[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: [snip] There is some evidence that American concentration camps are already built (and note I said evidence, I did not say proof), then

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: [snip] There is some evidence that American concentration

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 15, 2007, at 9:54 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Hi Vaj, what you are doing is cherry picking your 'evidence', to support your opinion. Do you know for certain that all of the Masters and teachers of what you call

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

Off, When you dismiss Angela's mind, your reputation just slips another notch -- if that's possible -- in the estimations of most here. Her posts are dizzy deep, awe-thentic, and openly the works of a lover of words, wisps, and wonders. With her level of expertise, no one here is going to be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Off, snip Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, you are missing my point. As I said, I have drawn some comparisons. I have drawn no conclusions, and I have called no

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hannah Arendt's books The Origin of Totalitarianism was a very powerful awakening to me Yay(as in jai), Hanna. Half a Davis summer reading her.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To the question who are they and how do I know it: Briefly the way Hitler got made was this: Two guys show up in Munich, both with a long string of aliases and both of them from abroad. Nobody knows where they

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dedicated to Nablososs Jai Guru Dev Love, Sri Sri Vaj Illuminati Headquarters Brocken Mountain, Germany I heard that from Maharishi myself, in Washington DC in 1983, when a reporter asked him what he

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the guys sent to find a person in Germany who would become a suitable dictator said as he was allegedly dying in a hospital in Shanghai that the people who run the world are in Tibet or were educated

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

How many Jews has Maharishi murdered? How many death camps has he set up? It must be hard for you living in this town, surrounded by a movement that resembles the Nazis so closely. It seems to me that your mind is so distorted, heaven knows by what, that you cannot make clear distinctions

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

Research has shown again and again that ordinary folks are very willing to hurt others with electric shock in laboratory settings. Experience has shown again and again that folks do not interfere when they see someone hurt someone else. Add to that absolute devotion to a guru, the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

I'm not exonerating anyone, nor am I blaming anyone. I assume that when you say that you've read everything you could find on WWII, you mean what you could find in English. I read German, French, and Russian and can get through Dutch, Italian, Spanish and Danish given time and a dictionary.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

I hope you're right. How do you know the stuff about the astral plane? books? original experience? other evidence? a nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the guys sent

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

How many atrocities have been committed by TMers? Your reasoning reminds me of the Rodney King trial in LA in 1992, when the defense managed to deconstruct the case to the extent that what was obviously true no longer appeared so. You take a few concepts and ideas, compare them to a few other

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

Your first question misses my point so completely, I'm at a loss as to how to respond. And no, it's not hard to live in this town. I chose it and love it here. a feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many Jews has Maharishi murdered? How many death camps has he

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

On Oct 15, 2007, at 10:46 AM, feste37 wrote: How many atrocities have been committed by TMers? Your reasoning reminds me of the Rodney King trial in LA in 1992, when the defense managed to deconstruct the case to the extent that what was obviously true no longer appeared so. You take a few

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

I’d like to comment on someone’s observation that Maharishi took the best and the brightest of the baby boomers and turned them into bug-eyed cult zombies. Another way of looking at it is that he took a bunch of drugged-out hippies and enabled them to live wholesome, productive lives. When I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

Thanks for confirming my point. I ask you a blunt question that draws out the implications of what you are saying, and you are at a loss as to how to respond. Precisely. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your first question misses my point so

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

You're doing the same thing as Angela. There is no comparison between the TM movement and the Nazis that can pass any kind of basic test (except on this board of course). Using these kinds of arguments I could prove that my granny resembled Stalin. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to comment on someone's observation that Maharishi took the best and the brightest of the baby boomers and turned them into bug-eyed cult zombies. That's total nonsense. Another way of looking at it is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not exonerating anyone, nor am I blaming anyone. I assume that when you say that you've read everything you could find on WWII, you mean what you could find in English. I read German, French, and Russian

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of do.rflex Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:51 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler Absolutely. My case wasn't as extreme but Transcendental Meditation got me to stop drug

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

Nabby, you have found a soul mate! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: One of the guys sent to find a person in Germany who would become a suitable dictator said as he

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

On Oct 15, 2007, at 12:24 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Nabby, you have found a soul mate! Think of the romantic evenings: channelling (sorry, OVERSHADOWING) together, waiting for the latest Maitreya sighting, chasing down Nazi reptilian shape-shifters, talking to lamas in Tibet over the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of do.rflex Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:51 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you watch The Occult History of the Third Reich, the BBC documentary, esp. the episode The SS: Blood and the Soil, it would become more apparent what the significance is. Prior to the arising of Hitler's

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

Some of you are a little hasty in drawing conclusions about what I've said so far and even the nature of my mind. So far, all I've done is drawn a few comparisons that life and study have presented me with. I have not drawn any of many possible conclusions that could be drawn from these

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

His point, Angela, seems to be that your paralleling the TMO and Nazi Germany is not to be taken seriously because, unlike the Nazis, the movement has never committed violence. True. However, fiesty Feste, Angela did already address this fact in her first or second post on the subject. She said

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

I could give you solid documentation for the fact that Trebitsch-Lincoln did in fact take a radio to the Dali Lama. Unfortunately for me, most of my sources are not in English. Where I went to grad school people did dismiss one another's ideas, but not without a better hearing than you've

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

Again, you are missing my point. As I said, I have drawn some comparisons. I have drawn no conclusions, and I have called no one either good or evil. a feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for confirming my point. I ask you a blunt question that draws out

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

Again let me state clearly that I have drawn some comparisons. I have made no judgments about either Hitler or Mahesh. Those judgments have all come from the group, not from me. a do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

You are still not getting it. You are judging Hitler as evil and Mahesh as good. This judgment blinds you to what I am doing. a feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're doing the same thing as Angela. There is no comparison between the TM movement and the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

You are making some unwarranted assumptions about what gets published where. Note that in your case they are assumptions since you don't read other languages. In my case, however, it's not assumptions but real reading experience and research experience. The two dudes that started the Thule

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of do.rflex Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:51 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler Absolutely. My case wasn't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

t's a big topic, and a little too early to dismiss it as unworthy of considerations. I've barely laid the groundwork. Uh oh... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of you are a little hasty in drawing conclusions about what I've said so far

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

I agree that the TMO can't be singled out, and if I did, I was in error. There's tons of New Age stuff around, just as there was in Germany before and during Hitler. Also, don't forget that I've been a meditator for going on sixty-two years now. The worst thing I've said about TMO and other

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] There is some evidence that American concentration camps are already built (and note I said evidence, I did not say proof), then those who man the gas valves will most likely not be the TM crowd. On the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

So the implication is that MMY, like the Nazis, has prepared his people to be nonchalant about mass murder by instilling New Age principles in them in advance of the violence. Any shred of evidence to support this preposterous notion? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

I see what you are doing very well. Here's my advice: forget about the Nazis. Thinking about them is doing you no good at all. Instead, go out and buy a big cookbook and cook a delicious meal for your man, if you have one. It will make you feel better. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

A manifestation similar to other manifestations during the pre-Nazi and Nazi era -- not necessarily cocreators, simply there concurrently. Is that clear? *I want every person to be complete in themselves. Your himsa has no placein my mission.* On 10/15/07, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

There is corroberating articles and perhaps even video at this link: http://NewUSConcentrationCamps.andmuchmore.com regarding US concentration camps already built. Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is *a moral

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

When did I say Mahesh prepared his people to commit mass murder? These are conclusions you are drawing, these are not accusations I am making. I'm beginning to think some folks in Ff don't know how to read. Not all responses have been on the level of get yourself barefoot into the kitchen,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

If you're referring to my comment it was about TTC not just people learning TM. Becoming a teacher was a magnitude much deeper than just being a meditator or even Sidha. What you're saying is that meditation became a replacement for drugs albeit a safe one. That would have worked with a lot

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

You must be very naive. The reason this poster is making such statements is to imply that TM people think like Nazis and are members of a proto-Nazi movement that has the potential to do much harm. It doesn't seem to bother her that she lives in this town and is slandering her friends and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

I'm witnessing much projection from people reading things into statements that in fact, both grammatically, literally, explicitly and imiplicitly are not being made by the people the misreaders are accusing of. As meditators, more mature objectivization is a consequence of sincerity in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You must be very naive. The reason this poster is making such statements is to imply that TM people think like Nazis and are members of a proto-Nazi movement that has the potential to do much harm. Same old story about

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

feste37 wrote: I see what you are doing very well. Here's my advice: forget about the Nazis. Thinking about them is doing you no good at all. Instead, go out and buy a big cookbook and cook a delicious meal for your man, if you have one. It will make you feel better. Edg: After what I've been

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

I'm always pleased to get a reaction. My advice to you is, acquire a sense of humor. Failing that, cook a meal for your woman, if you have one (or your man, if you happen to be a homosexual), and then maybe you'll calm down a bit. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

What you're failing to recognize is the technique of the smear. How many times have you heard a politician make a smear and then claim that his words are being taken out of context? The idea is simply to plant the seed, and then let it do its work while you pretend that you didn't really mean it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're referring to my comment it was about TTC not just people learning TM. Becoming a teacher was a magnitude much deeper than just being a meditator or even Sidha. What you're saying is that meditation became a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

On Oct 15, 2007, at 1:33 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: I could give you solid documentation for the fact that Trebitsch- Lincoln did in fact take a radio to the Dali Lama. Unfortunately for me, most of my sources are not in English. Where I went to grad school people did dismiss one

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

On Oct 15, 2007, at 1:24 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you watch The Occult History of the Third Reich, the BBC documentary, esp. the episode The SS: Blood and the Soil, it would become more apparent what the significance is.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 15, 2007, at 1:24 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: If you watch The Occult History of the Third Reich, the BBC documentary, esp. the episode The SS: Blood

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

On Oct 15, 2007, at 9:54 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: Hi Vaj, what you are doing is cherry picking your 'evidence', to support your opinion. Do you know for certain that all of the Masters and teachers of what you call numerous enlightenment traditions, all quite beautiful when passed on

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

35, Jim. Sayonara.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, you are missing my point. As I said, I have drawn some comparisons. I have drawn no conclusions, and I have called no one either good or evil. Angela, welcome to the board. You comparison is very dumb

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As you know, the Vedas depict many great demons, such as Ravana, as being extremely charismatic, learned, and highly evolved. In some cases the story is told that the demon had the choice of being born into a series of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 6:06 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: Yes, I totally agree. Hitler was used by those who still want to establish the New World Order. In fact, he was told in those exact terms, New World Order,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I totally agree. Hitler was used by those who still want to establish the New World Order. And who would that be? OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 6:06 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: Yes, I totally agree. Hitler was used by those who still want to establish the New World Order. In fact, he was told in those exact terms,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

One of the guys sent to find a person in Germany who would become a suitable dictator said as he was allegedly dying in a hospital in Shanghai that the people who run the world are in Tibet or were educated there. But he was a shady character capable of saying anything. One of Hitler's best

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no idea what you mean when you say, And are these same ideas being cloned onto splinter satsang groups? As for your other question, Are there significant parallels between the Third Reich and Mahesh's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the guys sent to find a person in Germany who would become a suitable dictator said as he was allegedly dying in a hospital in Shanghai that the people who run the world are in Tibet or were educated

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

Did I say or imply that it's better to strive to be an Untermensch? How did you arrive at that conclusion. I've made no judgment of any kind yet. I'm just comparing two things that seem to me to invite comparison. a off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

Flanegin wrote: My friend's response was that that attitude was a cop-out which allowed people to rationalize all sorts of mischief by gurus and other leaders. Thanks for sharing this-- Its a great piece of writing! I'd agree that good and evil, light and dark, balance each other out in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

I have seen no real evidence that there are off-world beings. So I do not believe or disbelieve their existence. This is not a question of belief, but a question of fact. Until there is credible evidence, I will keep an open mind on the question. That the people I mentioned said what they

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

Flanegin wrote: My friend's response was that that attitude was a cop-out which allowed people to rationalize all sorts of mischief by gurus and other leaders. Thanks for sharing this-- Its a great piece of writing! I'd agree that good and evil, light and dark, balance each other out in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did I say or imply that it's better to strive to be an Untermensch? How did you arrive at that conclusion. I've made no judgment of any kind yet. I'm just comparing two things that seem to me to invite

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela was right. MMY made his disciples into Nazis. Have you ever read anything about the Nazis? Do you know who they were, and what they did?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen no real evidence that there are off-world beings. So I do not believe or disbelieve their existence. This is not a question of belief, but a question of fact. Until there is credible evidence, I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flanegin wrote: My friend's response was that that attitude was a cop-out which allowed people to rationalize all sorts of mischief by gurus and other leaders. Thanks for sharing this-- Its a great

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 7:47 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: I have no idea what you mean when you say, And are these same ideas being cloned onto splinter satsang groups? Are these same Nazi-esque ideas from the TMO and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

To the question who are they and how do I know it: Briefly the way Hitler got made was this: Two guys show up in Munich, both with a long string of aliases and both of them from abroad. Nobody knows where they got their money, historians have looked and haven't been able to figure it out.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To the question who are they and how do I know it: Briefly the way Hitler got made was this: Two guys show up in Munich, both with a long string of aliases and both of them from abroad. Nobody knows where they

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flanegin wrote: My friend's response was that that attitude was a cop-out which allowed people to rationalize all sorts of mischief by gurus and other leaders. Thanks for sharing this-- Its a great

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

Atrocities are very possible when you believe that a) you are not the doer, b) it's all an illusion anyway, c) the atrocities are committed as a means to heaven on earth for a thousand years, and d) death is not real. a jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mahesh and Hitler

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Atrocities are very possible when you believe that a) you are not the doer, b) it's all an illusion anyway, c) the atrocities are committed as a means to heaven on earth for a thousand years, and d) death is not