Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interconnect recommendations

2007-02-23 Thread Eric Carroll
In the rather forlone hope I might influence someone to avoid spending tons of cash... Here is a company that makes totally reasonable cables, doesn't charge alot, and is really nice to deal with. They make balanced, unbalanced and video cables amongst many others. Definately NOT audiophile

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lite Audio DAC-60 thinking about getting one..

2007-02-23 Thread crooner
Now... Looking at the innards of my DAC-60 while upgrading the tubes, I really don't know why people are modding the heck out of them. It comes with top quality parts already! All the stock electrolytics are audio/audiophile quality. There are tons of Elna Silmic's (considered by many to be

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Nikhil
Eric Carroll;182701 Wrote: Bottom line is that the only way to rip HDCD right now seems to be to use WMP 9 or 10 (9 worked for me, 11 definately did not work), use a plugin to capture the 24 bit WAV file, play the songs in real time (ick) and use the built in HDCD compander function of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Phil Leigh
Sorry to be dense, but could someone provide a step by step guide to capturing an HDCD as an expanded 24 bit WAV please? Can I start from a normal 16-bit HDCD WAV rip? Thanks Phil PS If I need MP 10 for this, is it possible to go back from MP11 which I see is installed (I never use MP...) --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blown away by Transporter

2007-02-23 Thread cliveb
nicketynick;182573 Wrote: ... buying a CD just to rip it and archive it sort of rubs me the wrong way. Agreed. And for the tree-huggers among us, it can be pointed out that the production distribution of CDs is a shocking waste of natural resources. -- cliveb Performers - dozens of mixers

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blown away by Transporter

2007-02-23 Thread egd
cliveb;182714 Wrote: Agreed. And for the tree-huggers among us, it can be pointed out that the production distribution of CDs is a shocking waste of natural resources. I hear you but I have to admit knowing they're there to be re-ripped if the need should ever arise is somewhat comforting.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Nikhil
Phil Leigh;182713 Wrote: Sorry to be dense, but could someone provide a step by step guide to capturing an HDCD as an expanded 24 bit WAV please? Can I start from a normal 16-bit HDCD WAV rip? AFAIK, WMP only recognizes HDCD data from an actual CD, not from WAV files. However if the HDCD

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Safe Resampling

2007-02-23 Thread Muggy
Pat Farrell;182640 Wrote: Muggy wrote: I think that both those method would change the frequency content of the signal. Not nearly as much as your example. By adding zeros between samples, the frequency content is mirrored/repeated at higher frequencies and this can then be

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Phil Leigh
Nikhil;182717 Wrote: AFAIK, WMP only recognizes HDCD data from an actual CD, not from WAV files. However if the HDCD information has been retained in your files, you can burn the WAVs or FLACs to a CD-R/RW, and then re-rip with WMP with the Chronotron WAV plugin enabled, and speaker output

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Safe Resampling

2007-02-23 Thread Muggy
ezkcdude;182646 Wrote: Why don't you guys just look at how upsampling is *actually* implemented? It's not done by zero-stuffing, but by using FIR filters. Just look up the data sheet for any ASRC, for example, AD1896. Please. Applying an FIR filter to a signal on it's own does not do any

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Phil Leigh
I installed the chronotron waveout plugin...but playing starts and then stops almost straight away and no file is created? -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records Studio Masters on Tp SB3

2007-02-23 Thread johann
Eric Carroll;182529 Wrote: Has anyone actually got the Linn 88.2 files to work in ANY manner? How did you do it? Do you mean played in SB/TP or in general? Here is what works for me. Linn 88.2kHz/24bit WMA Native in Windows Mediaplayer, Creative MediaSource, feeding an external DAC confirms

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Safe Resampling

2007-02-23 Thread inguz
Simply dropping samples doesn't work properly. Take a 96kHz signal with a loud sinewave at 46kHz. If you go to 48kHz sampling rate by throwing away every other sample, you should ideally end up with silence (the 46kHz signal can't be represented at that sampling rate) but instead you'll get a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophiles on Wikipedia - LOL!

2007-02-23 Thread Sir G
I'm afraid so (nobody's perfect) -- Sir G Sir G's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2489 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32978

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Safe Resampling

2007-02-23 Thread opaqueice
inguz;182737 Wrote: Simply dropping samples doesn't work properly. Take a 96kHz signal with a loud sinewave at 46kHz. If you go to 48kHz sampling rate by throwing away every other sample, you should ideally end up with silence (the 46kHz signal can't be represented at that sampling rate)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blown away by Transporter

2007-02-23 Thread nicketynick
egd;182716 Wrote: I hear you but I have to admit knowing they're there to be re-ripped if the need should ever arise is somewhat comforting. Yeah, but why archive it on plastic should the need ever arise? Just go back to the online source and get it again. For example, emusic.com allows you

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Nikhil
Phil Leigh;182724 Wrote: I installed the chronotron waveout plugin...but playing starts and then stops almost straight away and no file is created? Media Player 10 or 11 - I am unable to install MP9... Have you gone to - tools - plugins - options - background - chronotron wav out -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Phil Leigh
Nikhil;182760 Wrote: Have you gone to - tools - plugins - options - background - chronotron wav out - properties and set a correct path for the output files? I would try my hand at WMP11 first (check if the HDCD logo lights up), and only if it doesn't work try going down to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-23 Thread 325xi
It won't work unless you provide perfect coupling to the floor, and arrange anti-vibration platform on top of it. Add a baking stone on top to make it even better. And cryogen treated power cord - a must! -- 325xi simaudio nova cdp simaudio moon i-5 revel performa m20 via acoustic zen

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interconnect recommendations

2007-02-23 Thread 325xi
Eric Carroll;182707 Wrote: In the rather forlone hope I might influence someone to avoid spending tons of cash... Here is a company that makes totally reasonable cables, doesn't charge alot, and is really nice to deal with. They make balanced, unbalanced and video cables amongst many

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Safe Resampling

2007-02-23 Thread jt25741
inguz;182737 Wrote: Simply dropping samples doesn't work properly. Take a 96kHz signal with a loud sinewave at 46kHz. If you go to 48kHz sampling rate by throwing away every other sample, you should ideally end up with silence (the 46kHz signal can't be represented at that sampling rate)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Skunk
Eric Carroll;182701 Wrote: On top of it all, M$ bought the company with the patents for HDCD... Nothing at all the matter with this. Had sony bought it do you think it would still exist? They didn't change the spec, and allow it in non drm devices. Seems like win/win to me. -- Skunk

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Nikhil
Thanks for being so patient with this ... I am a bit confused myself, because when I first did this, I was on WMP10, and now on WMP11 thinsgs are a bit different. But if you bear with me, we can try to work through this logically. Simple answer first: the HDCD logo appears on the bottom left of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Phil Leigh
Nikhil;182788 Wrote: Thanks for being so patient with this ... I am a bit confused myself, because when I first did this, I was on WMP10, and now on WMP11 thinsgs are a bit different. But if you bear with me, we can try to work through this logically. Simple answer first: the HDCD logo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-23 Thread regalma1
I am an objectivist. There, I admit it. But I am still open minded. Just ask my Physicist brother-in-law who I drive nuts with my alternative explanations of things. The Stereophile article is very convincing. Something seems to happen with CDs that classic digital theory doesn't seem to explain.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Nikhil
Phil Leigh;182792 Wrote: and now I have some WAV files!... So are these 24 bit or 16 bit wav files? perhaps u do need a 24 bit sound card for this to work ... i'm on a different computer now than what I was when I tried this originally - I can't recall the hardware on that computer. --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Phil Leigh
Nikhil;182798 Wrote: So are these 24 bit or 16 bit wav files? perhaps u do need a 24 bit sound card for this to work ... i'm on a different computer now than what I was when I tried this originally - I can't recall the hardware on that computer. From what I have just learnt, if you turn OFF

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Nikhil
Phil Leigh;182804 Wrote: From what I have just learnt, if you turn OFF the 24-bit speaker setting you get the HDCD logo but 16 bit wavs... IF you turn ON the 24-bit setting you get no logo but 24 bit wavs! Any idea how to convert these wavs to 24-bit flacs? - I just tried my normal method

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Phil Leigh
Nikhil;182807 Wrote: Phil, I'm seeing the same thing. So what needs to be determined now is whether the actual additional HDCD data is being recovered in this 'Logo:OFF' but 24 bit wav output state. I guess we need to take a non HDCD track and output it under the same conditions. Then

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SACD and DVD-A recordings?

2007-02-23 Thread CarlOtto
Ripping SACD's can be done but has a couple of major drawbacks: 1) It takes expensive equipment (see below) 2) It takes a lot-of-hard-disk-space!!! 3) It is difficult to play the high resolution music. Slimserver/Squeezebox/Transporter etc can't do it, you need other players. Even so, you may

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] TP: Upsample any source up to 96 kHz in slimserver?

2007-02-23 Thread CarlOtto
I got hold of a second hand upsampler about a year ago, a dCS Purcell. I was using that between my SB3 and my DAC (another dCS thing). Initially, I had only the SB3 + the DAC and I did notice a large improvement when adding the upsampler in between. Things I noticed in particular was: Well

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Do you use WAV or FLAC ? Pros vs Cons.....Please :-)

2007-02-23 Thread Deaf Cat
Wonderfull Stuff :) SOLD - I'll remain in FLAC :) I often have drop outs around 1300hrs and 1500hrs when working from home, and guess streaming WAV's would not help :) The odd time I do use something that does not understand FLAC files, the odd FLAC is just decoded back to WAV and into what is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Safe Resampling

2007-02-23 Thread ezkcdude
jt25741;182783 Wrote: I make no claims to being a digital engineer - or understanding everything transpired in this thread. What I do trust is that I hear real differences in sample rate converter algorithms.What has been perplexing me most about this thread is the comments made that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SACD and DVD-A recordings?

2007-02-23 Thread kcl
CarlOtto -- Thanks for that great information! Yes, I've just about come to the conclusion that SACD and DVD-A is not reasonably doable. I did find that Linn Records has a number of Studio Quality downloadable music. I think I'm going to give that a try, as well as see how the CD layer of SACDs

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SACD and DVD-A recordings?

2007-02-23 Thread MahlerFreak
I have been using a player modified by these folks: http://dvdupgrades.ch/digital_audio.html for a couple of years now to convert SACD to 24bit 88.2 Khz PCM for input into my Meridian system (which doesn't have DSD digital input). It outputs 24/96 from DVD-Audio, too. I haven't tried to use

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Phil Leigh
Well I'm really confused now! I can get 24-bit wavs from the plugin. They will play fine in MP but NOT on the SB? Switch won't touch them - says it needs a codec but MP disagrees. I converted to flac and they play on the SB OK I've just compared a track ripped with EAC and with MP 24 bit (and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC for SB

2007-02-23 Thread zzvelik
Ben, I've thought of repacing the existing receptacles with Cu/Au Furutech outlets, but wonder if I'll notice any difference in my system. I'd like to ask how old your house is just to get an idea if I should consider replacing my wires as well. TIA, Z Ben Diss;181175 Wrote: The single

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech and Squeezebox

2007-02-23 Thread Phil Leigh
Skunk;182630 Wrote: I'd vote for it, well windows licensed HDCD support anyway :-) Hear Hear! -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interconnect recommendations

2007-02-23 Thread slimkid
325xi;182780 Wrote: I'm wondering how do you know they're of high quality? They don't offer much details, not even LRC parameters. How can I find they are different from Radioshack stuff? I'm still not convinced cable geometry doesn't matter at all, and the plainest one will do - it just

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Eric Carroll
Phil Leigh;182804 Wrote: From what I have just learnt, if you turn OFF the 24-bit speaker setting you get the HDCD logo but 16 bit wavs... IF you turn ON the 24-bit setting you get no logo but 24 bit wavs! Any idea how to convert these wavs to 24-bit flacs? - I just tried my normal method

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Phil Leigh
Eric - I'd be very interested in what you find. I've managed to open the 24-bit wav in an editor and now I can see why it is so quiet...the peak level is 49% Clearly the 24-bit output from MP to the wavout is not being scaled, it's merely merely having 8 bits added to it...in the wrong way!

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Eric Carroll
Hmm. MS wouldn't let me go to WMP 10... Did you deinstall WMP and try reinstalling it clean? What application did you use to look at your HDCD waveforms? I will take a look at mine and see if I can confirm the extra range. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Phil Leigh
CD Wave Editor 1.93.3 I reckon you may be lucky if you can't go to 10 - it looks like it has some issues compared to 9... -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophiles on Wikipedia - LOL!

2007-02-23 Thread MikeWynneDub
Lovely movie, thanks. Funny, sweet and sad. -- MikeWynneDub MikeWynneDub's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7230 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32978

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Eric Carroll
I have read about problems from other users trying to use WMP 10, so this might be the issue. I know for sure WMP 11 does not work at all with HDCD. I never get a HDCD icon, no matter what I did. When I deinstalled WMP 11, I was left with WMP 9 already there. -- Eric Carroll

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-23 Thread Havoc
Tell your brother he has a sympatising physicist here that is also driven nuts by your lack of understanding of digital technology. -- Havoc Havoc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5064 View this

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter:XLR v RCA

2007-02-23 Thread tomjtx
I have always listened to my TP with XLR. I could never understand those that said the TP was a bit hard and or bright on the top end. I especially couldn't understand why anyone would prefer the Bolder mod .The Bolder was no smoother in the top but it was less resolving and it was veiled

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New SB3 review - Canadian!

2007-02-23 Thread nicketynick
I happened to bump into a forthcoming review from what looks like a fairly obscure Canadian hi-fi publication (apologies if any of the principals hang out here!) - see www.uhfmag.com - issue no. 79. There is a free preview that mentions a security problem, but doesn't provide the specifics

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records Studio Masters on Tp SB3

2007-02-23 Thread Veggen
Eric Carroll;182698 Wrote: Linn suggests downsampling to 44.1 then converting to FLAC, not upsampling to 96... I am working my way to trying that Well, it comes down to what will give the least degradation of the hi-rez format, and if you are actually able to hear the difference. Downsampling

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New SB3 review - Canadian!

2007-02-23 Thread alZmtbr
It had to do with keying in the WPA pass phrase BEFORE any security was in place. If anyone happened to be sniffing AT THAT EXACT TIME, then fer sure -- compromised. The next issue of UHFMag - out in a few weeks - will be testing their squeezebox with a presumeably linear PSU. What will (did)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread alZmtbr
Ripping with iTunes to lossless files also preserves the HDCD info. When I bought my CDP (ADCOM GCD-750) it was at the tail end of HDCD decoders being readily available, and since it had an external digital input - I thought, hey neat. Even tho, at that time I had nothing to plug into it, and no

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-23 Thread jhm731
GaryB;182654 Wrote: Humor me and do the test. I'd be especially interested to have the test done with the following device: http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/nanotech2/pro.html I can hook you up with someone in NYC who owns one. ---Gary I'm not in NYC, but I agree with the 6moons

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-23 Thread 325xi
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/nanotech2/pro.html This is a one hilarious article! You've made my day! Interesting if the guys who wrote it were just pretending, or they are indeed... such... ... ... I especially liked the idea of how CD sounded before and after the treatment. I was

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-23 Thread regalma1
Tell your brother he has a sympatising physicist here that is also driven nuts by your lack of understanding of digital technology. Brother-in-law, but really what is wrong with my understanding of digital technology? I am no expert, but I have been working with it since before the CD was

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Eric Carroll
Phil, I am getting some strange results on this. I can get to a 24 bit WAV file using WMP 9 and the plugin. Softsqueeze is not playing either WAV or FLAC file properly. And the FLAC version looks weird in Audacity. I upgraded to FLAC 1.1.4 so that may be confusing things, so let me re-rip

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Phil Leigh
Eric - I finally managed to get MP 9 installed! And have recreated a 24-bit wav using Wavout and the HDCD logo was on! However, the bad news is that the file still looks like the bottom 16 bits out of 24 - ie very quiet... -- Phil Leigh

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another powersupply for SB3

2007-02-23 Thread t2capa
I do have a SB3 running with an old (but excellent) electrocompaniet amplifier and Quad ELS57 loudpseakers. I've done FLAC of all my CD's and are about to start the same on my LP's. Sound is great, but are there improvements? I am using analogue out, since that is the only input on my amplifier.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread P Floding
Phil Leigh;182931 Wrote: Eric - I finally managed to get MP 9 installed! And have recreated a 24-bit wav using Wavout and the HDCD logo was on! However, the bad news is that the file still looks like the bottom 16 bits out of 24 - ie very quiet... If you do get 4 extra bits of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New SB3 review - Canadian!

2007-02-23 Thread snarlydwarf
alZmtbr;182900 Wrote: It had to do with keying in the WPA pass phrase BEFORE any security was in place. If anyone happened to be sniffing AT THAT EXACT TIME, then fer sure -- compromised. Actually, it was that the passphrase displayed on the screen if you went back to review settings.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Eric Carroll
I have HDCD decoded into 24 bit WAV format now. I can play it with Audacity, WINAMP and WMP 9. I cannot play it with Media Monkey. So problem one down - I use mediamonkey by default and it doesn't like the 24 bit file in WAV format. Ok, next, what about before and after... So comparing 24b

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Super-Gonzo
Phil Leigh;182931 Wrote: Eric - I finally managed to get MP 9 installed! And have recreated a 24-bit wav using Wavout and the HDCD logo was on! However, the bad news is that the file still looks like the bottom 16 bits out of 24 - ie very quiet... I've tried this to. The WAV out

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Phil Leigh
Super-Gonzo;182945 Wrote: I've tried this to. The WAV out plugin may be writing a 24 bit file, but there is no data over the base 16 bits. Easy to tell once you compress to flac... as the flac files end up being very nearly the exact size of the original 16 bit rips. BTW, I have gotten

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread P Floding
Super-Gonzo;182945 Wrote: I've tried this to. The WAV out plugin may be writing a 24 bit file, but there is no data over the base 16 bits. Easy to tell once you compress to flac... as the flac files end up being very nearly the exact size of the original 16 bit rips. BTW, I have gotten

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Eric Carroll
P Floding;182941 Wrote: Have you been able to locate any peeks to see if they go above the 16 bits? I believe the answer is yes. I wish I could figure out the attachment upload here. But it really looks like I have lower average levels and higher peaks on the 24b WAV. -- Eric Carroll

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Super-Gonzo
P Floding;182947 Wrote: I suspect that that is not a good way to tell at all. The peaks going above 16 bits will be very short in time. It's not as if a HDCD is mastered hot with lots of peek level. How many bytes difference did you get? Can you load the file into a sound editor and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Phil Leigh
Eric - the 24-bit editor reports peak values of 49% on the 24 bit version (compared to 98% on the 16 bit version) Would that imply higher peaks? -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread P Floding
Eric Carroll;182948 Wrote: I believe the answer is yes. I wish I could figure out the attachment upload here. But it really looks like I have lower average levels and higher peaks on the 24b WAV. Well, it's working then! Looking back on your earlier post I see that you say you have LESS

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread P Floding
Super-Gonzo;182951 Wrote: I don't remember off the top of my head, this was a while ago. But the files were within 1kb of each other. Surely 20 bit data, even after compression, should have resulted in file sizes bigger than that? Hard to say. It's a compression algorithm after all. I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Super-Gonzo
Eric Carroll;182950 Wrote: You selected 24 bits on your soundcard? WMP11 never, not once, worked for me, no matter how long I waited. Yup. It was very strange. The logo would more or less decide to show up at random intervals into the first track. I wish Microsoft would just open this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Eric Carroll
Ok. FLAC encoding using 1.1.3 of 24b WAV will not play on Softsqueeze. When I look at it in Audacity its a mess of clipping. It audibly clipps on peaks. Its terrible. Winamp and MediaMoney both refuse to play the FLAC file. Error message is This plugin can only handle 8/16/24 bit samples.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Phil Leigh
Eric Carroll;182958 Wrote: Ok. FLAC encoding using 1.1.3 of 24b WAV will not play on Softsqueeze. When I look at it in Audacity its a mess of clipping. It audibly clipps on peaks. Its terrible. Winamp and MediaMoney both refuse to play the FLAC file. Error message is This plugin can

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Skunk
Eric Carroll;182950 Wrote: You selected 24 bits on your soundcard? WMP11 never, not once, worked for me, no matter how long I waited. Well I'm using win2k, and think only 9 is possible with that, but stumbled across instructions for rolling 11 back to 10, for drm reasons. There are details

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Eric Carroll
Phil Leigh;182961 Wrote: Eric - Flac 1.1.3 works fine for me on an SB3 - but Audacity can't handle the 24-bit FLAC Whoops. I have both versions of audacity loaded here. Let's make sure I am using the right one. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Phil Leigh
Eric Carroll;182963 Wrote: Whoops. I have both versions of audacity loaded here. Let's make sure I am using the right one. I'm using 1.2.6 -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Eric Carroll
The 24b WAV gets the same result on the SB3 and SSQ. The FLAC from the 24b WAV does not play at all on the SB3 or SSQ or Transporter. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-BW Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2 ReadyNAS NV+

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Eric Carroll
Skunk;182962 Wrote: Well I'm using win2k, and think only 9 is possible with that, but stumbled across instructions for rolling 11 back to 10, for drm reasons. There are details at the mS DL site. Sorry if already covered, but may be worth a try to those on xp. edit: There is also an

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Phil Leigh
Eric Carroll;182970 Wrote: Audacity 1.3 supports FLAC, 1.2 does not. I confirmed I had it loaded in 1.3 beta. As I said, its a mess. Its audibly clipping all over the place, and will not play on SSQ, SB3 or Tp. This is really weird. You're telling me! What I can't quite my head around

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-23 Thread opaqueice
GaryB;182654 Wrote: Humor me and do the test. I'd be especially interested to have the test done with the following device: http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/nanotech2/pro.html I can hook you up with someone in NYC who owns one. ---Gary But what would you like me to test, exactly?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Eric Carroll
Super-Gonzo;182949 Wrote: Be wary, there is apparently more than one way to store 24 bits in a wav file. I am starting to wonder if this has something to do with it... if the WMP plugin is not correctly tagging the output WAV, then both SB3 and FLAC might mess it up. Audacity reports the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread P Floding
Phil Leigh;182972 Wrote: You're telling me! What I can't quite my head around is that the 16-bit is peaking at 98% but the 24bit is at 49% - now if it was 49% at 32-bit... I am probably at my limit of understanding now... 8 more bits gives the ability to have a 256 _times_ higher signal!

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Phil Leigh
P Floding;182974 Wrote: 8 more bits gives the ability to have a 256 _times_ higher signal! Well no not really...the max level is fixed at 0dB. -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Eric Carroll
Ok I downloaded dbPowerAmp music converter. I converted the 24b WAVEX file and I got a DIFFERENT result... much worse too. It sounds very similar to playing it on the SB3 sounds. Something is fishy here with the format on the WAVEX file. I need a hex editor or something that can read the struct

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-23 Thread Phil Leigh
opaqueice;182976 Wrote: But what would you like me to test, exactly? Whether I still get a perfect rip? Or whether the two perfect rips sound different? Oh for goodness sake - bits are bits - somebody do the test please! -- Phil Leigh

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Mark Lanctot
325xi;182339 Wrote: HDCD is a deviation of Red Book - are you sure normal DAE (to wav files) using regular optical drive will pick those bits in a form that can be decoded later on pc? Haven't had time to go through the entire thread, but it looks like this wasn't covered. EAC-to-FLAC

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-23 Thread regalma1
Rip it to a USB flash drive in WAV or lossless compresion (no mechanical parts to complicate things). Then treat the disk and rip again, in the exact same way to the same drive. If you rip 20 minutes each time and you leave it in .WAV you'll need at least a 1GB drive. A 2GB if you do the whole

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-23 Thread andyg
One word: 'md5sum' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Md5sum) (or sha1sum). You don't even need to listen to the file. Case closed. :) -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interconnect recommendations

2007-02-23 Thread empty99
I used coax RG-59 terminated with good gold plated soldered RCA plugs, make them as short as possible and save your money for more music purchases! SB3-MF A3.24-50Kohm Alps pot-2 Nak PA7s-BW N802-Nice! -- empty99

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Nikhil
wow .. this thread has certainly been busy 37 new posts overnight !!! Reading through all the posts, I still haven't been able to decipher whether the additional HDCD data is being recovered during this conversion to a 24 bit wav. Has anyone tried to convert a non-HDCD track, and compared

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Eric Carroll
I am pretty close to stumped on this one. I have a 24b WAV file output from the WAV plugin in WMP9. I do have the HDCD icon on. The 24b WAV is playable on some but not all players. It is mostly noise when played on SSQ/SB3/Tp. FLAC encoding fails, resulting in either a badly clipped FLAC file,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interconnect recommendations

2007-02-23 Thread tyler_durden
Anything is fine, the shorter the better. TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32988

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another powersupply for SB3

2007-02-23 Thread tyler_durden
Your laptop PS is a switching supply just like the one that comes with the SB. Hanging a zener diode on it won't change the fact that it's a switcher. It will take a big zener diode, and it will give very poor regulation. You can buy a 5V linear regulated power supply for about $10 -that is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-23 Thread 325xi
andyg;183001 Wrote: One word: 'md5sum' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Md5sum) (or sha1sum). You don't even need to listen to the file. Case closed. :) Oh, no. The goal of this test is to prove that two totally identical rips can sound different. I think in this case MD5 can't prove anything.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] CD Treatments?

2007-02-23 Thread Pat Farrell
325xi wrote: andyg;183001 Wrote: One word: 'md5sum' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Md5sum) (or sha1sum). You don't even need to listen to the file. Case closed. :) Oh, no. The goal of this test is to prove that two totally identical rips can sound different. I think in this case MD5 can't

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Eric Carroll
I reripped my HDCD again, and I have now both 16b and 24b WAV file formats. The 16b WAV came from EAC. It is a pure WAV file. Audacity claims it is WAV (Microsoft) on import. The 24 bit file came from the chronoton plugin on WMP9. Audacity claims it is WAVEX (Microsoft) on import. Looking at

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interconnect recommendations

2007-02-23 Thread bobschneider
Buy your cables where the pros do. Real engineering, great quality and selection, very sensible pricing. Canare and Belden cabling, Neutrik connectors. RCAs, XLRs, phone plugs, toslink, etc, etc. I use these cables in my own system, and are very happy with them.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Eric Carroll
Well, finally. Holy cow. I can now get the 24b WAVEX file into FLAC and have it play on SSQ. So here is the trick: you have to force FLAC into 24 bit mode. What I did was the following: - WMP9 with chronoton WAV output plugin - tools / options / Devices / Properties / Use 24 bit audio -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)

2007-02-23 Thread beernutz
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Do you use WAV or FLAC ? Pros vs Cons.....Please :-)

2007-02-23 Thread JohnSwenson
A month or so ago I did a test on this, I took some tracks ripped to wav and converted to FLAC. I tried all the combinations, wav file wave stream, wave file, FLAC stream etc. The results were that I could definately hear a degradation in sound when streaming FLAC, whether it was a FLAC file or

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Records Studio Masters on Tp SB3

2007-02-23 Thread Eric Carroll
While beating my head against the 'HDCD ripping problem' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32967) I got all the tools needed to test the Linn test file. dbpoweramp shows that the test file is in fact a 88.2/24b file. I did the following: - Importing WAVEX format to audacity - set

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HDCD ripping

2007-02-23 Thread Nikhil
Eric Carroll;183023 Wrote: Well, I can now get a confirmed 44.1 24b FLAC file that will play on Audacity and WinAMP. This results in a confirmed 24b 44.1KHz FLAC file using the dbpoweramp Windows Explorer plugin that tells you the file structure when you mouse over the file (very

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