Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Friday, January 23, 2015, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote > >>> >> Do we know that? Do we know that such a digit exists? >> >> > It follows from the axioms that there is a certain definite digit. > > They show you how to generate terms in a sequence and

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Thursday, January 22, 2015, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/22/2015 1:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 3:25 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> >> On 1/22/2015 3:30 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM, meekerdb wrote: >>> >>> On 1/21/2015 3:46 PM, LizR wrote: >>>

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Jason Resch wrote >> Do we know that? Do we know that such a digit exists? >> > > > It follows from the axioms that there is a certain definite digit. > They show you how to generate terms in a sequence and if you add up enough of them you'd get the the 10^(10^(1

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/22/2015 1:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 3:25 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 1/22/2015 3:30 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/21/2015 3:46 PM, LizR wrote

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/22/2015 8:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Jan 2015, at 02:00, meekerdb wrote: On 1/21/2015 3:46 PM, LizR wrote: On 18 January 2015 at 18:27, Jason Resch > wrote: Do you believe that *one and only one* of the following statements is true?

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/22/2015 8:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: In 1910, Henri Ford already asked why to use non renewable oil and not renewable hemp? And the answer was that it was a lot cheaper to use oil from the ground. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Every

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/22/2015 7:45 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2015-01-22 16:37 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>>: On 21 Jan 2015, at 19:46, Quentin Anciaux wrote: In the end... if you cannot doubt god because of the way you define it... then not only you're not atheist (seems ob

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 3:28 PM, John Clark wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:51 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > >> >> >> So one of them is true, but can you (or anyone in this universe) prove: >> >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 ? >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th de

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 3:25 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/22/2015 3:30 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 1/21/2015 3:46 PM, LizR wrote: >> >> On 18 January 2015 at 18:27, Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> >>> Do you believe that *one and only o

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:51 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > >> So one of them is true, but can you (or anyone in this universe) prove: > > the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 ? > the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 1 ? > the 10^(10^(10^100))th decima

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/22/2015 3:30 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 1/21/2015 3:46 PM, LizR wrote: On 18 January 2015 at 18:27, Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote: Do you believe that *one and only

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:48 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >>> Do you believe that *one and only one* of the following >> statements is true? >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 1 >> the 10^(1

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 22 Jan 2015, at 07:48, Bruce Kellett wrote: John Clark wrote: On 18 January 2015 at 18:27, Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com >> wrote: > Do you believe that *one and only one* of the following statements is true? the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 22 Jan 2015, at 06:06, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote: Roger: Just because things can exist outside the mind/head doesn't mean that a specific thing does occur outside the mind/head. If the pi proposition and the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal point of pi can be shown outside the mind/

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 22 Jan 2015, at 02:00, meekerdb wrote: On 1/21/2015 3:46 PM, LizR wrote: On 18 January 2015 at 18:27, Jason Resch wrote: Do you believe that one and only one of the following statements is true? the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 22 Jan 2015, at 00:53, LizR wrote: On 20 January 2015 at 06:36, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Jan 2015, at 20:42, meekerdb wrote: On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: With the definition you gave in a preceding post, and with which I agree, everyone believe in some God. The question i

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 21 Jan 2015, at 21:56, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 Quentin Anciaux wrote: > In the end... if you cannot doubt god because of the way you define it... then not only you're not atheist (seems obvious).. but you're not agnostic either, you're what is called a believer... OK

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-22 16:37 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal : > > On 21 Jan 2015, at 19:46, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > In the end... if you cannot doubt god because of the way you define it... > then not only you're not atheist (seems obvious)... but you're not agnostic > either, you're what is called a believer...

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 21 Jan 2015, at 19:46, Quentin Anciaux wrote: In the end... if you cannot doubt god because of the way you define it... then not only you're not atheist (seems obvious)... but you're not agnostic either, you're what is called a believer... No problem with this. Actually, it is because I

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:21 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Bruce Kellett < >> bhkell...@optusnet.com.au > wrote: >> >> John Clark wrote: >> >> On 18 January 2015 at 18:27, Jason Resch >

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au>> wrote: John Clark wrote: On 18 January 2015 at 18:27, Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com> >> wrote:

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > John Clark wrote: > >> On 18 January 2015 at 18:27, Jason Resch > jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> > Do you believe that *one and only one* of the following >> statements is true? >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decim

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:26 PM, John Clark wrote: > On 18 January 2015 at 18:27, Jason Resch wrote: > > > Do you believe that *one and only one* of the following statements is >>> true? >>> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 >>> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 1 >>>

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/21/2015 3:46 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 18 January 2015 at 18:27, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> Do you believe that *one and only one* of the following statements is true? >>> >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 >> t

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:46 PM, LizR wrote: > On 18 January 2015 at 18:27, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> Do you believe that *one and only one* of the following statements is true? >>> >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 1 >

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

John Clark wrote: On 18 January 2015 at 18:27, Jason Resch > wrote: > Do you believe that *one and only one* of the following statements is true? the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

> > Roger: Just because things can exist outside the mind/head doesn't mean >> that a specific thing does occur outside the mind/head. If the pi >> proposition and the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal point of pi can be shown >> outside the mind/head or any experimental evidence for the existence o

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

> On 22 Jan 2015, at 5:46 am, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > In the end... if you cannot doubt god because of the way you define it... > then not only you're not atheist (seems obvious)... but you're not agnostic > either, you're what is called a believer... > > Quentin Yes. "Believer" doesn'

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 2:01 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/21/2015 3:49 PM, LizR wrote: > >On 18 Jan 2015, at 20:40, meekerdb wrote: >> >> On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> But observation and personal experience never prove anything. >> >> Spoken like a true Platonist - who nev

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 18 January 2015 at 18:27, Jason Resch wrote: > Do you believe that *one and only one* of the following statements is >> true? >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 1 >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 2 >> the 10^(10^

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/21/2015 3:49 PM, LizR wrote: On 18 Jan 2015, at 20:40, meekerdb wrote: On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: But observation and personal experience never prove anything. Spoken like a true Platonist - who never sat on a jury. I've sat on a jury, and since today ha

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/21/2015 3:46 PM, LizR wrote: On 18 January 2015 at 18:27, Jason Resch > wrote: Do you believe that *one and only one* of the following statements is true? the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digi

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 22 January 2015 at 12:53, LizR wrote: > >> "if you think physical reality is more important than mathematics, try > throwing away your computer and flying to the Moon" > > Neil Armstrong was actually forced to do this in the final minutes before Apollo 11 touched down (the computers failed, an

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 20 January 2015 at 06:36, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 18 Jan 2015, at 20:42, meekerdb wrote: > > On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > With the definition you gave in a preceding post, and with which I agree, > everyone believe in some God. The question is always: which one? And where >

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

> > On 18 Jan 2015, at 20:40, meekerdb wrote: > > On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > But observation and personal experience never prove anything. > > Spoken like a true Platonist - who never sat on a jury. > > I've sat on a jury, and since today has an 'R' in it, I'm a Platonist. How d

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 18 January 2015 at 18:27, Jason Resch wrote: > > Do you believe that *one and only one* of the following statements is >>> true? >>> >> > the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 > the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 1 > the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 2 > the 10

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 Quentin Anciaux wrote: > In the end... if you cannot doubt god because of the way you define it... > then not only you're not atheist (seems obvious).. but you're not agnostic > either, you're what is called a believer... > OK lets redefine the word as follows: "God is anyt

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 21 Jan 2015, at 07:45, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote: On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 2:49:12 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Jan 2015, at 23:48, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote: Roger: Even if no mind has yet conceived the the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal point of pi, the p

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

In the end... if you cannot doubt god because of the way you define it... then not only you're not atheist (seems obvious)... but you're not agnostic either, you're what is called a believer... Quentin 2015-01-21 19:30 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal : > > On 21 Jan 2015, at 01:40, meekerdb wrote: > >

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 21 Jan 2015, at 01:40, meekerdb wrote: On 1/20/2015 10:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The more I think about it, the more I doubt that these subjects were simply "abandoned" in an innocent fashion. The problem is that beliefs about fundamental reality are at the foundations of political p

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 2:49:12 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 19 Jan 2015, at 23:48, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote: > > >>> Roger: Even if no mind has yet conceived the the 10^(10^(10^100))th >>> decimal point of pi, the pi proposition and therefore the process of >>> calcu

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:40 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/20/2015 10:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> The more I think about it, the more I doubt that these subjects were >>> simply "abandoned" in an innocent fashion. The problem is that beliefs >>> about fundamental reality are at the foundations

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/20/2015 10:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The more I think about it, the more I doubt that these subjects were simply "abandoned" in an innocent fashion. The problem is that beliefs about fundamental reality are at the foundations of political power, and the powerful know this, even if only in

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 20 Jan 2015, at 07:17, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote: Chris, Mostly I agree with everything you said. Specifically: By corollary and by symmetry this same optic of doubt can shine upon the notion of a real physical entity underlying the stuff we call real. What is real about

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 19 Jan 2015, at 23:48, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote: Roger: Even if no mind has yet conceived the the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal point of pi, the pi proposition and therefore the process of calculating its 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal point and being confident that if you do the p

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 19 Jan 2015, at 22:13, meekerdb wrote: On 1/19/2015 10:40 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Jan 2015, at 20:42, meekerdb wrote: On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: With the definition you gave in a preceding post, and with w

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 19 Jan 2015, at 19:40, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Jan 2015, at 20:42, meekerdb wrote: On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: With the definition you gave in a preceding post, and with which I agree, everyone believe in some

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 19 Jan 2015, at 21:33, meekerdb wrote: On 1/19/2015 9:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Like 0 universe, 1 universe, 2 universe, ... aleph_0 universes, aleph_1 universes, etc. We need faith to believe in anything different from our own consciousness here-and-now. But our perception (part o

RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Chris, Mostly I agree with everything you said. Specifically: By corollary and by symmetry this same optic of doubt can shine upon the notion of a real physical entity underlying the stuff we c

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

Chris, Mostly I agree with everything you said. Specifically: By corollary and by symmetry this same optic of doubt can shine upon the notion of a real physical entity underlying the stuff we call real. What is real about a proton, electron, photon…etc.? Roger: I agree. Proton, electro

RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Jason et al., Overall, I can never disprove that mathematical constructs don't exist outside the head somewhere just like I can't prove my view that what we've previously considered to be the "abs

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

Jason, I'm glad you quoted The Who. I think they're maybe the best band ever, IMHO. I know many will disagree, but I really like them and have luckily seen them twice. They're having a 50th anniversary tour this year, but I can't imagine too many tours. But, if they're 90 and still tou

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

That's exactly what I said in my posting: "...If the pi proposition and the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal point of pi can be shown outside the mind/head or any experimental evidence for the existence of the pi proposition or the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal point of pi existing outside the mind/hea

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 5:02 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Jason et al., > >Overall, I can never disprove that mathematical constructs don't exist > outside the head somewhere just like I can't prove my view that what we've > previously considered

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 4:48 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >>> Roger: Even if no mind has yet conceived the the 10^(10^(10^100))th >>> decimal point of pi, the pi proposition and therefore the process of >>> calculating its 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:13 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/19/2015 10:40 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 18 Jan 2015, at 20:42, meekerdb wrote: >> >> On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> With the definition you gave i

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

Jason et al., Overall, I can never disprove that mathematical constructs don't exist outside the head somewhere just like I can't prove my view that what we've previously considered to be the "absolute lack-of-all" is itself an existent entity just because no one can never or directly exper

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

> > >> Roger: Even if no mind has yet conceived the the 10^(10^(10^100))th >> decimal point of pi, the pi proposition and therefore the process of >> calculating its 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal point and being confident that >> if you do the process that that number is either 0-9 are all locate

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/19/2015 10:40 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: On 18 Jan 2015, at 20:42, meekerdb wrote: On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: With the definition you gave in a preceding post, and with which I

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/19/2015 10:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: If it is true that 8 is a composite, doesn't that require the existence of a number between 1 and 8 which divides 8? Only in the mathematicians sense of "exist" which means "satisfies an expression", Dr Watson satisfies the expression "X is a sidekic

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/19/2015 9:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Like 0 universe, 1 universe, 2 universe, ... aleph_0 universes, aleph_1 universes, etc. We need faith to believe in anything different from our own consciousness here-and-now. But our perception (part of our consciousness) provides evidence for 1 un

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 18 Jan 2015, at 20:42, meekerdb wrote: > > On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > With the definition you gave in a preceding post, and with which I agree, > everyone believe in some God. The question is always: which one? And

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 18 Jan 2015, at 15:55, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 January 2015 at 18:43, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:12 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/17/2015 9:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Do you believe that one and only one of the following statements is true? the 10^(10^(10^1

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 19 Jan 2015, at 08:27, meekerdb wrote: On 1/18/2015 10:05 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 3:48 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/18/2015 9:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote: If you assume it is true (independent of our ability or anything in the universe's ability to conceive it), then

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 18 Jan 2015, at 21:29, meekerdb wrote: On 1/18/2015 7:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: For a logician, "true" means "satisfied by a reality", with *reality* modeled by the notion of *model*. This helps to avoid unnecessary philosophical debates. They are only unnecessary for those who have

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 18 Jan 2015, at 20:42, meekerdb wrote: On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: With the definition you gave in a preceding post, and with which I agree, everyone believe in some God. The question is always: which one? And where it does come from, and why. All philosophers and most s

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 18 Jan 2015, at 20:40, meekerdb wrote: On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: But observation and personal experience never prove anything. Spoken like a true Platonist - who never sat on a jury. Spoken like anyone remembering dreams. Bruno Brent -- You received this messa

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 18 Jan 2015, at 20:39, meekerdb wrote: On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Like 0 universe, 1 universe, 2 universe, ... aleph_0 universes, aleph_1 universes, etc. We need faith to believe in anything different from our own consciousness here-and-now. But our perception (part o

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/18/2015 10:05 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 3:48 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 1/18/2015 9:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote: If you assume it is true (independent of our ability or anything in the universe's ability to conceive it), then it

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 3:04 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 2:52:34 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:48 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List < >> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 3:48 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/18/2015 9:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > If you assume it is true (independent of our ability or anything in the > universe's ability to conceive it), then it is true independently of the > universe, and hence you get arithmetical realism. >

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/18/2015 9:16 AM, Jason Resch wrote: If you assume it is true (independent of our ability or anything in the universe's ability to conceive it), then it is true independently of the universe, and hence you get arithmetical realism. No, you just keep assuming that true=real. The truths of a

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 2:52:34 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:48 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 12:27:06 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:11 PM, '

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/18/2015 7:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: For a logician, "true" means "satisfied by a reality", with *reality* modeled by the notion of *model*. This helps to avoid unnecessary philosophical debates. They are only unnecessary for those who have already decided which model to believe. Brent

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: With the definition you gave in a preceding post, and with which I agree, everyone believe in some God. The question is always: which one? And where it does come from, and why. All philosophers and most scientists have some idea about what is fundamen

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: But observation and personal experience never prove anything. Spoken like a true Platonist - who never sat on a jury. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from thi

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Like 0 universe, 1 universe, 2 universe, ... aleph_0 universes, aleph_1 universes, etc. We need faith to believe in anything different from our own consciousness here-and-now. But our perception (part of our consciousness) provides evidence for 1 un

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 8:55 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On 18 January 2015 at 18:43, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:12 AM, meekerdb wrote: > >> > >> On 1/17/2015 9:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > >> > >> Do you believe that one and only one of the following statement

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 18 Jan 2015, at 08:43, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:12 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/17/2015 9:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Do you believe that one and only one of the following statements is true? the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 the 10^(10^(10^100))th decim

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 18 January 2015 at 18:43, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:12 AM, meekerdb wrote: >> >> On 1/17/2015 9:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> Do you believe that one and only one of the following statements is true? >> >> the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 >> the 10^(10

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 17 Jan 2015, at 23:29, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 3:47 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/17/2015 12:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Saturday, January 17, 2015, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/17/2015 2:29 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > Do you believe the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of

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On 17 Jan 2015, at 13:29, Samiya Illias wrote: http://m.deseretnews.com/ Michael Gerson: Modern science: Design of the divine? By Michael Gerson, Washington Post Published: Fri, Jan. 16 12:43 a.m. WASHINGTON — The biographer Eric Metaxas recently made waves by arguing that modern science i

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 16 Jan 2015, at 22:24, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > Take my definition of God in the Plotinus paper. That is God = the set of Gödel numbers of the true (in the standard model) sentences of arithmetic. So since according to you it was Chr

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On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:48 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 12:27:06 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:11 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List < >> everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>

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On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:12 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/17/2015 9:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > Do you believe that *one and only one* of the following statements is > true? > > the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 > the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 1 > the 10^(10^(10^100

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/17/2015 9:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Do you believe that *one and only one* of the following statements is true? the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 0 the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 1 the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of pi is 2 the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digi

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On Sunday, January 18, 2015 at 12:27:06 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:11 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > >> >> >> Roger, >>> >>> I have a question for you. >>> >>> Do you believe the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of Pi has

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:11 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > Roger, >> >> I have a question for you. >> >> Do you believe the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of Pi has a certain >> definite value, which is either 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9? >

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Roger, > > I have a question for you. > > Do you believe the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of Pi has a certain > definite value, which is either 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9? > > If so, would you still believe this if you knew that this number is too > difficult to ever compute by anyone

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On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 3:47 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/17/2015 12:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Saturday, January 17, 2015, meekerdb wrote: > > On 1/17/2015 2:29 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > Do you believe the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of Pi has a certain > definite value, whic

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/17/2015 12:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Saturday, January 17, 2015, meekerdb > wrote: > On 1/17/2015 2:29 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > Do you believe the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of Pi has a certain definite value, which is either 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Kim Jones wrote: >> I guess all those statues that the Egyptians and Babylonians carved were >> of the set of Godel numbers that were sentences of arithmetic. It must be >> tricky making a statue of Godel numbers, but somehow they pulled it off >> > > > Here you

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On Saturday, January 17, 2015, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/17/2015 2:29 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > Do you believe the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of Pi has a certain definite value, which is either 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9? > If so, would you still believe this if you knew that this number

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

On 1/17/2015 2:29 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Do you believe the 10^(10^(10^100))th decimal digit of Pi has a certain definite value, which is either 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9? If so, would you still believe this if you knew that this number is too difficult to ever compute by anyone in this

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On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:59 PM, meekerdb wrote: > What is behind the idea of the sun, what exactly is the sun? I don't know >> but I do know that the sun is not the heat on my face nor is it a image on >> my retina nor is it a idea in my mind, it is something more fundamental >> than that and

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On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 2:43 AM, Kim Jones wrote: > > > If you never change your mind - why have one? > > Excellent saying! I might have to quote you on it. :-) Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from thi

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On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:18 AM, 'Roger' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On Wednesday, January 14, 2015 at 5:28:03 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 14 Jan 2015, at 08:05, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote: >> >> I have to admit I have a hard time goi

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On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 3:16 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/15/2015 2:56 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > You seem to have a problem with "Platonism" as linguistic label, which I > say because I assume you value critical thought and scientific method on > semantic level. Because "believing

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On 1/16/2015 8:29 PM, John Clark wrote: What is behind the idea of the sun, what exactly is the sun? I don't know but I do know that the sun is not the heat on my face nor is it a image on my retina nor is it a idea in my mind, it is something more fundamental than that and more abstract. ??

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