--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote:
---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely
effortless
btw); the key point is Transcendental awareness. If it (pure
On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely
effortless btw); the key point is Transcendental awareness.
If it (pure Consciousness,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely effortless
btw);
Yes.
the key point is Transcendental awareness. If it (pure
Consciousness, Self-awareness), occurs for you regardless of the
amount
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote:
---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely
effortless btw); the key point is Transcendental awareness.
If it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote:
---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely
effortless btw); the key
Just a couple of points:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree. Actually, I was just trying to poke some fun on
the 'walking meditation' supposedly more effortless than
TM according to some here.
The meditation *component* of it is,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote:
---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
First this:
Ok...you can go back to arguing about whose techniques
and belief systems are best now. I just wanted to
correct your misstatement of what I've said.
Not my involvment, you know very well.
Just a couple
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But an approximation. And as such not bad.
Agreed. Not bad *at all*. *Especially* as compared
to forms of concentration. But I get the feeling
that some people aren't willing to live with TM's
effortlessness being
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
First this:
Ok...you can go back to arguing about whose techniques
and belief systems are best now. I just wanted to
correct your
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote:
---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely
effortless btw); the key point is Transcendental awareness.
If it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote:
---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote:
---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely
effortless btw); the key
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote:
---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely
effortless btw);
Yes.
the key point is Transcendental
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote:
---Effortless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote:
---Effortless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just a couple of points:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
no_reply@ wrote:
I agree. Actually, I was just trying to poke some fun on
the 'walking meditation' supposedly more effortless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote:
---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote:
---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely
effortless btw); the key
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote:
---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just a couple of points:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
no_reply@ wrote:
I agree. Actually, I was just trying to poke some fun on
the 'walking meditation' supposedly more effortless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote:
---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
[...]
People start jumping all over each other, normally-
mutually-supportive TBs start arguing with each other
over whose meditation is more
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
Just a couple of points:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
no_reply@ wrote:
I agree. Actually, I was just trying
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
I'd suggest it's about a couple of former TMers
feeling panicky because they're realizing they
missed the whole point.
Or perhaps, they DID get the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
Just a couple of points:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
wrote:
I'd suggest it's about a couple of former TMers
feeling panicky because they're
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The question is, why are you so desperate to prove
TM isn't effortless?
It might be asked (in fact I think I'll do that) why you, authfriend,
find something wrong with every single thing Turqoise says. And he
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
The question is, why are you so desperate to prove
TM isn't effortless?
It might be asked (in fact I think I'll do that) why you,
authfriend,
find
on 3/14/06 11:31 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perhaps this will help: If he stopped being such an
arrogant phony and acquired a measure of respect for
accuracy, I would probably find a lot fewer things
wrong with what he says.
Byron Katie to the rescue:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
Just a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
wrote:
The question is, why are you so desperate to prove
TM isn't effortless?
It
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
wrote:
--- In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Barry:
Apropos of our discussion regarding effortless meditation and
where
I asked you to give me the names of the meditation techniques that
you claimed were effortless practises (the same as or even more
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
shempmcgurk@ wrote:
Barry:
Apropos of our discussion regarding effortless meditation and
where
I asked you to give me the names of the meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Good luck with your detective work, although I
can't help but think that if you were actually
serious about wanting to know about another
technique of meditation to learn yourself, you'd
have been looking closer to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
Good luck with your detective work, although I
can't help but think that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
snip
In other words, I was correct about your intent in
this matter when you first brought all this up, and
you lied about that intent when I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
snip
In other words, I was correct about your intent in
this matter
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
shempmcgurk@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
snip
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
In other words, I was correct about your intent in
this matter when you first brought all this up, and
you lied about that intent when I called
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
shempmcgurk@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
Good luck with your detective work, although I
can't help but think that if you were actually
serious about wanting to know about another
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
shempmcgurk@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
snip
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
snip
In other words, I was correct about your intent in
this matter
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
shempmcgurk@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
In other words, I was correct about your intent in
this matter when
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could you describe in a bit more detail the effortless technique
you claim you learned there?
Glad to. It was a walking meditation that involved
paying attention to what was going on internally
and externally.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
Could you describe in a bit more detail the effortless technique
you claim you learned there?
Glad to. It was a walking meditation
---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely effortless
btw); the key point is Transcendental awareness. If it (pure
Consciousness, Self-awareness), occurs for you regardless of the
amount of effort, excellent.
Having exposed the primary goal, the question of effort is important
in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti
no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
Could you describe in a bit more detail the effortless
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely
effortless
btw); the key point is Transcendental awareness. If it (pure
Consciousness, Self-awareness), occurs for you regardless of the
amount of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely
effortless
btw); the key point is Transcendental awareness. If it (pure
Consciousness, Self-awareness), occurs for you regardless of the
amount of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
Wow. Shemp and Judy, cyberstalking together.
This could be the start of a new love affair. :-)
Jealous?
No...it's just that I thought Shemp had
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
shempmcgurk@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely
effortless btw); the key point is Transcendental awareness.
If it (pure Consciousness, Self-awareness), occurs for you
regardless of the amount of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry
hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote:
---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely
effortless btw); the key point is Transcendental awareness.
If it
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