Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-26 Thread Robert J. Chassell
http://www.carm.org/dictionary/dic_c-d.htm#Consubstatiation * transubstantiation: The theory accepted by Catholicism, that in the Lord's Supper, the elements are transformed into the actual body and blood of Jesus. However, there is no perceptible or measurable change in the

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/25/2003 1:05:34 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ISHIRTA? Doug I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again, BBC radio programme, where John Cleese got his start performing, and Eric Idle was a writer. Is this the launch that faced a thousand ships? The

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-25 Thread Matt Grimaldi
Nick wrote: You (plural) don't believe that Jesus is fully human? Reggie Bautista wrote: To further muddy matters, some Catholics use the term Christian as short-hand for Fundamentalist Christian. I've only heard that from the other direction, as in I'm not Catholic, I'm Christian. and

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-25 Thread Horn, John
From: Deborah Harrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] AFAIK, nearly all other Protestant denominations focus on Communion more as remembrance of me [Jesus], rather than any actual change or spiritual presence in the bread and wine (or, as in one church I attended with a friend, some type of

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-24 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists One very interesting

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-24 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Doug Pensinger Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 9:44 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists Nick Arnett wrote: God certainly was clever to invent

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-24 Thread Ray Ludenia
Reggie Bautista wrote: The primary differences between Catholics and Fundamentalists, as I see it, are what one believes about whether the Bible is to be interpreted literally, and whether the Bible is the only viable source for spiritual info. (By the way, you could probably find lots of

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-24 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 1:45 AM Subject: Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists --- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jan

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-24 Thread Julia Thompson
Matt Grimaldi wrote: On Behalf Of Robert Seeberger: The meme that claims the Bible as the only source of christian truth is a protestant myth that totally ignores the truth of the Bibles origins. Jon Gabriel wrote: I have a number of Baptist (bible-literalist) and

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-24 Thread Doug Pensinger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/23/2003 9:45:25 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nick Arnett wrote: God certainly was clever to invent evolution. Hmm... I think it is fascinating how evolution has created God. 8^) Doug Hmmm.. 8^) instead of

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Reggie Bautista ... rob wrote: Mary and the other saints are a lot like union stewards. They can get things done for you. G It's quite a different meme than the ones that are found in most protestant

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John D. Giorgis ... Exactly. Jesus, is of course a great choice to pray to, since he is, after all the source. But, since Jesus has that whole divinity thing about him, Mary - who is fully human - is

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Jean-Louis Couturier
At 10:39 2003-06-21 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: In the One True ChurchG Mary is not deified, but being the Mother Of God she sits close at the right hand of God in heaven and has influence as an Advocate. What this clearly shows is the influence of the fuedal (for lack of a better word) society

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Jean-Louis Couturier
At 14:06 2003-06-22 -0500, Ronn! wrote: At 12:55 PM 6/22/03 -0500, Reggie Bautista wrote: Ronn! wrote: One question which might be asked here is why does anyone need someone else to pray for them? IOW, why is it necessary for a Catholic to pray to Mary and ask her to pray to God for them? Why

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Jean-Louis Couturier
At 07:31 2003-06-23 -0700, Nick wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Reggie Bautista ... rob wrote: Mary and the other saints are a lot like union stewards. They can get things done for you. G It's quite a different meme than the

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 03:55 PM 6/23/03 -0400, Jean-Louis Couturier wrote: At 07:31 2003-06-23 -0700, Nick wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Reggie Bautista ... rob wrote: Mary and the other saints are a lot like union stewards. They can get things

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 3:04 PM Subject: RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists Is there a belief, either official or unofficial, that they cannot get

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Jean-Louis Couturier
At 15:04 2003-06-23 -0500, Ronn! wrote: Is there a belief, either official or unofficial, that they cannot get into heaven without that process? -- Ronn! :) No. There is a belief, however, that it may make things easier. God is the final Judge, but he may, in His wisdom, take in account the

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Reggie Bautista
Nick wrote: You (plural) don't believe that Jesus is fully human? I could be wrong since my beliefs have moved somewhat away from mainstream Catholic thought, but I believe the official Catholic party line is that Jesus was both fully human and fully divine, just as the eucharist is both fully

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Julia Thompson
Reggie Bautista wrote: Nick wrote: You (plural) don't believe that Jesus is fully human? I could be wrong since my beliefs have moved somewhat away from mainstream Catholic thought, but I believe the official Catholic party line is that Jesus was both fully human and fully divine, just as

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reggie Bautista wrote: Nick wrote: You (plural) don't believe that Jesus is fully human? I could be wrong since my beliefs have moved somewhat away from mainstream Catholic thought, but I believe the official Catholic party line is that

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Reggie Bautista ... Nick wrote: You (plural) don't believe that Jesus is fully human? I could be wrong since my beliefs have moved somewhat away from mainstream Catholic thought, but I believe the

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 11:04 AM Subject: RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists Given, however, that the Catholic Church predates the Bible by several

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ~~Now, if you wished to argue that the covenent communities came before scripture, then you would have my...and most biblical scholars' support. But, that is a seperate question from which came first: the Catholic church or the bible.~~ Thanks for

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 6:48 PM Subject: Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists - Original Message - From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists Not being argumentative, but making assumptions based on what I remember being

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists - Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists One very interesting interpritation I have come across ( and give a lot

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists OK... So they have these lists of Popes that span 2000 years, with dates

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reggie Bautista wrote: Nick wrote: You (plural) don't believe that Jesus is fully human? I could be wrong since my beliefs have moved somewhat away from mainstream Catholic thought, but I believe the official Catholic party line is that

Re: Catholicism Re: James ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 08:44 PM 6/23/03 -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote: I forgot to include the URL for transubstantiation, so here it is: http://www.carm.org/dictionary/dic_t.htm#Transubstantiation I'm afraid to click on it . . . -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Doug Pensinger
Nick Arnett wrote: God certainly was clever to invent evolution. Hmm... I think it is fascinating how evolution has created God. 8^) Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Matt Grimaldi
On Behalf Of Robert Seeberger: The meme that claims the Bible as the only source of christian truth is a protestant myth that totally ignores the truth of the Bibles origins. Jon Gabriel wrote: I have a number of Baptist (bible-literalist) and Protestant friends who would just

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-23 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/23/2003 9:45:25 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nick Arnett wrote: God certainly was clever to invent evolution. Hmm... I think it is fascinating how evolution has created God. 8^) Doug Hmmm.. 8^) instead of :-)

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-22 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 06:58:55PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: If history were common knowledge, it would put Literalism into doubt. A lot of fundementalists seem to think the Bible was handed down by God complete and unabridged as if somewhere out in the world there exists a copy of the

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-22 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 4:29 AM Subject: Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 06:58:55PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: If history were

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-22 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 06:58 PM 6/21/2003 -0500 Robert Seeberger wrote: My father is dead and I talk to him in my prayers. Does this mean that I accord my father the same status as God? I pray to the saints for intercession. Does this make them gods? Doctrine says no, but also implies that praying to dead people may

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-22 Thread John D. Giorgis
I guess I shouldn't have assumed this, but I do believe the rosary is one of the most important parts of Catholic ritual, and that's why I mentioned it. I would say an important, rather than most important.For example, it is possible to be a good Catholic, and never say the rosary - unlike,

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-22 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 12:29 PM 6/22/03 -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote: At 06:58 PM 6/21/2003 -0500 Robert Seeberger wrote: My father is dead and I talk to him in my prayers. Does this mean that I accord my father the same status as God? I pray to the saints for intercession. Does this make them gods? Doctrine says no,

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-22 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 11:47 AM 6/22/2003 -0500 Ronn!Blankenship wrote: We may be talking different languages here, but I'm still trying to understand why (if I'm understanding correctly at all) Catholics would _need_ to have Mary pray for them? Does the Catholic church teach that ordinary people do not have

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-22 Thread Reggie Bautista
Someone wrote (sorry, it's sometimes hard to keep track of attributions) IIRC, at least two ex-girlfriends also recited the 'Hail Holy Queen'. I remember thinking it was a nice prayer and asked one of them to teach it to me. So is adding it in an accepted variation of the standard Rosary or were

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-22 Thread Reggie Bautista
rob wrote: Mary and the other saints are a lot like union stewards. They can get things done for you. G It's quite a different meme than the ones that are found in most protestant sects, but it has been with the catholic church long before the protestant reformation. I would think that it has

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-22 Thread Reggie Bautista
Ronn! wrote: One question which might be asked here is why does anyone need someone else to pray for them? IOW, why is it necessary for a Catholic to pray to Mary and ask her to pray to God for them? Why cannot reason that person pray directly to God? (Serious question, not meant as any sort

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-22 Thread Reggie Bautista
I wrote: 2) The word used for brother can also mean cousin. So the siblings to which the bible refers are probably a combination of cousins and half-siblings from Joseph's first wife. Rich replied: Wouldn't those be step-siblings, Jesus' father being God and all? Technically, I suppose, yes :-)

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-22 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 12:55 PM 6/22/03 -0500, Reggie Bautista wrote: Ronn! wrote: One question which might be asked here is why does anyone need someone else to pray for them? IOW, why is it necessary for a Catholic to pray to Mary and ask her to pray to God for them? Why cannot reason that person pray directly

RE: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Seeberger ... And there is a name for people who think they have a stranglehold on the truth: How about fundamentalist? Nick ___

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 10:21:29PM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: You have singularly strong and specific religious beliefs for an atheist. It really throws your previous anti-religion postings into sharp relief. And perhaps into comic relief: A person who denies the existence of God and

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 10:31:32PM -0500, The Fool wrote: If somebody is going to spout a gibberish 'trvth' they had better be consistent. Most religious people aren't consistent. And their trvth is usually anti-intellectual, anti-science. A lot of the stuff you post sounds like gibberish

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 12:25:48AM -0700, Nick Arnett wrote: Behalf Of Robert Seeberger And there is a name for people who think they have a stranglehold on the truth: How about fundamentalist? And what do you call people who, together, have a stranglehold on the truth that they can bend

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John D. Giorgis Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:28 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists At 10:04 PM 6/20/2003 -0500 The Fool wrote: No I just think catholics are hyprocritical

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Julia Thompson
Nick Arnett wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Seeberger ... And there is a name for people who think they have a stranglehold on the truth: How about fundamentalist? Fundamentalist atheist? Not sure how well

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John D. Giorgis

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 09:49 AM 6/21/2003 -0400 Jon Gabriel wrote: 1) How many times is Mary mentioned in the normal Catholic Mass (which Catholics are obligated to attend weekly)? Interesting. I have no idea, but I'd like to know the answer and would appreciate your posting it. While we're at it, what about the

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Reggie Bautista
rob replied: And you would be wrong. Very wrong. In the One True ChurchG Mary is not deified, but being the Mother Of God she sits close at the right hand of God in heaven and has influence as an Advocate. [snip] Most Christians have at some point asked someone else to pray for them, whether

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists rob replied: Jon wrote: A side question. Why is it that Mary is always seen in a glass window

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 12:04 PM 6/21/03 -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote: [snip] There is a huge difference between worship and prayer. Prayer is simply a method of communication. Worship is a type of communication. For example, Catholics believe in life-everlasting after death in heaven. Given that most Christians

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 11:31 AM 6/21/03 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: One might note that Mary sightings are most frequent in Hispanic countries or in areas with strong catholic traditions. How many Mary sightings do you hear about in China or India? One explanation is that when God deals with people, he does so

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 11:31 AM 6/21/2003 -0500 Robert Seeberger wrote: How many Mary sightings do you hear about in China or India? Well there are Shrines to Our Lady of India and Our Lady of China at the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception here in washington DC. JDG

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/21/2003 11:06:04 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many so-called fundamentalist Christians apparently do want exactly that, and are willing to help Him hurry. Well not before the third Lord of the Rings, thank you very much. William Taylor

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Seeberger Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 11:40 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists - Original Message - From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/21/2003 11:06:04 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many so-called fundamentalist Christians apparently do want exactly that, and are willing to help Him hurry. Well not before the third Lord of the Rings, thank you

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John D. Giorgis Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 12:04 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists At 09:49 AM 6/21/2003 -0400 Jon Gabriel wrote: 1) How many times is Mary mentioned

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Fool wrote: From: Robert Seeberger From: The Fool From: Robert Seeberger And I said nothing about criticism. Its namecalling I object to. snip snip,snip snippety-snip-snip! And there is a name for people who think

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread William T Goodall
On Saturday, June 21, 2003, at 08:42 pm, Jon Gabriel wrote: Ha! Okay. That makes sense. It also makes sense, as I consider this, that Mary, as an 'advocate' would be considered more accessible? That's probably not the right word. Discussing crazy nonsense as if it were real might have

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 2:25 PM Subject: RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 6:55 PM Subject: Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists On Saturday, June 21, 2003, at 08:42 pm, Jon Gabriel wrote: Ha! Okay

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William T Goodall Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 7:55 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists On Saturday, June 21, 2003, at 08:42 pm, Jon Gabriel wrote: Ha! Okay

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-21 Thread William T Goodall
On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 01:03 am, Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Discussing crazy nonsense as if it were real might have long-term deleterious affects on your mental health :) Anyone for dowsing, Tarot cards or Astrology?

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-20 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 05:16 AM 6/20/03 -0500, The Fool wrote: Religion is a fraud... Not necessarily, but there are certainly frauds who use religion . . . -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-20 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 05:16 AM 6/20/2003 -0500 The Fool wrote: Religion is a fraud... 'Jesus' box ruled a forgery Actually, give that for many people the Jesus Box was a challenge to their faith (ie for Catholics who hold as a tenet of faith that Mary was a life-long virgin), the above headline actuall was a

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-20 Thread The Fool
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 05:16 AM 6/20/2003 -0500 The Fool wrote: Religion is a fraud... 'Jesus' box ruled a forgery Actually, give that for many people the Jesus Box was a challenge to their faith (ie for Catholics who hold as a tenet of faith that Mary was a

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-20 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 06:44 AM 6/20/03 -0500, The Fool wrote: From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 05:16 AM 6/20/2003 -0500 The Fool wrote: Religion is a fraud... 'Jesus' box ruled a forgery Actually, give that for many people the Jesus Box was a challenge to their faith (ie for Catholics who hold as

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-20 Thread Steve Sloan II
The Fool wrote: Religion is a fraud... Has someone been playing that game from Office Space, called Jump to Conclusions? ;-) __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-20 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: Religion is a fraud... Oh, and based on what Pons Fleischman did, science is a fraud. Now, there are all sorts of charlatans inventing relics to make a buck or prove a point, and some of those have to do with religion. *Those* are to be condemned to the highest order. The

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-20 Thread Reggie Bautista
The Fool wrote: You say you are a christian, and yet you deny what the book says. It says in clear terms that jesus had a brother, and other siblings. You a just a hypocrite that's all. It only says that in clear terms if you don't understand the terms. There are two things that explain this

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-20 Thread Richard Baker
Reggie said: 2) The word used for brother can also mean cousin. So the siblings to which the bible refers are probably a combination of cousins and half-siblings from Joseph's first wife. Wouldn't those be step-siblings, Jesus' father being God and all? Rich

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-20 Thread The Fool
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Fool wrote: Religion is a fraud... Oh, and based on what Pons Fleischman did, science is a fraud. Now, there are all sorts of charlatans inventing relics to make a buck or prove a point, and some of those have to do with religion.

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-20 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 6:44 AM Subject: Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists You a just a hypocrite that's all. Think you could have come up with a more obnoxious way to phrase

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-20 Thread The Fool
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] You a just a hypocrite that's all. Think you could have come up with a more obnoxious way to phrase that Fool? Consider this a complaint. You don't have to like anyone here, and no one is forcing you

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-20 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 06:44 AM 6/20/2003 -0500 The Fool wrote: You say you are a christian, and yet you deny what the book says. It says in clear terms that jesus had a brother, and other siblings. You a just a hypocrite that's all. Catholics are not biblical literalists. You a just a bad typer, that's all. :)

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-20 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 07:39 PM 6/20/2003 -0500 The Fool wrote: If JDG is going to make smart ass remarks then I am going to criticize him. You mean, like, religion is a fraud? Just wondering.. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-20 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] You a just

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-20 Thread The Fool
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool You a just a hypocrite that's all. Think you could have come up with a more obnoxious way to phrase that Fool? Consider this a

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-20 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:04 PM Subject: Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists I said: And I said nothing about criticism. Its namecalling I object to. I have no objection

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-20 Thread The Fool
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] I said: And I said nothing about criticism. Its namecalling I object to. I have no objection in any way to you or anyone else jumping into the fray. But if you feel obligated to insult someone, do

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-20 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:31 PM Subject: Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] I said: And I

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-20 Thread The Fool
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool I said: And I said nothing about criticism. Its namecalling I object to. I have no objection in any way to you or anyone else jumping into

Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-20 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:57 PM 6/20/03 -0500, The Fool wrote: From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool I said: And I said nothing about criticism. Its namecalling I object to. I have no objection in any way