[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Forgive me, but I'm not sure of your point in posting this with the subject More Lies - who are you accusing of lying? The Bush Administration or Howard Dean?
No, forgive me, poor choice of titles. The Bushes are, of coarse, the
devious ones.
Doug
From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ancient precursors aren't exactly a new idea in SF. Sounds more like a
ripoff of Star Control II/SC III anyway.
Of course, since Star Control II was a *GREAT* game, at least they're
borrowing from the best. :)
Star Control 2 is one of the best games I've
William T Goodall wrote:
On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 11:23 pm, Jon Gabriel wrote:
It is impossible to prove that God either exists or does not exist
somewhere, anywhere in the universe with the exception of anecdotal
examples. Therefore, both belief *and* nonbelief in God are the
result
At 02:14 PM 7/9/03 -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
The full paragraph from the press release reads:
In Advent Rising, a common legend pervades the galaxy
- that of a powerful, ancient race that will one day
unite the universe. Millions of cultures from vastly
distant worlds revere and hallow these
At 09:33 PM 7/9/03 -0500, The Fool wrote:
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns3916
Nanotechnology may create new organs
Oh. When I read the subject line, I wondered if it was about growing a
built-in printer.
Though I shudder to contemplate where the paper would come out . . .
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 01:03:14PM +1000, Ray Ludenia wrote:
And once again, we have a winner! Congratulations!
Which one? Which won?
--
Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/
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On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 06:24:21PM -0500, Reggie Bautista wrote:
It's just not evidence that lends itself easily to scientific study.
And is therefore very poor information, not really evidence at all,
just anecdotes. One of the most important things about science is that
anyone, anytime who
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 09:11:22PM -0400, David Hobby wrote:
Robert J. Chassell wrote:
We may have interpreted the configuration differently. I interpreted
C as meaning a torus, or donut, or `like the inner tube of a tire'.
Agreed.
The short columns must have the same
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 11:29:54PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does it change anyone's perspective recalling that as many people
believe in aliens/intelligent life (or some such), as believe in
religion?
It doesn't change mine. I don't believe in intelligent life. I think
there is a good
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Ronn!Blankenship
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 4:20 AM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: Update
At 02:14 PM 7/9/03 -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
The full paragraph from the press release reads:
In Advent Rising, a common
---Original Message---
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Saying that
for hundreds or thousands of years, no one has publicized a repeatable
experiment demonstrating the existence of some god, therefore, for all
practical purposes, god does not exist
seems much closer to a
---Original Message---
From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is impossible to prove that God ...exists... with the exception of anecdotal
examples.
Why does belief in anecdotal examples constitute faith? Is there some kind of
critical mass of anecdotal examples that constitutes
---Original Message---
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Maybe they weren't paying attention either?
I certainly stopped paying serious attention to you a long time ago, when you
demonstrated your incapacity for civility and seriousness.
Perhaps if you demonstrated such
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 05:50:47AM -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote:
---Original Message--- From: Erik Reuter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Saying that
for hundreds or thousands of years, no one has publicized a
repeatable experiment demonstrating the existence of some god,
therefore, for all
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 05:53:46AM -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote:
---Original Message--- From: Jon Gabriel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] It is impossible to prove that God
...exists... with the exception of anecdotal examples.
Why does belief in anecdotal examples constitute faith? Is there
---Original Message---
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Until someone can produce some convincing evidence (a specimen isn't necessary) then
god(s) don't exist.
Unforunately Wllliam, you aren't the final arbiter for humanity on the definition of
convincing.
To use just one
--- Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course, since Star Control II was a *GREAT* game,
at least they're borrowing from the best. :)
Jim
Ah, Star Control 2. I think that might still be my
all-time favorite game. That was a fun one. If there
was anything like that out there right
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Julia Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:18 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: test
Deborah Harrell wrote:
Ping?
Pong. I'm waiting to hear from Nick as to just what happened there.
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 06:02:02AM -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote:
To use just one example, some 70% of Americans seem to have found the
evidence convincing - as has a significant supermajority of the entire
worlds population...
No, many of them believe different, contradictory things.
--
Erik Reuter wrote:
On Tue, Jul 08, 2003 at 11:07:22PM -0500, Steve Sloan II wrote:
I would be very interested to know how much of those ratings came from
Stargate (their last surviving serious SF show), how much came from
Tremors (mediocre, occasionally cute, but not evil), and how much
On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 12:24 am, Reggie Bautista wrote:
As was discussed in another branch of this thread, many people *do*
feel they have evidence of the divine, in the form of numinous
experiences and apparitions and what some people see as a guiding hand
in their life, etc. It's
From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, that's one way that some people have fun.
And some people can't understand why I still play RPGs at my age. Different
people have fun in different ways, huh?
But, I must also point out, this is the only list I'm currently
subscribed to
From: Reggie Bautista [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
John Horn replied:
rant mode
Does anyone else *HATE* these sorts of discussions as much
as I do? They
are so unbelievably pointless!
John, I have to respectfully disagree with you.
And you are certainly allowed to. (Unlike in the
From: Bryon Daly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I agree with Reggie, for pretty much the same reasons. I
don't think that
casting a novel is all that much more pointless than, say,
discussing
how Glorfindel, killed in the Silmarillion, is alive and well
to assist Frodo et al
on the way to
It's wholesome, bright, and unpolluted by advertising tie-in gimmicks; it
promotes literacy, and my children benefit from it enormously, so it's only
natural that the PBS show Reading Rainbow is about to lose its signature
butterfly wings due to a lack of funding.
I know that this list was originally started as a list dedicated to
discussion of specific authors and their books, so I thought I would bring
up a topic that is closer to being actually on topic in the little time that
I have to compose email today (at least part of the reason that I haven't
From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Bryon Daly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
You mean you can actually see the art on those itty-bitty CD cases? Give
me
a full-size LP for cover art anyday. Of course, not too many of those
left...
I especially miss the novelty LP album covers (like my
Nick Arnett wrote:
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Julia Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:18 PM
To: Killer Bs Discussion
Subject: Re: test
Deborah Harrell wrote:
Ping?
Pong. I'm waiting to hear from Nick
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 11:29:54PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does it change anyone's perspective recalling that as many people
believe in aliens/intelligent life (or some such), as believe in
religion?
It doesn't change mine. I don't believe in
At 06:34 2003-07-10 -0700, Nick wrote:
Believe me, I would have noticed -- we're on a very short deadline...
announcement to follow in the next three hours.
Nick
Nice way to pique my curiosity, Nick.
Should I put some bubbly in the refrigerator?
Jean-Louis
Michael Harney wrote:
I know that this list was originally started as a list dedicated to
discussion of specific authors and their books, so I thought I would bring
up a topic that is closer to being actually on topic in the little time that
I have to compose email today (at least part of
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 11:20:29AM -0600, Michael Harney wrote:
On the topic of _/_ by Greg Bear, I may start another thread later
about that book, but I wanted to ask, for those who have read more
of Greg Bear's books if _/_ represented a One of Greg Bear's better
books, was on par with most
Not really a direct reply, but I'm currently reading
_The Mote Arround Mucheson's Eye_
(yes, the sequel to _A Mote in god's Eye_)
and
_Shadow Puppets_
(OSC - third in the _Shadow_ saga)
Andy
Dawn Falcon
___
On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 10:57 am, John D. Giorgis wrote:
I certainly stopped paying serious attention to you a long time ago,
when you demonstrated your incapacity for civility and seriousness.
Perhaps if you demonstrated such capacity, people might pay attention
to you. But as Julia
From: Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I wanted to ask those who have read some/many of the Pern novels a
question.
I have only read _Dragonseye_ and _The Dolphins of Pern_. The question I
have is: Are the events in some of the other pern books more epic? Let me
elaborate for clarity. I
Sometime in the past few minutes, Mitch Kapor, in his keynote at O'Reilly's
Open Source conference in Portland announced my company's latest piece of
work, which you can visit at http://www.opensector.org. It's a web site
focused on public sector open software initiatives. This has been a bit of
From: Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
_The Mote Arround Mucheson's Eye_
(yes, the sequel to _A Mote in god's Eye_)
Hmmm. I thought the sequel to The Mote In God's Eye was The Gripping Hand.
Perhaps they titled the book differently in Europe?
From: Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On the topic of _/_ by Greg Bear, I may start another thread later about
that book, but I wanted to ask, for those who have read more of Greg
Bear's
books if _/_ represented a One of Greg Bear's better books, was on
On 10 Jul 2003 at 13:55, Bryon Daly wrote:
From: Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
_The Mote Arround Mucheson's Eye_
(yes, the sequel to _A Mote in god's Eye_)
Hmmm. I thought the sequel to The Mote In God's Eye was The Gripping
Hand. Perhaps they titled the book differently in Europe?
Erik wrote:
I'd recommend _Moving Mars_ and _Blood Music_ as his best
novels.
I haven't read _Moving Mars_, but I agree that _Blood Music_ is one of
Bear's best. In fact, right now it's my favorite novel by any of the Killer
B's.
Reggie Bautista
Julia wrote:
Let's see if I can remember order of publication:
Dragonflight
Dragonquest
The White Dragon
Moreta
Dragonsdawn
Nerilka's Story
I think _Nerilka's Story was before Dragonsdawn, and at least two of the
HarperHall books were before The White Dragon if I'm not mistaken... The
first
John Horn wrote:
Give me
a full-size LP for cover art anyday. Of course, not too many of those
left...
Bryon Daley replied:
I especially miss the novelty LP album covers (like my original Led
Zeppelin III cover with the picture wheel in it) and the double albums with
I especially miss the novelty LP album covers (like my original Led Zeppelin
III cover with the picture wheel in it) and the double albums with
suitable-for-hanging-in-your-dorm-room trippy artwork inside. It's a real
shame: the death of the LP and the small size of CD and tape covers seem to
Michael Harney wrote:
I wanted to ask those who have read some/many of the Pern novels a
question.
I have only read _Dragonseye_ and _The Dolphins of Pern_. The question I
have is: Are the events in some of the other pern books more epic? Let me
elaborate for clarity. I liked the books, but I
On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 11:02 am, John D. Giorgis wrote:
---Original Message---
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Until someone can produce some convincing evidence (a specimen isn't
necessary) then god(s) don't exist.
Unforunately Wllliam, you aren't the final arbiter
In a message dated 7/10/2003 12:27:17 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I miss the cover of Monty Python's Matching Tie and Handkerchief (if
you've
seen it, you know what I mean). Actually, I miss Matching Tie and
Handkerchief. Well, I own the LP, but if you've heard
On 10 Jul 2003 at 14:47, Reggie Bautista wrote:
Michael Harney wrote:
I wanted to ask those who have read some/many of the Pern novels a
question. I have only read _Dragonseye_ and _The Dolphins of Pern_.
The question I have is: Are the events in some of the other pern
books more epic?
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: On the topic of atheism.
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 08:59:35 -0400
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 05:50:47AM -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote:
---Original
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: On the topic of atheism.
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:28:26 +0100
On Thursday, July 10, 2003, at 12:24 am, Reggie Bautista wrote:
As was discussed in
The British edition was better than what us herms got. The cover slipped out
to reveal the hanged man. It didn't for the US edition.
Yes it did. At least, mine did. Unless I somehow managed to buy the British edition in
a US store.
--
Tom Beck
www.prydonians.org
www.mercerjewishsingles.org
Donald Savage
Headquarters, Washington
(Phone: 202/358-1547) July 10, 2003
Nancy Neal
Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md.
(Phone: 301/286-0039)
Ray Villard
Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore
(Phone: 410/338-4514)
RELEASE: 03-234
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From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: Re: On the topic of atheism.
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 05:53:46AM -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote:
---Original Message--- From:
I goofed in calculating the air pressures in Rama. I hope these
calculations are correct!
(mapconcat
'(lambda (h)
Calculate air pressures in a spinning space habitat
(format %f \n
(let ((e 2.718181828)
(R 8.0)) ; radius of
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From: Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: Why we cast novels
From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Bryon Daly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
You mean you can actually see the art on those
Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 10 Jul 2003 at 14:47, Reggie Bautista wrote:
Michael Harney wrote:
I wanted to ask those who have read some/many of the Pern novels a
question. I have only read _Dragonseye_ and _The Dolphins of Pern_.
The question I have is: Are the events in some of the
Bryon Daly wrote:
I especially miss the novelty LP album covers (like my original Led
Zeppelin III cover with the picture wheel in it) and the double albums
with suitable-for-hanging-in-your-dorm-room trippy artwork inside.
It's a real shame: the death of the LP and the small size of CD and
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Brin-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: more on printing organs
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 03:26:27 -0500
At 09:33 PM 7/9/03 -0500, The Fool wrote:
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns3916
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: Why we cast novels
The British edition was better than what us herms got. The cover slipped
out
to reveal the hanged man. It didn't for the US
Bryon Daly wrote:
I especially miss the novelty LP album covers (like my original Led
Zeppelin III cover with the picture wheel in it) and the double albums
with suitable-for-hanging-in-your-dorm-room trippy artwork inside.
It's a real shame: the death of the LP and the small size of CD and
- Original Message -
From: Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: Why we cast novels
Bryon Daly wrote:
I especially miss the novelty LP album covers (like my original Led
Zeppelin III cover
- Original Message -
From: Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Brin-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 12:20 PM
Subject: Reading lists.
I know that this list was originally started as a list dedicated to
discussion of specific authors and their books, so I thought I
On 10 Jul 2003 at 18:01, Julia Thompson wrote:
Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 10 Jul 2003 at 14:47, Reggie Bautista wrote:
Michael Harney wrote:
I wanted to ask those who have read some/many of the Pern novels
a question. I have only read _Dragonseye_ and _The Dolphins of
Pern_.
In a message dated 7/10/2003 4:14:55 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The British edition was better than what us herms got. The cover slipped
out
to reveal the hanged man. It didn't for the US edition.
Yes it did. At least, mine did. Unless I somehow managed
Robert Seeberger wrote:
Erik, could you give me a brief rundown on the repeatable experiments
performed in the past that tried to prove or disprove the existence of
deities or Deity. I'd also like to hear your opinion on the qualities that
would make or not make them good science.
And while
William T Goodall wrote:
What does the coelacanth is extinct mean?
And what did it mean 100 years ago?
Exactly! You seem to have grasped the point.
Until someone can produce some convincing evidence (a specimen isn't
necessary)
But it would be helpful!
8^)
then god(s) don't exist.
Doug
Except that Koufax pitched in Dodger Stadium, off a
20 mound (the mound in Dodger Stadium was illegally
high) in an era when the _batting title winner_ hit
.301 in the American League, and the HR high was in
the low 30s, IIRC. Pedro puts up ERAs similar to
Koufax's when the batting title
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course, since Star Control II was a *GREAT* game, at least
they're borrowing from the best. :)
Ah, Star Control 2. I think that might still be my all-time
favorite game. That was a fun one. If there was anything like
that
Erik Reuter wrote:
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 11:20:29AM -0600, Michael Harney wrote:
On the topic of _/_ by Greg Bear, I may start another thread later
about that book, but I wanted to ask, for those who have read more
of Greg Bear's books if _/_ represented a One of Greg Bear's better
books, was
Bryon Daly wrote:
From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Of course, since Star Control II was a *GREAT* game, at least
they're borrowing from the best. :)
Star Control 2 is one of the best games I've ever played. I still
occasionally listen to some mp3's of the music from it!
Oooh, where'd you
Koufax continued.
Koufax pitched 397 games; he completed 137 and had 40 shut outs (11 in 63 got that 11
shutouts in one year, 7 in 64 and 8 in 65).
Koufax pitched 7 ws games. He was 4 and 3 (4 and 2 from 63 on). His ERA was .97. In
63 the Dodgers swept the Yankess a team that won the AL by
part 3
Koufax was big and strong. He had enormous powerful hands. He could hold 6 balls in
one hand. He threw two pitches and never varied his release point. He threw fast ball
that batters swore sped up. This is of course impossible but what it did not do is
slow down (all others do). His
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
These numbers demonstate absolute dominance. The
counter arguement that he did this in a week hitting
era does not prove that he would not have done it in
any era. After all ERA is a statistic that has a
lower theoretical limit (it cannot be less than 0)
and a
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As to Gautam's list. He lists Pedro, Maddux (who has
really done well in post season) Clemons and Seaver.
Thus the 4 greatest picthers have all pitched in the
past 20 years and three are active simultaneously.
What are the odds of that? Baseball has been around
Erik Reuter wrote:
...
The same as in case 1.
Yes, I agree.
P/P0 = exp[ - ( h / R )^2 / 3.45 ]
Since h/R = 1/5 = 0.2, P/P0 = 0.988
(Although a pressure of .988 bar seems a bit high--a kilometer of
height makes a much larger pressure difference on Earth.)
As I said
From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bryon Daly wrote:
From: Jim Sharkey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Of course, since Star Control II was a *GREAT* game, at least
they're borrowing from the best. :)
Star Control 2 is one of the best games I've ever played. I still
occasionally listen to some mp3's of the
From: Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Aha yes, the European name for _Dragonseye_ is _Red Star Rising_. I
prefer the European name, again (heh). Then again, most UK printing's
cover art tends to be well...not as good.
For the Harry Potter books, I like the UK cover art better, at least judging
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I especially miss the novelty LP album covers (like my original Led
Zeppelin
III cover with the picture wheel in it) and the double albums with
suitable-for-hanging-in-your-dorm-room trippy artwork inside. It's a
From: Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Must have cost a fortune to produce compared to a simple card sleeve. I had
a Led Zeppelin album which had about 4 covers between you and the vinyl,
and my personal favourite - Led Zeppelin's In Through The Out Door - the
cover was a bland sepia look,
Bryon Daly wrote:
I actually have the majority of the SC2 music in .mod format, which
is actually their original format.
Anyway, I have a zip file with 34 .mods from SC2 - it's about 1.9MB.
So if your interested, I can email the file to you (and anyone else
who's interested). Also, Winamp
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