RE: roots of polynomials

2014-03-30 Thread Chris de Morsella
Looked at them as well. so much emergent complexity from such simple initial conditions and equations. Beautiful haunting images. From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 6:15 PM To:

RE: [foar] Amoeba's Secret now available in paperback

2014-03-29 Thread Chris de Morsella
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Standish Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 12:03 AM Yes, although I think you get (easier) second chances with programming. LOL that you do. though in many big

RE: [foar] Amoeba's Secret now available in paperback

2014-03-28 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 5:24 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [foar] Amoeba's Secret now available in paperback On 28 March 2014 05:28, Chris de Morsella cdemorse

RE: [foar] Amoeba's Secret now available in paperback

2014-03-27 Thread Chris de Morsella
Thanks Russell, just ordered a copy as well. It will dovetail in nicely with Max Tegmark's book, about to embark on Chapter 12 into the meat of his argument; wish I had more time to finish it a single read. Going by your sig I suspect you will get it. am in the middle of a spot of pretty intense

RE: [foar] Amoeba's Secret now available in paperback

2014-03-27 Thread Chris de Morsella
Of LizR Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 12:05 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [foar] Amoeba's Secret now available in paperback Programming sounds like cookery. On 27 March 2014 19:35, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks Russell, just ordered a copy

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-21 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 9:10 PM Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 3/21/2014 9:59 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:24

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread Chris de Morsella
it, you already are. And you should have been a propagandist, but then come to think of it you already are. Asshole. Chris de Morsella John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-19 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com I heartily agree, but I was focusing on technological remediation for AGW, for energy, etc. I am against the management of people by government edict. Yes, computer and

RE: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-18 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:58 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

RE: Gravity Wave Signature Discovered

2014-03-18 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR You might also like to see Chris de Morsella's post. I'm not sure how to link to it but the title is First direct evidence of cosmic inflation Here is the link:

RE: First direct evidence of cosmic inflation

2014-03-18 Thread Chris de Morsella
, how long for etc, yet?) On 18 March 2014 09:26, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140317125850.htm First direct evidence of cosmic inflation Date: March 17, 2014 Source: Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics Summary

RE: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-18 Thread Chris de Morsella
support for Soros; if you cannot I wonder if you have the courage to admit your error. Chris -Original Message- From: Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Mar 17, 2014 12:56 pm Subject: RE: New NASA study predicts high

RE: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-17 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alberto G. Corona My only doubt is how long it will take to convert this discussion list, once devoted to science and (some) philosophy, into a pure mambo-jambo babble of left liberals new

RE: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-17 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alberto G. Corona Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 8:48 AM To: everything-list Subject: Re: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization An excellent piece of

Re: First direct evidence of cosmic inflation

2014-03-17 Thread Chris de Morsella
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140317125850.htm First direct evidence of cosmic inflation Date: March 17, 2014 Source: Harvard–Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics Summary: Almost 14 billion years ago, the universe we inhabit burst into existence in an extraordinary event that

RE: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-16 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR If we could just get away from one planet ... but the difficulty is, well, astronomical. Before now we could always leave the place where disaster struck, move from the valley where the

RE: The Dalai Lama's Ski Trip

2014-03-16 Thread Chris de Morsella
accusations, and were never prosecuted. So, as a matter of fact FDR actually did have something to fear other than fear itself.. J Power is a deadly business for sure. On 16 March 2014 06:48, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: You know I love the french (a bit cynical) poem

RE: Quick video about materialism

2014-03-16 Thread Chris de Morsella
level deeper. Think about it and your brain has already beat you to it and supplied you with the answer you thought you thought. Our brain is always one step ahead of us. Smells like emergence to me. Chris de Morsella -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you

RE: The Dalai Lama's Ski Trip

2014-03-16 Thread Chris de Morsella
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:31 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Dalai Lama's Ski Trip On 15 Mar 2014, at 18:48, Chris de Morsella

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-16 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:37 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com

RE: The Dalai Lama's Ski Trip

2014-03-16 Thread Chris de Morsella
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 2:14 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Dalai Lama's Ski Trip On 16 Mar 2014, at 09:13, Chris de Morsella

The best education money can buy.

2014-03-15 Thread Chris de Morsella
Despite Canadian support for tar sands oil projects and the Keystone XL pipeline falling to 52 percent in December from 68 percent in April, the decision to include the oil and gas companies in early education is supported by Education Minister Jeff Johnson. Johnson believes that in order 'to

RE: The best education money can buy.

2014-03-15 Thread Chris de Morsella
souls such as Giordano Bruno, Copernicus, Galileo began to shake the Aristotelian edifice. On 15 March 2014 19:25, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: Despite Canadian support for tar sands oil projects and the Keystone XL pipeline falling to 52 percent in December from 68 percent

RE: The best education money can buy.

2014-03-15 Thread Chris de Morsella
majors public relations departments. On 15 March 2014 19:25, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: Despite Canadian support for tar sands oil projects and the Keystone XL pipeline falling to 52 percent in December from 68 percent in April, the decision to include the oil

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-15 Thread Chris de Morsella
...@googlegroups.com javascript: Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Chris de Morsella cdemo...@yahoo.com javascript: wrote: 66 million years ago 2/3 of all species, not individual animals but entire species, became extinct

RE: New NASA study predicts high probability of collapse of industrial civilization

2014-03-15 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Edgar L. Owen All, this seems like a very reasonable scenario and is in line with my thinking.. Edgar Without wishing for it – nobody (except, the Doomerist lunatic fringe perhaps,

RE: The Dalai Lama's Ski Trip

2014-03-15 Thread Chris de Morsella
You know I love the french (a bit cynical) poem: 'man had the good, but he sought the best, he found the bad, and kept it, by fear of the worst.' Kind regards, Bruno Nice... I mean bad :) Fear becomes, within the hidden unexamined recesses of mind, a self-driving psychological mechanism,

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-14 Thread Chris de Morsella
, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: 66 million years ago 2/3 of all species, not individual animals but entire species, became extinct quite literally overnight, and 252 million years ago it was even worse, the extinction rate was 90%. What we're experiencing now is not even a burp

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-12 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark On Behalf Of LizR I must admit I've heard the extinction rate is way higher than usual - asteroid / methane burp high. (Although if it's us or them, as I said, that's a different

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-12 Thread Chris de Morsella
inspired stream of consciousness. I wouldn’t expect anything less of you; nor more…. And that’s the rub now, isn’t it? Chris -Original Message- From: Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Mar 12, 2014 1:00 am Subject: RE

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread Chris de Morsella
into the mirror. Chris On 11 March 2014 15:59, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Since I have been on the list longer then you I ask are you here to enforce progressive

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread Chris de Morsella
your particular brand of Ayn Rand addled ideology?  Chris -Original Message- From: Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Mar 11, 2014 11:39 am Subject: RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating   From

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread Chris de Morsella
a search for truth, and sometimes it's about a search for a research grant.  Scientists ARE observing and documenting the rate of extinction silly fellow. You do not get to choose your own facts, spudboy (or whomever you are). Chris -Original Message- From: Chris de Morsella cdemorse

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread Chris de Morsella
accepting that you are wrong about this. Chris -Original Message- From: Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Mar 11, 2014 2:41 pm Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating         From: spudboy

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: spudboy...@aol.com spudboy...@aol.com I hopefully, wouldn't think that there's a tea party or libertarian view of science. The libertarians, unless I am wrong, are 100% pro-science, many atheists, and all that. Your 1 extinction rate claim appears

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com Well, a-Popin is a bit of a giveaway :-) Amen... and praise be :) On 12 March 2014 12:14, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: From: spudboy...@aol.com spudboy...@aol.com

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread Chris de Morsella
cannot partake of you Green Rites Church, but rest assured,I do read the literature. Are you a bible thumper? Certainly helps explain your gross ignorance of the scientific method. Chris -Original Message- From: Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com To: everything-list everything-list

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread Chris de Morsella
-Original Message- From: Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com From: spudboy...@aol.com spudboy...@aol.com Yes indeed! And the acid rain is a-pouring down, and everyone's face is a-sizzlin and a-popin from the sulphur, and the Ozone hole is a-lettin in the gamma rays, and the BP

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-11 Thread Chris de Morsella
Party inspired stream of consciousness. I wouldn't expect anything less of you; nor more.. And that's the rub now, isn't it? Chris -Original Message- From: Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-10 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 7:47 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating I understood, what you were going

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-10 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Since I have been on the list longer then you I ask are you here to enforce progressive ideology? If you're pissed off, that's not my fault, that is your own. I was just

RE: The way the future was

2014-03-10 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Platonist Guitar Cowboy Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 6:14 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The way the future was On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 12:59 AM, chris peck

RE: [foar] Amoeba's Secret, by Bruno Marchal available from Kindle store

2014-03-09 Thread Chris de Morsella
I am waiting for Russell to give the thumbs up on the print version - I still prefer print for some things like books. Cheers, Chris From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Platonist Guitar Cowboy Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 3:59 PM

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-09 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Liz, you are doing the same thing, Chris does, which, when confronted with someone who disagrees with their world view, hurls snarky accusations. This is not a good thing, but

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-09 Thread Chris de Morsella
de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: I not only know they're very violent I know why they're violent. If government made chocolate bars illegal the demand for chocolate bars would not end and organizations would come into existence to fill that demand. And the underground Hershey candy

RE: The way the future was

2014-03-09 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ghib...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 10:31 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The way the future was On Saturday, March 8, 2014 9:09:32 PM UTC, Liz R wrote: On 9

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-09 Thread Chris de Morsella
Yah. Its way too late. You have gotten me reflecting on the old saying by Tip Oneil, who said All politics is local. I would paraphrase this and say all politics is personel. I can observe two things, despite my diminished capacity. One is that the climate is not behaving at all like you

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-08 Thread Chris de Morsella
endure and will not last. We either adapt or we die; it really is as stark as that. Chris de Morsella John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-08 Thread Chris de Morsella
. that Ayn Rand blood stew smothered in a rich topping of greed. Chris de Morsella John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-08 Thread Chris de Morsella
If only we all thought like you, the world would be fixed, eh? Or, if the climate change doesn't fit all the models, that have been proposed by the IPCC, then all we have to do is wait? Come on spudboy – or whatever your real name is – do you really believe your own emotional outburst?

RE: Vehiculus automobilius

2014-03-07 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Craig Weinberg Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:46 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Vehiculus automobilius If the doctor became more ambitious, and decided to replace a species

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-07 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 1:20 PM Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-07 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com extinction rate is already 10,000 times the average background rate; Chris, this is an artificial rate, as useless, except to Greens, as events cause extinctions, not

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 1:17 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating This is certainly one subject on which I

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2014 10:48 AM Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 3:43 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: they

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2014 11:55 AM Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread Chris de Morsella
, but the efficiency with which we heat, cool and light our buildings (both residential, industrial and commercial) -- This is a case of apples and oranges. Chris -Original Message- From: Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Mar 5, 2014 4

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread Chris de Morsella
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 3:43 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: they seem to mostly have a religious belief in free market capitalism, despite there never having been such a thing Actually there has been, the black-market. Really I am laughing out loud -- for real. John I would love to

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: spudboy...@aol.com spudboy...@aol.com Chris, at some point we must ask basic questions, such as, do the toilets flush, and do the lights come on? We are not, I believe, speaking here about Bruno's UDA, versus Tegmark's MUH, but how well our

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-06 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 9:39 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 3/6/2014 10:40 AM, John Clark wrote:

Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-05 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2014 7:39 AM Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-05 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:05 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: There are over 7 billion people on the planet, never before in the history of the Earth has a large animal (over

RE: [foar] Amoeba's Secret, by Bruno Marchal available from Kindle store

2014-03-04 Thread Chris de Morsella
Thanks. I will look for the paperback version towards the end of this month. Chris From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 12:16 AM To: f...@googlegroups.com; everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject:

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-04 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 4:40 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On 5 March 2014 09:56, spudboy...@aol.com

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-03 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: With power stations you don't need to worry about the same factors (energy density etc) but you do need

RE: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-03-02 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 11:37 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from? On 2 March 2014 20:28, Chris de Morsella cdemorse

RE: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-03-02 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR On 2 March 2014 21:05, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree that it does not reach the level of an explanation, but am toying with how it could be a mechanism by which

RE: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-03-02 Thread Chris de Morsella
:16, Chris de Morsella wrote: If it's all math, then where does math come from? Strange to say, elementary maths just appears to be a fact. That is, it is a fact that 1+1=2. Somehow I do not find that satisfying; in what way and by what evidence does this occur? Especially - as I had

RE: The solar example of a town in Germany

2014-03-02 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Platonist Guitar Cowboy Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 4:51 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The solar example of a town in Germany Trans-Atlantic Free Trade Agreement comes to

RE: The solar example of a town in Germany

2014-03-02 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 7:39 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The solar example of a town in Germany On 3 March 2014 15:33, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com

RE: The solar example of a town in Germany

2014-03-02 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 8:26 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The solar example of a town in Germany On 3/2/2014 8:20 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote: From

RE: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-03-01 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 12:23 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from? On 01 Mar 2014, at 06:16, Chris de

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-01 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: Who cares about gravimetric density? Evidently you don't; that much is clear. The automobile

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-01 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 2:00 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Since this thread is about Fukushima, can I

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-03-01 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 3:18 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating Occupy was a Soros funded org

RE: The solar example of a town in Germany

2014-03-01 Thread Chris de Morsella
leak, in the American Southwest, at the plutonium waste storage facility. -Original Message- From: Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 3:39 pm Subject: Re: The solar example of a town in Germany

RE: The solar example of a town in Germany

2014-03-01 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of spudboy...@aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 3:38 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The solar example of a town in Germany You need to power all civilization, once the

RE: The solar example of a town in Germany

2014-03-01 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 10:30 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The solar example of a town in Germany On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 4:07 AM, Chris de Morsella

RE: The Dalai Lama's Ski Trip

2014-03-01 Thread Chris de Morsella
From The Dalai Lama http://www.slate.com/articles/life/culturebox/2014/02/dalai_lama_at_a_santa _fe_ski_resort_tells_waitress_the_meaning_of_life.single.html 's Ski Trip: The Slate article is a pretty funny read this is its final passage; which I think brings a certain perspective to everything

RE: The solar example of a town in Germany

2014-03-01 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 6:14 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The solar example of a town in Germany On 2 March 2014 14:01, Chris de Morsella cdemorse

RE: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-03-01 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 1:31 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from? On 3/1/2014 12:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

RE: The solar example of a town in Germany

2014-03-01 Thread Chris de Morsella
in the reality of physical limits on our small blue green dot then there is not much I can do to help you. Chris -Original Message- From: Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: 01-Mar-2014 20:01:11 + Subject: RE: The solar

RE: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-03-01 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 12:44 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from? On 01 Mar 2014, at 07:16, Chris de

RE: The solar example of a town in Germany

2014-03-01 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Speaking of which, Heinlein would have loved this: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap140302.html I grok that One of the best words ever invented* - IMO -thank you Heinlein. Chris

RE: The solar example of a town in Germany

2014-03-01 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 11:14 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The solar example of a town in Germany On 3/1/2014 10:59 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote

RE: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-03-01 Thread Chris de Morsella
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 9:22 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from? On 3/1/2014 7:54 PM,

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-28 Thread Chris de Morsella
, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: Well if you can store 61 times more energy, that just means there's room for improvement in the existing batteries... Good news, if nature was able to do it so can we I hope. Zinc-air batteries, [...] offers about twice the gravimetric density Who

RE: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-02-28 Thread Chris de Morsella
If it's all math, then where does math come from? Strange to say, elementary maths just appears to be a fact. That is, it is a fact that 1+1=2. Somehow I do not find that satisfying; in what way and by what evidence does this occur? Especially - as I had posited if math is the

RE: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-02-28 Thread Chris de Morsella
Or it comes from our conceptualizing the world as consisting of distinct objects and counting them, c.f. William S. Cooper The Origin of Reason and Lakoff and Nunez Where Mathematics Comes From. In that case math would emerge from our conscious minds -- growing out of our making sense of the

RE: The solar example of a town in Germany

2014-02-28 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR On 1 March 2014 04:59, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: It does. You cannot fake electricity. You cannot fake electric current. If you are depending on solar power for 20% of your electricity

RE: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-02-28 Thread Chris de Morsella
Personally the notion that all that exists is comp information - encoded on what though? - Is not especially troubling for me. I understand how some cling to a fundamental material realism; after all it does seem so very real. However when you get right down to it all we have is measured

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-28 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 10:34 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 6:42 PM,

RE: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-02-28 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Edgar L. Owen Chris, For a computational universe to even exist it must be consistently logico-mathematical. If it weren't the inconsistencies would cause it to tear itself apart and thus

RE: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

2014-02-28 Thread Chris de Morsella
On 1 March 2014 18:16, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: If it's all math, then where does math come from? Strange to say, elementary maths just appears to be a fact. That is, it is a fact that 1+1=2. Somehow I do not find that satisfying; in what way and by what evidence does

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:39 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 1:53

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread Chris de Morsella
AM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: The prices for PV keeps coming down as well; in fact it has dropped an amazing 99% in the past quarter century. That's very nice, but even if the price dropped to zero it wouldn't be enough to completely take over from nuclear and fossil fuel

RE: The solar example of a town in Germany

2014-02-27 Thread Chris de Morsella
It produces 4X the energy it needs just from the solar PV on the roofs of its buildings.. Isn't it amazing what you can accomplish with such dilute sources of energy. I include the link because the pictures are pretty cool, and illustrate what a solar city could look like.

Re: The solar example of a town in Germany

2014-02-27 Thread Chris de Morsella
-price.  The cost per kilowatt -- for complete installed systems -- is starting to get close to parity with the cost for electricity from coal. In ten years from now solar will be far less expensive than coal electricity. -Original Message- From: Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread Chris de Morsella
even if the price dropped to zero it wouldn't be enough to completely take over from nuclear and fossil fuel because it would still be too dilute and too unreliable and unpredictable for many, perhaps most, applications. So say you. and yet just this year alone - 2014 - it is projected

RE: The situation at Fukushima appears to be deteriorating

2014-02-27 Thread Chris de Morsella
Well if you can store 61 times more energy, that just means there's room for improvement in the existing batteries... Good news, if nature was able to do it so can we I hope. Zinc-air batteries, which combine atmospheric oxygen and zinc metal in a liquid alkaline electrolyte to generate

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