Re: brin: the three laws of robotis are evil, why theymustbeeradicated

2003-04-03 Thread G. D. Akin
Matt Grimaldi wrote: snip G. D. Akin wrote: The only instance I can think of off the top of my head is Giskard's development of the Zeroth Law (snip) Are there other instances I've forgotten? George A What about the story where they installed a new control robot in an

Re: Question for those who are anti-war . . .

2003-04-03 Thread Jean-Marc Chaton
* Bryon Daly [Tue, 01/04/2003 at 18:14 -0500] Jean-Marc Chaton wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Mon, 31/03/2003 at 21:44 -0500] It is true that the indefensible position of the French (no war ever no matter what) made things more difficult. It was not the position of France. It was 'no

Re: Details of The Bet Re: Br!n: Re: Peter Arnett has negativeeffect on ratings

2003-04-03 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 11:05:18PM -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote: That's why I made the bet in constant 2003 US dollars. The value of that is fixed for all time. Barring the end of civilization as we know it (in which case, neither of us is collecting) we will be able to convert the fixed

Re: Brin Calls for an Attack on Riyadh Re: Brin: David Frum on theWar Plans

2003-04-03 Thread G. D. Akin
- Original Message - From: d.brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:43 PM Subject: Re: Brin Calls for an Attack on Riyadh Re: Brin: David Frum on the War Plans 1. I was being sardonic about attacking Riyadh. Just recognizing

Re: Question for those who are anti-war . . .

2003-04-03 Thread Jean-Marc Chaton
* Gautam Mukunda [Tue, 01/04/2003 at 13:49 -0800] Note, for example, two simple actions by France: 1. They publicly threatened the Eastern European candidate countries with blackballing from EU membership for supporting the US and 2. It is now revealed that they did the same to Turkey,

Re: Question for those who are anti-war . . .

2003-04-03 Thread Alberto Monteiro
JDG wrote: Lastly, the total cost of the war is: Total Cost = Wait Costs + War Costs If we consider that War Costs is fixed, (...) But it is *not* fixed. The USA coalition could wait another 30 years, when the Iraqi population would be all over 50 [all iq children would die after

Re: Brin: The Next Big Thing

2003-04-03 Thread Alberto Monteiro
JDG wrote: Meanwhile, in France, even Le Monde has begun openly questioning the wisdom of Chirac's foreign policy in this crisis, and the wisdom of trying to align Paris with Moscow and Beijing. In other words, France may well be coming to their senses and starting to remember

Re: Brin Calls for an Attack on Riyadh Re: Brin: David Frum onthe War Plans

2003-04-03 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 10:43 PM 4/2/2003 -0800 d.brin wrote: 1. I was being sardonic about attacking Riyadh. Just recognizing their enmity would enable us to demand that they choose between their mansions and jihad. And if this Saudis refuse this demand, then what? How do you plan to back up your threats?I

Re: christian vultures circling iraq ready to strike

2003-04-03 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 03:03 PM 4/3/2003 +1000 Russell Chapman wrote: John D. Giorgis wrote: At 01:56 PM 4/3/2003 +1000 Russell Chapman wrote: Couldn't evil be defined as something that causes net loss/pain/cost to the larger community, for no benefit other than gratification on the part of the transgressor? It

Re: Brin: David Frum on the War Plans

2003-04-03 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 08:58 PM 4/2/2003 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote: Not that any of this should be taken to mean that I think leaving the treaty was a good idea. Dan has managed to convince me (absent classified evidence otherwise, at least) that the technology for missile defense is so unready that there's not

RE: Question for those who are anti-war . . .

2003-04-03 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 11:34 PM 4/2/2003 -0600 Horn, John wrote: From: Kevin Street [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The thing that bothers me so much here is that this time it's *America* who's the aggressor. The one major power that has (almost) never acted in an imperialistic manner, the country that has helped

Re: Calls for an Attack on Riyadh Re: Brin: David Frum on the War Plans

2003-04-03 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 10:35 PM 4/2/2003 -0800 Deborah Harrell wrote: --- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: d.brin wrote: much snippage *Technical point* Your quote was NOT what he said! Deborah, you snipped too far. Here is what was written: The difference between now and WWII is that such people

Re: Brin Calls for an Attack on Riyadh

2003-04-03 Thread Alberto Monteiro
G. D. Akin asked: So who do they hate more, the U.S. or rival tribes? There's an arab motto, more or like: I against my brother. I and my brother against our cousin. I, my brother and my cousin against our neighbour. I, my brother, my cousing, and my neighbour against the

Re: christian vultures circling iraq ready to strike

2003-04-03 Thread William T Goodall
On Thursday, April 3, 2003, at 01:25 pm, John D. Giorgis wrote: At 03:03 PM 4/3/2003 +1000 Russell Chapman wrote: John D. Giorgis wrote: At 01:56 PM 4/3/2003 +1000 Russell Chapman wrote: Couldn't evil be defined as something that causes net loss/pain/cost to the larger community, for no

Two Teachers Suspended For War-Related Art

2003-04-03 Thread The Fool
Two Teachers Suspended For War-Related Art 4-2-3 ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (Reuters) - Two Albuquerque teachers were placed on administrative leave earlier this week for refusing to remove Iraqi war-related artwork made by students from their classroom, school officials said on Wednesday. The

in soviet amerika television watches you

2003-04-03 Thread The Fool
http://www.tvweek.com/technology/030303isyourtv.html Is Your Television Watching You? By Phillip Swann Could the federal government find out what you're watching on TV? Even if you're not the subject of a criminal investigation? If you're a satellite TV or TiVo owner, the answer is yes,

I Should Not Be Allowed To Say The Following Things

2003-04-03 Thread The Fool
http://www.theonion.com/onion3912/i_should_not_be.html As Americans, we have a right to question our government and its actions. However, while there is a time to criticize, there is also a time to follow in complacent silence. And that time is now. It's one thing to question our leaders in the

Re: Question for those who are anti-war . . .

2003-04-03 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk
Erik Reuter wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2003 at 07:31:45PM +0200, Sonja van Baardwijk wrote: No matter what you percieved as fact it still is no reason whatsoever to not be polite. If you wanne make it personal and fight it out dirty, take it off-list. On-list we are nice to each other and give on

RE: Question for those who are anti-war . . .

2003-04-03 Thread Horn, John
From: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] America just doesn't things like this. Like what? Overthrow dictatorships that have invaded another country and have the potential to destabilize the world? What about the Balkans? That had no basis in UN resolutions at all. Yes, France

RE: You know what would be cool?

2003-04-03 Thread Horn, John
From: Deborah Harrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Still, I might go hunt a game up this summer - even horses can't supply that thrill of foiling the D'Master's evil plan of annihilation! ;) That's the spirit! Go get those bad guys! - jmh ___

Re: Brin: The Next Big Thing: Re: Peter Arnett has negative effecton ratings

2003-04-03 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 2 Apr 2003 at 23:52, John D. Giorgis wrote: US to fuel their economic growth and prevent the economic collapse that might spell the end of the Communist Party there. Russia, reconciliation with the West, not opposition. Moreover, Russia is a dying country of declining population and a

Re: Brin Calls for an Attack on Riyadh Re: Brin: David Frum on theWar Plans

2003-04-03 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 2 Apr 2003 at 22:35, Deborah Harrell wrote: This is NOT the same as calling for *actual* attack on Saudi Arabia! Which incidently I'd back in a heartbeat. Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Details of The Bet Re: Br!n: Re: Peter Arnett has negativeeffect on ratings

2003-04-03 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 2 Apr 2003 at 21:56, John D. Giorgis wrote: At 12:54 AM 4/3/2003 +0100 Andrew Crystall wrote: On 2 Apr 2003 at 17:40, Adam C. Lipscomb wrote: Gautam wrote: --- Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I give you less than 20 to crash and burn. In spectacular fashion. I'll

Re: in soviet amerika television watches you

2003-04-03 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 3 Apr 2003 at 7:42, The Fool wrote: http://www.tvweek.com/technology/030303isyourtv.html Is Your Television Watching You? By Phillip Swann Could the federal government find out what you're watching on TV? Even if you're not the subject of a criminal investigation? If you're a

Re: Impressions almost two weeks into the war

2003-04-03 Thread Matt Grimaldi
Bryon Daly wrote: (snip) Beyond what comes out of Hollywood about Vietnam, I find myself largely uniformed about that whole war. ^ Couldn't you get another one in a smaller size? :-) -- Matt ___

Re: Question for those who are anti-war . . .

2003-04-03 Thread Julia Thompson
John D. Giorgis wrote: At 11:34 PM 4/2/2003 -0600 Horn, John wrote: From: Kevin Street [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The thing that bothers me so much here is that this time it's *America* who's the aggressor. The one major power that has (almost) never acted in an imperialistic

Re: brin: the three laws of robotis are evil, whytheymustbeeradicated

2003-04-03 Thread Julia Thompson
G. D. Akin wrote: I just finished James Gunn's Isaac Asimov: The Foundations of Science Fiction (Revised edition) and even in it there's not much about robots going bad. Most of it is focused on the mystery and solving it in the robot stories, especially the three very good novels. Mr.

Re: You know what would be cool?

2003-04-03 Thread Julia Thompson
Deborah Harrell wrote: --- Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would make it tough. Are you done with your residency and all that good stuff? That is definitely more than a full time job. I dropped out of gaming for several years after college and really missed it. Felt

Canada

2003-04-03 Thread J.D. Giorgis
home, Mr. Nadeau said. Diplomacy scores big as hockey row ends amicably http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20030403/UHOCKN//?query=Brockton By INGRID PERITZ With a report from Shawn McCarthy in Ottawa Thursday, April 3, 2003 - Page A14 MONTREAL -- The face

Re: Question for those who are anti-war . . .

2003-04-03 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Jean-Marc Chaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm interested in links to support your point 2. To my knowledge France hasn't got a particular link or lever with Turkey. Germany has, though, due to historial, sociological (large part of its population is Turkish) , and economical. But I

general purpose tools (i.e. computers)

2003-04-03 Thread The Fool
http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/archives/000350.html I have written before about the danger posed by the Super-DMCA's ban on concealing the origin or destination of communication. I want to turn your attention now to a much more egregious provision of these bills -- the ban on devices and

Re: New Computer But Still Not Happy

2003-04-03 Thread Jean-Marc Chaton
* J. van Baardwijk [Wed, 02/04/2003 at 22:58 +0200] At 17:29 02-04-03 +0100, William Goodall wrote: It's the money, really. The 256/64 Kb package is considerably cheaper than cable, and other packages (512/256 and better) are all more expensive than cable. Cable costs EUR 49.95 per month,

Re: Question for those who are anti-war . . .

2003-04-03 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Jean-Marc Chaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think France, as the broad majority of the council, was agreeing with the necessity of a verifiable set of compliance tests, with the presence of a deadline (which length was under discussion) and the presence of the threat of military action.

Re: Question for those who are anti-war . . .

2003-04-03 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Question for those who are anti-war . . . --- Jean-Marc Chaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm interested in links to support your

Re: Question for those who are anti-war . . .

2003-04-03 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Turkey joined the EU, then it would have overwheming repercussions, right? Wouldn't Turkish citizens have the same right to travel, work, and live anywhere in Europe, passing through customs with a wave like I've seen other EU members do now?

Br!n, Br1n, Br|n, Br'n, etc.

2003-04-03 Thread Medievalbk
So many bets are being placed and robotic laws are being broken.. Don't wear the poor man out before I get to meet him this weekend. William Taylor Now where's my Sony camera ___

Re: Why I'm pissed off right now

2003-04-03 Thread johnnita42
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My home was shot last night. Not once. Three times. And my car. And.. my FUCKING CAT was killed. Why? You tell me. Three bullet holes, one in each Bring Our Soldiers Home sign. One bullet hole in my car,

Re: Brin Calls for an Attack on Riyadh

2003-04-03 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Andrew Crystall wrote: This is NOT the same as calling for *actual* attack on Saudi Arabia! Which incidently I'd back in a heartbeat. So you would support that the USA coalition launched some scuds against Mecca or the Islamic Temple over the rock in Jerusalem, and pretend that

Re: Question for those who are anti-war . . .

2003-04-03 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Gautam Mukunda wrote: No, but I think that's correct. Germany is doing this in part because Schroeder dislikes the US (and Fischer is an ex-terrorist, for goodness sake - I don't see why people don't make a bigger deal of that) Because an ex-terrorist is not a terrorist. Lots of

Re: Question for those who are anti-war . . .

2003-04-03 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 02:41:51PM -0300, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Because an ex-terrorist is not a terrorist. Lots of the Ministers of the current gov.br are ex-terrorists too. Brazilian Ministers go around scaring former's and previously's and used to be's?

Re: Question for those who are anti-war . . .

2003-04-03 Thread Reggie Bautista
JDG wrote: I developed that statistic myself, and AFAIK, I'm the only person that I've seen use it. :) Russell Chapman replied: It can't be too wrong, based on the size of the deployed force and the US population... Hmmm, now that you mention it, it may have only been here that I've seen that

Re: brin: the three laws of robotis are evil, why they must beeradicated

2003-04-03 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: brin: the three laws of robotis are evil, why they must be eradicated Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 22:34:01 +0200 At 13:24 31-03-03 -0800, David Brin wrote: Perhaps, but then the laws are actually designed for a different specific purpose, that is

Re: Question for those who are anti-war . . .

2003-04-03 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Erik Reuter wrote: Because an ex-terrorist is not a terrorist. Lots of the Ministers of the current gov.br are ex-terrorists too. Brazilian Ministers go around scaring former's and previously's and used to be's? I don't understand what you are talking

Re: Details of The Bet Re: Br!n: Re: Peter Arnett has negativeeffect on ratings

2003-04-03 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Details of The Bet Re: Br!n: Re: Peter Arnett has negative effect on ratings Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 21:56:40 -0500 At 12:54 AM 4/3/2003 +0100 Andrew

Yahoo Groups is Evil and Must Be Eradicated

2003-04-03 Thread Horn, John
OK. Is Yahoo Groups totally broken? Every so often I miss an email message from the list. (Actually, this happens more often than I'd like.) If I notice it, I'll go over to Yahoo Groups to see what I missed. Yesterday, the post in question was Jeffrey Miller's original post about his house

Re: Details of The Bet Re: Br!n: Re: Peter Arnett has negativeeffect on ratings

2003-04-03 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 11:59 AM Subject: Re: Details of The Bet Re: Br!n: Re: Peter Arnett has negative effect on ratings For some reason, I'm reminded of the antiagathics vs. germanium as currency

Re: Question for those who are anti-war . . .

2003-04-03 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 02:51:00PM -0300, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: Because an ex-terrorist is not a terrorist. Lots of the Ministers of the current gov.br are ex-terrorists too. Brazilian Ministers go around scaring former's and previously's

Re: Question for those who are anti-war . . .

2003-04-03 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Erik Reuter wrote: I don't understand what you are talking about. You previously interpreted A B where A=terrorist and B=killer to mean someone who kills terrorists. So, if A=ex- and B=terrorist, the Alberto interpretation should be someone who terrorizes ex'es.

Re: Easterbrook and TMQ Re: Impressions almost two weeks into the war

2003-04-03 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Easterbrook and TMQ Re: Impressions almost two weeks into the war Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 18:31:11 -0600 Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Julia Thompson

Re: Canada

2003-04-03 Thread Jean-Louis Couturier
signs in fromt of the American consulate. It's unacceptable to verbally (or any other way) abuse children. Diplomacy scores big as hockey row ends amicably http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20030403/UHOCKN//?query=Brockton By INGRID PERITZ With a report from Shawn

Re: Question for those who are anti-war . . .

2003-04-03 Thread Reggie Bautista
JDG wrote: Lastly, the total cost of the war is: Total Cost = Wait Costs + War Costs If we consider that War Costs is fixed, (...) Alberto replied: But it is *not* fixed. The USA coalition could wait another 30 years, when the Iraqi population would be all over 50 [all iq children would die

Some semi-good news

2003-04-03 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
First off, I'm -completely- amazed at all of you for the emails offlist and the suggestions about what to do; I've been in a state of shock about all this, and as much as I'd like to express with eloquence how this has effected me, I'm still too close to the event to really process it. At the

RE: christian vultures circling iraq ready to strike

2003-04-03 Thread Reggie Bautista
JMH wrote: Evil is like beauty or great art: I know it when I see it. You know it when you see it, but *why* do you know it when you see it? Is it somehow innate or is because you grew up in a culture suffused with Judeo-Christian values? Does our sense of right and wrong, or good and evil,

RE: I hate inches! :-(

2003-04-03 Thread Reggie Bautista
Someone wrote: I'm definitely well aware of that one being a major Hero System fan. So by Jackson's conversion that would be 1 inch = 6 feet... Damon replied: Which works out to 1/72 scale (or, 1in=72in). Perfect for 20mm figures (too bad no-one makes superhero figures in this scale...) Lego

Re: Some semi-good news

2003-04-03 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Jeffrey Miller wrote: their kid will be flippin' burgers all summer to cover the cost, (...) Yikes. Remind me never to eat a burger in Seattle. A sociopath like this boy might find pleasure in poisoning the food he cooks :-/ Alberto Monteiro

RE: Why I'm pissed off right now

2003-04-03 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
-Original Message- From: Gautam Mukunda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 03:13 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Why I'm pissed off right now --- Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Condolences on your loss. I don't know what I'd do

RE: Why I'm pissed off right now

2003-04-03 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
-Original Message- From: Marvin Long, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 04:10 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Why I'm pissed off right now I wonder if a local news station would be interested in this story? One of the other houses has

RE: Some semi-good news

2003-04-03 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
-Original Message- From: Alberto Monteiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:42 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Some semi-good news Jeffrey Miller wrote: their kid will be flippin' burgers all summer to cover the cost, (...)

RE: Why I'm pissed off right now

2003-04-03 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (BTW - I'm sorry I was a jerk to you here yesterday. I was quite rude, and you don't deserve that. Mae Culpa) -j- No problem - I was trying to figure out what the hell was going on, then I read your post and it made sense. I really am very

Re: Some semi-good news

2003-04-03 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm putting on my best face of forgiveness, and hoping that some change for the better comes into their lives from this, but I am still really shaken, and its going to take some time for me to really figure out how I feel.. anger? frustration?

Re: Some semi-good news

2003-04-03 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Some semi-good news Actually, now having read this, I would say, first, congrats to the police for catching them, but, second,

Re: Why I'm pissed off right now

2003-04-03 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:35 PM Subject: Re: Why I'm pissed off right now I think that *anyone* who just comes along and kills a cat (or dog!) for *any* reason not

EFF analysis of himmlercrofts patriot II legislation

2003-04-03 Thread The Fool
www.eff.org/Censorship/Terrorism_militias/patriot-act-II-analysis.php Long and formatted such that it would lose subsection data if copied. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Googlewashing

2003-04-03 Thread The Fool
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/30087.html Anti-war slogan coined, repurposed and Googlewashed... in 42 days By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco Posted: 03/04/2003 at 12:12 GMT This year marks the 100th anniversary of George Orwell's birth, and the writer who best explained the power of

4th Infantry

2003-04-03 Thread Gautam Mukunda
The 4th Infantry Divsion is deploying to Iraq right now. To get a real sense of what the American military is capable of right now, think about this. For all practical purposes a nation the size of California has been defeated by one British and the equivalent of about 3+ American Divisions.

Re: christian vultures circling iraq ready to strike

2003-04-03 Thread Bryon Daly
William T Goodall wrote: On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 07:36 pm, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 2 Apr 2003 at 16:44, William T Goodall wrote: On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 01:24 pm, John D. Giorgis wrote: At 12:19 PM 4/2/2003 +0100 William T Goodall wrote: Isn't religion just so

Re: Some semi-good news

2003-04-03 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 4/3/2003 11:34:14 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The charges against them for what amounts to vandalism are actually pretty minor, I'm told, compared to the weapons charge (loaded weapon in a vehicle, discharging a weapon within N yards of a

Re: 4th Infantry

2003-04-03 Thread Adam C. Lipscomb
Gautam posted: The 4th Infantry Divsion is deploying to Iraq right now. To get a real sense of what the American military is capable of right now, think about this. For all practical purposes a nation the size of California has been defeated by one British and the equivalent of about 3+

Re: SCOUTED: US Troops Fire at Civilians in Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 22:49 02-04-2003 -0500, John Giorgis wrote: Fifteen Iraqi civilians were packed inside the Toyota, officers said, along with as many of their possessions as the jammed vehicle could hold. Ten of them, including five children who appeared to be under 5 years old, were killed on the spot when

Re: SCOUTED: US Troops Fire at Civilians in Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:13 PM Subject: Re: SCOUTED: US Troops Fire at Civilians in Iraq At 22:49 02-04-2003 -0500, John Giorgis wrote: Fifteen Iraqi civilians were packed

RE: SCOUTED: US Troops Fire at Civilians in Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Horn, John
From: J. van Baardwijk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] At 22:49 02-04-2003 -0500, John Giorgis wrote: Fifteen Iraqi civilians were packed inside the Toyota, officers said, along with as many of their possessions as the jammed vehicle could hold. Ten of them, including five children who

RE: Some semi-good news

2003-04-03 Thread Horn, John
From: Miller, Jeffrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] First off, I'm -completely- amazed at all of you for the emails offlist and the suggestions about what to do; I was shocked and astounded when I read about this yesterday. My wife was enraged when I told her about it last night. She was more

Re: Some semi-good news

2003-04-03 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:40 PM Subject: RE: Some semi-good news I am so glad to hear they caught the idiots who did this. I know you are trying to be forgiving but I hope

Re: Some semi-good news

2003-04-03 Thread Bryon Daly
I'm just catching up on the list messages, so my condolences on your cat are coming a bit late... I'm really sorry to hear about that whole incident - it was truly a despicable set of acts. I'm glad to hear they caught the culprits - hopefully the throw the book at the non-juveniles. -bryon

Re: Details of The Bet Re: Br!n: Re: Peter Arnett has negativeeffecton ratings

2003-04-03 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 11:59 AM Subject: Re: Details of The Bet Re: Br!n: Re: Peter Arnett has negative effect on ratings For some reason, I'm reminded

Re: SCOUTED: US Troops Fire at Civilians in Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 14:27 03-04-2003 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: Fifteen Iraqi civilians were packed inside the Toyota, officers said, along with as many of their possessions as the jammed vehicle could hold. Ten of them, including five children who appeared to be under 5 years old, were killed on the spot when

Taiwan Inelgible for WHO Aid Against SARS

2003-04-03 Thread J.D. Giorgis
At this point, I say that the United States should recognize Taiwanese independence to whatever extent it asks us to, and tell Beijing to take their objections and stuff it. Really, what will Red China do to us? Eventually, Beijing will come back to reality and just get over it. Time to do

RE: I hate inches! :-(

2003-04-03 Thread Damon
Lego people actually work amazingly well on hex maps. Both my wife Anita and a good friend of ours named Mike are avid Lego collectors, and let me tell you, that makes playing Champions with them really interesting. I have yet to see a Champions character that couldn't be represented fairly

Re: SCOUTED: US Troops Fire at Civilians in Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread iaamoac
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One ICC trial, coming up... That was humor, right? Not a serious comment, right? If not, you just confirmed the wisdom behind not joining the ICC... - jmh John, You Got It! Everybody, Jeroen is NOT BEING SERIOUS ABOUT

Re: 4th Infantry

2003-04-03 Thread Richard Baker
Adam said: Lies! All American lies! The Iraqi government, may their years be many and their power increase, have truthfully informed us that the forces of the mercenary invaders have taken thousands of casualties at the hands of Iraq's brave republican guard. Millions of casualties! At the

Re: 4th Infantry

2003-04-03 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:45 PM Subject: Re: 4th Infantry Adam said: Lies! All American lies! The Iraqi government, may their years be many and their power increase, have

Scouted: China hits back on human rights

2003-04-03 Thread Horn, John
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/east/04/03/china.rights.reut/index.htm l BEIJING, China (Reuters) -- China retaliated on Thursday against a U.S. report critical of its human rights performance, accusing America of turning a blind eye to violations at home while pretending to be the world's

RE: SCOUTED: US Troops Fire at Civilians in Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 16:38 03-04-2003 -0500, Damon Agretto wrote: That was humor, right? Not a serious comment, right? If not, you just confirmed the wisdom behind not joining the ICC... I just as well assume Jeroen failed to read my post in response to this. Or ignored it... Neither, actually. Between sending

Re: 4th Infantry

2003-04-03 Thread Russell Chapman
Adam C. Lipscomb wrote: Lies! All American lies! The Iraqi government, may their years be many and their power increase, have truthfully informed us that the forces of the mercenary invaders have taken thousands of casualties at the hands of Iraq's brave republican guard. In fact, I'm sure the

Re: 4th Infantry

2003-04-03 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 11:37:52AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: For all practical purposes a nation the size of California has been defeated by one British and the equivalent of about 3+ American Divisions. Already defeated? Are you sure you're not counting your chickens before they're

Re: SCOUTED: US Troops Fire at Civilians in Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 09:37:32PM -, iaamoac wrote: Please, there is a better way. If you feel the same way that I do, please e-mail the List Admins and ask them to take action against the fundamentally non-serious list-flaming of Jeroen. If you feel the way I do, please DON'T email the

Re: 4th Infantry

2003-04-03 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 11:37:52AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: For all practical purposes a nation the size of California has been defeated by one British and the equivalent of about 3+ American Divisions. Already defeated? Are you sure

Re: Calls for an Attack on Riyadh Re: Br!n: David Frum on the WarPlans

2003-04-03 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: much snippage *Technical point* Your quote was NOT what he said! Deborah, you snipped too far. Here is what was written: The difference between now and WWII is that such people would not be allowed to commit

RE: SCOUTED: US Troops Fire at Civilians in Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Damon
Neither, actually. Between sending my original message and hitting Send after writing *this* message, I have received only two messages from you: the one quoted above, and the one about you being a collector and painter of figures. I had sent a post a few days ago stating that the vehicle was

Re: SCOUTED: US Troops Fire at Civilians in Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 21:37 03-04-2003 +, John Giorgis wrote: Everybody, Jeroen is NOT BEING SERIOUS ABOUT THIS!Come on now - no serious person could say something that stupid! Jeroen is *flaming* us. Snipped rest of Giorgis's extensive umpteenth personal attack against me John, please limit yourself to

Re: You know what would be cool?

2003-04-03 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: --- Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would make it tough. Are you done with your residency and all that good stuff?..sniplet.. I dropped out of gaming for several years after college and really missed

Re: Some semi-good news

2003-04-03 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 10:33 AM 4/3/2003 -0800, you wrote: snip the not good, but better news -j- /agree with everyone. I am still sorry it happened. I am glad the police caught them. It sounds like at least one has parents willing to punish their child, let's hope the other two do the same. Kevin Tarr

Re: Ad Astra

2003-04-03 Thread Damon
My #1 reccommendation to you if you want to sell units is to make it D20 compatable. This can be as intrusive or unobtrusive as you want it. I assume the real MEAT of the setting is...the setting! Therefore the setting will stand on its own. However, I've found that a lot of people will reject

RE: SCOUTED: US Troops Fire at Civilians in Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 17:35 03-04-2003 -0500, Damon Agretto wrote: Neither, actually. Between sending my original message and hitting Send after writing *this* message, I have received only two messages from you: the one quoted above, and the one about you being a collector and painter of figures. I had sent a

Re: SCOUTED: US Troops Fire at Civilians in Iraq

2003-04-03 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SCOUTED: US Troops Fire at Civilians in Iraq Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 17:24:21 -0500 On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 09:37:32PM -, iaamoac wrote: Please, there is

RE: Some semi-good news

2003-04-03 Thread Gary L. Nunn
I'm putting on my best face of forgiveness, and hoping that some change for the better comes into their lives from this, but I am still really shaken, and its going to take some time for me to really figure out how I feel.. anger? frustration? fear? loneliness? They're all there, but

Re: Taiwan Inelgible for WHO Aid Against SARS

2003-04-03 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- J.D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/topstories/story/0,4386,180847,00.html? TAIWAN Anger over lack of help from WHO TAIPEI - The President, the media and ordinary Taiwanese are outraged by the World Health Organisation's (WHO) failure to send

RE: I hate inches! :-(

2003-04-03 Thread Reggie Bautista
I wrote: Lego people actually work amazingly well on hex maps. Damon replied: Haha, Reggie you hit on the antithesis of all that I am as a gamer and a hobbyist! :) I am a very AVID and ACTIVE collector and PAINTER of figures...the idea of an unpainted figure (unless its a work in progress) is

RE: Scouted: China hits back on human rights

2003-04-03 Thread Gary L. Nunn
BEIJING, China (Reuters) -- China retaliated on Thursday against a U.S. report critical of its human rights performance, accusing America of turning a blind eye to violations at home while pretending to be the world's judge of human rights. Unfortunately, China may be right. We (the

Re: Scouted: Top 100 April Fool's Day Hoaxes of All Time

2003-04-03 Thread Bryon Daly
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/top100.html Top 100 April Fool's Day Hoaxes of All Time My personal favorite is #26. :) Jon I just noticed this one: #48: Mount Milton Erupts In 1980 the Channel 7 news in Boston ended with a special bulletin announcing that a

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