. I worry that this involves a potential name computation which currently does not map to a special property. I would really like to avoid that. That potentially is a lot of spec. work.
Cheers,
Rich
Rich Schwerdtfeger
- Original message -From: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUSSent
Hi Janina,
I believe you are still the a11y director at the LF? Can you see any reason why IA2 could not be moved to github?
Rich
Rich Schwerdtfeger
- Original message -From: Alexander Surkov Sent by:
I think IA2 should be moved to github as well.
Rich Schwerdtfeger
- Original message -From: James Teh Sent by: accessibility-ia2-boun...@lists.linuxfoundation.orgTo: Alexander Surkov Cc: IAccessible2 mailing list
Faulkner <faulkner.st...@gmail.com>To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUSCc: Anne van Kesteren <ann...@annevk.nl>, IAccessible2 mailing list <accessibility-...@lists.linux-foundation.org>, Amelia Bellamy-Royds <amelia.bellamy.ro...@gmail.com>, "asur...@mozilla.com&q
@gmail.com>Cc: Rich Schwerdtfeger <richsch...@gmail.com>, Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexan...@gmail.com>, Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, IAccessible2 mailing list <accessibility-...@lists.linux-foundation.org>, Alexander Surkov <asur...@mozilla.com>, Marcos Cacere
Could you add it in for error message so that AT vendors can start work on it
sooner this week?
Rich
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Alexander Surkov
> wrote:
>
> Hi, Rich.
>
> I didn't updated yet IDL for details and errormessage. I wanted to make it on
> this
Thank you. It was my understanding that aria-details would not have a reverse relationship.
Regards,
Rich
Rich Schwerdtfeger
- Original message -From: Alexander Surkov Sent by: accessibility-ia2-boun...@lists.linuxfoundation.orgTo: Rich Schwerdtfeger
xan...@gmail.com>To: James Teh <ja...@nvaccess.org>Cc: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, IAccessible2 mailing list <accessibility-...@lists.linux-foundation.org>, Brett Lewis <ble...@freedomscientific.com>, Joanmarie Diggs <jdi...@igalia.com>, Dominic Mazzoni &l
en reader.
Good point. I will switch back to IA2_ROLE_FORM for forms. We still need IA2_ROLE_LANDMARK for the other land marks.
Rich
Rich Schwerdtfeger
- Original message -From: Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexan...@gmail.com>To: James Teh <ja...@nvaccess.org>Cc: Richard
Yes it may provide alternative content as well.
Rich Schwerdtfeger
- Original message -From: Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexan...@gmail.com>To: James Teh <ja...@nvaccess.org>Cc: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, IAccessible2 mailing list <accessibility-
-From: Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexan...@gmail.com>To: Brett Lewis <ble...@vfo-group.com>Cc: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, "ja...@nvaccess.org" <ja...@nvaccess.org>, "jdi...@igalia.com" <jdi...@igalia.com>, "accessibility-...@lists.lin
<ja...@nvaccess.org>To: Dominic Mazzoni <dmazz...@google.com>, Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUSCc: accessibility-...@lists.linux-foundation.orgSubject: Re: [Accessibility-ia2] Reverse relationshipsDate: Wed, Sep 7, 2016 12:26 AM
That's fair. The only problem is that if they'r
d HTML 5.2 level browsers support the IA2_ROLE_LANDMARK for all landmarks and use the xml-roles object attribute to get the landmark type, ... in this case "form".
Rich
Rich Schwerdtfeger
- Original message -From: James Teh <ja...@nvaccess.org>To: Richard Schw
I think Dominic's suggestion on an interface tester with bit flags works well.
Rich
Rich Schwerdtfeger
- Original message -From: James Teh <ja...@nvaccess.org>To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, surkov.alexan...@gmail.com, ble...@freedomscientific.com, jdi...@igalia
- Original message -From: James Teh <ja...@nvaccess.org>To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, surkov.alexan...@gmail.com, ble...@freedomscientific.com, jdi...@igalia.comCc: accessibility-...@lists.linux-foundation.orgSubject: Re: Reverse relationshipsDate: Tue, Sep 6, 2016 7:34 PM
As I
That makes sense to me.
Rich Schwerdtfeger
- Original message -From: Dominic Mazzoni via Accessibility-ia2 Sent by: accessibility-ia2-boun...@lists.linuxfoundation.orgTo: accessibility-...@lists.linux-foundation.orgCc:Subject:
The ARIA working group is against concatenating the description and relationship strings. I will try to summarize:
Specifically, concatenation by browsers could:
Defeat the purposes of aria-errormessage. The aria-errormessage relationship is designed to ensure assistive technology
We need agreement:
Should the error message and details relationships have reverse mappings?
Rich
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Jamie, Alex,
There is far too much resistance to concatenating the description with the error message. It will never carry with the working group. I am sorry. Right now we are holding up ARIA in HTML in ARIA.
Can we agree:
1. For the Firefox mapping of the form element, and ARIA 1.1 form
message -From: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBMTo: surkov.alexan...@gmail.comCc: accessibility-ia2@lists.linuxfoundation.org, ja...@nvaccess.org, jdi...@igalia.comSubject: Re: aria-details and aria-errormessage mappingDate: Tue, Aug 23, 2016 3:21 PM
Alex,
You can't expose aria-details
on ATVs in terms of the user experience.
Rich
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- Original message -From: Joanmarie Diggs <jdi...@igalia.com>To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUSCc: accessibility-ia2@lists.linuxfoundation.org, cl...@alum.mit.eduSubject: Re: [Accessibility-ia2] aria-d
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I have included Joseph on CC so that he is aware of the name and description issue. Rich Schwerdtfeger
- Original message -From: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUSSent by: accessibility-ia2-boun...@lists.linuxfoundation.orgTo: jdi...@igalia.comCc: accessibility-ia2
-From: Joanmarie Diggs <jdi...@igalia.com>To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUSCc: ja...@nvaccess.org, accessibility-ia2@lists.linuxfoundation.org, surkov.alexan...@gmail.comSubject: Re: aria-details and aria-errormessage mappingDate: Wed, Aug 24, 2016 9:52 AM
Hey Rich.On matters w
Schwerdtfeger
- Original message -From: James Teh <ja...@nvaccess.org>To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUSCc: accessibility-ia2@lists.linuxfoundation.org, jdi...@igalia.com, surkov.alexan...@gmail.comSubject: Re: aria-details and aria-errormessage mappingDate: Sun, Aug 21, 2016 7
From: James Teh <ja...@nvaccess.org>To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, surkov.alexan...@gmail.comCc: accessibility-ia2@lists.linuxfoundation.org, jdi...@igalia.comSubject: Re: aria-details and aria-errormessage mappingDate: Thu, Aug 18, 2016 9:45 PM
Hi.
I've already stated my view on t
. Object attributes are an option.
Rich
Rich Schwerdtfeger
- Original message -From: Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexan...@gmail.com>To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUSCc: "accessibility-ia2@lists.linuxfoundation.org" <accessibility-ia2@lists.linuxfoundation.
org>, James Teh <ja...@nvaccess.org>, Joanmarie Diggs <jdi...@igalia.com>, Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUSCc:Subject: aria-details and aria-errormessage mappingDate: Tue, Aug 9, 2016 2:12 PM
Hi.ARIA 1.1 got two relation-like attributes: aria-details [1] and aria-errormessage [2], used
We want to separate out errors from help information. aria-errormessage only
takes an IDREF.
> On Feb 24, 2016, at 5:14 PM, James Teh wrote:
>
> I thought aria-describedby could refer to multiple nodes. As such, I don't
> follow why authors were "stuck" when they wanted
Error messages may have additional content in there that needs greater semantic
structure. For example, what if the error message had a link to a online help
area about the topic. Converting it to a string would not work.
Rich
> On Feb 23, 2016, at 5:20 PM, Joanmarie Diggs
to navigate there. We can add a parameter that states to navigate to
the first non-empty cell to the ... or whatever algorithm we choose.
Rich
Rich Schwerdtfeger
From: Dominic Mazzoni <dmazz...@google.com>
To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, James Teh
<ja...@nva
Would it not be better to just navigate to a given row and column index?
Why limit it to just the cell in a direction?
Rich Schwerdtfeger
From: James Teh
To: Dominic Mazzoni , IAccessible2 mailing
list
components make use of a DOM tree but it is separate.
So, regarding API mappings you want to have the ATs control the browser
(move focus and have the browser load more content)?
Rich Schwerdtfeger
From: Dominic Mazzoni <dmazz...@google.com>
To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IB
Hi Dominic,
We can look at adding this work as part of ARIA 2.0 and the common
accessibility api work for browsers. The need for this goes beyond screen
readers. Alternative input solutions will need this too.
I am trying to wrap ARIA 1.1 up on time so that we can do all the
long-needed
http://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/accessibility-ia2/2015-September/001939.html
Alex, why would you not want the active state on non-widgets? For example,
if you have a list of links in a navigation landmark section you do not
want to mix focus with active. This is because what is
if it's the one
defined by aria-errormessage (exposed via object attribute).
--joanie
On 08/11/2015 12:48 PM, Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote:
yes. We need it for ATK/ATSPI also.
Rich Schwerdtfeger
Inactive hide details for Alexander Surkov ---08/11/2015 11:34:44
AM---Hi. It looks like we need
. Jamie suggested to use object
attributes which sounds reasonable.
Alex.
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger sch...@us.ibm.com
wrote:
I am continuing the discussion on the list. It sounds like we have two
models - contiguous rows/columns vs. author specified.
Should
like the issue is that we are fighting with trying to compute the
results vs. what the author is putting in.
Rich
Rich Schwerdtfeger
- Forwarded by Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM on 07/28/2015 09:31 AM
-
From: Alexander Surkov surkov.alexan...@gmail.com
To: Richard Schwerdtfeger
The problem with the name computation is that:
If you use it to compute a name only and then type over it you lose the
hint. ... e.g. a placeholder value of MMDDYY. The AT can always ask for the
placeholder value.
Rich
Rich Schwerdtfeger
From: Alexander Surkov surkov.alexan...@gmail.com
I want to also consider HTML5.1 native host language semantics. If we have
an HTML5 checkbox I would think that the native placeholder attribute would
win, over aria-placeholder, as that text would be visible.
Do you agree Steve?
Rich Schwerdtfeger
From: Joanmarie Diggs
Joseph, fyi: assuming Joanie and Alex agree on an object attribute, see
below.
Rich
Rich Schwerdtfeger
From: Steve Faulkner faulkner.st...@gmail.com
To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
Cc: Joanmarie Diggs jdi...@igalia.com, IAccessible2 mailing list
We are also building a 64-bit proxy dll. I can look at open sourcing it
although not in the next month as I have travel.
Rich Schwerdtfeger
From: James Teh ja...@nvaccess.org
To: accessibility-ia2@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Date: 11/03/2014 06:38 PM
Subject:Re:
Hi Pete, Janina,
As you may know ARIA 1.1 will require some modifications to platform
accessibility APIs. Alex Surkov, from Mozilla, has agreed to take over
Pete's position in the Linux Foundation to make the necessary changes, as
well as other enhancements, required for IA2 implementers. He
Super.
Alex is gong to be great. Thank you for all your wonderful work on IA2
Pete!
Rich Schwerdtfeger
From: Pete Brunet p...@a11ysoft.com
To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
Cc: IAccessible2 mailing list
accessibility-ia2@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Date: 07
Thanks Pete.
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 12, 2013, at 12:43 AM, Pete Brunet p...@a11ysoft.com wrote:
The IAccessibleTable2 spec has an error. The deprecation note on the caption
method indicates that a describedBy relation should be used and the
deprecation note on the summary method
Hi Pete,
The reason for the editing functions was to allow a voice reco solution to
select text, edit it, and perform clipboard operations for the mobility
impaired. It is additional work to have a voice reco solution have to go
through the additional work of doing the additional keyboard
Pete,
Is there a plan to update AccProbe for the new interfaces?
Alex: I am concerned about FF implementing this stuff in the middle of
Candidate Recommendation phase. That would set everything back and there
are already more bugs than I would like to see in FF 21 which need to be
addressed.
That creates a rather significant problem.
Rich
Rich Schwerdtfeger
From: Pete Brunet p...@a11ysoft.com
To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS,
Cc: IA2 List Accessibility-ia2@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
accessibility-ia2-boun...@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Alexander
if a project comes along that needs clipboard functionality
and provides resource to drive the spec toward a well thought out definition
of the clipboard methods.
Pete
On 2/4/13 8:51 PM, Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote:
Hi Pete,
The reason for the editing functions was to allow a voice
Whe are relations deprecated? They are used extensively in both FF, Chrome, and
Symphony.
Rich
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:32 PM, Pete Brunet p...@a11ysoft.com wrote:
On 10/10/12 1:29 AM, James Teh wrote:
Hi all,
Sorry for taking so long. Here is my feedback:
It appears the relations were moved to the new ia22 interface. Is that why you
are deprecating the relations interface?
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 4, 2013, at 10:15 PM, Richard Schwerdtfeger sch...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Whe are relations deprecated? They are used extensively in both FF, Chrome
...@a11ysoft.com wrote:
On 2/4/13 4:56 PM, Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote:
Did you check with Nuance? What appends if replacetext is removed?
If you have a contact at Nuance please ask them to join the list.
Only the clipboard methods are deprecated, which bascially means don't use
the cut
Copy that. I just got back from vacation and am slammed.
Rich
Rich Schwerdtfeger
From: James Teh ja...@nvaccess.org
To: IAccessible2 mailing list
accessibility-ia2@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
Date: 09/25/2012 02:14 AM
Subject:Re: [Accessibility-ia2] IA2 1.3 ready
, Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote:
That works for me. So if summary is null or an empty string then an
AT should look to the describedby relationship.
So, what will you do with caption? Will you deprecate it?
Rich Schwerdtfeger
CTO Accessibility Software Group
Hi Alex,
Summary is the equivalent of a text description that can be mapped to
accDescription. The summary is not visible to sighted users. So, it behaves
the same way as a hidden aria-descibedby. We should start being consistent
in the way that we provide information.
Captions are visible
Hi Pete,
Pleas look at the ARIA implementation guide:
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events
Section 5.8.2 will show the events fired for document changes within a live
region
aria-live is not a state. It is a property so you need only look at the
property API mapping.
So, we are discussing making canvas accessible. Currently accessible
objects take bounding rectangles yet drawing objects can be more complex.
Should we introduce a drawing path to the API vs doing a best fit to a
rectangle?
Rich
Rich Schwerdtfeger
CTO Accessibility Software Group
From:
] next changes to IAccessible2
Sent by: accessibility-ia2-boun...@lists.linuxfoundation.org
On 6/22/2011 8:27 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote:
Pete,
I am looking at accessibleDocument. Should we not do more than that
for a document interface? Should we also have features to collect
and access
accessibility-...@lists.linux-foundation.org
Date: 06/18/2011 01:12 AM
Subject:Re: [Accessibility-ia2] next changes to IAccessible2
Sent by:accessibility-ia2-boun...@lists.linuxfoundation.org
On 17/06/2011 10:49 PM, Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote:
Well if you wanted to [have a way to fetch
James,
We are going to need a more flexible way of supporting custom components
for the Web. Properties and states need to be discoverable and processable
- and so do custom roles. I think roles will end up becoming identifiers
for common design patterns. This will part of the work in ARIA 2.0.
We also need to start collecting new common design patterns on the Web and
ensure we are moving in the right direction on the infrastructure.
Rich Schwerdtfeger
CTO Accessibility Software Group
From: David Bolter david.bol...@gmail.com
To: James Teh ja...@nvaccess.org
Cc:
.
--
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a11ysoft - Accessibility Architecture and Development
(512) 238-6967 (work), (512) 689-4155 (cell)
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Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote:
Rich Schwerdtfeger
for note I would use the aria definition.
Rich Schwerdtfeger
CTO Accessibility Software Group
From: david bolter david.bol...@gmail.com
To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/i...@ibmus
Cc: markus.gyll...@gmail.com,
accessibility-ia2@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Gregory J
suggestion below.
Rich Schwerdtfeger
CTO Accessibility Software Group
accessibility-ia2-boun...@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote on 06/21/2010
01:00:38 PM:
From: James Teh ja...@nvaccess.org
To: accessibility-ia2@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Date: 06/21/2010 01:13 PM
Subject: Re:
An important feature of web browser today is the ability to navigate rich
content editable areas. This feature is standardized in HTML 5. IBM,
Mozilla, and other members of the open community have been working hard on
addressing keyboard navigation. Alex Surkov, Mozilla, is creating a
document
Schwerdtfeger
CTO Accessibility Software Group
wai-xtech-requ...@w3.org wrote on 05/26/2010 09:02:48 AM:
Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/i...@ibmus
Sent by: wai-xtech-requ...@w3.org
05/26/2010 09:02 AM
To
wai-xt...@w3.org, dev-accessibil...@lists.mozilla.org, Matthew King/
Fishkill/i...@ibmus, Frank
, What other apps are using this message? How are they using it?
===
Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote:
I have to agree with Andres. WM_GETOBJECT is not solely used
?
Thanks, Pete
===
Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote:
Any application that would test other native applications would use
this. For example: Rational Functional Tester.
Rich Schwerdtfeger
CTO Accessibility Software Group
Inactive hide details for Pete Brunet ---05/25/2010 09:37
Is that a range containing only embedded characters?
Rich Schwerdtfeger
CTO Accessibility Software Group
Alexander Surkov
surkov.alexander
accurate than
accessibility APIs.
Rich
Rich Schwerdtfeger
CTO Accessibility Software Group
Alexander Surkov surkov.alexan...@gmail.com
05/15/2010 01:35 AM
To
Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/i...@ibmus
cc
p...@a11ysoft.com, accessibility-ia2@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
accessibility-ia2-boun
To
Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/i...@ibmus
05/15/2010 01:35 cc
AM p...@a11ysoft.com,
accessibility-ia2@lists.linuxfoundation.org
To
05/17/2010 12:35 PM
Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/i...@ibmus
I was speaking with Shawn Warren of AI Squared and he indicated that he
would like to have IA2 be able to hid access to content that is not
visible. In particular it appears Shawn was referring to content and
componentry that was clipped out due to window size and other windows
obscuring the
Car,
Value should not be a string. If there is a text equivalent it can be sent
through the object properties. I had asked that the Firefox properties from
aria, which allows for a text equivalent, become standard object
properties. For example, a slider may have 7 days of the week and the
AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote:
Can we remove/deprecate
IA2_STATE_SINGLE_LINE = 0x2000
I don't believe it can. We need it to differentiate between a text field
or a text area when we have an element whose role is role_system_text.
When it is absent we can assume it is text in a compound
Jamie,
I want to throw in that these form elements will have associated labels
(part of the markup) and an autocomplete feature which is quite different
than we would normally expect.
Rich Schwerdtfeger
CTO Accessibility Software Group
yet.
Thanks,
--Andres.
From: accessibility-ia2-boun...@lists.linuxfoundation.org [
mailto:accessibility-ia2-boun...@lists.linuxfoundation.org] On Behalf Of
Richard Schwerdtfeger
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 6:32 AM
To: Carolyn MacLeod
Cc: accessibility-ia2@lists.linuxfoundation.org;
accessibility
would hear has popup, click (space bar) the widget and find no popup (since
it is a right click, menu key, shift-f10 that normally invokes the context
menu).
cheers,
David
On 05/04/10 11:57 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote:
I understand the use case ... A button may have a drop down menu
Nope. controller for indicates that an object controls another elsewhere in
the application. This was derived from the work we did with Sun on Java
where we had a problem in the SwingSet application. Here we had a series of
checkboxes that controlled the contents of a listbox (types of foods). We
Peter,
Well you are getting older Ronnie. :-)
Rich
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