Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread Samiya Illias
How is it 'easiest to dismiss'? Samiya Sent from my iPhone On 29-Nov-2013, at 12:32 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/29 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com I understand that so many deities and faith-systems and all the myths and fantasies in them easily put

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/29 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com How is it 'easiest to dismiss'? Because it is an assumption you add... so keep it simple is easier, so as it adds nothing, and explain nothing about how can something exists on its own... well it's easy to dismiss. Quentin Samiya Sent from

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread Samiya Illias
Simple? It takes intelligence and knowledge to write computer program, build a machine, and so on. How can we conclude that the software of life, the creation of the Universe / multiverse, all just happened on its own, and for no purpose? Consider the following: “Behold! In the creation of the

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/29 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com Simple? It takes intelligence and knowledge to write computer program, build a machine, and so on. How can we conclude that the software of life, the creation of the Universe / multiverse, all just happened on its own, and for no purpose? Ask

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread Samiya Illias
Yes, I know we cannot answer that, but that is due to our lack of knowledge and comprehension of God, and not because God is useless or does not exist. God's presence is perceivable through His creation! Denying God won't change anything, but we may miss out on something critically important, to

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/11/29 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com Yes, I know we cannot answer that, but that is due to our lack of knowledge and comprehension of God, and not because God is useless It is. or does not exist. The god you talk about (the christian's one) with the long beard, certainly does

Re: doesn't dark matter falsify general relativity?

2013-11-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Jesse Mazer laserma...@gmail.com wrote: Dark matter behaves pretty convincingly like large clumps of matter that, aside from not interacting with normal matter via non-gravitational forces, obeys the same sort of dynamical laws as any other form of matter, see

Re: doesn't dark matter falsify general relativity?

2013-11-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:57 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: if GR requires dark matter to work, and if we can't observe dark matter, doesn't this mean that GR is falsified? If Dark Matter really

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/11/27 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: All of this demonstrate how little we know about what we are. Yes, I think most

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread Samiya Illias
Just for the record, I do not personify God. It would be simply speculative and unfair of us to imagine any form of God. All I know is how He briefly introduces Himself as the 'noor' or 'spiritual light' of the heavens and earth. (Quran 24:35) Samiya Sent from my iPhone On 29-Nov-2013, at

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
1) Atheists say: Prove to me your existence and I will trust you. God says: Trust me and I will prove to you my existence. Agnostic says: Trust me, neither of you can prove or show the other anything at this point :-) 2) What did the Buddhist say to the atheist pizza chef? Make me one with

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Nov 2013, at 00:58, LizR wrote: On 29 November 2013 03:29, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists. They did invented the God used by both the abramanic cultures (even if terribly deformed, notably by the

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Nov 2013, at 17:01, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: the Christian God who is the most unpleasant character in all of fiction. It really depends on which Christians, which can be very different from one culture to

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Nov 2013, at 15:29, Samiya Illias wrote: Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists. They did invented the God used by both the abramanic cultures (even if terribly deformed, notably by the abandon of science about it, and the use of authoritative arguments,

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 Nov 2013, at 21:19, meekerdb wrote: On 11/28/2013 5:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Nov 2013, at 23:36, meekerdb wrote: On 11/27/2013 7:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Nov 2013, at 18:56, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread spudboy100
I call this, my glass jaw theology. A glass jaw in Boxing is someone who may be a great fighter, but get's knocked out if you hit him in the jaw, hence, a glass jaw as a term. A weakness, a flaw, an Achilles heel. I visualize my theology as a product from a expert glass blower, who produces a

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread Samiya Illias
On 29-Nov-2013, at 10:34 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 28 Nov 2013, at 15:29, Samiya Illias wrote: Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists. They did invented the God used by both the abramanic cultures (even if terribly deformed, notably by

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread Samiya Illias
Bruno wrote: 'But thanks to the discovery of the universal machine I have few doubt that I can prove to you (if patient enough) the existence of all the computations in the arithmetical reality. (I might know that already).' Yes, please, I am very keen. Samiya Sent from my iPhone On

Re: doesn't dark matter falsify general relativity?

2013-11-29 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: why is it assumed that this phenomena is caused by some type of matter? [...] and I'm worrying too much about the word matter... Observations of the Bullet Cluster indicate that whatever this dark stuff is it has

Re: doesn't dark matter falsify general relativity?

2013-11-29 Thread Richard Ruquist
Does the Bullet cluster display any of the characteristics expected of a Dark-Matter-less galaxy such as a spinning galaxy blowing apart.? On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 3:18 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: why

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread meekerdb
On 11/29/2013 1:51 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: Simple? It takes intelligence and knowledge to write computer program, build a machine, and so on. How can we conclude that the software of life, the creation of the Universe / multiverse, all just happened on its own, and for no purpose? I don't

Re: doesn't dark matter falsify general relativity?

2013-11-29 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Does the Bullet cluster display any of the characteristics expected of a Dark-Matter-less galaxy such as a spinning galaxy blowing apart.? For years people have tried to modify the law of gravitation so that it is

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread meekerdb
On 11/29/2013 1:54 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/11/29 Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com mailto:samiyaill...@gmail.com Simple? It takes intelligence and knowledge to write computer program, build a machine, and so on. How can we conclude that the software of life, the

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread meekerdb
On 11/29/2013 2:09 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: Yes, I know we cannot answer that, but that is due to our lack of knowledge and comprehension of God, and not because God is useless or does not exist. God's presence is perceivable through His creation! Denying God won't change anything, but we may

Re: doesn't dark matter falsify general relativity?

2013-11-29 Thread meekerdb
On 11/29/2013 3:18 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:57 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: if GR requires dark matter to work, and if we can't observe dark matter, doesn't this mean that GR

Re: doesn't dark matter falsify general relativity?

2013-11-29 Thread Richard Ruquist
My question has nothing to do with modyfying gravity On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 3:58 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.comwrote: Does the Bullet cluster display any of the characteristics expected of a Dark-Matter-less

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread meekerdb
On 11/29/2013 6:02 AM, Samiya Illias wrote: Just for the record, I do not personify God. It would be simply speculative and unfair of us to imagine any form of God. All I know is how He briefly introduces Himself as the 'noor' or 'spiritual light' of the heavens and earth. (Quran 24:35) Then

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread meekerdb
On 11/29/2013 8:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Nov 2013, at 00:58, LizR wrote: On 29 November 2013 03:29, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com mailto:samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: Bruno wrote: 'I was of course alluding to the greek (neo)platonists. They did invented the God used

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread meekerdb
On 11/29/2013 9:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Nov 2013, at 21:19, meekerdb wrote: On 11/28/2013 5:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Nov 2013, at 23:36, meekerdb wrote: On 11/27/2013 7:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Nov 2013, at 18:56, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at

Re: doesn't dark matter falsify general relativity?

2013-11-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
For years people have tried to modify the law of gravitation so that it is consistent with what we see with our telescopes but it just doesn't work. If you observe the Bullet Cluster what you see is 2 clusters colliding and the regular matter that we can see staying in the center just as we'd

Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment

2013-11-29 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.comwrote: It takes intelligence and knowledge to write computer program, build a machine, and so on. How can we conclude that the software of life, the creation of the Universe / multiverse, all just happened on its own, If