Re: [EVDL] Smearing with coal (again)

Jim > > > -Original Message- > From: "Jan Steinman via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 13:59 > To: ev@lists.evdl.org > Cc: "Jan Steinman" <j...@ecoreality.org> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Smearing with coal (again) >

Re: [EVDL] Smearing with coal (again)

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 8:23 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote: > By charging during the day! Yep, that's what I wrote originally: >> If everybody gets an EV, and everybody charges it at night, >> that's a lot of nighttime emissions. So, like I said, if you're charging your EV at

Re: [EVDL] Smearing with coal (again)

By charging during the day! The #1 EV priority by the DOE is to promote daytime charging-at-work. Anyone who looks at the trends can see that Day is the new night as far as low cost energy will be concerned. And regarding the end game we wont get there then unless we halt the growing CO2

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> From: "j...@k6ccc.org" > >> Can you provide some evidence that "it does not change the generation mix at >> all?" > > Absolutely. At least around here, the renewable sourced electricity goes > into the system regardless... this data [NO SOURCE CITED] is a few years old, >

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> From: "Jan Steinman via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 13:59 > To: ev@lists.evdl.org > Cc: "Jan Steinman" <j...@ecoreality.org> > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Smearing with coal (again) > > > > > From: "j...@k6ccc.o

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note that this data is a few years old, but I am not aware that it has changed. Jim -Original Message- From: "Jan Steinman via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 13:59 To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Jan Steinman" <j...@ecoreality.org> Subj

Re: [EVDL] Smearing with coal (again)

tall my own solar. > Cor. > > -Original Message- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of jim--- via EV > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 1:08 PM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Cc: j...@k6ccc.org > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Smearing with coal (a

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You are also leaving out the energy necessary to refine the gasoline. An electric car can go 20 miles on the energy it take to make gasoline Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2018, at 11:36 AM, Ken Olum via EV wrote: > > From: Robert Bruninga > Date:

Re: [EVDL] Smearing with coal (again)

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 2:43 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: >> If everybody gets an EV, and everybody charges it at night, >> that's a lot of nighttime emissions. > > Not if those same people put up say 12 solar panels and produced into the > grid during the day what they

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> Solar alone doesn't fully mitigate the emissions of EVs > unless you charge the EV when the sun is shining. A common misunderstanding of net metering. It doesn't matter when the solar owner charges, as long as he has produced enough solar banked into the grid to meet that load later on. The

Re: [EVDL] Smearing with coal (again)

There is a purpose to buying green power - to support a nascent industry in the face of established production methods and producers (who don't want to change). If you have some money to spare, and you want the earth to be a cleaner place, it may make sense to pay more for greener production of

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> From: "j...@k6ccc.org" > > That is such a crock - I'm talking about people paying extra to get "green" > power. All that means is people are stupid enough to pay extra for something > that would have been there whether they paid for it or not. Are you so certain that is the

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On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 1:29 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > However, anyone paying extra for green power sends a signal > to the market that green power has higher value. > They are voting with their money. That's exactly right. There are two kinds of green power

Re: [EVDL] Smearing with coal (again)

..@k6ccc.org Subject: Re: [EVDL] Smearing with coal (again) Bob said )in part): > The California Survey back in 2012 or so showed that 45% of all EV > owners charged from clean energy. A 2016 Survey by Ford showed that 85% of all EV owners charged from clean solar or subscribed for 100% r

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e Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> Cc: "j...@k6ccc.org" <j...@k6ccc.org> Sent: 04-Jan-18 1:07:33 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Smearing with coal (again) Bob said )in part): The California Survey back in 2012 or so showed that 45% of all EV owners charged from clean en

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Bob said )in part): > The California Survey back in 2012 or so showed that 45% of all EV owners charged from clean energy. A 2016 Survey by Ford showed that 85% of all EV owners charged from clean solar or subscribed for 100% renewables from their grid, or would when it was offered. That is

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: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> Cc: Cor van de Water <cwa...@proxim.com> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Smearing with coal (again) Ken That is exactly why many residences decide to get solar, to counter the (steep) increase in electric usage and while they are at it, they ofte

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: [EVDL] Smearing with coal (again) From: Robert Bruninga <bruni...@usna.edu> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 16:52:46 -0500 if one generates say 10MWhrs per year of solar and use 10MWhars per year of electricity, then 100% of your energy is completely fossil fuel free. I agree th

Re: [EVDL] Smearing with coal (again)

From: Robert Bruninga Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 16:52:46 -0500 if one generates say 10MWhrs per year of solar and use 10MWhars per year of electricity, then 100% of your energy is completely fossil fuel free. I agree that you are entitled to brag that you used no

Re: [EVDL] Smearing with coal (again)

Olum <k...@cosmos.phy.tufts.edu> Subject: Re: [EVDL] Smearing with coal (again) From: Robert Bruninga <bruni...@usna.edu> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 11:15:28 -0500 AND more than half of all EV buyers also buy CLEAN ELECTRICITY, either from their own solar... The fungibility of el

Re: [EVDL] Smearing with coal (again)

From: Robert Bruninga Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 11:15:28 -0500 AND more than half of all EV buyers also buy CLEAN ELECTRICITY, either from their own solar... The fungibility of electric power makes it difficult to make a clear statement about this. It's true that if

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I think that you're misquoting the article. 70% is not from coal - it's from a mixture: "in 2015, 72 per cent of the electricity generated in Nova Scotia came from plants burning coal, pet coke, natural gas and oil." And the amount of renewables will go up to 40%, not 60%, and not until 2020.

[EVDL] Smearing with coal (again)

> Worse... energy created here to charge EVs still comes mostly from > polluting sources: > http://halifaxchronicle.can.newsmemory.com/publink.php?shareid=034660fc3 Not true. Even that article points out that it was 70% coal but is now down to 40% (60% renewables). SO that is not "mostly"