[EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
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[EVDL] What kind of lithium batteries have 10,000 cycles

2015-03-30 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
characteristics beneficial to a long lasting pack that is usable and not having to be babied.  Bill, do you have time to share?  Lawrence Rhodes  -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150

Re: [EVDL] What kind of lithium batteries have 10,000 cycles

2015-03-30 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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Re: [EVDL] ENERDEL Battery Experiences

2015-03-30 Thread robert winfield via EV
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[EVDL] Evenchick's $60 Open-Source CAN Hacking Kit

2015-03-30 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/03/25/hack-a-car-for-60-dollars/ Former Tesla Intern Releases $60 Full Open Source Car Hacking Kit For The Masses Thomas Fox-Brewster 3/25/2015 [image http://blogs-images.forbes.com/thomasbrewster/files/2015/03/Screen-Shot-2015-03-24-at-16.37.20

[EVDL] EVLN: Kia selling Soul EV in GA,TX,OR,WA,HI soon

2015-03-30 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://www.ocbj.com/news/2015/mar/25/kia-sell-soul-ev-beyond-california/ Kia to Sell Soul EV Beyond California Mediha DiMartino March 25, 2015 [image http://ocbj.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2013/10/01/KiaSoul_1001_t620.png 2014 Kia Soul ] Irvine-based Kia Motors America Inc. wi

[EVDL] EVLN: Drove Tesla 4free for 18mo> charge4free, then resold

2015-03-30 Thread brucedp5 via EV
http://venturebeat.com/2015/03/24/this-guy-claims-he-drove-a-tesla-free-for-18-months-heres-how/ This guy claims he drove a Tesla ‘free’ for 18 months. Here’s how March 24, 2015 Stephen Edelstein,GCR ht2 Leonard Van Ryn [images http://i1.wp.com/venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/tesl

Re: [EVDL] ENERDEL Battery Experiences

2015-03-30 Thread Jeff Major via EV
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Re: [EVDL] ENERDEL Battery Experiences

2015-03-30 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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Re: [EVDL] ENERDEL Battery Experiences

2015-03-30 Thread Michael Ross via EV
/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html> >> >> A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. >> *Warren Buffet* >> >> Michael E. Ross >> (919) 585-6737 Land >> (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Google >> Phone

Re: [EVDL] ENERDEL Battery Experiences

2015-03-30 Thread Glen Hoag via EV
nominal/168V max system and 200 AHrs. >>>> So…does anyone have any solid experience using ENERDEL batteries? >>>> ___ >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>>> http://lists.evdl.org

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2015-03-30 Thread Jeff Major via EV
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Re: [EVDL] ENERDEL Battery Experiences

2015-03-30 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 30, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > It is simple: measure the surface area of the car and multiply by the > expected PV efficiency, > then you know why a Solar Racer needs full sun overhead most of the day *and* > be an extreme car > to achieve any speed or range. ..

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 30, 2015, at 1:13 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > There is a case for cars that get used very little (infrequent or very short > drives) and can be parked in full sun > > (like on a parking deck top floor, no trees or other buildings) so you can > gain charge over time, about 5 hou

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Well, it might make sense for the special-case commute where your pack isn't large enough to make a round trip but, with solar panels charging during the day, you "top off" enough to get home. Solves the can't-plug-in-at-work problem too. In fact, you seek the un-coveted parking space that ge

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Yup, People have a big "foot print". But that is a whole 'nother discussion, except that with renewable energy powering the transportation, I am able to reduce my foot print and I chose to do that using an EV and buying green electricity... Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Robert Bruninga via EV
I get about 1 km per hour of top-down-noon sun on a 200 Watt panel. But that only works May to July and only for the center 5 hours of the day. The power drops to virtually zero in December due to the sun angle. Having done it on two cars, It just make no sense once I went solar at home consider

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 30, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > Well, it might make sense for the special-case commute where your pack isn't > large enough to make a round trip but, with solar panels charging during the > day, you "top off" enough to get home. ...and then, when it's cloudy...you're

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Lawrence Harris via EV
Agreed. The 'solar garage' has so many benefits. The placement of the cells can be (more or less) optimized for charging. The panels can be fairly standard ones and so relatively cheaper. The dump pack can provide emergency power for the freezer and other essential items. The space underneath wi

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 30, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > I am able to reduce my foot print and I chose to do that using > an EV and buying green electricity... That's why, when I put a bunch of panels on my roof some years back, I intentionally oversized it so I could power an EV and still

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
I don't speak for Lawrence, but it looks to me as if he's is on a quest. He saw the "Stella" solar vehicle (look it up online) when it came through his area several months back. As you can see from the Stella's website, its builders are flogging the PR donkey hard, hoping to land a deal to ge

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Ben Goren via EV wrote: ...and it's worse than even that. The angle from the Sun to the panels matters a great deal. A panel at right angles to the incoming light receives the maximum amount of energy; a panel parallel to the light receives zero energy. Agreed. There are some tricks, though. S

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 30, 2015, at 1:49 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > I say more power (sorry ;-) to Lawrence and wish him the best. I > wish I lived nearby, so I could watch and cheer him on. There's a big part of me that wants to wish him the best with the project...but there's an even bigger pa

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 30, 2015, at 3:06 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > But overall, the amount of power you can get from the sun in a normal-sized > is very limited. That pretty much forces you to concentrate on vehicle > efficiency. Extremely light, with exceptionally good aerodynamics and very > high efficie

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Yeah, I have considered visiting SF (1 hour away) when Stella came through but had other obligations. 1.5kW solar on Stella means that it will get about 7-8 kWh under optimal conditions in a day and to be able to travel 70km (44 mi) on that energy means that its optimized efficiency is about 170

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
Ben, Don't worry - Lawrence has been around for longer and has done many EVs and he does like to tinker until it works. He once found out that the rear sprocket for an e-motorcycle need to be almost taller than the rear wheel to get a decent torque for climbing SF hills. I am sure that he won't sta

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Mar 30, 2015, at 2:16 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > I am sure that he won't start until things are clearer for him and he is > getting > our input for just that - advice in which direction to go. Well...in that case, my advice would be an awful lot of budgeting -- energy, weight, mon

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle

2015-03-30 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
gy to charge.  On long trips that will probably be unavoidable.  Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150330/872e288c/attachment.htm>

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Rush Dougherty via EV
When I had a full time job (although this J1772 stuff is turning into a full time job...), I'd have to leave around 6:30 - 7 AM and it would be dark out. If I had a EV that depended on PV panels on the EV roof, I'd be stuck at home, maybe not too bad a deal... Rush Tucson AZ > -Original Mess

Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle.

2015-03-30 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Making solar work in a conventional vehicle

2015-03-30 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: I think this is a work in progress. If you remember John Wayland his Blue Meanie and White Zombie have had many revisions. So far Stella& the Solar Taxi are the best examples of viable vehicles. You could start with a moped speed vehicle at 2kw and work your w

Re: [EVDL] Seeking Advice: Reusing the battery modules from a Nissan Leaf

2015-03-30 Thread Jay Summet via EV
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I was searching YouTube and found a new video where a guy disassembled a leaf pack. (He posted it only a week ago, which is why I hadn't found it before.). Good info for anybody looking to do the same: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0dDHJKzX78 J

Re: [EVDL] Making Solar Work in a Conventional Vehicle 30 march 2015

2015-03-30 Thread Jesse Blenn Costa Rica via EV
. it could be a very satisfying experience. Jesse Blenn -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150330/447795ae/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: htt

Re: [EVDL] Seeking Advice: Reusing the battery modules from a Nissan Leaf

2015-03-30 Thread Roland via EV
If you are using the Nissan Leaf Battery Blocks in a vehicle that is large enough to hold the larger 24 module pack, you do not have to disassembled them. I bought three of the larger Nissan Leaf Battery Blocks and just bolted them down on to a chassis plate in the bottom of the batter