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From: Jennifer Larkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Lets assume that it teaches people incorrect definitions for standard
terminology. This is Matt's viewpoint. Since I am familiar with Matt, I
Sure, terminology is important but it is far too often
treated as the most important thing and it's not. If
you said:
hand me the hammer
vs
hand me that tool with the wooden handle and the metal
smasher for banging nails
I'm human, i'd figure it out.
That's fine, conversationally.
this
conversation keeps the rest of you up this evening?
Tim Heald
ACP/CCFD
Application Development
www.schoollink.net
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From: Hal Helms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Jennifer, I'm unclear
I just want to see who gets the last word in :-D
Douglas Brown
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Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:25 PM
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
I do have to say
, April 30, 2002 2:40 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
I just want to see who gets the last word in :-D
Douglas Brown
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:32 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Sure, terminology is important but it is far too often
treated as the most important thing and it's not. If
you said:
hand me the hammer
vs
hand
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Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:40 AM
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I just want to see who gets the last word in :-D
Douglas Brown
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Well hell let's integrate the two and call it FLiPBox and be
done with it!!! :-)
Douglas Brown
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From: Hal Helms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:41 PM
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX
Wow you read me just like that huh?
Tim Heald
ACP/CCFD
Application Development
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-Original Message-
From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:45 AM
To: CF-Talk
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ahhh just go get a crisp cold
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Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:40 PM
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Wow you read me just like that huh?
Tim Heald
ACP/CCFD
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From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday
The philosopher/mathemetician Bertrand Russell once told his
collaborator, Alfred North Whitehead: This issue cannot be resolved.
The problem is that I am simple-minded and you are muddle-headed.
This isn't Principia Mathematica we're working on here, you know.
Dave, I think what my
Yippee I win (umm ok so I get to be the most tired at work tomorrow)
Tim Heald
ACP/CCFD
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:55 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX
the separation of terms (for the excellent
reasons you outline), some people say Fusebox when they're talking
about FLiP and the other way 'round.
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Lets assume that it teaches people incorrect definitions for standard
terminology. This is Matt's viewpoint. Since I am familiar with Matt, I
can
tell you that the guy *does* know what he's talking
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From: Hal Helms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Jennifer, I'm unclear about the reference to URL vars, which Fusebox is
completely agnostic about. It does view
That's OK. If you're muddle-headed, I must be simple minded.
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From: Steve Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:55 AM
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If i had a nickel every time i got muddle-headed.
wait, that would
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Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:50 PM
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Living in California, where it's 11:50. Although I do have to
get up
awfully early to take public transportation to Berkeley, so I
should be
going to bed soon.
At 02:25 AM 4/30/02
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To be honest, it's been quite some time since I've looked at the docs,
so I
can't say with conviction what the stance is on URL variables. However,
it
seems that the method requests that you refer
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From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 3:07 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Berkeley... Is it true that most people from that school is flower
sniffing tree huggers? I heard a saying once
LSD and Linux BSD both came from
Yeah all I know is what I see in the news...HELL NO WE WONT GO
Douglas Brown
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From: Tim Heald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:03 AM
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Someone
If there's anyone you can imagine sliding down the Batpole, wouldn't it
be
Steve Nelson?
Dave Watts maybe?
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If there's anyone you can imagine sliding down the Batpole, wouldn't it
be
Steve Nelson?
Dave Watts maybe?
only if he was wearing a black beret at a rakish tilt holding tightly to a
blue colored
bottle of one kind or other...;-)
/application at hand.
My thoughts, not yours. And now my bed is beckoning me.
Shawn Grover
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From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:14 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Yeah all I know is what I see in the news
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Having just spent 2 hours catching up on this thread, I'm getting tired,
and need sleep.
My take on this thread:
Those developers who have experience in structured programming and/or
OOP, can relate some of the abstract concepts and methods
, April 30, 2002 12:34 AM
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
In response to your question to Steve, Tim Heald asked us to
respond to some Fusebox talk on the CF-List.
I was kidding about the alarm bell thing! To the Fusemobile!
I'm happy to try to help, but I know that some folks
more qualified
than I to discuss FB.)
Shawn Grover
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From: Hal Helms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
I don't think it's quite like that, Shawn. I learned programming working
in Smalltalk
At 09:16 AM 4/30/2002 -0600, you wrote:
For the record, my current project IS a Fusebox app. We came onboard after
the project had been started, so FB was already in place. It only took a
few days to work through the existing code to determine how and where things
were being done.
At the
That's why I encourage others to try Fusebox out for
themselves. Come to your own conclusions and then you
won't have to listen to me saying it's great! or
someone else saying it sucks!
Oh yes, they will! They just won't have to pay attention.
Besides, there's a world of difference
Krieg wrote:
If FuseBox delivered on its promises, all of its interfaces
would be well documented, it would be more than just a model
to code upon, and we'd be in a position where we could pretty
much drop in FuseBox-compliant applets (circuits? fuses?)
in and out of our own web
,
http://cfespresso.com:8100/cfespresso.
-Matt
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:49 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
That's why I encourage others to try Fusebox out for
themselves. Come to your own
: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
http://www.fusebox.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=learn.specification
CF and PHP are there, JSP is coming pretty soon.
Steve Nelson
Dave Watts wrote:
There are two books coming out on Fusebox that should
help to alleviate the lack of available information on
exactly what
language (in their minds)
---
Billy Cravens
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From: jon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 11:08 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
I've been programming in PHP for a long time... and I have yet to see
anyone
ever post a fusebox
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Number of reasons:
1- fb isn't as pervasive in PHP
2- (maybe) php community isn't as tightly knit as cf community, so
awareness of fb is less
3- fb originated in cf, so it's probably more limited to cf/php
crossovers
4- closed-minded developers
Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:43 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
http://www.fusebox.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=learn.specification
CF and PHP are there, JSP is coming pretty soon.
Steve Nelson
Dave Watts wrote:
There are two books
Message-
From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 11:13 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
From fusebox.org
http://www.fusebox.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=specs.phpfusebox30CFID=3105
5CF
TOKEN=46609914
Robert Everland III
Dixon
, remember
RTFM.
Robert Everland III
Dixon Ticonderoga
Web Developer Extraordinaire
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Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Hehe.. you do realize that if you had been logged
[Fusebox provides] MVC implementation in CF.
That strikes me as a watered-down interpretation of MVC, if you don't mind
me saying. MVC in J2EE is a lot more than separating query logic from
presentation logic.
A tried and true development process.
How you organize your files is hardly a
I'd also venture that, if you use a methodology - ANY
methodology - like FuseBox, your code can be fairly
elegant...
First of all, my comment about elegance was that CFML code itself isn't
elegant. This is a common complaint about tag-based languages. The good
thing about tag-based
based programming is
just different - not more or less elegant than OO programming...
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 7:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
I'd also venture that, if you use a methodology
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 10:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
[Fusebox provides] MVC implementation in CF.
That strikes me as a watered-down interpretation
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
I'd also venture that, if you use a methodology - ANY
methodology - like FuseBox, your code can be fairly
elegant...
First of all, my comment about elegance was that CFML code itself
isn't
elegant. This is a common complaint about tag-based languages
As far as I am concerned you can do no better, as a newbie,
than to learn CF and Fusebox at the same time. The lessons
you learn about maintainability, portability, and functionality
are lessons you NEED, and a whole lot easier to learn than
grabbing a copy of code complete and just
Fusebox just tells you how to organize your code
Me thinks it's time you learn more about Fusebox if simple code organization
is what you think it's all about. That's an old wives tale that seems to
live on...and on...and on...
That said, however, I really do understand and respect your
:36 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
I am referring to FLiP. A process by which you can truly get the most
out
of your requirements gathering, prototyping and eventual coding. By
using
wireframe, mind maps and prototypes with devnotes, to tear from the
client
what
Mostly I'm talking about FuseBox as a way to get everyone
writing code the same way - so that if person B picks up
where person A left off, they can find their way. And again,
I'm not plugging FuseBox - ANY reasonable way of organizing
your code is better than none. And I've seen plenty
I am referring to FLiP. A process by which you can truly
get the most out of your requirements gathering, prototyping
and eventual coding. By using wireframe, mind maps and
prototypes with devnotes, to tear from the client what
they really need, not just what they think they need.
These
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Fusebox just tells you how to organize your code
Me thinks it's time you learn more about Fusebox if simple code organization
is what you think it's all about. That's an old wives tale that seems
it.
-matt
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From: Ken Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 7:44 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Fusebox just tells you how to organize your code
Me thinks it's time you learn more about Fusebox if simple code
Fusebox just tells you how to organize your code
Me thinks it's time you learn more about Fusebox if simple
code organization is what you think it's all about. That's
an old wives tale that seems to live on...and on...and on...
It may be a slight oversimplification, but it's a useful
.
Ken
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From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 10:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
This is all standard Fusebox crap. People make these statements about
what Fusebox does using terms they clearly don't
(was: I like CFMX)
I am referring to FLiP. A process by which you can truly
get the most out of your requirements gathering, prototyping
and eventual coding. By using wireframe, mind maps and
prototypes with devnotes, to tear from the client what
they really need, not just what they think
It's coming.
Tim Heald
ACP/CCFD
Application Development
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Fusebox just tells you how to organize your code
Me
aren't using Fusebox.
-Matt
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From: Ken Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 8:20 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Uh huh. Normally the FB conversation stops shortly after someone pulls
out
that old nothing
So do tell, in detail if you please, what you find objectionable about it.
Educated feedback is good for all be it pro or con.
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From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX
for themselves what Fusebox is all about.
Hal Helms
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From: Tim Heald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
It's coming.
Tim Heald
ACP/CCFD
Application Development
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CFGURU as well as various other lists.
What is CFGURU? For debates on Fusebox, the actual Fusebox lists would
likely be your best bet on getting educated information about it.
Ken
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Just a quick step back from this. I think we are getting two separate
parts
of FB confused. Fusebox 3 is a framework. It is a way to organize
and
write your code to make it easier to maintain and follow.
This is not at all what an application framework is. An application
framework
There are two books coming out on Fusebox that should
help to alleviate the lack of available information on
exactly what Fusebox is. John Quarto and I wrote one
called Discovering Fusebox 3 and Jeff Peters/Nat Papovich
wrote one for New Riders. That will help people who want
to find
PM
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Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
So do tell, in detail if you please, what you find objectionable about
it.
Educated feedback is good for all be it pro or con.
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From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
You get the wrong impression. I have seen plenty of Fusebox. I have
debated it on CFGURU as well as various other lists. I have debated it
at conferences and user groups as well. We even had
http://www.fusebox.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=learn.specification
CF and PHP are there, JSP is coming pretty soon.
Steve Nelson
Dave Watts wrote:
There are two books coming out on Fusebox that should
help to alleviate the lack of available information on
exactly what Fusebox is. John
Dave,
There are two books coming out on Fusebox that should help to alleviate
the lack of available information on exactly what Fusebox is. John
Quarto and I wrote one called Discovering Fusebox 3 and Jeff
Peters/Nat Papovich wrote one for New Riders. That will help people who
want to find
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
CFGURU as well as various other lists.
What is CFGURU? For debates on Fusebox, the actual Fusebox lists would
likely be your best bet on getting educated information about it.
Ken
There are two books coming out on Fusebox that should
help to alleviate the lack of available information on
exactly what Fusebox is. John Quarto and I wrote one
called Discovering Fusebox 3 and Jeff Peters/Nat Papovich
wrote one for New Riders. That will help people who want
to
some of the articles I have written by visiting,
http://devilm.com/writing.html.
-Matt
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From: Tim Heald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 8:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Matt one last thing that has nothing at all
So do tell, in detail if you please, what you find
objectionable about it.
I don't use Fusebox because it does nothing for me.
Uh huh. Most enlightening detail there Matt.
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Well, hi to you too Steve! What did they do, ring the alarm bell at
fusebox.org?
Now that's funny!
-Matt
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Well, hi to you too Steve! What did they do, ring the alarm
bell at fusebox.org?
Now that's funny!
If there's anyone you can imagine sliding down the Batpole, wouldn't it be
Steve Nelson?
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Subject: Re: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Dave,
There are two books coming out on Fusebox that should help to
alleviate the lack of available information on exactly what Fusebox
is. John Quarto and I wrote one called Discovering Fusebox 3 and
Jeff Peters/Nat Papovich wrote
(was: I like CFMX)
So do tell, in detail if you please, what you find
objectionable about it.
I don't use Fusebox because it does nothing for me.
Uh huh. Most enlightening detail there Matt.
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From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:46 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
It is a mailing list for, well, CF gurus. I really don't
Not since he started wearing suits all the time.
-Matt
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 9:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Well, hi to you too Steve! What did they do, ring the alarm
bell
Hell, we've always had a 'fusebell' which is ringed when someone wants help.
That's one reason why people love Fusebox, because we have such a tight
community.
Dig a tiny bit deeper and you'll find the core files. Currently the core files,
are the spec. We're just a bunch of stupid programmers
You wouldn't believe me if i told you, but i actually have a batpole and a glowing red
phone in my house.
Steve
Dave Watts wrote:
Well, hi to you too Steve! What did they do, ring the alarm
bell at fusebox.org?
Now that's funny!
If there's anyone you can imagine sliding down the
, as the Chinese say.
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
There are two books coming out on Fusebox that should help to
alleviate the lack of available information
Sounds like a quick search on Matt Liotta might tell me all I need to know
about code, love and the meaning of life?
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FAQ:
, April 29, 2002 8:56 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
So do tell, in detail if you please, what you find
objectionable about it.
I don't use Fusebox because it does nothing for me.
Uh huh. Most enlightening detail there Matt
You wouldn't believe me if i told you, but i actually have a
batpole and a glowing red phone in my house.
No, Steve, I would believe you. Please don't tell me more.
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http://www.figleaf.com/
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Let me also say this, I know who you are, and I know that
you are eons above where I am in coding ability.
Heh, heh. Don't say that until you've had to maintain my code! I've written
my share of bad code. However, the big advantage that I have over the
average CF programmer, I think, is
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From: Hal Helms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 9:12 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
I agree there's no formal specification, Dave. We're all working
developers and though people contribute enormously to spreading
Fusebox,
we
Dig a tiny bit deeper and you'll find the core files.
Currently the core files, are the spec. We're just a
bunch of stupid programmers and our attempt at actually
writing a spec for Fusebox comes about from writing
an implementation of a bunch of ideas, then calling
that the
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From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
What do you want? Want me to list everything I expect in an architecture
and application framework to show
I certainly wouldn't want to do that any more than you would, Matt. I'm
not sure what you're referring to, though.
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From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:16 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Indeed, more
stuff depending on application
-Matt
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From: Steve Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 9:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Sure, list it all.
Steve
Matt Liotta wrote:
What do you want? Want me to list
In response to your question to Steve, Tim Heald asked us to
respond to some Fusebox talk on the CF-List.
I was kidding about the alarm bell thing! To the Fusemobile!
I'm happy to try to help, but I know that some folks have
an animus against Fusebox that I can't help with.
Well,
I was kidding about the alarm bell thing! To the Fusemobile!
hehehe ... killing me!
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From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:27 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Ok, off the top of my head...
An architecture would provide:
* context for partitioning application
paper on architecture and development? Where's your best practices
piece?
I'm not trying to be a prick, I'm trying to say two things basically:
I have written plenty of these documents. Just because they are not in
the public space doesn't change anything. You might be surprised at the
-Original Message-
From: Hal Helms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 9:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
I certainly wouldn't want to do that any more than you would, Matt.
I'm
not sure what you're referring to, though.
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Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 8:56 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
So do tell, in detail if you please, what you find
objectionable about it.
I don't use Fusebox because it does nothing for me.
Uh huh. Most enlightening detail there Matt
Sure I have several NDAs I operate under. I have no problem signing one
more.
Tim Heald
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Application Development
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-Original Message-
From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:37 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I
For the beginner my friend, in layman's terms. Seriously.
I am paying attention, and I am never so close minded that
I cannot be swayed, but truth be told I heard a bunch of
buzzwords, and some stuff that I should probably know more
about.
One of the problems with learning programming,
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From: Tim Heald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 9:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Ok Matt,
For the beginner my friend, in layman's terms. Seriously. I am
paying
attention, and I am never so close minded that I cannot be swayed
At 11:41 PM 4/29/2002 -0500, you wrote:
One thing that I have noticed when talking with other developers.
Terminology is always a big hang up.
Not directly related, but...
I used to work with someone who was big into FileMaker Pro.
The conversation would go completely around in circles
Perhaps I have joined this conversation too late to participate.
However, I'm wandering: What is the purpose of this thread?
At first I thought it was a discussion about Fusebox.
Or is it a discussion about web architectures?
-Oh well, seems to be dieing out anyway.
Drew
On 4/29/02 11:55 PM,
At 08:52 PM 4/29/02 -0700, you wrote:
Well, hi to you too Steve! What did they do, ring the alarm bell at
fusebox.org?
Now that's funny!
You two have been cracking me up for hours. And for the record, Matt's
being much less negative today than he is in the BACFUG list. Must be the
beer.
: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Perhaps I have joined this conversation too late to participate.
However, I'm wandering: What is the purpose of this thread?
At first I thought it was a discussion about Fusebox.
Or is it a discussion about web architectures?
-Oh well, seems to be dieing out
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-Original Message-
From: Hal Helms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 9:05 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
We won't
: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
At 08:52 PM 4/29/02 -0700, you wrote:
Well, hi to you too Steve! What did they do, ring the alarm bell at
fusebox.org?
Now that's funny!
You two have been cracking me up for hours. And for the record, Matt's
being much less negative today than he is in the BACFUG
, it will stop you from contributing to this debate.
-Matt
-Original Message-
From: Tim Heald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 9:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox (was: I like CFMX)
Ok Matt,
For the beginner my friend, in layman's terms
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