Re: Sensing the presence of God

- From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-27, 07:03:11 Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God Hi Roger, Pro-life will lead to comp abuse, when you will get an artificial brain without your consent. Pro-life is risky making comp into a (pseudo)-religion, but comp

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On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 1:37:58 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Roger Clough > > wrote: > > > I sense God's presence. >> > > That's nice, but how do you know (and more important how do we know) if > you are sensing a omnipotent being who created the univers

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Hi Bruno Marchal That is, if comp actually works. Is there any experimental proof available ? - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-27, 07:03:11 Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God Hi Roger, Pro-life will lead to

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On 1/27/2013 3:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Jan 2013, at 05:43, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:20:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/24/2013 6:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:05:31 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/24/2013

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On 25 Jan 2013, at 05:43, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:20:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/24/2013 6:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:05:31 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/24/2013 5:14 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at

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content - From: Stathis Papaioannou Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-24, 20:14:48 Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:55 AM, meekerdb wrote: > It's probably a lot simpler than that. In the U.S. if you're an atheist it > may be hard to fi

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On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:46:14 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 1/24/2013 8:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > I don't know that not being able to talk to others about your (non) > religious beliefs would be cause for suicide though. > > > Not a cause, just the absence of a little preventio

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: everything-list Time: 2013-01-24, 20:14:48 Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:55 AM, meekerdb wrote: > It's probably a lot simpler than that. In the U.S. if you're an atheist it > may be hard to find a sympathetic ear. Depending a lot on where you

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On 1/24/2013 8:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: I don't know that not being able to talk to others about your (non) religious beliefs would be cause for suicide though. Not a cause, just the absence of a little prevention. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Googl

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On Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:20:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 1/24/2013 6:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:05:31 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> On 1/24/2013 5:14 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:55 AM, meekerdb wrote: >>

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On 1/24/2013 6:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:05:31 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/24/2013 5:14 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:55 AM, meekerdb> wrote: > >> It's probably a lot simpler than that. In the U.S. if you're an a

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On Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:05:31 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 1/24/2013 5:14 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:55 AM, meekerdb> > wrote: > > > >> It's probably a lot simpler than that. In the U.S. if you're an > atheist it > >> may be hard to find a sympat

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On 1/24/2013 5:14 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:55 AM, meekerdb wrote: It's probably a lot simpler than that. In the U.S. if you're an atheist it may be hard to find a sympathetic ear. Depending a lot on where you live, you may be isolated and reviled. Is that rea

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On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:55 AM, meekerdb wrote: > It's probably a lot simpler than that. In the U.S. if you're an atheist it > may be hard to find a sympathetic ear. Depending a lot on where you live, > you may be isolated and reviled. Is that really true? I was in the US recently for the fir

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On 1/24/2013 9:32 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:52:59 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg An article in the American Journal of Psychiatry in 2004 suggested that atheists might have

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Godless Nazi-Hippies that do whatever God says. Craig > > > > - Receiving the following content - > *From:* Craig Weinberg > *Receiver:* everything-list > *Time:* 2013-01-23, 12:48:50 > *Subject:* Re: Re: Sensing the presence of God > > > http:/

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On 13 Jan 2013, at 01:40, meekerdb wrote: On 1/12/2013 3:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jan 2013, at 21:47, meekerdb wrote: On 1/11/2013 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: What are its tenets that you believe on faith? That there is something different from me. But you have evidence

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On 12 Jan 2013, at 15:37, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jan 2013, at 21:47, meekerdb wrote: On 1/11/2013 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: What are its tenets that you believe on faith? That there is something different fr

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On 1/12/2013 3:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jan 2013, at 21:47, meekerdb wrote: On 1/11/2013 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: What are its tenets that you believe on faith? That there is something different from me. But you have evidence for that - if you can figure out what is meant b

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On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 11 Jan 2013, at 21:47, meekerdb wrote: > > On 1/11/2013 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > What are its tenets that you believe on faith? > > > That there is something different from me. > > > But you have evidence for that - if you

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he following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-11, 15:47:58 Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God On 1/11/2013 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: What are its tenets that you believe on faith? That there is something different from me. But you have evidence f

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On 12 Jan 2013, at 12:30, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Jan 2013, at 23:05, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 17:03, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4

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On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 8:35 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 10 Jan 2013, at 23:05, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 09 Jan 2013, at 17:03, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >

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On 11 Jan 2013, at 21:47, meekerdb wrote: On 1/11/2013 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: What are its tenets that you believe on faith? That there is something different from me. But you have evidence for that - if you can figure out what is meant by "me". I think you need faith to make

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8 Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God On 1/11/2013 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: What are its tenets that you believe on faith? That there is something different from me. But you have evidence for that - if you can figure out what is meant by "me". I think you nee

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On 1/11/2013 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: What are its tenets that you believe on faith? That there is something different from me. But you have evidence for that - if you can figure out what is meant by "me". I think you need faith to make data into evidence. That would vitiate the co

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On 10 Jan 2013, at 23:05, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 17:03, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:26, Telmo Menezes wrote: Where does hate, falsehood a

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On 10 Jan 2013, at 20:08, meekerdb wrote: On 1/10/2013 8:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 22:03, meekerdb wrote: On 1/9/2013 7:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:18, Roger Clough wrote: According to Plato, all love, all truth, and all beauty comes from t

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On 10 Jan 2013, at 19:30, meekerdb wrote: On 1/10/2013 7:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 19:37, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > I sense God's presence. That's nice, but how do you know (and more important how do we know) if you

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Hi Bruno Marchal OK. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/11/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-10, 12:04:54 Subject: Re: Sensing the p

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On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 09 Jan 2013, at 17:03, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:26, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> Where does hate, falsehood and ugliness come from? >> >> >> I am no

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On 1/10/2013 8:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 22:03, meekerdb wrote: On 1/9/2013 7:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:18, Roger Clough wrote: According to Plato, all love, all truth, and all beauty comes from the One (ie God). That being the case, when I ex

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On 1/10/2013 7:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 19:37, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Roger Clough > wrote: > I sense God's presence. That's nice, but how do you know (and more important how do we know) if you are sensing a o

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ready complete if deduced analytically ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/10/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-09, 12:10:16 Subject: Re: Sensing

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On 09 Jan 2013, at 22:03, meekerdb wrote: On 1/9/2013 7:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:18, Roger Clough wrote: According to Plato, all love, all truth, and all beauty comes from the One (ie God). That being the case, when I experience love, truth or beauty, I sense

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On 09 Jan 2013, at 19:37, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > I sense God's presence. That's nice, but how do you know (and more important how do we know) if you are sensing a omnipotent being who created the universe or if you are sensing a bad pota

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] 1/10/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-09, 12:10:16 Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God On 09 Jan 2013, at 17:03, Telmo Menezes wrote:

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On 1/9/2013 7:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:18, Roger Clough wrote: According to Plato, all love, all truth, and all beauty comes from the One (ie God). That being the case, when I experience love, truth or beauty, I sense God's presence. I can be OK with this, but this

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On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > I sense God's presence. > That's nice, but how do you know (and more important how do we know) if you are sensing a omnipotent being who created the universe or if you are sensing a bad potato that you ate yesterday? I've never had a mystica

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Dear John, On 09 Jan 2013, at 17:30, John Mikes wrote: you know we agree (mostly), you wrote lately that you are "more" agnostic than myself - what I doubt since your "religion" includes numbers and math(logic) and mine not. My "religion" (I prefer to say: my favorite working hypothesis)

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On 09 Jan 2013, at 17:03, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:26, Telmo Menezes wrote: Where does hate, falsehood and ugliness come from? I am not quite sure, but it comes probably from the consistency of inconsistency (t

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Dear Bruno, you know we agree (mostly), you wrote lately that you are "more" agnostic than myself - what I doubt since your "religion" includes numbers and math(logic) and mine not. What I take for "granted" is our limited capability to learn them all about the *infinite complexity* of which we fo

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On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:26, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Where does hate, falsehood and ugliness come from? > > > I am not quite sure, but it comes probably from the consistency of > inconsistency (that is: Gödel's second incompleteness theorem).

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tent - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-09, 07:26:45 Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God Where does hate, falsehood and ugliness come from? On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Roger Clough wrote: According to Plato, all love, all truth, and all beauty comes from

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On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:26, Telmo Menezes wrote: Where does hate, falsehood and ugliness come from? I am not quite sure, but it comes probably from the consistency of inconsistency (that is: Gödel's second incompleteness theorem). Actually it comes from the fact that Bf (inconsistency) give

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On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:18, Roger Clough wrote: According to Plato, all love, all truth, and all beauty comes from the One (ie God). That being the case, when I experience love, truth or beauty, I sense God's presence. I can be OK with this, but this will not convince an atheist, who wil

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eiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-09, 07:26:45 Subject: Re: Sensing the presence of God Where does hate, falsehood and ugliness come from? On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Roger Clough wrote: According to Plato, all love, all

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Where does hate, falsehood and ugliness come from? On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > > > According to Plato, all love, all truth, and all beauty comes from the One > (ie God). That being the case, when I experience love, truth or beauty, I > sense God's presence. > > > [Roge