Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

[Sterling Jacobson]

Sounds interesting.

What I really want, if it exists, is a full layer system.

Such that I can enter my GIS info for conduit and conduit capacity and used 
capacity on the physical level, then the fiber type/count in each section by 
geo on top of that, then the splice points/case map and power readings on top 
of that.

Then the network layer on top of that with all the switch connections and 
capacity, then the layer 3 on top of that with current routing info.

Too much to ask for, but it would be awesome to say give me the details between 
point A and B and explode the view open to all layers to review things at any 
level.

From: Af  On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 11:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

You can use TowerCoverage.com to map your fiber as well as use our “End User 
Submission” system to match potential users to the fiber mapping.



Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Paul 
Stewart
Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2018 6:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

We utilize Patch Manager - https://patchmanager.com

It started as a great way to DCIM – data center racks across many locations etc 
but with their GIS mapping add-on and other features we’re looking to utilize 
it for fiber builds and should work pretty nicely ….

Paul


From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Brian 
Webster mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>>
Reply-To: mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, June 1, 2018 at 10:46 PM
To: mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

Yes QGIS is a great program and since it is open source you will find a lot of 
support and how to articles. Not as simple as Google Earth Pro but it has a lot 
more power. A real professional GIS platform. The key to its flexibility are 
the plugins you can download. Plan on spending some time reading through each 
of those descriptions to see if there are features you want. It certainly has a 
learning curve as does any mapping program. On the higher level you can 
actually connect to most database platforms so if you plan on managing your 
plant with more than spreadsheets you can keep both the mapping and database 
tied together as one.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 5:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

QGIS is very useful and open source (as in free).

Nothing specific for fiber mapping in it but it could pretty easily be used for 
it if I was ambitious enough to put all the info in.

Mark

On Jun 1, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

For basic needs, the advantage of doing mapping using Google Earth Pro is that 
most "serious" GIS packages support import and export to/from the XML format 
Google Earth uses. A line on the map on Google Earth or a multi-segmented line 
is just a collection of vector placemarks in a XML file with lat/long 
coordinates, with metadata describing the thickness of the line, the color of 
the line, how many intermediate points are on the line, and so forth.

The best organizational advice I can give is to use folders and subfolders in 
Google Earth Pro appropriately to sort projects, so that you don't end up with 
a single folder that contains 500 unnamed lines. Might look fine when viewed on 
a map but can become an organization nightmare.

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Cassidy B. Larson 
mailto:c...@infowest.com>> wrote:
Last topic I see on this was from 2014. So maybe it’s time to review and ask 
again? What are you guys using for fiber mapping, now in 2018?

In 2014 I read:
Craig was doing google earth and excel sheets.
Chuck Hogg was using Manifold (kinda), and some Google Maps Engine.
Mike H was using ArcMap for his clients.
A few other google sheets.

What’s changed, what’s new, what’re you using today? Same as before?  Something 
different? Why?

-c

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

[Sterling Jacobson]

What kind of costs are we talking about?

We’ve got lines on GE and hand drawn maps and spreadsheets of info along with 
stuff in several peoples heads that need to be put into a system soon.

And limited time/budget to allocate to this, so it has to be an awesome 
intuitive product with great support and not cost $10k.



From: Af  On Behalf Of Leroy Koglin
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 10:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018


We started using VETROFiberMap about 6 months ago. Very happy with them.

http://vetrofibermap.com/



On 6/1/2018 4:34 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
Last topic I see on this was from 2014. So maybe it’s time to review and ask 
again? What are you guys using for fiber mapping, now in 2018?

In 2014 I read:
Craig was doing google earth and excel sheets.
Chuck Hogg was using Manifold (kinda), and some Google Maps Engine.
Mike H was using ArcMap for his clients.
A few other google sheets.

What’s changed, what’s new, what’re you using today? Same as before?  Something 
different? Why?


-c

Re: [AFMUG] FS.com switches

[Sterling Jacobson]

I’m not sure, but the hardware looks similar to other ‘vendors’ switches.

Pretty soon it won’t matter, they will all be SDN.

From: Af  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 12:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] FS.com switches

Is Fs.com the OEM for somebody else's switches?  If so, who?

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action

[Sterling Jacobson]

This all sounds very familiar.

Our fine was $20k I think.

Ours was a UBNT card that we had a label for, placed on the outside, but they 
thought it was interfering.

In our case the FCC agents came, had us turn it off, and there was still a 
problem.
So it wasn't us, it was Utah Broadband and one or two others I think.
Our radio was operating powered way down on a large dish at 90 degrees offset 
from radar location.
It was also way outside the defined 'zone' for DFS and possible interference.
Hence DFS never kicked in, or just wasn't working on that card, who knows.
But it was on the top of a mountain, directly in line with several other ISP 
providers 5GHz radios.

After the test and turn down, they told us we were all good and left the next 
day.

Then about a year later the FCC sent us a similar letter, stating that we 
didn't comply at the time and were interfering with radar.

They gave us and a few others a similar fine all at the same time I think.

I was furious, because their field agents had misrepresented and manipulated 
the situation regarding us and our actions.

I contested, and they put a stay pending further review. 
Meaning they put the fine on hold and green lighted us for FCC registrations 
etc.
During that time, like a year later I think, I sold the company to JAB and 
dissolved it.
There was no radios, operations, or legal entity even registered anymore.

Still not sure what they were thinking or if they ever resolved it internally 
to make a final decision.

But in my mind things were completely clear, they had made an example of us and 
others.

I don't doubt this Vegas company will get fined as well, regardless of what the 
actual infringement and situation was.


-Original Message-
From: Af  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 5:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action

I remember Sterling's find was originally $25K.  Not sure what he eventually 
settled at.

-Original Message-
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 2:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action

I'm pretty sure Microserv had a fine over a misconfigured Mikrotik.  I seem to 
think it was $25k, but my memory isn't perfect.
I'd be surprised if these guys didn't get slapped though.

-Adam

-- Original Message --
From: "David Coudron" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 5/1/2018 4:17:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action

>At the bottom I think they said they will consider what, if any fines will 
>be levied.   At least that is the way I read it.
>
>Thanks,
>
>David Coudron
>david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
>
>Advantenon, Inc.
>i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN
>55447  |  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 
>612-454-1545
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Af  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 3:15 PM
>To: af@afmug.com
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action
>
>I noticed there was no fine mentioned.  Does that come later?
>
>
>-- Original Message --
>From: "Seth Mattinen" 
>To: af@afmug.com
>Sent: 5/1/2018 2:08:56 PM
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action
>
>>On 5/1/18 10:51, Tim Hardy wrote:
>>>LV.NET ; LAS VEGAS, NEVADA �89104. ��Notice of 
>>>Unlicensed Operation and Notification of Harmful Interference issued 
>>>for interference complaint to FAA Terminal Doppler Weather Radar 
>>>operating on 5645 MHz in Las Vegas, Nevada. Action by: �Regional 
>>>Director, Region Three, Enforcement Bureau. Adopted: �04/27/2018 by 
>>>Notice. �EB 
>>>https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-350491A1.docx
>>>https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-350491A1.pdf
>>
>>
>>Only an idiot would use a TDWR frequency anywhere near an airport with 
>>one. That's just challenging someone to come find you.
>>
>>Is that an DFS unlock code with updated sticker required model they 
>>were using, but didn't bother to actually put the new sticker on it?
>

Re: [AFMUG] FCC USF and 499 Filing

[Sterling Jacobson]

Then why is my upstream provider charging me USF fee on my broadband only 
connection?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC USF and 499 Filing

Just 477

The reclassification didn’t change the USF status of information services, and 
by the same token it’s repeal didn’t change it’s status.

USF is based on voice service and some interstate data circuits.


Mark Radabaugh
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
fcc_ch...@wispa.org<mailto:fcc_ch...@wispa.org>
419-261-5996

On Apr 24, 2018, at 9:31 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:

Ok, sorry, so I've been extremely busy this year and missed the fact that the 
FCC once again re-classified us in January 2018 as a Service Provider instead 
of a Telecommunications Provider. Therefor exempting us from filing 499A/Q and 
having to pay into the FUSF fund if we are only providing internet, not 
VoIP/Telephone services.

Is that correct?

-Original Message-
From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 6:47 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>' <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] FCC USF and 499 Filing

So now I'm digging to this more to make sure I'm on the right track.

ALL broadband/internet ISP providers are now classified Telecommunications 
providers and must file FCC 499a or 499q and pay USF if not de-minimus?

Is this where we all stand now?

Re: [AFMUG] FCC USF and 499 Filing

[Sterling Jacobson]

Ok, sorry, so I've been extremely busy this year and missed the fact that the 
FCC once again re-classified us in January 2018 as a Service Provider instead 
of a Telecommunications Provider. Therefor exempting us from filing 499A/Q and 
having to pay into the FUSF fund if we are only providing internet, not 
VoIP/Telephone services.

Is that correct?

-Original Message-
From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 6:47 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] FCC USF and 499 Filing

So now I'm digging to this more to make sure I'm on the right track.

ALL broadband/internet ISP providers are now classified Telecommunications 
providers and must file FCC 499a or 499q and pay USF if not de-minimus?

Is this where we all stand now?

[AFMUG] FCC USF and 499 Filing

[Sterling Jacobson]

So now I'm digging to this more to make sure I'm on the right track.

ALL broadband/internet ISP providers are now classified Telecommunications 
providers and must file FCC 499a or 499q and pay USF if not de-minimus?

Is this where we all stand now?

Re: [AFMUG] Switch Storm Control

[Sterling Jacobson]

Well, that’s possible I guess, but it’s a real PITA to configure and keep 
straight.

I mean, you got to keep it tight until it hits the actual router interface, and 
I have at least two points of VRRP entry into each bank of switches.

It’s just much simpler to do static MAC/IP assignments in the DHCP server and 
lock the switches down with snooping and broadcast controls.

Works well, just need to optimize the settings.

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 3:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch Storm Control

If you are doing fiber with active ethernet, why not just run QinQ with a CVLAN 
for each port and an SVLAN back to wherever?

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 4:40 PM, Dave 
<dmilho...@wletc.com<mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
OMG!
 what a broadcast nightmare :)

On 04/17/2018 11:49 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
Well, I’m using 48 port or more switches attached to each other, so I need 
something to limit it.

The switches typically limit ingress per port, so a low limiter should only 
affect the devices behind that port if one of the devices storm out.

I do have DHCP snooping, but that doesn’t necessarily block other types of bad 
traffic like that.

One thing I have to be careful of is to not broadly limit the uplink ports as 
well.

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com><mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Adam 
Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 6:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch Storm Control

Exactly what I was thinking.

Is it a global setting for the switch or an ingress limit per port?  If you can 
limit it per port then something like 5pps should be plenty.  They only need to 
ARP their default gateway and send a DHCP discover...anything else is surplus 
garbage. But If it's a global limit then someone sending garbage could prevent 
everybody else's ARP from working.

I may not be thinking clearly but doesn't port isolation address the risk of 
broadcast storms? You allow one path from the customer's access port to the 
uplink port.  Any broadcast traffic is received only at the router port which 
will only respond to the ones that matter and ignore the rest.

I recognize there are reasons to not like PPPoE, but PPPoE is another way to 
address it.  You configure the switch to discard anything from an access port 
that is not PPPoE.



-- Original Message --
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
<li...@packetflux.com<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 4/17/2018 3:01:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch Storm Control

I don't have a good answer for you but  I really wish more devices 
would permit filtering such that the only broadcasts/multicasts permitted on 
customer facing segments were ARP and possibly DCHP if that's applicable to you.

If you can exempt arp and dhcp from this, then the correct value is likely as 
low as you can set it.

If you can't exempt arp and dhcp, you need to think about the ramifications 
where a low level broadcast storm saturates the setting you have set and 
prevents arp and dhcp from working

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
What are you guys using as a 'standard' for packets per second storm control on 
your switches/devices?

I can limit broadcast, multicast and unknown unicast type packets

Is 100pps too low?

Would this be based on say a /24 network arping and DHCP request type traffic?



--
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Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Switch Storm Control

[Sterling Jacobson]

Well, I’m using 48 port or more switches attached to each other, so I need 
something to limit it.

The switches typically limit ingress per port, so a low limiter should only 
affect the devices behind that port if one of the devices storm out.

I do have DHCP snooping, but that doesn’t necessarily block other types of bad 
traffic like that.

One thing I have to be careful of is to not broadly limit the uplink ports as 
well.

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 6:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch Storm Control

Exactly what I was thinking.

Is it a global setting for the switch or an ingress limit per port?  If you can 
limit it per port then something like 5pps should be plenty.  They only need to 
ARP their default gateway and send a DHCP discover...anything else is surplus 
garbage. But If it's a global limit then someone sending garbage could prevent 
everybody else's ARP from working.

I may not be thinking clearly but doesn't port isolation address the risk of 
broadcast storms? You allow one path from the customer's access port to the 
uplink port.  Any broadcast traffic is received only at the router port which 
will only respond to the ones that matter and ignore the rest.

I recognize there are reasons to not like PPPoE, but PPPoE is another way to 
address it.  You configure the switch to discard anything from an access port 
that is not PPPoE.



-- Original Message --
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
<li...@packetflux.com<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 4/17/2018 3:01:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch Storm Control

I don't have a good answer for you but  I really wish more devices 
would permit filtering such that the only broadcasts/multicasts permitted on 
customer facing segments were ARP and possibly DCHP if that's applicable to you.

If you can exempt arp and dhcp from this, then the correct value is likely as 
low as you can set it.

If you can't exempt arp and dhcp, you need to think about the ramifications 
where a low level broadcast storm saturates the setting you have set and 
prevents arp and dhcp from working

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
What are you guys using as a 'standard' for packets per second storm control on 
your switches/devices?

I can limit broadcast, multicast and unknown unicast type packets

Is 100pps too low?

Would this be based on say a /24 network arping and DHCP request type traffic?



--
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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
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[AFMUG] Switch Storm Control

[Sterling Jacobson]

What are you guys using as a 'standard' for packets per second storm control on 
your switches/devices?

I can limit broadcast, multicast and unknown unicast type packets

Is 100pps too low?

Would this be based on say a /24 network arping and DHCP request type traffic?

[AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF Refresher

[Sterling Jacobson]

I've got all sorts of conflicting entries now in my CCR for OSPF.

Some I have all interfaces manually registered, is that supposed to be there?

Some networks are specific IP's, some are /24 net wide, some have some public 
IP client space I'm routing internally, some externally.

I think after a few years and a few people getting in these and making changes 
I've got to clean house.

Can anyone share like the basics of how they set up OSPF for a router that also 
does BGP, and then the other core routers in a ring?

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

[Sterling Jacobson]

They are working well for us, and I have a horrible generic support DT, lol!

I have had zero complaints from my customers so far this year, so I think they 
are doing well.

The only feedback I’ve had is customers hear our company name pronounced five 
different ways, even though the DT instructs the proper pronunciation.

But it’s a made-up name so my customer are always confused on pronunciation 
themselves.


From: Af  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 11:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

I would add that Layne’s service is only as good as the decision tree that you 
provide to him.  The more detailed DT, the better the service will be.

From: Layne Sisk
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

I would like to share some solid stats with the group.  Please see those below. 
 The comment about a decline is hard to address without looking at stats.  Kind 
of like the user that calls you and vaguely  says “My internet seems slow” when 
you have stats that show they are getting more than they are paying for.  We 
have hired a number of new people recently because we have grown and have added 
a new office but as Justin said this is a slow time of the year so we also took 
advantage of this time to get rid of some of our weaker performers.  Here are 
the company wide stats for the past week with some comments about them, I would 
stack these up against any call center in the world.  Sorry if I come on 
strong, but as you all know this is my baby and I care a lot about it just like 
you do about your networks.  I know we are not perfect, out of 6000 calls I am 
sure we made a mistake or two and I am happy to address any individual issue 
directly, but I am pretty proud of what we do.


OFFICE STATS









SP

GOAL

Comment

AVERAGE TALK TIME









0:11:05

0:10:00

Down from over 13 min 2 months ago

  TOTAL TALK TIME VS SCHEDULED









69.94%

80%

This is agent utilization

SURVEY SCORE









91.66%

95%

91.66% of callers would recommend the service That  is a number any company 
would kill for

SURVEY TAKEN









20.57%

20%

A full 20% of callers responded to our survey, that number is unheard of

TECH ESCALATION









39.31%

20%

Higher escalation percentage this week because of the storms and significant 
network outages

ESCALATION APPROVAL TIME









0:11:47

0:10:00

Down from over 30 min 4 months ago

QA SCORE









92.05%

95%

Happy to share our QA form with anyone who would like to see it












































COMPANY STATS









SP

GOAL



















CALL WAIT TIME









0:01:52

2:00

Less than 2 min wait time even though our SLA is less than 3

BILLABLE CALLS









6112

10,000

Reflection of the slow season

















ABANDONED TIME









0.37

2:00

Outage recordings cause people to hang up once they hear the recording

































CALLS TAKEN PER HOUR









4.10

5.45

This is calls answered per worked hour



















Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102
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[Utah 100]   [fast50-01] [Inc 5000]

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 10:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Serverplus

Has anyone noted a consistent decline in quality with these guys, and a large 
number of different tech names in their tickets?
Its almost looking like they outsourced their outsourcing.

Re: [AFMUG] It's on

[Sterling Jacobson]

Sure, ok.

Put me down for something I guess.


From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 11:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It's on

You get to present!

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 11:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It's on

That sounds awesome!

I’m marking that on my calendar right now for myself and some of my people, lol

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Chuck 
McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 11:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] It's on

June 12 & 13 AnimalFarm

I even have vendors tracking me down here at WISPAmerica wanting to sponsor.

Going to start to put together the agenda.  Very short sessions like always.
Need the crowd to evolve this thing.

Day 1:
Fiber theory, channels, band plan
SFPs
Passive mux
CWDM DWDM

FTTH network topology
GPON
AE
Pros and cons

OSP Network Components
Costs and Features
Cable
Conduit
Handholes
Splice Cases
Splitters

Cabinets
Cross boxes
Electronics
Powering and cooling

Fiber
Splicing
Connectors
Engineering considerations
Costs

NOC
MT FTTH in a box solution

Day 2:  Hands On
HDD operations
Vacuum Excavators
Hole Hawg and other missiles
Underground location
Eating mass quantities of dead animals.

Re: [AFMUG] It's on

[Sterling Jacobson]

That sounds awesome!

I'm marking that on my calendar right now for myself and some of my people, lol

From: Af  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 11:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] It's on

June 12 & 13 AnimalFarm

I even have vendors tracking me down here at WISPAmerica wanting to sponsor.

Going to start to put together the agenda.  Very short sessions like always.
Need the crowd to evolve this thing.

Day 1:
Fiber theory, channels, band plan
SFPs
Passive mux
CWDM DWDM

FTTH network topology
GPON
AE
Pros and cons

OSP Network Components
Costs and Features
Cable
Conduit
Handholes
Splice Cases
Splitters

Cabinets
Cross boxes
Electronics
Powering and cooling

Fiber
Splicing
Connectors
Engineering considerations
Costs

NOC
MT FTTH in a box solution

Day 2:  Hands On
HDD operations
Vacuum Excavators
Hole Hawg and other missiles
Underground location
Eating mass quantities of dead animals.

Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy

[Sterling Jacobson]

Riders of Rohan UNITE!

From: Af  On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 11:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] COW trailer - looking to rent or buy

Stupid autocorrect.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Mar 2, 2018, at 9:04 PM, TJ Trout > 
wrote:
What's a Rohan style one??

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 5:29 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
> wrote:
They’re custom. I can make them as tall as you’d like. Freestanding monopole 
style or Rohan style. Generator or solar powered. Etc
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Mar 2, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
Brett,

You make the COWS? How tall?

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:17 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
> wrote:
I recently started a company with my brother where we make these custom for the 
same or less than the average cookie cutter ones. Let me know if you want to 
buy a custom one. We have one to fit every budget and it only takes 2 weeks to 
manufacture and deliver.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Mar 2, 2018, at 10:13 AM, Jeremy 
> wrote:
I am pretty sure that it was Bill MacNamara that had a bunch of them from an 
acquisition in Texas.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM, TJ Trout 
> wrote:
someone was selling like 40 new ones they were surplus on WISPA list I think 
about 6 months ago...

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:





Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:image001.png@01D3B2E9.37D5A9F0]

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Billing Portal

[Sterling Jacobson]

Ah, that explains it.

I’ll follow up tomorrow, thanks for your help/responses Simon.

I guess I’ll just go home too.

Customers don’t use their internet after hours anyways 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 5:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Billing Portal

We're closed right now. Nobody is going to respond until tomorrow. You can give 
them a call in the morning as well if you'd like to.
On 2/27/2018 6:15 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
I’ve been responding to support emails from your team, and just sent another 
email just now.

Not getting a lot of response back.

I figured out how to reset it with digitalocean, so I can do that, just not 
sure if your team is working on it as is, or if they want it reset now?

They need to reply to my emails.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 5:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Billing Portal

You just reload the OS through DigitalOcean. Nothing will change with the IP.

If you work through this with our support team, it will be a quick and painless 
process.
On 2/27/2018 5:55 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
The problem with wiping is that I’m not guaranteed the same IP address.

There is a lot tied to that IP address now.
A and  name records, email server records to allow relay, firewall config 
etc.

I’m not sure digital ocean has an option to just nuke an image in place?

How do I do that with a droplet?

Or is there a ubuntu option that I can run from within, that just resets the 
whole damn install to initial config?



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 4:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Billing Portal

There is only one way to install it. It has never used nginx. The step by step 
walk through is at https://github.com/SonarSoftware/customer_portal/wiki.

We are happy to install it for you, if you wipe the server out so we can just 
walk through the install process. There is no customer login information in the 
portal. It is stored inside Sonar. This can be solved very quickly with a fresh 
server, and just letting our staff set it up for you.
On 2/27/2018 4:41 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
That’s what I was hoping with this, but no, out of the blue it decided to just 
corrupt or something.

They got it working to the degree that it shows up now, but they had to disable 
nginx and run Apache.
Which is odd, because I think someone else from their company originally got in 
and used nginx instead of Apache.

So their left hand doesn’t appear to know what their right hand is doing.

Anywho, it’s still F’ed up because I lost my logo, and apparently all of the 
customer defined login information for the portal too?
Not sure, but no one can actually log in to pay yet.

It’s killing me and my customers right now.

Cassidy, is yours running Apache or nginx?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 1:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Billing Portal

I have had zero issues with their portal code. Just stock ubuntu VM then follow 
their install instructions and done. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.
I customized the logo and some text on the main page via the config file, but 
that was really it. I haven’t looked at it much since.

--

Cassidy B. Larson
CTO - InfoWest, Inc.
Voice: 435-773-6073
c...@infowest.com<mailto:c...@infowest.com>







On Feb 27, 2018, at 12:12 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:

Again, I'm completely flummoxed by Sonar.

Apparently their customer portal isn't really a part of their system.

Any Sonar customer has to purchase and maintain their own linux system to host 
the web/portal system.
Then that ties into their main system BUT isn't immediately synched up with 
their main system on any changes.

I've had several times where I've been on the phone with customers and made a 
billing change in Sonar and the customer can't see it in the portal until an 
unspecified amount of time goes by and it updates magically.

NOW my portal is completely out of the blue not responding to web requests and 
appears offline to my customers, for over a day now.

Sonar can't figure it out and want me to nuke it and start over, which if I 
remember, cost me a few hours of time to arrange DNS, SSH access, IPv4/6 
changes, firewall, SSL, logo placement etc beyond their initial load.

I blame myself for not having set up incremental backups of it.
I'll definitely fix that this time.

But man it would have been so much more simpler if Sonar actually had 
themselves a hosted client page I could slap my logo on and change a few CSS 
color marks.

What a PITA.






--

Simon Westlake | CE

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Billing Portal

[Sterling Jacobson]

I’ve been responding to support emails from your team, and just sent another 
email just now.

Not getting a lot of response back.

I figured out how to reset it with digitalocean, so I can do that, just not 
sure if your team is working on it as is, or if they want it reset now?

They need to reply to my emails.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 5:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Billing Portal

You just reload the OS through DigitalOcean. Nothing will change with the IP.

If you work through this with our support team, it will be a quick and painless 
process.
On 2/27/2018 5:55 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
The problem with wiping is that I’m not guaranteed the same IP address.

There is a lot tied to that IP address now.
A and  name records, email server records to allow relay, firewall config 
etc.

I’m not sure digital ocean has an option to just nuke an image in place?

How do I do that with a droplet?

Or is there a ubuntu option that I can run from within, that just resets the 
whole damn install to initial config?



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 4:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Billing Portal

There is only one way to install it. It has never used nginx. The step by step 
walk through is at https://github.com/SonarSoftware/customer_portal/wiki.

We are happy to install it for you, if you wipe the server out so we can just 
walk through the install process. There is no customer login information in the 
portal. It is stored inside Sonar. This can be solved very quickly with a fresh 
server, and just letting our staff set it up for you.
On 2/27/2018 4:41 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
That’s what I was hoping with this, but no, out of the blue it decided to just 
corrupt or something.

They got it working to the degree that it shows up now, but they had to disable 
nginx and run Apache.
Which is odd, because I think someone else from their company originally got in 
and used nginx instead of Apache.

So their left hand doesn’t appear to know what their right hand is doing.

Anywho, it’s still F’ed up because I lost my logo, and apparently all of the 
customer defined login information for the portal too?
Not sure, but no one can actually log in to pay yet.

It’s killing me and my customers right now.

Cassidy, is yours running Apache or nginx?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 1:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Billing Portal

I have had zero issues with their portal code. Just stock ubuntu VM then follow 
their install instructions and done. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.
I customized the logo and some text on the main page via the config file, but 
that was really it. I haven’t looked at it much since.

--

Cassidy B. Larson
CTO - InfoWest, Inc.
Voice: 435-773-6073
c...@infowest.com<mailto:c...@infowest.com>






On Feb 27, 2018, at 12:12 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:

Again, I'm completely flummoxed by Sonar.

Apparently their customer portal isn't really a part of their system.

Any Sonar customer has to purchase and maintain their own linux system to host 
the web/portal system.
Then that ties into their main system BUT isn't immediately synched up with 
their main system on any changes.

I've had several times where I've been on the phone with customers and made a 
billing change in Sonar and the customer can't see it in the portal until an 
unspecified amount of time goes by and it updates magically.

NOW my portal is completely out of the blue not responding to web requests and 
appears offline to my customers, for over a day now.

Sonar can't figure it out and want me to nuke it and start over, which if I 
remember, cost me a few hours of time to arrange DNS, SSH access, IPv4/6 
changes, firewall, SSL, logo placement etc beyond their initial load.

I blame myself for not having set up incremental backups of it.
I'll definitely fix that this time.

But man it would have been so much more simpler if Sonar actually had 
themselves a hosted client page I could slap my logo on and change a few CSS 
color marks.

What a PITA.





--

Simon Westlake | CEO

simon@sonar.software<mailto:simon@sonar.software>

(702) 447-1247

https://sonar.software



--

Simon Westlake | CEO

simon@sonar.software<mailto:simon@sonar.software>

(702) 447-1247

https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Billing Portal

[Sterling Jacobson]

The problem with wiping is that I’m not guaranteed the same IP address.

There is a lot tied to that IP address now.
A and  name records, email server records to allow relay, firewall config 
etc.

I’m not sure digital ocean has an option to just nuke an image in place?

How do I do that with a droplet?

Or is there a ubuntu option that I can run from within, that just resets the 
whole damn install to initial config?



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 4:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Billing Portal

There is only one way to install it. It has never used nginx. The step by step 
walk through is at https://github.com/SonarSoftware/customer_portal/wiki.

We are happy to install it for you, if you wipe the server out so we can just 
walk through the install process. There is no customer login information in the 
portal. It is stored inside Sonar. This can be solved very quickly with a fresh 
server, and just letting our staff set it up for you.
On 2/27/2018 4:41 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
That’s what I was hoping with this, but no, out of the blue it decided to just 
corrupt or something.

They got it working to the degree that it shows up now, but they had to disable 
nginx and run Apache.
Which is odd, because I think someone else from their company originally got in 
and used nginx instead of Apache.

So their left hand doesn’t appear to know what their right hand is doing.

Anywho, it’s still F’ed up because I lost my logo, and apparently all of the 
customer defined login information for the portal too?
Not sure, but no one can actually log in to pay yet.

It’s killing me and my customers right now.

Cassidy, is yours running Apache or nginx?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 1:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Billing Portal

I have had zero issues with their portal code. Just stock ubuntu VM then follow 
their install instructions and done. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.
I customized the logo and some text on the main page via the config file, but 
that was really it. I haven’t looked at it much since.

--

Cassidy B. Larson
CTO - InfoWest, Inc.
Voice: 435-773-6073
c...@infowest.com<mailto:c...@infowest.com>





On Feb 27, 2018, at 12:12 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:

Again, I'm completely flummoxed by Sonar.

Apparently their customer portal isn't really a part of their system.

Any Sonar customer has to purchase and maintain their own linux system to host 
the web/portal system.
Then that ties into their main system BUT isn't immediately synched up with 
their main system on any changes.

I've had several times where I've been on the phone with customers and made a 
billing change in Sonar and the customer can't see it in the portal until an 
unspecified amount of time goes by and it updates magically.

NOW my portal is completely out of the blue not responding to web requests and 
appears offline to my customers, for over a day now.

Sonar can't figure it out and want me to nuke it and start over, which if I 
remember, cost me a few hours of time to arrange DNS, SSH access, IPv4/6 
changes, firewall, SSL, logo placement etc beyond their initial load.

I blame myself for not having set up incremental backups of it.
I'll definitely fix that this time.

But man it would have been so much more simpler if Sonar actually had 
themselves a hosted client page I could slap my logo on and change a few CSS 
color marks.

What a PITA.




--

Simon Westlake | CEO

simon@sonar.software<mailto:simon@sonar.software>

(702) 447-1247

https://sonar.software

[AFMUG] IPv6 Status

[Sterling Jacobson]

Just for the hell of it I turned off IPv4 and just left IPv6 running on my 
public interface on my computer.

It's interesting to see what actually loads.

My Exchange client still works, but office265.com doesn't.

The Microsoft store works though, so I guess there are priorities, lol!

Facebook works, most google stuff works.

I'm using google IPv6 DNS though, so maybe they are discriminating...

Most of my bank URLs do not work.

Ebay doesn't work either.

Amazon no worky.

Youtube works, but interestingly a lot of their inline ads don't, so maybe 
that's a bonus.

My own website doesn't work.

Sonar works, as does my front page of my billing portal since I enabled IPv6 
myself on it.
DigitalOcean works.

My response and routing for things that do work seem a lot better.

Blizzard launcher doesn't connect at all, so online gaming is out for that set 
of games anyways.

Speedtest.net doesn't work.

Most of these are saying ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED or something similar with DNS 
like DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Billing Portal

[Sterling Jacobson]

That’s what I was hoping with this, but no, out of the blue it decided to just 
corrupt or something.

They got it working to the degree that it shows up now, but they had to disable 
nginx and run Apache.
Which is odd, because I think someone else from their company originally got in 
and used nginx instead of Apache.

So their left hand doesn’t appear to know what their right hand is doing.

Anywho, it’s still F’ed up because I lost my logo, and apparently all of the 
customer defined login information for the portal too?
Not sure, but no one can actually log in to pay yet.

It’s killing me and my customers right now.

Cassidy, is yours running Apache or nginx?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 1:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Billing Portal

I have had zero issues with their portal code. Just stock ubuntu VM then follow 
their install instructions and done. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.
I customized the logo and some text on the main page via the config file, but 
that was really it. I haven’t looked at it much since.

--

Cassidy B. Larson
CTO - InfoWest, Inc.
Voice: 435-773-6073
c...@infowest.com<mailto:c...@infowest.com>




On Feb 27, 2018, at 12:12 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:

Again, I'm completely flummoxed by Sonar.

Apparently their customer portal isn't really a part of their system.

Any Sonar customer has to purchase and maintain their own linux system to host 
the web/portal system.
Then that ties into their main system BUT isn't immediately synched up with 
their main system on any changes.

I've had several times where I've been on the phone with customers and made a 
billing change in Sonar and the customer can't see it in the portal until an 
unspecified amount of time goes by and it updates magically.

NOW my portal is completely out of the blue not responding to web requests and 
appears offline to my customers, for over a day now.

Sonar can't figure it out and want me to nuke it and start over, which if I 
remember, cost me a few hours of time to arrange DNS, SSH access, IPv4/6 
changes, firewall, SSL, logo placement etc beyond their initial load.

I blame myself for not having set up incremental backups of it.
I'll definitely fix that this time.

But man it would have been so much more simpler if Sonar actually had 
themselves a hosted client page I could slap my logo on and change a few CSS 
color marks.

What a PITA.

[AFMUG] Sonar Billing Portal

[Sterling Jacobson]

Again, I'm completely flummoxed by Sonar.

Apparently their customer portal isn't really a part of their system.

Any Sonar customer has to purchase and maintain their own linux system to host 
the web/portal system.
Then that ties into their main system BUT isn't immediately synched up with 
their main system on any changes.

I've had several times where I've been on the phone with customers and made a 
billing change in Sonar and the customer can't see it in the portal until an 
unspecified amount of time goes by and it updates magically.

NOW my portal is completely out of the blue not responding to web requests and 
appears offline to my customers, for over a day now.

Sonar can't figure it out and want me to nuke it and start over, which if I 
remember, cost me a few hours of time to arrange DNS, SSH access, IPv4/6 
changes, firewall, SSL, logo placement etc beyond their initial load.

I blame myself for not having set up incremental backups of it.
I'll definitely fix that this time.

But man it would have been so much more simpler if Sonar actually had 
themselves a hosted client page I could slap my logo on and change a few CSS 
color marks.

What a PITA.

Re: [AFMUG] UPS

[Sterling Jacobson]

For some reason I thought Lithium-ion had problems with low/freezing 
temperatures?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UPS

If you are talking AC we have been using APC BG500 for small sites.
Lithium-ion battery.  Has ethernet built in, you can remotely switch a couple 
of ports and off load some ports if on battery.

Adam

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:49 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] UPS

I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6 radios at 
around 10W peak each.

So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.

[AFMUG] UPS

[Sterling Jacobson]

I use Alpha FXM1100 for my fiber cabinets and four external batteries.

I need something a bit less for a smaller wall mount cabinet.

What are people using now days for small WISP cabinet UPS?

I need to power maybe a couple of 11W routers/switches and maybe 3-6 radios at 
around 10W peak each.

So maybe 150W power draw keep alive for a few hours.

Would be good if it's temperature tolerant and network manageable.

[AFMUG] FS Planet GS-5220-46S2C4X Managed network switch - Used, 1U 48 Port SFP 4 Port SFP+

[Sterling Jacobson]

I've got five (5) relatively new Planet 48 Port SFP 4 port SFP+ switches for 
$890.00 each if anyone wants them.

They need to be in a good temperature-controlled environment though, temp 
swings make them angry.

That's why I swapped them out and have them available.

Just email me off list.

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

[Sterling Jacobson]

This is my trace route to 8.8.8.8 by the way

C:\Users\Sterling>tracert 8.8.8.8

Tracing route to google-public-dns-a.google.com [8.8.8.8]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1<1 ms<1 ms<1 ms  108-165-31-1.avative.net [108.165.31.1]
  2<1 ms<1 ms<1 ms  tg1-8--200.br01.lsan.acedc.net [69.27.173.37]
  320 ms20 ms20 ms  ve131.br01.snju.acedc.net [199.58.196.114]
  420 ms20 ms20 ms  eqixsj-google-gige.google.com [206.223.116.21]
  520 ms20 ms20 ms  108.170.242.225
  620 ms20 ms20 ms  216.239.46.51
  720 ms20 ms20 ms  google-public-dns-a.google.com [8.8.8.8]

Trace complete.

It goes from my router to my upstream router to their other router then to 
google.
The rest is inside google network itself.

Works great as long as they don’t have an issue, which is about once a year for 
a few minutes at a time.

I need to move off and get my own servers on a VM soon.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

If 8.8.8.8 isn't available to the closest node as a local network, you're not 
using it.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 3:09:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box
I think that was me you asked about those three items.

AND we still use 8.8.8.8 DNS resolvers.

I know, it’s bad, but one of my upstreams is directly on Google CDN so it 
‘applies’.

I do like redundancy though.

So if you use one CCR, get two of them for your project, they are relatively 
cheap.

With fiber you really don’t need the extra servers for bandwidth shaping, I 
just shape at the CPE or switch port.

So in one cabinet you put say a 144 count panel and splice on, then get a SFP 
switch and two CCR routers.
I have used the 1036 CCR in some areas to start, and a pair of those running 
VRRP between them works great.
Plug both into 10Gbps SFP+ ports on the switch/switches and you have ‘standard’ 
redundancy.

Meaning you can bring in two 10Gbps links, one to each of the CCR units, and 
have redundant SFP+ links to the switch bank as well.

They have more than enough horse power to run DHCP, NAT, DNS etc between them 
to fill the duties for the cabinet/site.

Get a UPS, I use Alpha, and four batteries on it should work well.

Cabinet can be 20AMP and run plenty of switches on that.

I also buy an AC unit and attach it to the side of the cabinet.

I put some monitoring in there on a separate managed network to keep track of 
power and heat/temp and track the switches/CPE’s etc.

That’s about it.

Rinse, repeat.






From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 1:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

Guess I don’t need DNS.  8.8.8.8 seems cheap and easy...

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

Had a subdivision developer contact me, wanting service for their hundred or so 
homes.
I can get DIA close to the area at a reasonable area.  It will require some 
build but that is OK, that is something I feel some level of expertise.

Considering a minimal NOC build.

I asked this question of someone once before and I cannot find their answer.  
Not sure if asked on the list or not.  But the answer went something like this:


  1.  Buy a big CCR.
  2.  Hire Linktechs to configure it.
  3.  Put in a big switch for the AE SFPs and rock and roll.

I am sure I would need at least one server.  DHCP, NAT, DNS?
But can all of that be provided by the CCR?

What is the smallest NOC configuration that could be created?

Batts, rectifier, cooling.

I really could put all this in a cabinet on the corner of the street.

Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

[Sterling Jacobson]

I think that was me you asked about those three items.

AND we still use 8.8.8.8 DNS resolvers.

I know, it’s bad, but one of my upstreams is directly on Google CDN so it 
‘applies’.

I do like redundancy though.

So if you use one CCR, get two of them for your project, they are relatively 
cheap.

With fiber you really don’t need the extra servers for bandwidth shaping, I 
just shape at the CPE or switch port.

So in one cabinet you put say a 144 count panel and splice on, then get a SFP 
switch and two CCR routers.
I have used the 1036 CCR in some areas to start, and a pair of those running 
VRRP between them works great.
Plug both into 10Gbps SFP+ ports on the switch/switches and you have ‘standard’ 
redundancy.

Meaning you can bring in two 10Gbps links, one to each of the CCR units, and 
have redundant SFP+ links to the switch bank as well.

They have more than enough horse power to run DHCP, NAT, DNS etc between them 
to fill the duties for the cabinet/site.

Get a UPS, I use Alpha, and four batteries on it should work well.

Cabinet can be 20AMP and run plenty of switches on that.

I also buy an AC unit and attach it to the side of the cabinet.

I put some monitoring in there on a separate managed network to keep track of 
power and heat/temp and track the switches/CPE’s etc.

That’s about it.

Rinse, repeat.






From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 1:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

Guess I don’t need DNS.  8.8.8.8 seems cheap and easy...

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 12:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] ISP in a box

Had a subdivision developer contact me, wanting service for their hundred or so 
homes.
I can get DIA close to the area at a reasonable area.  It will require some 
build but that is OK, that is something I feel some level of expertise.

Considering a minimal NOC build.

I asked this question of someone once before and I cannot find their answer.  
Not sure if asked on the list or not.  But the answer went something like this:


  1.  Buy a big CCR.
  2.  Hire Linktechs to configure it.
  3.  Put in a big switch for the AE SFPs and rock and roll.

I am sure I would need at least one server.  DHCP, NAT, DNS?
But can all of that be provided by the CCR?

What is the smallest NOC configuration that could be created?

Batts, rectifier, cooling.

I really could put all this in a cabinet on the corner of the street.

Re: [AFMUG] Content filtering - Trustwave

[Sterling Jacobson]

I agree, but Utah seems hell bent on doing something obtrusive.

Since they can’t seem to let it go, that was my next proposal in lieu of 
abandoning the fruitless endeavor altogether.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 11:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Content filtering - Trustwave

IMO, completely 100% wrong. You don't get to come into my house or tell a 
private company that we don't meet your moral standards. The people can make 
their own damn decisions. Stop trying to legislate morality. The politicians 
that try this stuff are usually the ones that end up being freaks or porn 
addicts.

Public institutions, schools, libraries, etc. yeah, filter away. That's 
standard here in KIllinois, too.
On 2/8/2018 11:31 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
What should really happen law wise, is that the state (Utah in this case) 
approve a group of content filtering companies for end users.
Then mandate AT MOST that the ISP allow/offer at least one of those up to 
customers as a certified filtering option.

Again, not mandatory, but as viable options that are semi-pushed from the ISP 
side, still for profit.

It’s just too much and too variant to have to mandate the ISP do any kind of 
filtering ‘mid-stream’ style.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 9:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Content filtering - Trustwave

Unrelated to Chuck's thread, we started talking internally about offering 
content filtering as a value add.

An initial conversation with Trustwave seemed promising, and I'm supposed to 
have a follow up to discuss tech details later.

But does anybody still do this?  Is there still consumer interest?  How much 
are/were you selling it for?

Re: [AFMUG] Content filtering - Trustwave

[Sterling Jacobson]

What should really happen law wise, is that the state (Utah in this case) 
approve a group of content filtering companies for end users.
Then mandate AT MOST that the ISP allow/offer at least one of those up to 
customers as a certified filtering option.

Again, not mandatory, but as viable options that are semi-pushed from the ISP 
side, still for profit.

It’s just too much and too variant to have to mandate the ISP do any kind of 
filtering ‘mid-stream’ style.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 9:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Content filtering - Trustwave

Unrelated to Chuck's thread, we started talking internally about offering 
content filtering as a value add.

An initial conversation with Trustwave seemed promising, and I'm supposed to 
have a follow up to discuss tech details later.

But does anybody still do this?  Is there still consumer interest?  How much 
are/were you selling it for?

Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

[Sterling Jacobson]

I like Dells, but I have HP's because of the excess/price on eBay.

You are saying HP doesn't support like Dell?

I can believe that.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

In my opinion, check out the firmware / support polices for HP  vs Dell, before 
you make a decision on what hardware to purchase.

:)

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Andreas Wiatowski" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:08:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Server Hardware

> I just pickup off lease HP's on Ebay, lots of ram processors and 
> disk... usually don't pay more than $500-800 for them.  Gen 7 and 8's.  
> Lots of reputable sellers.
> 
> Also, Checkout PROXMOX. It's a pretty cool virtualization platform 
> with a community edition that you hack around to get the latest 
> version. I find it very easy... you can take VMDK files and convert 
> them and spin up a new instance of anything easily.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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> Silo Wireless Inc.
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> 
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> 
>On 2018-02-06, 1:02 PM, "Af on behalf of Nate Burke" 
> wrote:
> 
>I'm going to need to bring online a couple new servers (OS Instances) in
>the next month or 2.  They could probably be housed inside a single
>physical machine as VM's.  It's been a while since I've had to pickup
>new server hardware.  What's a good spec now for a machine to do VM's.
>Are NAS prices cheap enough now that you'd go with external storage, or
>just have a single physical machine with internal HDD's.  Hardware NAS,
>or another machine running linux and ZFS?  With external Storage, does
>it all have to be 10G networking to prevent bottlenecks?  About 6 years
>ago I put in a single standalone server running VMWare, but it's out of
>resources to add new VM's to it.
>
>It looks like Newegg has lots of Refurb Dell and HP servers (with no
>HDD's) for cheap.  DL380G5 ~$100.  I'd like to stay in the $2k-$3k range
>for this project.  Or is hosting your own hardware not even worth it
>anymore?  Just go get a server from 1and1 for $5/mo setup a VPN back to
> the network and be done?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Porn ..... (filtering)

[Sterling Jacobson]

I like those comments.

Went they first passed a form of this, I asked their task group to send me "the 
list".
They couldn't do it, and therefore it was not enforceable.

I'm thinking again, unless a state provides "the list", they can't force an ISP 
to do anything about it.

Plus it's entirely fruitless.

They should really go after the content provider networks with better abilities 
to code protect and lock down content.

Like culinary water, I would like to have something potable for my kids.
But I don't want the overhead as an ISP, and the definition of "potable" water 
is undefinable really.

They need to leave the "pipe" alone, and focus on the ends, the third party 
filters is where it's at, and the CDN's providing better tools.

I can't properly filter, or code protect even my Netflix on most devices.
I just have to check on the kids all the time or be in the same room (four 8 - 
18 yr old boys, lol!) and use Qustodio where possible.
As it is, I've had to lock down most stuff to either ON or OFF and I took back 
the smartphone my oldest had because of this.
Now he has a flip phone with no internet.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Porn . (filtering)

Based on all your comments (thank you), I sent the following to the legislative 
working group:
(You guys helped me look smarter than I am ).



Some random thoughts.

If you are going to an HTTPS site, it is all encrypted.  If you are attempting 
to analyze a flow of traffic HTTPS traffic looks the same to us whether it is 
porn or online banking.

Do we also block Bit Torrent?
XBox Grand Theft Auto
Any game with online chat.  Scrub online chat during games?
All game servers
Twitter
Instagram
Youtube
News outlets
Facebook
Email
Instant messaging
Periscope
Streaming
FTP
IRC

The lowly ping facility has a space for payload.  I could send porn via pings 
if I wanted.

What is defined as harmful content?  Medical, artistic, Bible readings?  
Genesis 19, 29 etc etc.
Language, if so what language?  Bare shoulders. Knees?
Curtains blowing in the breeze.

How about what I consider pornographic music lyrics.
Do we have to police music.  Police Pandora.

There are always ways around.
For every block there is a proxy or VPN that will get you around it.

Filters can give parents a false sense of security.  Filters are gimmicks.  
Snake oil.
But we do offer them.  Not home grown.  They are 3rd party.

[AFMUG] Force10 Guru

[Sterling Jacobson]

Anyone out there a Force10 switch IOS guru?

I need to hire/retain someone that knows these units better than I do, lol!

I'm talking the older 'pre-Dell' hardware.

Re: [AFMUG] Failover / Recovery Time Testing?

[Sterling Jacobson]

I think also you could do something similar with floodping?

I used to use that a lot on wireless connections to test consistency (with 
Mikrotik on each end)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 5:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Failover / Recovery Time Testing?

Adam,

This looks like it will work quite well! So far with some tests I've found 100% 
success, which is the foundation for some good test results.


Example from a VM through a couple Juniper switches to a MikroTik:
# ping 10.11.1.3 -i 0.001 -f -c 1
PING 10.11.1.3 (10.11.1.3) 56(84) bytes of data.

 --- 10.11.1.3 ping statistics ---
1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 1ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.111/0.122/2.160/0.037 ms, ipg/ewma 1.000/0.118 ms


I'll calculate just like you described + the average ping time to account for 
ping replies lost at the beginning of the failure.

I'm not looking to do this everywhere on everything (which would be a reason to 
re-consider where my time should be spent), I'm doing testing on the existing 
failover methods I've been using. If I find anything is really not as good as I 
thought (or much better), then I can use that to guide future design decisions.

Thank you for your help, Chris


On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
It also occurred to me just now that you might want to add -c 1 or similar 
to end the ping command after a certain point.
When you kill it with ctrl+c you can have a false drop reported because you 
might have killed it in between a request and reply.


-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/29/2018 12:25:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Failover / Recovery Time Testing?

Maybe it's obvious, but this method ought to be fairly accurate IF the time 
from one ping to another is very consistent.  I don't know the specific cause 
of the cases where the command is unable to satisfy the request for 1 ping per 
.001 second.  Obviously if that cause leads to variance from one ping to 
another then the accuracy suffers.


Even if you don't get 1 ping per ms, you might be able to estimate as:
(pings transmitted / time = time per ping)
and
(failover time = time per ping * (pings transmitted - pings received))

Re: [AFMUG] OT: USB backup drive

[Sterling Jacobson]

Ditto.

I keep all my 'files' on one of the cloud services, mostly OneDrive right now

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: USB backup drive

Cloud.

-Original Message-
From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: USB backup drive 

Mom needs a USB backup drive. I have a Western Digital but I don't want to risk 
my inheritance on a hard drive that may fail when it's needed.  
What do the experts recommend?

Re: [AFMUG] OT 844E routers

[Sterling Jacobson]

That sucks.

Was in the same boat last year with Mikrotik RB260GS units for about a month, 
real panic attack.

I actually had to order some for more $$ off of eBay and Amazon.

Good luck!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 2:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT 844E routers

Anyone have any stock they are willing to part with?  We just ran out and Calix 
is predicting a Feb ship date on our order that was supposed to ship tomorrow.

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

[Sterling Jacobson]

Plat is great, and Sonar costs more, but I wanted a more modern system and I 
was constantly fighting small glitches and bugs in the system including PCI 
compliance.

Also I don’t want to host anything myself anymore, it’s a hassel to maintain 
and back up the database reliably.

And it has more of the features I want going forward, hopefully.

I’m kind of regretting it right now, but I’m hoping it pans out sooner than 
later.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Philip Rankin
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2018 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

I’m curious, why change. I really like Plat and it does everything I need.

Phil

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 1:52 PM Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
So here is a current update on my months long progress moving from Platypus to 
Sonar.

It's not automatic by any means.

Data import is taking a long time and its painful and costs a lot extra.

I'm having to manually correct/add accounts to Sonar with rate group changes, 
address validations etc.

They appear to be understaffed.

A lot of their system isn't theirs too, which is OK I guess, just didn't 
realize that.

Import is a third party process if you don't want to do it yourself.
Actual payment site isn't them, you host it yourself or get a hosting company, 
and have to maintain it yourself.
Paper statements are not directly them, you have to set up a third party 
account and pay/manage them.

This is just a 'simple' import of billing function only.

I didn't even have any network information for any accounts, so I shudder to 
think how that would have migrated.

Also I didn't really see them emphasizing the fact that their database and Plat 
could get seriously out of synch if you are not careful.

I've had to manually suspend everything in Platypus to assure data isn't out of 
sync with the new system until it comes online.

That means it's been days of people calling/contacting me trying to pay bills 
and I'm stuck in the middle.

Don't want to roll back since I've spent so many hours now on migration.

Can't go forward yet because I'm still waiting on massive fixes to rates on 
customers, and web site creation/setup for billing.

Let's just say I'm excited to get onboarding done and running, but I'm also 
crying because it's not there yet and help is slow to come some days.

--
Philip J. Rankin
Wireless Telecommunications Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS  66762

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

[Sterling Jacobson]

Plat encrypts stuff, but you can see their account password if you elect to I 
guess.
So yeah, that could have carried over I think.

BUT it appears to be two different systems with Sonar at that point.
There is the Sonar instance, and then a completely separate website portal 
instance which stores it’s own username/password I guess.
That’s different from Plat, where Plat does have a separate website instance, 
but it just a front for the SQL database.
Sonar appears to be more new in that it has it’s own published API fronting the 
database and the portal instance uses that I guess.

Yes, I am paying them during the transition period, but I got them to just 
charge me the base amount per month while we do it.
Transition was ‘free’. Which in my case means I still spent about $1000 to have 
Spencer Lambert use some half broken scripting to “mostly” move my data over. 
It was still well worth that money to save me time transferring accounts and 
preserving autopay information though.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2018 9:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

So you're paying them monthly and being charged to migrate?  Seems harsh.

You're paying someone to migrate and fixing it yourself?  What are you paying 
for?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 8:16 AM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Doesn't Plat store things in plaintext? Why can't that be carried over?



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From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 10:47:23 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
It gets worse.

I wasn’t aware that ALL of my customers are now going to have to re-create 
their account login credentials because they don’t carry over from Plat.
I guess this is universal with SONAR, if you want a billing portal for your 
customers, they will ALL have to be sent some notification or link asking them 
to re-create that info or make new credentials based off their account email 
address.

What a cluster F

I’m going to cry

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 9:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

Well, I manually fixed all my account types.

Now, a week later, the billing portal hosted part is showing up, BUT nothing 
works, no login and their guy Jacob is MIA again.

I’ve had accounts and cash flow FROZEN for a week for this.

It’s crazy, I’m about to lose my mind with SONAR.

Damnit!


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 8:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

My wife had a temp job once re-entering accounts for an insurance company which 
was migrating systems.
As long as the human meat computer operating the keyboard is smart enough to 
solve more problems than they create then it sounds good in theory.


-- Original Message --
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 1/10/2018 6:05:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus



we have done something like 3...maybe 4 purchases of networks upwards to 350 
customers / devices.  Each time I've had our people manually enter data.  Too 
risk adverse of import problems or things not working right.  I've had them do 
the data entry and I've come behind them to check everything.  I'm not sure at 
t

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

[Sterling Jacobson]

I think in the case of the CC info it was already encrypted and moved over as 
such, but so was the key.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 10:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

If you were able to transfer it over, that means it was either (A) not 
encrypted to being with, or (B) was decrypted upon export. Either way it would 
have transferred via cleartext. *shrug*

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 11:16 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> 
wrote:
> Well, I guess that does make sense in some regards.
>
> But in Plat it's not for the username/password.
>
> The CC information is encrypted, but thankfully they WERE able to transfer 
> all of those over as far as I can tell.
>
> At least customer won't have to put THAT information in again.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 9:59 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>
> You would have to do that with any platform, as those passwords should be 
> salted+hash, which is one-way encryption.
>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 10:47 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> 
> wrote:
>> It gets worse.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wasn’t aware that ALL of my customers are now going to have to 
>> re-create their account login credentials because they don’t carry over from 
>> Plat.
>>
>> I guess this is universal with SONAR, if you want a billing portal 
>> for your customers, they will ALL have to be sent some notification 
>> or link asking them to re-create that info or make new credentials 
>> based off their account email address.
>>
>>
>>
>> What a cluster F
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m going to cry
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
>> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 9:38 PM
>>
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, I manually fixed all my account types.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now, a week later, the billing portal hosted part is showing up, BUT 
>> nothing works, no login and their guy Jacob is MIA again.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve had accounts and cash flow FROZEN for a week for this.
>>
>>
>>
>> It’s crazy, I’m about to lose my mind with SONAR.
>>
>>
>>
>> Damnit!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 8:30 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>>
>>
>>
>> My wife had a temp job once re-entering accounts for an insurance 
>> company which was migrating systems.
>>
>> As long as the human meat computer operating the keyboard is smart 
>> enough to solve more problems than they create then it sounds good in theory.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Sent: 1/10/2018 6:05:02 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> we have done something like 3...maybe 4 purchases of networks upwards 
>> to 350 customers / devices.  Each time I've had our people manually enter 
>> data.
>> Too risk adverse of import problems or things not working right.  
>> I've had them do the data entry and I've come behind them to check 
>> everything.  I'm
>> not sure at this point I'd do it any other way.   I remember Evan doing
>> something similar - he had 3-4-5 data entry people entering people at 
>> one time during a conversion.
>>
>>
>>
>> It is never pretty but in the end when you're done it is a pretty 
>> good feeling.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>
>> From: Adam Moffett
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:44 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry, I wasn't trying to say you were doing it wrong or anything.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: 1/10

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

[Sterling Jacobson]

Well, I guess that does make sense in some regards.

But in Plat it's not for the username/password.

The CC information is encrypted, but thankfully they WERE able to transfer all 
of those over as far as I can tell.

At least customer won't have to put THAT information in again.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 9:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

You would have to do that with any platform, as those passwords should be 
salted+hash, which is one-way encryption.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 10:47 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> 
wrote:
> It gets worse.
>
>
>
> I wasn’t aware that ALL of my customers are now going to have to 
> re-create their account login credentials because they don’t carry over from 
> Plat.
>
> I guess this is universal with SONAR, if you want a billing portal for 
> your customers, they will ALL have to be sent some notification or 
> link asking them to re-create that info or make new credentials based 
> off their account email address.
>
>
>
> What a cluster F
>
>
>
> I’m going to cry
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 9:38 PM
>
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>
>
>
> Well, I manually fixed all my account types.
>
>
>
> Now, a week later, the billing portal hosted part is showing up, BUT 
> nothing works, no login and their guy Jacob is MIA again.
>
>
>
> I’ve had accounts and cash flow FROZEN for a week for this.
>
>
>
> It’s crazy, I’m about to lose my mind with SONAR.
>
>
>
> Damnit!
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 8:30 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>
>
>
> My wife had a temp job once re-entering accounts for an insurance 
> company which was migrating systems.
>
> As long as the human meat computer operating the keyboard is smart 
> enough to solve more problems than they create then it sounds good in theory.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 1/10/2018 6:05:02 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> we have done something like 3...maybe 4 purchases of networks upwards 
> to 350 customers / devices.  Each time I've had our people manually enter 
> data.
> Too risk adverse of import problems or things not working right.  I've 
> had them do the data entry and I've come behind them to check everything.  I'm
> not sure at this point I'd do it any other way.   I remember Evan doing
> something similar - he had 3-4-5 data entry people entering people at 
> one time during a conversion.
>
>
>
> It is never pretty but in the end when you're done it is a pretty good 
> feeling.
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: Adam Moffett
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:44 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>
>
>
> Sorry, I wasn't trying to say you were doing it wrong or anything.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 1/10/2018 3:40:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>
>>Sure, in my spare time I'll just create some DB scripts and then go 
>>through every account to make sure it worked out and reload.
>>
>>Oh wait, how is that saving me time and money?
>>
>>It isn't.
>>
>>I elected to take their import, do some brief overview to make sure 
>>things were generally ok.
>>Then modify/update the ones that have problems.
>>
>>Though that takes time, it's still less effort than starting from 
>>scratch.
>>
>>What I was told was it would be easy to migrate in a day or two and 
>>get running.
>>
>>So not the case.
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:36 PM
>>To: af@afmug.com
>>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>>
>>If I recall correctly, the Sonar documentation suggested using the API 
>>to write a script to set everything up.  I think the idea is you can 
>>test your import 

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

[Sterling Jacobson]

It gets worse.

I wasn’t aware that ALL of my customers are now going to have to re-create 
their account login credentials because they don’t carry over from Plat.
I guess this is universal with SONAR, if you want a billing portal for your 
customers, they will ALL have to be sent some notification or link asking them 
to re-create that info or make new credentials based off their account email 
address.

What a cluster F

I’m going to cry

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 9:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

Well, I manually fixed all my account types.

Now, a week later, the billing portal hosted part is showing up, BUT nothing 
works, no login and their guy Jacob is MIA again.

I’ve had accounts and cash flow FROZEN for a week for this.

It’s crazy, I’m about to lose my mind with SONAR.

Damnit!


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 8:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

My wife had a temp job once re-entering accounts for an insurance company which 
was migrating systems.
As long as the human meat computer operating the keyboard is smart enough to 
solve more problems than they create then it sounds good in theory.


-- Original Message --
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 1/10/2018 6:05:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus



we have done something like 3...maybe 4 purchases of networks upwards to 350 
customers / devices.  Each time I've had our people manually enter data.  Too 
risk adverse of import problems or things not working right.  I've had them do 
the data entry and I've come behind them to check everything.  I'm not sure at 
this point I'd do it any other way.   I remember Evan doing something similar - 
he had 3-4-5 data entry people entering people at one time during a conversion.

It is never pretty but in the end when you're done it is a pretty good feeling.


- Original Message -
From: Adam Moffett<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

Sorry, I wasn't trying to say you were doing it wrong or anything.


-- Original Message --
From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 1/10/2018 3:40:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

>Sure, in my spare time I'll just create some DB scripts and then go
>through every account to make sure it worked out and reload.
>
>Oh wait, how is that saving me time and money?
>
>It isn't.
>
>I elected to take their import, do some brief overview to make sure
>things were generally ok.
>Then modify/update the ones that have problems.
>
>Though that takes time, it's still less effort than starting from
>scratch.
>
>What I was told was it would be easy to migrate in a day or two and get
>running.
>
>So not the case.
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
>Of Adam Moffett
>Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:36 PM
>To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>
>If I recall correctly, the Sonar documentation suggested using the API
>to write a script to set everything up.  I think the idea is you can
>test your import script, then just blow away the Sonar instance and try
>again if you have problems.  Repeat until your script does everything
>you want.  Then when flag day comes you have a well tested process.
>
>I know I heard that somewhereif it wasn't in the docs it might have
>been in one of the videos.
>
>-Adam
>
>
>-- Original Message --
>From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
>To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>Sent: 1/10/2018 2:51:58 PM
>Subject: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>
>>So here is a current update on my months long progress moving from
>>Platypus to Sonar.
>>
>>It's not automatic by any means.
>>
>>Data import is taking a long time and its painful and costs a lot
>>extra.
>>
>>I'm having to manually correct/add accounts to Sonar with rate group
>>changes, address validations etc.
>>
>>They appear to be understaffed.
>>
>>A lo

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

[Sterling Jacobson]

Well, I manually fixed all my account types.

Now, a week later, the billing portal hosted part is showing up, BUT nothing 
works, no login and their guy Jacob is MIA again.

I’ve had accounts and cash flow FROZEN for a week for this.

It’s crazy, I’m about to lose my mind with SONAR.

Damnit!


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 8:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

My wife had a temp job once re-entering accounts for an insurance company which 
was migrating systems.
As long as the human meat computer operating the keyboard is smart enough to 
solve more problems than they create then it sounds good in theory.


-- Original Message --
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 1/10/2018 6:05:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus



we have done something like 3...maybe 4 purchases of networks upwards to 350 
customers / devices.  Each time I've had our people manually enter data.  Too 
risk adverse of import problems or things not working right.  I've had them do 
the data entry and I've come behind them to check everything.  I'm not sure at 
this point I'd do it any other way.   I remember Evan doing something similar - 
he had 3-4-5 data entry people entering people at one time during a conversion.

It is never pretty but in the end when you're done it is a pretty good feeling.


- Original Message -
From: Adam Moffett<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

Sorry, I wasn't trying to say you were doing it wrong or anything.


-- Original Message --
From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 1/10/2018 3:40:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

>Sure, in my spare time I'll just create some DB scripts and then go
>through every account to make sure it worked out and reload.
>
>Oh wait, how is that saving me time and money?
>
>It isn't.
>
>I elected to take their import, do some brief overview to make sure
>things were generally ok.
>Then modify/update the ones that have problems.
>
>Though that takes time, it's still less effort than starting from
>scratch.
>
>What I was told was it would be easy to migrate in a day or two and get
>running.
>
>So not the case.
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
>Of Adam Moffett
>Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:36 PM
>To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>
>If I recall correctly, the Sonar documentation suggested using the API
>to write a script to set everything up.  I think the idea is you can
>test your import script, then just blow away the Sonar instance and try
>again if you have problems.  Repeat until your script does everything
>you want.  Then when flag day comes you have a well tested process.
>
>I know I heard that somewhereif it wasn't in the docs it might have
>been in one of the videos.
>
>-Adam
>
>
>-- Original Message --
>From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
>To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>Sent: 1/10/2018 2:51:58 PM
>Subject: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>
>>So here is a current update on my months long progress moving from
>>Platypus to Sonar.
>>
>>It's not automatic by any means.
>>
>>Data import is taking a long time and its painful and costs a lot
>>extra.
>>
>>I'm having to manually correct/add accounts to Sonar with rate group
>>changes, address validations etc.
>>
>>They appear to be understaffed.
>>
>>A lot of their system isn't theirs too, which is OK I guess, just
>>didn't realize that.
>>
>>Import is a third party process if you don't want to do it yourself.
>>Actual payment site isn't them, you host it yourself or get a hosting
>>company, and have to maintain it yourself.
>>Paper statements are not directly them, you have to set up a third
>>party account and pay/manage them.
>>
>>This is just a 'simple' import of billing function only.
>>
>>I didn't even have any network information for any accounts, so I
>>shudder to think how that would have migrated.
>>
>>Also I did

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

[Sterling Jacobson]

Sure, in my spare time I'll just create some DB scripts and then go through 
every account to make sure it worked out and reload.

Oh wait, how is that saving me time and money?

It isn't.

I elected to take their import, do some brief overview to make sure things were 
generally ok.
Then modify/update the ones that have problems.

Though that takes time, it's still less effort than starting from scratch.

What I was told was it would be easy to migrate in a day or two and get running.

So not the case.



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

If I recall correctly, the Sonar documentation suggested using the API to write 
a script to set everything up.  I think the idea is you can test your import 
script, then just blow away the Sonar instance and try again if you have 
problems.  Repeat until your script does everything you want.  Then when flag 
day comes you have a well tested process.

I know I heard that somewhereif it wasn't in the docs it might have been in 
one of the videos.

-Adam


-- Original Message --
From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 1/10/2018 2:51:58 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

>So here is a current update on my months long progress moving from 
>Platypus to Sonar.
>
>It's not automatic by any means.
>
>Data import is taking a long time and its painful and costs a lot 
>extra.
>
>I'm having to manually correct/add accounts to Sonar with rate group 
>changes, address validations etc.
>
>They appear to be understaffed.
>
>A lot of their system isn't theirs too, which is OK I guess, just 
>didn't realize that.
>
>Import is a third party process if you don't want to do it yourself.
>Actual payment site isn't them, you host it yourself or get a hosting 
>company, and have to maintain it yourself.
>Paper statements are not directly them, you have to set up a third 
>party account and pay/manage them.
>
>This is just a 'simple' import of billing function only.
>
>I didn't even have any network information for any accounts, so I 
>shudder to think how that would have migrated.
>
>Also I didn't really see them emphasizing the fact that their database 
>and Plat could get seriously out of synch if you are not careful.
>
>I've had to manually suspend everything in Platypus to assure data 
>isn't out of sync with the new system until it comes online.
>
>That means it's been days of people calling/contacting me trying to pay 
>bills and I'm stuck in the middle.
>
>Don't want to roll back since I've spent so many hours now on 
>migration.
>
>Can't go forward yet because I'm still waiting on massive fixes to 
>rates on customers, and web site creation/setup for billing.
>
>Let's just say I'm excited to get onboarding done and running, but I'm 
>also crying because it's not there yet and help is slow to come some 
>days.
>
>

[AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

[Sterling Jacobson]

So here is a current update on my months long progress moving from Platypus to 
Sonar.

It's not automatic by any means.

Data import is taking a long time and its painful and costs a lot extra.

I'm having to manually correct/add accounts to Sonar with rate group changes, 
address validations etc.

They appear to be understaffed.

A lot of their system isn't theirs too, which is OK I guess, just didn't 
realize that.

Import is a third party process if you don't want to do it yourself.
Actual payment site isn't them, you host it yourself or get a hosting company, 
and have to maintain it yourself.
Paper statements are not directly them, you have to set up a third party 
account and pay/manage them.

This is just a 'simple' import of billing function only.

I didn't even have any network information for any accounts, so I shudder to 
think how that would have migrated.

Also I didn't really see them emphasizing the fact that their database and Plat 
could get seriously out of synch if you are not careful.

I've had to manually suspend everything in Platypus to assure data isn't out of 
sync with the new system until it comes online.

That means it's been days of people calling/contacting me trying to pay bills 
and I'm stuck in the middle.

Don't want to roll back since I've spent so many hours now on migration.

Can't go forward yet because I'm still waiting on massive fixes to rates on 
customers, and web site creation/setup for billing.

Let's just say I'm excited to get onboarding done and running, but I'm also 
crying because it's not there yet and help is slow to come some days.

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber media converters

[Sterling Jacobson]

No to hijack, but are there any simple or managed media converters from SFP+ 
10Gbps SMF to Ethernet/Copper 2.5 and 5Gbps or even 10Gbps over Cat6?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 3:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber media converters

I ran into this recommendation in a previous post.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIABCW6678914=1_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC-_-pla-_-Network+-+Transceivers-_-9SIABCW6678914=EAIaIQobChMIvbiZn8mW2AIVCgaRCh3EbwoBEAQYASABEgLrrfD_BwE=aw.ds

Jay Weekley wrote:
> Looking for recommendations for a gigabit media converter that takes 
> SC connectors.  I've pulled a few recommendations from a previous 
> thread but am looking for a few more.
>
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
> http://www.avg.com
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT HDD lessons

[Sterling Jacobson]

Lol!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT HDD lessons

Learn when to stop boring:
https://facebook.com/streetfx/videos/10160258906695112/

Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

[Sterling Jacobson]

Have you tried Amazon for distribution?

I have no idea how that works, but I do notice a large variety of odd things 
now available via amazon, some with free 2-day shipping.

Honestly, the distro model is dead except the large players like Amazon now, 
and good riddance.

At least Amazon can have some accountability and rating/feedback that helps 
buyers etc.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:32 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount, extended 
length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their customers.  
There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path.



On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock are the 
devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that lie and you 
get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they take your money 
right quick, thats for sure

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM, > 
wrote:
We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all 
distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse, and 
keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts).  Some take 
advantage of this and some don't.

-Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but we
are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then when a
distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to
blame us.

The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the
distributors have inventory, not us.  That is how they add value.  Otherwise
I would just sell direct.

We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the channel
that gets the sales.

Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this.

-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM
To: ch...@wbmfg.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to
absorb the 20-30 day time frames?

I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they
were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the
parts in".

On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on our 
tower mount products.
Some of our distributors stock, some don’t.  We have most of the stuff on our 
e-commerce site but it is MSRP.  You get discounts from going to the 
distributors.
Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not.  I don’t have 
visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never answer 
as to what they may or may not have.  If you hit me off list I can give an 
opinion as to who may have them.
I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than those 
that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them.  We may not always have the 
stuff depending on production cycles.  We have a huge unknown in the cycle due 
to the galvanization.  Sometimes the company that dips the parts can turn them 
around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days.





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Re: [AFMUG] Residential router recommendation.

[Sterling Jacobson]

My main recommendations now are Asus and Netgear Nighthawk (NOT regular 
Netgear, those suck).

I don't provide routers to our customers, so I'm thinking we now have hundreds 
of either brand/line of these routers and they seem to be the least failure 
prone.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 9:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Residential router recommendation.

I have a friend that is looking for a new router from a big box store 
like Best Buy, Walmart or Officemax.   Since I've been using Mikrotiks 
and the occasional Readynet and TPlink for the past several years I have no 
idea what to tell them to get.  It's not for a customer and I will hopefully 
have nothing to do with this router.  If you were me what would you tell them 
to get?

Re: [AFMUG] 4k tv

[Sterling Jacobson]

I have a 65” and sit about 12 feet away.

You can tell the 4k content difference from 1080p, it’s a nice upgrade, but not 
something you really miss if it’s not there.

I think you see it a lot more if you project like 120” screen and are 14 feet 
away.

That’s where it starts to really come out, on the bigger screens, sitting 
closer to the content.

As far as content, a lot of the TV shows from the last two years on most 
content providers is 4k available.

Vudu is good with 4k as is a lot of Netflix stuff.

Some recent movies as well, but a lot are still provided in 1080 instead.

Can’t speak to satellite TV since I haven’t had that in years.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 1:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 4k tv


I had about an hour to kill this afternoon so I spent it in Costco roaming 
around...

Some of the pictures on the Samsung TVs that are UTV or even Beyond UTV are 
absolutely astonishing.

At the end of the TV section was the DirecTV rep.  I have DirecTV satellite and 
I like my high definition picture and my high-definition home projector.

All of my TV's in my home were purchased in the last five to ten years and 
they're all HD capable.  Most are smart TVs that run apps but the apps don't 
ever update and you pretty much get what the TV has and that's it

So I decided to get all excited I had a little money burning a hole in my 
pocket I thought I would grab one of these super duper Samsung Ultra 
high-definition televisions.  Ok not really but lets pretend I did

I told the DirecTV lady when HD first came out it took the broadcasters a while 
to start broadcasting in HD. I asked her for a list of which channels broadcast 
in 4kShe gave me the list

104.DTV4k
105cine4k
106Live4k

BasicallyNONE

How much programming on Netflix is in 4k? I am aware of the extreme bandwidth 
requirements

And guaranteed if I got a hacked Amazon Fire stick it's not going to show me 
anything in 4k

What is the point? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?


Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] PPS limits

[Sterling Jacobson]

Most standard routers would die on that much pps of that size.

If you look on routerboard.com at the mikrotik stuff, they have charts at the 
bottom of most of their gear that show how much traffic they can move given the 
packet size and pps and Mbps etc.

Compare that with the CPU and you can get an idea of what it takes to 
switch/router or packet inspect stuff with rules.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Zach Underwood
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 2:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PPS limits

I am trying to put some ddos attacks in perspective in terms of pps.

Here are two examples
545.4 Mbps/2.4 Mpps udp packet size less than 150byte
2.0 Gbps/8.5 Mpps udp packet size less than 150byte

What size router would fall over with 1+ Mpps of traffic.
example ubnt ER-8 clams 2Mpps.


--
Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
My website
advance-networking.com

Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs

[Sterling Jacobson]

Similar case with me which I kind of already pointed out.

They couldn’t figure out a BGP issue and wanted to virtualize and put in a lab 
and spend hours on top of hours analyzing.

I stopped them right there and said no thanks to that.

Then I called Dennis and he took a few minutes, found out it likely wasn’t my 
problem, and worked with my upstream provider to fix it.

And it was fixed after some emails back and forth between all of us.

I asked IPArchitechs to refund me since they had charged me hundreds of dollars 
to get nowhere.
One of their sales guys made out a personal check to me for some reason, 
claiming his reputation was on the line or something like that.
I think it was a shady play at emotions, but I don’t have many emotions, so it 
didn’t work with me, lol!

I took whatever little money they could refund me, however they wanted to 
refund and ‘play’ that.
Then they gave me credit which I still have, to use.

Likely I’ll not be doing BGP stuff with them, but maybe they will do something 
more benign, like standard server work.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2017 10:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs

We used them once and we weren't happy. I wanted to give them a try to see how 
they compared to others.
What I thought was a simple BGP issue that could have been handled with a 15-30 
minute phone call ended
up taking over two weeks. They "needed" to get our router configs and 
virtualize them in their network. Then
figure out which interfaces were backhaul links, etc.

They then came up with a crazy network design that, to me, made no sense. After 
them burning a lot of hours
on that, a simple call at the end of that process amounted to just creating a 
single EoIP tunnel to fix the issue.

So my thought is they want to burn hours whenever they can.

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Paul McCall 
<pa...@pdmnet.net<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>> wrote:
So, IPArchitechsis there a current consensus on whether they are worth 
investing time with?   We are looking to layer BGP within (or upon) our OSPF 
network to better control traffic between towers, subnets, etc.

IPA talked a good game, but we didn't roll out with them.

Any thoughts?

Paul

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs

We are always here :)


Dennis Burgess - Network Solution Engineer - Consultant MikroTik Certified 
Trainer/Consultant - MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net> 
Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com<http://www.towercoverage.com>
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net<mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 12:45 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>' <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs
That company was a bust.

So I'm looking again for a professional team/company that can professionally 
handle my network contracting needs in a reasonable time frame.

Dennis, I'll be asking for your help again in the meantime as soon as I get 
refunded from IPArchitechs.

Re: [AFMUG] Blocked by the major streaming providers after getting new subnet

[Sterling Jacobson]

Vudu is the worst.

Again, see if the renting company will help you deal with it.

But essentially you have to just call support on each one and get through to 
someone that knows WTH is going on.

And, have customers contact support and explain that they don't live in a 
different country  and are not on a VPN.
That helps a lot too, both parties can hit it at the same time.

Eventually what happens is they take the /24 or whatever and whitelist it in 
their database.

Also, a lot of the CDNs use a service themselves for blacklist and if you fix 
it with that service, it fixes it for a large number of them simultaneously.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 10:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Blocked by the major streaming providers after getting new 
subnet

Anyone have contacts at Hulu, Vudu, Netflix or any of the other major streaming 
providers? 

I just leased a new subnet and it is being blocked by their servers for 
“proxy”. There are no proxies on my network. 

I dealt with this a while back, but now it is happening again.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] voip

[Sterling Jacobson]

I don’t have staff for that, so I don’t do it.

We did have good success with it years ago having it in house, but we also had 
larger business clients with 100’s of phone lines on it.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 7:30 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] voip

Big question here.
Is it worth it to be a voip provider? With all the paperwork and 911 stuff?
How is everyone doing this?
If your paying for hosted what end user rates do you charge?
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Re: [AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic

[Sterling Jacobson]

For the rented IPv4 space they might have tools, or be responsible, for fixing 
such geo location and blacklist type problems.

That would be another good reason to use IPv4 rented instead of auction in some 
cases.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 8:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic

This customer has been doing this prior to implementing the new IPs.

The new subnet is for NJ, so I’ve submitted tickets to get that adjusted. 
Hopefully that happens soon. For some reason nobody on my new subnet can load 
ksl.com<http://ksl.com> either. That seems to be the only url to have this 
issue so far.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Nov 7, 2017, at 7:22 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Also Brett, you might want to keep in mind geo-location for your IPv4 space.

If the subnet you are using is still showing on some geo services as another 
state or country weird things can happen with CDN routing etc.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 7:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic

Thanks Mike.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Nov 7, 2017, at 5:35 PM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Upload or download? Download, I assume?

Contact their NOC, contact info here: https://peeringdb.com/net/979


-
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From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
<li...@silverlakeinternet.com<mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 5:14:17 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic

I have a customer that is using 3x the bandwidth all my remaining customers on 
the same leg of the network use. The traffic is almost all from the same IP 
address.

31.13.70.51

I was thinking a torrent VPN service, but this shows as a Facebook IP in the 
RIPE region and is registered as a direct assign to Facebook Ireland. Any idea 
what can cause this IP to have a nearly consistent 100Mb of bandwidth?

I asked the customer and he said that he doesn’t do any torrenting and he 
thought it might be game updates (he is a PC gamer). I’ve seen what game 
updates do, and it’s nothing like this.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic

[Sterling Jacobson]

Also Brett, you might want to keep in mind geo-location for your IPv4 space.

If the subnet you are using is still showing on some geo services as another 
state or country weird things can happen with CDN routing etc.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 7:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic

Thanks Mike.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Nov 7, 2017, at 5:35 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
Upload or download? Download, I assume?

Contact their NOC, contact info here: https://peeringdb.com/net/979


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 5:14:17 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Facebook Ireland IP flooding traffic

I have a customer that is using 3x the bandwidth all my remaining customers on 
the same leg of the network use. The traffic is almost all from the same IP 
address.

31.13.70.51

I was thinking a torrent VPN service, but this shows as a Facebook IP in the 
RIPE region and is registered as a direct assign to Facebook Ireland. Any idea 
what can cause this IP to have a nearly consistent 100Mb of bandwidth?

I asked the customer and he said that he doesn’t do any torrenting and he 
thought it might be game updates (he is a PC gamer). I’ve seen what game 
updates do, and it’s nothing like this.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] Boring under 20ft of concrete

[Sterling Jacobson]

I don’t know specifics, but its on a regular truck and makes a repeating loud 
knocking noise which is really annoying.

It’s connected to the truck with an air hose I think, and they sort of load up 
the long length of schedule conduit in the hole and push it through along with 
it.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 12:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Boring under 20ft of concrete

What kind of equipment are they using for this?

On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
If it means anything to anyone about this, Comcast contractors are now 
installing their Comcast conduit all through my neighborhood right now.

They appear to be using those pumping/rocket type system to install the conduit 
under long runs of concrete driveways.

Takes them about an hour each one.

It does amuse me that they are paying to have all this installed when I already 
own over 80 percent of the customers here.

I’m sure they have no clue I am here with 1Gbps fiber already.
They must think it’s all crappy CenturyLink DSL they are going to be competing 
with…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 12:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Boring under 20ft of concrete

That went through pretty easy for that guy...

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On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Matt 
<matt.mailingli...@gmail.com<mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4p1_B8ZYNQ

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 5:02 PM, TJ Trout 
<t...@voltbb.com<mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
> Getting a new well installed and the pump guy wants to cut 3ft x 20ft out of
> my patio, surely this could be bored (only needs 1 1/4 to 1-1/2 line) any
> ideas that aren't super difficult?

Re: [AFMUG] Boring under 20ft of concrete

[Sterling Jacobson]

If it means anything to anyone about this, Comcast contractors are now 
installing their Comcast conduit all through my neighborhood right now.

They appear to be using those pumping/rocket type system to install the conduit 
under long runs of concrete driveways.

Takes them about an hour each one.

It does amuse me that they are paying to have all this installed when I already 
own over 80 percent of the customers here.

I’m sure they have no clue I am here with 1Gbps fiber already.
They must think it’s all crappy CenturyLink DSL they are going to be competing 
with…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 12:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Boring under 20ft of concrete

That went through pretty easy for that guy...

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On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Matt 
> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4p1_B8ZYNQ

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 5:02 PM, TJ Trout 
> wrote:
> Getting a new well installed and the pump guy wants to cut 3ft x 20ft out of
> my patio, surely this could be bored (only needs 1 1/4 to 1-1/2 line) any
> ideas that aren't super difficult?

Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

[Sterling Jacobson]

That would be helpful because the testing and work I’ve been told about from 
firsthand users so far is a no go.

I did a similar writeup and test of the Motorola/Cambium 400 Platform years ago 
in my area.
That is what I would like to see. Some provider with multiple AP’s across a 360 
degree geography with real world throughput results and analysis of management 
software and platform etc.

Something like this slide deck which used data and pictures from our system way 
back in the day, lol!

http://slideplayer.com/slide/8497605/



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 10:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

Not saying they have not published, just that I have not seen any publications. 
 If there is a real world deployment with positive results that can be 
verified, the vendors should not be bashful about crowing about it.  They all 
know they are free to post white papers here.

From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 10:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

Fair point Chuck..

But the trend lately has been to have such posts on their Blogs, and Social 
Media Pages...

I have seen presentations, documents from both Ignitenet & Siklu along those 
lines that you have expressed.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>


From: ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 10:51:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP
Normally, the vendors of this kind of thing will publish a white paper showing 
a deployment.
Showing maps, distances, photos, signal strengths, performance specs.
Stuff you can verify.  Maybe those white papers are out there for 60 GHz but I 
have not seen any.
Tons of this kind of thing from Mot and Cambium over the years.

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 4:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

Local WISPs have tried both and they are either unavailable for purchase in 
quantity, and/or suck in actual practice/usage.

Has anyone hear actually gotten more than one AP working from either company, 
and is happy with near 1Gbps performance on PtMP spread over an area of more 
than a handful of CPE in a single ‘line’ area?

I doubt it.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

Yes, I thought both of these were already on the market.

On Tuesday, October 31, 2017, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
<jeffl...@att.net<mailto:jeffl...@att.net>> wrote:
Siklu and Ignite.Net.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com<mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com>

> On Oct 31, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> <sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
>
> It sounds like there isn't any available/viable 60GHz PtMP product yet.
>
> Any ideas on who is going to bring out the first readily available 1Gbps PtMP 
> product that actually works?

Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

[Sterling Jacobson]

Local WISPs have tried both and they are either unavailable for purchase in 
quantity, and/or suck in actual practice/usage.

Has anyone hear actually gotten more than one AP working from either company, 
and is happy with near 1Gbps performance on PtMP spread over an area of more 
than a handful of CPE in a single ‘line’ area?

I doubt it.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

Yes, I thought both of these were already on the market.

On Tuesday, October 31, 2017, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
<jeffl...@att.net<mailto:jeffl...@att.net>> wrote:
Siklu and Ignite.Net.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com<javascript:;>

> On Oct 31, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> <sterl...@avative.net<javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> It sounds like there isn't any available/viable 60GHz PtMP product yet.
>
> Any ideas on who is going to bring out the first readily available 1Gbps PtMP 
> product that actually works?

[AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

[Sterling Jacobson]

It sounds like there isn't any available/viable 60GHz PtMP product yet.

Any ideas on who is going to bring out the first readily available 1Gbps PtMP 
product that actually works?

[AFMUG] DHCP Server Redundancy Survey

[Sterling Jacobson]

I want to do a more flexible/standard setup for my DHCP handouts.

I hand out public IPv4 and IPv6 dual stack to each customer router from two 
main routers on my network.

Is it best to create two redundant DHCP servers instead and use DHCP Relay 
on-net to them?

And how is everyone doing that?

I'm guessing it's probably best to have those two redundant DHCP servers be 
RADIUS controlled so billing systems can easily integrate with them.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon

[Sterling Jacobson]

This is the license, 11325 and 10835 and 80Mhz widths I think?

Maybe the coordinator can find out if it can be changed?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Seaman
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 4:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon

These radios have diplexers (essentially filters) installed which limit them to 
operate in various sub-sections of the 11 GHz band.  Assuming these sub-band 
numbers correspond to Cambium's, The 7W13 in the part number corresponds to 
10915-11207MHz / 11425-11725MHz which covers the upper part of the band.  6W12 
corresponds to 10895-11205MHz  / 11385-11705MHz which is only 20 MHz lower and 
mostly overlaps with 7W13.  These sub-bands are nearly identical. 

What is the frequency and channel width on your coordination?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 2:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon

I could be wrong but you don’t have the wideband channel support. Otherwise it 
all relates to the filters installed. 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Oct 30, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
> 
> My model number is IP-20C-HP-11-500-7W13-H-ESX and L-ESX.
> 
> I can't even find the model number on the Ceragon web site.
> 
> What is the difference between my radio and the one listed that is: 
> IP-20C-HP-11w-500.00-6W12-H-ESX
> 
> Is mine just plain outdated?
> Is there any advantage of the 'new' one over mine, or vice versa?
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 2:25 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon
> 
> Is there a market for used Ceragon 11GHz radios?
> 
> I need to "swap" my radio set in the 11GHz range to match my licensed range.
> 
> So I need the 'lower' band range and I need the 'higher' band range in the 
> 11GHz.
> 
> My antennas and OMT etc are all good to go, just the radios are not in the 
> range I need.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon

[Sterling Jacobson]

My model number is IP-20C-HP-11-500-7W13-H-ESX and L-ESX.

I can't even find the model number on the Ceragon web site.

What is the difference between my radio and the one listed that is: 
IP-20C-HP-11w-500.00-6W12-H-ESX

Is mine just plain outdated?
Is there any advantage of the 'new' one over mine, or vice versa?



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 2:25 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon

Is there a market for used Ceragon 11GHz radios?

I need to "swap" my radio set in the 11GHz range to match my licensed range.

So I need the 'lower' band range and I need the 'higher' band range in the 
11GHz.

My antennas and OMT etc are all good to go, just the radios are not in the 
range I need.

[AFMUG] Ceragon

[Sterling Jacobson]

Is there a market for used Ceragon 11GHz radios?

I need to "swap" my radio set in the 11GHz range to match my licensed range.

So I need the 'lower' band range and I need the 'higher' band range in the 
11GHz.

My antennas and OMT etc are all good to go, just the radios are not in the 
range I need.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

[Sterling Jacobson]

Ok. so I guess it’s sell/exchange this radio set and get one within license 
bounds.

Or change my license to match the radio set.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

The range is printed on the radio with the serial number. It should be obvious 
what the range supports for that radio.

You cannot change the range the radio operates in. You would need a different 
radio head to support the band you want to operate in.

On Oct 21, 2017 4:52 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
I figured this out.

No one told me, and I wasn't aware, that these Ceragon Radios has a fixed TX 
and RX range per sku/hardware.

So I was trying to operate the radio a bit out of range of the hardware I guess.

How do I change the TX/RX range for each of my Ceragon radios, and how 
expensive is that??

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 11:25 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>' <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

Trying to aim up these pair of radios in XPIC and it looks like I've got a lot 
of issues.

This is just from trying to peak one side today.

I'll try more on the other side.

But it also appears that I've got a huge difference between the H and V radios 
in dB.

I mean, is a 7dB difference equivalent to like several degrees off in H/V 
rotation?

Our people tried to rotate the radio with the given groove/slack in the radio 
mount, but didn't seem to change anything.

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

[Sterling Jacobson]

I figured this out.

No one told me, and I wasn't aware, that these Ceragon Radios has a fixed TX 
and RX range per sku/hardware.

So I was trying to operate the radio a bit out of range of the hardware I guess.

How do I change the TX/RX range for each of my Ceragon radios, and how 
expensive is that??

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 11:25 AM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

Trying to aim up these pair of radios in XPIC and it looks like I've got a lot 
of issues.

This is just from trying to peak one side today.

I'll try more on the other side.

But it also appears that I've got a huge difference between the H and V radios 
in dB.

I mean, is a 7dB difference equivalent to like several degrees off in H/V 
rotation?

Our people tried to rotate the radio with the given groove/slack in the radio 
mount, but didn't seem to change anything.

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

[Sterling Jacobson]

to:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Yea, this seems to be a common practice in the software industry. What they all 
should really say is that they help you convert. I am going through this with 
ECi at the moment. We paid several thousand for them to convert our database. 
What it really was was a half hearted gesture at putting the DB into an excel 
spreadsheet that they spent zero time checking for sanity. They expect us to do 
all that.

It seems that most software companies expect their customers to have a whole 
team of people doing what seems to be the software companies job. Not saying 
Sonar fits the description, just that that seems to be the rule not the 
exception.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:24 PM Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Taking forever to migrate from Platypus to Sonar.

I was told conversion was free, but they didn't tell me I had to do all my own 
conversion from Plat to Sonar, so in my mind that's not free.

I paid Spender Lambert to move some initial data to their format, but I've been 
on a hold with Sonar since last month.

Super excited to get going with a 'modern' billing system, but so far the 
process has been a total snoozer.

[AFMUG] Sonar

[Sterling Jacobson]

Taking forever to migrate from Platypus to Sonar.

I was told conversion was free, but they didn't tell me I had to do all my own 
conversion from Plat to Sonar, so in my mind that's not free.

I paid Spender Lambert to move some initial data to their format, but I've been 
on a hold with Sonar since last month.

Super excited to get going with a 'modern' billing system, but so far the 
process has been a total snoozer.

[AFMUG] BLM Info

[Sterling Jacobson]

Are renters/users of BLM land for radio towers a matter of public record?

I would like to get a list of companies and contact information for sites and 
site leases near my own tower.

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24HD One Chain Bad?

[Sterling Jacobson]

Not sure why it didn't attach the picture, let me try again.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 6:29 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24HD One Chain Bad?

How do I fix a link where just one chain is bad as shown here?

Not quite sure what to make of this.

[AFMUG] Airfiber 24HD One Chain Bad?

[Sterling Jacobson]

How do I fix a link where just one chain is bad as shown here?

Not quite sure what to make of this.

Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Sterling Jacobson]

What about medical history and medicine if any he was on?

I’m thinking we should have enough data with about one shooting incident a day 
in the US now, that would allow us to narrow down on the mental state of these 
people.

Because we can all agree it’s not a normal person that acts on an impulse to 
kill numbers of people randomly.

If it’s incidental, that can be harder to find, track and prevent.

But if it’s say someone on a prescription medication that has psychotropic side 
effects, maybe they shouldn’t have the right to a gun?

Three of my sons take such various medications for various mental things like 
that.

I would not want them to have access to a gun at any time.

And if they continue to have to use the medicine to function ‘normally’ in 
society, I would agree with anyone that says they should not be allowed to 
possess an unrestricted firearm, ever.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 10:05 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

After some thought on the whole 'could tougher gun control have prevented this 
tragedy' topic, I've sort of come to the conclusion that with one possible 
exception, there really isn't anything which would have made much of a 
difference.

Assuming that the shooter has a perfectly clean record (he did), you have to 
look at what restrictions you're willing to put on recreational gun owners.  In 
every case I've thought of (restricting total number of guns, restricting ammo 
purchases, etc.), it seems based on the information we have that this attack 
could have been carried out with access to the exact same arsenal that a 
recreational gun user should have access to.   (Assuming one buys into the 
belief that there should be recreational gun users - let's NOT go down that 
path, since that would definitely end up leading to somewhere we don't want to 
go on this list).

The only possible additional restriction I can see which may have helped is 
further restricting devices designed to effectively convert non-automatic 
weapons to automatic functions.  I find it irrational that one would restrict 
automatic weapons, but would not apply similar restrictions to "conversion" 
products. On the other hand, I can think of dozens of ways to modify a 
semi-automatic to automatic functions, many of which made easier to accomplish 
with the prevalence of 3d printing.

Which leads me to the belief that we need to go deeper into the cause here.   
Access to guns is not the problem.   Having people who want to use guns (or 
other weapons) in this way is the problem - the question is how do we solve 
that one?

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:39 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
We have the FOID in IL. You cannot buy or transport firearms or ammo without 
your card on you. Our CCL is a completely separate card, and yep, you gotta 
have both on you to carry.
Our waiting periods are 1 day for long guns, 3 days for hand guns. Our 
4473s/background checks are ran through both the IL State Police and NICS.

So no, it is not "easy" to buy guns legally for the law-abiding here.

None of this stops the gang bangers from getting guns. Nor the quiet nut jobs.
On 10/2/2017 6:05 PM, Jason Wilson wrote:
I need to clarify my last message. in California we have the pleasure of 
waiting 10 days before we can pick up the firearms that we purchased. in the 
state of Nevada there is no waiting period and they can be purchased over the 
counter

On Oct 2, 2017 3:26 PM, "Carl Peterson" 
> wrote:
How on earth does someone buy that many guns and that much ammo without setting 
off all sorts of sirens?  You would think ATF would have some sort of triggers 
set for when someone buys a bunch of guns and ammo.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
59 dead, 527 injured,. 18 more guns found at one home with thousands of rounds 
plus electronics of some kind.

On Oct 2, 2017 1:30 PM, "George Skorup" 
> wrote:
s/clip/magazine

Sorry Bill, had to.
On 10/2/2017 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many minutes; maybe 15 or 20 or 
so. From the sound, you could hear what sounded like automatic weapon fire 
going and going until the clip was empty (and it sounded like a big clip). Then 
there was a brief pause (people on the scene described it as "30 seconds"), 
then another round with another clip. There were at least 6 or 7 clips.

There are probably eye witness errors in the above description, but if it's 
even close to correct, it is pretty scary.



bp




On 10/2/2017 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

How long did this event last?
From the time he started shooting how long until 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

[Sterling Jacobson]

Uh, so ‘mute’ the second radio on each side in that picture?

And then peak out the one that’s at -61 currently?

Then turn them both back ‘un mute’?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 12:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

Align with single pol then turn second pol on.

It is probably an alignment issue.  Been through this before with XPIC...


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com<mailto:er...@northcentraltower.com>
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Trying to aim up these pair of radios in XPIC and it looks like I've got a lot 
of issues.

This is just from trying to peak one side today.

I'll try more on the other side.

But it also appears that I've got a huge difference between the H and V radios 
in dB.

I mean, is a 7dB difference equivalent to like several degrees off in H/V 
rotation?

Our people tried to rotate the radio with the given groove/slack in the radio 
mount, but didn't seem to change anything.

[AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

[Sterling Jacobson]

Trying to aim up these pair of radios in XPIC and it looks like I've got a lot 
of issues.

This is just from trying to peak one side today.

I'll try more on the other side.

But it also appears that I've got a huge difference between the H and V radios 
in dB.

I mean, is a 7dB difference equivalent to like several degrees off in H/V 
rotation?

Our people tried to rotate the radio with the given groove/slack in the radio 
mount, but didn't seem to change anything.

Re: [AFMUG] Ben Moore, ubnt, fix your documentation of basic things!

[Sterling Jacobson]

I agree, was just looking for that a week ago too.

I’m still unclear.

My backbone is generally set for 9000+ MTU.

Do I need to change my Mikrotik Ethernet ports attached to the Air Fiber units 
to a specific MTU?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ben Moore, ubnt, fix your documentation of basic things!

oh yeah, and there is no mention of MTU capabilities for any model of airfiber 
in the most recent pdf datasheet either:

https://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/airfiber/airFiber_DS.pdf

Is that not a basic datasheet thing to list?  Particularly for PTP bridge 
radios?  I know it is for every serious PTP radio I've seen from almost every 
other manufacturer.





On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
Now, I know this, and everyone on the list knows this, because we've been using 
the AF24 for years. We know we can use it with either 1600 or 9000 byte MTU.

But I find it amazing that there is no mention anywhere of max MTU (or MTU 
settings/capabilities in general) anywhere whatsoever in the ubnt AF24 users 
manual:

https://dl.ubnt.com/guides/airfiber/airFiber_AF24_UG.pdf

ctrl-f for "mtu"...  nothing.

People should not be required to google "af24 mtu 9000" and trawl through forum 
posts from non-ubnt-employee third parties on the ubnt forum to know if a PTP 
bridge product is going to work for a particular application or not. Same goes 
for the AF11FX and AF24HD.

[AFMUG] Ceragon IP20C/820C Config Help

[Sterling Jacobson]

Ok, so I think I'm back in business after all the Ceragon shipment crapola.

I've got my IP20C radios running and one side is showing around -70/-77 for V/H 
on XPIC.
The other side shows -93 on both, so it's not configured correctly or aimed at 
all maybe.

Was there someone on this list I could give access to my Ceragon radios and 
have them check configuration for my link params?

It's still on version 8.

Re: [AFMUG] Gino is OK...network not so much

[Sterling Jacobson]

Good to hear that.

It sucks, but if the power is mostly down, then at least the customers won’t be 
complaining as much as they also don’t have power to run their internet locally 
anyways.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 12:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gino is OK...network not so much

Glad he's safe!

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Chuck Hogg 
> wrote:
I just received texts from Gino... He is alive and well... The network is 
mostly down and they will be assessing damage soon.

Regards,
Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] Speed Tests

[Sterling Jacobson]

I’ve gotten about 8-9Gbps on speedtest.net before from my desktop.

That was pure routed one hop to my own server.

Offnet it was still like 8Gbps to a good local(ish) server, again pure routing.

Now I get like 1500Mbps down by about 4600Mbps upload to my own server and 
others on 10Gbps around here.

I think after I implemented MPLS/VPLS on OSPF something in there sort of killed 
my speedtest.net results.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 2:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speed Tests

Yeah, that is kinda what I am running in to.  There has to be a way around it.  
I posted this problem to ookla too.  Hopefully they will respond.

From: Al Rachide
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 2:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speed Tests

We did a speed test on a full GIG DIA fiber line. It took THREE computers 
simultaneously, two with I5s and one with an I7 processor. All 3 had gigabit 
internet cards. We did indeed get a totwl throughput of 997mbit down and 
1003mbit up. But that was the combined total of all 3 computers running the 
speed test at the same time. We think the reality is that any one computer, no 
matter how powerful, can actually send or receive 1000mbit speed.  Al

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Hold on Gino (Steve Jones)
   2. Speedtests (Chuck McCown)
   3. Re: Speedtests (Jesse DuPont)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 14:22:53 -0500
From: Steve Jones >
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hold on Gino
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their power is like 80 or more percent out

On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Zach Underwood 
>
wrote:

> Also looks like his backbone is still online
>
> https://stat.ripe.net/14979#tabId=routing
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Zach Underwood 
> >
> wrote:
>
>> More than half of the prefix from PR are offline
>> https://stat.ripe.net/PR#tabId=routing
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 2:28 PM, SmarterBroadband 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Maria must have be giving you hell.
>>>
>>> No power on the island!!!
>>>
>>> Hold on and Good luck.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
>> My website 
>> advance-networking.com
>>
>
>
>
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Hard to find an app or appliance that will reliably show a customer the speed 
they are getting when it is above 100 Mbps.  We have increasingly more 250, 500 
and 1G customers and when they complain that speed test shows a lower number I 
need something to prove them wrong.  An average laptop does not cut it.

We have installed our own speedtest server with the ookla recommended hardware 
etc.  But it takes a pretty good computer that actually show a gig.  Ditto 
iperf.  Be nice if there was some kind of handheld device that could do this.   
There are all kinds of hand held computers designed to roll your own piece of 
test or control gear.  Just not sure what is important.

CPU speed
Memory size
PHY circuit
Memory type

I guess I should ask this question of ookla...
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Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon Sucks, VLAN help please

[Sterling Jacobson]

I found it finally.

I searched Cambium stuff for the answer and that was a lot more helpful.

It was buried under a sub menu button under a submenu item.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 2:16 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon Sucks, VLAN help please

I hate Ceragon with a passion.

For the life of me I cannot figure out how to configure in-band management on 
my IP20C that they reset to defaults.

Nowhere in the GUI does it have any option for VLAN.

My other side has it set up, but going through what I thought was all of the 
pages I can't see where the VLAN setting I'm even USING is shown on that side 
of the link.

Let alone program it on the defaulted side now.

Anyone that can give me basic steps to setting up in band management on IP20C 
for version 8? Or CLI?

Also, if anyone has the newer software version, I wouldn't mind that.

Ceragon is no help unless you pay them a small fortune every year.

[AFMUG] Ceragon Sucks, VLAN help please

[Sterling Jacobson]

I hate Ceragon with a passion.

For the life of me I cannot figure out how to configure in-band management on 
my IP20C that they reset to defaults.

Nowhere in the GUI does it have any option for VLAN.

My other side has it set up, but going through what I thought was all of the 
pages I can't see where the VLAN setting I'm even USING is shown on that side 
of the link.

Let alone program it on the defaulted side now.

Anyone that can give me basic steps to setting up in band management on IP20C 
for version 8? Or CLI?

Also, if anyone has the newer software version, I wouldn't mind that.

Ceragon is no help unless you pay them a small fortune every year.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Is it time to buy UBNT stock?

[Sterling Jacobson]

Lol!

Were any actual investors complaining about UBNT before the ‘big news’?

I didn’t hear of it, but then again, I don’t have stock.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 9:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Is it time to buy UBNT stock?


up 2% today.  imagine that

- Original Message -
From: Steve Jones
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Is it time to buy UBNT stock?

So bloomberg is hammering them this mirning for not having a big enough 
board
Gee, i wonder how it is a company that avoids bloat could have good numbers

On Sep 19, 2017 8:56 PM, "Chuck Hogg" 
> wrote:
I agree with a lot that's been said.

1. There are plenty of evangelists.  Hell, come to WISPAPALOOZA and you'll find 
hundreds of them, hell they'll likely be wearing UBNT shirts!
2.  Netgear is their competition?  So very far from it.  Maybe in AmpliFi...but 
what about the 4+ other lines, AirMax, AirFiber, UniFi, and the accessories.
3.  They are one of the most successful in their core space, the WISP market.  
And all the disruptive pricing agendas pushed by UBNT have forced competition 
to become more innovative.  When you had to bundle equipment together to make a 
CPE work versus buying it the way we do todaythis has not only helped the 
industry, but also helped UBNT.



Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
It seems to be the thing de jour for investment bankers is to short something 
and then bash it because it's about to go down.

Jamie diamond kinda did the same thing with bitcoin (although I don't know if 
he was actually invested in bitcoin)

1.  Short something
2.  write some FUD
3.  Profit!!!

Yay 

-sean


On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 6:40 PM Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
Didn't somebody do this to one of the credit agencies just last week?

Breach the company, bet on the stock going down, release the breach info, 
profit.

On Sep 19, 2017 7:35 PM, "Carl Peterson" 
> wrote:

They are short UBNT.  They could look up UBNT's new address but that doesn't 
help their case so why would they.  They shorted UBNT based on the theory that 
it couldn't work unless it was run by a "real CEO" and management team, I.e 
people from their club.  They got hit hard in the recent run up in share price 
and are throwing all the mud they can find at the wall in the hopes that some 
of it might stick.  This isn't a research report by a disinterested third party.

On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
Yeah, there seems to be a lot of complete nonsense in there. They say that 
nobody is going to sit on a forum helping people setup home router, which may 
very well be true, but they seem to be assuming that the majority of what 
Ubiquiti sells is home routers... and I'm pretty sure home routers are actually 
a pretty tiny percentage of their sales.

If you spend a few minutes on the UBNT forums, it's pretty clear that these 
"evangelists" really do exist, and there are quite a few of them.
I could be way off, but as far as I can tell, the majority of UBNT's income is 
from unifi, airmax and airfiber... and that's a very different market from what 
the likes of Netgear is dealing with.
It's entirely possible that there is some kind of fraud going on, and there are 
some points in there that are a bit worrying, but there's a lot of stuff in 
there that makes me think they didn't do anywhere near as much research into 
the company as they should have before writing something like that.

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
I was not convinced by the argument that they're "too successful".  Some 
Ubiquiti users actually are evangelists, in spite of Left thinking that's not 
possible.  They do have disruptive products in spite of what Mr Left thinks.  
Left picked on outsourcing engineering to Latvia like that was obviously 
stupidwhen Latvia does in fact make electronics.  So he's clearly not 
infallible.

If the only reason for the empty office photos is that they moved, then that's 
a huge oversight on Left's part.  Seemed like a smoking gun, but I assumed the 
person writing the report is smart enough to find Ubiquiti's current address.  
Maybe I assumed wrong.

The forum being full of bots and lurkers seemed bad at first pass, but in 
hindsight I guess all forums are full of bots and lurkers.

He also claimed that the amount U.S. distributors buy from UBNT is incongruent 
with their claimed sales.  It could still be right if it's like 90% overseas.  
Is it?  How do we know?

Just askin.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Is it time to buy UBNT stock?

[Sterling Jacobson]

Sounds like their numbers don’t add up at all on first take.

Just a wild guess, but I’m thinking too much off-shoring of funds.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 10:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Is it time to buy UBNT stock?

Well, three law firms representing UBNT investors have launched investigations 
today.  I think I will wait and see what they find.

"NEW YORK, Sept. 19, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- Attorney Advertising -- Bronstein, 
Gewirtz & Grossman, LLC is investigating potential claims on behalf of 
purchasers of Ubiquiti Networks, Inc. ("Ubiquiti" or the "Company") (Nasdaq: 
UBNT). Such investors are encouraged to obtain additional information and 
assist the investigation by visiting the firm's site: 
www.bgandg.com/ubnt."

"LOS ANGELES--(BUSINESS WIRE)--September 19, 2017-- Lundin Law PC, a 
shareholder rights firm, announces that it is investigating claims against 
Ubiquiti Networks, Inc. ("Ubiquiti" or the "Company") (Nasdaq: UBNT) concerning 
possible violations of federal securities laws."

"SAN DIEGO, Sept. 19, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- Shareholder Rights Law Firm Johnson 
Fistel, LLP is investigating potential violations of the federal securities 
laws by Ubiquiti Networks, Inc. (NASDAQ: UBNT) ("Ubiquiti") and certain of its 
officers. Ubiquiti develops networking technology for service providers, 
enterprises, and consumers worldwide."

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
Interesting article.  They've had a high operating margin for a long time so if 
it was some kind of trick then it would have come to light by now.  You can't 
make imaginary money for very long.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jerry Head" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/19/2017 9:31:02 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT. Is it time to buy UBNT stock?

https://goo.gl/JqRHCV

[AFMUG] Ceragon Software

[Sterling Jacobson]

Anyone have the latest Ceragon update software for the IPC20?

[AFMUG] Airfiber 11FX vs. Ceragon

[Sterling Jacobson]

Thanks to Trey for finding and shipping/selling me the part that Ceragon 
damaged in return shipping!

That made it so I could finally remount my radio.

They must have defaulted the Ceragon radio because none of my IP/programming in 
band works and I didn't add the Ethernet for management cable.
Got to go back now and do all that over again and hopefully access and program 
the radio.

But now I'm wondering if I should just buy a set of Airfiber 11FX equipment and 
replace the Ceragon entirely.

Does Airfiber 11FX do the full band in XPIC like the Ceragon?

Can it mate to my existing dual-pol antennas?

I can't find much info on that online.

Has anyone done a similar 'swap out' with Airfiber 11FX fully maxed spectrum 
and bandwidth wise yet?

Re: [AFMUG] Storm recovery in Florida

[Sterling Jacobson]

I don't have employees, but I do have a very good contractor that might be able 
to help out.

I would miss him terribly for a week or two, and I don't think he can afford to 
volunteer.

Seems dumb to ask, but would there be compensation for contractors by chance?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 5:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Storm recovery in Florida

I know I speak for myself and Gino, that we both will likely need extra 
personnel to recovery from Irma after the storm passes.  We have 38 towers 
across 4 counties in SouthEast Florida, and have prepared as best we can.  We 
have been down this road before and it is not fun.

It looks like regardless of the direct track of the storm, our customers will 
be significantly impacted.

If there is anyone who can spare a good employee for a week or two afterwards, 
it would be greatly appreciated  they will be welcomed warmly and treated very 
well.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Ah dudes

[Sterling Jacobson]

I’m always temped to write sharpie on things, but then I think to myself, what 
would the AFMUG group think of me?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 10:22 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ah dudes

We pride ourselves on clean install and labelingfound this today...instead 
of asking us for labels they used a sharpie... ugh

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma

[Sterling Jacobson]

Maybe you raise your post storm prices by 1000 percent because you need to make 
a profit and you are a monopoly?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 6:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma

Maybe you dont tell the feds, maybe yous tell the feds you had the best 
powergrid and get fema dough to rebuild some nice infrastructure

On Sep 5, 2017 7:27 PM, "Gino A. Villarini" 
> wrote:
Well.  The process is to ride the storm… Lucky for us, 90% of all structures 
are full concrete, so they’ll withstands the winds no problem.  Lots of folks 
either have storm resistant windows or use storm shutters.  For those that do 
not live in a secure home or are close to the coast line, the government uses 
school buildings are refuge.

The big issue its going to be the power grid, 90% is aerial and the local power 
company is in its worst economic position in its existence. (broke).  Last big 
hurricanes (Hugo 89 and Georges 98) it took up to 4 months to restore power in 
some areas!

From: Af > on behalf of Steve 
Jones >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 5:03 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma

I dont know how island life works, like if there were transport vessels into 
the us mainland. I dont know how evacuations actually work, I am one who would 
not evacuate short of a visible mushroom cloud.
what do they do with regular people type people that arent prepared down there?




Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
Camp under the aracebo antenna.

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 2:22 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma

They just need to hollow out a mountain to hide in.

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
Go into your undersea shelter.

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 2:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma

On an island I suppose you just have to batten the hatches and hold on to your 
hat.


-- Original Message --
From: "Gino A. Villarini" >
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 9/5/2017 4:07:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma

Evacuations? Where to?

We fall under FEMA

From: Af > on behalf of Steve 
Jones >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 1:44 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma

Is PR running evacuations or anything? I dont know much about their elevations 
or anything, but its looking pretty grim.  Are they under the FEMA umbrella as 
a territory?




Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 12:31 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
Holy shit. 200MPH wind ain't nothin to fux with.
On 9/5/2017 10:03 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Have you considered heading to the US mainland? :(

On Sep 5, 2017 10:01 AM, "Gino A. Villarini" 
> wrote:
Gusts up to 216 mph…  this does not look good

From: Af > on behalf of Paul 
McCall >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 9:06 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma

We are all praying…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 11:06 PM
To: Animal Farm >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma

Prayers headed their way..




Gino A. Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

On Sep 4, 2017 9:03 PM, "George Skorup" 
> wrote:
I'm sure Gino and Mike in PR and VI are prepping. Stay safe down there guys!

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

[Sterling Jacobson]

Not surprising, but sad to hear things haven’t changed one bit with ServerPlus 
in the years since I swore I would never use them again, lol!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

Supposed to specifically state not to ask for a mac from box. Because it was an 
issue. But, i bet we get an accurate bill. The bills are always consistent. The 
level of irate i have right now excedes my bac, thats pretty high at 944 pm

On Aug 31, 2017 9:31 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
That idea is coming from somewhere and I too would think it comes from the DT.  
None of my calls say anything about MAC (we NAT our SM).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
What does your DT say to do?


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From: "Steve Jones" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:25:38 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT
Reviving a dead one, cause i can.
So serverplus, no matter how many times you ask them to stop, still asks 
customers for the mac off their router, even though 95 percent of the routers 
on the market list the freaking wireless mac. They cant seem to follow simple 
poe instructions, constantly escalating (and billing) when they hook poes up 
backward.

If you have another option, look into it. Because right now, ill get a follow 
up, solely because of this post, as i did from the original post im replying to.


I dont mind our own mopes being mopes. I dont even ming paid mopes being mopes. 
What i dont like is mopes, billing us for mopery, and escalating response to 
being mopes when called out in public only. Promising to deescalate the mopery, 
and continuing to be mopes and billing for mopery.

At this point, direct dialing saudi arabia is a better option. At least when 
amrut answers the phone, our customers expectations drop to the level of 
outsource. And amrut will actually be consistent.

On Jul 12, 2017 7:10 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
I'm not Direct TV and don't want to be compared to them.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 11, 2017 10:43 PM, "Darin Steffl" 
> wrote:
I am happy what we pay with the average hold times averaging 1-2 minutes. Our 
residential subs don't need hold times any shorter than that for after hours 
support. Compared to our other WISP's, we're the only one that offers 24/7 
support anyway so we're already ahead of the competition there.

I know when I call DirecTV or Verizon, Centurylink, I almost always wait at 
least 3-5 minutes before I get a rep. Not always but usually.

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
I would pay 30% more from my current rates to reduce it to sub 30 seconds.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 11, 2017 6:36 PM, "Chuck McCown" 
> wrote:
I am in the camp of “screw em”, let them hold or else they can call us in the 
morning.

I would probably feel different if you were the first point of contact for all 
calls.

But we take our calls directly during most waking & working hours.

From: Layne Sisk
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 4:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

[Sterling Jacobson]

Ok.

Is this easier to do with a APC Symmetra PC Power Array system?

I found one for a good price for pickup 16Kva for $1800.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

How many kwh is that?
Batts can be had for 15 cents per watt hour  - or -

$150 per kWh.
Inverters come in at 15-30 cents per watt.

Lets say you want a 20 kWh battery, DIY it should cost $3K for the batts.
10 kW will run most homes unless you have all the AC and clothes dryers running 
at the same time.
So $1500 for an inverter.

-Original Message-
From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:03 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall battery.

Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array in my 
utility room?

I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.

Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of whole home 
inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a battery array 
for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.
Then have a whole home generator on NG for any extended power outages.

But I’m having a hard time finding online any sort of DIY or sample/guide for 
electricians to make this.

Is this not ‘normal’ now days?

I don’t have solar, but would like to consider it in the future as well.
Wife doesn’t like the look of panels on the roof ☹ 

[AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

[Sterling Jacobson]

Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall battery.

Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array in my 
utility room?

I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.

Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of whole home 
inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a battery array 
for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.
Then have a whole home generator on NG for any extended power outages.

But I’m having a hard time finding online any sort of DIY or sample/guide for 
electricians to make this.

Is this not ‘normal’ now days?

I don’t have solar, but would like to consider it in the future as well.
Wife doesn’t like the look of panels on the roof ☹

[AFMUG] Ubiquiti Compatible POE/Arrest/Surge solution

[Sterling Jacobson]

What's the current options for bringing in 8-12 Ethernet lines on POE for 
lightning arrest.

Something compact that could fit in a cabinet/box.

I think there was a DIN solution, or rack mount POE/Arrestor 1U unit maybe?

Probably not a POE switch, though that would be nice, sounds like it would blow 
a port though if lighting struck nearby.

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Enclosure Setup

[Sterling Jacobson]

I saw that, but probably too small.

Something like that, only 3' x 3', so maybe Graybar or Codale Electric.
I'll have to check.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Dupont
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 8:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com; 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Enclosure Setup

https://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=ENC%2DST%2D24x24x16=0


From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 7:57:09 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor Enclosure Setup

I've got a WISP client that wants to mount a large enclosure outside his house 
for 'the usual'.

I'm a bit out of practice on these, but I remember getting a largish 3' x 3' x 
18" or something similar metal box for this type of thing.
And mounting a shelf and some fans and creating venting on the bottom with some 
filters for dust etc.

Is there a 'solution' available for this from Streakwave or somewhere?

Like a large box already done up right?

Also, he's got lots of UBNT POE, and one of my Airfiber links to host in it.

So what's the newest/latest method for on roof antenna to POE arrestors/power 
solution?

Yeah, it's been a while, lol!

[AFMUG] Outdoor Enclosure Setup

[Sterling Jacobson]

I've got a WISP client that wants to mount a large enclosure outside his house 
for 'the usual'.

I'm a bit out of practice on these, but I remember getting a largish 3' x 3' x 
18" or something similar metal box for this type of thing.
And mounting a shelf and some fans and creating venting on the bottom with some 
filters for dust etc.

Is there a 'solution' available for this from Streakwave or somewhere?

Like a large box already done up right?

Also, he's got lots of UBNT POE, and one of my Airfiber links to host in it.

So what's the newest/latest method for on roof antenna to POE arrestors/power 
solution?

Yeah, it's been a while, lol!

Re: [AFMUG] Planet

[Sterling Jacobson]

Yes, I’m using those now.

MCH better!

And I get them for less than retail because I’m loved by Fiberstore, lol!

I am working up a case study for them with pictures soon.

But first I need to clean up the mess I made in the ‘model’ cabinet, haha.

Attached is my ‘before’ picture with the 24 port Dells.

I don’t even want to show a picture of the ‘between’ situation with the Planet 
switches, it was horrible.

Now it’s running on four of the Fiberstore switches, with room to expand, way 
less power draw and heat output.

This is our first cabinet in our system, so it has a hodgepodge of panels in 
it, instead of our sleek 4U 576 count panel.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 3:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet

http://www.fs.com/products/29127.html

Looks interesting. Price isn't bad at all.
On 8/24/2017 3:38 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
I’ve heard good things about their hardened gear.

But I’m currently trying my hardest to get five of their switches refunded or 
credited.

They are the 48 port SFP four port SFP+ switches, I don’t know the model number 
off hand, it’s large.

But they were DEFINITELY NOT rated for use in a rack, though I didn’t know that 
when I bought them.

They had all sorts of bugs in the SFP and SFP+ ports when fully loaded.

Good news is they were pretty quick to respond and diagnose and send out beta 
firmware to load.

Bad news is the beta firmware did nothing to help.

And their suggestion of “do not put the switches one on top of another in a 
rack without space between” was really stupid.

I think those particular switches were meant to be kept in a very cool room, 
isolated physically from anything so their weak ass fans could keep it cool 
under load.

They were at least 10-20 degrees CELCIUS hotter than any of my other switches 
in the rack, even when ‘spaced’ apart from each other.

In one case HALF of the SFP ports, 25-48 on the right ‘bank’ completely died 
and wouldn’t light up anymore on one of the switches.

Just plan sucky hardware in that case, that no amount of beta firmware was ever 
going to fix, lol!



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 1:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Planet

Planet has been talked about a few times in the past here.

They do have some interesting stuff.
I just noticed they make a mini 2-port GPON OLT for $1400.

There's also this little bugger which looks like it could be a WISP micro-POP 
in a box:
http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=48944

Is this a good company in general?  Do they have stable firmware and good 
documentation?

Re: [AFMUG] Planet

[Sterling Jacobson]

I’ve heard good things about their hardened gear.

But I’m currently trying my hardest to get five of their switches refunded or 
credited.

They are the 48 port SFP four port SFP+ switches, I don’t know the model number 
off hand, it’s large.

But they were DEFINITELY NOT rated for use in a rack, though I didn’t know that 
when I bought them.

They had all sorts of bugs in the SFP and SFP+ ports when fully loaded.

Good news is they were pretty quick to respond and diagnose and send out beta 
firmware to load.

Bad news is the beta firmware did nothing to help.

And their suggestion of “do not put the switches one on top of another in a 
rack without space between” was really stupid.

I think those particular switches were meant to be kept in a very cool room, 
isolated physically from anything so their weak ass fans could keep it cool 
under load.

They were at least 10-20 degrees CELCIUS hotter than any of my other switches 
in the rack, even when ‘spaced’ apart from each other.

In one case HALF of the SFP ports, 25-48 on the right ‘bank’ completely died 
and wouldn’t light up anymore on one of the switches.

Just plan sucky hardware in that case, that no amount of beta firmware was ever 
going to fix, lol!



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 1:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Planet

Planet has been talked about a few times in the past here.

They do have some interesting stuff.
I just noticed they make a mini 2-port GPON OLT for $1400.

There's also this little bugger which looks like it could be a WISP micro-POP 
in a box:
http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=48944

Is this a good company in general?  Do they have stable firmware and good 
documentation?

Re: [AFMUG] Planet

[Sterling Jacobson]

That does look interesting.

I could use that instead of a UPS at MDU houses.

Would be nice to connect to a battery system and have it also monitor the local 
Mikrotik transceiver.

Would definitely solve my recent problems one way or another with power 
brownouts causing my gear to freeze SFP+ comms!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 1:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Planet

Fair documentation, not the best English which shouldn't be surprising. Never 
had a problem with their gear other than some funky port weirdness having to do 
with the first couple of SFP ports on some managed switches. I have only used 
their industrial rated gear and it all worked pretty reliably. That item does 
look interesting.

On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 2:10 PM Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
Planet has been talked about a few times in the past here.

They do have some interesting stuff.
I just noticed they make a mini 2-port GPON OLT for $1400.

There's also this little bugger which looks like it could be a WISP micro-POP 
in a box:
http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=48944

Is this a good company in general?  Do they have stable firmware and good 
documentation?

Re: [AFMUG] Brown-outs, Power fluctuations lock up Mikrotik CRS units

[Sterling Jacobson]

Probably about half of them were on battery UPS, yes.

On the POE side anyways, not on the direct DC plug.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 3:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Brown-outs, Power fluctuations lock up Mikrotik CRS units

Maybe a battery backup ? 


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-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 12:40 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Brown-outs, Power fluctuations lock up Mikrotik CRS units

I get power glitches from time to time in our city and it never fails to cause 
one or more of our CRS units to glitch.

They appear powered and running, but SFP+ modules don't communicate until a 
power cycle.

Anyone else see this?

And generally, I don't understand how variations in 110v AC get through the DC 
power wart and cause problems to the CRS.

I mean, shouldn't the conversion from AC to DC inherently clean up some of the 
crap of the AC power?

Or is this a function of the power dipping low enough for brief time, that the 
DC also goes almost out then surges back?

The CRS handles a wide range of DC input voltage, so I thought it would be more 
immune to fluctuations of DC voltage too.

Is that what is causing problems with the CRS maybe?

Re: [AFMUG] Brown-outs, Power fluctuations lock up Mikrotik CRS units

[Sterling Jacobson]

I'll have to try both of those next time and see.

Maybe there would be a watchdog function in Mikrotik I could use to power cycle 
automatically in these cases.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 12:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Brown-outs, Power fluctuations lock up Mikrotik CRS units

I'd be curious if disable/enable the interface brings the SFP back to life, or 
re-inserting the SFP module.


-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/23/2017 2:24:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Brown-outs, Power fluctuations lock up Mikrotik CRS 
units

>He's saying the switch is "up" but the SFP's stop communicating until a 
>reboot.
>I assumed fiber SFP's.  Maybe in a brownout the SFP dies first because 
>it's farther from the power supply than other components in the switch.
>
>
>-- Original Message --
>From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>To: af@afmug.com
>Sent: 8/23/2017 2:03:52 PM
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Brown-outs, Power fluctuations lock up Mikrotik 
>CRS units
>
>>Glitches could come in through the ethernet side too.
>>
>>-Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 11:59 AM
>>To: af@afmug.com
>>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Brown-outs,Power fluctuations lock up Mikrotik 
>>CRS units
>>
>>I had about 10 of these units suffer from the disconnect problem this 
>>morning.
>>
>>Some were powered solely from DC wall plug directly to round 
>>connector.
>>
>>Some were powered solely from POE injector from included DC wall plug 
>>power supply.
>>
>>Some were actually powered by both direct DC round plug AND POE from 
>>the Ethernet/Ether1 port.
>>
>>So in essence I've ruled all of those combos out as individual 
>>immunity/culprits.
>>
>>Some of these were plugged in to small UPS units from APC or similar 
>>brand.
>>
>>Which I know don't do line conditioning, so that doesn't surprise me 
>>there.
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 11:56 AM
>>To: af@afmug.com
>>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Brown-outs, Power fluctuations lock up Mikrotik 
>>CRS units
>>
>>We have at least 50 CRS and I've never seen that.
>>We aren't using the wall warts though.  These are almost all on Traco 
>>48v power supplies plus a 48 to 24 converter.  So I have a second 
>>layer of conversion between the device and the power.  That's just an 
>>observation and I don't know that it ought to make a difference.
>>
>>
>>-- Original Message --
>>From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
>>To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>Sent: 8/23/2017 1:39:43 PM
>>Subject: [AFMUG] Brown-outs, Power fluctuations lock up Mikrotik CRS 
>>units
>>
>>>I get power glitches from time to time in our city and it never fails
>>>to cause one or more of our CRS units to glitch.
>>>
>>>They appear powered and running, but SFP+ modules don't communicate
>>>until a power cycle.
>>>
>>>Anyone else see this?
>>>
>>>And generally, I don't understand how variations in 110v AC get 
>>>through
>>>the DC power wart and cause problems to the CRS.
>>>
>>>I mean, shouldn't the conversion from AC to DC inherently clean up 
>>>some
>>>of the crap of the AC power?
>>>
>>>Or is this a function of the power dipping low enough for brief time,
>>>that the DC also goes almost out then surges back?
>>>
>>>The CRS handles a wide range of DC input voltage, so I thought it 
>>>would
>>>be more immune to fluctuations of DC voltage too.
>>>
>>>Is that what is causing problems with the CRS maybe?
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Brown-outs, Power fluctuations lock up Mikrotik CRS units

[Sterling Jacobson]

I had about 10 of these units suffer from the disconnect problem this morning.

Some were powered solely from DC wall plug directly to round connector.

Some were powered solely from POE injector from included DC wall plug power 
supply.

Some were actually powered by both direct DC round plug AND POE from the 
Ethernet/Ether1 port.

So in essence I've ruled all of those combos out as individual 
immunity/culprits.

Some of these were plugged in to small UPS units from APC or similar brand.

Which I know don't do line conditioning, so that doesn't surprise me there.



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 11:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Brown-outs, Power fluctuations lock up Mikrotik CRS units

We have at least 50 CRS and I've never seen that.
We aren't using the wall warts though.  These are almost all on Traco 48v power 
supplies plus a 48 to 24 converter.  So I have a second layer of conversion 
between the device and the power.  That's just an observation and I don't know 
that it ought to make a difference.


-- Original Message --
From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 8/23/2017 1:39:43 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Brown-outs, Power fluctuations lock up Mikrotik CRS units

>I get power glitches from time to time in our city and it never fails 
>to cause one or more of our CRS units to glitch.
>
>They appear powered and running, but SFP+ modules don't communicate 
>until a power cycle.
>
>Anyone else see this?
>
>And generally, I don't understand how variations in 110v AC get through 
>the DC power wart and cause problems to the CRS.
>
>I mean, shouldn't the conversion from AC to DC inherently clean up some 
>of the crap of the AC power?
>
>Or is this a function of the power dipping low enough for brief time, 
>that the DC also goes almost out then surges back?
>
>The CRS handles a wide range of DC input voltage, so I thought it would 
>be more immune to fluctuations of DC voltage too.
>
>Is that what is causing problems with the CRS maybe?
>
>

[AFMUG] Brown-outs, Power fluctuations lock up Mikrotik CRS units

[Sterling Jacobson]

I get power glitches from time to time in our city and it never fails to cause 
one or more of our CRS units to glitch.

They appear powered and running, but SFP+ modules don't communicate until a 
power cycle.

Anyone else see this?

And generally, I don't understand how variations in 110v AC get through the DC 
power wart and cause problems to the CRS.

I mean, shouldn't the conversion from AC to DC inherently clean up some of the 
crap of the AC power?

Or is this a function of the power dipping low enough for brief time, that the 
DC also goes almost out then surges back?

The CRS handles a wide range of DC input voltage, so I thought it would be more 
immune to fluctuations of DC voltage too.

Is that what is causing problems with the CRS maybe?

Re: [AFMUG] Another Ceragon ODU Frequency Question

[Sterling Jacobson]

I had the Low radio on the Low end, so that was correct.

But are you saying for sure this radio cannot select that low of a channel?

Also, now that I'm thinking of it, do the 3' Andrews dishes need to be 
High/Low? 
I was pretty sure the 3' dishes typically covered the entire 11GHz band, right?

What do I do about the radios now?

I'm thinking of comparing the radio I got back from Ceragon with my other radio 
and seeing if somehow Ceragon did something or put a wrong part back on it.
Since it refuses to mount back on the antenna it used to mount to now...

Someone shoot me.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Another Ceragon ODU Frequency Question

Yeah, that's not gonna work real well, or at all. Is this the link where you 
had them backwards? Didn't you end up swapping them? Or did you open them up 
and change the diplexers?

On 8/18/2017 6:09 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
> Ok, so maybe this is a problem and maybe not.
>
> But our license says we transmit LOW at channel 10835MHz.
>
> The sticker on the label of the LOW Ceragon ODU shows transmit at 
> 10915-11207MHz.
>
> Does that mean I have the wrong ODU for this license?
>
> Or is the IP-20C radio that I have capable of that channel and it's ok 
> because that's just a sticker, not the limitations of the actual ODU transmit.
>
> Anyone know?

[AFMUG] Another Ceragon ODU Frequency Question

[Sterling Jacobson]

Ok, so maybe this is a problem and maybe not.

But our license says we transmit LOW at channel 10835MHz.

The sticker on the label of the LOW Ceragon ODU shows transmit at 
10915-11207MHz.

Does that mean I have the wrong ODU for this license?

Or is the IP-20C radio that I have capable of that channel and it's ok because 
that's just a sticker, not the limitations of the actual ODU transmit.

Anyone know?