Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Aug 2012, at 20:01, meekerdb wrote: On 8/29/2012 11:19 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I might write a longer comment, but I will be a bit busy those days. Here are some references on the fact that cannabis can cure cancer: Cannabis selectively target cancerous cell, and makes them auto-

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-31 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2012/8/31 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be On 30 Aug 2012, at 20:01, meekerdb wrote: On 8/29/2012 11:19 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I might write a longer comment, but I will be a bit busy those days. Here are some references on the fact that cannabis can cure cancer: Cannabis

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 31 Aug 2012, at 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2012/8/31 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be On 30 Aug 2012, at 20:01, meekerdb wrote: On 8/29/2012 11:19 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I might write a longer comment, but I will be a bit busy those days. Here are some references on the fact

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-31 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2012/8/31 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be On 31 Aug 2012, at 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2012/8/31 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be On 30 Aug 2012, at 20:01, meekerdb wrote: On 8/29/2012 11:19 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I might write a longer comment, but I will be a bit busy those

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 31 Aug 2012, at 12:02, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2012/8/31 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be On 31 Aug 2012, at 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2012/8/31 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be On 30 Aug 2012, at 20:01, meekerdb wrote: On 8/29/2012 11:19 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I might write

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-31 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Yes, but bashing nicotine is also easy. Everybody that surfs internet, especially posting too much is nicotine freak ;) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=internet%20addiction%20chrna4 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 31 Aug 2012, at 17:52, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Yes, but bashing nicotine is also easy. Everybody that surfs internet, especially posting too much is nicotine freak ;) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=internet%20addiction%20chrna4 Interesting. If we don't fight

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
I might write a longer comment, but I will be a bit busy those days. Here are some references on the fact that cannabis can cure cancer: Cannabis selectively target cancerous cell, and makes them auto-phage (eating themselves): http://www.jci.org/articles/view/37948(original spain

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-30 Thread meekerdb
On 8/29/2012 11:19 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I might write a longer comment, but I will be a bit busy those days. Here are some references on the fact that cannabis can cure cancer: Cannabis selectively target cancerous cell, and makes them auto-phage (eating themselves):

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
Even Binet, who invented the IQ-tests, insisted that it can be used only to separate debility and sanity, not to measure small differences. The paper is mute on the most difficult part to assess, like such a difference. I am not sure such comparision must be itself compared with other

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-29 Thread Richard Ruquist
I am of the opinion that recreational drugs should be the preserve of the retired folk. In fact in the USA with so many companies and the govt/military doing random testing you may as well wait until retirement. Richard On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-29 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Hmm like the old geezer with a Porsche, who can't sit in it, because of a bad back, to compensate for the lifelong frustration of withholding that pleasure? Enjoy stuff while we can, minimizing harm potential, no matter how old imho. I find the study designed to create news hysteria. The authors

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Aug 2012, at 12:37, Richard Ruquist wrote: I am of the opinion that recreational drugs should be the preserve of the retired folk. In fact in the USA with so many companies and the govt/military doing random testing you may as well wait until retirement. I don't believe in drugs.

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-29 Thread Richard Ruquist
I really agree with Bruno. In fact my string cosmology is a product of smoking, making me a crackpot have a double meaning. But minus the crack which I have never been interested in. Pot is sufficient but unavailable. Richard On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-29 Thread Stephen P. King
Hear Hear! On 8/29/2012 10:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Aug 2012, at 12:37, Richard Ruquist wrote: I am of the opinion that recreational drugs should be the preserve of the retired folk. In fact in the USA with so many companies and the govt/military doing random testing you may as

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-29 Thread meekerdb
On 8/29/2012 7:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: We know since 1974 that cannabis cures cancer, (american discovery hidden by Bush senior) but it is only since this has been rediscovered in Spain, that some media talk about it, but it does not yet make the headline. How many people died of cancer

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-29 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2012/8/29 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be On 29 Aug 2012, at 12:37, Richard Ruquist wrote: I am of the opinion that recreational drugs should be the preserve of the retired folk. In fact in the USA with so many companies and the govt/military doing random testing you may as well wait

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-29 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Research on this is ambiguous and ideologically freighted, but you put your finger on the right spot with: though maybe not as much. Because given all the toxic compounds from burning carbon based plant matter, the question is why the smoking cannabis leads to lung cancer evidence is much more of

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-29 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
People and science do not distinguish enough between smoking pure cannabis or hemp and smoking both cannabis and tobacco. The latter carries many more health concerns than the former. Also the causality: does cannabis lead to depression or is a life framed for depression at some point, and

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-29 Thread Quentin Anciaux
As I said *it can* lead to that, when abusing, what cause the abuse is outside the problem, but occulting the abuse is not good (as all abuse of any drug legal or not). And surely it is easier to not abuse when you are rich and have less living problem than if you're not. And anyway, abuse of

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-29 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Agreed. But abuse of anything... is simply abuse. Talking about consciousness altering alternatives on a plant or chemical basis, I maintain that evidence, such as the harm assessment reports of Prof. David Nutt, NIDA studies, papers/sources cited in The Emperor wears no clothes, suggest that

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-29 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2012/8/29 Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com Agreed. But abuse of anything... is simply abuse. Wel yes... but abuse is easy with cannabis, if you smoke *everyday* it is abuse. And when you smoke everyday, you often smoke more than one... and that condition *is not* rare among

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-29 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
If you can solve the problem of what degree of involvement/dependence towards an idea/substance/drug is problematic and which is not, then go ahead. I will certainly read that book. Personal anecdotes and hyperbolic stuff is everywhere: e.g. the study that opened this thread. Even if I take your

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-29 Thread meekerdb
On 8/29/2012 9:02 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: Research on this is ambiguous and ideologically freighted, but you put your finger on the right spot with: though maybe not as much. Because given all the toxic compounds from burning carbon based plant matter, the question is why the smoking

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-29 Thread John Mikes
Brent wrote: *I can think of no plausible mechanism whereby cannabis could selectively affect cancer cells.* * *Sorry, this is no argument. You (or any later chap) may learn later-on knowledge beyond our present inventory. Besides: e.g. *Iodo Uracyl* attacks (cancer-) tumor cells selectively,

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-29 Thread meekerdb
On 8/29/2012 2:15 PM, John Mikes wrote: Brent wrote: /I can think of no plausible mechanism whereby cannabis could selectively affect cancer cells./ / /Sorry, this is no argument. You (or any later chap) may learn later-on knowledge beyond our present inventory. And that would be a good

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-29 Thread Jason Resch
Try a google search for: thc anti cancer There are numerous articles done by different groups that support this theory. Jason On Aug 29, 2012, at 6:03 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/29/2012 2:15 PM, John Mikes wrote: Brent wrote: I can think of no plausible mechanism

Re: Final Evidence: Cannabis causes neuropsychological decline

2012-08-28 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: Finally we have the whole story and truth: Direct link to PDF in question: