Re: [AFMUG] AT Long Lines

[Eric Kuhnke]

Looks like the list may be removing attachments...  Here's the file:

http://tengigabit.ca/~eric/ATT_longlines_USA.kmz

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 6:22 PM, Gerard Dupont III 
wrote:

> Did the list scrub the attachment? Link maybe?
>
> Thanks,
> Gerard
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 7:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> I recently came across this KML file online. It's KML/KMZ format for
>> Google Earth.
>>
>> I thought I knew where all the notable towers in WA state were, but turns
>> out I was missing a few on my previously self-made AT Long Lines map.
>> Kudos to whoever put this together.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives

[Jaime Solorza]

its like I tell my kids about original A root beer tasted allot better
when I was kid...also Dr. Pepper tasted better...maybe its me...

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> I hate to disappoint you Americans but Tim Hortons is terrible. The only
> thing it has going for it is its huge number of locations. The coffee is
> worse than McDonalds (yes, really, since McD in Canada buys from a roaster
> that used to supply Starbucks).
>
> About 10-15 years ago Tim Hortons sold itself to some corporate buyout
> group to proceeded to stop the practice of baking fresh donuts, muffins etc
> in each location. Instead they now receive cardboad boxes full of sad,
> small, crusty, stale frozen donuts that go in an industrial microwave oven
> every morning. All this in the name of profit, and because normal people
> still want to pay $1 a donut, not the $2 it would probably cost if they
> really baked them in house.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Poutine and a Blue, maybe some Tim Horton’s and maple syrup?
>>
>> *From:* Paul Stewart 
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2016 6:40 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>>
>>
>> ROFL … no we just drink beer and pop out of our igloos every so often ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>> /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2016 9:36 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you break out the real chocolate hot cocoa and the dancin mittens?
>>
>> On Jan 23, 2016 6:35 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>> >
>> > Y’all need to come up to Canada and have an AnimalFarm up here – we
>> know how to party ;)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
>> > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:21 AM
>> >
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Does SLC have Dunkin Donuts yet?  Waffle House?  OK, they have Dennys.
>> How late is Arctic Circle open?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Mathew Howard
>> >
>> > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 10:07 AM
>> >
>> > To: af
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > What, you think we go all the way to Utah just for education? you've
>> been missing out man...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> party?   you guys party?   hell...I will have to let my hair down and
>> join you guys,I thought it was all just education and tips with maybe a
>> beer at some steakhouse.are folks allowed to be out after 9 pm in
>> Utah?   .
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jaime Solorza
>> >>
>> >> Wireless Systems Architect
>> >>
>> >> 915-861-1390
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> AF is the lowest cost show out there.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> It is kinda like saying you are saying I have never been to a
>> Grateful Dead Concert and I have no intention to.  AF is where the
>> rockstars of the WISP world party.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> From: Mike Hammett
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 6:23 AM
>> >>>
>> >>> To: af@afmug.com
>> >>>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Having never attended an AF (and no real intention to), I'm glad
>> there will be some AF at a WISPA show. I don't have the time to go
>> everywhere. There have been three or four conferences since WISPAPALOOZA
>> that I've wanted to attend, but have been unable to. Only so much time and
>> budget for shows.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -
>> >>> Mike Hammett
>> >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> >>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> >>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>> >>>
>> >>> 
>> >>>
>> >>> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>> >>> To: af@afmug.com
>> >>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 1:03:43 AM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>> >>>
>> >>> 
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> It is a big upsetting...(but not really).  I *always* looked forward
>> to Animal Farm for the one-on-one with the guys who make the stuff we
>> use.   The WISPA shows are more for how to run a business and what WISPA
>> itself is doing for us on the hill.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Now - i'm extremely happy WISPA is helping to "fill in" for the farm
>> this year - - but now i have to choose between the WISPA sessions I always
>> look forward to and the Animal Farm sessions.  Boo!   Wish I could be in
>> more than one place at at time.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Might seriously look at recording the session or somethingi dunno
>> what they'll let me do...
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> (I know you were always against recording 

Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives

[Eric Kuhnke]

I hate to disappoint you Americans but Tim Hortons is terrible. The only
thing it has going for it is its huge number of locations. The coffee is
worse than McDonalds (yes, really, since McD in Canada buys from a roaster
that used to supply Starbucks).

About 10-15 years ago Tim Hortons sold itself to some corporate buyout
group to proceeded to stop the practice of baking fresh donuts, muffins etc
in each location. Instead they now receive cardboad boxes full of sad,
small, crusty, stale frozen donuts that go in an industrial microwave oven
every morning. All this in the name of profit, and because normal people
still want to pay $1 a donut, not the $2 it would probably cost if they
really baked them in house.


On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Poutine and a Blue, maybe some Tim Horton’s and maple syrup?
>
> *From:* Paul Stewart 
> *Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2016 6:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>
>
> ROFL … no we just drink beer and pop out of our igloos every so often ;)
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2016 9:36 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>
>
>
> Do you break out the real chocolate hot cocoa and the dancin mittens?
>
> On Jan 23, 2016 6:35 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
> >
> > Y’all need to come up to Canada and have an AnimalFarm up here – we know
> how to party ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
> > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:21 AM
> >
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
> >
> >
> >
> > Does SLC have Dunkin Donuts yet?  Waffle House?  OK, they have Dennys.
> How late is Arctic Circle open?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Mathew Howard
> >
> > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 10:07 AM
> >
> > To: af
> >
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
> >
> >
> >
> > What, you think we go all the way to Utah just for education? you've
> been missing out man...
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> party?   you guys party?   hell...I will have to let my hair down and
> join you guys,I thought it was all just education and tips with maybe a
> beer at some steakhouse.are folks allowed to be out after 9 pm in
> Utah?   .
> >>
> >>
> >> Jaime Solorza
> >>
> >> Wireless Systems Architect
> >>
> >> 915-861-1390
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> AF is the lowest cost show out there.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It is kinda like saying you are saying I have never been to a Grateful
> Dead Concert and I have no intention to.  AF is where the rockstars of the
> WISP world party.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Mike Hammett
> >>>
> >>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 6:23 AM
> >>>
> >>> To: af@afmug.com
> >>>
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Having never attended an AF (and no real intention to), I'm glad there
> will be some AF at a WISPA show. I don't have the time to go everywhere.
> There have been three or four conferences since WISPAPALOOZA that I've
> wanted to attend, but have been unable to. Only so much time and budget for
> shows.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>> Mike Hammett
> >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >>> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange
> >>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> >>> To: af@afmug.com
> >>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 1:03:43 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It is a big upsetting...(but not really).  I *always* looked forward
> to Animal Farm for the one-on-one with the guys who make the stuff we
> use.   The WISPA shows are more for how to run a business and what WISPA
> itself is doing for us on the hill.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Now - i'm extremely happy WISPA is helping to "fill in" for the farm
> this year - - but now i have to choose between the WISPA sessions I always
> look forward to and the Animal Farm sessions.  Boo!   Wish I could be in
> more than one place at at time.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Might seriously look at recording the session or somethingi dunno
> what they'll let me do...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> (I know you were always against recording and understandably so!)
> >>>
> >>>
> 
>  - Original Message -
> 
>  From: Chuck McCown
> 
>  To: af@afmug.com
> 
>  Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 11:38 PM
> 
>  Subject: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
> 
> 
> 
>  I got an ad from WISPA today saying AF is being blended with their
> Kentucky show in March.  We had discussed it but was uncertain that it was
> 100% on.  I guess it is. 

Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

A root beer has changed in the last quite few years.   It keeps getting
more 'soda-ey' insted of 'brew-ey'.

But now, you're talking about something which is definitely better in
Canada A food is 100% better north of the border.  See the menu at
www.aw.ca  

And let's not even start talking about chocolate.   Definitely better north
of the border.


On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:02 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> its like I tell my kids about original A root beer tasted allot better
> when I was kid...also Dr. Pepper tasted better...maybe its me...
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> I hate to disappoint you Americans but Tim Hortons is terrible. The only
>> thing it has going for it is its huge number of locations. The coffee is
>> worse than McDonalds (yes, really, since McD in Canada buys from a roaster
>> that used to supply Starbucks).
>>
>> About 10-15 years ago Tim Hortons sold itself to some corporate buyout
>> group to proceeded to stop the practice of baking fresh donuts, muffins etc
>> in each location. Instead they now receive cardboad boxes full of sad,
>> small, crusty, stale frozen donuts that go in an industrial microwave oven
>> every morning. All this in the name of profit, and because normal people
>> still want to pay $1 a donut, not the $2 it would probably cost if they
>> really baked them in house.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> Poutine and a Blue, maybe some Tim Horton’s and maple syrup?
>>>
>>> *From:* Paul Stewart 
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2016 6:40 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>>>
>>>
>>> ROFL … no we just drink beer and pop out of our igloos every so often ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>>> /sarcasm
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2016 9:36 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you break out the real chocolate hot cocoa and the dancin mittens?
>>>
>>> On Jan 23, 2016 6:35 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Y’all need to come up to Canada and have an AnimalFarm up here – we
>>> know how to party ;)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
>>> > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:21 AM
>>> >
>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Does SLC have Dunkin Donuts yet?  Waffle House?  OK, they have
>>> Dennys.  How late is Arctic Circle open?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: Mathew Howard
>>> >
>>> > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 10:07 AM
>>> >
>>> > To: af
>>> >
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > What, you think we go all the way to Utah just for education? you've
>>> been missing out man...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> party?   you guys party?   hell...I will have to let my hair down and
>>> join you guys,I thought it was all just education and tips with maybe a
>>> beer at some steakhouse.are folks allowed to be out after 9 pm in
>>> Utah?   .
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Jaime Solorza
>>> >>
>>> >> Wireless Systems Architect
>>> >>
>>> >> 915-861-1390
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Chuck McCown 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> AF is the lowest cost show out there.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It is kinda like saying you are saying I have never been to a
>>> Grateful Dead Concert and I have no intention to.  AF is where the
>>> rockstars of the WISP world party.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> From: Mike Hammett
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 6:23 AM
>>> >>>
>>> >>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Having never attended an AF (and no real intention to), I'm glad
>>> there will be some AF at a WISPA show. I don't have the time to go
>>> everywhere. There have been three or four conferences since WISPAPALOOZA
>>> that I've wanted to attend, but have been unable to. Only so much time and
>>> budget for shows.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -
>>> >>> Mike Hammett
>>> >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> >>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> >>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 
>>> >>>
>>> >>> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>>> >>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> >>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 1:03:43 AM
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It is a big upsetting...(but not really).  I *always* looked forward
>>> to Animal Farm for the one-on-one with the guys who 

Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Hmm... this sure doesn't match my experience with "Timmies".  But again,
I'm not a coffee drinker, and I have a slight addiction to timbits.
Thankfully they're only available north of the border.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> I hate to disappoint you Americans but Tim Hortons is terrible. The only
> thing it has going for it is its huge number of locations. The coffee is
> worse than McDonalds (yes, really, since McD in Canada buys from a roaster
> that used to supply Starbucks).
>
> About 10-15 years ago Tim Hortons sold itself to some corporate buyout
> group to proceeded to stop the practice of baking fresh donuts, muffins etc
> in each location. Instead they now receive cardboad boxes full of sad,
> small, crusty, stale frozen donuts that go in an industrial microwave oven
> every morning. All this in the name of profit, and because normal people
> still want to pay $1 a donut, not the $2 it would probably cost if they
> really baked them in house.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Poutine and a Blue, maybe some Tim Horton’s and maple syrup?
>>
>> *From:* Paul Stewart 
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2016 6:40 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>>
>>
>> ROFL … no we just drink beer and pop out of our igloos every so often ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>> /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2016 9:36 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you break out the real chocolate hot cocoa and the dancin mittens?
>>
>> On Jan 23, 2016 6:35 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>> >
>> > Y’all need to come up to Canada and have an AnimalFarm up here – we
>> know how to party ;)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
>> > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:21 AM
>> >
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Does SLC have Dunkin Donuts yet?  Waffle House?  OK, they have Dennys.
>> How late is Arctic Circle open?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Mathew Howard
>> >
>> > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 10:07 AM
>> >
>> > To: af
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > What, you think we go all the way to Utah just for education? you've
>> been missing out man...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> party?   you guys party?   hell...I will have to let my hair down and
>> join you guys,I thought it was all just education and tips with maybe a
>> beer at some steakhouse.are folks allowed to be out after 9 pm in
>> Utah?   .
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jaime Solorza
>> >>
>> >> Wireless Systems Architect
>> >>
>> >> 915-861-1390
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> AF is the lowest cost show out there.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> It is kinda like saying you are saying I have never been to a
>> Grateful Dead Concert and I have no intention to.  AF is where the
>> rockstars of the WISP world party.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> From: Mike Hammett
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 6:23 AM
>> >>>
>> >>> To: af@afmug.com
>> >>>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Having never attended an AF (and no real intention to), I'm glad
>> there will be some AF at a WISPA show. I don't have the time to go
>> everywhere. There have been three or four conferences since WISPAPALOOZA
>> that I've wanted to attend, but have been unable to. Only so much time and
>> budget for shows.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -
>> >>> Mike Hammett
>> >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> >>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> >>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>> >>>
>> >>> 
>> >>>
>> >>> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>> >>> To: af@afmug.com
>> >>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 1:03:43 AM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>> >>>
>> >>> 
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> It is a big upsetting...(but not really).  I *always* looked forward
>> to Animal Farm for the one-on-one with the guys who make the stuff we
>> use.   The WISPA shows are more for how to run a business and what WISPA
>> itself is doing for us on the hill.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Now - i'm extremely happy WISPA is helping to "fill in" for the farm
>> this year - - but now i have to choose between the WISPA sessions I always
>> look forward to and the Animal Farm sessions.  Boo!   Wish I could be in
>> more than one place at at time.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Might seriously look at recording the session or somethingi dunno
>> what they'll let me do...
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> (I know you were always against 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

[Christopher Gray]

I've heard decent things about the Grandstream DECT phones, but all 2nd
hand and never tried them. Anyone have experience with those?

A Wired Phone Question:
I use mostly Linksys / Cisco wired with good results (good sound quality,
good handsets). How does Polycom compare to the standard Cisco units?

--

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Anyone used the Panasonic sip phones?  I have a business office that
> doesn’t like the UBNT products due to the feel of the handset etc.  They
> also want a DECT wireless option.
>
> Personally I am OK with AASTRA but in this situation I am trying to make
> front office folks happy.  We will be turning down their old panasonic key
> system soon and I want to try to approximate the type of handset they have
> been using.  Could just swap handsets but they don’t work and they don’t
> fit the switchhook of the sip phones.
>

Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives

[Jeremy]

Funny, I built this yesterday.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> ROFL … no we just drink beer and pop out of our igloos every so often ;)
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2016 9:36 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>
>
>
> Do you break out the real chocolate hot cocoa and the dancin mittens?
>
> On Jan 23, 2016 6:35 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
> >
> > Y’all need to come up to Canada and have an AnimalFarm up here – we know
> how to party ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
> > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:21 AM
> >
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
> >
> >
> >
> > Does SLC have Dunkin Donuts yet?  Waffle House?  OK, they have Dennys.
> How late is Arctic Circle open?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Mathew Howard
> >
> > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 10:07 AM
> >
> > To: af
> >
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
> >
> >
> >
> > What, you think we go all the way to Utah just for education? you've
> been missing out man...
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> party?   you guys party?   hell...I will have to let my hair down and
> join you guys,I thought it was all just education and tips with maybe a
> beer at some steakhouse.are folks allowed to be out after 9 pm in
> Utah?   .
> >>
> >>
> >> Jaime Solorza
> >>
> >> Wireless Systems Architect
> >>
> >> 915-861-1390
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> AF is the lowest cost show out there.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It is kinda like saying you are saying I have never been to a Grateful
> Dead Concert and I have no intention to.  AF is where the rockstars of the
> WISP world party.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Mike Hammett
> >>>
> >>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 6:23 AM
> >>>
> >>> To: af@afmug.com
> >>>
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Having never attended an AF (and no real intention to), I'm glad there
> will be some AF at a WISPA show. I don't have the time to go everywhere.
> There have been three or four conferences since WISPAPALOOZA that I've
> wanted to attend, but have been unable to. Only so much time and budget for
> shows.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>> Mike Hammett
> >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >>> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange
> >>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> >>> To: af@afmug.com
> >>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 1:03:43 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It is a big upsetting...(but not really).  I *always* looked forward
> to Animal Farm for the one-on-one with the guys who make the stuff we
> use.   The WISPA shows are more for how to run a business and what WISPA
> itself is doing for us on the hill.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Now - i'm extremely happy WISPA is helping to "fill in" for the farm
> this year - - but now i have to choose between the WISPA sessions I always
> look forward to and the Animal Farm sessions.  Boo!   Wish I could be in
> more than one place at at time.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Might seriously look at recording the session or somethingi dunno
> what they'll let me do...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> (I know you were always against recording and understandably so!)
> >>>
> >>>
> 
>  - Original Message -
> 
>  From: Chuck McCown
> 
>  To: af@afmug.com
> 
>  Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 11:38 PM
> 
>  Subject: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
> 
> 
> 
>  I got an ad from WISPA today saying AF is being blended with their
> Kentucky show in March.  We had discussed it but was uncertain that it was
> 100% on.  I guess it is.  See y’all in March.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives

[Sean Heskett]

That's awesome 

On Monday, January 25, 2016, Jeremy  wrote:

> Funny, I built this yesterday.
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Paul Stewart  > wrote:
>
>> ROFL … no we just drink beer and pop out of our igloos every so often ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *That
>> One Guy /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2016 9:36 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you break out the real chocolate hot cocoa and the dancin mittens?
>>
>> On Jan 23, 2016 6:35 AM, "Paul Stewart" > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Y’all need to come up to Canada and have an AnimalFarm up here – we
>> know how to party ;)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] On Behalf Of Ken
>> Hohhof
>> > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:21 AM
>> >
>> > To: af@afmug.com 
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Does SLC have Dunkin Donuts yet?  Waffle House?  OK, they have Dennys.
>> How late is Arctic Circle open?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Mathew Howard
>> >
>> > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 10:07 AM
>> >
>> > To: af
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > What, you think we go all the way to Utah just for education? you've
>> been missing out man...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> party?   you guys party?   hell...I will have to let my hair down and
>> join you guys,I thought it was all just education and tips with maybe a
>> beer at some steakhouse.are folks allowed to be out after 9 pm in
>> Utah?   .
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jaime Solorza
>> >>
>> >> Wireless Systems Architect
>> >>
>> >> 915-861-1390
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Chuck McCown > > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> AF is the lowest cost show out there.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> It is kinda like saying you are saying I have never been to a
>> Grateful Dead Concert and I have no intention to.  AF is where the
>> rockstars of the WISP world party.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> From: Mike Hammett
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 6:23 AM
>> >>>
>> >>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> >>>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Having never attended an AF (and no real intention to), I'm glad
>> there will be some AF at a WISPA show. I don't have the time to go
>> everywhere. There have been three or four conferences since WISPAPALOOZA
>> that I've wanted to attend, but have been unable to. Only so much time and
>> budget for shows.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -
>> >>> Mike Hammett
>> >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> >>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> >>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>> >>>
>> >>> 
>> >>>
>> >>> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" > >
>> >>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> >>> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 1:03:43 AM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>> >>>
>> >>> 
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> It is a big upsetting...(but not really).  I *always* looked forward
>> to Animal Farm for the one-on-one with the guys who make the stuff we
>> use.   The WISPA shows are more for how to run a business and what WISPA
>> itself is doing for us on the hill.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Now - i'm extremely happy WISPA is helping to "fill in" for the farm
>> this year - - but now i have to choose between the WISPA sessions I always
>> look forward to and the Animal Farm sessions.  Boo!   Wish I could be in
>> more than one place at at time.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Might seriously look at recording the session or somethingi dunno
>> what they'll let me do...
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> (I know you were always against recording and understandably so!)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> 
>>  - Original Message -
>> 
>>  From: Chuck McCown
>> 
>>  To: af@afmug.com 
>> 
>>  Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 11:38 PM
>> 
>>  Subject: [AFMUG] AnimalFarm Lives
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  I got an ad from WISPA today saying AF is being blended with their
>> Kentucky show in March.  We had discussed it but was uncertain that it was
>> 100% on.  I guess it is.  

Re: [AFMUG] Redundancy at core router

[Faisal Imtiaz]

If you are doing BGP, you can setup two routers, each doing bgp to one of the 
upstreams, and ibgp between the two. 

This make a lot of sense, from redundancy as well as the ability to do 
maintenance, without causing an outage. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "TJ Trout" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 12:44:32 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Redundancy at core router

> I currently have 2 upstream's and only 1 router, planning to add a second 
> router
> for redundancy, is it over kill (or even possible?) to get each upstream to
> allocate 2 ports on their router so that each of my routers will have 2
> upsteams or is it more than sufficient to just do 1 upstream per router? It's
> extremely unlikely to have 1 upstream and one router fail at the same time, I
> think.
> Does that make since?

Re: [AFMUG] Redundancy at core router

[Mathew Howard]

Whether or not it's possible, I don't know... but it definitely seems like
overkill to me. I would just do one upstream per router and iBGP between
them.

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 11:44 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> I currently have 2 upstream's and only 1 router, planning to add a second
> router for redundancy, is it over kill (or even possible?) to get each
> upstream to allocate 2 ports on their router so that each of my routers
> will have 2 upsteams or is it more than sufficient to just do 1 upstream
> per router? It's extremely unlikely to have 1 upstream and one router fail
> at the same time, I think.
>
> Does that make since?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Redundancy at core router

[Dennis Burgess]

All up to the upstream, I have seen some, some will allocate one port, then 
give you a /29 so you can split it.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – 
www.linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 11:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Redundancy at core router

I currently have 2 upstream's and only 1 router, planning to add a second 
router for redundancy, is it over kill (or even possible?) to get each upstream 
to allocate 2 ports on their router so that each of my routers will have 2 
upsteams or is it more than sufficient to just do 1 upstream per router? It's 
extremely unlikely to have 1 upstream and one router fail at the same time, I 
think.

Does that make since?

Re: [AFMUG] Redundancy at core router

[Josh Baird]

The most common scenario is one upstream per router.  Run eBGP with your
providers, and iBGP between your two edge routers.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:44 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> I currently have 2 upstream's and only 1 router, planning to add a second
> router for redundancy, is it over kill (or even possible?) to get each
> upstream to allocate 2 ports on their router so that each of my routers
> will have 2 upsteams or is it more than sufficient to just do 1 upstream
> per router? It's extremely unlikely to have 1 upstream and one router fail
> at the same time, I think.
>
> Does that make since?
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

[Sterling Jacobson]

I would vote for her.

Tina, not Sarah ☺

Trump is just Trump.

I’m sad America has come to this, where a “Trump” could even be considered for 
our most highest office in our country.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 11:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

Tina Fey for President!!!

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-iowa-president-rally-republican-2016-1#ooid=s3MGViMDE6WalVAzxaVCZrjPrVVGfYGy

https://youtu.be/0pinZNYxQeo

Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

[Bill Prince]

Now that's the best candidate I've heard of all year!

bp


On 1/25/2016 10:34 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:

Tina Fey for President!!!

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown > wrote:



http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-iowa-president-rally-republican-2016-1#ooid=s3MGViMDE6WalVAzxaVCZrjPrVVGfYGy
https://youtu.be/0pinZNYxQeo

Re: [AFMUG] 5ms frame on 450

[Eric Muehleisen]

All of the above. This particular tower has 12 AP's installed. It's
physically overloaded and shares spectrum with two other towers in the
area.

We have several 1x and 2x subs on each AP that need to be
improved/removed. According to the capacity planner this may be our
best bet in providing some breathing room.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> is adding an AP physically tough (tower space, winter time etc.) or
> logically tough (not enough spectrum)?
>
> just curious
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
> wrote:
>>
>> Sean, I think you're correct. Adding an additional AP will be tough in
>> this particular situation. Just trying to squeeze as much as we can
>> our of this AP.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>> > If it was me, I'd just deploy another AP instead of trying to tweak the
>> > frame for just a little bit more speed.  you'll end up back at 100%
>> > capacity
>> > in no time with the frame tweaks.  with adding an AP that should solve
>> > the
>> > problem for at least a year.
>> >
>> > 2 cents
>> >
>> > -Sean
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Eric Muehleisen 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I had the same question. I'm considering changing an AP from 2.5ms to
>> >> 5ms. I'm aware of the doubled latency, but I'm more interested in the
>> >> additional 7mb/s downlink (according to 450 capacity planner).
>> >>
>> >> We have an AP with ~50 subs and it reaches 100% downlink every
>> >> evening. I'm considering changing downlink from 75% to 85% and moving
>> >> to 5ms frames. By doing so, we should increase capacity by 9 to 11mb/s
>> >> on the downlink.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Vlad Sedov  wrote:
>> >> > Hey folks.
>> >> >
>> >> > Has anyone experimented with 5ms frame on pmp450 or the 450i? Last
>> >> > couple of
>> >> > times I tried it, it seemed like overall throughput on the AP was
>> >> > slightly
>> >> > worse than on 2.5ms, even though radio to radio link tests were
>> >> > higher.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > peace
>> >> >
>> >> > Vlad
>> >
>> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5ms frame on 450

[Ken Hohhof]

Wouldn't you have to change all your APs to 5 ms frame?

Really, gotta fix those 1X and 2X subs.

Can you add an AP in 5.1 GHz?


-Original Message- 
From: Eric Muehleisen

Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5ms frame on 450

All of the above. This particular tower has 12 AP's installed. It's
physically overloaded and shares spectrum with two other towers in the
area.

We have several 1x and 2x subs on each AP that need to be
improved/removed. According to the capacity planner this may be our
best bet in providing some breathing room.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

is adding an AP physically tough (tower space, winter time etc.) or
logically tough (not enough spectrum)?

just curious


On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
wrote:


Sean, I think you're correct. Adding an additional AP will be tough in
this particular situation. Just trying to squeeze as much as we can
our of this AP.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> If it was me, I'd just deploy another AP instead of trying to tweak the
> frame for just a little bit more speed.  you'll end up back at 100%
> capacity
> in no time with the frame tweaks.  with adding an AP that should solve
> the
> problem for at least a year.
>
> 2 cents
>
> -Sean
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Eric Muehleisen 
> wrote:
>>
>> I had the same question. I'm considering changing an AP from 2.5ms to
>> 5ms. I'm aware of the doubled latency, but I'm more interested in the
>> additional 7mb/s downlink (according to 450 capacity planner).
>>
>> We have an AP with ~50 subs and it reaches 100% downlink every
>> evening. I'm considering changing downlink from 75% to 85% and moving
>> to 5ms frames. By doing so, we should increase capacity by 9 to 11mb/s
>> on the downlink.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Vlad Sedov  wrote:
>> > Hey folks.
>> >
>> > Has anyone experimented with 5ms frame on pmp450 or the 450i? Last
>> > couple of
>> > times I tried it, it seemed like overall throughput on the AP was
>> > slightly
>> > worse than on 2.5ms, even though radio to radio link tests were
>> > higher.
>> >
>> >
>> > peace
>> >
>> > Vlad
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for service out west

[Josh Luthman]

Obviously the Arby's in Vegas =P


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> I thought Las Vegas was in Nevada?
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/25/2016 11:49 AM, George Skorup wrote:
>
>> Hit me off list if you can get wireless to these locations.
>>
>> 2791 Lenwood Rd, Barstow, CA 92311
>>
>> 2590 E. Tropicana, Las Vegas, CA 89109
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5ms frame on 450

[Eric Muehleisen]

Ken,

Correct, we would have to make a network wide change to 5ms. That's a
bummer and hope to avoid. Our first call to action is to
correct/improve SM's with poor links and go from there. I'm
considering a move from 75% downlink to 85% downlink as well.

Is 5.1 & 5.2 available in the 450 platform? Last I heard it was
different hardware and not compatible with 5.4/5.7 450. Carrying all
new 5.1ghz SM's is a pain, but doable if we have to.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> Wouldn't you have to change all your APs to 5 ms frame?
>
> Really, gotta fix those 1X and 2X subs.
>
> Can you add an AP in 5.1 GHz?
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Eric Muehleisen
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:42 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5ms frame on 450
>
> All of the above. This particular tower has 12 AP's installed. It's
> physically overloaded and shares spectrum with two other towers in the
> area.
>
> We have several 1x and 2x subs on each AP that need to be
> improved/removed. According to the capacity planner this may be our
> best bet in providing some breathing room.
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> is adding an AP physically tough (tower space, winter time etc.) or
>> logically tough (not enough spectrum)?
>>
>> just curious
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Sean, I think you're correct. Adding an additional AP will be tough in
>>> this particular situation. Just trying to squeeze as much as we can
>>> our of this AP.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>> > If it was me, I'd just deploy another AP instead of trying to tweak the
>>> > frame for just a little bit more speed.  you'll end up back at 100%
>>> > capacity
>>> > in no time with the frame tweaks.  with adding an AP that should solve
>>> > the
>>> > problem for at least a year.
>>> >
>>> > 2 cents
>>> >
>>> > -Sean
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Eric Muehleisen 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I had the same question. I'm considering changing an AP from 2.5ms to
>>> >> 5ms. I'm aware of the doubled latency, but I'm more interested in the
>>> >> additional 7mb/s downlink (according to 450 capacity planner).
>>> >>
>>> >> We have an AP with ~50 subs and it reaches 100% downlink every
>>> >> evening. I'm considering changing downlink from 75% to 85% and moving
>>> >> to 5ms frames. By doing so, we should increase capacity by 9 to 11mb/s
>>> >> on the downlink.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Vlad Sedov  wrote:
>>> >> > Hey folks.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Has anyone experimented with 5ms frame on pmp450 or the 450i? Last
>>> >> > couple of
>>> >> > times I tried it, it seemed like overall throughput on the AP was
>>> >> > slightly
>>> >> > worse than on 2.5ms, even though radio to radio link tests were
>>> >> > higher.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > peace
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Vlad
>>> >
>>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for service out west

[Bill Prince]

I thought Las Vegas was in Nevada?

bp


On 1/25/2016 11:49 AM, George Skorup wrote:

Hit me off list if you can get wireless to these locations.

2791 Lenwood Rd, Barstow, CA 92311

2590 E. Tropicana, Las Vegas, CA 89109

Re: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

[Chuck McCown]

Very old news... (still a shareholder)

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 12:53 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

Whoa   hold the phone!  What happened to Beehive Telephone Company et al?  Are 
you and Pencey no longer one? 

On Jan 25, 2016 12:47 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Anyone used the Panasonic sip phones?  I have a business office that doesn’t 
like the UBNT products due to the feel of the handset etc.  They also want a 
DECT wireless option.  

  Personally I am OK with AASTRA but in this situation I am trying to make 
front office folks happy.  We will be turning down their old panasonic key 
system soon and I want to try to approximate the type of handset they have been 
using.  Could just swap handsets but they don’t work and they don’t fit the 
switchhook of the sip phones.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

[Nate Burke]

What issues did you have with the 6104?  Were you using analog trunk 
lines?  I haven't done any yet that weren't sip, but I have one coming up.


On 1/25/2016 2:06 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

6104 is the model we had issues with. I deployed 2160's and 2140's.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

I've been very happy with the Grandstream phones  2140 and 2160.  I really
like that the 2160 has the sidecar built in, no need to add anything extra.
Only have had 1 failure so far.  Phone had the display go out.  RMA'd
without an issue.  While finding a hefty piece of wood to knock on, I
haven't had any stability issues with the 6104.  Started deploying them
about a year and a half ago. Price is definitely good too.

On 1/25/2016 1:56 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Man, the Greandstream UCM platform is *pretty darn good*, but I had
some stability issues on the 6104. I really want to like it and for it
to work, but it has some quirks. It's stupid easy to use, and sitll
lets you drop down and debug asterisk directly.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

I recently did an install replacing an old Toshiba PBX and used
Grandstream
phones, but it was also using a Grandstream PBX (UCM) which had the
advantage of zero touch config.  Not sure if you are configuring the
phones
via TFTP or manually.

For this customer we did put in one of the Grandstream DECT phones
(DP715)
and it worked fine.  Haven�t tried adding more DECT handsets to the
base
yet, but is supposed to work.

What is it they like about the Panasonic phones?


From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

Anyone used the Panasonic sip phones?  I have a business office that
doesn�t
like the UBNT products due to the feel of the handset etc.  They also
want a
DECT wireless option.

Personally I am OK with AASTRA but in this situation I am trying to make
front office folks happy.  We will be turning down their old panasonic
key
system soon and I want to try to approximate the type of handset they
have
been using.  Could just swap handsets but they don�t work and they
don�t fit
the switchhook of the sip phones.

Re: [AFMUG] 5ms frame on 450

[Ken Hohhof]

I believe it is 450i at AP and SM.  So it would kind of make sense only to 
move over some high bandwidth customers and offload the existing AP.



-Original Message- 
From: Eric Muehleisen

Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5ms frame on 450

Ken,

Correct, we would have to make a network wide change to 5ms. That's a
bummer and hope to avoid. Our first call to action is to
correct/improve SM's with poor links and go from there. I'm
considering a move from 75% downlink to 85% downlink as well.

Is 5.1 & 5.2 available in the 450 platform? Last I heard it was
different hardware and not compatible with 5.4/5.7 450. Carrying all
new 5.1ghz SM's is a pain, but doable if we have to.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Wouldn't you have to change all your APs to 5 ms frame?

Really, gotta fix those 1X and 2X subs.

Can you add an AP in 5.1 GHz?


-Original Message- From: Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5ms frame on 450

All of the above. This particular tower has 12 AP's installed. It's
physically overloaded and shares spectrum with two other towers in the
area.

We have several 1x and 2x subs on each AP that need to be
improved/removed. According to the capacity planner this may be our
best bet in providing some breathing room.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:


is adding an AP physically tough (tower space, winter time etc.) or
logically tough (not enough spectrum)?

just curious


On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
wrote:



Sean, I think you're correct. Adding an additional AP will be tough in
this particular situation. Just trying to squeeze as much as we can
our of this AP.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> If it was me, I'd just deploy another AP instead of trying to tweak 
> the

> frame for just a little bit more speed.  you'll end up back at 100%
> capacity
> in no time with the frame tweaks.  with adding an AP that should solve
> the
> problem for at least a year.
>
> 2 cents
>
> -Sean
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Eric Muehleisen 
> wrote:
>>
>> I had the same question. I'm considering changing an AP from 2.5ms to
>> 5ms. I'm aware of the doubled latency, but I'm more interested in the
>> additional 7mb/s downlink (according to 450 capacity planner).
>>
>> We have an AP with ~50 subs and it reaches 100% downlink every
>> evening. I'm considering changing downlink from 75% to 85% and moving
>> to 5ms frames. By doing so, we should increase capacity by 9 to 
>> 11mb/s

>> on the downlink.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Vlad Sedov  wrote:
>> > Hey folks.
>> >
>> > Has anyone experimented with 5ms frame on pmp450 or the 450i? Last
>> > couple of
>> > times I tried it, it seemed like overall throughput on the AP was
>> > slightly
>> > worse than on 2.5ms, even though radio to radio link tests were
>> > higher.
>> >
>> >
>> > peace
>> >
>> > Vlad
>
>

[AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU access cabling?

[Gino Villarini]

A local provider wired a whole business MDU.  We are trying to light up a
customer on the premises.  They are charging ridiculous fees to access the
cabling. Is this legal?

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for service out west

[George Skorup]

I copied and pasted the info I was provided. Obviously a typo being that 
the ZIP is correct.


On 1/25/2016 1:55 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Obviously the Arby's in Vegas =P


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:


I thought Las Vegas was in Nevada?

bp



On 1/25/2016 11:49 AM, George Skorup wrote:

Hit me off list if you can get wireless to these locations.

2791 Lenwood Rd, Barstow, CA 92311

2590 E. Tropicana, Las Vegas, CA 89109

Re: [AFMUG] 5ms frame on 450

[Sean Heskett]

gotcha.  we have a tower like that on our network and i'm considering using
the new KP performance antennas that you can plug two APs into one
antenna.  I think we will also change out the APs for 450i this summer to
get more PPS etc.

i feel your pain.  seems like just as we get things upgraded something else
need attention lol...great job security tho ;-)

-sean


On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
wrote:

> All of the above. This particular tower has 12 AP's installed. It's
> physically overloaded and shares spectrum with two other towers in the
> area.
>
> We have several 1x and 2x subs on each AP that need to be
> improved/removed. According to the capacity planner this may be our
> best bet in providing some breathing room.
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> > is adding an AP physically tough (tower space, winter time etc.) or
> > logically tough (not enough spectrum)?
> >
> > just curious
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Sean, I think you're correct. Adding an additional AP will be tough in
> >> this particular situation. Just trying to squeeze as much as we can
> >> our of this AP.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> >> > If it was me, I'd just deploy another AP instead of trying to tweak
> the
> >> > frame for just a little bit more speed.  you'll end up back at 100%
> >> > capacity
> >> > in no time with the frame tweaks.  with adding an AP that should solve
> >> > the
> >> > problem for at least a year.
> >> >
> >> > 2 cents
> >> >
> >> > -Sean
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Eric Muehleisen 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I had the same question. I'm considering changing an AP from 2.5ms to
> >> >> 5ms. I'm aware of the doubled latency, but I'm more interested in the
> >> >> additional 7mb/s downlink (according to 450 capacity planner).
> >> >>
> >> >> We have an AP with ~50 subs and it reaches 100% downlink every
> >> >> evening. I'm considering changing downlink from 75% to 85% and moving
> >> >> to 5ms frames. By doing so, we should increase capacity by 9 to
> 11mb/s
> >> >> on the downlink.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Vlad Sedov 
> wrote:
> >> >> > Hey folks.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Has anyone experimented with 5ms frame on pmp450 or the 450i? Last
> >> >> > couple of
> >> >> > times I tried it, it seemed like overall throughput on the AP was
> >> >> > slightly
> >> >> > worse than on 2.5ms, even though radio to radio link tests were
> >> >> > higher.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > peace
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Vlad
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5ms frame on 450

[Bill Prince]

Another argument for 30° sectors.

Real tight; higher gain; better F/B ratio.

bp


On 1/25/2016 11:42 AM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:

All of the above. This particular tower has 12 AP's installed. It's
physically overloaded and shares spectrum with two other towers in the
area.

We have several 1x and 2x subs on each AP that need to be
improved/removed. According to the capacity planner this may be our
best bet in providing some breathing room.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

is adding an AP physically tough (tower space, winter time etc.) or
logically tough (not enough spectrum)?

just curious


On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
wrote:

Sean, I think you're correct. Adding an additional AP will be tough in
this particular situation. Just trying to squeeze as much as we can
our of this AP.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

If it was me, I'd just deploy another AP instead of trying to tweak the
frame for just a little bit more speed.  you'll end up back at 100%
capacity
in no time with the frame tweaks.  with adding an AP that should solve
the
problem for at least a year.

2 cents

-Sean

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Eric Muehleisen 
wrote:

I had the same question. I'm considering changing an AP from 2.5ms to
5ms. I'm aware of the doubled latency, but I'm more interested in the
additional 7mb/s downlink (according to 450 capacity planner).

We have an AP with ~50 subs and it reaches 100% downlink every
evening. I'm considering changing downlink from 75% to 85% and moving
to 5ms frames. By doing so, we should increase capacity by 9 to 11mb/s
on the downlink.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Vlad Sedov  wrote:

Hey folks.

Has anyone experimented with 5ms frame on pmp450 or the 450i? Last
couple of
times I tried it, it seemed like overall throughput on the AP was
slightly
worse than on 2.5ms, even though radio to radio link tests were
higher.


peace

Vlad

Re: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

[Ken Hohhof]

I recently did an install replacing an old Toshiba PBX and used Grandstream 
phones, but it was also using a Grandstream PBX (UCM) which had the advantage 
of zero touch config.  Not sure if you are configuring the phones via TFTP or 
manually.

For this customer we did put in one of the Grandstream DECT phones (DP715) and 
it worked fine.  Haven’t tried adding more DECT handsets to the base yet, but 
is supposed to work.

What is it they like about the Panasonic phones?


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

Anyone used the Panasonic sip phones?  I have a business office that doesn’t 
like the UBNT products due to the feel of the handset etc.  They also want a 
DECT wireless option.  

Personally I am OK with AASTRA but in this situation I am trying to make front 
office folks happy.  We will be turning down their old panasonic key system 
soon and I want to try to approximate the type of handset they have been using. 
 Could just swap handsets but they don’t work and they don’t fit the switchhook 
of the sip phones.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

We use(d) them, Im partial to the Fortinet ones (rebranded 3com I believe)
pana anything always has a proprietary blend

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Our VOIP provider pushes these.  Few people in our office building have
> started using them.  Seems to work pretty well with Broadsoft.
>
> I'm still stuck on my Cisco 7960.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Anyone used the Panasonic sip phones?  I have a business office that
>> doesn’t like the UBNT products due to the feel of the handset etc.  They
>> also want a DECT wireless option.
>>
>> Personally I am OK with AASTRA but in this situation I am trying to make
>> front office folks happy.  We will be turning down their old panasonic key
>> system soon and I want to try to approximate the type of handset they have
>> been using.  Could just swap handsets but they don’t work and they don’t
>> fit the switchhook of the sip phones.
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

[Jaime Solorza]

Whoa   hold the phone!  What happened to Beehive Telephone Company et al?
Are you and Pencey no longer one?
On Jan 25, 2016 12:47 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Anyone used the Panasonic sip phones?  I have a business office that
> doesn’t like the UBNT products due to the feel of the handset etc.  They
> also want a DECT wireless option.
>
> Personally I am OK with AASTRA but in this situation I am trying to make
> front office folks happy.  We will be turning down their old panasonic key
> system soon and I want to try to approximate the type of handset they have
> been using.  Could just swap handsets but they don’t work and they don’t
> fit the switchhook of the sip phones.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

[Josh Reynolds]

Yes, 4 FXO's :/

Random crashes/reboots of the unit after a certain firmware. Don't
remember the version. This was between 6-12 months ago.

Also had quite an echo problem on the FXO's that we couldn't resolve,
despite changing volume settings and other things (codecs, etc). Other
users reported the same FXO issues and grandstream never responded
other than going through the normal troubleshooting steps. It was
reproducable.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> What issues did you have with the 6104?  Were you using analog trunk lines?
> I haven't done any yet that weren't sip, but I have one coming up.
>
> On 1/25/2016 2:06 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> 6104 is the model we had issues with. I deployed 2160's and 2140's.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been very happy with the Grandstream phones  2140 and 2160.  I
>>> really
>>> like that the 2160 has the sidecar built in, no need to add anything
>>> extra.
>>> Only have had 1 failure so far.  Phone had the display go out.  RMA'd
>>> without an issue.  While finding a hefty piece of wood to knock on, I
>>> haven't had any stability issues with the 6104.  Started deploying them
>>> about a year and a half ago. Price is definitely good too.
>>>
>>> On 1/25/2016 1:56 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

 Man, the Greandstream UCM platform is *pretty darn good*, but I had
 some stability issues on the 6104. I really want to like it and for it
 to work, but it has some quirks. It's stupid easy to use, and sitll
 lets you drop down and debug asterisk directly.

 On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I recently did an install replacing an old Toshiba PBX and used
> Grandstream
> phones, but it was also using a Grandstream PBX (UCM) which had the
> advantage of zero touch config.  Not sure if you are configuring the
> phones
> via TFTP or manually.
>
> For this customer we did put in one of the Grandstream DECT phones
> (DP715)
> and it worked fine.  Haven�t tried adding more DECT handsets to the
> base
> yet, but is supposed to work.
>
> What is it they like about the Panasonic phones?
>
>
> From: Chuck McCown
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:47 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones
>
> Anyone used the Panasonic sip phones?  I have a business office that
> doesn�t
> like the UBNT products due to the feel of the handset etc.  They also
> want a
> DECT wireless option.
>
> Personally I am OK with AASTRA but in this situation I am trying to
> make
> front office folks happy.  We will be turning down their old panasonic
> key
> system soon and I want to try to approximate the type of handset they
> have
> been using.  Could just swap handsets but they don�t work and they
> don�t fit
> the switchhook of the sip phones.
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU access cabling?

[Chuck McCown]

If the owner of the property agrees it is probably legal.
If the owner of the cabling is not a regulated public utility it is probably 
legal.  

If it has been wired by a public utility then you should have some rights to 
use the wiring.  Otherwise all bets are off.  

Be best to negotiate with the owner of the MDU and run your own wiring if 
possible.  

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:12 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU access cabling?

A local provider wired a whole business MDU.  We are trying to light up a 
customer on the premises.  They are charging ridiculous fees to access the 
cabling. Is this legal? 

Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU access cabling?

[George Skorup]

"Wired" with what?

On 1/25/2016 2:12 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
A local provider wired a whole business MDU.  We are trying to light 
up a customer on the premises.  They are charging ridiculous fees to 
access the cabling. Is this legal?

Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU accesscabling?

[Gino Villarini]



On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I would get your potential new customer to go visit with the owner of the
> MDU and explain to them how the monopoly play is harming their ability to
> do business with competitors that provide a better value.
>
> The MDU owner will listen to their tenant more than they will listen to
> you.
>
> *From:* Gino Villarini 
> *Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2016 1:22 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU
> accesscabling?
>
> owners sent us to them (other provider)
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Why are you listening to them?  Or talking to them?  Why can't you talk
>> to the building owner.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Gino Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> its cat5 and fiber.  We want to bypass it... but cable owner says we
>>> "have" to use it
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Phone and coax are owned by the property no matter who installed it.

 Fiber and cat5/6 Ethernet is still kind of a grey area that hasn't been
 determined.  But would probably follow the same rules.

 On Monday, January 25, 2016, Gino Villarini 
 wrote:

> A local provider wired a whole business MDU.  We are trying to light
> up a customer on the premises.  They are charging ridiculous fees to 
> access
> the cabling. Is this legal?
>

>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

[Nate Burke]

Good to know, I was going to use a 6104 to replace an analog system, 
maybe I'll look harder at moving it to SIP.


On 1/25/2016 2:11 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Yes, 4 FXO's :/

Random crashes/reboots of the unit after a certain firmware. Don't
remember the version. This was between 6-12 months ago.

Also had quite an echo problem on the FXO's that we couldn't resolve,
despite changing volume settings and other things (codecs, etc). Other
users reported the same FXO issues and grandstream never responded
other than going through the normal troubleshooting steps. It was
reproducable.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

What issues did you have with the 6104?  Were you using analog trunk lines?
I haven't done any yet that weren't sip, but I have one coming up.

On 1/25/2016 2:06 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

6104 is the model we had issues with. I deployed 2160's and 2140's.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

I've been very happy with the Grandstream phones  2140 and 2160.  I
really
like that the 2160 has the sidecar built in, no need to add anything
extra.
Only have had 1 failure so far.  Phone had the display go out.  RMA'd
without an issue.  While finding a hefty piece of wood to knock on, I
haven't had any stability issues with the 6104.  Started deploying them
about a year and a half ago. Price is definitely good too.

On 1/25/2016 1:56 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Man, the Greandstream UCM platform is *pretty darn good*, but I had
some stability issues on the 6104. I really want to like it and for it
to work, but it has some quirks. It's stupid easy to use, and sitll
lets you drop down and debug asterisk directly.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

I recently did an install replacing an old Toshiba PBX and used
Grandstream
phones, but it was also using a Grandstream PBX (UCM) which had the
advantage of zero touch config.  Not sure if you are configuring the
phones
via TFTP or manually.

For this customer we did put in one of the Grandstream DECT phones
(DP715)
and it worked fine.  Haven�t tried adding more DECT handsets to the
base
yet, but is supposed to work.

What is it they like about the Panasonic phones?


From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

Anyone used the Panasonic sip phones?  I have a business office that
doesn�t
like the UBNT products due to the feel of the handset etc.  They also
want a
DECT wireless option.

Personally I am OK with AASTRA but in this situation I am trying to
make
front office folks happy.  We will be turning down their old panasonic
key
system soon and I want to try to approximate the type of handset they
have
been using.  Could just swap handsets but they don�t work and they
don�t fit
the switchhook of the sip phones.

Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDUaccesscabling?

[Chuck McCown]

If you want the buildings burnt down, just blink.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDUaccesscabling?

are you saying you need some buildings burned down? Because Im hearing you need 
some buildings burned down

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

  


  On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I would get your potential new customer to go visit with the owner of the 
MDU and explain to them how the monopoly play is harming their ability to do 
business with competitors that provide a better value.  

The MDU owner will listen to their tenant more than they will listen to 
you.  

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:22 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU 
accesscabling?

owners sent us to them (other provider)

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  Why are you listening to them?  Or talking to them?  Why can't you talk 
to the building owner.



  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Gino Villarini  
wrote:

its cat5 and fiber.  We want to bypass it... but cable owner says we 
"have" to use it

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

  Phone and coax are owned by the property no matter who installed it. 

  Fiber and cat5/6 Ethernet is still kind of a grey area that hasn't 
been determined.  But would probably follow the same rules.


  On Monday, January 25, 2016, Gino Villarini  
wrote:

A local provider wired a whole business MDU.  We are trying to 
light up a customer on the premises.  They are charging ridiculous fees to 
access the cabling. Is this legal? 








-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 5ms frame on 450

[Mathew Howard]

You have to use 450i to get 5.1

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

> Ken,
>
> Correct, we would have to make a network wide change to 5ms. That's a
> bummer and hope to avoid. Our first call to action is to
> correct/improve SM's with poor links and go from there. I'm
> considering a move from 75% downlink to 85% downlink as well.
>
> Is 5.1 & 5.2 available in the 450 platform? Last I heard it was
> different hardware and not compatible with 5.4/5.7 450. Carrying all
> new 5.1ghz SM's is a pain, but doable if we have to.
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> > Wouldn't you have to change all your APs to 5 ms frame?
> >
> > Really, gotta fix those 1X and 2X subs.
> >
> > Can you add an AP in 5.1 GHz?
> >
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Eric Muehleisen
> > Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:42 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5ms frame on 450
> >
> > All of the above. This particular tower has 12 AP's installed. It's
> > physically overloaded and shares spectrum with two other towers in the
> > area.
> >
> > We have several 1x and 2x subs on each AP that need to be
> > improved/removed. According to the capacity planner this may be our
> > best bet in providing some breathing room.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:38 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> >>
> >> is adding an AP physically tough (tower space, winter time etc.) or
> >> logically tough (not enough spectrum)?
> >>
> >> just curious
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sean, I think you're correct. Adding an additional AP will be tough in
> >>> this particular situation. Just trying to squeeze as much as we can
> >>> our of this AP.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
> >>> > If it was me, I'd just deploy another AP instead of trying to tweak
> the
> >>> > frame for just a little bit more speed.  you'll end up back at 100%
> >>> > capacity
> >>> > in no time with the frame tweaks.  with adding an AP that should
> solve
> >>> > the
> >>> > problem for at least a year.
> >>> >
> >>> > 2 cents
> >>> >
> >>> > -Sean
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Eric Muehleisen  >
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I had the same question. I'm considering changing an AP from 2.5ms
> to
> >>> >> 5ms. I'm aware of the doubled latency, but I'm more interested in
> the
> >>> >> additional 7mb/s downlink (according to 450 capacity planner).
> >>> >>
> >>> >> We have an AP with ~50 subs and it reaches 100% downlink every
> >>> >> evening. I'm considering changing downlink from 75% to 85% and
> moving
> >>> >> to 5ms frames. By doing so, we should increase capacity by 9 to
> 11mb/s
> >>> >> on the downlink.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Vlad Sedov 
> wrote:
> >>> >> > Hey folks.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Has anyone experimented with 5ms frame on pmp450 or the 450i? Last
> >>> >> > couple of
> >>> >> > times I tried it, it seemed like overall throughput on the AP was
> >>> >> > slightly
> >>> >> > worse than on 2.5ms, even though radio to radio link tests were
> >>> >> > higher.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > peace
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Vlad
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

[Chuck McCown]

Anybody know of a BLF app that will run on their desktop?

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

What does the grandstream pbx cost?  Running asterisk now.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 12:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

I recently did an install replacing an old Toshiba PBX and used Grandstream 
phones, but it was also using a Grandstream PBX (UCM) which had the advantage 
of zero touch config.  Not sure if you are configuring the phones via TFTP or 
manually.

For this customer we did put in one of the Grandstream DECT phones (DP715) and 
it worked fine.  Haven’t tried adding more DECT handsets to the base yet, but 
is supposed to work.

What is it they like about the Panasonic phones?


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

Anyone used the Panasonic sip phones?  I have a business office that doesn’t 
like the UBNT products due to the feel of the handset etc.  They also want a 
DECT wireless option.  

Personally I am OK with AASTRA but in this situation I am trying to make front 
office folks happy.  We will be turning down their old panasonic key system 
soon and I want to try to approximate the type of handset they have been using. 
 Could just swap handsets but they don’t work and they don’t fit the switchhook 
of the sip phones.  

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for service out west

[Rory Conaway]

We got a call from them for Arizona.  I’d ask what they think they are willing 
to pay before you do it.  They were looking for a $60 DSL program up here one 
time.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 12:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for service out west

Obviously the Arby's in Vegas =P


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:
I thought Las Vegas was in Nevada?

bp



On 1/25/2016 11:49 AM, George Skorup wrote:
Hit me off list if you can get wireless to these locations.

2791 Lenwood Rd, Barstow, CA 92311

2590 E. Tropicana, Las Vegas, CA 89109

Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU access cabling?

[Gino Villarini]

Actually, we don't want to use the cabling.  We want to use our own... they
are forcing us to use it...

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> If the owner of the property agrees it is probably legal.
> If the owner of the cabling is not a regulated public utility it is
> probably legal.
>
> If it has been wired by a public utility then you should have some rights
> to use the wiring.  Otherwise all bets are off.
>
> Be best to negotiate with the owner of the MDU and run your own wiring if
> possible.
>
> *From:* Gino Villarini 
> *Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2016 1:12 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU access
> cabling?
>
> A local provider wired a whole business MDU.  We are trying to light up a
> customer on the premises.  They are charging ridiculous fees to access the
> cabling. Is this legal?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU access cabling?

[Sean Heskett]

Phone and coax are owned by the property no matter who installed it.

Fiber and cat5/6 Ethernet is still kind of a grey area that hasn't been
determined.  But would probably follow the same rules.

On Monday, January 25, 2016, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> A local provider wired a whole business MDU.  We are trying to light up a
> customer on the premises.  They are charging ridiculous fees to access the
> cabling. Is this legal?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU access cabling?

[Gino Villarini]

owners sent us to them (other provider)

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Why are you listening to them?  Or talking to them?  Why can't you talk to
> the building owner.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> its cat5 and fiber.  We want to bypass it... but cable owner says we
>> "have" to use it
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Phone and coax are owned by the property no matter who installed it.
>>>
>>> Fiber and cat5/6 Ethernet is still kind of a grey area that hasn't been
>>> determined.  But would probably follow the same rules.
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 25, 2016, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>>>
 A local provider wired a whole business MDU.  We are trying to light up
 a customer on the premises.  They are charging ridiculous fees to access
 the cabling. Is this legal?

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU accesscabling?

[Gino Villarini]

me either... ill try to get a written permission from the owners/mngmt

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I don’t think they can do that.  Especially if the property owner says you
> can bypass it.
>
> *From:* Gino Villarini 
> *Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2016 1:18 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU
> accesscabling?
>
> its cat5 and fiber.  We want to bypass it... but cable owner says we
> "have" to use it
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Phone and coax are owned by the property no matter who installed it.
>>
>> Fiber and cat5/6 Ethernet is still kind of a grey area that hasn't been
>> determined.  But would probably follow the same rules.
>>
>> On Monday, January 25, 2016, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>>
>>> A local provider wired a whole business MDU.  We are trying to light up
>>> a customer on the premises.  They are charging ridiculous fees to access
>>> the cabling. Is this legal?
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU accesscabling?

[Chuck McCown]

I would get your potential new customer to go visit with the owner of the MDU 
and explain to them how the monopoly play is harming their ability to do 
business with competitors that provide a better value.  

The MDU owner will listen to their tenant more than they will listen to you.  

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:22 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU accesscabling?

owners sent us to them (other provider)

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  Why are you listening to them?  Or talking to them?  Why can't you talk to 
the building owner.



  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

its cat5 and fiber.  We want to bypass it... but cable owner says we "have" 
to use it

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

  Phone and coax are owned by the property no matter who installed it. 

  Fiber and cat5/6 Ethernet is still kind of a grey area that hasn't been 
determined.  But would probably follow the same rules.


  On Monday, January 25, 2016, Gino Villarini  wrote:

A local provider wired a whole business MDU.  We are trying to light up 
a customer on the premises.  They are charging ridiculous fees to access the 
cabling. Is this legal? 

Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDUaccesscabling?

[Ken Hohhof]

Some buildings require all wiring to be done by a designated wiring contractor. 
 Even just punching down crossconnects in the wiring closets.  Sometimes it’s a 
union thing, but I have run into cases where they wouldn’t even let a union 
AT tech do it.

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 2:23 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDUaccesscabling?

me either... ill try to get a written permission from the owners/mngmt 

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I don’t think they can do that.  Especially if the property owner says you 
can bypass it.  

  From: Gino Villarini 
  Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:18 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU 
accesscabling?

  its cat5 and fiber.  We want to bypass it... but cable owner says we "have" 
to use it

  On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

Phone and coax are owned by the property no matter who installed it. 

Fiber and cat5/6 Ethernet is still kind of a grey area that hasn't been 
determined.  But would probably follow the same rules.


On Monday, January 25, 2016, Gino Villarini  wrote:

  A local provider wired a whole business MDU.  We are trying to light up a 
customer on the premises.  They are charging ridiculous fees to access the 
cabling. Is this legal? 

[AFMUG] OT-AF officially endorses Vermin Supreme for President

[Chuck McCown]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxaLOsqTIQw

Re: [AFMUG] OT-AF officially endorses Vermin Supreme for President

[Ken Hohhof]

My wife watched Escape from L.A. on Netflix last night.  At first I thought she 
was watching the news.



From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 10:59 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT-AF officially endorses Vermin Supreme for President

President Vermin Supreme does have a nice ring to it.


On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  You can never have too much cowbell.

  From: Rory Conaway 
  Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 10:43 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT-AF officially endorses Vermin Supreme for President

  I’m leaning towards Christopher Walken now.  







  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 9:42 AM
  To: Animal Farm
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT-AF officially endorses Vermin Supreme for President



  ah manI thought Pat Paulsen would get the nod.   I am sorrywe are on 
opposite sides of this.may your tacos taste like Taco Bell version.   




  Jaime Solorza

  Wireless Systems Architect

  915-861-1390



  On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxaLOsqTIQw

Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

[Sean Heskett]

maybe she could get Stephen Colbert to be her running mate for Veep.

At least with a Fey/Colbert ticket we'd know it's all just jokes and BS.
 with everyone else who's running i think they actually mean what they say
which is very odd and sad.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Now that's the best candidate I've heard of all year!
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/25/2016 10:34 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> Tina Fey for President!!!
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-iowa-president-rally-republican-2016-1#ooid=s3MGViMDE6WalVAzxaVCZrjPrVVGfYGy
>>
>> https://youtu.be/0pinZNYxQeo
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5ms frame on 450

[Eric Muehleisen]

Sean, I think you're correct. Adding an additional AP will be tough in
this particular situation. Just trying to squeeze as much as we can
our of this AP.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> If it was me, I'd just deploy another AP instead of trying to tweak the
> frame for just a little bit more speed.  you'll end up back at 100% capacity
> in no time with the frame tweaks.  with adding an AP that should solve the
> problem for at least a year.
>
> 2 cents
>
> -Sean
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
>>
>> I had the same question. I'm considering changing an AP from 2.5ms to
>> 5ms. I'm aware of the doubled latency, but I'm more interested in the
>> additional 7mb/s downlink (according to 450 capacity planner).
>>
>> We have an AP with ~50 subs and it reaches 100% downlink every
>> evening. I'm considering changing downlink from 75% to 85% and moving
>> to 5ms frames. By doing so, we should increase capacity by 9 to 11mb/s
>> on the downlink.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Vlad Sedov  wrote:
>> > Hey folks.
>> >
>> > Has anyone experimented with 5ms frame on pmp450 or the 450i? Last
>> > couple of
>> > times I tried it, it seemed like overall throughput on the AP was
>> > slightly
>> > worse than on 2.5ms, even though radio to radio link tests were higher.
>> >
>> >
>> > peace
>> >
>> > Vlad
>
>

[AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

[Chuck McCown]

Anyone used the Panasonic sip phones?  I have a business office that doesn’t 
like the UBNT products due to the feel of the handset etc.  They also want a 
DECT wireless option.  

Personally I am OK with AASTRA but in this situation I am trying to make front 
office folks happy.  We will be turning down their old panasonic key system 
soon and I want to try to approximate the type of handset they have been using. 
 Could just swap handsets but they don’t work and they don’t fit the switchhook 
of the sip phones.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

[Josh Reynolds]

Man, the Greandstream UCM platform is *pretty darn good*, but I had
some stability issues on the 6104. I really want to like it and for it
to work, but it has some quirks. It's stupid easy to use, and sitll
lets you drop down and debug asterisk directly.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> I recently did an install replacing an old Toshiba PBX and used Grandstream
> phones, but it was also using a Grandstream PBX (UCM) which had the
> advantage of zero touch config.  Not sure if you are configuring the phones
> via TFTP or manually.
>
> For this customer we did put in one of the Grandstream DECT phones (DP715)
> and it worked fine.  Haven’t tried adding more DECT handsets to the base
> yet, but is supposed to work.
>
> What is it they like about the Panasonic phones?
>
>
> From: Chuck McCown
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:47 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones
>
> Anyone used the Panasonic sip phones?  I have a business office that doesn’t
> like the UBNT products due to the feel of the handset etc.  They also want a
> DECT wireless option.
>
> Personally I am OK with AASTRA but in this situation I am trying to make
> front office folks happy.  We will be turning down their old panasonic key
> system soon and I want to try to approximate the type of handset they have
> been using.  Could just swap handsets but they don’t work and they don’t fit
> the switchhook of the sip phones.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

[Chuck McCown]

What does the grandstream pbx cost?  Running asterisk now.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 12:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

I recently did an install replacing an old Toshiba PBX and used Grandstream 
phones, but it was also using a Grandstream PBX (UCM) which had the advantage 
of zero touch config.  Not sure if you are configuring the phones via TFTP or 
manually.

For this customer we did put in one of the Grandstream DECT phones (DP715) and 
it worked fine.  Haven’t tried adding more DECT handsets to the base yet, but 
is supposed to work.

What is it they like about the Panasonic phones?


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

Anyone used the Panasonic sip phones?  I have a business office that doesn’t 
like the UBNT products due to the feel of the handset etc.  They also want a 
DECT wireless option.  

Personally I am OK with AASTRA but in this situation I am trying to make front 
office folks happy.  We will be turning down their old panasonic key system 
soon and I want to try to approximate the type of handset they have been using. 
 Could just swap handsets but they don’t work and they don’t fit the switchhook 
of the sip phones.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

[Josh Reynolds]

6104 is the model we had issues with. I deployed 2160's and 2140's.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> I've been very happy with the Grandstream phones  2140 and 2160.  I really
> like that the 2160 has the sidecar built in, no need to add anything extra.
> Only have had 1 failure so far.  Phone had the display go out.  RMA'd
> without an issue.  While finding a hefty piece of wood to knock on, I
> haven't had any stability issues with the 6104.  Started deploying them
> about a year and a half ago. Price is definitely good too.
>
> On 1/25/2016 1:56 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> Man, the Greandstream UCM platform is *pretty darn good*, but I had
>> some stability issues on the 6104. I really want to like it and for it
>> to work, but it has some quirks. It's stupid easy to use, and sitll
>> lets you drop down and debug asterisk directly.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> I recently did an install replacing an old Toshiba PBX and used
>>> Grandstream
>>> phones, but it was also using a Grandstream PBX (UCM) which had the
>>> advantage of zero touch config.  Not sure if you are configuring the
>>> phones
>>> via TFTP or manually.
>>>
>>> For this customer we did put in one of the Grandstream DECT phones
>>> (DP715)
>>> and it worked fine.  Haven�t tried adding more DECT handsets to the
>>> base
>>> yet, but is supposed to work.
>>>
>>> What is it they like about the Panasonic phones?
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Chuck McCown
>>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:47 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones
>>>
>>> Anyone used the Panasonic sip phones?  I have a business office that
>>> doesn�t
>>> like the UBNT products due to the feel of the handset etc.  They also
>>> want a
>>> DECT wireless option.
>>>
>>> Personally I am OK with AASTRA but in this situation I am trying to make
>>> front office folks happy.  We will be turning down their old panasonic
>>> key
>>> system soon and I want to try to approximate the type of handset they
>>> have
>>> been using.  Could just swap handsets but they don�t work and they
>>> don�t fit
>>> the switchhook of the sip phones.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for service out west

[Bill Prince]

Just pulling your chain George   ;-)

bp


On 1/25/2016 12:12 PM, George Skorup wrote:
I copied and pasted the info I was provided. Obviously a typo being 
that the ZIP is correct.


On 1/25/2016 1:55 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Obviously the Arby's in Vegas =P


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:


I thought Las Vegas was in Nevada?

bp



On 1/25/2016 11:49 AM, George Skorup wrote:

Hit me off list if you can get wireless to these locations.

2791 Lenwood Rd, Barstow, CA 92311

2590 E. Tropicana, Las Vegas, CA 89109

Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU access cabling?

[Josh Luthman]

Why are you listening to them?  Or talking to them?  Why can't you talk to
the building owner.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> its cat5 and fiber.  We want to bypass it... but cable owner says we
> "have" to use it
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Phone and coax are owned by the property no matter who installed it.
>>
>> Fiber and cat5/6 Ethernet is still kind of a grey area that hasn't been
>> determined.  But would probably follow the same rules.
>>
>> On Monday, January 25, 2016, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>>
>>> A local provider wired a whole business MDU.  We are trying to light up
>>> a customer on the premises.  They are charging ridiculous fees to access
>>> the cabling. Is this legal?
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU accesscabling?

[Chuck McCown]

I don’t think they can do that.  Especially if the property owner says you can 
bypass it.  

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:18 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU accesscabling?

its cat5 and fiber.  We want to bypass it... but cable owner says we "have" to 
use it

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

  Phone and coax are owned by the property no matter who installed it. 

  Fiber and cat5/6 Ethernet is still kind of a grey area that hasn't been 
determined.  But would probably follow the same rules.


  On Monday, January 25, 2016, Gino Villarini  wrote:

A local provider wired a whole business MDU.  We are trying to light up a 
customer on the premises.  They are charging ridiculous fees to access the 
cabling. Is this legal? 

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for service out west

[George Skorup]

We have a handful of their locations here around the Chicago burbs. 
Their IT folks asked if we could hook them up with a WISP out west since 
DSL and cable is unavailable and they're still on dial-up at these 
particular locations.


If you can help, please let me know and I'll get you in touch with them.

On 1/25/2016 2:00 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:


We got a call from them for Arizona.  I’d ask what they think they are 
willing to pay before you do it.  They were looking for a $60 DSL 
program up here one time.


Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2016 12:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for service out west

Obviously the Arby's in Vegas =P


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:


I thought Las Vegas was in Nevada?

bp




On 1/25/2016 11:49 AM, George Skorup wrote:

Hit me off list if you can get wireless to these locations.

2791 Lenwood Rd, Barstow, CA 92311

2590 E. Tropicana, Las Vegas, CA 89109

Re: [AFMUG] Redundancy at core router

[Stefan Englhardt]

That’s what we are doing, too.

We did an additional thing behind the 2 bgp uplink routers: We add another 2 
routers

which are connected to both BGP-Routers.

This allows us to leave the BGP-Routers alone. They do no MPLS, no filtering, …

No one logs into them.



The 2 routers behind only do OSPF so their routingtable is readable.



This paranoia comes from times where Mikrotik had some OSPF bugs. It is no fun

doing firmwaregames with BGP-Routers. We sail very smooth with this construct.







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mathew Howard
Gesendet: Montag, 25. Januar 2016 16:25
An: af 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Redundancy at core router



Whether or not it's possible, I don't know... but it definitely seems like 
overkill to me. I would just do one upstream per router and iBGP between them.



On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 11:44 PM, TJ Trout  > wrote:

I currently have 2 upstream's and only 1 router, planning to add a second 
router for redundancy, is it over kill (or even possible?) to get each upstream 
to allocate 2 ports on their router so that each of my routers will have 2 
upsteams or is it more than sufficient to just do 1 upstream per router? It's 
extremely unlikely to have 1 upstream and one router fail at the same time, I 
think.



Does that make since?

Re: [AFMUG] We brought an antenna to Davos to track private air travel, and here’s what we found - Quartz

[Chuck McCown]

So is the tri-lateral commission and the Bilderbergers there too?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 8:35 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] We brought an antenna to Davos to track private air travel, 
and here’s what we found - Quartz

http://qz.com/600590/we-brought-an-antenna-to-davos-to-track-private-air-travel-and-heres-what-we-found/

Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

[Mathew Howard]

It's kind of hard to tell the difference... :P

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-iowa-president-rally-republican-2016-1#ooid=s3MGViMDE6WalVAzxaVCZrjPrVVGfYGy
>
> https://youtu.be/0pinZNYxQeo
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT-AF officially endorses Vermin Supreme for President

[Jaime Solorza]

ah manI thought Pat Paulsen would get the nod.   I am sorrywe are
on opposite sides of this.may your tacos taste like Taco Bell version.


Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxaLOsqTIQw
>

[AFMUG] 5ms frame on 450

[Vlad Sedov]

Hey folks.

Has anyone experimented with 5ms frame on pmp450 or the 450i? Last 
couple of times I tried it, it seemed like overall throughput on the AP 
was slightly worse than on 2.5ms, even though radio to radio link tests 
were higher.



peace

Vlad

[AFMUG] We brought an antenna to Davos to track private air travel, and here’s what we found - Quartz

[Jaime Solorza]

http://qz.com/600590/we-brought-an-antenna-to-davos-to-track-private-air-travel-and-heres-what-we-found/

Re: [AFMUG] 5ms frame on 450

[Eric Muehleisen]

I had the same question. I'm considering changing an AP from 2.5ms to
5ms. I'm aware of the doubled latency, but I'm more interested in the
additional 7mb/s downlink (according to 450 capacity planner).

We have an AP with ~50 subs and it reaches 100% downlink every
evening. I'm considering changing downlink from 75% to 85% and moving
to 5ms frames. By doing so, we should increase capacity by 9 to 11mb/s
on the downlink.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Vlad Sedov  wrote:
> Hey folks.
>
> Has anyone experimented with 5ms frame on pmp450 or the 450i? Last couple of
> times I tried it, it seemed like overall throughput on the AP was slightly
> worse than on 2.5ms, even though radio to radio link tests were higher.
>
>
> peace
>
> Vlad

[AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

[Chuck McCown]

http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-iowa-president-rally-republican-2016-1#ooid=s3MGViMDE6WalVAzxaVCZrjPrVVGfYGy

https://youtu.be/0pinZNYxQeo

Re: [AFMUG] OT-AF officially endorses Vermin Supreme for President

[Rory Conaway]

I’m leaning towards Christopher Walken now.

[http://star.walagata.com/w/the-salamander/walken2008.jpg]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 9:42 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT-AF officially endorses Vermin Supreme for President

ah manI thought Pat Paulsen would get the nod.   I am sorrywe are on 
opposite sides of this.may your tacos taste like Taco Bell version.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxaLOsqTIQw

Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

[Bill Prince]

They are both better.

You can't make this stuff up.

bp


On 1/25/2016 8:17 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-iowa-president-rally-republican-2016-1#ooid=s3MGViMDE6WalVAzxaVCZrjPrVVGfYGy
https://youtu.be/0pinZNYxQeo

[AFMUG] Last chance....

[Butch Evans]

Last chance to register for the upcoming MTCNA+ Training in Nashville,
TN on Feb 1-5, 2016.  See http://store.wispgear.net/ for registration
and details.  Also, don't forget about the IPv6 training coming in
March in Louisville, KY.
-- 
Butch Evans
Training and Support for WISPs
702-537-0979
http://store.wispgear.net/
http://www.butchevans.com/

Re: [AFMUG] 5ms frame on 450

[Vlad Sedov]

Ahhh that explains it.. We shall leave it alone then.


Vlad

On 1/25/2016 9:49 AM, George Skorup wrote:
It was discussed somewhere recently, possibly from the Cambium 
community site. Changing from 2.5 to 5ms cuts the number of control 
slots in half. That could explain your perceived loss in overall 
throughput, i.e. not enough control slots.


And then if you gain say 10% more bandwidth by going to 5ms, then have 
to increase control slots, you probably end up with zero gain in 
throughput and double the latency. So what's the point. If you had to 
synchronize with a wimax system, that's about the only benefit.


On 1/25/2016 9:34 AM, Vlad Sedov wrote:

Hey folks.

Has anyone experimented with 5ms frame on pmp450 or the 450i? Last 
couple of times I tried it, it seemed like overall throughput on the 
AP was slightly worse than on 2.5ms, even though radio to radio link 
tests were higher.



peace

Vlad

Re: [AFMUG] OT-AF officially endorses Vermin Supreme for President

[Mathew Howard]

President Vermin Supreme does have a nice ring to it.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> You can never have too much cowbell.
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway 
> *Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2016 10:43 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT-AF officially endorses Vermin Supreme for
> President
>
>
> I’m leaning towards Christopher Walken now.
>
>
>
> [image: http://star.walagata.com/w/the-salamander/walken2008.jpg]
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2016 9:42 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT-AF officially endorses Vermin Supreme for
> President
>
>
>
> ah manI thought Pat Paulsen would get the nod.   I am sorrywe are
> on opposite sides of this.may your tacos taste like Taco Bell
> version.
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> Wireless Systems Architect
>
> 915-861-1390
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxaLOsqTIQw
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT-AF officially endorses Vermin Supreme for President

[Bill Prince]

Hard to tell the difference these days.

bp


On 1/25/2016 9:26 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
My wife watched Escape from L.A. on Netflix last night. At first I 
thought she was watching the news.

*From:* Mathew Howard 
*Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2016 10:59 AM
*To:* af 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT-AF officially endorses Vermin Supreme for 
President

President Vermin Supreme does have a nice ring to it.
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:


You can never have too much cowbell.
*From:* Rory Conaway 
*Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2016 10:43 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT-AF officially endorses Vermin Supreme
for President

I’m leaning towards Christopher Walken now.

http://star.walagata.com/w/the-salamander/walken2008.jpg

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2016 9:42 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT-AF officially endorses Vermin Supreme
for President

ah manI thought Pat Paulsen would get the nod.   I am
sorrywe are on opposite sides of this.may your tacos taste
like Taco Bell version.


Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390 

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Chuck McCown > wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxaLOsqTIQw

Re: [AFMUG] 5ms frame on 450

[George Skorup]

It was discussed somewhere recently, possibly from the Cambium community 
site. Changing from 2.5 to 5ms cuts the number of control slots in half. 
That could explain your perceived loss in overall throughput, i.e. not 
enough control slots.


And then if you gain say 10% more bandwidth by going to 5ms, then have 
to increase control slots, you probably end up with zero gain in 
throughput and double the latency. So what's the point. If you had to 
synchronize with a wimax system, that's about the only benefit.


On 1/25/2016 9:34 AM, Vlad Sedov wrote:

Hey folks.

Has anyone experimented with 5ms frame on pmp450 or the 450i? Last 
couple of times I tried it, it seemed like overall throughput on the 
AP was slightly worse than on 2.5ms, even though radio to radio link 
tests were higher.



peace

Vlad

Re: [AFMUG] Redundancy at core router

[Faisal Imtiaz]

here is a nice write-up if someone wants to get more ideas on redundancy ! 

http://robert.penz.name/779/howto-setup-a-redundant-and-secure-bgp-full-table-internet-connection-with-mikrotik-routers/
 

As the network grows, needing to do maint. tends to be the # 1 reason for a 
complex redundant setup 
:) (irrespective of whose devices you are using... some of the larger Juniper's 
and Brocade's offer dual controllers which allows for the router to seamless 
flip between one side vs the other, that is something very neat... having seen 
that in our old Riverstone Routers...except for the price difference...) 

Regards 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Stefan Englhardt" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 10:40:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Redundancy at core router

> That’s what we are doing, too.

> We did an additional thing behind the 2 bgp uplink routers: We add another 2
> routers

> which are connected to both BGP-Routers.

> This allows us to leave the BGP-Routers alone. They do no MPLS, no filtering, 
> …

> No one logs into them.

> The 2 routers behind only do OSPF so their routingtable is readable.

> This paranoia comes from times where Mikrotik had some OSPF bugs. It is no fun

> doing firmwaregames with BGP-Routers. We sail very smooth with this construct.

> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mathew Howard
> Gesendet: Montag, 25. Januar 2016 16:25
> An: af 
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Redundancy at core router

> Whether or not it's possible, I don't know... but it definitely seems like
> overkill to me. I would just do one upstream per router and iBGP between them.

> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 11:44 PM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote:
>> I currently have 2 upstream's and only 1 router, planning to add a second 
>> router
>> for redundancy, is it over kill (or even possible?) to get each upstream to
>> allocate 2 ports on their router so that each of my routers will have 2
>> upsteams or is it more than sufficient to just do 1 upstream per router? It's
>> extremely unlikely to have 1 upstream and one router fail at the same time, I
>> think.

>> Does that make since?

Re: [AFMUG] OT-AF officially endorses Vermin Supreme for President

[Ken Hohhof]

You can never have too much cowbell.

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 10:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT-AF officially endorses Vermin Supreme for President

I’m leaning towards Christopher Walken now.  

 



 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 9:42 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT-AF officially endorses Vermin Supreme for President

 

ah manI thought Pat Paulsen would get the nod.   I am sorrywe are on 
opposite sides of this.may your tacos taste like Taco Bell version.   




Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390

 

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxaLOsqTIQw

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

[Jaime Solorza]

its what I tell my two friends.clown show

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-iowa-president-rally-republican-2016-1#ooid=s3MGViMDE6WalVAzxaVCZrjPrVVGfYGy
>
> https://youtu.be/0pinZNYxQeo
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

[Sean Heskett]

Tina Fey for President!!!

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-iowa-president-rally-republican-2016-1#ooid=s3MGViMDE6WalVAzxaVCZrjPrVVGfYGy
>
> https://youtu.be/0pinZNYxQeo
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5ms frame on 450

[Sean Heskett]

If it was me, I'd just deploy another AP instead of trying to tweak the
frame for just a little bit more speed.  you'll end up back at 100%
capacity in no time with the frame tweaks.  with adding an AP that should
solve the problem for at least a year.

2 cents

-Sean

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

> I had the same question. I'm considering changing an AP from 2.5ms to
> 5ms. I'm aware of the doubled latency, but I'm more interested in the
> additional 7mb/s downlink (according to 450 capacity planner).
>
> We have an AP with ~50 subs and it reaches 100% downlink every
> evening. I'm considering changing downlink from 75% to 85% and moving
> to 5ms frames. By doing so, we should increase capacity by 9 to 11mb/s
> on the downlink.
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Vlad Sedov  wrote:
> > Hey folks.
> >
> > Has anyone experimented with 5ms frame on pmp450 or the 450i? Last
> couple of
> > times I tried it, it seemed like overall throughput on the AP was
> slightly
> > worse than on 2.5ms, even though radio to radio link tests were higher.
> >
> >
> > peace
> >
> > Vlad
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

[Eric Kuhnke]

Take a look at the higher end Yealink phones.
On Jan 25, 2016 11:47 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Anyone used the Panasonic sip phones?  I have a business office that
> doesn’t like the UBNT products due to the feel of the handset etc.  They
> also want a DECT wireless option.
>
> Personally I am OK with AASTRA but in this situation I am trying to make
> front office folks happy.  We will be turning down their old panasonic key
> system soon and I want to try to approximate the type of handset they have
> been using.  Could just swap handsets but they don’t work and they don’t
> fit the switchhook of the sip phones.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU access cabling?

[Sterling Jacobson]

I would just talk to the building owner.

They usually have final say on what goes on in their building, including wiring.

If they have some special agreement or something with another 
provider/contractor, then it’s up to them to disclose that.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:13 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU access cabling?

A local provider wired a whole business MDU.  We are trying to light up a 
customer on the premises.  They are charging ridiculous fees to access the 
cabling. Is this legal?

Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

[Josh Luthman]

The people that actually vote were probably busy at work.  The people
voting for Bernie just sit on Facebook all day.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> This just got posted here by the local newspaper. They ran a poll for
> a week or so on facebook. Totally unscientific, but I was surprised by
> the results in a state that votes heavily republic outside of Kansas
> City and St Louis.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> > maybe she could get Stephen Colbert to be her running mate for Veep.
> >
> > At least with a Fey/Colbert ticket we'd know it's all just jokes and BS.
> > with everyone else who's running i think they actually mean what they say
> > which is very odd and sad.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Now that's the best candidate I've heard of all year!
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >> On 1/25/2016 10:34 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
> >>
> >> Tina Fey for President!!!
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-iowa-president-rally-republican-2016-1#ooid=s3MGViMDE6WalVAzxaVCZrjPrVVGfYGy
> >>>
> >>> https://youtu.be/0pinZNYxQeo
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

[Josh Reynolds]

*shrug*

I see no truly viable candidate.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> The people that actually vote were probably busy at work.  The people voting
> for Bernie just sit on Facebook all day.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> This just got posted here by the local newspaper. They ran a poll for
>> a week or so on facebook. Totally unscientific, but I was surprised by
>> the results in a state that votes heavily republic outside of Kansas
>> City and St Louis.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>> > maybe she could get Stephen Colbert to be her running mate for Veep.
>> >
>> > At least with a Fey/Colbert ticket we'd know it's all just jokes and BS.
>> > with everyone else who's running i think they actually mean what they
>> > say
>> > which is very odd and sad.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Bill Prince 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Now that's the best candidate I've heard of all year!
>> >>
>> >> bp
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> On 1/25/2016 10:34 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Tina Fey for President!!!
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-iowa-president-rally-republican-2016-1#ooid=s3MGViMDE6WalVAzxaVCZrjPrVVGfYGy
>> >>>
>> >>> https://youtu.be/0pinZNYxQeo
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

[Mathew Howard]

nonsense... there's still Vermin Supreme!

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> *shrug*
>
> I see no truly viable candidate.
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
> > The people that actually vote were probably busy at work.  The people
> voting
> > for Bernie just sit on Facebook all day.
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> This just got posted here by the local newspaper. They ran a poll for
> >> a week or so on facebook. Totally unscientific, but I was surprised by
> >> the results in a state that votes heavily republic outside of Kansas
> >> City and St Louis.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> >> > maybe she could get Stephen Colbert to be her running mate for Veep.
> >> >
> >> > At least with a Fey/Colbert ticket we'd know it's all just jokes and
> BS.
> >> > with everyone else who's running i think they actually mean what they
> >> > say
> >> > which is very odd and sad.
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Bill Prince 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Now that's the best candidate I've heard of all year!
> >> >>
> >> >> bp
> >> >> 
> >> >>
> >> >> On 1/25/2016 10:34 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Tina Fey for President!!!
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-iowa-president-rally-republican-2016-1#ooid=s3MGViMDE6WalVAzxaVCZrjPrVVGfYGy
> >> >>>
> >> >>> https://youtu.be/0pinZNYxQeo
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU access cabling?

[Ken Hohhof]

I found several law firms with articles like this excerpt:

“Notwithstanding the FCC’s Exclusivity Order, MDU owners and service providers 
are still able to negotiate what are in effect de facto exclusive ROE 
agreements by several means. Common methods of conferring monopoly status on a 
selected provider include granting exclusive on-site marketing rights and/or 
exclusive use of existing cable inside wiring owned by the property owner (or 
HOA).
Because access to private property (including access to common areas for 
on-site marketing purposes and access to wiring) is a valuable right, service 
providers often pay financial compensation to the property owner in exchange 
for access. Provider to owner compensation is typically paid in the form of an 
upfront “door fee,” based on the number of residential units at the property, 
and/or monthly or quarterly percentages of the provider’s recurring 
subscription revenue received from property residents.”

Sounds like building owner is likely getting money from the other guys.


From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU access cabling?

I would just talk to the building owner.

 

They usually have final say on what goes on in their building, including wiring.

 

If they have some special agreement or something with another 
provider/contractor, then it’s up to them to disclose that.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:13 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU access cabling?

 

A local provider wired a whole business MDU.  We are trying to light up a 
customer on the premises.  They are charging ridiculous fees to access the 
cabling. Is this legal? 

Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

[Sean Heskett]

it's always a choice between a douche and a turd sandwich man...ALWAYS!

https://youtu.be/Pji_IX-UacM


On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> *shrug*
>
> I see no truly viable candidate.
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
> > The people that actually vote were probably busy at work.  The people
> voting
> > for Bernie just sit on Facebook all day.
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> This just got posted here by the local newspaper. They ran a poll for
> >> a week or so on facebook. Totally unscientific, but I was surprised by
> >> the results in a state that votes heavily republic outside of Kansas
> >> City and St Louis.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> >> > maybe she could get Stephen Colbert to be her running mate for Veep.
> >> >
> >> > At least with a Fey/Colbert ticket we'd know it's all just jokes and
> BS.
> >> > with everyone else who's running i think they actually mean what they
> >> > say
> >> > which is very odd and sad.
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Bill Prince 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Now that's the best candidate I've heard of all year!
> >> >>
> >> >> bp
> >> >> 
> >> >>
> >> >> On 1/25/2016 10:34 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Tina Fey for President!!!
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-iowa-president-rally-republican-2016-1#ooid=s3MGViMDE6WalVAzxaVCZrjPrVVGfYGy
> >> >>>
> >> >>> https://youtu.be/0pinZNYxQeo
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

[Ken Hohhof]

appears to be a South Park reference
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douche_and_Turd


-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 4:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

Is that "turd sandwich, man", or did you really mean "turd sandwich man"?

If it's the former: *fistbump* I agree brother man!

If it's the latter: What is a turd sandwich man? It sounds like a job.
Not a career, mind you, but a job.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

it's always a choice between a douche and a turd sandwich man...ALWAYS!

https://youtu.be/Pji_IX-UacM


On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:


*shrug*

I see no truly viable candidate.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> The people that actually vote were probably busy at work.  The people
> voting
> for Bernie just sit on Facebook all day.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>>
>> This just got posted here by the local newspaper. They ran a poll for
>> a week or so on facebook. Totally unscientific, but I was surprised by
>> the results in a state that votes heavily republic outside of Kansas
>> City and St Louis.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>> > maybe she could get Stephen Colbert to be her running mate for Veep.
>> >
>> > At least with a Fey/Colbert ticket we'd know it's all just jokes and
>> > BS.
>> > with everyone else who's running i think they actually mean what 
>> > they

>> > say
>> > which is very odd and sad.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Bill Prince 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Now that's the best candidate I've heard of all year!
>> >>
>> >> bp
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> On 1/25/2016 10:34 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Tina Fey for President!!!
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 
http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-iowa-president-rally-republican-2016-1#ooid=s3MGViMDE6WalVAzxaVCZrjPrVVGfYGy
>> >>>
>> >>> https://youtu.be/0pinZNYxQeo
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

[Chuck McCown]

Why not just have it live TV -  call or text your vote.
Perhaps some random lottery winnings to every 10,000th voter.
Drew Cary can host it.  Have some singing and dancing.

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

Now if actual voting was also via Facebook .


-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 3:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

This just got posted here by the local newspaper. They ran a poll for
a week or so on facebook. Totally unscientific, but I was surprised by
the results in a state that votes heavily republic outside of Kansas
City and St Louis.



On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

maybe she could get Stephen Colbert to be her running mate for Veep.

At least with a Fey/Colbert ticket we'd know it's all just jokes and BS.
with everyone else who's running i think they actually mean what they say
which is very odd and sad.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:


Now that's the best candidate I've heard of all year!

bp


On 1/25/2016 10:34 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:

Tina Fey for President!!!

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:



http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-iowa-president-rally-republican-2016-1#ooid=s3MGViMDE6WalVAzxaVCZrjPrVVGfYGy

https://youtu.be/0pinZNYxQeo

Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

[Josh Reynolds]

Listen...

The pet rock guy. He made a million dollars.





Let that thought power you throughout the rest of your day.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> Why not just have it live TV -  call or text your vote.
> Perhaps some random lottery winnings to every 10,000th voter.
> Drew Cary can host it.  Have some singing and dancing.
>
> -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 3:11 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?
>
> Now if actual voting was also via Facebook .
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 3:53 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?
>
> This just got posted here by the local newspaper. They ran a poll for
> a week or so on facebook. Totally unscientific, but I was surprised by
> the results in a state that votes heavily republic outside of Kansas
> City and St Louis.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> maybe she could get Stephen Colbert to be her running mate for Veep.
>>
>> At least with a Fey/Colbert ticket we'd know it's all just jokes and BS.
>> with everyone else who's running i think they actually mean what they say
>> which is very odd and sad.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Now that's the best candidate I've heard of all year!
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 1/25/2016 10:34 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>>
>>> Tina Fey for President!!!
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:




 http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-iowa-president-rally-republican-2016-1#ooid=s3MGViMDE6WalVAzxaVCZrjPrVVGfYGy

 https://youtu.be/0pinZNYxQeo


>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

[Mathew Howard]

Well, I think it's pretty self explanatory what that job would be. I don't
think it would be a very profitable job, but that's probably why he would
want to be president instead...

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Is that "turd sandwich, man", or did you really mean "turd sandwich man"?
>
> If it's the former: *fistbump* I agree brother man!
>
> If it's the latter: What is a turd sandwich man? It sounds like a job.
> Not a career, mind you, but a job.
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> > it's always a choice between a douche and a turd sandwich man...ALWAYS!
> >
> > https://youtu.be/Pji_IX-UacM
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> *shrug*
> >>
> >> I see no truly viable candidate.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Josh Luthman
> >>  wrote:
> >> > The people that actually vote were probably busy at work.  The people
> >> > voting
> >> > for Bernie just sit on Facebook all day.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Josh Luthman
> >> > Office: 937-552-2340
> >> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> > 1100 Wayne St
> >> > Suite 1337
> >> > Troy, OH 45373
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> This just got posted here by the local newspaper. They ran a poll for
> >> >> a week or so on facebook. Totally unscientific, but I was surprised
> by
> >> >> the results in a state that votes heavily republic outside of Kansas
> >> >> City and St Louis.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
> >> >> > maybe she could get Stephen Colbert to be her running mate for
> Veep.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > At least with a Fey/Colbert ticket we'd know it's all just jokes
> and
> >> >> > BS.
> >> >> > with everyone else who's running i think they actually mean what
> they
> >> >> > say
> >> >> > which is very odd and sad.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Bill Prince  >
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Now that's the best candidate I've heard of all year!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> bp
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On 1/25/2016 10:34 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Tina Fey for President!!!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown 
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-iowa-president-rally-republican-2016-1#ooid=s3MGViMDE6WalVAzxaVCZrjPrVVGfYGy
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> https://youtu.be/0pinZNYxQeo
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

[Josh Luthman]

...must have had...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 5:27 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> haha good catch in regards to my lack of proper comma usage Josh.
>
> Everyone named Josh must of had proper sentence structure and grammar brow
> beaten into them from a young age lol. usually it's Lutheran pointing out
> mistakes ;-)
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Is that "turd sandwich, man", or did you really mean "turd sandwich man"?
>>
>> If it's the former: *fistbump* I agree brother man!
>>
>> If it's the latter: What is a turd sandwich man? It sounds like a job.
>> Not a career, mind you, but a job.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>> > it's always a choice between a douche and a turd sandwich man...ALWAYS!
>> >
>> > https://youtu.be/Pji_IX-UacM
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> *shrug*
>> >>
>> >> I see no truly viable candidate.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Josh Luthman
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > The people that actually vote were probably busy at work.  The people
>> >> > voting
>> >> > for Bernie just sit on Facebook all day.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Josh Luthman
>> >> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> >> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> >> > 1100 Wayne St
>> >> > Suite 1337
>> >> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Josh Reynolds > >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This just got posted here by the local newspaper. They ran a poll
>> for
>> >> >> a week or so on facebook. Totally unscientific, but I was surprised
>> by
>> >> >> the results in a state that votes heavily republic outside of Kansas
>> >> >> City and St Louis.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Sean Heskett 
>> wrote:
>> >> >> > maybe she could get Stephen Colbert to be her running mate for
>> Veep.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > At least with a Fey/Colbert ticket we'd know it's all just jokes
>> and
>> >> >> > BS.
>> >> >> > with everyone else who's running i think they actually mean what
>> they
>> >> >> > say
>> >> >> > which is very odd and sad.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Bill Prince <
>> part15...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Now that's the best candidate I've heard of all year!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> bp
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On 1/25/2016 10:34 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Tina Fey for President!!!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown 
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-iowa-president-rally-republican-2016-1#ooid=s3MGViMDE6WalVAzxaVCZrjPrVVGfYGy
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> https://youtu.be/0pinZNYxQeo
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

[Sean Heskett]

haha good catch in regards to my lack of proper comma usage Josh.

Everyone named Josh must of had proper sentence structure and grammar brow
beaten into them from a young age lol. usually it's Lutheran pointing out
mistakes ;-)


On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Is that "turd sandwich, man", or did you really mean "turd sandwich man"?
>
> If it's the former: *fistbump* I agree brother man!
>
> If it's the latter: What is a turd sandwich man? It sounds like a job.
> Not a career, mind you, but a job.
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> > it's always a choice between a douche and a turd sandwich man...ALWAYS!
> >
> > https://youtu.be/Pji_IX-UacM
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> *shrug*
> >>
> >> I see no truly viable candidate.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Josh Luthman
> >>  wrote:
> >> > The people that actually vote were probably busy at work.  The people
> >> > voting
> >> > for Bernie just sit on Facebook all day.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Josh Luthman
> >> > Office: 937-552-2340
> >> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> > 1100 Wayne St
> >> > Suite 1337
> >> > Troy, OH 45373
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> This just got posted here by the local newspaper. They ran a poll for
> >> >> a week or so on facebook. Totally unscientific, but I was surprised
> by
> >> >> the results in a state that votes heavily republic outside of Kansas
> >> >> City and St Louis.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
> >> >> > maybe she could get Stephen Colbert to be her running mate for
> Veep.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > At least with a Fey/Colbert ticket we'd know it's all just jokes
> and
> >> >> > BS.
> >> >> > with everyone else who's running i think they actually mean what
> they
> >> >> > say
> >> >> > which is very odd and sad.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Bill Prince  >
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Now that's the best candidate I've heard of all year!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> bp
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On 1/25/2016 10:34 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Tina Fey for President!!!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown 
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-iowa-president-rally-republican-2016-1#ooid=s3MGViMDE6WalVAzxaVCZrjPrVVGfYGy
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> https://youtu.be/0pinZNYxQeo
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

[Bill Prince]

Several of them manage to be both.

bp


On 1/25/2016 2:08 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

it's always a choice between a douche and a turd sandwich man...ALWAYS!

https://youtu.be/Pji_IX-UacM


On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds > wrote:


*shrug*

I see no truly viable candidate.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Josh Luthman
>
wrote:
> The people that actually vote were probably busy at work.  The
people voting
> for Bernie just sit on Facebook all day.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Josh Reynolds
> wrote:
>>
>> This just got posted here by the local newspaper. They ran a
poll for
>> a week or so on facebook. Totally unscientific, but I was
surprised by
>> the results in a state that votes heavily republic outside of
Kansas
>> City and St Louis.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Sean Heskett > wrote:
>> > maybe she could get Stephen Colbert to be her running mate
for Veep.
>> >
>> > At least with a Fey/Colbert ticket we'd know it's all just
jokes and BS.
>> > with everyone else who's running i think they actually mean
what they
>> > say
>> > which is very odd and sad.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Bill Prince
>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Now that's the best candidate I've heard of all year!
>> >>
>> >> bp
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> On 1/25/2016 10:34 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Tina Fey for President!!!
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown
> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>

http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-iowa-president-rally-republican-2016-1#ooid=s3MGViMDE6WalVAzxaVCZrjPrVVGfYGy
>> >>>
>> >>> https://youtu.be/0pinZNYxQeo
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

[Sean Heskett]

damn it!  that's how i had it originally and then changed it :-/  good
catch Josh!!!


On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> ...must have had...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 5:27 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> haha good catch in regards to my lack of proper comma usage Josh.
>>
>> Everyone named Josh must of had proper sentence structure and grammar
>> brow beaten into them from a young age lol. usually it's Lutheran pointing
>> out mistakes ;-)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is that "turd sandwich, man", or did you really mean "turd sandwich man"?
>>>
>>> If it's the former: *fistbump* I agree brother man!
>>>
>>> If it's the latter: What is a turd sandwich man? It sounds like a job.
>>> Not a career, mind you, but a job.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>> > it's always a choice between a douche and a turd sandwich man...ALWAYS!
>>> >
>>> > https://youtu.be/Pji_IX-UacM
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> *shrug*
>>> >>
>>> >> I see no truly viable candidate.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Josh Luthman
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >> > The people that actually vote were probably busy at work.  The
>>> people
>>> >> > voting
>>> >> > for Bernie just sit on Facebook all day.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Josh Luthman
>>> >> > Office: 937-552-2340
>>> >> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> >> > 1100 Wayne St
>>> >> > Suite 1337
>>> >> > Troy, OH 45373
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Josh Reynolds <
>>> j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> This just got posted here by the local newspaper. They ran a poll
>>> for
>>> >> >> a week or so on facebook. Totally unscientific, but I was
>>> surprised by
>>> >> >> the results in a state that votes heavily republic outside of
>>> Kansas
>>> >> >> City and St Louis.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Sean Heskett 
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >> > maybe she could get Stephen Colbert to be her running mate for
>>> Veep.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > At least with a Fey/Colbert ticket we'd know it's all just jokes
>>> and
>>> >> >> > BS.
>>> >> >> > with everyone else who's running i think they actually mean what
>>> they
>>> >> >> > say
>>> >> >> > which is very odd and sad.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Bill Prince <
>>> part15...@gmail.com>
>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Now that's the best candidate I've heard of all year!
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> bp
>>> >> >> >> 
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> On 1/25/2016 10:34 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Tina Fey for President!!!
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown 
>>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-iowa-president-rally-republican-2016-1#ooid=s3MGViMDE6WalVAzxaVCZrjPrVVGfYGy
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>> https://youtu.be/0pinZNYxQeo
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

[Josh Reynolds]

You're talking to the wrong person. I went through Kentucky Public
Schools, so I have roughly the same education as an Aboriginal
Bush-Child, but I lack their real world usefulness.

I was just overly excited when I thought I learned that "turd sandwich
man" was a position that someone could aspire to.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> haha good catch in regards to my lack of proper comma usage Josh.
>
> Everyone named Josh must of had proper sentence structure and grammar brow
> beaten into them from a young age lol. usually it's Lutheran pointing out
> mistakes ;-)
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> Is that "turd sandwich, man", or did you really mean "turd sandwich man"?
>>
>> If it's the former: *fistbump* I agree brother man!
>>
>> If it's the latter: What is a turd sandwich man? It sounds like a job.
>> Not a career, mind you, but a job.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>> > it's always a choice between a douche and a turd sandwich man...ALWAYS!
>> >
>> > https://youtu.be/Pji_IX-UacM
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> *shrug*
>> >>
>> >> I see no truly viable candidate.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Josh Luthman
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > The people that actually vote were probably busy at work.  The people
>> >> > voting
>> >> > for Bernie just sit on Facebook all day.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Josh Luthman
>> >> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> >> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> >> > 1100 Wayne St
>> >> > Suite 1337
>> >> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This just got posted here by the local newspaper. They ran a poll
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> a week or so on facebook. Totally unscientific, but I was surprised
>> >> >> by
>> >> >> the results in a state that votes heavily republic outside of Kansas
>> >> >> City and St Louis.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Sean Heskett 
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > maybe she could get Stephen Colbert to be her running mate for
>> >> >> > Veep.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > At least with a Fey/Colbert ticket we'd know it's all just jokes
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > BS.
>> >> >> > with everyone else who's running i think they actually mean what
>> >> >> > they
>> >> >> > say
>> >> >> > which is very odd and sad.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Bill Prince
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Now that's the best candidate I've heard of all year!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> bp
>> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On 1/25/2016 10:34 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Tina Fey for President!!!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown 
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-iowa-president-rally-republican-2016-1#ooid=s3MGViMDE6WalVAzxaVCZrjPrVVGfYGy
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> https://youtu.be/0pinZNYxQeo
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

[Chuck McCown]

I hear banjos...

-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 3:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT- Which one did it better?

You're talking to the wrong person. I went through Kentucky Public
Schools, so I have roughly the same education as an Aboriginal
Bush-Child, but I lack their real world usefulness.

I was just overly excited when I thought I learned that "turd sandwich
man" was a position that someone could aspire to.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

haha good catch in regards to my lack of proper comma usage Josh.

Everyone named Josh must of had proper sentence structure and grammar brow
beaten into them from a young age lol. usually it's Lutheran pointing out
mistakes ;-)


On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:


Is that "turd sandwich, man", or did you really mean "turd sandwich man"?

If it's the former: *fistbump* I agree brother man!

If it's the latter: What is a turd sandwich man? It sounds like a job.
Not a career, mind you, but a job.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> it's always a choice between a douche and a turd sandwich man...ALWAYS!
>
> https://youtu.be/Pji_IX-UacM
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>>
>> *shrug*
>>
>> I see no truly viable candidate.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>> > The people that actually vote were probably busy at work.  The 
>> > people

>> > voting
>> > for Bernie just sit on Facebook all day.
>> >
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> > 

>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> This just got posted here by the local newspaper. They ran a poll
>> >> for
>> >> a week or so on facebook. Totally unscientific, but I was surprised
>> >> by
>> >> the results in a state that votes heavily republic outside of 
>> >> Kansas

>> >> City and St Louis.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Sean Heskett 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > maybe she could get Stephen Colbert to be her running mate for
>> >> > Veep.
>> >> >
>> >> > At least with a Fey/Colbert ticket we'd know it's all just jokes
>> >> > and
>> >> > BS.
>> >> > with everyone else who's running i think they actually mean what
>> >> > they
>> >> > say
>> >> > which is very odd and sad.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Bill Prince
>> >> > 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Now that's the best candidate I've heard of all year!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> bp
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 1/25/2016 10:34 AM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Tina Fey for President!!!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown 
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 
http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-iowa-president-rally-republican-2016-1#ooid=s3MGViMDE6WalVAzxaVCZrjPrVVGfYGy
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> https://youtu.be/0pinZNYxQeo
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5ms frame on 450

[Sean Heskett]

is adding an AP physically tough (tower space, winter time etc.) or
logically tough (not enough spectrum)?

just curious


On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Eric Muehleisen 
wrote:

> Sean, I think you're correct. Adding an additional AP will be tough in
> this particular situation. Just trying to squeeze as much as we can
> our of this AP.
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> > If it was me, I'd just deploy another AP instead of trying to tweak the
> > frame for just a little bit more speed.  you'll end up back at 100%
> capacity
> > in no time with the frame tweaks.  with adding an AP that should solve
> the
> > problem for at least a year.
> >
> > 2 cents
> >
> > -Sean
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Eric Muehleisen 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I had the same question. I'm considering changing an AP from 2.5ms to
> >> 5ms. I'm aware of the doubled latency, but I'm more interested in the
> >> additional 7mb/s downlink (according to 450 capacity planner).
> >>
> >> We have an AP with ~50 subs and it reaches 100% downlink every
> >> evening. I'm considering changing downlink from 75% to 85% and moving
> >> to 5ms frames. By doing so, we should increase capacity by 9 to 11mb/s
> >> on the downlink.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Vlad Sedov  wrote:
> >> > Hey folks.
> >> >
> >> > Has anyone experimented with 5ms frame on pmp450 or the 450i? Last
> >> > couple of
> >> > times I tried it, it seemed like overall throughput on the AP was
> >> > slightly
> >> > worse than on 2.5ms, even though radio to radio link tests were
> higher.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > peace
> >> >
> >> > Vlad
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

[Josh Luthman]

Our VOIP provider pushes these.  Few people in our office building have
started using them.  Seems to work pretty well with Broadsoft.

I'm still stuck on my Cisco 7960.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Anyone used the Panasonic sip phones?  I have a business office that
> doesn’t like the UBNT products due to the feel of the handset etc.  They
> also want a DECT wireless option.
>
> Personally I am OK with AASTRA but in this situation I am trying to make
> front office folks happy.  We will be turning down their old panasonic key
> system soon and I want to try to approximate the type of handset they have
> been using.  Could just swap handsets but they don’t work and they don’t
> fit the switchhook of the sip phones.
>

[AFMUG] Looking for service out west

[George Skorup]

Hit me off list if you can get wireless to these locations.

2791 Lenwood Rd, Barstow, CA 92311

2590 E. Tropicana, Las Vegas, CA 89109

Re: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

[Nate Burke]

I've been very happy with the Grandstream phones  2140 and 2160.  I 
really like that the 2160 has the sidecar built in, no need to add 
anything extra.  Only have had 1 failure so far.  Phone had the display 
go out.  RMA'd without an issue.  While finding a hefty piece of wood to 
knock on, I haven't had any stability issues with the 6104.  Started 
deploying them about a year and a half ago. Price is definitely good too.


On 1/25/2016 1:56 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Man, the Greandstream UCM platform is *pretty darn good*, but I had
some stability issues on the 6104. I really want to like it and for it
to work, but it has some quirks. It's stupid easy to use, and sitll
lets you drop down and debug asterisk directly.

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

I recently did an install replacing an old Toshiba PBX and used Grandstream
phones, but it was also using a Grandstream PBX (UCM) which had the
advantage of zero touch config.  Not sure if you are configuring the phones
via TFTP or manually.

For this customer we did put in one of the Grandstream DECT phones (DP715)
and it worked fine.  Haven�t tried adding more DECT handsets to the base
yet, but is supposed to work.

What is it they like about the Panasonic phones?


From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Sip Phones

Anyone used the Panasonic sip phones?  I have a business office that doesn�t
like the UBNT products due to the feel of the handset etc.  They also want a
DECT wireless option.

Personally I am OK with AASTRA but in this situation I am trying to make
front office folks happy.  We will be turning down their old panasonic key
system soon and I want to try to approximate the type of handset they have
been using.  Could just swap handsets but they don�t work and they don�t fit
the switchhook of the sip phones.

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for service out west

[Jaime Solorza]

Las Vegas,NM as well

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:12 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> I copied and pasted the info I was provided. Obviously a typo being that
> the ZIP is correct.
>
> On 1/25/2016 1:55 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Obviously the Arby's in Vegas =P
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> I thought Las Vegas was in Nevada?
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 1/25/2016 11:49 AM, George Skorup wrote:
>>
>>> Hit me off list if you can get wireless to these locations.
>>>
>>> 2791 Lenwood Rd, Barstow, CA 92311
>>>
>>> 2590 E. Tropicana, Las Vegas, CA 89109
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU access cabling?

[Gino Villarini]

its cat5 and fiber.  We want to bypass it... but cable owner says we "have"
to use it

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Phone and coax are owned by the property no matter who installed it.
>
> Fiber and cat5/6 Ethernet is still kind of a grey area that hasn't been
> determined.  But would probably follow the same rules.
>
> On Monday, January 25, 2016, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
>> A local provider wired a whole business MDU.  We are trying to light up a
>> customer on the premises.  They are charging ridiculous fees to access the
>> cabling. Is this legal?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU access cabling?

[David]

Last statement is best to avoid any path to end user issues.


On 01/25/2016 02:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

If the owner of the property agrees it is probably legal.
If the owner of the cabling is not a regulated public utility it is 
probably legal.
If it has been wired by a public utility then you should have some 
rights to use the wiring.  Otherwise all bets are off.
Be best to negotiate with the owner of the MDU and run your own wiring 
if possible.

*From:* Gino Villarini 
*Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2016 1:12 PM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Can a provider have exclusive rights to MDU access 
cabling?
A local provider wired a whole business MDU. We are trying to light up 
a customer on the premises. They are charging ridiculous fees to 
access the cabling. Is this legal?