then the words are put into the mBraille buffer and are 
not released to the app until you dismiss the mBraille keyboard.
I would say in most cases, direct input is the way to go.
There is an echo difference that I am not quite sure of yet.
But my default is to use direct input.
Then, because of some oddities, I always switch back to the native keyboard 
with a three finger swipe to the right.
Odd things still happen when dismissing the mBraille keyboard with a three 
finger swipe to the left. One thing about that I don't like is that the next 
time you go  to edit something, mBraille comes up automatically. 
That doesn't work very well for me when putting in an email address.
Later, Richard





 On Jun 1, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Hi and thanks for that. As a matter of fact, i think i’ll take you up on the 
 offer at once, and i start with a really newbyish one, what’s ”direct input”? 
 It’s obviously there for a reason, only i don’t know quite what.
 /Krister
 
 1 jun 2015 kl. 15:04 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com:
 
 Krister,
 Feel free to ask about the situations you are interested in.
 I, and certainly lots of others, will be glad to addresss your questions.
 Of course, ultimately, the only way to find out how it works in practice is 
 to buy it.
 But, I'll be glad to try to answer your questions.
 Richard
 
 
 
 
 On Jun 1, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. 
 I only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives 
 that were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, 
 but then again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of 
 the shortcuts to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to 
 purchasing it or if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. 
 I would be curious though to find out how mBraille works in certain 
 situations.
 /Krister
 
 1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com:
 
 Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues 
 with the price.
 On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few 
 things and dropped the early products.
 I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the 
 app has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to 
 fix, though some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts 
 developers.
 He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him 
 to do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job 
 than expected.
 But, it works well in most cases.
 I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when creating 
 or replying to text messages just fine.
 Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you have to 
 buy the third party keyboard for,  $9.99 or buy both the third party 
 keyboard and Dropbox accessibility for $14.99.
 Now, there are only two pricing options beyond the free version.
 You can buy just the third party keyboard for $9.99 or the Full Version 
 for $39.99 which includes dropbox and third party keyboard capability.
 Sory I only know the US prices.
 Could Harri have done the amount of work he did to make this app and 
 charged less? I have no idea.
 I'm not a programmer and have no idea how many hours it takes to do what 
 he has done.
 But, I do know that from the first release, he has out performed any other 
 attempt at a braille entry system.
 JMO,
 Richard
  
 
 
 
 On Jun 1, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi, I think that A, the program is over priced but we can’t do much about 
 it since we are a small market so guess we’ll have to be satisfied with 
 it or not purchase it. B, the price table is very vague. I don’t know 
 what i get for the amount i paid, at least i got very confused when it 
 came to what i got for the price. There’s a full price but then, do you 
 have to pay more in order to get the third party keyboard support?
 /Krister
 
 31 maj 2015 kl. 23:19 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com:
 
 Yes it is.
  
 Are you using the Away mode layout?
  
 When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear mBraille 
 spoken and then be able to start writing.
  
 Maybe you could say which device and what mode, etc.
 Do you have direct input on or off?
  
 Richard
  
  
 The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but 
 what they become by it.
 
 - John Ruskin
 
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Michelle McQuigge
 Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:26 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

Re: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

[Brett]

Hi Ron, 

Nor do I, and I don't understand why people always feel the need to jump on 
their highhorse when ever someone discusses a blindness specific app. 

Someone asked a question about it and unlike you I tried to contribute 
something useful to the conversation, which may help them make an informed 
choice. 

Yes, the app developer has the right to set his own pricing, but once he makes 
it public, we all have the right to comment on it. This also occurs with 
mainstream apps, so are you saying that because this is a blindness specific 
app, it should be treated differently. 

Yes, I do have the KNFB app and find it worth the cost, as currently there is 
nothing as accurate or especially as quick. 

Cheers, 
Brett.


Sent from Brett's iPhone

 On 2 Jun 2015, at 3:57 am, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote:
 
 Hi Brett,
  
 As you so well explained, people have choices.  If they want the MBraille, 
 it’s a choice and those who want it and can afford it do buy it like you did. 
  Those of us who can’t afford it don’t buy it and have free options.  That’s 
 the best situation possible.  I don’t think a developer has to work for very 
 little just because some of us can’t afford the product.  A person evaluates 
 his/her product, decide how much they want to charge for it and, those of us 
 who want pay for it and those of us who can’t afford it have choices.  I 
 don’t believe in stating that an app is over-priced.  It is what it is and we 
 can buy it or leave it.  The KNFB app is a lot more expensive and those of us 
 who wanted it paid for it and are using it.  Those of who couldn’t afford it 
 are using some of the very good free ones and that’s life.
  
 I am one of these blind people who doesn’t think that people have to work for 
 us for nothing or almost nothing just because.  I do understand that many of 
 us are unemployed but that is not the developpers problem, its ours to deal 
 with.
  
 Just an opinion
  
 Ron  Danvers
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Brett
 Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 6:30 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a 
 third-party keyboard
  
 Hi,
  
 Here is just my opinion.
  
 I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I think 
 the third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a bit. Given that 
 other third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and there was no initial 
 purchase price. The other third-party keyboards include word prediction and 
 spell checking in most cases, which MBraille doesn’t.
  
 There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard:
 1.   You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. With 
 iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the message. 
 You then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard.
 2.   If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate 
 to it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you don’t 
 have direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable direct input 
 yet.
 3.   When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I 
 have found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the period, do 
 a space to enter the period, delete the space then write the com bit. You 
 don’t have to muck around like this with MBraille. If someone knows of a way 
 to do this with iOS braille, please let me know.
  
 Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth the extra 
 money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it, so I gave it a go 
 to satisfy my curiosity. I don’t regret it, but still think its overpriced as 
 you do loose some MBraille features in the third-party keyboard. For Example, 
 spell checking is not available and if you don’t want to put mBraille first 
 in line in your keyboard list, you need to switch to it every time you want 
 to use it and it is much easier and faster to bring up the iOS braille 
 keyboard than the MBraille one.
  
 Just my opinion, hopefully it helps you to make an informed decision.
  
 Cheers,
 Brett.
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Krister Ekstrom
 Sent: Monday, 1 June 2015 7:26 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a 
 third-party keyboard
  
 Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. I 
 only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives that 
 were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but then 
 again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the 
 shortcuts to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to 
 purchasing it or if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. I 
 would be curious though to find out how

Re: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

[Brett]

Hi Cheryl, 

Great, thanks for that. I tried the dot 5 6 prefix, but never thought of the 
dot 2 prefix. 

I guess I am showing my age. (  

Cheers, 
Brett. 


Sent from Brett's iPhone

 On 2 Jun 2015, at 12:02 am, Cheryl Lenartiene cheryl.lenarti...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 In the native iOS Braille input, to write a period in the middle of a string 
 of characters, such as an e-mail address, type dot 4 followed by dots 4 6.
 Cheryl  
 
 Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances;
 for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 1, 2015, at 6:29 AM, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
  
 Here is just my opinion.
  
 I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I think 
 the third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a bit. Given 
 that other third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and there was no 
 initial purchase price. The other third-party keyboards include word 
 prediction and spell checking in most cases, which MBraille doesn’t.
  
 There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard:
 1.   You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. 
 With iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the 
 message. You then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard.
 2.   If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate 
 to it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you don’t 
 have direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable direct input 
 yet.
 3.   When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I 
 have found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the period, do 
 a space to enter the period, delete the space then write the com bit. You 
 don’t have to muck around like this with MBraille. If someone knows of a way 
 to do this with iOS braille, please let me know.
  
 Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth the 
 extra money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it, so I gave 
 it a go to satisfy my curiosity. I don’t regret it, but still think its 
 overpriced as you do loose some MBraille features in the third-party 
 keyboard. For Example, spell checking is not available and if you don’t want 
 to put mBraille first in line in your keyboard list, you need to switch to 
 it every time you want to use it and it is much easier and faster to bring 
 up the iOS braille keyboard than the MBraille one.
  
 Just my opinion, hopefully it helps you to make an informed decision.
  
 Cheers,
 Brett.
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Krister Ekstrom
 Sent: Monday, 1 June 2015 7:26 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a 
 third-party keyboard
  
 Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. 
 I only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives 
 that were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but 
 then again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the 
 shortcuts to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to 
 purchasing it or if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. 
 I would be curious though to find out how mBraille works in certain 
 situations.
 /Krister
  
 1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com:
  
 Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues 
 with the price.
 On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few 
 things and dropped the early products.
 I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app 
 has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, 
 though some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers.
 He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to 
 do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than 
 expected.
 But, it works well in most cases.
 I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when creating or 
 replying to text messages just fine.
 Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you have to buy 
 the third party keyboard for,  $9.99 or buy both the third party keyboard 
 and Dropbox accessibility for $14.99.
 Now, there are only two pricing options beyond the free version.
 You can buy just the third party keyboard for $9.99 or the Full Version 
 for $39.99 which includes dropbox and third party keyboard capability.
 Sory I only know the US prices.
 Could Harri have done the amount of work he did to make this app and charged 
 less? I have no idea.
 I'm not a programmer and have no idea how many hours it takes to do what he 
 has done.
 But, I do know that from the first release, he has out

Re: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

[Christopher Chaltain]

True, people can comment on the price of an app all they want, but for 
me, whether it's a main stream app or a blindness specific app, I'm not 
interested in whether others think it's over priced or not. No one 
else's situation is the same as mine. If people want to compare it to 
other apps and talk about what you get for your money with these 
different options then I'm interested, but I just don't find any value 
in hearing people talk about whether they think an app is overpriced or 
not or whether they can afford it themselves or not.


On 06/01/2015 04:44 PM, Brett wrote:


Hi Ron,

Nor do I, and I don't understand why people always feel the need to jump
on their highhorse when ever someone discusses a blindness specific app.

Someone asked a question about it and unlike you I tried to contribute
something useful to the conversation, which may help them make an
informed choice.

Yes, the app developer has the right to set his own pricing, but once he
makes it public, we all have the right to comment on it. This also
occurs with mainstream apps, so are you saying that because this is a
blindness specific app, it should be treated differently.

Yes, I do have the KNFB app and find it worth the cost, as currently
there is nothing as accurate or especially as quick.

Cheers,
Brett.


Sent from Brett's iPhone

On 2 Jun 2015, at 3:57 am, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca
mailto:ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote:


Hi *Brett,*

**

As you so well explained, people have choices.  If they want the
MBraille, it’s a choice and those who want it and can afford it do buy
it like you did.  Those of us who can’t afford it don’t buy it and
have free options.  That’s the best situation possible.  I don’t think
a developer has to work for very little just because some of us can’t
afford the product.  A person evaluates his/her product, decide how
much they want to charge for it and, those of us who want pay for it
and those of us who can’t afford it have choices.  I don’t believe in
stating that an app is over-priced.  It is what it is and we can buy
it or leave it.  The KNFB app is a lot more expensive and those of us
who wanted it paid for it and are using it.  Those of who couldn’t
afford it are using some of the very good free ones and that’s life.

I am one of these blind people who doesn’t think that people have to
work for us for nothing or almost nothing just because.  I do
understand that many of us are unemployed but that is not the
developpers problem, its ours to deal with.

Just an opinion

Ron  Danvers

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett
*Sent:* Monday, June 01, 2015 6:30 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille
as a third-party keyboard

Hi,

Here is just my opinion.

I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I
think the third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a
bit. Given that other third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and
there was no initial purchase price. The other third-party keyboards
include word prediction and spell checking in most cases, which
MBraille doesn’t.

There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard:

1.You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. With
iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the
message. You then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard.

2.If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate
to it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you
don’t have direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable
direct input yet.

3.When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I
have found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the
period, do a space to enter the period, delete the space then write
the com bit. You don’t have to muck around like this with MBraille. If
someone knows of a way to do this with iOS braille, please let me know.

**

*Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth
the extra money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it,
so I gave it a go to satisfy my curiosity. I don’t regret it, but
still think its overpriced as you do loose some MBraille features in
the third-party keyboard. For Example, spell checking is not available
and if you don’t want to put mBraille first in line in your keyboard
list, you need to switch to it every time you want to use it and it is
much easier and faster to bring up the iOS braille keyboard than the
MBraille one. *

**

*Just my opinion, hopefully it helps you to make an informed decision.*

**

*Cheers,*

*Brett.*

**

**

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Krister Ekstrom
*Sent:* Monday, 1 June 2015 7:26 PM
*To:* viphone

Re: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

[Richard Turner]

You hold a finger on tdot 6 and swipe right  with another finger then lift the 
one on dot 6.




 On Jun 1, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote:
 
 Richard,
  
 Where do you turn on the direct input?
  
 Thanks in advance
  
 Ron  Danvers
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Richard Turner
 Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 4:43 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a 
 third-party keyboard
  
 Hi Krister,
 Direct input means that the words you are writing are passed through to the 
 app immediately.
 If direct input is off, then the words are put into the mBraille buffer and 
 are not released to the app until you dismiss the mBraille keyboard.
 I would say in most cases, direct input is the way to go.
 There is an echo difference that I am not quite sure of yet.
 But my default is to use direct input.
 Then, because of some oddities, I always switch back to the native keyboard 
 with a three finger swipe to the right.
 Odd things still happen when dismissing the mBraille keyboard with a three 
 finger swipe to the left. One thing about that I don't like is that the next 
 time you go  to edit something, mBraille comes up automatically. 
 That doesn't work very well for me when putting in an email address.
 Later, Richard
 
 
 
 
 
 On Jun 1, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Hi and thanks for that. As a matter of fact, i think i’ll take you up on the 
 offer at once, and i start with a really newbyish one, what’s ”direct input”? 
 It’s obviously there for a reason, only i don’t know quite what.
 /Krister
  
 1 jun 2015 kl. 15:04 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com:
  
 Krister,
 Feel free to ask about the situations you are interested in.
 I, and certainly lots of others, will be glad to addresss your questions.
 Of course, ultimately, the only way to find out how it works in practice is 
 to buy it.
 But, I'll be glad to try to answer your questions.
 Richard
 
 
 
 
 On Jun 1, 2015, at 2:26 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Hi, It’s true that Harry has put on his thinking cap when he made this app. I 
 only reacted to the price because there were so many price alternatives that 
 were unclear, and there are many features i’m not sure i would use, but then 
 again, what i use and when may very well vary. I like the idea of the 
 shortcuts to post to various sources. Well we’ll see if i get around to 
 purchasing it or if i keep switching between Fleksy and the stock keyboard. I 
 would be curious though to find out how mBraille works in certain situations.
 /Krister
  
 1 jun 2015 kl. 10:45 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com:
  
 Since I now use mBraille instead of an external keyboard, I have no issues 
 with the price.
 On the mBraille list, Harri admitted not being clear when he changed a few 
 things and dropped the early products.
 I do think he messed up with the marketing side of things, and yes, the app 
 has a few issues as a third party keyboard which he is working hard to fix, 
 though some of the issues are because of the way Apple restricts developers.
 He only included the third party keyboard after enough people begged him to 
 do it.and given the way Apple does things, it was a much bigger job than 
 expected.
 But, it works well in most cases.
 I do not know what is causing Michele's issue. I can use it when creating or 
 replying to text messages just fine.
 Back to the pricing, if you paid what was $29.99 in the US, you have to buy 
 the third party keyboard for,  $9.99 or buy both the third party keyboard and 
 Dropbox accessibility for $14.99.
 Now, there are only two pricing options beyond the free version.
 You can buy just the third party keyboard for $9.99 or the Full Version for 
 $39.99 which includes dropbox and third party keyboard capability.
 Sory I only know the US prices.
 Could Harri have done the amount of work he did to make this app and charged 
 less? I have no idea.
 I'm not a programmer and have no idea how many hours it takes to do what he 
 has done.
 But, I do know that from the first release, he has out performed any other 
 attempt at a braille entry system.
 JMO,
 Richard
  
 
 
 
 On Jun 1, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Hi, I think that A, the program is over priced but we can’t do much about it 
 since we are a small market so guess we’ll have to be satisfied with it or 
 not purchase it. B, the price table is very vague. I don’t know what i get 
 for the amount i paid, at least i got very confused when it came to what i 
 got for the price. There’s a full price but then, do you have to pay more in 
 order to get the third party keyboard support?
 /Krister
  
 31 maj 2015 kl. 23:19 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com:
  
 Yes it is.
  
 Are you using the Away mode layout?
  
 When you select mBraille

Re: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

[Brett]

So if you read my original message, according to your comments below, you have 
nothing to complain about. 

Cheers, 
Brett. 

Sent from Brett's iPhone

 On 2 Jun 2015, at 10:03 am, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 True, people can comment on the price of an app all they want, but for me, 
 whether it's a main stream app or a blindness specific app, I'm not 
 interested in whether others think it's over priced or not. No one else's 
 situation is the same as mine. If people want to compare it to other apps and 
 talk about what you get for your money with these different options then I'm 
 interested, but I just don't find any value in hearing people talk about 
 whether they think an app is overpriced or not or whether they can afford it 
 themselves or not.
 
 On 06/01/2015 04:44 PM, Brett wrote:
 
 Hi Ron,
 
 Nor do I, and I don't understand why people always feel the need to jump
 on their highhorse when ever someone discusses a blindness specific app.
 
 Someone asked a question about it and unlike you I tried to contribute
 something useful to the conversation, which may help them make an
 informed choice.
 
 Yes, the app developer has the right to set his own pricing, but once he
 makes it public, we all have the right to comment on it. This also
 occurs with mainstream apps, so are you saying that because this is a
 blindness specific app, it should be treated differently.
 
 Yes, I do have the KNFB app and find it worth the cost, as currently
 there is nothing as accurate or especially as quick.
 
 Cheers,
 Brett.
 
 
 Sent from Brett's iPhone
 
 On 2 Jun 2015, at 3:57 am, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca
 mailto:ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote:
 
 Hi *Brett,*
 
 **
 
 As you so well explained, people have choices.  If they want the
 MBraille, it’s a choice and those who want it and can afford it do buy
 it like you did.  Those of us who can’t afford it don’t buy it and
 have free options.  That’s the best situation possible.  I don’t think
 a developer has to work for very little just because some of us can’t
 afford the product.  A person evaluates his/her product, decide how
 much they want to charge for it and, those of us who want pay for it
 and those of us who can’t afford it have choices.  I don’t believe in
 stating that an app is over-priced.  It is what it is and we can buy
 it or leave it.  The KNFB app is a lot more expensive and those of us
 who wanted it paid for it and are using it.  Those of who couldn’t
 afford it are using some of the very good free ones and that’s life.
 
 I am one of these blind people who doesn’t think that people have to
 work for us for nothing or almost nothing just because.  I do
 understand that many of us are unemployed but that is not the
 developpers problem, its ours to deal with.
 
 Just an opinion
 
 Ron  Danvers
 
 *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett
 *Sent:* Monday, June 01, 2015 6:30 AM
 *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* RE: Pricing and so forth was Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille
 as a third-party keyboard
 
 Hi,
 
 Here is just my opinion.
 
 I think the initial purchase of the app 33AUD was worth every cent, I
 think the third-party keyboard is overpriced and taking the micky a
 bit. Given that other third-party keyboards are free or under 2.50 and
 there was no initial purchase price. The other third-party keyboards
 include word prediction and spell checking in most cases, which
 MBraille doesn’t.
 
 There are three advantages with MBraille as a third-party keyboard:
 
 1.You can do a one finger flick up to read what you have written. With
 iOS Braille, you must dismiss the keyboard before you can read the
 message. You then need to edit the message using the standard keyboard.
 
 2.If when reading the message, you notice a mistake, you can navigate
 to it and correct it still using the MBraille keyboard, as long as you
 don’t have direct input enabled. I haven’t found a reason to enable
 direct input yet.
 
 3.When writing email addresses or web addresses with iOS Braille, I
 have found when writing the dot com part, you need to braille the
 period, do a space to enter the period, delete the space then write
 the com bit. You don’t have to muck around like this with MBraille. If
 someone knows of a way to do this with iOS braille, please let me know.
 
 **
 
 *Although these advantages are nice, you need to decide if its worth
 the extra money over iOS Braille. I was curious and could afford it,
 so I gave it a go to satisfy my curiosity. I don’t regret it, but
 still think its overpriced as you do loose some MBraille features in
 the third-party keyboard. For Example, spell checking is not available
 and if you don’t want to put mBraille first in line in your keyboard
 list, you need to switch to it every time you want to use it and it is
 much easier and faster to bring up the iOS braille

Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

[Richard Turner]

If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3.
If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at 
$29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both Dropbox 
and third party keyboard support.
It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have tried 
it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with a three 
finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just dismiss the 
keyboard with the three finger swipe left.
Richard


 On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all, 
 I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use mBraille 
 as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an iPhone 6 and 
 have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the app. 
 
 I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I access 
 functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in order to 
 reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, basically 
 nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter what I do. 
 It clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down what should be the 
 dot 3 and swiping right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the dots. The only 
 button I can find is, mercifully, the one to return to my primary keyboard. 
 If I open mBraille and then select messages, though, then everything works as 
 expected. 
 
 Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but are we not supposed to be able to summon 
 mBraille functionality from within whatever app we choose now as opposed to 
 going through mBraille itself first? 
 
 If anyone has an idea to either correct something I'm doing wrong or to 
 address the problem, I'd be really grateful. 
 
 Thanks,
 Michelle
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RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

[Richard Turner]

Yes it is.

 

Are you using the Away mode layout?

 

When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear mBraille spoken and 
then be able to start writing.

 

Maybe you could say which device and what mode, etc.

Do you have direct input on or off?

 

Richard

 

 

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they become by it.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Michelle McQuigge
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

 

Richard, 

 

I purchased what was advertised as the full mBraille program yesterday. It cost 
about $45 Canadian and definitely includes dropbox support. At that price, 
surely third-party keyboard permissions are included too? 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

 

If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3.

If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at 
$29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both Dropbox 
and third party keyboard support.

It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have tried 
it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with a three 
finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just dismiss the 
keyboard with the three finger swipe left.

Richard

 


On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com 
mailto:michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com  wrote:

Hi all, 
I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use mBraille 
as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an iPhone 6 and 
have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the app. 

I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I access 
functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in order to 
reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, basically 
nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter what I do. It 
clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down what should be the dot 3 
and swiping right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the dots. The only button I 
can find is, mercifully, the one to return to my primary keyboard. If I open 
mBraille and then select messages, though, then everything works as expected. 

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but are we not supposed to be able to summon 
mBraille functionality from within whatever app we choose now as opposed to 
going through mBraille itself first? 

If anyone has an idea to either correct something I'm doing wrong or to address 
the problem, I'd be really grateful. 

Thanks,
Michelle

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RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

[Michelle McQuigge]

Richard, 

 

I purchased what was advertised as the full mBraille program yesterday. It cost 
about $45 Canadian and definitely includes dropbox support. At that price, 
surely third-party keyboard permissions are included too? 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

 

If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3.

If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at 
$29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both Dropbox 
and third party keyboard support.

It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have tried 
it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with a three 
finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just dismiss the 
keyboard with the three finger swipe left.

Richard

 


On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com 
mailto:michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com  wrote:

Hi all, 
I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use mBraille 
as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an iPhone 6 and 
have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the app. 

I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I access 
functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in order to 
reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, basically 
nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter what I do. It 
clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down what should be the dot 3 
and swiping right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the dots. The only button I 
can find is, mercifully, the one to return to my primary keyboard. If I open 
mBraille and then select messages, though, then everything works as expected. 

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but are we not supposed to be able to summon 
mBraille functionality from within whatever app we choose now as opposed to 
going through mBraille itself first? 

If anyone has an idea to either correct something I'm doing wrong or to address 
the problem, I'd be really grateful. 

Thanks,
Michelle

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RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

[Michelle McQuigge]

Hi Richard, 

 

Yes, I am using away mode, and indeed voiceover does say mBraille as soon as I 
select the keyboard from within some other app. However when I go to type, 
nothing happens. I hear clicks when I touch certain parts of the screen, but 
when I try to enter braille characters, there’s no response from mBraille. In 
fact on two occasions voiceover has interpreted my efforts to type as a 
three-finger double tap and muted the speech. :p Doing a three-finger swipe 
also doesn’t get me back to the keyboard. I can do that by holding the phone 
back in portrait mode and flicking right once. 

 

This, of course, is what happens when I try to use mBraille indirectly. If I 
enter mBraille itself and then use it to launch something like messages and 
mail, then third-party keyboarding works adequately. In those contexts, I’m 
able to enable direct input without a problem.  

 

I tried uninstalling and then reinstalling the program, not forgetting to 
restore purchases and make sure full access was enabled. No dice. 

 

As mentioned before, I’m using in iPhone 6 running ios8.3.

 

Thanks,

Michelle

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 5:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

 

Yes it is.

 

Are you using the Away mode layout?

 

When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear mBraille spoken and 
then be able to start writing.

 

Maybe you could say which device and what mode, etc.

Do you have direct input on or off?

 

Richard

 

 

The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it.

- John Ruskin

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michelle McQuigge
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

 

Richard, 

 

I purchased what was advertised as the full mBraille program yesterday. It cost 
about $45 Canadian and definitely includes dropbox support. At that price, 
surely third-party keyboard permissions are included too? 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

 

If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3.

If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at 
$29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both Dropbox 
and third party keyboard support.

It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have tried 
it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with a three 
finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just dismiss the 
keyboard with the three finger swipe left.

Richard

 


On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com 
mailto:michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com  wrote:

Hi all, 
I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use mBraille 
as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an iPhone 6 and 
have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the app. 

I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I access 
functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in order to 
reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, basically 
nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter what I do. It 
clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down what should be the dot 3 
and swiping right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the dots. The only button I 
can find is, mercifully, the one to return to my primary keyboard. If I open 
mBraille and then select messages, though, then everything works as expected. 

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but are we not supposed to be able to summon 
mBraille functionality from within whatever app we choose now as opposed to 
going through mBraille itself first? 

If anyone has an idea to either correct something I'm doing wrong or to address 
the problem, I'd be really grateful. 

Thanks,
Michelle

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Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

[Richard Turner]

I thinkthere are two more things to try.
First, is the orientation locked? If not, try locking orientation.
The other thing is try going into Email and start a message, using mbraille as 
the third party keyboard, turn direct input off, then without doing anything 
else, hit your home button andmessages and either compose a new one or better, 
reply to one.
My guess is you will find that mBraille is the active keyboard and when you 
start writing you will hear what you type, depending on ymbraille speech 
settings anuway.
Direct input seems to behave differently in messages.
HTH,
Richard




 On May 31, 2015, at 3:04 PM, Michelle McQuigge michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Richard,
  
 Yes, I am using away mode, and indeed voiceover does say mBraille as soon as 
 I select the keyboard from within some other app. However when I go to type, 
 nothing happens. I hear clicks when I touch certain parts of the screen, but 
 when I try to enter braille characters, there’s no response from mBraille. In 
 fact on two occasions voiceover has interpreted my efforts to type as a 
 three-finger double tap and muted the speech. :p Doing a three-finger swipe 
 also doesn’t get me back to the keyboard. I can do that by holding the phone 
 back in portrait mode and flicking right once.
  
 This, of course, is what happens when I try to use mBraille indirectly. If I 
 enter mBraille itself and then use it to launch something like messages and 
 mail, then third-party keyboarding works adequately. In those contexts, I’m 
 able to enable direct input without a problem.  
  
 I tried uninstalling and then reinstalling the program, not forgetting to 
 restore purchases and make sure full access was enabled. No dice.
  
 As mentioned before, I’m using in iPhone 6 running ios8.3.
  
 Thanks,
 Michelle
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Richard Turner
 Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 5:19 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
  
 Yes it is.
  
 Are you using the Away mode layout?
  
 When you select mBraille as the keyboard, you should hear mBraille spoken and 
 then be able to start writing.
  
 Maybe you could say which device and what mode, etc.
 Do you have direct input on or off?
  
 Richard
  
  
 The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
 they become by it.
 
 - John Ruskin
 
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Michelle McQuigge
 Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 1:26 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
  
 Richard,
  
 I purchased what was advertised as the full mBraille program yesterday. It 
 cost about $45 Canadian and definitely includes dropbox support. At that 
 price, surely third-party keyboard permissions are included too?
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Richard Turner
 Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard
  
 If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3.
 If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at 
 $29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both 
 Dropbox and third party keyboard support.
 It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have 
 tried it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with a 
 three finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just 
 dismiss the keyboard with the three finger swipe left.
 Richard
  
 
 On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all, 
 I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use mBraille 
 as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an iPhone 6 and 
 have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the app. 
 
 I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I access 
 functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in order to 
 reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, basically 
 nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter what I do. 
 It clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down what should be the 
 dot 3 and swiping right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the dots. The only 
 button I can find is, mercifully, the one to return to my primary keyboard. 
 If I open mBraille and then select messages, though, then everything works as 
 expected. 
 
 Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but are we not supposed to be able to summon 
 mBraille functionality from within whatever app we choose now as opposed to 
 going through mBraille itself first? 
 
 If anyone has an idea to either correct something I'm doing wrong or to 
 address the problem, I'd be really grateful

RE: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

[Ron Pelletier]

Hi Richard,

 

I have the same problem with the 3 finger swipe left and have reported to the 
developer but no fix yet even if there has been an update since I reported it.  
I guess it might be in the next update.

 

Ron  Danvers

 

 

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Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

 

If you are trying to put direct input on, it is dot 6 not dot 3.

If you only paid $29.99 you don't have full keyboard I bought mBraille at 
$29.99 when it first came out and then finally paid $14.99 to get both Dropbox 
and third party keyboard support.

It works great on messages, mail, and pretty much everywhere else I have tried 
it. At least as long as I switch back to the standard keyboard with a three 
finger swipe right when I am done. Things are a bit odd if I just dismiss the 
keyboard with the three finger swipe left.

Richard

 


On May 31, 2015, at 6:51 AM, Michelle McQuigge michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com 
mailto:michelle.mcqui...@gmail.com  wrote:

Hi all, 
I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use mBraille 
as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an iPhone 6 and 
have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the app. 

I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I access 
functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in order to 
reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, basically 
nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter what I do. It 
clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down what should be the dot 3 
and swiping right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the dots. The only button I 
can find is, mercifully, the one to return to my primary keyboard. If I open 
mBraille and then select messages, though, then everything works as expected. 

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but are we not supposed to be able to summon 
mBraille functionality from within whatever app we choose now as opposed to 
going through mBraille itself first? 

If anyone has an idea to either correct something I'm doing wrong or to address 
the problem, I'd be really grateful. 

Thanks,
Michelle

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Bizarre issue re. mBraille as a third-party keyboard

[Michelle McQuigge]

Hi all, 
I'm running into something that strikes me as odd when trying to use 
mBraille as a third-party keyboard. As a caveat, I'm running IOS8.3 on an 
iPhone 6 and have enabled full access using the full, paid version of the 
app. 

I only seem to be able to use mBraille as a third-party keyboard if I 
access functions through the app first. For instance, if I open messages in 
order to reply to someone and select mBraille as the keyboard of choice, 
basically nothing happens. I can't activate the braille keyboard no matter 
what I do. It clicks, but nothing is inputted. I tried holding down what 
should be the dot 3 and swiping right, but it doesn't seem to recognize the 
dots. The only button I can find is, mercifully, the one to return to my 
primary keyboard. If I open mBraille and then select messages, though, then 
everything works as expected. 

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but are we not supposed to be able to summon 
mBraille functionality from within whatever app we choose now as opposed to 
going through mBraille itself first? 

If anyone has an idea to either correct something I'm doing wrong or to 
address the problem, I'd be really grateful. 

Thanks,
Michelle

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Re: MBraille and Adding Calendar Events

[christopher hallsworth]

The calendar and most other dot commands are only available with the in-app 
purchase. You specify the default calendar in Settings  Mail, contacts and 
calendar.
 On 25 May 2015, at 00:56, Dani Pagador axs@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, Everyone.
 Is the ability to add calendar events in MBraille available with the
 free version, or do I need to do the in-app purchase?
 
 Also, if I have three calendars, how can I specify which calendar to
 add the event to?
 
 Thanks,
 Dani
 
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Re: Piano layout, was Re: MBraille iOS app update

[christopher hallsworth]

Yes you are. Go to Settings in MBraille and turn switch dots 1-3, 4-6 on or off 
can't figure that one out.
 On 26 Apr 2015, at 20:07, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I have the free version of MBraille. I don’t know whether i should upgrade or 
 not because i don’t know if i will get the keyboard or not with the full 
 upgrade as a new user, but that wasn’t the question really. I have tried the 
 piano layout but i don’t much like it because keys 1 and 3 has swapped places 
 and no matter what i do to change it, it stays the same. Call me old school, 
 but that’s not the way braille should be typed in or am i missing something?
 /Krister
 
 26 apr 2015 kl. 20:59 skrev Gmail englishride...@gmail.com:
 
 Yep, you're right. I just went back and looked in the user guide, and it 
 said that it was recommended that piano  layout be used on the iPhone 6, and 
 that using it on other earlier iPhone models might be cramped.
 
 
 Thanks,
 Ari
 
 On Apr 26, 2015, at 11:21 AM, christopher hallsworth 
 challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Piano layout works on all iPhones and I suspect iPod Touch. With iPad only 
 one layout is used, hence the inability to change the layout in settings.
 On 26 Apr 2015, at 17:36, Gmail englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm pretty sure I remember the documentation saying that piano layout 
 works on the iPhone 6 and iPads; I didn't see anything about the piano 
 layout working on any other iPhone models.
 
 
 Thanks,
 Ari
 
 On Apr 25, 2015, at 11:58 PM, christopher hallsworth 
 challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Piano mode is supported on all iPhones and possibly iPod Touch.
 On 26 Apr 2015, at 01:43, Gmail englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm actually thinking of getting MBraille, but only after I get the 
 iPhone 6. I just want to be absolutely certain that the piano key layout 
 is supported with the iPhone 6. I've gotten pretty good with the layout 
 that's shaped like a V, but I'm pretty sure I'd be faster with the piano 
 key layout. Also, does the translation behavior in the app come across 
 when you're using MBraille as a systemwide keyboard?
 
 
 Thanks,
 Ari
 
 On Apr 25, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Cheryl Lenartiene 
 cheryl.lenarti...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 That was my problem. I purchased the keyboard prior to purchasing the 
 document package.
 
 Cheryl
 
 Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances;
 for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 25, 2015, at 4:29 PM, Chris Chaffin cchaf...@twcny.rr.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 I am an old user of MBraille, and the keyboard was included in my 
 purchase of the documents package.
 Once I purchased the documents package, I was able to use the full 
 version of the third party keyboard.
 
 According to Harry, if you previously paid $30 US for the pro version 
 of MBraille, then you can just pay $15 US for the documents package, 
 and the third party keyboard will be included.
 If you purchased the documents package and the keyboard was not 
 included, then I would recommend contacting Harry.
 
 Hope this helps,
 
 Chris
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 25, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Cheryl Lenartiene 
 cheryl.lenarti...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm not sure that's accurate. I am not a new user, and I had to 
 purchase the keyboard and the document package separately, even 
 though I own MBraille full.
 
 Cheryl
 
 Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances;
 for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 25, 2015, at 1:33 PM, christopher hallsworth 
 challswor...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 It's not an add-on; some listers are calling the MBraille KB as an 
 add-on when in fact it's the ability to use MBraille as a third 
 party keyboard. What they mean to say is MBraille KB can be bought 
 as an in-app purchase alongside MBraille Full. This is for new users 
 only; upgrade users can only purchase the documents package which 
 includes MBraille KB.
 On 25 Apr 2015, at 18:01, don bishop w6...@donbishop.org wrote:
 
 I missed the original post on this. I have mbraille, and wondering 
 what is the name of the a.-on?  I don't see any mention inthe 
 domumentation.
 
 Thanks,
 Don
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
 Date: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:37 am
 Subject: Re: MBCCbi'bi'raille iOS app update
 
 
 
 I am writing this in mBraille as a third party keyboard and 
 pressing the home key is not the way to dismiss mBraille, that 
 just exits what you are doing.
 A three finger flick left dismisses the keyboard.
 A three finger flick right switches to the next keyboardeausually 
 the standard iOS keyboard.
 Richard
 
 
 
 
 On Apr 25, 2015, at 4:40 AM, Dave d.becke...@ntlworld.com wrote:
 
 press your home key.
 
 From: Arnold Schmidt
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 11:32 AM
 To: