Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Nov 2013, at 05:00, meekerdb wrote: On 11/22/2013 5:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/21/2013 1:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:20, Richard Ruquist wrote: Chief Supreme Court Justice Marshall

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Nov 2013, at 07:42, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:09 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 21 Nov 2013, at 18:55, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 21 Nov 2013, at 15:50, Jason Resch

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 5:00 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/22/2013 5:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/21/2013 1:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:20, Richard Ruquist wrote: Chief

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 2:40 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/22/2013 11:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:00 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/22/2013 5:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-23 Thread meekerdb
On 11/23/2013 3:42 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 5:00 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/22/2013 5:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/21/2013 1:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Nov 2013, at

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 7:23 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/23/2013 3:42 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 5:00 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/22/2013 5:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:23 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/23/2013 3:42 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 5:00 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/22/2013 5:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-23 Thread meekerdb
On 11/23/2013 2:21 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:23 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/23/2013 3:42 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 5:00 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-23 Thread Jason Resch
On Nov 23, 2013, at 10:19 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/23/2013 2:21 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:23 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/23/2013 3:42 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 5:00 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-23 Thread meekerdb
On 11/23/2013 9:40 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Nov 23, 2013, at 10:19 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/23/2013 2:21 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:23 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Nov 2013, at 18:55, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 21 Nov 2013, at 15:50, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Nov 2013, at 21:35, John Mikes wrote:

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/21/2013 1:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:20, Richard Ruquist wrote: Chief Supreme Court Justice Marshall usurped the Constitution when he maintained that the Supreme Court had the right to rule

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Nov 2013, at 14:38, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/21/2013 1:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:20, Richard Ruquist wrote: Chief Supreme Court Justice Marshall usurped the Constitution when he maintained

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Nov 2013, at 22:53, Richard Ruquist wrote: Bruno, The rich have been trying to take over the US govt to reduce their tax burden for over 100 years. Every time they have succeeded the result has been an economic crash usually followed by war. That happened in 1857 after a decade of

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
The New Scientist article that Liz linked says essentially that crises happen when workers outnumber the available jobs especially elite jobs: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22029382.400-the-maths-that-saw-the-us-shutdown-coming.html#.Uo-iDdK-qFA Turchin has found what he believes to be

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread John Mikes
Thanks, Richard, excellent reverberation. I just frown when I read rich - who are they? lately the word millionaire lost it's taste: with a middle-class family home of - say - 700K value and some cash set aside: an average retiree is a millionaire. Billionaire is not so easy: there is a gap in

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
I vary from filthy rich to excessively rich. But for this group, I toned it down. I think history speaks for itself. Richard On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:39 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Richard, excellent reverberation. I just frown when I read rich - who are they? lately the

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Nov 2013, at 19:36, Richard Ruquist wrote: The New Scientist article that Liz linked says essentially that crises happen when workers outnumber the available jobs especially elite jobs:

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread meekerdb
On 11/22/2013 5:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/21/2013 1:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:20, Richard Ruquist wrote: Chief Supreme Court Justice Marshall usurped the Constitution when he maintained that

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:09 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 21 Nov 2013, at 18:55, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 21 Nov 2013, at 15:50, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:45 AM, Bruno Marchal

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:00 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/22/2013 5:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/21/2013 1:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:20, Richard

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-22 Thread meekerdb
On 11/22/2013 11:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:00 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/22/2013 5:38 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:51 PM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread LizR
On 21 November 2013 20:55, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: My point is that you used a bad comparison. There is no reasonable comparison between the King of England at the time and wizards and drgaons, It was a joke... Right, gotcha. I won't ask you to explain why it was

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:22 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 November 2013 20:55, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: My point is that you used a bad comparison. There is no reasonable comparison between the King of England at the time and wizards and drgaons, It was a

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread LizR
OK, fair enough. I wouldn't have said anything more if you'd said it was a joke after I made my first comment, but since you gave an explanation, I assumed you were serious. I mean, obviously it was a flippant comparison but I thought there was a serious intention behind it, which I didn't think

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Nov 2013, at 21:35, John Mikes wrote: Telmo wrote: I admire the US constitution too. In fact, my political position is essentially to follow it (although I like to imagine possibilities for peaceful world with further increases in freedom). Which Constitution? the one epoch-opening

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:20, Richard Ruquist wrote: Chief Supreme Court Justice Marshall usurped the Constitution when he maintained that the Supreme Court had the right to rule laws made by Congress and signed by the President unconstitutional. As a result the USA is essentially ruled by the

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:54 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: OK, fair enough. I wouldn't have said anything more if you'd said it was a joke after I made my first comment, but since you gave an explanation, I assumed you were serious. I mean, obviously it was a flippant comparison but I

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Nov 2013, at 21:35, John Mikes wrote: Telmo wrote: I admire the US constitution too. In fact, my political position is essentially to follow it (although I like to imagine possibilities for peaceful world with

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Nov 2013, at 11:05, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Nov 2013, at 21:35, John Mikes wrote: Telmo wrote: I admire the US constitution too. In fact, my political position is essentially to follow it (although I like to

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread LizR
Hi Richard, There was an article in New Scientist recently about a mathematician who claims to have a theory which says roughly what you are saying - do you know anything about that? It sounds a bit like the railways would run on time if it wasn't for the passengers! -- or in this case, the

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 21 Nov 2013, at 11:05, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Nov 2013, at 21:35, John Mikes wrote: Telmo wrote: I admire the US constitution too. In

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:54 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: OK, fair enough. I wouldn't have said anything more if you'd said it was a joke after I made my first comment, but since you gave an explanation, I assumed you were serious. I mean, obviously it was a flippant comparison but I

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 21 Nov 2013, at 15:50, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Nov 2013, at 21:35, John Mikes wrote: Telmo wrote: *I admire the US constitution too.

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread Richard Ruquist
I stopped my NS subscription last year. Do you recall anything I can Google? I'll try 'the mathematics of crashes' Yes. That works: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed--the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world.html#.Uo6HTNK-qFA But this may be better:

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread LizR
It was this one: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22029382.400-the-maths-that-saw-the-us-shutdown-coming.html#.Uo6MecSVPB4 On 22 November 2013 11:39, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: I stopped my NS subscription last year. Do you recall anything I can Google? I'll try 'the

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Nov 2013, at 21:35, John Mikes wrote: Telmo wrote: *I admire the US constitution too. In fact, my political position is essentially to follow it (although I like to imagine possibilities for **peaceful world

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:09 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, you did so!!! I can only apologise. I must try not to do so much housework and stuff, I need to spend longer checking what I'm replying to! :) I just saw what you said and thought - that's odd - and then a whole

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread LizR
Sorry, you did so!!! I can only apologise. I must try not to do so much housework and stuff, I need to spend longer checking what I'm replying to! :) I just saw what you said and thought - that's odd - and then a whole conversation kicked off as a result. My problem is I hardly ever have time to

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread Richard Ruquist
Bruno, The rich have been trying to take over the US govt to reduce their tax burden for over 100 years. Every time they have succeeded the result has been an economic crash usually followed by war. That happened in 1857 after a decade of prosperity and then the crash was followed by the Civil

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Nov 2013, at 15:50, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Nov 2013, at 21:35, John Mikes wrote: Telmo wrote: I admire the US constitution too. In fact, my political position is essentially to follow it (although I like

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread LizR
On 22 November 2013 03:38, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:54 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: OK, fair enough. I wouldn't have said anything more if you'd said it was a joke after I made my first comment, but since you gave an explanation, I assumed you

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread LizR
By the way we cancelled our sub to NS some years ago, but I am now reconsidering... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread meekerdb
On 11/21/2013 1:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Nov 2013, at 22:20, Richard Ruquist wrote: Chief Supreme Court Justice Marshall usurped the Constitution when he maintained that the Supreme Court had the right to rule laws made by Congress and signed by the President unconstitutional. As a

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 21 Nov 2013, at 13:41, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 21 Nov 2013, at 11:05, Telmo Menezes wrote: snip If nobody complains on his local decentralized power, the central power should have nothing to say, but if the locals

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:31 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 November 2013 03:38, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 2:54 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: OK, fair enough. I wouldn't have said anything more if you'd said it was a joke after I made my

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-20 Thread Richard Ruquist
Chief Supreme Court Justice Marshall usurped the Constitution when he maintained that the Supreme Court had the right to rule laws made by Congress and signed by the President unconstitutional. As a result the USA is essentially ruled by the Supreme Court There is no provision in the US

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-20 Thread John Mikes
Thanks, Richard, - very educative! John M On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: Chief Supreme Court Justice Marshall usurped the Constitution when he maintained that the Supreme Court had the right to rule laws made by Congress and signed by the President

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-20 Thread spudboy100
-Original Message- From: Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Nov 20, 2013 4:20 pm Subject: Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution Chief Supreme Court Justice Marshall usurped the Constitution when he maintained that the Supreme Court had

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-20 Thread LizR
And then there was Noah Webster's attempt to massacre the English language... :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi John, On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:35 PM, John Mikes jami...@gmail.com wrote: Telmo wrote: I admire the US constitution too. In fact, my political position is essentially to follow it (although I like to imagine possibilities for peaceful world with further increases in freedom). Which

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-20 Thread LizR
On 21 November 2013 11:37, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: who just did not want to pay taxes to the King of England, Good on them. What next? Pay taxes to wizards and dragons? Weird comment. The King of England was only, in their view, an inappropriate subject to pay taxes to

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-20 Thread spudboy100
was surpassing the US in personal freedoms, and didn't have that pesky little problem of slavery, as an actual menace by then. -Original Message- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:07 pm Subject: Re: Telmo On the US

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-20 Thread spudboy100
Freedom via 3D manufacture. Liberation through material wealth! -Original Message- From: Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Nov 20, 2013 6:29 pm Subject: Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-20 Thread LizR
On 21 November 2013 12:29, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:07 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 November 2013 11:37, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: who just did not want to pay taxes to the King of England, Good on them. What

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-20 Thread LizR
On 21 November 2013 12:49, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Freedom via 3D manufacture. Liberation through material wealth! A global village, yeah, that's my general outlook too, although we have to get rid of that pesky little problem of slavery* that currently provides most of our material goods in

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-20 Thread Russell Standish
There is always the possibility that the lawmakers (in this case congress) will create a law that is fundamentally in contradiction with the established corpus of constitutional law. It is only right that there exists a body whose role it is to test that. In our country, it is the High Court - my

Re: Telmo On the US COnstitution

2013-11-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:50 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 November 2013 12:29, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:07 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 November 2013 11:37, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: who just did