[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was really interesting, thanks! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:20 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Good points. This one interested me the

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2006-06-15 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: snip I don't think anyone in the Movement has the balls to question MMY. But if they did he probably would say straight up that he is not

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2006-06-15 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 14, 2006, at 5:49 PM, Kirk wrote: a sign of guilt? or dualism of his mind? One would think that since he puts his photo on all his manifest actions he would place it in the Holy Tradition which is the

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2006-06-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 14, 2006, at 5:49 PM, Kirk wrote: a sign of guilt? or dualism of his mind? One would think that since he puts his photo on all his

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2006-06-15 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm not really part of or terribly interested in this conversation, but a funny thought just struck me. How long do you think it will take after

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2006-06-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm not really part of or terribly interested in this conversation, but a funny

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2006-06-15 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm not really part

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2006-06-15 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've no doubt that there will be a move to deify or whatever MMY (some already deify him), but I was responding mostly to your 5 years lmit. I don't think that there will be any move towards this from within the TMO for

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2006-06-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: I've no doubt that there will be a move to deify or whatever MMY (some already deify him), but I was responding mostly to your 5 years lmit. I don't

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway?

2006-06-15 Thread Vaj
On Jun 14, 2006, at 10:11 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ironically, these sorts of super corridors will be the very death of the country. Perfect way for sending in a Trojan Horse.We can't security-check all the containers coming in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread Vaj
On Jun 14, 2006, at 10:56 PM, coshlnx wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@  wrote: However, there could be a good deal of semantic ambiguity here, in light of how MMY defines Unity

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2006-06-15 Thread Kirk
I'm not really part of or terribly interested in thisconversation, but a funny thought just struck me.How long do you think it will take after Maharishidies for the True Believers to add his name to the puja? I'd bet less than five years.-Oh the whole - born from a bird in the Swiss

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 14, 2006, at 1:43 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: It was just a fascinating evening for me, watching her avoiding her own perceptions. I did not tell her before the talk that Rama could do siddhis, or to watch for them, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2006-06-15 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm not really part of or terribly interested in this conversation, but a funny

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: That was really interesting, thanks! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 14,

[FairfieldLife] Promises (was New file uploaded)

2006-06-15 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- sparaig wrote: So a promise is only valid as long as the other side keeps their side of the bargain? If it's truly a bargain - a business deal - I'd say yes. Either party breaking the terms of a contract nullifies the contract. (Any lawyers here who can speak to this?) If the promise,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread Vaj
On Jun 15, 2006, at 8:03 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 14, 2006, at 1:43 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: It was just a fascinating evening for me, watching her avoiding her own perceptions. I did not tell her before the talk that

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 15, 2006, at 8:03 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Unless of course she was pissed because she realized he was using some form of suggestion... Some Buddhist

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: However, there could be a good deal of semantic ambiguity here, in light of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2006-06-15 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife on 6/14/06 2:11 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:04 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 6/14/06 1:33 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does it make sense to go against the wishes of the person who gave you

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx coshlnx@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2006-06-15 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife on 6/14/06 4:14 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's clear that by raising the price of instruction, MMY wants the rate of initiations to be low (to avoid creating fear and havoc on an ignorant planet:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway?

2006-06-15 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 6/15/06 6:07:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Ironically, these sorts of super corridors will be the very death of the country.Perfect way for sending in a Trojan Horse.I would much rather have commerce flowing along a specific corridor than

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread curtisdeltablues
This is a frequent mistake people make, *assuming* that Maharishi [or another guru] is enlightened (I think psychologists refer to this phenomenon as transference), and then based on that assumption, interpret what Maharishi says as true, often misintepreting and misunderstanding what the guru

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2006-06-15 Thread Kirk
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife He has always flown into rages, sometimes for days on end. Often it has been against the Western governments, for their war-mongering, etc. Sometimes against the medical establishment. Sometimes, but usually for not as long,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway?

2006-06-15 Thread Kirk
In a message dated 6/15/06 6:07:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Ironically, these sorts of super corridors will be the very death of the country.Perfect way for sending in a Trojan Horse.I would much rather have commerce flowing along a specific corridor than

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread curtisdeltablues
The enlightened person, according to MMY's teaching, doesn't make mistakes *from nature's perspective*; but it's entirely possible for nature to want the enlightened person to make a mistake, for nature's own unfathomable purposes (e.g., to nudge the person's followers into using their own

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway?

2006-06-15 Thread Kirk
Not to mention that it's another act of someone who just will not listen to his people. In this way Bush is exactly like Maharishi. He is a megalomaniac. He wants his friends in Dubai to have some stake in American soil in spite of the no to port security deal, and the no to border

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread Kirk
'Nature' is a fallacy. This teaching is the bane of religious ethics and morality. The same issue was used by Hitler and is a mainstay of all megalomaniacs to allow them to issue any fatwa that they wish. - Original Message - From: curtisdeltablues To:

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a frequent mistake people make, *assuming* that Maharishi [or another guru] is enlightened (I think psychologists refer to this phenomenon as transference), and then based on that assumption,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread Kirk
So many people here considering themselves freethinking TMers who have gotten away from the cultish mentality, and yet, like a grain of sand in an oyster, people have made a pearl out of the utter mythical nonsense that MMY taught, which was based on lies, misappropriation of truth and

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Nature' is a fallacy. This teaching is the bane of religious ethics and morality. The same issue was used by Hitler and is a mainstay of all megalomaniacs to allow them to issue any fatwa that they wish. I don't think we

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread Vaj
On Jun 14, 2006, at 7:43 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:20 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Good points. This one interested me the most: "rather by recognizing that mysticism is completely beyond science." It is beyond

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a frequent mistake people make, *assuming* that Maharishi [or another guru] is enlightened (I think psychologists refer to this phenomenon as transference), and then based on that assumption,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread Kirk
The real mistake of the intellect from a true jnana perspective is the reification of any 'concept' as if it has some ultimate value. Thereby conditions are set up. The true majestic status of life is thereby undermined by the intellect, that is usurped from direct cognition instead into

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx coshlnx@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So many people here considering themselves freethinking TMers who have gotten away from the cultish mentality, and yet, like a grain of sand in an oyster, people have made a pearl out of the utter mythical nonsense that MMY

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway?

2006-06-15 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 6/15/06 10:36:28 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So in any case this overextention of our leaders shows the fall of this once great nation. Kirk, I'm curious, when, in your eyes, was our nation great and when did it start to fall? A time

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread Vaj
On Jun 15, 2006, at 2:20 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was really interesting, thanks!  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:20 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Good

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So many people here considering themselves freethinking TMers who have gotten away from the cultish mentality, and yet, like a grain of sand in an oyster, people have made a pearl out of the utter mythical nonsense that MMY

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway?

2006-06-15 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 6/15/06 11:06:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you had said something different M, I would have freaked, lost my footing, and maybe hit my head on something in surprise. I don't suppose you find that the new supercorridor may

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The enlightened person, according to MMY's teaching, doesn't make mistakes *from nature's perspective*; but it's entirely possible for nature to want the enlightened person to make a mistake, for nature's own

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: This is a frequent mistake people make, *assuming* that Maharishi [or another guru] is enlightened (I think psychologists refer to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway?

2006-06-15 Thread Bhairitu
Kirk wrote: Not to mention that it's another act of someone who just will not listen to his people. In this way Bush is exactly like Maharishi. He is a megalomaniac. He wants his friends in Dubai to have some stake in American soil in spite of the no to port security deal, and the no to border

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread curtisdeltablues
And also regarding getting escorted out, were those that this happened to respectful? Just curious, because we'd be treated similarly in any company meeting if openly challenging a CEO disrespecfully- not making any assumptions here, just gethering info. Thanks You make a good point here.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 15, 2006, at 2:20 AM, sparaig wrote: snip Well, let's see, Ken Wilber, a rather superficial (sorry Judy) philosopher who has had a few grad-level QM courses as part of his work in biology, concludes that QM

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread curtisdeltablues
Did your wife perhaps have some doubts about whether you were enlightened? Yeah, that was it. She had way too much counter-evidence! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And also regarding getting escorted out, were those that this happened to respectful? Just curious, because we'd be treated similarly in any company meeting if openly challenging a CEO disrespecfully- not making

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread Peter
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So many people here considering themselves freethinking TMers who have gotten away from the cultish mentality, and yet, like a grain of sand in an oyster, people have made

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Just because he said he was enlightened, why did they believe it? This is a deep point. I'm sure you know all about Lifton's

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway?

2006-06-15 Thread Kirk
It was great prior to the usurping of the presidency by the right. Now it is a dictatorship. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Administration Quietly

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: That was really interesting, thanks! --- In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway?

2006-06-15 Thread Kirk
I think it would be more wise to seek a psychiatrist and deal with your paranoia especially if you think the government is spying on yo You don't think the governent is spying on us? http://www.aclu.org/safefree/spying/index.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread curtisdeltablues
I don't know 'Lifton' or what that refers to. My take on why people ascribe stuff to their teachers is they want to personalize their own inner transformation, and the teacher is a convenient...target? lol. I'm sure this is true in many relationships. I think when he adopted the name Maharishi,

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 14, 2006, at 7:43 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:20 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Good points. This one interested me the most:

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2006-06-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'm

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx coshlnx@ wrote: ---

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread Kirk
MMY=Shiva...You didn't know that? Who else could hebe? Sudra Mahesh Varma __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I've always interpretted no mistake as meaning that a mistake is something that detracts from one's evolution towards higher states of consciousness. I'll bet you a zillion dollars you can't come up with an

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread Sal Sunshine
A great example of this was when he came here, sometime in the late 70s I think, he apparently made the offhand remark that someone's sari was really nice, or something to that effect. Next time he came--most of the women were wearing saris, and he couldn't believe it and wanted to know why. Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY=Shiva...You didn't know that? Who else could he be? Sudra Mahesh Varma I vote for Bob's Big Boy! checkered overalls and everything. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo!

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know 'Lifton' or what that refers to. My take on why people ascribe stuff to their teachers is they want to personalize their own inner transformation, and the teacher is a convenient...target? lol.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread Vaj
On Jun 15, 2006, at 1:34 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 14, 2006, at 7:43 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:On Jun 14, 2006, at 3:20 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Good points. This

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread Kirk
Flippancy isn't neccesarily a sense of humour. It's more a state of egoic conceit. - Original Message - From: jim_flanegin To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field' --- In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway?

2006-06-15 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 6/15/06 12:33:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think it would be more wise to seek a psychiatrist and deal with your paranoia especially if you think the government is spying on yo You don't think the governent is spying on

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway?

2006-06-15 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 6/15/06 12:28:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was great prior to the usurping of the presidency by the right. Now it is a dictatorship. Usurp?I recall the USSC settling the matter you speak of. Dictatorship? you don't think

[FairfieldLife] V for Vendetta 9-11 Vid

2006-06-15 Thread Bhairitu
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 15, 2006, at 1:34 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 14, 2006, at 7:43 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Death of the Internet Vid

2006-06-15 Thread Bhairitu
Excellent video on the Net Neutrality Issue (shows what a moron/rakshasa Mr. ATT Ed Whitacre is). http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4778507074363208869 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread Bhairitu
Peter wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So many people here considering themselves freethinking TMers who have gotten away from the cultish mentality, and yet, like a grain of sand in an

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Administration Quietly Plans NAFTA Super Highway?

2006-06-15 Thread Kirk
See that Psychiatrist. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread curtisdeltablues
[Quoting Schroedinger:] Let us see whether we cannot draw the correct, noncontradictory conclusion from the following two premises: (i) My body functions as a pure mechanism according to the Laws of Nature [determinism]. ME: This is about the physical body. (ii) Yet I know, by

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flippancy isn't neccesarily a sense of humour. It's more a state of egoic conceit. OK- but I was being seriously absurd- there's a place for that I thought... - Original Message - From: jim_flanegin To:

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip Also, I'm not at all sure what Wilber says in this vein contradicts Hagelin. I think

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread Vaj
On Jun 15, 2006, at 3:31 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 15, 2006, at 1:34 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:On Jun 14, 2006, at 7:43 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Quoting Schroedinger:] Let us see whether we cannot draw the correct, noncontradictory conclusion from the following two premises: (i) My body functions as a pure mechanism according to the Laws of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread Kirk
OK- but I was being seriously absurd- there's a place for that I thought...---Oh, yes, that's okay then. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment the hard way

2006-06-15 Thread Kirk
Interesting article. He had a very hard pointing out experience. How lucky one is if they don't have to go through all that. Watching Katrina was very much like this for us. Especially for my wife - a native of NOLA. I would very much say that this person is making a statement beyond

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2006-06-15 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/14/06 4:14 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's clear that by raising the price of instruction, MMY wants the rate of initiations to be low (to avoid creating fear and havoc on an

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2006-06-15 Thread Kirk
***That's unlikely, but even if true, we're still not talking about a large number of initiations.---At some point initiations will be considered less important than continuations. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK- but I was being seriously absurd- there's a place for that I thought... ---Oh, yes, that's okay then. Just to clarify, Peter had asked who else Maharishi could be? I thought that the way he asked the question

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: [Quoting Schroedinger:] Let us see whether we cannot draw the correct, noncontradictory conclusion from the following two

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2006-06-15 Thread Vaj
On Jun 15, 2006, at 5:28 PM, bob_brigante wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/14/06 4:14 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's clear that by raising the price of instruction, MMY wants the rate of initiations to be low (to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread Kirk
So you see, I was being seriously absurd. Maybe it worked, and maybe it didn't. Just a little bit of fun. ---I think we both missed the mark and that he meant that everybody is Shiva. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread Vaj
On Jun 15, 2006, at 3:31 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 15, 2006, at 1:34 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 14, 2006, at 7:43 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread Vaj
On Jun 15, 2006, at 9:28 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I can see how a magical display would make more sense, esp.   if inner qualities were lacking. It makes sense if you weren't there. If you were  there, it seems a lot like someone trying to cling  to his preconceptions.  :-)  In this case what it

[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2006-06-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 6/14/06 4:14 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's clear that by raising the price of instruction, MMY wants

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] I was going by the talk, which was represented as showing that anyone who talks

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: OK- but I was being seriously absurd- there's a place for that I thought... ---Oh, yes, that's okay then. Just to clarify, Peter

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: OK- but I was being seriously absurd- there's a place for that I

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [...] I was

[FairfieldLife] What are the most significant inventions that have come from Fairfield?

2006-06-15 Thread blissbunn1
What are the most significant inventions that have come from Fairfield? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lik1AB/fOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread Vaj
On Jun 15, 2006, at 7:23 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote: [...] I was going by the talk, which was

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

2006-06-15 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: [Quoting Schroedinger:] Let us see whether we cannot

[FairfieldLife] Ethics Enlightenment (was, Clarifying...

2006-06-15 Thread Vaj
http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6 __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics Enlightenment (was, Clarifying...

2006-06-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6 Already I'm disagreeing with him. Doing/having dualistic attitudes and behavior have nothing to do with enlightenment. Likewise, maximal activity (of whatever kind) in the relative world has

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics Enlightenment (was, Clarifying...

2006-06-15 Thread Vaj
On Jun 15, 2006, at 10:10 PM, sparaig wrote:Already I'm disagreeing with him. Doing/having dualistic attitudes and behavior have nothing  to do with enlightenment. Interesting theory. So do think Patanjali lied in the Yoga sutras? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] KW on new physics and mysticism

2006-06-15 Thread Vaj
from a footnote (!) in Sex, Ecology, Spirituality  Nowhere are the catastrophes of taking monological sciences and trying to make them into a complete "new paradigm" more obvious than in the "new physics and mysticism" writers and theorists, whose names are simply too legend to begin even a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics Enlightenment (was, Clarifying...

2006-06-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 15, 2006, at 10:10 PM, sparaig wrote: Already I'm disagreeing with him. Doing/having dualistic attitudes and behavior have nothing to do with enlightenment. Interesting theory. So do think Patanjali lied in

[FairfieldLife] Re: KW on new physics and mysticism

2006-06-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from a footnote (!) in Sex, Ecology, Spirituality Nowhere are the catastrophes of taking monological sciences and trying to make them into a complete new paradigm more obvious than in the new physics and mysticism

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