The author of the essay say, definitively, yes.
The original article is here: It is long but it is worth reading, to
see how the myths of modernity generate violence by unrealistic
expectations.
http://standpointmag.co.uk/node/1575/full
2013/12/11, LizR lizj...@gmail.com:
Is this particular
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 9:45 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/10/2013 2:07 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:02 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/9/2013 1:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Dec 2013, at 22:53, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8,
On 10 Dec 2013, at 18:03, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
You're avoiding my question. Why don't you also reject the MWI?
If I am reluctant to answer your question it is because I've already
done so many times in the past, but if you
On 10 Dec 2013, at 20:20, George wrote:
Hi List
I haven't contributed to this list for a while but I thought you
might be interested in this article from the Science Daily on line
magazine
Neural Prosthesis Restores Behavior After Brain Injury
Yes, things progress. Nice to hear of
On 10 Dec 2013, at 20:40, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
This is exactly what UDA shows that comp *leads* to a reduction of
the mind body problem into a body problem in arithmetic.
I don't know what comp
False. You know what
On 10 Dec 2013, at 20:03, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/10/2013 12:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Do you agree that in Helsinki we have:
Probability(I will feel to be a unique guy in an unique city) =
1 (assuming comp and all the default assumptions) ?
It has the same problem. It is just moved
On 10 Dec 2013, at 20:08, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/10/2013 12:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2013, at 23:28, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/9/2013 12:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:57 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 12/9/2013 12:44 AM, LizR wrote:
On 9
On 10 Dec 2013, at 23:38, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Thanks for the clarification.
You are welcome.
But for what refer to the questions i
asked, I find that my initial assumptions are broadly correct. I find
the platonism of the UDA very different from the Platonism of Plato.
It is more
On 11 Dec 2013, at 02:23, LizR wrote:
On 10 December 2013 09:06, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
Bell's theorm proves that local hidden variables are impossible
which leaves only two remaining explanations that explain the EPR
paradox:
1. Non-local, faster-than-light, relativity
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 1:32 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/10/2013 10:47 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:19 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/10/2013 9:49 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 9:53 PM, meekerdb
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 6:03 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
You're avoiding my question. Why don't you also reject the MWI?
If I am reluctant to answer your question it is because I've already done
so many times
Not a bad achievement.
Instead, the hypothesis that the living beings compute in order to
solve evolutionary pressures is closer to the Plato world of ideas, Or
specifically, the Plato-Aristotle syntesis of Thomas Aquinas. and also
closer to dig knowledge for living, that it , at last, the
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Simulations back up *theory* that Universe is a
hologramhttps://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.nature.com/news/simulations-back-up-theory-that-universe-is-a-hologram-1.14328ct=gacd=MTczMjg0OTQyMjEzNjkyMjczMDgcad=CAEYAAusg=AFQjCNFX7DsTVuX6awgQtZQ3vRNhuhyrZQ
Nature.com
At a black hole, Albert
That hateful subject, metaphysics
To deal with consciousness and experiences,
which are mental, not physical, you have to go
to that hateful subject, metaphysics, and
only Leibniz has a good account of the perceiver,
which is the experiencer not available to materialism.
If you still believe
http://nocorrecto.blogspot.com.es/2011/11/why-women-like-bags-and-shoes-but-only.html
2013/12/11, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com:
Not a bad achievement.
Instead, the hypothesis that the living beings compute in order to
solve evolutionary pressures is closer to the Plato world of
Leibniz on sensory experience
Leibniz maintained that all causation is mental.
This appears to contradict sensory experiences such as being
pricked by a pin, for the cause of the experience would seem
to originate in the body with the prick.
There are a number of resolutions to this
Alberto,
I agree with what you say below.
In fact evolution needs arguably to presuppose computationalism.
Computationalism explains that we have to extend the idea of evolution
to the origin and development of the physical objects and laws, which
will be used later by evolution. The laws
Bruno: but the human will say yes to the doctor anyway, and without
thinking to much
on the theoretical consequences of the possible survival.
Richard: I would always say no to the doctor because of the no-cloning
theorem.
I read your recent paper where you discuss how comp circumvents that
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 3:49 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Then you can't say that you will survive anything. We die at each instant
OK, but then you can't say that survival is important, or that the word
means much of anything at all.
and comp is made trivial,
'Comp is not
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 5:40 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote:
We always feel that we are a single person
Yes but the copy that walked out of the duplicating chamber with you (or
perhaps you are the copy and he is the original, no way to tell and no
reason to care) also feels like
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But that's the beauty of consciousness theories, we can detect
consciousness only in ourselves so there are no observed features that a
consciousness theory must explain,
Actually there are some observed features. A sharp blow to
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Determinism is far from well established.
It's a basic assumption in almost every scientific theory.
In the most important theory in physics, Quantum Mechanics, no such
assumption is made, and despite a century
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 11:58 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Determinism is far from well established.
It's a basic assumption in almost every scientific theory.
In the most important theory in
On 12/11/2013 12:22 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
The author of the essay say, definitively, yes.
The original article is here: It is long but it is worth reading, to
see how the myths of modernity generate violence by unrealistic
expectations.
http://standpointmag.co.uk/node/1575/full
True,
On 12/11/2013 12:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 9:45 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/10/2013 2:07 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:02 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/9/2013 1:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Dec 2013, at
On 12/11/2013 12:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Dec 2013, at 20:20, George wrote:
Hi List
I haven't contributed to this list for a while but I thought you might be interested in
this article from theScience Daily http://www.sciencedaily.com/ on line magazine
Neural Prosthesis Restores
On 12/11/2013 1:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Dec 2013, at 20:08, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/10/2013 12:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2013, at 23:28, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/9/2013 12:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:57 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
Brent: *W h a t* consciousness? would you please describe your take
(observing the caveat of Liz)?
Whatever I could deduce from different peoples' (authors') mumblings (the
contents?) boiled down in my 'generealization' to *RESPONSE TO RELATIONS *-
no animal (human?) connotation, thinking, or
*Yes - to the doctor?* I was always kept aback from agreeing, because I
still believe to have included M O R E in my mind (brainfunctions, as you
say) then whatever that good doctor and his device may supply. So I
consider a mechanical substitution to the 'living' (what is it?)
capabilities a
On 12/11/2013 2:07 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 1:32 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/10/2013 10:47 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:19 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
On 12/11/2013 1:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 11 Dec 2013, at 02:23, LizR wrote:
On 10 December 2013 09:06, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com
mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
Bell's theorm proves that local hidden variables are impossible which
leaves only
two remaining
On 11 December 2013 17:34, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/10/2013 7:42 PM, LizR wrote:
On 11 December 2013 10:24, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/10/2013 11:54 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:33 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
One needs a
ISTM that Yes Doctor sums up comp. If a digital brain made below my
substitution level *can* substitute for my organic one, then I literally
have a 50% chance of waking up as the digital version.
However if the Subst Level is quantum, no cloning stops it being actually
possible. Although in this
On 11 December 2013 22:26, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 11 Dec 2013, at 02:23, LizR wrote:
On 10 December 2013 09:06, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
Bell's theorm proves that local hidden variables are impossible which
leaves only two remaining explanations that
Whit episodic periods of massacres, genocides and other massive
crimes, he would have added. I recommend you to add this to your
mantra.
these little inconveniences are what I was talking about in the last
paragrah. But this is not the main point.. I recommend to read the
article, that is the key
On 12/11/2013 12:56 PM, LizR wrote:
On 11 December 2013 17:34, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 12/10/2013 7:42 PM, LizR wrote:
On 11 December 2013 10:24, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/10/2013
On 12/11/2013 1:18 PM, LizR wrote:
ISTM that Yes Doctor sums up comp. If a digital brain made below my substitution level
/can/ substitute for my organic one, then I literally have a 50% chance of waking up as
the digital version.
However if the Subst Level is quantum, no cloning stops it
On 12/11/2013 9:26 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But that's the beauty of consciousness theories, we can detect
consciousness
only in ourselves so there are no observed features that a
On 12/11/2013 1:32 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Whit episodic periods of massacres, genocides and other massive
crimes, he would have added. I recommend you to add this to your
mantra.
Yes, religious wars and genocides based on theology. That's why Dacey referred to
post-Christian europe.
On 12 December 2013 08:47, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
True, secular values can turn a civilization inside out. In
post-Christian Europe, entire nations have been plunged into endemic
health, skyrocketing education and hopelessly low rates of violent crime.
--- Austin Dacey, NY
On 12 December 2013 11:49, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/11/2013 1:32 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Whit episodic periods of massacres, genocides and other massive
crimes, he would have added. I recommend you to add this to your
mantra.
Yes, religious wars and genocides based
On 12/11/2013 4:14 PM, LizR wrote:
On 12 December 2013 11:49, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 12/11/2013 1:32 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Whit episodic periods of massacres, genocides and other massive
crimes, he would have added. I
On 12 December 2013 11:25, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/11/2013 1:18 PM, LizR wrote:
ISTM that Yes Doctor sums up comp. If a digital brain made below my
substitution level *can* substitute for my organic one, then I literally
have a 50% chance of waking up as the digital
On 12 December 2013 11:20, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/11/2013 12:56 PM, LizR wrote:
Not exactly. Consciousness has been *defined* as a bundle of sensory
impressions - I think this was originally David Hume - but it has also
been defined as something else, which I guess would
On 12 December 2013 13:28, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
The party as such represents the point of view of a positive
Christianity without binding itself to any one particular
confession.
Adolf Hitler, in the Nazi manifesto:
Wow, some very nice quotes there, I didn't
On 12 December 2013 08:57, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I don't disagree with any of that. But by providing a with an id prior to
the fork and then testing after the fork you are effectively modeling a
soul that is not duplicated but rather belongs to one of the copies and
not the
I can never work out where this hologram is. (Or is there no is for it to
be at?)
On 12 December 2013 00:27, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote:
Simulations back up *theory* that Universe is a
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 2:39 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/11/2013 2:07 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 1:32 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/10/2013 10:47 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:19 AM, meekerdb
I wanna get metaphysicsal.
On 12 December 2013 00:37, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
That hateful subject, metaphysics
To deal with consciousness and experiences,
which are mental, not physical, you have to go
to that hateful subject, metaphysics, and
only Leibniz has a good
Liz,
In forking MWI worlds, your ID is constantly changing as it depends on
various quantum states.
Your detailed nature is never duplicated. Every fork is a change from your
previous state.
If comp supports MWI, why should your ID ever stay the same
since you are constantly forking with or
On 12 December 2013 11:53, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12 December 2013 11:25, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/11/2013 1:18 PM, LizR wrote:
ISTM that Yes Doctor sums up comp. If a digital brain made below my
substitution level can substitute for my organic one, then I
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 10:24 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Comp is the belief (hope, assumption, theory) that you can survive when
saying yes to a doctor who proposed to you a digital computer brain
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 1:57 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/11/2013 12:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 9:45 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/10/2013 2:07 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:02 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
Thanks Bruno. As I understand it step 8's movie-graph argument is making a
point similar to the implementation problem chalmers discusses in the
paper at http://consc.net/papers/rock.html -- basically the problem is that
there seems to be no good way to decide whether a given physical system
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