Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 12:24:46 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 4 Jul 2019, at 17:06, Quentin Anciaux > > wrote: > > Do as you wish, if it makes you feel better... I don't think insulting is > useful, and a list like this one should be free of it, but instead here > disagreement

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 4 Jul 2019, at 17:06, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > Do as you wish, if it makes you feel better... I don't think insulting is > useful, and a list like this one should be free of it, but instead here > disagreement is always followed with insults. It's just sad. Yes, it is sad. Insults,

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 4 Jul 2019, at 20:27, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 7/4/2019 1:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> You may be able to access your subjective time, but does it provide a >>> measure...and if so what is it? >> We get three candidates for the logic of the measure one,

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 7/4/2019 1:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: You may be able to access your subjective time, but does it provide a measure...and if so what is it? We get three candidates for the logic of the measure one, given by the logic of the intensional variant of G ([]p): "The logic of measure one" is

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Do as you wish, if it makes you feel better... I don't think insulting is useful, and a list like this one should be free of it, but instead here disagreement is always followed with insults. It's just sad. Le jeu. 4 juil. 2019 à 13:02, PGC a écrit : > > > On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 4:08:29

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

The disbelief of moon landing vs telepathy... ;( Le jeu. 4 juil. 2019 à 16:39, John Clark a écrit : > Does anyone know what the title of this thread means? > > John K Clark > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To

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Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 4:08:29 PM UTC+2, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > I don't know what Bruno did to you,what's the point to always attacking > him like that and misunderstand on purpose what is written ? > > You can keep that for you. > > If you have something interesting to say, say it,

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 3 Jul 2019, at 19:54, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 7/3/2019 2:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 2 Jul 2019, at 20:22, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/2/2019 2:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Which time? I can access

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 7/3/2019 2:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 2 Jul 2019, at 20:22, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 7/2/2019 2:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Which time? I can access only my subjective time, and I would say that my period between birth and the age of ten has been considerable

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

What bruno implies is this: https://www.google.com/search?safe=off=gLccXfiGGtDDwQK997PQBQ=time+seems+slower+when+younger=time+seems+slower+when+younger_l=psy-ab.3..33i22i29i30.8751.8946..9440...0.0..0.66.132.2..01..gws-wiz...35i304i39.4ljUkeeOpYc yes times seems to go faster as we

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

I don't know what Bruno did to you,what's the point to always attacking him like that and misunderstand on purpose what is written ? You can keep that for you. If you have something interesting to say, say it, if it's only for insulting don't bother posting... those king of insulting emails are

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 11:51:52 AM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 2 Jul 2019, at 20:22, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 7/2/2019 2:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> Which time? I can access only my subjective time,

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 2 Jul 2019, at 20:22, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 7/2/2019 2:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Which time? I can access only my subjective time, and I would say that my >> period between birth and the age of ten has been considerable longer that >> the once

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 7/2/2019 2:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Which time? I can access only my subjective time, and I would say that my period between birth and the age of ten has been considerable longer that the once between 10 and 60. We should send you a clock and a calendar then. Brent -- You received

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 2 Jul 2019, at 00:38, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 10:16 PM Quentin Anciaux > wrote: > Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 13:35, Bruce Kellett > a écrit : > On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 5:32 PM Quentin Anciaux

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Le mar. 2 juil. 2019 à 00:38, Bruce Kellett a écrit : > On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 10:16 PM Quentin Anciaux > wrote: > >> Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 13:35, Bruce Kellett a >> écrit : >> >>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 5:32 PM Quentin Anciaux >>> wrote: >>> > But you spend more 'time' living

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 1 Jul 2019, at 22:35, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 7/1/2019 12:18 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> >> Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 20:01, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> >> a écrit : >> >> >> On 7/1/2019 5:16 AM,

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 1 Jul 2019, at 20:25, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 7/1/2019 7:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 1 Jul 2019, at 07:02, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/30/2019 11:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 28 Jun 2019, at

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 10:16 PM Quentin Anciaux wrote: > Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 13:35, Bruce Kellett a > écrit : > >> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 5:32 PM Quentin Anciaux >> wrote: >> >>> But you spend more 'time' living between the ages of 40 and 90 than you do between the ages of 1 and

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 7/1/2019 1:41 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 22:35, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > a écrit : On 7/1/2019 12:18 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 20:01, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 22:35, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> a écrit : > > > On 7/1/2019 12:18 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 20:01, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> a écrit : > >> >> >> On

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 7/1/2019 12:18 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 20:01, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > a écrit : On 7/1/2019 5:16 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 13:35, Bruce Kellett

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 20:01, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> a écrit : > > > On 7/1/2019 5:16 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 13:35, Bruce Kellett a > écrit : > >> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 5:32 PM Quentin Anciaux >> wrote: >> >>>

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 7/1/2019 7:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 1 Jul 2019, at 07:02, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 6/30/2019 11:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Jun 2019, at 22:31, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 6/28/2019 8:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Quentin is right

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 7/1/2019 5:16 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 13:35, Bruce Kellett > a écrit : On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 5:32 PM Quentin Anciaux mailto:allco...@gmail.com>> wrote: Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 09:19, Bruce Kellett

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 18:51, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> a écrit : > > > On 7/1/2019 12:10 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 07:02, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> a écrit : > >> >> >> On

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 7/1/2019 12:10 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 07:02, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > a écrit : On 6/30/2019 11:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> On 28 Jun 2019, at 22:31, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 1 Jul 2019, at 07:02, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/30/2019 11:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 28 Jun 2019, at 22:31, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/28/2019 8:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Quentin is right on

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 13:35, Bruce Kellett a écrit : > On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 5:32 PM Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 09:19, Bruce Kellett a >> écrit : >> >>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 5:11 PM Quentin Anciaux >>> wrote: >>> Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 07:02, 'Brent Meeker'

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 5:32 PM Quentin Anciaux wrote: > Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 09:19, Bruce Kellett a > écrit : > >> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 5:11 PM Quentin Anciaux >> wrote: >> >>> Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 07:02, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >>> everything-list@googlegroups.com> a écrit

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 09:19, Bruce Kellett a écrit : > On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 5:11 PM Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 07:02, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> everything-list@googlegroups.com> a écrit : >> >>> On 6/30/2019 11:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >> On 28

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 5:11 PM Quentin Anciaux wrote: > Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 07:02, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> a écrit : > >> On 6/30/2019 11:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> On 28 Jun 2019, at 22:31, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >>

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Le lun. 1 juil. 2019 à 07:02, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> a écrit : > > > On 6/30/2019 11:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 28 Jun 2019, at 22:31, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 6/30/2019 11:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Jun 2019, at 22:31, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 6/28/2019 8:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Quentin is right on this, we cannot sample a random “observer moment” (cf ASSA, Absolute Self-Sampling Assumption) without taking

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 28 Jun 2019, at 22:31, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/28/2019 8:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Quentin is right on this, we cannot sample a random “observer moment” (cf >> ASSA, Absolute Self-Sampling Assumption) without taking the structure of >> that set

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 6/28/2019 8:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Quentin is right on this, we cannot sample a random “observer moment” (cf ASSA, Absolute Self-Sampling Assumption) without taking the structure of that set into account. With Mechanism, we can use only a Relative SSA, both intuitively and formally,

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 27 Jun 2019, at 11:02, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, at 20:32, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: >> >> >> On 6/26/2019 7:18 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019, at 00:38, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 6:24 AM

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, at 20:32, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > > > On 6/26/2019 7:18 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019, at 00:38, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 6:24 AM Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 22:00, 'Brent

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 6/26/2019 7:18 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Jun 25, 2019, at 00:38, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 6:24 AM Quentin Anciaux > wrote: Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 22:00, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Tue, Jun 25, 2019, at 00:38, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 6:24 AM Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 22:00, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> a écrit : >>> On 6/24/2019 12:56 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 20:52, 'Brent

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 6/24/2019 11:37 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le mar. 25 juin 2019 à 08:28, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > a écrit : On 6/24/2019 9:58 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 22:50, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 24 Jun 2019, at 19:06, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/24/2019 2:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 24 Jun 2019, at 05:55, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/23/2019 5:40 AM,

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Le mar. 25 juin 2019 à 08:28, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> a écrit : > > > On 6/24/2019 9:58 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 22:50, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> a écrit : > >> >> >> On

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 6/24/2019 9:58 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 22:50, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > a écrit : On 6/24/2019 1:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 22:00, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 22:50, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> a écrit : > > > On 6/24/2019 1:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 22:00, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> a écrit : > >> >> >> On

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 6:24 AM Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 22:00, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> a écrit : > >> On 6/24/2019 12:56 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 20:52, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 6/24/2019 1:24 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 22:00, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > a écrit : On 6/24/2019 12:56 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 20:52, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 22:00, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> a écrit : > > > On 6/24/2019 12:56 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 20:52, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> a écrit : > >> >> >> On

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 6/24/2019 12:56 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 20:52, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > a écrit : On 6/24/2019 11:08 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 19:30, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 20:52, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> a écrit : > > > On 6/24/2019 11:08 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 19:30, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> a écrit : > >> >> >> On

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 6/24/2019 11:08 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 19:30, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > a écrit : On 6/24/2019 2:29 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 11:18, Bruno Marchal

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 19:30, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> a écrit : > > > On 6/24/2019 2:29 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 11:18, Bruno Marchal a écrit : > >> >> On 24 Jun 2019, at 05:55, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 6/24/2019 2:29 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 11:18, Bruno Marchal > a écrit : On 24 Jun 2019, at 05:55, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> wrote: On 6/23/2019 5:40 AM, Bruno Marchal

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 6/24/2019 2:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Jun 2019, at 05:55, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 6/23/2019 5:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Jun 2019, at 21:49, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 24 Jun 2019, at 11:29, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 11:18, Bruno Marchal > a écrit : > >> On 24 Jun 2019, at 05:55, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 6/23/2019

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 11:18, Bruno Marchal a écrit : > > On 24 Jun 2019, at 05:55, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > > On 6/23/2019 5:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 21 Jun 2019, at 21:49, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 24 Jun 2019, at 05:55, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/23/2019 5:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 21 Jun 2019, at 21:49, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/21/2019 5:35 AM,

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 6/23/2019 5:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Jun 2019, at 21:49, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 6/21/2019 5:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Jun 2019, at 09:04, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On Fri,

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 11:20 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 6/21/2019 4:57 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From the first person point of view, after all, the probability is not > known in advance. > > > I'm not sure what "known" means in that.

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 22 Jun 2019, at 13:06, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 8:20:04 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > "Good old classical chance" is just quantifying ignorance. At a fundamental > level there must be either inherent chance, QM, or determinism. > > Brent > > > That's

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 21 Jun 2019, at 22:24, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/21/2019 5:50 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 10:35 PM Bruno Marchal > > wrote: >> On 21 Jun 2019, at 09:04, Bruce Kellett > >

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 21 Jun 2019, at 21:49, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/21/2019 5:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 21 Jun 2019, at 09:04, Bruce Kellett >> > wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 21 Jun 2019, at 15:57, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 7:58 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > CT might be refuted tomorrow, or in ten thousand years. > > I doubt it. Oracles that can do more than a Turing Machine, such as one that > can solve the

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 21 Jun 2019, at 15:03, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 10:29 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 21 Jun 2019, at 08:49, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 21 Jun 2019, at 14:50, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 10:35 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 21 Jun 2019, at 09:04, Bruce Kellett > wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 6/22/2019 4:06 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 8:20:04 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:  "Good old classical chance" is just quantifying ignorance. At a fundamental level there must be either inherent chance, QM, or determinism. Brent That's true.

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 8:20:04 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > "Good old classical chance" is just quantifying ignorance. At a > fundamental level there must be either inherent chance, QM, or determinism. > > Brent > > That's true. *Stochastic processes* [

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 6/21/2019 4:57 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 4:42 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 6/21/2019 12:04 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 4:42 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 6/21/2019 12:04 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> To disconfirm MWI

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 6/21/2019 5:50 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 10:35 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: On 21 Jun 2019, at 09:04, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 6/21/2019 5:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Jun 2019, at 09:04, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: To disconfirm MWI you'd have to observe

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 6/21/2019 12:04 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: To disconfirm MWI you'd have to observe statistics far from the expected value, To make my point more strongly, that is

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 6/20/2019 11:49 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 6/20/2019 11:11 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: After all, repetitions of the relevant interactions are

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 7:58 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > *CT might be refuted tomorrow, or in ten thousand years.* > I doubt it. Oracles that can do more than a Turing Machine, such as one that can solve the Halting Problem, produce logical paradoxes. > > *And the natural transplant you

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 10:29 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 21 Jun 2019, at 08:49, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > On 6/20/2019 11:11 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> After all,

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 10:35 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 21 Jun 2019, at 09:04, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> >> To disconfirm MWI you'd have to observe statistics far from the

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 21 Jun 2019, at 09:04, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > > To disconfirm MWI you'd have to observe statistics far from the expected > value, > > To make my point more

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 21 Jun 2019, at 08:49, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > On 6/20/2019 11:11 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> After all, repetitions of the relevant interactions are happening all

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 20 Jun 2019, at 18:30, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 8:19 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > >> you said mechanism means the belief that "we can survive a digital brain > >> transplant operation"; so if there is anything in the universe that > >>

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > To disconfirm MWI you'd have to observe statistics far from the expected > value, > To make my point more strongly, that is the wrong way round. Observation of statistics far from

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 6/20/2019 11:11 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > After all, repetitions of the relevant interactions are happening all the >> time: and not just in our controlled experiments. How can

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 1:26:05 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 6/20/2019 11:11 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 3:38 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > >> On 6/20/2019 10:00 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jun 21,

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 6/20/2019 11:11 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 3:38 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 6/20/2019 10:00 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 2:35 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 3:38 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 6/20/2019 10:00 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 2:35 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> On 6/20/2019 9:09

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 4:43:04 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 6/20/2019 2:36 PM, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 2:52 PM 'Brent Meeker' < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > >> I have a hunch you are conscious, if my hunch is correct then you >>> know for a fact

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 6/20/2019 10:00 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 2:35 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 6/20/2019 9:09 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:19 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 2:35 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 6/20/2019 9:09 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:19 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> On 6/20/2019 5:56 PM,

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 6/20/2019 9:09 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:19 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 6/20/2019 5:56 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> I don’t think your

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:19 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 6/20/2019 5:56 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal > > > I don’t think your refutation of step 3 has been understood by anyone. > > If someone else want to argue that

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 6/20/2019 5:56 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> I don’t think your refutation of step 3 has been understood by anyone. If someone else want to argue that there is no indeterminacy in the self duplication experience, he is welcome. I think that

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

From: *Bruno Marchal* mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> I don’t think your refutation of step 3 has been understood by anyone. If someone else want to argue that there is no indeterminacy in the self duplication experience, he is welcome. I think that some might challenge your interpretation of

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 5:43 PM 'Brent Meeker' < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> During the next 24 hours there are 2 possibilities concerting any >> Hydrogen atom in your brain: >> 1) It will be replaced by another Hydrogen atom. >> 2) The original Hydrogen atom will remain. >> So

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 6/20/2019 2:36 PM, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 2:52 PM 'Brent Meeker'  > wrote: >>  I have a hunch you are conscious, if my hunch is correct then you know for a fact that mechanism, as you have defined it, is

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 2:52 PM 'Brent Meeker' < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> I have a hunch you are conscious, if my hunch is correct then you know >> for a fact that mechanism, as you have defined it, is true because you've >> ALREADY survived many brain transplant operations.

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On 6/20/2019 9:30 AM, John Clark wrote: Each of us has access to a piece of knowledge that can't be communicated, but that doesn't make it untrue. I have a hunch you are conscious, if my hunch is correct then you know for a fact that mechanism, as you have defined it, is true because you've

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 8:19 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: >> you said mechanism means the belief that "we can survive a digital brain >> transplant operation"; so if there is anything in the universe that >> deserves to be called "certain" it is that because we've already had a >> brain transplant

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 19 Jun 2019, at 19:10, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 9:11 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: >> >>> You are the one invoking it to say that some computations are real, and >> >>> other are not. > >>And I gave a specific example of what I meant long ago, >

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 9:11 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > *>>> You are the one invoking it to say that some computations are real, >>> and other are not.* >> >> >>And I gave a specific example of what I meant long ago, > > *>I debunked it. * > You debunked it in the same way the Flat Earth

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

> On 18 Jun 2019, at 15:44, John Clark wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:51 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > >> Me? I'm the one that needs to explains what "physical reality" means??!! > >> I don't know what it means Bruno, it's your term not mine, that's why I >

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