Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 4:55 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:02 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013 12:53 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Dec 2013, at 20:55, meekerdb wrote: On 12/22/2013 5:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Dec 2013, at 23:28, meekerdb wrote: On 12/21/2013 1:26 AM, Jason Resch wrote: If there exists a mathematical theorem that requires a countable infinity of integers to represent, no finite version

Re: Bruno's mathematical reality

2013-12-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Dec 2013, at 21:00, meekerdb wrote: On 12/22/2013 5:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Dec 2013, at 01:00, Edgar Owen wrote: Hi John, First thanks for the complement on my post! To address your points. Of course we do have some knowledge of reality. We have to have to be able to

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Dec 2013, at 19:48, John Clark wrote: Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: That's a great answer but unfortunately it's NOT a answer to the question John Clark asked, the question never asked anything about the 3p view, it was never mentioned. So John Clark will repeat the

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Dec 2013, at 10:29, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 4:55 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:34 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:02 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2013

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-23 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: I will try to answer for Bruno as I think I understand what he means. The number is equal to the number of entities that have a first person experience. I know that, what I don't know is what number Bruno

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-23 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrot The question is ambiguous. If the question is ambiguous it is because I used YOUR phrase the first person experiences viewed from their first person points of view ! If your phrase means anything you should be able to

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/23 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrot The question is ambiguous. If the question is ambiguous it is because I used YOUR phrase the first person experiences viewed from their first person points of view ! If

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/23 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: He did answer and did it correctly, I somehow missed that post. What number did Bruno give? Buy some pair of eyes and come back here. Liar Clark is dodging questions

God or not?

2013-12-23 Thread Edgar L. Owen
All, The question of whether God exists is meaningless without first giving some definition of what is meant by God, of how God is defined. Otherwise everyone is talking about different things and nothing will go anywhere. If you need a God there is only one possible rational definition and

Re: Bruno's mathematical reality

2013-12-23 Thread meekerdb
On 12/23/2013 6:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: In terms of measure aren't there infinitely more non-terminating programs than terminating? Both are enumerable, although not recursively enumerable. Even so, one can be much bigger than the other by most measures. But the measure is not on

Re: God or not?

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/23 Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net All, The question of whether God exists is meaningless without first giving some definition of what is meant by God, of how God is defined. Otherwise everyone is talking about different things and nothing will go anywhere. If you need a God there

Posting problems

2013-12-23 Thread Edgar L. Owen
I've set option of getting all posts as emails which seems to be working OK I think. But when I reply to a post via my Mac mail it never seems to get posted to the group. Also I tried starting several new topics via Mac mail by simply using a new subject line however none of either type of post

Re: Posting problems

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Hi, I'm using gmail and it works flawlessly. Just check when replying that the address is set to everything-list@googlegroups.com (it should normally default to that as the Reply-To header is set to that address). Regards, Quentin 2013/12/23 Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net I've set option of

Re: Bruno's mathematical reality

2013-12-23 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Bruno, Thanks for your comments. However I think you are coming at Reality from the POV of human logico-mathematical theory whose results you are trying to impose on reality. My approach is to closely examine reality and then try to figure out how it works and what ITS innate rules and

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-23 Thread meekerdb
On 12/23/2013 9:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Crypto-currencies, like cryptography, can surely help to save the freedom of privacy and privateness. Crypto-currencies does not need to be a pyramidal con, like Quentin suspects. They just allowed to create new independent banks which can do their

A simple incontrovertible proof there are two kinds of time and a couple of implications

2013-12-23 Thread Edgar L. Owen
All, The proof is simply the fact that the time traveling twins meet up again with different clock times, but always in the exact same present moment. This proves beyond any doubt there are two kinds of time, clock time which varies by relativistic observer, and the time of the present moment

Re: Bruno's mathematical reality

2013-12-23 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Craig, All this is explained in my book on Reality available on Amazon. The key insight to several of your questions is covered in Part IV: Mind and Reality. Basically the world we think we live in with shapes, colors, flavors and feelings etc. (various types of qualia) is actually a model of

Re: Bruno's mathematical reality

2013-12-23 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Brent, I don't avoid infinities but Reality does. When one understands what infinities are and how they are defined as an unending and uncompletable process of addition it is quite clear that nothing physical can be infinite. As I've posted in other replies Reality is a computational system

The 'Fire' that animates the logic - reply to Stephen

2013-12-23 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Stephen, A very important point which I cover extensively in my book, but rather subtle to grasp. Reality clearly exists. There is something really here now and actual and happening. The totality of that is defined as reality and I refer to its 'stuff' (non-physical but real and actual) as an

Re: Posting problems

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Or maybe your SMTP server that your email program is using is somehow rejected by googlegroups or by SPF... Do you correctly use the smtp server associated with your domain email (att.net) ? SPF http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework can prevent email from being sent correctly if

Re: Posting problems

2013-12-23 Thread Edgar L. Owen
I'm using my email edgaro...@att.net for this group but I connect to the net via Optimum Online, a cable co. which provides my internet service, rather than ATT. But I do the same thing with all my yahoo groups and it works just fine. Do you think that might be the problem? If so it would be

Re: God or not?

2013-12-23 Thread meekerdb
On 12/23/2013 10:55 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/12/23 Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net mailto:edgaro...@att.net All, The question of whether God exists is meaningless without first giving some definition of what is meant by God, of how God is defined. Otherwise everyone is

Re: Posting problems

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
It's not a problem of signing up, it is a problem of using the correct SMTP server to send an email with your address in from header. You must use the SMTP server of att.net to send an email with a from address of att.net . Quentin 2013/12/23 Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net I'm using my email

Re: God or not?

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/23 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net On 12/23/2013 10:55 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/12/23 Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net All, The question of whether God exists is meaningless without first giving some definition of what is meant by God, of how God is defined. Otherwise

Re: A simple incontrovertible proof there are two kinds of time and a couple of implications

2013-12-23 Thread meekerdb
On 12/23/2013 11:10 AM, Edgar L. Owen wrote: All, The proof is simply the fact that the time traveling twins meet up again with different clock times, but always in the exact same present moment. This proves beyond any doubt there are two kinds of time, clock time which varies by relativistic

Re: God or not?

2013-12-23 Thread meekerdb
On 12/23/2013 11:33 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/12/23 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net On 12/23/2013 10:55 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/12/23 Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net mailto:edgaro...@att.net All, The question of whether God

Re: Posting problems

2013-12-23 Thread Richard Ruquist
I post and receive via google email. My only complaint is that I cannot intersperse in others posts as is the practice here. Richard On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: I've set option of getting all posts as emails which seems to be working OK I think. But

Re: Posting problems

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/23 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com I post and receive via google email. My only complaint is that I cannot intersperse in others posts as is the practice here. You can, I'm using gmail for posting right now, just click on the three dots ... when replying, that will display the

Re: Posting problems

2013-12-23 Thread Richard Ruquist
Quentin, Your 3dot method does not work for me. Richard On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/12/23 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com I post and receive via google email. My only complaint is that I cannot intersperse in others posts as is the

Re: God or not?

2013-12-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote: All, The question of whether God exists is meaningless without first giving some definition of what is meant by God, of how God is defined. Otherwise everyone is talking about different things and nothing will go

Re: Posting problems

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/23 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com Quentin, Your 3dot method does not work for me. It works for everyone using gmail, just click on the dots... Quentin Richard On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/12/23 Richard Ruquist

Re: Posting problems

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/23 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com Quentin, Your 3dot method does not work for me. Richard On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/12/23 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com I post and receive via google email. My only complaint is that I

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:12 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/23/2013 9:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Crypto-currencies, like cryptography, can surely help to save the freedom of privacy and privateness. Crypto-currencies does not need to be a pyramidal con, like Quentin

Privacy

2013-12-23 Thread John Mikes
List-Friends of diverse linguistic origins: is there in another language a WORD meaning the same idiosyncrasy as what the USA p r i v a c y indeed covers? I know of none in German, Hungarian, Latin, French, Russian but maybe my 'second' vocabularies are defcient. I also wonder whether in the

Re: Privacy

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Hi, I would translate privacy in french by Intimité or Vie privée. Regards, Quentin 2013/12/23 John Mikes jami...@gmail.com List-Friends of diverse linguistic origins: is there in another language a WORD meaning the same idiosyncrasy as what the USA p r i v a c y indeed covers? I know of

Re: Privacy

2013-12-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi John, On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 10:18 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: List-Friends of diverse linguistic origins: is there in another language a WORD meaning the same idiosyncrasy as what the USA p r i v a c y indeed covers? In Portuguese, the most common word is privacidade, which

Re: Privacy

2013-12-23 Thread John Mikes
Quentin, thanks, but both 'intimité' or 'Vie privée' have their proper (different) translations in English. You would not defend by law (constitution?) you intimité. JohnM On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I would translate privacy in french by

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-23 Thread meekerdb
On 12/23/2013 12:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:12 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/23/2013 9:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Crypto-currencies, like cryptography, can surely help to save the freedom of privacy and

Re: Privacy

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/23 John Mikes jami...@gmail.com Quentin, thanks, but both 'intimité' or 'Vie privée' have their proper (different) translations in English. You would not defend by law (constitution?) you intimité. Yes, you can use it for that... but you would mostly use Vie privée, but Intimité is

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/12/23 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net On 12/23/2013 12:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:12 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/23/2013 9:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Crypto-currencies, like cryptography, can surely help to save the freedom of privacy

Re: Privacy

2013-12-23 Thread John Mikes
Telmo, thanks. Does 'sigilo' not come from the Latin word for 'sign' (sigillum)? which I would trace through its way of 'expression of' rather than the American privacy-crase.Your translations are OK, if you use the translational ways I wanted to veryfy in their REAL format. I would not divert

Yes, my book 'Reality' does cover quantum reality.

2013-12-23 Thread Edgar L. Owen
All, Someone asked somewhere if I cover quantum theory in my book. Yes, I do. The entire 'Part III: Elementals' of the book covers reality at its finest scale, the quantum world. I'll summarize here but can only gloss over some of the main points. As stated before reality, at its most

Re: Yes, my book 'Reality' does cover quantum reality.

2013-12-23 Thread spudboy100
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Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 5:02 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/23/2013 12:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:12 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/23/2013 9:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Crypto-currencies, like cryptography, can surely help to

Re: Yes, my book 'Reality' does cover quantum reality.

2013-12-23 Thread Edgar L. Owen
Thanks for purchasing it. Note that in the Kindle edition the Title page and table of contents formatting is a little screwed up but the text seems OK. Edgar On Monday, December 23, 2013 7:15:13 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: All, Someone asked somewhere if I cover quantum theory in my

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-23 Thread meekerdb
On 12/23/2013 6:54 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 5:02 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/23/2013 12:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:12 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 10:22 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/23/2013 6:54 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 5:02 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/23/2013 12:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:12 PM, meekerdb

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

2013-12-23 Thread meekerdb
On 12/23/2013 8:57 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 10:22 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/23/2013 6:54 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 5:02 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net