[FairfieldLife] Re: The Uninhabitable Earth

[skymt...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/07/is-the-earth-really-that-doomed/533112/
 
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/07/is-the-earth-really-that-doomed/533112/
 Are We as Doomed as That New York Magazine Article Says?

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

. 
Creating Heaven on Earth ..

 The Transcendental Meditation program, bringing the experience of 
Transcendental Consciousness, pure consciousness, nourishes all areas of life 
and purifies human awareness, rendering life worthy of reaching the altar of 
God—one's own God—through one's own religion.
Here is the key to living life in accordance with the will of God—, Natural 
Law—, and enjoying Heaven on Earth.'—  -Maharishi
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Text, 

 copied from a published 1993 color calendar produced by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 
original in the collection of the State of Iowa archives. 

 

 "Since time immemorial the creation of Heaven on Earth has been the highest 
aspiration of religions. All religions teach, however, that if Heaven is to be 
created on earth, it can happen only by having enough individuals whose 
consciousness is fully developed; that is, individuals whose consciousness is 
so expanded that it becomes one with the supreme intelligence of nature which 
permeates the whole universe and upholds all of creation.
 

 Heaven on Earth will be a living expression of pure knowledge and it's 
infinite organizing power. It will brilliantly display Nature's functioning 
bringing supreme fulfillment to life.
 

 With reference to CULTURE, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by cultural 
integrity in which every nation will blossom in the richness of its natural 
cultural dignity. Life will be lived spontaneously in accord with the natural 
law of the land. No culture will overshadow any other culture. The whole world 
family will be a beautiful mosaic of different cultures. With the full 
blossoming of culture on earth, civilization will be perfect. Heaven on Earth 
will be characterized by a perfect civilization.
 

 With Heaven on Earth, every nation will spontaneously radiate a nourishing 
influence to neighboring nations, and the whole family of nations will 
naturally enjoy harmony and real freedom.
 

 With Heaven on Earth, INVINCIBILITY will be the national characteristic of 
every nation, victory before war will be enjoyed by every nation.
 

 With reference to DEFENSE, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by victory 
before war -in the lack of the need to prepare for defense- because everything 
and everyone will be on the path of evolution, and as a result, coherence in 
every country will be so strong that invincibility will be a natural feature of 
national life. No negativity will arise and no enemy will be born for any 
nation.
 

 Heaven on Earth on the COLLECTIVE level will be characterized by indomitable 
positivity, harmony, and peace on all levels of collective life -family, 
community, nation, and the world. Heaven on Earth will also be characterized by 
perfection in all areas of the life of the individual and society.
 

 Heaven on Earth on the INDIVIDUAL level will be characterized by perfect 
health, long life in bliss, the ability to effortlessly fulfill one's desires, 
and live always in a beautiful, ever fresh, and nourishing environment.
 

 Considering all the innumerable values of life and living, Heaven on Earth 
will be characterized by all good everywhere and non-good nowhere – beautiful 
sunshine of the Age of Enlightenment for everyone always and everywhere.
 

 With reference to LIVING, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by 
self-sufficiency in the ability to know anything, do anything, and accomplish 
anything.
 

 With reference to LIFE, Heaven on Earth is characterized by perfection, 
complete balance and integration. Fulfillment will prevail on all levels of 
life and living -spiritual, intellectual, physical, material, environment, and 
cosmic.
 

 Heaven on Earth may be defined as the supreme quality of life everywhere in 
this beautiful world when weakness and suffering is not found anywhere, and 
everyone in the world enjoys real freedom in bliss and fulfillment. This Heaven 
on Earth is now going to be real for everyone and every nation.
 

 Heaven on Earth has been the most laudable aspiration of the wise throughout 
the ages. Creation of Heaven on Earth is the most desirable project in the 
entire history of the human race. Everyone can now enjoy Heaven on Earth 
through perfect alliance with Natural Law, through the enlivenment of the total 
potential of Natural Law in one's own consciousness."
 

 . 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The Transcendental Meditation program, bringing the experience of 
Transcendental Consciousness, pure consciousness, nourishes all areas of life 
and purifies human awareness, rendering life worthy of reaching the altar of 
God—one's own God—through one's own religion.
Here is the key to living life in accordance with the will of God—, Natural 
Law—, and enjoying Heaven on Earth.'—  -Maharishi
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 Text, copied from a published 1993 color calendar produced by Maharishi Mahesh 
Yogi, original in the collection of the State of Iowa archives. 

 

 "Since time immemorial the creation of Heaven on Earth has been the highest 
aspiration of religions. All religions teach, however, that if Heaven is to be 
created on earth, it can happen only by having enough individuals whose 
consciousness is fully developed; that is, individuals whose consciousness is 
so expanded that it becomes one with the supreme intelligence of nature which 
permeates the whole universe and upholds all of creation.
 

 Heaven on Earth will be a living expression of pure knowledge and it's 
infinite organizing power. It will brilliantly display Nature's functioning 
bringing supreme fulfillment to life.
 

 With reference to CULTURE, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by cultural 
integrity in which every nation will blossom in the richness of its natural 
cultural dignity. Life will be lived spontaneously in accord with the natural 
law of the land. No culture will overshadow any other culture. The whole world 
family will be a beautiful mosaic of different cultures. With the full 
blossoming of culture on earth, civilization will be perfect. Heaven on Earth 
will be characterized by a perfect civilization.
 

 With Heaven on Earth, every nation will spontaneously radiate a nourishing 
influence to neighboring nations, and the whole family of nations will 
naturally enjoy harmony and real freedom.
 

 With Heaven on Earth, INVINCIBILITY will be the national characteristic of 
every nation, victory before war will be enjoyed by every nation.
 

 With reference to DEFENSE, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by victory 
before war -in the lack of the need to prepare for defense- because everything 
and everyone will be on the path of evolution, and as a result, coherence in 
every country will be so strong that invincibility will be a natural feature of 
national life. No negativity will arise and no enemy will be born for any 
nation.
 

 Heaven on Earth on the COLLECTIVE level will be characterized by indomitable 
positivity, harmony, and peace on all levels of collective life -family, 
community, nation, and the world. Heaven on Earth will also be characterized by 
perfection in all areas of the life of the individual and society.
 

 Heaven on Earth on the INDIVIDUAL level will be characterized by perfect 
health, long life in bliss, the ability to effortlessly fulfill one's desires, 
and live always in a beautiful, ever fresh, and nourishing environment.
 

 Considering all the innumerable values of life and living, Heaven on Earth 
will be characterized by all good everywhere and non-good nowhere – beautiful 
sunshine of the Age of Enlightenment for everyone always and everywhere.
 

 With reference to LIVING, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by 
self-sufficiency in the ability to know anything, do anything, and accomplish 
anything.
 

 With reference to LIFE, Heaven on Earth is characterized by perfection, 
complete balance and integration. Fulfillment will prevail on all levels of 
life and living -spiritual, intellectual, physical, material, environment, and 
cosmic.
 

 Heaven on Earth may be defined as the supreme quality of life everywhere in 
this beautiful world when weakness and suffering is not found anywhere, and 
everyone in the world enjoys real freedom in bliss and fulfillment. This Heaven 
on Earth is now going to be real for everyone and every nation.
 

 Heaven on Earth has been the most laudable aspiration of the wise throughout 
the ages. Creation of Heaven on Earth is the most desirable project in the 
entire history of the human race. Everyone can now enjoy Heaven on Earth 
through perfect alliance with Natural Law, through the enlivenment of the total 
potential of Natural Law in one's own consciousness."
 

 . 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 All this enthusiasm for dancing is putting me in quite a tizz. I do not dance. 
II once took ballroom dancing lessons for about four months, but I found that 
it took a long time for a message from my brain to reach my feet, by which time 
the music had moved on. It didn't help either that I had a partner who from 
time to time, as I was clumsily maneuvering her around the floor, would say, 
"Feste, I'm bored." Wimmin!
 

 Hee, hee. Feste, even you could dance as well as that wild flash mob in the 
town square there. 
 And, I would have thought your dance partner wouldn't have been bored, she 
would have been too busy avoiding your feet!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Contra Dancing too in Fairfield, Iowa 

 Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1

Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI
 
 Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI Contra dance flash mob in 
Fairfield, IA at the May 2014 Artwalk.


 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square Dancing itself has really taken hold in meditating Fairfield, Iowa as a 
subset.  Club square dancing in America generally has been in long decline but 
what has happened is a marvel that square dancing has erupted [revived] more 
recently in Fairfield as a vehicle of social interaction. The rote form seems 
to appeal to the white collar demographic within the meditating community.

 An aspect different here from larger [anonymous] urban America now is that 
Fairfield, Iowa meditators are a recognizable community in their own way.  
Meditators as a group have a communal demographic in a way that America is not 
as communal as it may have been earlier in the 20th Century whence square 
dancing was integral to rural social fabrics.   

 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ 
 
 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ Square dance 
activities in Fairfield iowa including classes, dances, and general information


 
 View on www.fairfieldsquaredance.com http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well yes,  there is a lot of community dancing in Fairfield, Iowa.  Has been 
from way back in the meditating community.
 It appeals to the communal arts of music and dance in meditating Fairfield.  
 

 Was a big social thing that was hosted on campus for years until they started 
removing people's Dome meditation badges that included/ allowed meditators in 
to the group meditations and movement meetings.  With their administration 
[exclusion] of old meditators from the Domes and campus events the music and 
dancing of the larger meditating community moved off campus from those times.  
 

 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ 
 
 http://fairfolk.org/
 
 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ Bare Necessities Bare 
Necessities Peter Barnes, Earl Gaddis, Mary Lea & Jacqueline Schwab, with 
Joseph Pimentel, Caller Advanced English ...


 
 View on fairfolk.org http://fairfolk.org/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


  
 

 

 

 

 More Fairfield data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely escape me. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[feste37]

And I was paying for the lessons too! (Yes, I did tread on her feet on one or 
two occasions, I think.)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 All this enthusiasm for dancing is putting me in quite a tizz. I do not dance. 
II once took ballroom dancing lessons for about four months, but I found that 
it took a long time for a message from my brain to reach my feet, by which time 
the music had moved on. It didn't help either that I had a partner who from 
time to time, as I was clumsily maneuvering her around the floor, would say, 
"Feste, I'm bored." Wimmin!
 

 Hee, hee. Feste, even you could dance as well as that wild flash mob in the 
town square there. 
 And, I would have thought your dance partner wouldn't have been bored, she 
would have been too busy avoiding your feet!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Contra Dancing too in Fairfield, Iowa 

 Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1

Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI
 
 Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI Contra dance flash mob in 
Fairfield, IA at the May 2014 Artwalk.


 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square Dancing itself has really taken hold in meditating Fairfield, Iowa as a 
subset.  Club square dancing in America generally has been in long decline but 
what has happened is a marvel that square dancing has erupted [revived] more 
recently in Fairfield as a vehicle of social interaction. The rote form seems 
to appeal to the white collar demographic within the meditating community.

 An aspect different here from larger [anonymous] urban America now is that 
Fairfield, Iowa meditators are a recognizable community in their own way.  
Meditators as a group have a communal demographic in a way that America is not 
as communal as it may have been earlier in the 20th Century whence square 
dancing was integral to rural social fabrics.   

 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ 
 
 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ Square dance 
activities in Fairfield iowa including classes, dances, and general information


 
 View on www.fairfieldsquaredance.com http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well yes,  there is a lot of community dancing in Fairfield, Iowa.  Has been 
from way back in the meditating community.
 It appeals to the communal arts of music and dance in meditating Fairfield.  
 

 Was a big social thing that was hosted on campus for years until they started 
removing people's Dome meditation badges that included/ allowed meditators in 
to the group meditations and movement meetings.  With their administration 
[exclusion] of old meditators from the Domes and campus events the music and 
dancing of the larger meditating community moved off campus from those times.  
 

 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ 
 
 http://fairfolk.org/
 
 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ Bare Necessities Bare 
Necessities Peter Barnes, Earl Gaddis, Mary Lea & Jacqueline Schwab, with 
Joseph Pimentel, Caller Advanced English ...


 
 View on fairfolk.org http://fairfolk.org/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


  
 

 

 

 

 More Fairfield data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely escape me. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

We're all getting old, aren't we!  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Contra Dancing too in Fairfield, Iowa 

 Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1

Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI
 
 Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI Contra dance flash mob in 
Fairfield, IA at the May 2014 Artwalk.


 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square Dancing itself has really taken hold in meditating Fairfield, Iowa as a 
subset.  Club square dancing in America generally has been in long decline but 
what has happened is a marvel that square dancing has erupted [revived] more 
recently in Fairfield as a vehicle of social interaction. The rote form seems 
to appeal to the white collar demographic within the meditating community.

 An aspect different here from larger [anonymous] urban America now is that 
Fairfield, Iowa meditators are a recognizable community in their own way.  
Meditators as a group have a communal demographic in a way that America is not 
as communal as it may have been earlier in the 20th Century whence square 
dancing was integral to rural social fabrics.   

 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ 
 
 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ Square dance 
activities in Fairfield iowa including classes, dances, and general information


 
 View on www.fairfieldsquaredance.com http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well yes,  there is a lot of community dancing in Fairfield, Iowa.  Has been 
from way back in the meditating community.
 It appeals to the communal arts of music and dance in meditating Fairfield.  
 

 Was a big social thing that was hosted on campus for years until they started 
removing people's Dome meditation badges that included/ allowed meditators in 
to the group meditations and movement meetings.  With their administration 
[exclusion] of old meditators from the Domes and campus events the music and 
dancing of the larger meditating community moved off campus from those times.  
 

 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ 
 
 http://fairfolk.org/
 
 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ Bare Necessities Bare 
Necessities Peter Barnes, Earl Gaddis, Mary Lea & Jacqueline Schwab, with 
Joseph Pimentel, Caller Advanced English ...


 
 View on fairfolk.org http://fairfolk.org/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


  
 

 

 

 

 More Fairfield data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely escape me. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Well yes,  there is a lot of community dancing in Fairfield, Iowa.  Has been 
from way back in the meditating community.
 It appeals to the communal arts of music and dance in meditating Fairfield.  
 

 Was a big social thing that was hosted on campus for years until they started 
removing people's Dome meditation badges that included/ allowed meditators in 
to the group meditations and movement meetings.  With their administrative of 
old meditators from the Domes and campus events the music and dancing of the 
meditating community moved off campus from those times.  
 

 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ 
 
 http://fairfolk.org/ 
 
 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ Bare Necessities Bare 
Necessities Peter Barnes, Earl Gaddis, Mary Lea & Jacqueline Schwab, with 
Joseph Pimentel, Caller Advanced English ...
 
 
 
 View on fairfolk.org http://fairfolk.org/ 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


  
 

 

 

 

 More Fairfield data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely escape me. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Square Dancing itself has really taken hold in meditating Fairfield as a 
subset.  Club square dancing in America generally has been in long decline but 
what has happened is a marvel that square dancing has erupted [revived] more 
recently in Fairfield as a vehicle of social interaction. The rote form seems 
to appeal to the white collar demographic within the meditating community.

 An aspect different here from larger [anonymous] urban America now is that 
Fairfield, Iowa meditators are a recognizable community in their own way.  
Meditators as a group have a communal demographic in a way that America is not 
as communal as it may have been earlier in the 20th Century whence square 
dancing was integral to rural social fabrics.   

 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ 
 
 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ Square dance 
activities in Fairfield iowa including classes, dances, and general information
 
 
 
 View on www.fairfieldsquaredance.com http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well yes,  there is a lot of community dancing in Fairfield, Iowa.  Has been 
from way back in the meditating community.
 It appeals to the communal arts of music and dance in meditating Fairfield.  
 

 Was a big social thing that was hosted on campus for years until they started 
removing people's Dome meditation badges that included/ allowed meditators in 
to the group meditations and movement meetings.  With their administration 
[exclusion] of old meditators from the Domes and campus events the music and 
dancing of the meditating community moved off campus from those times.  
 

 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ 
 
 http://fairfolk.org/
 
 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ Bare Necessities Bare 
Necessities Peter Barnes, Earl Gaddis, Mary Lea & Jacqueline Schwab, with 
Joseph Pimentel, Caller Advanced English ...


 
 View on fairfolk.org http://fairfolk.org/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


  
 

 

 

 

 More Fairfield data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely escape me. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well yes,  there is a lot of community dancing in Fairfield, Iowa.  Has been 
from way back in the meditating community.
 It appeals to the communal arts of music and dance in meditating Fairfield.  
 

 Was a big social thing that was hosted on campus for years until they started 
removing people's Dome meditation badges that included/ allowed meditators in 
to the group meditations and movement meetings.  With their administrative of 
old meditators from the Domes and campus events the music and dancing of the 
meditating community moved off campus from those times.  
 

 This also reminds me when I was a student at MIU and I had this boyfriend who 
was with me in the art department. He was too nice a guy for me, in the end, a 
bit too soft spoken and conservative but a lovely person nevertheless. Here I 
was the girl tearing up the carpet at the Student Union dances and he actually 
talked me into attending WALTZING CLASSES in the gym. I went, we waltzed. 
Perhaps that is when I broke up with him - after dance class number 2 or 3. LOL
 

 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ 
 
 http://fairfolk.org/
 
 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ Bare Necessities Bare 
Necessities Peter Barnes, Earl Gaddis, Mary Lea & Jacqueline Schwab, with 
Joseph Pimentel, Caller Advanced English ...


 
 View on fairfolk.org http://fairfolk.org/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


  
 

 

 

 

 More Fairfield data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely escape me. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Contra Dancing too in Fairfield, Iowa 

 Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1

Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI 
 
 Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI Contra dance flash mob in 
Fairfield, IA at the May 2014 Artwalk.
 
 
 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square Dancing itself has really taken hold in meditating Fairfield, Iowa as a 
subset.  Club square dancing in America generally has been in long decline but 
what has happened is a marvel that square dancing has erupted [revived] more 
recently in Fairfield as a vehicle of social interaction. The rote form seems 
to appeal to the white collar demographic within the meditating community.

 An aspect different here from larger [anonymous] urban America now is that 
Fairfield, Iowa meditators are a recognizable community in their own way.  
Meditators as a group have a communal demographic in a way that America is not 
as communal as it may have been earlier in the 20th Century whence square 
dancing was integral to rural social fabrics.   

 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ 
 
 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ Square dance 
activities in Fairfield iowa including classes, dances, and general information


 
 View on www.fairfieldsquaredance.com http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well yes,  there is a lot of community dancing in Fairfield, Iowa.  Has been 
from way back in the meditating community.
 It appeals to the communal arts of music and dance in meditating Fairfield.  
 

 Was a big social thing that was hosted on campus for years until they started 
removing people's Dome meditation badges that included/ allowed meditators in 
to the group meditations and movement meetings.  With their administration 
[exclusion] of old meditators from the Domes and campus events the music and 
dancing of the larger meditating community moved off campus from those times.  
 

 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ 
 
 http://fairfolk.org/
 
 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ Bare Necessities Bare 
Necessities Peter Barnes, Earl Gaddis, Mary Lea & Jacqueline Schwab, with 
Joseph Pimentel, Caller Advanced English ...


 
 View on fairfolk.org http://fairfolk.org/
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


  
 

 

 

 

 More Fairfield data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely escape me. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[feste37]

All this enthusiasm for dancing is putting me in quite a tizz. I do not dance. 
II once took ballroom dancing lessons for about four months, but I found that 
it took a long time for a message from my brain to reach my feet, by which time 
the music had moved on. It didn't help either that I had a partner who from 
time to time, as I was clumsily maneuvering her around the floor, would say, 
"Feste, I'm bored." Wimmin!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Contra Dancing too in Fairfield, Iowa 

 Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1

Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI
 
 Contra Dance Flash Mob Fairfield, IA, video #1 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI Contra dance flash mob in 
Fairfield, IA at the May 2014 Artwalk.


 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OMh__1dvZI 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square Dancing itself has really taken hold in meditating Fairfield, Iowa as a 
subset.  Club square dancing in America generally has been in long decline but 
what has happened is a marvel that square dancing has erupted [revived] more 
recently in Fairfield as a vehicle of social interaction. The rote form seems 
to appeal to the white collar demographic within the meditating community.

 An aspect different here from larger [anonymous] urban America now is that 
Fairfield, Iowa meditators are a recognizable community in their own way.  
Meditators as a group have a communal demographic in a way that America is not 
as communal as it may have been earlier in the 20th Century whence square 
dancing was integral to rural social fabrics.   

 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ 
 
 FairfieldSquareDance http://www.fairfieldsquaredance.com/ Square dance 
activities in Fairfield iowa including classes, dances, and general information


 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well yes,  there is a lot of community dancing in Fairfield, Iowa.  Has been 
from way back in the meditating community.
 It appeals to the communal arts of music and dance in meditating Fairfield.  
 

 Was a big social thing that was hosted on campus for years until they started 
removing people's Dome meditation badges that included/ allowed meditators in 
to the group meditations and movement meetings.  With their administration 
[exclusion] of old meditators from the Domes and campus events the music and 
dancing of the larger meditating community moved off campus from those times.  
 

 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ 
 
 http://fairfolk.org/
 
 Fairfield Folk Arts & Dance Co-op | http://fairfolk.org/ Bare Necessities Bare 
Necessities Peter Barnes, Earl Gaddis, Mary Lea & Jacqueline Schwab, with 
Joseph Pimentel, Caller Advanced English ...


 
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 More Fairfield data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely escape me. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 







 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Looks like some of the voting maps of Iowa except for 2008 when a lot of 
the state maps would look blue because people were sick of Bush.  I 
visited Fairfield once in the late 1990s. It reminded me of eastern 
Washington.  In the 1980s I lived back home in eastern Washington.  
Nobody made a big deal about politics and many didn't like Reagan.  I 
played more jazz around there than I did in the late 1970s in Seattle.


Of course, I should speak, as I live in one of the bluest regions of the 
country: the San Francisco Bay Area.


On 12/20/2015 08:41 PM, emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Love the landscape.  But, I know nothing about farming or feed stores. 
:)  I could probably make it work weather-wise.  I would miss the good 
coffee houses.  It might be a little too politically one-sided for me. :)




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

You could probably afford to live in eastern Washington too.  It's 
about the same but would you really want to live there?


On 12/20/2015 05:53 PM, emily.mae50@...  
[FairfieldLife] wrote:



My goodness.  I could afford to live in Fairfield.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
,
  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
,
  wrote :

I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a
community of under 10,000.

I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot
to explain why things don't work. See also, too much stress in
collective consciousness etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's
been made public.

That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only
about 9,500 people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect
here, but is able, so to speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect
other places in Iowa. That's one weird-acting ME!

Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town!! Must be
a friendly place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each
other and spend all day hiding. My friends who have lived there
say it's weird being so far from other towns compared to the UK
where you can't walk for an hour without passing through several
villages.

More data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
,
  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals
further below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.


 Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa


Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I
often get from our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is
what experience it is that you are sympathising with me for?


If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because
I get the same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else
does. There wouldn't be much point doing it otherwise. I expect
it's the fact I'm not totally "on message" about the Marshy
Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my post there
isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t
feel the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at
least that came across.


What did you think of the /Deux ex Machina /I highlighted? Ever
come across such a pathetic excuse for why independent research
didn't replicate the results of the claim? "Sorry you couldn't
achieve social harmony in your test of our technology, even
though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention the
one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it
makes no sense that the ME should only work on

big groups does it?


This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they
are also called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but
abandoned it as it would have made the post too long and I
thought I'd c! overed the main points. Those being is that
science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and that
process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to
be consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants
accusations make a mockery of the usual standards by which social
monitoring is carried out - a fact not convincingly explained by
OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their conclusions can be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

No barn dances?

 

  From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 6:22 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?
   
    There were big hopes in the 1980s that Fairfield would grow as the 
meditating community grew, but it never really happened. Population has 
remained steady at just under 10,000. It's true you can run into the same 
people very frequently here, but some people like that -- it's part of feeling 
that you are in a community. Mind you, I am also struck by how you can go years 
and never once bump into some people you may know unless you actually make 
arrangements to meet. I'm also surprised at how many faces there are here that 
I do not recognize. 

If you walked an hour away from Fairfield you wouldn't get to anything 
interesting. The nearest city worth visiting is Iowa City, one hour's drive 
north. It is a university town (big public university) so has 
entertainment/culture/restaurants/shopping. I spend quite a lot of time there. 

You have to remember that Iowa is a rural state with a population of only about 
2.3 million, I think, and you could easily fit the whole of England into it, 
more than once, as far as area is concerned. I have lived here a long time and 
have got used to it. Indeed, it has its own kind of beauty. Often, you can be 
driving on the highway and there is no one else around. It's as if the road has 
been made just for you. There is a pleasure in that. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain why 
things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness etc. 
Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals furtherbelow. 
Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the same 
wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be much 
point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on message" 
about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my post there 
isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel the need to 
help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came across.
What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work onbig groups does it?
This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also called. 
I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it would have 
made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. Those being 
is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and that 
process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be consistent. 
Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a mockery of the 
usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a fact not 
convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a lab, 
whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, there's a 
set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you aren't fooling 
yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are proposing but 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

I have some tech friends who worked at Microsoft who got involved with a 
square dance club when they lived in the Seattle area.  For me that was 
hard to imagine but they seemed to have fun with it.


Being into video production you'll appreciate this but I recall watching 
locally produced square dance shows on 1950s TV where they would do a 
remote usually with one camera and it would be up on a pedestal or stage 
and so the shot down on the dancers would make them seem squat.  That 
made the dances seem really hilarious.  There's got to be some YouTube 
videos of these shows somewhere in all that mess.


On 12/20/2015 06:32 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely 
escape me.


Hoho,go to one! Seriously, they are a bloody riot. It will get you 
laughing uproariously for some mysterious reason. It is impossible to 
imagine this is so unless you actually try it. I am thinking it might 
be just the thing for Empty, whatever it is that ails him.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

No barn dances?







!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

You could probably afford to live in eastern Washington too.  It's about 
the same but would you really want to live there?


On 12/20/2015 05:53 PM, emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


My goodness.  I could afford to live in Fairfield.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a 
community of under 10,000.


I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to 
explain why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective 
consciousness etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.


That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 
9,500 people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but 
is able, so to speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places 
in Iowa. That's one weird-acting ME!


Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town!! Must be a 
friendly place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and 
spend all day hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird 
being so far from other towns compared to the UK where you can't walk 
for an hour without passing through several villages.


More data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals 
further below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.



 Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa


Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often 
get from our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what 
experience it is that you are sympathising with me for?



If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get 
the same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. 
There wouldn't be much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the 
fact I'm not totally "on message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, 
but as I try to point out in my post there isn't any reason to be 
enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel the need to help them 
with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came across.



What did you think of the /Deux ex Machina /I highlighted? Ever come 
across such a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't 
replicate the results of the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social 
harmony in your test of our technology, even though we told you what 
to do we must have omitted to mention the one illogical thing that 
makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no sense that the ME 
should only work on


big groups does it?


This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are 
also called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but 
abandoned it as it would have made the post too long and I thought I'd 
c! overed the main points. Those being is that science is about 
gathering data to support a hypothesis and that process has to be 
carried out in a particular way, and it has to be consistent. Apart 
from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a mockery of 
the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a fact 
not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that 
their conclusions can be supported.



Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets 
near a lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or 
a war zone, there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to 
make sure that you aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary 
according to what you are proposing but basically follow a similar 
path. Is there a signal to be heard or is it random noise? Am I sure 
the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or one that someone hasn't 
already covered? Is there any data present that contradicts my 
hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea the 
best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just 
kidding myself?



You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream 
passes over like evidence of bicameralism in early human 
self-representation, it would be easy just to look for data that 
confirms that and ignore the rest but what would be the point? I'd be 
the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for contradictory 
information.



When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the 
scientists involved are asking themselves similar control questions 
before they even start becaus! e if they have to invent /Deux ex 
Machina /as howlingly embarrassing and illogical as the one they 
passed on to the poor guy who had actually /gone out of his way to 
try and replicate their claims/, then they aren't doing science 
properly at 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 My goodness.  I could afford to live in Fairfield.
 

 You wouldn't like the fact that it doesn't have beaches and ocean. But what it 
does have is community and retro wood framed houses and a town square. It has 
four seasons (barely). Spring never really happens. One minute it's minus 10 
and the next minute it's 70 degrees F.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

 More data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that 
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea 
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just kidding 
myself?
 

 You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes 
over like evidence of bicameralism in early human self-representation, it would 
be easy just to look for data that confirms that and ignore the rest but what 
would be the point? I'd be the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for 
contradictory information.
 

 When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the scientists 
involved are asking themselves similar control questions before they even start 
because if they have to 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[feste37]

There were big hopes in the 1980s that Fairfield would grow as the meditating 
community grew, but it never really happened. Population has remained steady at 
just under 10,000. It's true you can run into the same people very frequently 
here, but some people like that -- it's part of feeling that you are in a 
community. Mind you, I am also struck by how you can go years and never once 
bump into some people you may know unless you actually make arrangements to 
meet. I'm also surprised at how many faces there are here that I do not 
recognize. 

If you walked an hour away from Fairfield you wouldn't get to anything 
interesting. The nearest city worth visiting is Iowa City, one hour's drive 
north. It is a university town (big public university) so has 
entertainment/culture/restaurants/shopping. I spend quite a lot of time there. 

You have to remember that Iowa is a rural state with a population of only about 
2.3 million, I think, and you could easily fit the whole of England into it, 
more than once, as far as area is concerned. I have lived here a long time and 
have got used to it. Indeed, it has its own kind of beauty. Often, you can be 
driving on the highway and there is no one else around. It's as if the road has 
been made just for you. There is a pleasure in that. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Love the landscape.  But, I know nothing about farming or feed stores. :)  I 
could probably make it work weather-wise.  I would miss the good coffee houses. 
 It might be a little too politically one-sided for me. :)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You could probably afford to live in eastern Washington too.  It's about the 
same but would you really want to live there?
 
 On 12/20/2015 05:53 PM, emily.mae50@... mailto:emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   My goodness.  I could afford to live in Fairfield.

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:awoelflebater@... wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 
 
 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 
 
 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town!! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 
 
 More data:  
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.htmlhttp://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
 
 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 
 
 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 
 
 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 
 
 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 
 
 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd c! overed the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 
 
 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that 
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea 
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 I went to a local square dance in the community hall once. I have no idea why 
a few of my friends and I did that. It was back when I was attending MIU. All I 
remember is I laughed hysterically and had a great time promenading, 
allemanding left and do-si-doing my various plaid-bedecked FF farmer-type 
partners. It was a real hoot.
 

 


 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 6:22 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?
 
 
   There were big hopes in the 1980s that Fairfield would grow as the 
meditating community grew, but it never really happened. Population has 
remained steady at just under 10,000. It's true you can run into the same 
people very frequently here, but some people like that -- it's part of feeling 
that you are in a community. Mind you, I am also struck by how you can go years 
and never once bump into some people you may know unless you actually make 
arrangements to meet. I'm also surprised at how many faces there are here that 
I do not recognize. 

If you walked an hour away from Fairfield you wouldn't get to anything 
interesting. The nearest city worth visiting is Iowa City, one hour's drive 
north. It is a university town (big public university) so has 
entertainment/culture/restaurants/shopping. I spend quite a lot of time there. 

You have to remember that Iowa is a rural state with a population of only about 
2.3 million, I think, and you could easily fit the whole of England into it, 
more than once, as far as area is concerned. I have lived here a long time and 
have got used to it. Indeed, it has its own kind of beauty. Often, you can be 
driving on the highway and there is no one else around. It's as if the road has 
been made just for you. There is a pleasure in that. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring i

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

 Strange but true. And of that only a portion are meditators:
 
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instantion=1espv=2ie=UTF-8#q=population%20of%20fairfield%20iowa
 
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instantion=1espv=2ie=UTF-8#q=population%20of%20fairfield%20iowa
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that 
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea 
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just kidding 
myself?
 

 You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes 
over like evidence of bicameralism in early human self-representation, it would 
be easy just to look for data that confirms that and ignore the rest but what 
would be the point? I'd be the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for 
contradictory information.
 

 When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the scientists 
involved are asking themselves similar control questions before they even start 
because if they have to invent Deux ex Machina as howlingly embarrassing and 
illogical as the one they passed on to the poor guy who had actually gone out 
of his way to try and replicate their claims, then they aren't doing science 
properly at all. (Please note there was no attempt to explain this in OJ's 
rebuttal) 
 

 You 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

 More data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that 
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea 
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just kidding 
myself?
 

 You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes 
over like evidence of bicameralism in early human self-representation, it would 
be easy just to look for data that confirms that and ignore the rest but what 
would be the point? I'd be the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for 
contradictory information.
 

 When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the scientists 
involved are asking themselves similar control questions before they even start 
because if they have to invent Deux ex Machina as howlingly embarrassing and 
illogical as the one they passed on to the poor guy who had actually gone out 
of his way to try and replicate their claims, then they aren't doing science 
properly at all. (Please note there was no attempt to explain this in OJ's 
rebuttal) 
 

 You may say that it's a small point but it's pivotal to the way they do 
things. The goalposts constantly shift and failures - the yagya programme for 
instance - are 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[feste37]

Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely escape me. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 


 From: feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 6:22 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?
 
 
   There were big hopes in the 1980s that Fairfield would grow as the 
meditating community grew, but it never really happened. Population has 
remained steady at just under 10,000. It's true you can run into the same 
people very frequently here, but some people like that -- it's part of feeling 
that you are in a community. Mind you, I am also struck by how you can go years 
and never once bump into some people you may know unless you actually make 
arrangements to meet. I'm also surprised at how many faces there are here that 
I do not recognize. 

If you walked an hour away from Fairfield you wouldn't get to anything 
interesting. The nearest city worth visiting is Iowa City, one hour's drive 
north. It is a university town (big public university) so has 
entertainment/culture/restaurants/shopping. I spend quite a lot of time there. 

You have to remember that Iowa is a rural state with a population of only about 
2.3 million, I think, and you could easily fit the whole of England into it, 
more than once, as far as area is concerned. I have lived here a long time and 
have got used to it. Indeed, it has its own kind of beauty. Often, you can be 
driving on the highway and there is no one else around. It's as if the road has 
been made just for you. There is a pleasure in that. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

My goodness.  I could afford to live in Fairfield.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

 More data: http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html 
http://www.city-data.com/city/Fairfield-Iowa.html
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that 
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea 
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just kidding 
myself?
 

 You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes 
over like evidence of bicameralism in early human self-representation, it would 
be easy just to look for data that confirms that and ignore the rest but what 
would be the point? I'd be the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for 
contradictory information.
 

 When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the scientists 
involved are asking themselves similar control questions before they even start 
because if they have to invent Deux ex Machina as howlingly embarrassing and 
illogical as the one they passed on to the poor guy who had actually gone out 
of his way to try and replicate their claims, then they aren't doing science 
properly at all. (Please note there was no attempt to explain this in OJ's 
rebuttal) 
 

 You may say that it's a small point but it's 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Square dancing recently became popular, for reasons that entirely escape me. 
 

 Hoho,go to one! Seriously, they are a bloody riot. It will get you laughing 
uproariously for some mysterious reason. It is impossible to imagine this is so 
unless you actually try it. I am thinking it might be just the thing for Empty, 
whatever it is that ails him.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No barn dances?
 

 


 
 

 











 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[feste37]

I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only 
about 9,500 people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is 
able, so to speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. 
That's one weird-acting ME!  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that 
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea 
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just kidding 
myself?
 

 You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes 
over like evidence of bicameralism in early human self-representation, it would 
be easy just to look for data that confirms that and ignore the rest but what 
would be the point? I'd be the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for 
contradictory information.
 

 When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the scientists 
involved are asking themselves similar control questions before they even start 
because if they have to invent Deux ex Machina as howlingly embarrassing and 
illogical as the one they passed on to the poor guy who had actually gone out 
of his way to try and replicate their claims, then they aren't doing science 
properly at all. (Please note there was no attempt to explain this in OJ's 
rebuttal) 
 

 You may say that it's a small point but it's pivotal to the way they do 
things. The goalposts constantly shift and failures - the yagya programme for 
instance - are ignored. You probably think I'm just getting at you lot for no 
reason but I'm not, I'm trying to show that science is a process trying to work 
out what is from what isn't and I rather suspect that people round here cheer 
it on when it supports what they want to believe and dismiss it as irrelevant, 
when it doesn't. 
 

 But it gladdens my heart that everyone nowadays sees it as the standard they 
have to reach for intellectual acceptance, every New Age hopeful has to get a 
"quantum" in there somewhere. Trouble is you have to accept the conclusions 
when they don't support your ideas and move on to something else but there's so 
much money in keeping people believing in the dream that the TMO can't afford 
to do any serious research into the ME or yagya's because they probably know by 
now that it isn't working. 
 

 But 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have never before seen the claim that the ME will not work in a community of 
under 10,000. 
 

 I imagine it's one of those things that got invented on the spot to explain 
why things don't work. See also, too much stress in collective consciousness 
etc. Bit embarrassing for them that it's been made public.
 

 That's actually pretty odd, since Fairfield itself numbers only about 9,500 
people, which would mean that the ME has zero effect here, but is able, so to 
speak, to jump over Fairfield and affect other places in Iowa. That's one 
weird-acting ME!  
 

 Is FF really that small? You must know everyone in town! Must be a friendly 
place too, unless you're sick of the sight of each other and spend all day 
hiding. My friends who have lived there say it's weird being so far from other 
towns compared to the UK where you can't walk for an hour without passing 
through several villages.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that 
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea 
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just kidding 
myself?
 

 You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes 
over like evidence of bicameralism in early human self-representation, it would 
be easy just to look for data that confirms that and ignore the rest but what 
would be the point? I'd be the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for 
contradictory information.
 

 When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the scientists 
involved are asking themselves similar control questions before they even start 
because if they have to invent Deux ex Machina as howlingly embarrassing and 
illogical as the one they passed on to the poor guy who had actually gone out 
of his way to try and replicate their claims, then they aren't doing science 
properly at all. (Please note there was no attempt to explain this in OJ's 
rebuttal) 
 

 You may say that it's a small point but it's pivotal to the way they do 
things. The goalposts constantly shift and failures - the yagya programme for 
instance - are ignored. You probably think I'm just getting at you lot for no 
reason but I'm not, I'm trying to show that science is a process trying to work 
out what is from what isn't and I rather suspect that 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further 
below. Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience.
 

  Best Regards from Fairfield, Iowa   

 

 Thanks, I always enjoy best regards as opposed to the abuse I often get from 
our fellow forum members but what puzzles me is what experience it is that you 
are sympathising with me for?
 

 If it's my experience in meditation then there's no need because I get the 
same wild, breaking-on-through trips that everyone else does. There wouldn't be 
much point doing it otherwise. I expect it's the fact I'm not totally "on 
message" about the Marshy Effect as you are, but as I try to point out in my 
post there isn't any reason to be enthusiastic about it at all so I don;t feel 
the need to help them with their advertorial. I'd hope at least that came 
across.
 

 What did you think of the Deux ex Machina I highlighted? Ever come across such 
a pathetic excuse for why independent research didn't replicate the results of 
the claim? "Sorry you couldn't achieve social harmony in your test of our 
technology, even though we told you what to do we must have omitted to mention 
the one illogical thing that makes your experiment pointless" And it makes no 
sense that the ME should only work on
 big groups does it?
 

 This is what I mean by scientific filters, or controls as they are also 
called. I did start writing an extra paragraph there but abandoned it as it 
would have made the post too long and I thought I'd covered the main points. 
Those being is that science is about gathering data to support a hypothesis and 
that process has to be carried out in a particular way, and it has to be 
consistent. Apart from the fact a lot of the complainants accusations make a 
mockery of the usual standards by which social monitoring is carried out - a 
fact not convincingly explained by OJ - means it's a lot less likely that their 
conclusions can be supported.
 

 Most science is actually done in someone's head long before it gets near a 
lab, whether that lab is a particle accelerator a test tube or a war zone, 
there's a set of questions you have to ask yourself to make sure that you 
aren't fooling yourself. These questions will vary according to what you are 
proposing but basically follow a similar path. Is there a signal to be heard or 
is it random noise? Am I sure the data doesn't have a simpler explanation or 
one that someone hasn't already covered? Is there any data present that 
contradicts my hypothesis? Is it possible for people to replicate? Is my idea 
the best - simplest - way of explaining any data gathered? Am I just kidding 
myself?
 

 You get the general idea. I have many interests that the mainstream passes 
over like evidence of bicameralism in early human self-representation, it would 
be easy just to look for data that confirms that and ignore the rest but what 
would be the point? I'd be the only one I'm fooling so I keep my eyes open for 
contradictory information.
 

 When I read Marshy Effect research it makes me wonder whether the scientists 
involved are asking themselves similar control questions before they even start 
because if they have to invent Deux ex Machina as howlingly embarrassing and 
illogical as the one they passed on to the poor guy who had actually gone out 
of his way to try and replicate their claims, then they aren't doing science 
properly at all. (Please note there was no attempt to explain this in OJ's 
rebuttal) 
 

 You may say that it's a small point but it's pivotal to the way they do 
things. The goalposts constantly shift and failures - the yagya programme for 
instance - are ignored. You probably think I'm just getting at you lot for no 
reason but I'm not, I'm trying to show that science is a process trying to work 
out what is from what isn't and I rather suspect that people round here cheer 
it on when it supports what they want to believe and dismiss it as irrelevant, 
when it doesn't. 
 

 But it gladdens my heart that everyone nowadays sees it as the standard they 
have to reach for intellectual acceptance, every New Age hopeful has to get a 
"quantum" in there somewhere. Trouble is you have to accept the conclusions 
when they don't support your ideas and move on to something else but there's so 
much money in keeping people believing in the dream that the TMO can't afford 
to do any serious research into the ME or yagya's because they probably know by 
now that it isn't working. 
 

 But why would intelligent and well decorated scientists not apply any of the 
usual rigour to their work? It's that there are stronger forces at work in 
people than merely needing to check theories, especially to people who have 
been involved in strong cults. Larry Domash raised the point with Marshy that 
we shouldn't talk about the unified field as we don't know anything about it 
yet - this was before the SU5 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Peace on Earth?

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Reading through that all I'm down fine enough with the rebuttals further below. 
Sorry Sal you're so disgruntled with your experience. Best Regards from 
Fairfield, Iowa   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Scientists discover earth is protected by star-trek-like force field

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Appropriate for Thanksgiving!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 At first, I thought it was a joke about the atmosphere, but it turns out to be 
true.
 

 
http://www.frontlinedesk.com/201411937-scientists-discover-earth-protected-star-trek-like-invisible-shield/
 
http://www.frontlinedesk.com/201411937-scientists-discover-earth-protected-star-trek-like-invisible-shield/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Scientists discover earth is protected by star-trek-like force field

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, I ALWAYS wear my tin-foil helmet, too, just to make sure! Happy 
Thanksgiving, Steve!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Appropriate for Thanksgiving!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 At first, I thought it was a joke about the atmosphere, but it turns out to be 
true.
 

 
http://www.frontlinedesk.com/201411937-scientists-discover-earth-protected-star-trek-like-invisible-shield/
 
http://www.frontlinedesk.com/201411937-scientists-discover-earth-protected-star-trek-like-invisible-shield/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Humankind

[Share Long]

But Buck, the soil is so polluted now that probably all it's good for is to 
grow a gasoline additive!


On Thursday, May 1, 2014 8:57 PM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com 
dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
And then the accelerating problem; the
aggregating farm monopolies bull-dozing farmsteads that once housed
livestock. .. Bull-dozing of the mixed farms, farms consolidated and dozed
down,  just to get a few more acres to grow more gasohol for cars.


Yesterday I drove by a farm north of
Fairfield, Iowa a ways out on the Pleasant Plain road where they were
taking down  a farm's field fence, out with dozers rolling up rods of
good field fence just to be able to plow up to the road edge and
plant more gasohol.  Livestock gone.

We are witnessing the end of an epoch.
With the demise and succession of the WWII generation farmer of 360
acre farms and the consolidation to 720acres and 1080acre farms to
3, 4, 7,16,000 acre holdings comes the end of very many humans being
much close at all to any animal husbandry with large mammals anymore.
You can see this now compared even  to five and ten years ago at
the County level and State Fairs.   There are not nearly any animal
projects now with the end of mixed agricultural family farming and the collapse 
of those farmsteads out on the landscape. Farm operation is all going to growing
gasohol and corporate animal feeding.  It is really quite stunning to
see the collapse of diversified agriculture in such a short period of
time.


Care-taking large animals has always
been an important practical and spiritual schooling in humanity, a laboratory 
cultivating in skill sets towards being a good human being.  It just
does not work well with animals unless you are a good person.  Taking
care of animals is always an exercise in humanity.  Any effective
leader of humanity in history it seems characteristically was once a
care-taker of large animals, a  sheep or goat herder child, herdsmen
with cows, bullocks,  horses, elephants. Just using a buggy horse to
drive the long district court circuit like an Abraham Lincoln.  With
equines, like a Grant, Churchill, Marshall, Pershing, Patton, Truman,
Eisenhower, Reagan each.


...practiced at being good at  being a
good human being in skill sets taking care of animals in nature.
That has mostly come to and end.
Inside of 50 years this is a huge change in the relationship of
humans with large nature.  Now great leadership is only incubated and
left to come out of what?  Internet and social media forums,  social -science, 
law and
business schools, and some on-the-job or interning experience.  May
the Unified Field Transcendent help us.


I hope always that city people will
support small farming and people who raise livestock on their own
independent of the corporations.  The opening of America to small farms and the 
opportunity
for ownership was always what made America what it was.  In the last
few years with this aggregation taking place in large corporate
agriculture and land-holding consolidation that has ended.  May the Unified 
Field
Transcendent God save the country,
-Buck


Authfriend writes:
Those sure are some gorgeous Jerseys they've got. They make the huge hulking 
Holsteins that supply supermarket milk look like ungainly monsters. (Not the 
Holsteins' fault; they were bred that way to give as much milk as possible. But 
it isn't anywhere as good as milk from Jerseys.)





A beautiful key to creating Heaven on Earth for all mankind, the proper 
treatment of the cows



http://www.universalfields.org/index.html

Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai Maharishi-ji!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Humankind

[dhamiltony2k5]

And then the accelerating problem; the aggregating farm monopolies bull-dozing 
farmsteads that once housed livestock. .. Bull-dozing of the mixed farms, farms 
consolidated and dozed down, just to get a few more acres to grow more gasohol 
for cars.
 
 Yesterday I drove by a farm north of Fairfield, Iowa a ways out on the 
Pleasant Plain road where they were taking down a farm's field fence, out with 
dozers rolling up rods of good field fence just to be able to plow up to the 
road edge and plant more gasohol. Livestock gone.
 

 We are witnessing the end of an epoch. With the demise and succession of the 
WWII generation farmer of 360 acre farms and the consolidation to 720acres and 
1080acre farms to 3, 4, 7,16,000 acre holdings comes the end of very many 
humans being much close at all to any animal husbandry with large mammals 
anymore. You can see this now compared even to five and ten years ago at the 
County level and State Fairs. There are not nearly any animal projects now with 
the end of mixed agricultural family farming and the collapse of those 
farmsteads out on the landscape. Farm operation is all going to growing gasohol 
and corporate animal feeding. It is really quite stunning to see the collapse 
of diversified agriculture in such a short period of time.
 
 Care-taking large animals has always been an important practical and spiritual 
schooling in humanity, a laboratory cultivating in skill sets towards being a 
good human being. It just does not work well with animals unless you are a good 
person. Taking care of animals is always an exercise in humanity. Any effective 
leader of humanity in history it seems characteristically was once a care-taker 
of large animals, a sheep or goat herder child, herdsmen with cows, bullocks, 
horses, elephants. Just using a buggy horse to drive the long district court 
circuit like an Abraham Lincoln. With equines, like a Grant, Churchill, 
Marshall, Pershing, Patton, Truman, Eisenhower, Reagan each.
 
 ...practiced at being good at being a good human being in skill sets taking 
care of animals in nature.
 That has mostly come to and end. Inside of 50 years this is a huge change in 
the relationship of humans with large nature. Now great leadership is only 
incubated and left to come out of what? Internet and social media forums, 
social -science, law and business schools, and some on-the-job or interning 
experience. May the Unified Field Transcendent help us.
 
 I hope always that city people will support small farming and people who raise 
livestock on their own independent of the corporations. The opening of America 
to small farms and the opportunity for ownership was always what made America 
what it was. In the last few years with this aggregation taking place in large 
corporate agriculture and land-holding consolidation that has ended. May the 
Unified Field Transcendent God save the country,
 -Buck
 

 

 Authfriend writes:
 Those sure are some gorgeous Jerseys they've got. They make the huge hulking 
Holsteins that supply supermarket milk look like ungainly monsters. (Not the 
Holsteins' fault; they were bred that way to give as much milk as possible. But 
it isn't anywhere as good as milk from Jerseys.)
 

 

 

 

 A beautiful key to creating Heaven on Earth for all mankind, the proper 
treatment of the cows 

 http://www.universalfields.org/index.html 
http://www.universalfields.org/index.html
 

 Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai Maharishi-ji!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind

[dhamiltony2k5]

Yesterday I drove by a farm north of Fairfield, Iowa a ways out on the Pleasant 
Plain road where they were taking down a farm's field fence, out with dozers 
rolling up rods of good field fence just to be able to plow up to the road edge 
and plant more gasohol. Livestock gone.
 

 We are witnessing the end of an epoch. With the demise and succession of the 
WWII generation farmer of 360 acre farms and the consolidation to 720acres and 
1080acre farms to 3, 4, 7,16,000 acre holdings comes the end of very many 
humans being much close at all to any animal husbandry with large mammals 
anymore. You can see this now compared even to five and ten years ago at the 
County level and State Fairs. There are not nearly any animal projects now with 
the end of mixed agricultural family farming and the collapse of those 
farmsteads out on the landscape. Farm operation is all going to growing gasohol 
and corporate animal feeding. It is really quite stunning to see the collapse 
of diversified agriculture in such a short period of time.
 
 Care-taking large animals has always been an important practical and spiritual 
schooling in humanity, a laboratory cultivating in skill sets towards being a 
good human being. It just does not work well with animals unless you are a good 
person. Taking care of animals is always an exercise in humanity. Any effective 
leader of humanity in history it seems characteristically was once a care-taker 
of large animals, a sheep or goat herder child, herdsmen with cows, bullocks, 
horses, elephants. Just using a buggy horse to drive the long district court 
circuit like an Abraham Lincoln. With equines, like a Grant, Churchill, 
Marshall, Pershing, Patton, Truman, Eisenhower, Reagan each.
 
 ...practiced at being good at being a good human being in skill sets taking 
care of animals in nature.
 That has mostly come to and end. Inside of 50 years this is a huge change in 
the relationship of humans with large nature. Now great leadership is only 
incubated and left to come out of what? Internet and social media forums, 
social -science, law and business schools, and some on-the-job or interning 
experience. May the Unified Field Transcendent help us.
 
 I hope always that city people will support small farming and people who raise 
livestock on their own independent of the corporations. The opening of America 
to small farms and the opportunity for ownership was always what made America 
what it was. In the last few years with this aggregation taking place in large 
corporate agriculture and land-holding consolidation that has ended. May the 
Unified Field Transcendent God save the country,
 -Buck in the Dome
 

 

 Authfriend writes:
 Those sure are some gorgeous Jerseys they've got. They make the huge hulking 
Holsteins that supply supermarket milk look like ungainly monsters. (Not the 
Holsteins' fault; they were bred that way to give as much milk as possible. But 
it isn't anywhere as good as milk from Jerseys.)
 

 

 

 

 A beautiful key to creating Heaven on Earth for all mankind, the proper 
treatment of the cows 

 http://www.universalfields.org/index.html 
http://www.universalfields.org/index.html
 

 Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai Maharishi-ji!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind

[Mike Dixon]

Well... at least they aren't running the streets and being hit by cars then 
neglected. However, the TMO did neglect the Jersey steers they bought to graze 
the land at the Capitol in Navasota. One steer gouged the eye of another while 
feeding and no veterinarian was ever called to treat the wound. The three 
steers wondered off the property due to poor(cheap) fencing, damaged a 
neighbor's property and was claimed by the neighbor in compensation, I'm sure 
to end up in their freezer. I had begged the managers *not* to buy the calves 
or any other animals to graze the land because I feared something of this 
nature would happen, I knew the fencing would be inadequate to keep them on the 
property but I feared them getting on to a road and causing a major accident, 
opening the TMO to a wrongful death lawsuit. But nooo, they would be so 
cute and useful and would only cost a few dollars and if something bad happens 
to them... well, it's just their karma and
 *we* shouldn't interfere.
On Monday, April 28, 2014 6:00 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com 
dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  
Yesterday I drove by a farm north of Fairfield, Iowa a ways out on the Pleasant 
Plain road where they were
taking down  a farm's field fence, out with dozers rolling up rods of
good field fence just to be able to plow up to the road edge and
plant more gasohol.  Livestock gone.

We are witnessing the end of an epoch.
With the demise and succession of the WWII generation farmer of 360
acre farms and the consolidation to 720acres and 1080acre farms to
3, 4, 7,16,000 acre holdings comes the end of very many humans being
much close at all to any animal husbandry with large mammals anymore.
You can see this now compared even  to five and ten years ago at
the County level and State Fairs.   There are not nearly any animal
projects now with the end of mixed agricultural family farming and the collapse 
of those farmsteads out on the landscape. Farm operation is all going to growing
gasohol and corporate animal feeding.  It is really quite stunning to
see the collapse of diversified agriculture in such a short period of
time.


Care-taking large animals has always
been an important practical and spiritual schooling in humanity, a laboratory 
cultivating in skill sets towards being a good human being.  It just
does not work well with animals unless you are a good person.  Taking
care of animals is always an exercise in humanity.  Any effective
leader of humanity in history it seems characteristically was once a
care-taker of large animals, a  sheep or goat herder child, herdsmen
with cows, bullocks,  horses, elephants. Just using a buggy horse to
drive the long district court circuit like an Abraham Lincoln.  With
equines, like a Grant, Churchill, Marshall, Pershing, Patton, Truman,
Eisenhower, Reagan each.


...practiced at being good at  being a
good human being in skill sets taking care of animals in nature.
That has mostly come to and end.
Inside of 50 years this is a huge change in the relationship of
humans with large nature.  Now great leadership is only incubated and
left to come out of what?  Internet and social media forums,  social -science, 
law and
business schools, and some on-the-job or interning experience.  May
the Unified Field Transcendent help us.


I hope always that city people will
support small farming and people who raise livestock on their own
independent of the corporations.  The opening of America to small farms and the 
opportunity
for ownership was always what made America what it was.  In the last
few years with this aggregation taking place in large corporate
agriculture and land-holding consolidation that has ended.  May the Unified 
Field
Transcendent God save the country,
-Buck in the Dome


Authfriend writes:
Those sure are some gorgeous Jerseys they've got. They make the huge hulking 
Holsteins that supply supermarket milk look like ungainly monsters. (Not the 
Holsteins' fault; they were bred that way to give as much milk as possible. But 
it isn't anywhere as good as milk from Jerseys.)





A beautiful key to creating Heaven on Earth for all mankind, the proper 
treatment of the cows



http://www.universalfields.org/index.html

Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai Maharishi-ji!
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind

[Michael Jackson]

was that Navasota Texas?

On Mon, 4/28/14, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Monday, April 28, 2014, 1:39 PM
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   Well... at least they
 aren't running the streets and being hit by cars then
 neglected. However, the TMO did neglect the
 Jersey steers they bought to graze the land at the Capitol
 in Navasota. One steer
 gouged the eye of another while feeding and no veterinarian
 was ever called to treat the wound. The three steers
 wondered off the property due to poor(cheap) fencing,
 damaged a neighbor's property and was claimed by the
 neighbor in compensation,
 I'm sure to end up in their freezer. I had begged
 the managers *not* to buy the calves or any other animals to
 graze the land because I feared something of this nature
  would happen, I knew the fencing would be inadequate
 to keep them on the property but I feared them getting on to
 a road and causing a major accident, opening the TMO to a wrongful death
 lawsuit. But nooo, they would be
 so cute and useful and would only cost a few dollars and if
 something bad happens to them... well, it's just their
 karma and *we* shouldn't interfere. On Monday, April 28,
 2014 6:00 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
 dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
   
  
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   Yesterday I drove
 by a farm north of
 Fairfield, Iowa a ways
 out on the Pleasant Plain road where they were
 taking down  a farm's field fence, out with dozers rolling up rods
 of
 good field fence just to be able to plow up to the road edge
 and
 plant more gasohol.  Livestock gone.
 We are witnessing the end of an
 epoch.
 With the demise and succession of the WWII generation farmer
 of 360
 acre farms and the consolidation to 720acres and 1080acre
 farms to
 3, 4, 7,16,000 acre holdings comes the end of very many
 humans being
 much close at all to any animal husbandry with large mammals
 anymore.
 You can see this now compared even  to five and ten years
 ago at
 the County level and State Fairs.   There are not nearly any
 animal
 projects now with the end of mixed agricultural family
 farming and the collapse of those farmsteads out on the
 landscape. Farm operation is all going to growing
 gasohol and corporate animal feeding.  It is really quite
 stunning to
 see the collapse of diversified agriculture in such a short
 period of
 time.
 Care-taking
 large animals has always
 been an important practical and spiritual schooling in
 humanity, a laboratory cultivating in skill sets towards
 being a good human being.  It just
 does not work well with animals unless you are a good
 person.  Taking
 care of animals is always an exercise in humanity.  Any
 effective
 leader of humanity in history it seems characteristically
 was once a
 care-taker of large animals, a  sheep or goat herder child,
 herdsmen
 with cows, bullocks,  horses, elephants. Just using a buggy
 horse to
 drive the long district court circuit like an Abraham
 Lincoln.  With
 equines, like a Grant, Churchill, Marshall, Pershing,
 Patton, Truman,
 Eisenhower, Reagan each.
 ...practiced
 at being good at  being a
 good human being in skill sets taking care of animals in
 nature.That has mostly come to and end.
 Inside of 50 years this is a huge change in the relationship
 of
 humans with large nature.  Now great leadership is only
 incubated and
 left to come out of what?  Internet and social media forums,
  social -science, law and
 business schools, and some on-the-job or interning
 experience.  May
 the Unified Field Transcendent help us.
 I
 hope always that city people will
 support small farming and people who raise livestock on
 their own
 independent of the corporations.  The opening of America to
 small farms and the opportunity
 for ownership was always what made America what it was.  In
 the last
 few years with this aggregation taking place in large
 corporate
 agriculture and land-holding consolidation that has ended. 
 May the Unified Field
 Transcendent God save the country,-Buck in the
 Dome
 
 Authfriend
 writes:Those sure are some gorgeous
 Jerseys they've got. They make the huge hulking
 Holsteins that supply supermarket milk look like ungainly
 monsters. (Not the Holsteins' fault; they were bred that
 way to give as much milk as possible. But it isn't
 anywhere as good as milk from Jerseys.)
 
 
 
 A beautiful key
 to creating Heaven on Earth for all mankind, the proper
 treatment of the cows
 
 http://www.universalfields.org/index.html
 Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai Maharishi-ji!
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   

 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind

[Mike Dixon]

You betcha! 
On Monday, April 28, 2014 6:58 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  
was that Navasota Texas?

On Mon, 4/28/14, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 28, 2014, 1:39 PM


 









Well... at least they
aren't running the streets and being hit by cars then
neglected. However, the TMO did neglect the
Jersey steers they bought to graze the land at the Capitol
in Navasota. One steer
gouged the eye of another while feeding and no veterinarian
was ever called to treat the wound. The three steers
wondered off the property due to poor(cheap) fencing,
damaged a neighbor's property and was claimed by the
neighbor in compensation,
I'm sure to end up in their freezer. I had begged
the managers *not* to buy the calves or any other animals to
graze the land because I feared something of this nature
would happen, I knew the fencing would be inadequate
to keep them on the property but I feared them getting on to
a road and causing a major accident, opening the TMO to a wrongful death
lawsuit. But nooo, they would be
so cute and useful and would only cost a few dollars and if
something bad happens to them... well, it's just their
karma and *we* shouldn't interfere. On Monday, April 28,
2014 6:00 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:



 









Yesterday I drove
by a farm north of
Fairfield, Iowa a ways
out on the Pleasant Plain road where they were
taking down  a farm's field fence, out with dozers rolling up rods
of
good field fence just to be able to plow up to the road edge
and
plant more gasohol.  Livestock gone.
We are witnessing the end of an
epoch.
With the demise and succession of the WWII generation farmer
of 360
acre farms and the consolidation to 720acres and 1080acre
farms to
3, 4, 7,16,000 acre holdings comes the end of very many
humans being
much close at all to any animal husbandry with large mammals
anymore.
You can see this now compared even  to five and ten years
ago at
the County level and State Fairs.   There are not nearly any
animal
projects now with the end of mixed agricultural family
farming and the collapse of those farmsteads out on the
landscape. Farm operation is all going to growing
gasohol and corporate animal feeding.  It is really quite
stunning to
see the collapse of diversified agriculture in such a short
period of
time.
Care-taking
large animals has always
been an important practical and spiritual schooling in
humanity, a laboratory cultivating in skill sets towards
being a good human being.  It just
does not work well with animals unless you are a good
person.  Taking
care of animals is always an exercise in humanity.  Any
effective
leader of humanity in history it seems characteristically
was once a
care-taker of large animals, a  sheep or goat herder child,
herdsmen
with cows, bullocks,  horses, elephants. Just using a buggy
horse to
drive the long district court circuit like an Abraham
Lincoln.  With
equines, like a Grant, Churchill, Marshall, Pershing,
Patton, Truman,
Eisenhower, Reagan each.
...practiced
at being good at  being a
good human being in skill sets taking care of animals in
nature.That has mostly come to and end.
Inside of 50 years this is a huge change in the relationship
of
humans with large nature.  Now great leadership is only
incubated and
left to come out of what?  Internet and social media forums,
social -science, law and
business schools, and some on-the-job or interning
experience.  May
the Unified Field Transcendent help us.
I
hope always that city people will
support small farming and people who raise livestock on
their own
independent of the corporations.  The opening of America to
small farms and the opportunity
for ownership was always what made America what it was.  In
the last
few years with this aggregation taking place in large
corporate
agriculture and land-holding consolidation that has ended. 
May the Unified Field
Transcendent God save the country,-Buck in the
Dome

Authfriend
writes:Those sure are some gorgeous
Jerseys they've got. They make the huge hulking
Holsteins that supply supermarket milk look like ungainly
monsters. (Not the Holsteins' fault; they were bred that
way to give as much milk as possible. But it isn't
anywhere as good as milk from Jerseys.)



A beautiful key
to creating Heaven on Earth for all mankind, the proper
treatment of the cows

http://www.universalfields.org/index.html
Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai Maharishi-ji!






















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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind

[Michael Jackson]

Wonder if there is still a Capitol there?

On Mon, 4/28/14, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Monday, April 28, 2014, 2:05 PM
 
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   You betcha!  On Monday, April 28,
 2014 6:58 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   was that Navasota Texas?
 
 
 
 On Mon, 4/28/14, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
 
 
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all
 Mankind
 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
  Date: Monday, April 28, 2014, 1:39 PM
 
  
 
  
 
   
 
  
 
  
 
  
 

 
  
 
  
 
  
 

 

 
Well... at least they
 
  aren't running the streets and being hit by cars
 then
 
  neglected. However, the TMO did neglect the
 
  Jersey steers they bought to graze the land at the
 Capitol
 
  in Navasota. One steer
 
  gouged the eye of another while feeding and no
 veterinarian
 
  was ever called to treat the wound. The three steers
 
  wondered off the property due to poor(cheap) fencing,
 
  damaged a neighbor's property and was claimed by the
 
  neighbor in compensation,
 
  I'm sure to end up in their freezer. I had
 begged
 
  the managers *not* to buy the calves or any other animals
 to
 
  graze the land because I feared something of this nature
 
   would happen, I knew the fencing would be inadequate
 
  to keep them on the property but I feared them getting on
 to
 
  a road and causing a major accident, opening the TMO to a
 wrongful death
 
  lawsuit. But nooo, they would be
 
  so cute and useful and would only cost a few dollars and
 if
 
  something bad happens to them... well, it's just
 their
 
  karma and *we* shouldn't interfere. On Monday,
 April 28,
 
  2014 6:00 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
 
  dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
 

 
   
 
   
 
  
 
  
 
  
 

 
  
 
  
 
  
 

 

 
Yesterday I drove
 
  by a farm north of
 
  Fairfield, Iowa a ways
 
  out on the Pleasant Plain road where they were
 
  taking down  a farm's field fence, out with dozers
 rolling up rods
 
  of
 
  good field fence just to be able to plow up to the road
 edge
 
  and
 
  plant more gasohol.  Livestock gone.
 
  We are witnessing the end of an
 
  epoch.
 
  With the demise and succession of the WWII generation
 farmer
 
  of 360
 
  acre farms and the consolidation to 720acres and
 1080acre
 
  farms to
 
  3, 4, 7,16,000 acre holdings comes the end of very many
 
  humans being
 
  much close at all to any animal husbandry with large
 mammals
 
  anymore.
 
  You can see this now compared even  to five and ten
 years
 
  ago at
 
  the County level and State Fairs.   There are not nearly
 any
 
  animal
 
  projects now with the end of mixed agricultural family
 
  farming and the collapse of those farmsteads out on the
 
  landscape. Farm operation is all going to growing
 
  gasohol and corporate animal feeding.  It is really
 quite
 
  stunning to
 
  see the collapse of diversified agriculture in such a
 short
 
  period of
 
  time.
 
  Care-taking
 
  large animals has always
 
  been an important practical and spiritual schooling in
 
  humanity, a laboratory cultivating in skill sets towards
 
  being a good human being.  It just
 
  does not work well with animals unless you are a good
 
  person.  Taking
 
  care of animals is always an exercise in humanity.  Any
 
  effective
 
  leader of humanity in history it seems
 characteristically
 
  was once a
 
  care-taker of large animals, a  sheep or goat herder
 child,
 
  herdsmen
 
  with cows, bullocks,  horses, elephants. Just using a
 buggy
 
  horse to
 
  drive the long district court circuit like an Abraham
 
  Lincoln.  With
 
  equines, like a Grant, Churchill, Marshall, Pershing,
 
  Patton, Truman,
 
  Eisenhower, Reagan each.
 
  ...practiced
 
  at being good at  being a
 
  good human being in skill sets taking care of animals in
 
  nature.That has mostly come to and end.
 
  Inside of 50 years this is a huge change in the
 relationship
 
  of
 
  humans with large nature.  Now great leadership is only
 
  incubated and
 
  left to come out of what?  Internet and social media
 forums,
 
   social -science, law and
 
  business schools, and some on-the-job or interning
 
  experience.  May
 
  the Unified Field Transcendent help us.
 
  I
 
  hope always that city people will
 
  support small farming and people who raise livestock on
 
  their own
 
  independent of the corporations.  The opening of America
 to
 
  small farms and the opportunity
 
  for ownership was always what made America what it was. 
 In
 
  the last
 
  few years with this aggregation taking place

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind

[TurquoiseBee]

From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
 


  
Wonder if there is still a Capitol there?

There were so many Capitols. Who  would notice one more, or less?  :-)

Never just a center or a facility. It always had to be a Capitol, often 
of an imaginary country that never existed. Can you say megalomania? I think 
you can. :-)

I'm sorry...after a weekend of fun and frolic to celebrate King's Day here in 
the Netherlands, I find myself mightily amused at the pompous-assed pretension 
of Maharishi and the TM movement. At least here in the Netherlands we actually 
*have* a king, and a real one, not one who had to pay for his crown by trading 
in a million dollars and his mind.  I wonder how long it'll be before we can 
pick one of them up in a pawn shop for five bucks.  :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 5:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
 
 
   Wonder if there is still a Capitol there?







There were so many Capitols. Who  would notice one more, or less?  :-)

Never just a center or a facility. It always had to be a Capitol, often 
of an imaginary country that never existed. Can you say megalomania? I think 
you can. :-)

I'm sorry...after a weekend of fun and frolic to celebrate King's Day here in 
the Netherlands, I find myself mightily amused at the pompous-assed pretension 
of Maharishi and the TM movement. At least here in the Netherlands we actually 
*have* a king, and a real one, not one who had to pay for his crown by trading 
in a million dollars and his mind.  I wonder how long it'll be before we can 
pick one of them up in a pawn shop for five bucks.  :-)
 

 Ha, ha. Real Kings don't exist, Bawwy. They are the product of hundreds of 
years of inbreeding and oppression of the masses. Your Dutch King is hardly 
worthy of three days of fun and frolic - what does this entail? Perhaps 
prostrating oneself in all seriousness before his portrait while slugging down 
a few pints of Dutch swill.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind

[awoelflebater]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 5:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
 
 
   Wonder if there is still a Capitol there?







There were so many Capitols. Who  would notice one more, or less?  :-)

Never just a center or a facility. It always had to be a Capitol, often 
of an imaginary country that never existed. Can you say megalomania? I think 
you can. :-)

I'm sorry...after a weekend of fun and frolic to celebrate King's Day here in 
the Netherlands, I find myself mightily amused at the pompous-assed pretension 
of Maharishi and the TM movement. At least here in the Netherlands we actually 
*have* a king, and a real one, not one who had to pay for his crown by trading 
in a million dollars and his mind.  I wonder how long it'll be before we can 
pick one of them up in a pawn shop for five bucks.  :-)
 

 Ha, ha. Real Kings don't exist, Bawwy. They are the product of hundreds of 
years of inbreeding and oppression of the masses. Your Dutch King is hardly 
worthy of three days of fun and frolic - what does this entail? Perhaps 
prostrating oneself in all seriousness before his portrait while slugging down 
a few pints of Dutch swill.

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind

[Mike Dixon]

Nope! The Capitol of the Age of Enlightenment in Navasota Texas burned to the 
ground about three years ago. Just a pile of ashes were left on slabs. However, 
the new Peace Palaces, next to it, were untouched. They were never finished and 
I think the property has been sold. If anyone is suspicious  of another fire 
bringing down a Capitol, it was due to a forest fire that consumed thousands of 
acres. Nature supports! No doubt they got more from insurance than had they 
demolished it and sold it for scrap, which they were considering at one time.
On Monday, April 28, 2014 8:19 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind
  


  
Wonder if there is still a Capitol there?

There were so many Capitols. Who  would notice one more, or less?  :-)

Never just a center or a facility. It always had to be a Capitol, often 
of an imaginary country that never existed. Can you say megalomania? I think 
you can. :-)

I'm sorry...after a weekend of fun and frolic to celebrate King's Day here in 
the Netherlands, I find myself mightily amused at the pompous-assed pretension 
of Maharishi and the TM movement. At least here in the Netherlands we actually 
*have* a king, and a real one, not one who had to pay for his crown by trading 
in a million dollars and his mind.  I wonder how long it'll be before we can 
pick one of them up in a pawn shop for five bucks.  :-)





 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind

[Richard J. Williams]

On 4/28/2014 8:55 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
 was that Navasota Texas?
 
That's the home town of Manse Lipscomb, the legendary blues musician. 
But, I think you're talking about Charleston, SC and his name was John 
C. Calhoun. Go figure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mance_Lipscomb


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Calhoun

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind

[Richard J. Williams]

On 4/28/2014 10:06 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
 Wonder if there is still a Capitol there?
 
Navasota is the Blues Capitol of Texas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navasota,_Texas

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind

[Richard J. Williams]

On 4/28/2014 10:19 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
At least here in the Netherlands we actually *have* a king, and a real 
one, not one who had to pay for his crown by trading in a million 
dollars and his mind.  I wonder how long it'll be before we can pick 
one of them up in a pawn shop for five bucks.  :-)


If I were you, I'd keep my U.S. Passport up to date as a back-up plan. 
Go figure.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind

[authfriend]

Those sure are some gorgeous Jerseys they've got. They make the huge hulking 
Holsteins that supply supermarket milk look like ungainly monsters. (Not the 
Holsteins' fault; they were bred that way to give as much milk as possible. But 
it isn't anywhere as good as milk from Jerseys.) 

 

 

 

 A beautiful key to creating Heaven on Earth for all mankind, the proper 
treatment of the cows 

 http://www.universalfields.org/index.html 
http://www.universalfields.org/index.html
 

 Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai Maharishi-ji!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind

[dhamiltony2k5]

I hope always that city people will support small farming and people who raise 
livestock on their own independent of the corporations. The opening of America 
to small farms and the opportunity for ownership was always what made America 
what it was. In the last few years with this aggregation taking place in large 
corporate agriculture and land-holding consolidation that has ended. May the 
Unified Field Transcendent God save the country, 
 -Buck in the Dome
 

 

 Authfriend writes:
 Those sure are some gorgeous Jerseys they've got. They make the huge hulking 
Holsteins that supply supermarket milk look like ungainly monsters. (Not the 
Holsteins' fault; they were bred that way to give as much milk as possible. But 
it isn't anywhere as good as milk from Jerseys.)
 

 

 

 

 A beautiful key to creating Heaven on Earth for all mankind, the proper 
treatment of the cows 

 http://www.universalfields.org/index.html 
http://www.universalfields.org/index.html
 

 Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai Maharishi-ji!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind

[dhamiltony2k5]

...practiced at being good at being a good human being in skill sets taking 
care of animals in nature. 
 That has mostly come to and end. Inside of 50 years this is a huge change in 
the relationship of humans with large nature. Now great leadership is only 
incubated and left to come out of what? Internet and social media forums, 
social -science and business schools, and some on-the-job or interning 
experience. May the Unified Field Transcendent help us.
 
 I hope always that city people will support small farming and people who raise 
livestock on their own independent of the corporations. The opening of America 
to small farms and the opportunity for ownership was always what made America 
what it was. In the last few years with this aggregation taking place in large 
corporate agriculture and land-holding consolidation that has ended. May the 
Unified Field Transcendent God save the country,
 -Buck in the Dome
 

 

 Authfriend writes:
 Those sure are some gorgeous Jerseys they've got. They make the huge hulking 
Holsteins that supply supermarket milk look like ungainly monsters. (Not the 
Holsteins' fault; they were bred that way to give as much milk as possible. But 
it isn't anywhere as good as milk from Jerseys.)
 

 

 

 

 A beautiful key to creating Heaven on Earth for all mankind, the proper 
treatment of the cows 

 http://www.universalfields.org/index.html 
http://www.universalfields.org/index.html
 

 Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai Maharishi-ji!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind

[dhamiltony2k5]

Care-taking large animals has always been an important practical and spiritual 
schooling in humanity, a laboratory cultivating in skill sets towards being a 
good human being. It just does not work well with animals unless you are a good 
person. Taking care of animals is always an exercise in humanity. Any effective 
leader of humanity in history it seems characteristically was once a care-taker 
of large animals, a sheep or goat herder child, herdsmen with cows, bullocks, 
horses, elephants. Just using a buggy horse to drive the long district court 
circuit like an Abraham Lincoln. With equines, like a Grant, Churchill, 
Marshall, Pershing, Patton, Truman, Eisenhower, Reagan each.
 
 ...practiced at being good at being a good human being in skill sets taking 
care of animals in nature.
 That has mostly come to and end. Inside of 50 years this is a huge change in 
the relationship of humans with large nature. Now great leadership is only 
incubated and left to come out of what? Internet and social media forums, 
social -science, law and business schools, and some on-the-job or interning 
experience. May the Unified Field Transcendent help us.
 
 I hope always that city people will support small farming and people who raise 
livestock on their own independent of the corporations. The opening of America 
to small farms and the opportunity for ownership was always what made America 
what it was. In the last few years with this aggregation taking place in large 
corporate agriculture and land-holding consolidation that has ended. May the 
Unified Field Transcendent God save the country,
 -Buck in the Dome
 

 

 Authfriend writes:
 Those sure are some gorgeous Jerseys they've got. They make the huge hulking 
Holsteins that supply supermarket milk look like ungainly monsters. (Not the 
Holsteins' fault; they were bred that way to give as much milk as possible. But 
it isn't anywhere as good as milk from Jerseys.)
 

 

 

 

 A beautiful key to creating Heaven on Earth for all mankind, the proper 
treatment of the cows 

 http://www.universalfields.org/index.html 
http://www.universalfields.org/index.html
 

 Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai Maharishi-ji!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for all Mankind

[dhamiltony2k5]

We are witnessing the end of an epoch. With the demise and succession of the 
WWII generation farmer of 360 acre farms and the consolidation to 720acres and 
1080acre farms to 3, 4, 7,16,000 acre holdings comes the end of very many 
humans being much close at all to any animal husbandry with large mammals 
anymore. You can see this now compared even to five and ten years ago at the 
County level and State Fairs. There are not nearly any animal projects now with 
the end of mixed agricultural family farming and those farmsteads out on the 
landscape. Farm operation is all going to growing gasohol and corporate animal 
feeding. It is really quite stunning to see the collapse of diversified 
agriculture in such a short period of time.
 
 Care-taking large animals has always been an important practical and spiritual 
schooling in humanity, a laboratory cultivating in skill sets towards being a 
good human being. It just does not work well with animals unless you are a good 
person. Taking care of animals is always an exercise in humanity. Any effective 
leader of humanity in history it seems characteristically was once a care-taker 
of large animals, a sheep or goat herder child, herdsmen with cows, bullocks, 
horses, elephants. Just using a buggy horse to drive the long district court 
circuit like an Abraham Lincoln. With equines, like a Grant, Churchill, 
Marshall, Pershing, Patton, Truman, Eisenhower, Reagan each.
 
 ...practiced at being good at being a good human being in skill sets taking 
care of animals in nature.
 That has mostly come to and end. Inside of 50 years this is a huge change in 
the relationship of humans with large nature. Now great leadership is only 
incubated and left to come out of what? Internet and social media forums, 
social -science, law and business schools, and some on-the-job or interning 
experience. May the Unified Field Transcendent help us.
 
 I hope always that city people will support small farming and people who raise 
livestock on their own independent of the corporations. The opening of America 
to small farms and the opportunity for ownership was always what made America 
what it was. In the last few years with this aggregation taking place in large 
corporate agriculture and land-holding consolidation that has ended. May the 
Unified Field Transcendent God save the country,
 -Buck in the Dome
 

 

 Authfriend writes:
 Those sure are some gorgeous Jerseys they've got. They make the huge hulking 
Holsteins that supply supermarket milk look like ungainly monsters. (Not the 
Holsteins' fault; they were bred that way to give as much milk as possible. But 
it isn't anywhere as good as milk from Jerseys.)
 

 

 

 

 A beautiful key to creating Heaven on Earth for all mankind, the proper 
treatment of the cows 

 http://www.universalfields.org/index.html 
http://www.universalfields.org/index.html
 

 Jai Jai Jai Jai Jai Maharishi-ji!

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: #39;Low Earth Orbit#39; music video, liner notes

[Bhairitu]

It is an interesting piece.  Keep up the good work!

On 10/02/2013 08:06 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:


Low Earth Orbit, liner notes:

The cloud shots were all done in my backyard (SF bay area), setting my 
camera at a fixed angle, shooting a piece of the sky, and either the 
redwood, or the avocado tree, then sped up 16x. The guy who appears 
with the shades and headphones was waiting for a bus in San Francisco, 
about seven years ago. I pointed my camera out the window of my van, 
and his soul was mine - lol. I live about three miles from the SJC 
airport, so the plane pics are local. Also the moon pictures – lots of 
sky here.


Some of my art made its way in. I’ve done wood carving. Most of the 
static photos are from an archive I discovered, looking for some 
photos I took of the moons of Jupiter (haven’t found them yet). So, 
2005-ish?


Maharishi’s Puja table is in here, from screenshots taken off of his 
Internet channel, prior to his passing. The circle with all the colors 
in it, is actually the bottom of a plastic glass, with the prism 
effect, before I washed it a lot, and lost most of the colors.


To produce the video, I had an idea in mind, and assembled about 250 
photos and videos; my palette. About 175 images survived. The title is 
always last.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:


Capturing the feeling of soaring over the planet earth (4:47). Edited 
from archives going back awhile. Yes, that is Maharishi's Puja table - 
screenshots from 2006, or so.


Here goes:

Low Earth Orbit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbCTo9AOI7k

or

http://tinyurl.com/nmv4qlp


copyright temple dog 2013

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[FairfieldLife] RE: This is Earth

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[FairfieldLife] Re: This is Earth

[turquoiseb]

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 YOUR IMAGES AREN'T SHOWING UP ON THE WEBSITE, BARRY.

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aren't showing up on YOUR version of the Yahoo
Web Reader. They show up fine on other versions
of the same reader.

If you're intent on taking it personally, consider
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[FairfieldLife] Re: This is Earth

[Jason]

Do you use third party crosssite blocker?  If so, you have
to manually release the link everytime.


 --- authfriend authfriend@.. wrote:

 YOUR IMAGES AREN'T SHOWING UP ON THE WEBSITE, BARRY.

  --- turquoiseb turquoiseb@.. wrote:
 
  It just doesn't look that way. It's an island where a
  third of its plant and animal life is found nowhere else
  on the planet. Cool.
 
  http://www.binscorner.com/pages/s/strange-plants-of-socotra-
http://www.binscorner.com/pages/s/strange-plants-of-socotra-
island.html?z=10  
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 it happens, Chrome is said to be one of the better 
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Only slightly less technically inept than the person 
she loves to rag on for that, Judy has missed all of
the discussions that pointed out that Yahoo does NOT
run the same software on all of its worldwide servers.

I'm still on the old version of the interface, although
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Lurker-friends in Europe, Canada, and Asia confirm that
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improvements Yahoo wants to roll out. 

Not my problem. Fuck you.  :-)  :-)  :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is Earth

[Bhairitu]

On 09/22/2013 08:35 AM, turquoiseb wrote:


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 It's not clear what you could mean by Yahoo Web Reader.
 I visit the FFL Web site and read what's on it using
 Chrome (which is normally called a browser). And as
 it happens, Chrome is said to be one of the better
 browsers for dealing with Neo.

Only slightly less technically inept than the person
she loves to rag on for that, Judy has missed all of
the discussions that pointed out that Yahoo does NOT
run the same software on all of its worldwide servers.

I'm still on the old version of the interface, although
it's buggier than usual. Quoting text in Replies works
only half the time. Neo only appears sporadically, and
then only in a pre-Beta version that doesn't even have
Reply buttons. So I've been posting these photos in
the exact same way that I have all along, using the
same old classic interface.

Lurker-friends in Europe, Canada, and Asia confirm that
they can see the photos I paste in just fine. Guess that
means that you guys in the US just don't rate, and are
considered mere low-rent test audiences for the
improvements Yahoo wants to roll out.

Not my problem. Fuck you. :-) :-) :-)



Have you tried logging out of FFL on your browser to see if you get 
Neo?  Logged in I see the old interface and logged out Neo.  On Neo the 
picture didn't show but the link was there which took me to the article.

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[authfriend]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This is Earth

[Richard J. Williams]

On 9/22/2013 10:35 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
 Not my problem. Fuck you. :-) :-) :-)

Maybe so, but I'm using Mozilla Thunderbird to read the
messages and  apparently, you're still using Yahoo.

Go figure.

Now, let's go over that issue about the Facebook code
installed  on your client laptop instead of on the server.

LoL!

Facebook had a harder challenge, because the code that
drives the interface is local and native (as opposed to
HTML5), and lives on the client device.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/358177 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/358177


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 I visit the FFL Web site and read what's on it using
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 it happens, Chrome is said to be one of the better
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Only slightly less technically inept than the person
she loves to rag on for that, Judy has missed all of
the discussions that pointed out that Yahoo does NOT
run the same software on all of its worldwide servers.

I'm still on the old version of the interface, although
it's buggier than usual. Quoting text in Replies works
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means that you guys in the US just don't rate, and are
considered mere low-rent test audiences for the
improvements Yahoo wants to roll out.

Not my problem. Fuck you. :-) :-) :-)

[FairfieldLife] RE: This is Earth

[doctordumbass]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 salyavin wrote: Funny thing is it doesn't matter if the people doing a 
 treatment believe it or not or if the patient knows it's a placebo or not, it 
 always comes out more or less the same way. Bizarre. Share replies: salyavin, 
 are sure you're in the science camp?! I say, if it ALWAYS comes out the same 
 way, then there's a scientific explanation. Right? Some area of the brain 
 that always get enlivened? Some neurotransmitter that ALWAYS gets released? 
 Wouldn't this be a valid avenue of scientific inquiry?

It is and has been. Very odd. BTW All medicine has an element of
white coat syndrome placebo that has to be taken into account. It's
only drugs that show they have a stronger effect than placebo's
that get approved. 

Except where doctors hand out placebo's deliberately, which the NHS
in UK is trying to outlaw to protests from doctors. A surgeon was
preparing to perform heart bypass surgery and got as far as opening
the patient on the operating table when they had to abort for some
reason. The patient was stitched back up and taken back to the ward
where they found he had the same result from *not* having the op as
they would expect if they'd gone ahead with the whole job.

So why not just do the opening the rib cage part and sewing it up?
It would save loads of time and money. Bit of a cruel experiment though

Same thing with electro convulsive therapy they give to severely
depressed people. There's no scientific reason it should work
but it does. 


 And replying again to your bit about a person holding very contradictory 
 ideas in their noggins. IMHO this is the rich area for research, exploding 
 noggins notwithstanding. This might even be a way at the hard problem ha ha.

 Interesting story about Derren Brown and his off the street faith healer. I 
 guess bottom line for me is we're just beginning to understand how the brain 
 functions in all its different modalities such as believing and thinking and 
 being prejudiced, etc. I might have to come back as a neuroscientist. And 
 then again as a geologist (-: 

How about neurogeologist?

That Geology show about the USA was on last night. Very interesting.
If you go to the Grand Canyon you can see a bit of Pangea that has
been sitting there ever since. Looked lovely.

And we found out why there is so much silver and gold in South
America. and where Llama's came from! I'm happy if I can learn
something new every day.

 Replying to another post: yep, walking under a full moon is supposedly good 
 for pitta types. Could be fairly easy to test.
 
 Replying to yet another post: I wonder if
  Sally Morgan the psychic *knew* she'd win the court case.

There were no irregular bets placed so maybe not.

Doris Stokes, famous psychic (now deceased, but I don't know if
anyone has contacted her) kept huge books of the letters people
sent her so when she turned up in a town it was odds-on that
the people who wrote would be in the audience so she would know
what names to call out and what the secrets were.


 
 Referring to another post: I have no trouble following your lines of 
 reasoning.

Oh good. I was fairly sure it wasn't me.


 
  From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:11 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?
  
 
 
   
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  salyavin wrote: But that's how placebo works, the more complex and arcane 
  the system, the greater the message to the unconscious to set off the 
  effect. Share replies: now THAT sounds like a theory that could use some 
  rigorous testing via scientific method!
 
 It has been. I think it was Barry posted something about what
 happens physiologically during the placebo response.
 
 But the idea that it's a ritual involving technical procedures
 and authority figures to provoke the response is correct. It's
 the white coat effect of anything a doctor gives you will do
 *something*.
 
 TV illusionist Derren Brown trained a man off the street to
 be a faith healer and it worked, he walked around asking
 people if they had any health problems and he'd rub his hands
 over an ankle (or whatever) and say a prayer and they would
 feel better.
 
 He claims that as pain is largely self measured then someone
 shifting the attention towards happiness by giving them a bit
 of attention will cause a regrade of even chronic pain and
 people think they are better.
 
 I was on a rounding course when MVVT was introduced, we got
 a lecture on how it worked by strengthening the body by reciting
 the vedas at them (which had me chuckling)
 
 The TMO set the ground work for this with Tony Nader's Book of
 discoveries of ved in the human physiology. Awareness of that
 will make you think there is some validity in chanting the
 relevant passage at someone's liver to cure them

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?

[Share Long]

Judy, big storm happening now. Hopefully power will continue, lightening won't 
strike, etc. Anyway, when I read your saying that done right, religion is 
*hard* I'm reminded of one of my favorite authors, Susan Howatch and her series 
of novels set in the Church of England, often with a high ranking clergyman as 
protagonist, undergoing a spiritual crisis and usually a woman is involved. 
Great stuff and there's always at least one character who expresses the same 
opinion that you do. A few of the characters span the entire series and the 
later novels feature offspring of a few at least three of them.

Replying to another post: 
In the article that salyavin posted, Dennet was referred to as a philosopher. 
Is he a scientist as well? I remember something about Darwinism but I thought 
maybe that was a hobby.  




 From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 5:02 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote:

snip

Many thoughtful religionists would tell you that if
comfort is what you're looking for in your religion,
you're doing it wrong. Done right, religion is *hard*.

Those aren't the folks Dawkins tends to want to talk
to. And they could do a better job of putting lazy
religionists on the hot seat than Dawkins could ever
manage.

 What do you think Feser etc would contribute to one of these 
 shows other than a more technical language? I think not much
 because if they had any evidence other than creative answers
 to certain questions we would have heard of it by now.

What is this evidence you seem to think should be
forthcoming from religionists? That's a notion Feser
would disabuse you of right quick.


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Judy, big storm happening now. Hopefully power will continue, lightening 
 won't strike, etc. Anyway, when I read your saying that done right, religion 
 is *hard* I'm reminded of one of my favorite authors, Susan Howatch and her 
 series of novels set in the Church of England, often with a high ranking 
 clergyman as protagonist, undergoing a spiritual crisis and usually a woman 
 is involved. Great stuff and there's always at least one character who 
 expresses the same opinion that you do. A few of the characters span the 
 entire series and the later novels feature offspring of a few at least three 
 of them.

Yes, I've read them all. Very entertaining and thoughtful.

 Replying to another post: 
 In the article that salyavin posted, Dennet was referred to as a philosopher. 
 Is he a scientist as well? I remember something about Darwinism but I thought 
 maybe that was a hobby.  

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=+daniel+dennett

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 salyavin wrote: But that's how placebo works, the more complex and arcane the 
 system, the greater the message to the unconscious to set off the effect. 
 Share replies: now THAT sounds like a theory that could use some rigorous 
 testing via scientific method!

It has been. I think it was Barry posted something about what
happens physiologically during the placebo response.

But the idea that it's a ritual involving technical procedures
and authority figures to provoke the response is correct. It's
the white coat effect of anything a doctor gives you will do
*something*.

TV illusionist Derren Brown trained a man off the street to
be a faith healer and it worked, he walked around asking
people if they had any health problems and he'd rub his hands
over an ankle (or whatever) and say a prayer and they would
feel better.

He claims that as pain is largely self measured then someone
shifting the attention towards happiness by giving them a bit
of attention will cause a regrade of even chronic pain and
people think they are better.

I was on a rounding course when MVVT was introduced, we got
a lecture on how it worked by strengthening the body by reciting
the vedas at them (which had me chuckling)

The TMO set the ground work for this with Tony Nader's Book of
discoveries of ved in the human physiology. Awareness of that
will make you think there is some validity in chanting the
relevant passage at someone's liver to cure them of something.

I predicted to anyone who would listen (not many) that the
results would come out as slightly better than a placebo
or about 20% having good results down to 40% getting minor
improvements. Or something like, that can't remember exactly.

Boy was I right. But it was a standard result rather than the
better one I expected because it was a group with strong beliefs.
Funny thing is it doesn't matter if the people doing a treatment
believe it or not or if the patient knows it's a placebo or not,
it always comes out more or less the same way. Bizarre.


 Yeah, when Stewart was standing at the edge of the falls, I kept trying to 
 see if he had a rope around himself or what. But I'm grateful for his crazy 
 daredevilness. As a required science class, I took Intro to Geology at Univ 
 of Maryland. Prof was one of the most popular. Rocks rock (-:

 
 Hmmm, scientific method as the great leveler? I still say we'll all 
 scientists all day long. And at a certain age, not much left to be leveled!

We are only scientists when we are trying to find out how things work,
the blind trials are most effective but people complain that certain
therapies rely as much on the interaction with the medic than they
do with the treatment.

How this is different from placebo effects is beyond me.

 But really, what did you think about my point that the core of all this, what 
 needs to be understoodmore thoroughly, is this cognitive dissonance? I think 
 there's something just there that's worth understanding however we can.

I don't think it's *core* but it is something to be aware of and
interesting to see in action. Do we all do it? Probably at some
point but it's when it gets extreme as the Leon Festinger book
I recommended the other day, where people believe the most obviously
contradictory things (and be happy with them) that are actually
scary.

 
 
 
  From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 1:33 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?
  
 
 
   
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  salyavin, thanks for giving me another reason to love Pangaea, well, even 
  its demise as well as its existence. That footage looking down into 
  Victoria Falls is awesome IMHO and elicits a pretty visceral response in me.
 
 That bit was great, I would taken *a lot* of persuading that was
 safe!
 
 Iain Stewart is one of my favourite BBC documentary makers, I
 ofetn wish I'd studied Geology as being able to look at a landscape
 and see how it formed and how old it is must be an awesome dimension of 
 awareness to have.
 
 I spent some time in Israel and used to go wandering in the desert
 and trying to figure out what could have happened to make it look
 like a huge piece of the Earth's crust had been picked up dropped 
 from a great height. I'm sure the answer will be in his new series 
 at some point.
 
  On the Dawkins topic: for me the core of the debate seems to lie in 
  understanding the nature of cognitive dissonance or what you call weird 
  disconnect or wooly thinking. I say let's hook up the ABofC to an fMRI and 
  see what actually happens inside his skull when he expresses such a 
  potentially explosive combo of belief and scientific knowledge. Yep, I'm 
  making a joke and I admit that whenever you make such a point, inside my 
  head I'm screaming gap, gap, gap

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:
(snip)
 On the Dawkins topic: for me the core of the debate seems to
 lie in understanding the nature of cognitive dissonance or
 what you call weird disconnect or wooly thinking.

Well, that isn't where the core of the debate salyavin
and I have been having lies, no. Perhaps you're thinking
of some other debate not currently taking place on FFL.

 I say let's hook up the ABofC to an fMRI and see what actually
 happens inside his skull when he expresses such a potentially
 explosive combo of belief and scientific knowledge.

I know you say you're joking about the fMRI, but I'm
curious as to why you assume Williams has ever expressed
a potentially explosive combo of belief and scientific
knowledge. Or are you joking about that too?





 Yep, I'm making a joke and I admit that whenever you make such a point, 
 inside my head I'm screaming gap, gap, gap! Maybe Dawkins doesn't have one. 
 Let's hook him up to fMRI too (-:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?

[Share Long]

Judy, here's the excerpt from salyavin I was replying to both in suggesting 
what for me is the core of this debate and in referring to a potential 
explosion when one entertains both scientific knowledge and belief in one's one 
skull:

Quite right too. Dawkins interviewed the archbishop of Canterbury
about his beliefs and was astonished that this king of wooly
thinking didn't really believe most of the bible - except as
moral teaching - leading Dawkins to ask why he didn't preach
science from the pulpit if he agrees with it so much. He didn't 
have an answer really, part of the weird disconnect that the 
devout must have these days if they are honest.

snip

RD met a science teacher at a high school in the UK who believes
the earth is 4000 years old. How can you hold both knowledge and
belief with exploding in cognitive dissonance. This teacher didn't
mind and perfectly understood both positions. Poor RD was stunned
into silence.


Share again: Of course I have assumed that salyavin meant to write: How can you 
hold both knowledge and belief withOUT exploding in cognitive dissonance?

I say let's hook up that teacher or the ABofC to fMRI so that poor RD no longer 
has to be stunned into silence by such wooly thinking.



 From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 10:05 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:
(snip)
 On the Dawkins topic: for me the core of the debate seems to
 lie in understanding the nature of cognitive dissonance or
 what you call weird disconnect or wooly thinking.

Well, that isn't where the core of the debate salyavin
and I have been having lies, no. Perhaps you're thinking
of some other debate not currently taking place on FFL.

 I say let's hook up the ABofC to an fMRI and see what actually
 happens inside his skull when he expresses such a potentially
 explosive combo of belief and scientific knowledge.

I know you say you're joking about the fMRI, but I'm
curious as to why you assume Williams has ever expressed
a potentially explosive combo of belief and scientific
knowledge. Or are you joking about that too?

 Yep, I'm making a joke and I admit that whenever you make such a point, 
 inside my head I'm screaming gap, gap, gap! Maybe Dawkins doesn't have one. 
 Let's hook him up to fMRI too (-:


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?

[authfriend]

Yes, Share, I know you were referring to what
salyavin said Dawkins said Williams said. My
point was that you assumed this third-hand
characterization was accurate, in spite of
both Dawkins's and salyavin's own wooly-headed
thinking about theism.

It seems to me one would want to know what
Williams *actually* said before concluding
there was any danger of a mental explosion
due to cognitive dissonance, much less that
such purported cognitive dissonance was the
core of this debate (which debate?--as I
said, not the debate salyavin and I were
having).

If you mean the debate between science and
religion generally, I would suggest that one
needs to inform oneself thoroughly about the
nature of the debate before drawing simplistic
conclusions as to what its core is.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 Judy, here's the excerpt from salyavin I was replying to both in suggesting 
 what for me is the core of this debate and in referring to a potential 
 explosion when one entertains both scientific knowledge and belief in one's 
 one skull:
 
 Quite right too. Dawkins interviewed the archbishop of Canterbury
 about his beliefs and was astonished that this king of wooly
 thinking didn't really believe most of the bible - except as
 moral teaching - leading Dawkins to ask why he didn't preach
 science from the pulpit if he agrees with it so much. He didn't 
 have an answer really, part of the weird disconnect that the 
 devout must have these days if they are honest.
 
 snip
 
 RD met a science teacher at a high school in the UK who believes
 the earth is 4000 years old. How can you hold both knowledge and
 belief with exploding in cognitive dissonance. This teacher didn't
 mind and perfectly understood both positions. Poor RD was stunned
 into silence.
 
 
 Share again: Of course I have assumed that salyavin meant to write: How can 
 you hold both knowledge and belief withOUT exploding in cognitive dissonance?
 
 I say let's hook up that teacher or the ABofC to fMRI so that poor RD no 
 longer has to be stunned into silence by such wooly thinking.
 
 
 
  From: authfriend authfriend@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 10:05 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?
  
 
 
   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 (snip)
  On the Dawkins topic: for me the core of the debate seems to
  lie in understanding the nature of cognitive dissonance or
  what you call weird disconnect or wooly thinking.
 
 Well, that isn't where the core of the debate salyavin
 and I have been having lies, no. Perhaps you're thinking
 of some other debate not currently taking place on FFL.
 
  I say let's hook up the ABofC to an fMRI and see what actually
  happens inside his skull when he expresses such a potentially
  explosive combo of belief and scientific knowledge.
 
 I know you say you're joking about the fMRI, but I'm
 curious as to why you assume Williams has ever expressed
 a potentially explosive combo of belief and scientific
 knowledge. Or are you joking about that too?
 
  Yep, I'm making a joke and I admit that whenever you make such a point, 
  inside my head I'm screaming gap, gap, gap! Maybe Dawkins doesn't have one. 
  Let's hook him up to fMRI too (-:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote:

 Yes, Share, I know you were referring to what
 salyavin said Dawkins said Williams said. My
 point was that you assumed this third-hand
 characterization was accurate, in spite of
 both Dawkins's and salyavin's own wooly-headed
 thinking about theism.

If I can add my two-pennyworth, I would say it's 
a bit *clever* of our Salyavin to attempt to
deflect this debate on to the wooliness or otherwise
of Rowan Williams, ex-archbishop of Canterbury.

Williams *is* the very archetype of the nice, well-
intentioned but woolly-headed Church of England 
theist. Having said that, he is also extremely bright 
(and sensitive) and probably has some quite subtle points
to make. But he is an easy target (superficially). And
new atheists, especially Dawkins, specialise in picking
on what they see as the low hanging fruit. 

I expect I have seen many of the same TV programs with Dawkins
that Salyavin has seen. Typically the format is that you will
see him debating some carefully chosen redneck. You do *not*
see him in the ring with a serious philosopher or theist 
with a thorough grounding in the classics (or even modern 
philosophy such as Wittgenstein or Popper). Or perhaps that's
above my subscription TV pay level.

 It seems to me one would want to know what
 Williams *actually* said before concluding
 there was any danger of a mental explosion
 due to cognitive dissonance, much less that
 such purported cognitive dissonance was the
 core of this debate (which debate?--as I
 said, not the debate salyavin and I were
 having).
 
 If you mean the debate between science and
 religion generally, I would suggest that one
 needs to inform oneself thoroughly about the
 nature of the debate before drawing simplistic
 conclusions as to what its core is.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
 
  Judy, here's the excerpt from salyavin I was replying to both in suggesting 
  what for me is the core of this debate and in referring to a potential 
  explosion when one entertains both scientific knowledge and belief in one's 
  one skull:
  
  Quite right too. Dawkins interviewed the archbishop of Canterbury
  about his beliefs and was astonished that this king of wooly
  thinking didn't really believe most of the bible - except as
  moral teaching - leading Dawkins to ask why he didn't preach
  science from the pulpit if he agrees with it so much. He didn't 
  have an answer really, part of the weird disconnect that the 
  devout must have these days if they are honest.
  
  snip
  
  RD met a science teacher at a high school in the UK who believes
  the earth is 4000 years old. How can you hold both knowledge and
  belief with exploding in cognitive dissonance. This teacher didn't
  mind and perfectly understood both positions. Poor RD was stunned
  into silence.
  
  
  Share again: Of course I have assumed that salyavin meant to write: How can 
  you hold both knowledge and belief withOUT exploding in cognitive 
  dissonance?
  
  I say let's hook up that teacher or the ABofC to fMRI so that poor RD no 
  longer has to be stunned into silence by such wooly thinking.
  
  
  
   From: authfriend authfriend@
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 10:05 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?
   
  
  
    
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  (snip)
   On the Dawkins topic: for me the core of the debate seems to
   lie in understanding the nature of cognitive dissonance or
   what you call weird disconnect or wooly thinking.
  
  Well, that isn't where the core of the debate salyavin
  and I have been having lies, no. Perhaps you're thinking
  of some other debate not currently taking place on FFL.
  
   I say let's hook up the ABofC to an fMRI and see what actually
   happens inside his skull when he expresses such a potentially
   explosive combo of belief and scientific knowledge.
  
  I know you say you're joking about the fMRI, but I'm
  curious as to why you assume Williams has ever expressed
  a potentially explosive combo of belief and scientific
  knowledge. Or are you joking about that too?
  
   Yep, I'm making a joke and I admit that whenever you make such a point, 
   inside my head I'm screaming gap, gap, gap! Maybe Dawkins doesn't have 
   one. Let's hook him up to fMRI too (-:
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote:
 
  Yes, Share, I know you were referring to what
  salyavin said Dawkins said Williams said. My
  point was that you assumed this third-hand
  characterization was accurate, in spite of
  both Dawkins's and salyavin's own wooly-headed
  thinking about theism.
 
 If I can add my two-pennyworth, I would say it's 
 a bit *clever* of our Salyavin to attempt to
 deflect this debate on to the wooliness or otherwise
 of Rowan Williams, ex-archbishop of Canterbury.
 
 Williams *is* the very archetype of the nice, well-
 intentioned but woolly-headed Church of England 
 theist. Having said that, he is also extremely bright 
 (and sensitive) and probably has some quite subtle points
 to make.

Reprising salyavin's version of Dawkins's version of
what Williams said:

Dawkins interviewed the archbishop of Canterbury
about his beliefs and was astonished that this king of wooly
thinking didn't really believe most of the bible - except as
moral teaching - leading Dawkins to ask why he didn't preach
science from the pulpit if he agrees with it so much. He didn't
have an answer really, part of the weird disconnect that the
devout must have these days if they are honest.

I can imagine Williams thinking, Shall I try to explain
myself to this boob? Naah. Waste of time and effort. Let
him think I don't have an answer. He wouldn't understand
it anyway.

I'd be willing to bet Dawkins took a chance on Williams
on the basis of what Spong had said about him, even
though Williams had strongly denied it.




 But he is an easy target (superficially). And
 new atheists, especially Dawkins, specialise in picking
 on what they see as the low hanging fruit. 
 
 I expect I have seen many of the same TV programs with Dawkins
 that Salyavin has seen. Typically the format is that you will
 see him debating some carefully chosen redneck. You do *not*
 see him in the ring with a serious philosopher or theist 
 with a thorough grounding in the classics (or even modern 
 philosophy such as Wittgenstein or Popper). Or perhaps that's
 above my subscription TV pay level.
 
  It seems to me one would want to know what
  Williams *actually* said before concluding
  there was any danger of a mental explosion
  due to cognitive dissonance, much less that
  such purported cognitive dissonance was the
  core of this debate (which debate?--as I
  said, not the debate salyavin and I were
  having).
  
  If you mean the debate between science and
  religion generally, I would suggest that one
  needs to inform oneself thoroughly about the
  nature of the debate before drawing simplistic
  conclusions as to what its core is.
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
  
   Judy, here's the excerpt from salyavin I was replying to both in 
   suggesting what for me is the core of this debate and in referring to a 
   potential explosion when one entertains both scientific knowledge and 
   belief in one's one skull:
   
   Quite right too. Dawkins interviewed the archbishop of Canterbury
   about his beliefs and was astonished that this king of wooly
   thinking didn't really believe most of the bible - except as
   moral teaching - leading Dawkins to ask why he didn't preach
   science from the pulpit if he agrees with it so much. He didn't 
   have an answer really, part of the weird disconnect that the 
   devout must have these days if they are honest.
   
   snip
   
   RD met a science teacher at a high school in the UK who believes
   the earth is 4000 years old. How can you hold both knowledge and
   belief with exploding in cognitive dissonance. This teacher didn't
   mind and perfectly understood both positions. Poor RD was stunned
   into silence.
   
   
   Share again: Of course I have assumed that salyavin meant to write: How 
   can you hold both knowledge and belief withOUT exploding in cognitive 
   dissonance?
   
   I say let's hook up that teacher or the ABofC to fMRI so that poor RD no 
   longer has to be stunned into silence by such wooly thinking.
   
   
   
From: authfriend authfriend@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 10:05 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?

   
   
     
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
   (snip)
On the Dawkins topic: for me the core of the debate seems to
lie in understanding the nature of cognitive dissonance or
what you call weird disconnect or wooly thinking.
   
   Well, that isn't where the core of the debate salyavin
   and I have been having lies, no. Perhaps you're thinking
   of some other debate not currently taking place on FFL.
   
I say let's hook up the ABofC to an fMRI and see what actually
happens inside his skull when he expresses such a potentially
explosive

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?

[salyavin808]

 these days if they are honest.
   
   snip
   
   RD met a science teacher at a high school in the UK who believes
   the earth is 4000 years old. How can you hold both knowledge and
   belief with exploding in cognitive dissonance. This teacher didn't
   mind and perfectly understood both positions. Poor RD was stunned
   into silence.
   
   
   Share again: Of course I have assumed that salyavin meant to write: How 
   can you hold both knowledge and belief withOUT exploding in cognitive 
   dissonance?
   
   I say let's hook up that teacher or the ABofC to fMRI so that poor RD no 
   longer has to be stunned into silence by such wooly thinking.
   
   
   
From: authfriend authfriend@
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 10:05 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?

   
   
     
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote:
   (snip)
On the Dawkins topic: for me the core of the debate seems to
lie in understanding the nature of cognitive dissonance or
what you call weird disconnect or wooly thinking.
   
   Well, that isn't where the core of the debate salyavin
   and I have been having lies, no. Perhaps you're thinking
   of some other debate not currently taking place on FFL.
   
I say let's hook up the ABofC to an fMRI and see what actually
happens inside his skull when he expresses such a potentially
explosive combo of belief and scientific knowledge.
   
   I know you say you're joking about the fMRI, but I'm
   curious as to why you assume Williams has ever expressed
   a potentially explosive combo of belief and scientific
   knowledge. Or are you joking about that too?
   
Yep, I'm making a joke and I admit that whenever you make such a point, 
inside my head I'm screaming gap, gap, gap! Maybe Dawkins doesn't have 
one. Let's hook him up to fMRI too (-:
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?

[Share Long]

salyavin wrote: Funny thing is it doesn't matter if the people doing a 
treatment believe it or not or if the patient knows it's a placebo or not, it 
always comes out more or less the same way. Bizarre. Share replies: salyavin, 
are sure you're in the science camp?! I say, if it ALWAYS comes out the same 
way, then there's a scientific explanation. Right? Some area of the brain that 
always get enlivened? Some neurotransmitter that ALWAYS gets released? Wouldn't 
this be a valid avenue of scientific inquiry?


And replying again to your bit about a person holding very contradictory ideas 
in their noggins. IMHO this is the rich area for research, exploding noggins 
notwithstanding. This might even be a way at the hard problem ha ha.


Interesting story about Derren Brown and his off the street faith healer. I 
guess bottom line for me is we're just beginning to understand how the brain 
functions in all its different modalities such as believing and thinking and 
being prejudiced, etc. I might have to come back as a neuroscientist. And then 
again as a geologist (-: 

Replying to another post: yep, walking under a full moon is supposedly good for 
pitta types. Could be fairly easy to test.

Replying to yet another post: I wonder if
 Sally Morgan the psychic *knew* she'd win the court case.

Referring to another post: I have no trouble following your lines of reasoning.



 From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 2:11 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 salyavin wrote: But that's how placebo works, the more complex and arcane the 
 system, the greater the message to the unconscious to set off the effect. 
 Share replies: now THAT sounds like a theory that could use some rigorous 
 testing via scientific method!

It has been. I think it was Barry posted something about what
happens physiologically during the placebo response.

But the idea that it's a ritual involving technical procedures
and authority figures to provoke the response is correct. It's
the white coat effect of anything a doctor gives you will do
*something*.

TV illusionist Derren Brown trained a man off the street to
be a faith healer and it worked, he walked around asking
people if they had any health problems and he'd rub his hands
over an ankle (or whatever) and say a prayer and they would
feel better.

He claims that as pain is largely self measured then someone
shifting the attention towards happiness by giving them a bit
of attention will cause a regrade of even chronic pain and
people think they are better.

I was on a rounding course when MVVT was introduced, we got
a lecture on how it worked by strengthening the body by reciting
the vedas at them (which had me chuckling)

The TMO set the ground work for this with Tony Nader's Book of
discoveries of ved in the human physiology. Awareness of that
will make you think there is some validity in chanting the
relevant passage at someone's liver to cure them of something.

I predicted to anyone who would listen (not many) that the
results would come out as slightly better than a placebo
or about 20% having good results down to 40% getting minor
improvements. Or something like, that can't remember exactly.

Boy was I right. But it was a standard result rather than the
better one I expected because it was a group with strong beliefs.
Funny thing is it doesn't matter if the people doing a treatment
believe it or not or if the patient knows it's a placebo or not,
it always comes out more or less the same way. Bizarre.

 Yeah, when Stewart was standing at the edge of the falls, I kept trying to 
 see if he had a rope around himself or what. But I'm grateful for his crazy 
 daredevilness. As a required science class, I took Intro to Geology at Univ 
 of Maryland. Prof was one of the most popular. Rocks rock (-:

 Hmmm, scientific method as the great leveler? I still say we'll all 
 scientists all day long. And at a certain age, not much left to be leveled!

We are only scientists when we are trying to find out how things work,
the blind trials are most effective but people complain that certain
therapies rely as much on the interaction with the medic than they
do with the treatment.

How this is different from placebo effects is beyond me.

 But really, what did you think about my point that the core of all this, what 
 needs to be understoodmore thoroughly, is this cognitive dissonance? I think 
 there's something just there that's worth understanding however we can.

I don't think it's *core* but it is something to be aware of and
interesting to see in action. Do we all do it? Probably at some
point but it's when it gets extreme as the Leon Festinger book
I recommended the other day, where people believe the most obviously
contradictory things (and be happy with them) that are actually
scary

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, PaliGap compost1uk@ wrote:
(snip)
  Williams *is* the very archetype of the nice, well-
  intentioned but woolly-headed Church of England 
  theist. Having said that, he is also extremely bright 
  (and sensitive) and probably has some quite subtle points
  to make. But he is an easy target (superficially). And
  new atheists, especially Dawkins, specialise in picking
  on what they see as the low hanging fruit. 
 
 Funny, you could swap the names around and be saying the
 same thing about Dawkins. Did you know the two of them
 are good friends? There are probably a lot of things that
 people don't know about Dawkins but in this rabid new
 athiest meme they have a handy caricature to rail against.

You know, you're the guy who brought up Dawkins and
painted a bullseye on him.

(And the New Atheist meme isn't pejorative, BTW.)

(snip)
 I'm the first to admit Dawkins mission has backfired in some ways
 but his position is correct, these memes have held an unjustifiably
 strong position in the world for too long and give us a lot
 of grief. And sure some comfort, which is key to their longevity.
 Can't we do without the comfort blanket *yet*? This is what
 Dawkins is on about and I for one agree.

Many thoughtful religionists would tell you that if
comfort is what you're looking for in your religion,
you're doing it wrong. Done right, religion is *hard*.

Those aren't the folks Dawkins tends to want to talk
to. And they could do a better job of putting lazy
religionists on the hot seat than Dawkins could ever
manage.

 What do you think Feser etc would contribute to one of these 
 shows other than a more technical language? I think not much
 because if they had any evidence other than creative answers
 to certain questions we would have heard of it by now.

What is this evidence you seem to think should be
forthcoming from religionists? That's a notion Feser
would disabuse you of right quick.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 salyavin, thanks for giving me another reason to love Pangaea, well, even its 
 demise as well as its existence. That footage looking down into Victoria 
 Falls is awesome IMHO and elicits a pretty visceral response in me.

That bit was great, I would taken *a lot* of persuading that was
safe!

Iain Stewart is one of my favourite BBC documentary makers, I
ofetn wish I'd studied Geology as being able to look at a landscape
and see how it formed and how old it is must be an awesome dimension of 
awareness to have.

I spent some time in Israel and used to go wandering in the desert
and trying to figure out what could have happened to make it look
like a huge piece of the Earth's crust had been picked up dropped 
from a great height. I'm sure the answer will be in his new series 
at some point.
 
 On the Dawkins topic: for me the core of the debate seems to lie in 
 understanding the nature of cognitive dissonance or what you call weird 
 disconnect or wooly thinking. I say let's hook up the ABofC to an fMRI and 
 see what actually happens inside his skull when he expresses such a 
 potentially explosive combo of belief and scientific knowledge. Yep, I'm 
 making a joke and I admit that whenever you make such a point, inside my head 
 I'm screaming gap, gap, gap! Maybe Dawkins doesn't have one. Let's hook him 
 up to fMRI too (-:

I'm sure he'd be first in line. I know someone who writes the
software for MRI scanners. I asked him if I could meditate in
one as his are the state of the art at London's main teaching
hospital, but he couldn't see the point. And he gets researchers
queueing round the block to finish ground breaking work. No time
for curious old hippies!

 On the acupuncture topic: I've never done it. But I have done EFT tapping 
 which is done on meridian points and I like it though can't say it cured  
 me. OTOH, I am currently doing an energy modality, thank you Cardemaister, 
 which involves no touch at all and with which I've had really good
  results.

I know lots of people who get a lot out of acupuncture and
some who got nothing, like Bhairitu. What interests me is that
something I had always assumed had something going for it due
to it's great age and sophistication, and it turns out it can't
survive a run in with the great leveller of scientific method!

But that's how placebo works, the more complex and arcane the 
system, the greater the message to the unconscious to set off
the effect. Assuming this study is correct of course


 BTW, stay tuned for news concerning my jyotish chart
  rectification and if it turns out to be accurate.   
 
 
 
  From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 9:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Did the Earth move for you?
  
 
 
   
 
 
 How the splitting up of a supercontinent 250million years ago led to the 
 invention of sex
 
 
 Today we are familiar with our continents being scattered across the globe, 
 but 250 million years ago they were part of one 'supercontinent'. Here TV 
 geologist Professor Iain Stewart tells how the history of the 
 'supercontinent' is responsible for koalas being native only to Australia and 
 llamas to only South America, but also, most importantly, how the 
 'supercontinent' brought about the invention of sex...
 
 We geologists are an odd bunch. We travel through lands that don't exist. The 
 gateway to these imagined lands are the rocks underfoot. They are portals to 
 the past. No need for a Tardis or fancy time machine - just a hand lens and a 
 hammer can teleport us back to ancient geological times.
 
 The ancestral Earths we geologists inspect are very different from the 
 familiar geography of the present. Today, our great land masses are scattered 
 across the globe, but repeatedly in our planet's history they have clumped 
 together as vast agglomerations - supercontinents.
 
 Supercontinents come together every 500 million years or so, as armadas of 
 land assemble, weld, founder and disperse. The most recent great continental 
 union occurred 250 million years ago.
 
 Geologists give it the name Pangaea, meaning 'all Earth', but it lasted only 
 100 million years. Its break-up would give us the scattered continents of 
 today. 
 
 But more than that, the rise and fall of Pangaea would shape our modern world 
 in the most surprising ways.
 
 For a start, the continental couplings that first gave birth to Pangaea 
 played a critical role in one of the most important evolutionary developments 
 in the story of life - the invention of sexual intercourse.
 
 The evidence is preserved in the walls of one of the planet's geological 
 wonders, the Grand Canyon.
 
 The strata in this gorge span more than a billion years of time, but it is 
 the uppermost rock layers that track the slow death of an ancient ocean as 
 continents coalesced. 
 
 The grey 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?

[Bhairitu]

On 06/22/2013 11:33 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:
 salyavin, thanks for giving me another reason to love Pangaea, well, even 
 its demise as well as its existence. That footage looking down into Victoria 
 Falls is awesome IMHO and elicits a pretty visceral response in me.
 That bit was great, I would taken *a lot* of persuading that was
 safe!

 Iain Stewart is one of my favourite BBC documentary makers, I
 ofetn wish I'd studied Geology as being able to look at a landscape
 and see how it formed and how old it is must be an awesome dimension of 
 awareness to have.

 I spent some time in Israel and used to go wandering in the desert
 and trying to figure out what could have happened to make it look
 like a huge piece of the Earth's crust had been picked up dropped
 from a great height. I'm sure the answer will be in his new series
 at some point.
   
 On the Dawkins topic: for me the core of the debate seems to lie in 
 understanding the nature of cognitive dissonance or what you call weird 
 disconnect or wooly thinking. I say let's hook up the ABofC to an fMRI and 
 see what actually happens inside his skull when he expresses such a 
 potentially explosive combo of belief and scientific knowledge. Yep, I'm 
 making a joke and I admit that whenever you make such a point, inside my 
 head I'm screaming gap, gap, gap! Maybe Dawkins doesn't have one. Let's hook 
 him up to fMRI too (-:
 I'm sure he'd be first in line. I know someone who writes the
 software for MRI scanners. I asked him if I could meditate in
 one as his are the state of the art at London's main teaching
 hospital, but he couldn't see the point. And he gets researchers
 queueing round the block to finish ground breaking work. No time
 for curious old hippies!

 On the acupuncture topic: I've never done it. But I have done EFT tapping 
 which is done on meridian points and I like it though can't say it cured  
 me. OTOH, I am currently doing an energy modality, thank you Cardemaister, 
 which involves no touch at all and with which I've had really good
   results.
 I know lots of people who get a lot out of acupuncture and
 some who got nothing, like Bhairitu.

I didn't say that did I?  I said the effect was stimulation but the 
effect wore off after a day.  Of course you don't know why I was getting 
the therapy in the first place but it was for low energy.  I tend to be 
hypotense or the opposite of the majority of Americans. Probably due to 
all these years of meditating or being born with weak adrenals.  The 
acupuncturist was the wife of the MD and had studied in Beijing.

The point I made was that acupuncture HAD an effect.  For some that same 
treatment might have lasted days or even weeks.   The MD also gave me 
intravenous vitamins which made me feel good for about a day or so.  The 
MD was a very good holistic practitioner in the Seattle area.  At the 
time back in 1990 he was considering taking the MAPI course for 
doctors.  I warned him a bit about the TMO.  I hope he also took Dr. 
Lad's course for MDs.

Are you a scientist or a wannabe scientist?  I hope you don't do pujas 
to Merck every day. :-D

   What interests me is that
 something I had always assumed had something going for it due
 to it's great age and sophistication, and it turns out it can't
 survive a run in with the great leveller of scientific method!

Who sponsored the research?  Remember there is a lot at stake in the for 
profit medicine industry that fears inexpensive cures.

But here, this is probably right up your alley if not too geek for you. ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZx9UjLAIE4

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote:

 On 06/22/2013 11:33 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
 

  I know lots of people who get a lot out of acupuncture and
  some who got nothing, like Bhairitu.
 
 I didn't say that did I? 

Oops, this morning was a long time ago, but you didn't seem 
impressed.

 I said the effect was stimulation but the 
 effect wore off after a day.  Of course you don't know why I was getting 
 the therapy in the first place but it was for low energy.  I tend to be 
 hypotense or the opposite of the majority of Americans. Probably due to 
 all these years of meditating or being born with weak adrenals.  The 
 acupuncturist was the wife of the MD and had studied in Beijing.
 
 The point I made was that acupuncture HAD an effect.
  For some that same 
 treatment might have lasted days or even weeks.   The MD also gave me 
 intravenous vitamins which made me feel good for about a day or so.  The 
 MD was a very good holistic practitioner in the Seattle area.  At the 
 time back in 1990 he was considering taking the MAPI course for 
 doctors.  I warned him a bit about the TMO.  I hope he also took Dr. 
 Lad's course for MDs.
 
 Are you a scientist or a wannabe scientist?  I hope you don't do pujas to 
 Merck every day. :-D

If I thought it would help.



 
What interests me is that
  something I had always assumed had something going for it due
  to it's great age and sophistication, and it turns out it can't
  survive a run in with the great leveller of scientific method!
 
 Who sponsored the research?  Remember there is a lot at stake in the for 
 profit medicine industry that fears inexpensive cures.

Relax. This from the bottom of the article:

DISCLOSURES
Name: David Colquhoun, PhD.

Contribution: Professor Colquhoun coauthored the manuscript.

Attestation: Professor Colquhoun approved the final manuscript.

Conflicts of Interest: Professor Colquhoun has no financial conflicts of 
interest. Professor Colquhoun writes the DC's Improbable Science blog 
(http://dcscience.net/), devoted to scientific fraud and medical quackery and 
education policy. Many postings to Dr. Colquhoun's blog address the lack of 
scientific evidence for alternative medicine.

Name: Steven P. Novella, MD.

Contribution: Professor Novella coauthored the manuscript.

Attestation: Professor Novella approved the final manuscript.

Conflicts of Interest: Professor Novella has no financial conflicts of 
interest. Professor Novella maintains the Neurologica blog, described as 
your daily fix of neuroscience, skepticism, and critical thinking. The 
Neurologica blog occasionally addresses the lack of scientific evidence for 
alternative medicine.

This manuscript was handled by: Steven L. Shafer, MD.

Footnotes
Accepted for publication February 1, 2013.

Funding: None.

Conflict of Interest: See Disclosures at the end of the article.

Reprints will not be available from the authors.

Copyright © 2013 International Anesthesia Research Society

 
 But here, this is probably right up your alley if not too geek for you. ;-)
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZx9UjLAIE4

Excellent! Always good to have things to look forward to.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?

[Share Long]

salyavin wrote: But that's how placebo works, the more complex and arcane the 
system, the greater the message to the unconscious to set off the effect. Share 
replies: now THAT sounds like a theory that could use some rigorous testing via 
scientific method!
Yeah, when Stewart was standing at the edge of the falls, I kept trying to see 
if he had a rope around himself or what. But I'm grateful for his crazy 
daredevilness. As a required science class, I took Intro to Geology at Univ of 
Maryland. Prof was one of the most popular. Rocks rock (-:

Hmmm, scientific method as the great leveler? I still say we'll all scientists 
all day long. And at a certain age, not much left to be leveled!
But really, what did you think about my point that the core of all this, what 
needs to be understoodmore thoroughly, is this cognitive dissonance? I think 
there's something just there that's worth understanding however we can.




 From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 1:33 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Did the Earth move for you?
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 salyavin, thanks for giving me another reason to love Pangaea, well, even its 
 demise as well as its existence. That footage looking down into Victoria 
 Falls is awesome IMHO and elicits a pretty visceral response in me.

That bit was great, I would taken *a lot* of persuading that was
safe!

Iain Stewart is one of my favourite BBC documentary makers, I
ofetn wish I'd studied Geology as being able to look at a landscape
and see how it formed and how old it is must be an awesome dimension of 
awareness to have.

I spent some time in Israel and used to go wandering in the desert
and trying to figure out what could have happened to make it look
like a huge piece of the Earth's crust had been picked up dropped 
from a great height. I'm sure the answer will be in his new series 
at some point.

 On the Dawkins topic: for me the core of the debate seems to lie in 
 understanding the nature of cognitive dissonance or what you call weird 
 disconnect or wooly thinking. I say let's hook up the ABofC to an fMRI and 
 see what actually happens inside his skull when he expresses such a 
 potentially explosive combo of belief and scientific knowledge. Yep, I'm 
 making a joke and I admit that whenever you make such a point, inside my head 
 I'm screaming gap, gap, gap! Maybe Dawkins doesn't have one. Let's hook him 
 up to fMRI too (-:

I'm sure he'd be first in line. I know someone who writes the
software for MRI scanners. I asked him if I could meditate in
one as his are the state of the art at London's main teaching
hospital, but he couldn't see the point. And he gets researchers
queueing round the block to finish ground breaking work. No time
for curious old hippies!

 On the acupuncture topic: I've never done it. But I have done EFT tapping 
 which is done on meridian points and I like it though can't say it cured  
 me. OTOH, I am currently doing an energy modality, thank you Cardemaister, 
 which involves no touch at all and with which I've had really good
  results.

I know lots of people who get a lot out of acupuncture and
some who got nothing, like Bhairitu. What interests me is that
something I had always assumed had something going for it due
to it's great age and sophistication, and it turns out it can't
survive a run in with the great leveller of scientific method!

But that's how placebo works, the more complex and arcane the 
system, the greater the message to the unconscious to set off
the effect. Assuming this study is correct of course

 BTW, stay tuned for news concerning my jyotish chart
  rectification and if it turns out to be accurate.   
 
 
 
  From: salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 9:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Did the Earth move for you?
 
 
 
   
 
 
 How the splitting up of a supercontinent 250million years ago led to the 
 invention of sex
 
 
 Today we are familiar with our continents being scattered across the globe, 
 but 250 million years ago they were part of one 'supercontinent'. Here TV 
 geologist Professor Iain Stewart tells how the history of the 
 'supercontinent' is responsible for koalas being native only to Australia and 
 llamas to only South America, but also, most importantly, how the 
 'supercontinent' brought about the invention of sex...
 
 We geologists are an odd bunch. We travel through lands that don't exist. The 
 gateway to these imagined lands are the rocks underfoot. They are portals to 
 the past. No need for a Tardis or fancy time machine - just a hand lens and a 
 hammer can teleport us back to ancient geological times.
 
 The ancestral Earths we geologists inspect are very different from the 
 familiar geography of the present. Today, our great land

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven and Earth

[wgm4u]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote:

 by Corrado Giaquinto, Italy:
 http://www.museumsyndicate.com/item.php?item=21571


Manly P Hall on the polarity of *Heaven and Earth*.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-6aQ2qCTuI

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck  wrote:

 
  
  Heaven
 on
Earth
   
   The Transcendental Meditation program, bringing the experience of 
   Transcendental Consciousness, pure consciousness, nourishes all areas of 
   life and purifies human awareness, rendering life worthy of reaching the 
   altar of God—one's own God—through one's own religion.
   Here is the key to living life in accordance with the will of God—Natural 
   Law—and enjoying Heaven on Earth.'—Maharishi
   

Since time immemorial the creation of Heaven on Earth has been the 
highest aspiration of religions. All religions teach, however, that if 
Heaven is to be created on earth, it can happen only by having enough 
individuals whose consciousness is fully developed; that is, 
individuals whose consciousness is so expanded that it becomes one with 
the supreme intelligence of nature which permeates the whole universe 
and upholds all of creation.

 
 Heaven on Earth will be a living expression of pure knowledge and 
 it's infinite organizing power.  It will brilliantly display Nature's 
 functioning bringing supreme fulfillment to life.
 
  
  With reference to CULTURE, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by 
  cultural integrity in which every nation will blossom in the 
  richness of its natural cultural dignity.  Life will be lived 
  spontaneously in accord with the natural law of the land.  No 
  culture will overshadow any other culture.  The whole world family 
  will be a beautiful mosaic of different cultures.  With the full 
  blossoming of culture on earth, civilization will be perfect.  
  Heaven on Earth will be characterized by a perfect civilization.
   
   With Heaven on Earth, every nation will spontaneously radiate a 
   nourishing influence to neighboring nations, and the whole family 
   of nations will naturally enjoy harmony and real freedom.  

With Heaven on Earth, INVINCIBILITY will be the national 
characteristic of every nation, victory before war will be 
enjoyed by every nation. 
 
 With reference to DEFENSE, Heaven on Earth will be 
 characterized by victory before war -in the lack of the need 
 to prepare for defense- because everything and everyone will 
 be on the path of evolution, and as a result, coherence in 
 every country will be so strong that invincibility will be a 
 natural feature of national life.  No negativity will arise 
 and no enemy will be born for any nation.
  
  Heaven on Earth on the COLLECTIVE level will be 
  characterized by indomitable positivity, harmony, and peace 
  on all levels of collective life -family, community, 
  nation, and the world.  Heaven on Earth will also be 
  characterized by perfection in all areas of the life of the 
  individual and society.
   
   Heaven on Earth on the INDIVIDUAL level will be 
   characterized by perfect health, long life in bliss, the 
   ability to effortlessly fulfill one's desires, and live 
   always in a beautiful, ever fresh, and nourishing 
   environment. 

Considering all the innumerable values of life and 
living, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by all 
good everywhere and non-good nowhere – beautiful 
sunshine of the Age of Enlightenment for everyone 
always and everywhere.
 
 With reference to LIVING, Heaven on Earth will be 
 characterized by self-sufficiency in the ability to 
 know anything, do anything, and accomplish anything.
  
   With reference to LIFE, Heaven on Earth is 
  characterized by perfection, complete balance and 
  integration.  Fulfillment will prevail on all 
  levels of life and living -spiritual, intellectual, 
  physical, material, environment, and cosmic.
   
   Heaven on Earth may be defined as the supreme 
   quality of life everywhere in this beautiful 
   world when weakness and suffering is not found 
   anywhere, and everyone in the world enjoys real 
   freedom in bliss and fulfillment.  This Heaven on 
   Earth is now going to be real for everyone and 
   every nation.
   
Heaven on Earth has been the most laudable 
aspiration of the wise throughout the ages.  
Creation of Heaven on Earth is the most 
desirable project in the entire history of the 
human race.  Everyone can now enjoy Heaven on 
Earth through perfect alliance with Natural 
Law, through the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth

[Buck]

 
 Heaven
on
  
  The Transcendental Meditation program, bringing the experience of 
  Transcendental Consciousness, pure consciousness, nourishes all areas of 
  life and purifies human awareness, rendering life worthy of reaching the 
  altar of God—one's own God—through one's own religion.
  Here is the key to living life in accordance with the will of God—Natural 
  Law—and enjoying Heaven on Earth.'—Maharishi
  
   
   Since time immemorial the creation of Heaven on Earth has been the 
   highest aspiration of religions. All religions teach, however, that if 
   Heaven is to be created on earth, it can happen only by having enough 
   individuals whose consciousness is fully developed; that is, individuals 
   whose consciousness is so expanded that it becomes one with the supreme 
   intelligence of nature which permeates the whole universe and upholds all 
   of creation.
   

Heaven on Earth will be a living expression of pure knowledge and it's 
infinite organizing power.  It will brilliantly display Nature's 
functioning bringing supreme fulfillment to life.

 
 With reference to CULTURE, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by 
 cultural integrity in which every nation will blossom in the richness 
 of its natural cultural dignity.  Life will be lived spontaneously in 
 accord with the natural law of the land.  No culture will overshadow 
 any other culture.  The whole world family will be a beautiful mosaic 
 of different cultures.  With the full blossoming of culture on earth, 
 civilization will be perfect.  Heaven on Earth will be characterized 
 by a perfect civilization.
  
  With Heaven on Earth, every nation will spontaneously radiate a 
  nourishing influence to neighboring nations, and the whole family 
  of nations will naturally enjoy harmony and real freedom.  
   
   With Heaven on Earth, INVINCIBILITY will be the national 
   characteristic of every nation, victory before war will be 
   enjoyed by every nation. 

With reference to DEFENSE, Heaven on Earth will be 
characterized by victory before war -in the lack of the need to 
prepare for defense- because everything and everyone will be on 
the path of evolution, and as a result, coherence in every 
country will be so strong that invincibility will be a natural 
feature of national life.  No negativity will arise and no 
enemy will be born for any nation.
 
 Heaven on Earth on the COLLECTIVE level will be characterized 
 by indomitable positivity, harmony, and peace on all levels 
 of collective life -family, community, nation, and the world. 
  Heaven on Earth will also be characterized by perfection in 
 all areas of the life of the individual and society.
  
  Heaven on Earth on the INDIVIDUAL level will be 
  characterized by perfect health, long life in bliss, the 
  ability to effortlessly fulfill one's desires, and live 
  always in a beautiful, ever fresh, and nourishing 
  environment. 
   
   Considering all the innumerable values of life and 
   living, Heaven on Earth will be characterized by all good 
   everywhere and non-good nowhere – beautiful sunshine of 
   the Age of Enlightenment for everyone always and 
   everywhere.

With reference to LIVING, Heaven on Earth will be 
characterized by self-sufficiency in the ability to 
know anything, do anything, and accomplish anything.
 
  With reference to LIFE, Heaven on Earth is 
 characterized by perfection, complete balance and 
 integration.  Fulfillment will prevail on all levels 
 of life and living -spiritual, intellectual, 
 physical, material, environment, and cosmic.
  
  Heaven on Earth may be defined as the supreme 
  quality of life everywhere in this beautiful world 
  when weakness and suffering is not found anywhere, 
  and everyone in the world enjoys real freedom in 
  bliss and fulfillment.  This Heaven on Earth is now 
  going to be real for everyone and every nation.
  
   Heaven on Earth has been the most laudable 
   aspiration of the wise throughout the ages.  
   Creation of Heaven on Earth is the most desirable 
   project in the entire history of the human race.  
   Everyone can now enjoy Heaven on Earth through 
   perfect alliance with Natural Law, through the 
   enlivenment of the total potential of Natural Law 
   in one's own consciousness.
  
 

   
  
 

   
   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 mjackson74@... wrote:

 
re-certification which in my opinion was one of the sleazier moves M ever 
made - 

Always touching when someone from outside the Movement has the best interest of 
the TM-teachers at heart !
Anyway, the re-certification had to important effects; getting rid of dead-wood 
not doing anything useful anymore, and making sure white trash rednecks could 
never enter the Movement again. 
As such the new structure proved very successful.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  
 re-certification which in my opinion was one of the sleazier moves M ever 
 made - 
 
 Always touching when someone from outside the Movement has the best interest 
 of the TM-teachers at heart !
 Anyway, the re-certification had to important effects; getting rid of 
 dead-wood not doing anything useful anymore, and making sure white trash 
 rednecks could never enter the Movement again. 
 As such the new structure proved very successful.


Oh, and Happy New Year ! :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 mjackson74@... wrote:

 Are you kidding? The schism has already taken place - there are former TM 
 teachers all over the place who either teach their own brand of meditation or 
 teach TM without the Movement and its re-certification which in my opinion 
 was one of the sleazier moves M ever made - making tried and true teachers 
 pay to get re-certified. I mean, Jerry Jarvis needs to get re-certified? 
 March-y must-a needed to get one of his nephews a new gold Bently for his 
 birthday.

Well that is true, but I was talking about what would be considered a rival 
organisation. Like the Reformation. But your point is taken. Robin's group was 
essentially a splinter group, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar might be considered a 
splinter group, but he does not seem to be teaching TM but a breathing 
technique, he just went off on his own thing.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  
 re-certification which in my opinion was one of the sleazier moves M ever 
 made - 
 
 Always touching when someone from outside the Movement has the best interest 
 of the TM-teachers at heart !
 Anyway, the re-certification had to important effects; getting rid of 
 dead-wood not doing anything useful anymore, and making sure white trash 
 rednecks could never enter the Movement again. 
 As such the new structure proved very successful.

Who were these white trash rednecks? Did these type of people have a tendency 
to want to become TM teachers? What makes you think types like these would 
never enter the Movement again due to the re-certification process? What was 
it about the process that ensured this? What makes MJ someone outside of the 
Movement when he was clearly very much inside the Movement for decades? Or is 
someone not part of the Movement who is not a teacher? That would certainly 
disqualify a lot of students and meditators. Or did your response just signify 
a knee jerk, but baseless, short diatribe containing nothing but unfounded 
reaction? These are not rhetorical questions Nab. I want to know what you mean 
here.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks

[Duveyoung]

Feste37,  My main bitch is that the promise was that we'd all get to be 
psychologically healthy, wise, deep, good, righteous, just, positive, 
supportive etc. etc.  Jerry Seinfeld started off already accomplished -- he 
simply cannot be used as an example.  

I personally, if anything, after 30 years, was more cranky, more frustrated, 
less inclined to patience, mired in blaming, socially ungainly, as narcissistic 
as always, and on and on, my list of things I want to get out of my 
personality NEVER CHANGED.  No lines drawn through any of the items on my 
to-do list.

Flat out I tell you I know NO ONE who changed from TM in any way that life 
happening wouldn't account for.  

TM was sold to us on the basis of fulfilling desires in daily life.  That's how 
we were taught to sell TM.  

Then, my life crumbled in a perfect storm of THREE major disasters 
simultaneously, and it was obvious that TM had not prepared me for the 
scenario. Not. In. The. Least.  From then on, I could not deny that I had not 
gained anything from TM except maybe I could get to a state of lesser 
excitation quicker than non-meditators.   

I quit TM within a year of that.  

But, it could be argued that TM got me far enough, such that my fervor for 
realization was strengthened enough such that my intellect could profit from my 
studies of Advaita.  Like that.  Who knows?

But, me, I took it personally.  I blamed Maharishi and Girish for being frauds 
who took a pretty good technique and promised everything -- step right up and 
see the hoochy choochy girls for one dollar you spiritual hicks from the 
sticks. 

Of all the people I taught TM, less than 10% were still doing it a year later 
-- the results, if any, are not obvious to the massesor to psychometrics. 

Emperor's new clothes and all that. 

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote:

 Just a quick reaction to this: just because people stop doing something 
 doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't work or isn't doing them good. Exercise 
 is a good example. How many people start exercise programs and discontinue 
 them, even though they know it is good for them? With TM, you do have to make 
 the time for it, and not everyone is willing to do that on a long-term basis. 
 Also, the TM critics here seem to accept the idea that many long-term 
 meditators are ineffective in life (as you put it). I'm not convinced of that 
 at all. Recently Jerry Seinfeld was on ABC talking about his 40-year TM 
 practice. Thousands of other very successful people are long-term TMers, and 
 this association between ineffectiveness and long-term TM seems to me 
 decidedly unproven and most probably untrue. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  Wow - there is a lot here - at least for me as I have been in the process 
  of processing my feelings/experiences with TM these last months - I have 
  tired also to make that point that if TM is actually as effective why do so 
  many people quit? Why do so many people who do TM long term act like asses 
  or become completely ineffective in life? Not everyone, but a lot do.
  
  I appreciate your posting these words.
  
  I was re-reading part of Earl Kaplan's letter and want to know what you 
  think of this part:
  
  
  One other important point is that the mechanical repetition
  of a mantra without meaning or devotion brings no spiritual progress
  whatsoever. This point is referred to in the yoga sutras and in many
  discussions of great spiritual teachers. The mechanical repetition of some
  meaningless word brings no opening of the heart, no love in one's life, and 
  no
  unfoldment of true spiritual values. 
  Haven't you ever
  wondered why so many people in the TM movement seemed so heartless, 
  especially
  the administrators the early courses? It was because their mechanical
  repetition of a meaningless word was actually closing their heart, not 
  opening
  it. That is why so many people in the TM movement have suffered a sort of
  disassociation with so much of their life where they don't have the same
  feelings they used to. It's not because they are more highly evolved, it is
  because they are disconnected from their hearts.
  
  What do you think about this?
  
  
  
  
  
   From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:15 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
   
  
    
  What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? 
  
  Of course I'm an asshole  -- everyone is.
  
  And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, 
  44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a nothing 
  technique that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders? 
   If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are 
  leaders of a movement that is offering

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks

[Duveyoung]

Mjackson740,

I think any intent is devolving, but if one is going to insist on being 
one, (an individuality) then bhakti is probably a safe way to spend your 
identity dollar.  Ramana Maharshi says that the mantra must be accompanied by 
the devotional substrate-dynamic, so I'm going to go with that opinion, but 
note that Ramana rejects all techniques as secondary compared to direct 
realization of the Self.  

To ask Who am I? instantly dissolves the ego to insignificance when it simply 
cannot be found!  This method tricks the mind by giving it a ghost to seek when 
it wants to invest in an identification.  And with identification in hand, so 
to speak, without an object of consciousness to assign as hey, that there is 
'me,' there's a chance then that identity itself -- as a process of the mind 
-- ceases, and that's a very good thing if you ask me.

Now, if one uses the heart to get to that doorway instead, I cannot gripe.  The 
heart finds the divine and swoons into to it leaving the soul, like Japanese 
sandals on the doorstep, behind.  

Thorn to remove a thorn -- be an individual but only so that there's someone 
to love God, yes, that works, and then, if successful, one can remain a 
devotee in an ocean of unity, or one can go all the way to full Godship -- that 
is, beyond God-the-manifest.  

Note that the monsters of evil, when they attacked Krishna, were instantly 
enlightened -- that is, Krishna stomped them into such a mush that 
identification could no longer find purchase, and they were, as if, returned to 
the unmanifest -- free of all evil attachments.  

A hard path, the dark side is. -- Yoda

As for becoming heartless due to TM not having a devotional dynamic, h, not 
so much.  Maybe, but not sure, cuz I work the heart in daily life, so maybe 
most folks get enough exercise that way to balance TM's lack of it.  

 Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 Wow - there is a lot here - at least for me as I have been in the process of 
 processing my feelings/experiences with TM these last months - I have tired 
 also to make that point that if TM is actually as effective why do so many 
 people quit? Why do so many people who do TM long term act like asses or 
 become completely ineffective in life? Not everyone, but a lot do.
 
 I appreciate your posting these words.
 
 I was re-reading part of Earl Kaplan's letter and want to know what you think 
 of this part:
 
 
 One other important point is that the mechanical repetition
 of a mantra without meaning or devotion brings no spiritual progress
 whatsoever. This point is referred to in the yoga sutras and in many
 discussions of great spiritual teachers. The mechanical repetition of some
 meaningless word brings no opening of the heart, no love in one's life, and no
 unfoldment of true spiritual values. 
 Haven't you ever
 wondered why so many people in the TM movement seemed so heartless, especially
 the administrators the early courses? It was because their mechanical
 repetition of a meaningless word was actually closing their heart, not opening
 it. That is why so many people in the TM movement have suffered a sort of
 disassociation with so much of their life where they don't have the same
 feelings they used to. It's not because they are more highly evolved, it is
 because they are disconnected from their hearts.
 
 What do you think about this?
 
 
 
 
 
  From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:15 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
  
 
   
 What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion? 
 
 Of course I'm an asshole  -- everyone is.
 
 And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, 44,000 
 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a nothing 
 technique that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders?  
 If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are 
 leaders of a movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so 
 they're frauds -- or, as I have said:  ASSHOLES! 
 
 Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded? 
 
 These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, 
 dismissive, and on and on.  Not always, but often.  Not to me personally, so 
 much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW.
 
 One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing 
 something -- like a Nazi SS.  Which reminds me of this time I personally 
 walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, and 
 he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the check and 
 leave his office.  Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him. 
 
 I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net 
 worth each.  All of them strutted around like feudal lords

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote:
 Who were these white trash rednecks? Did these type of people have a 
 tendency to want to become TM teachers? What makes you think types like these 
 would never enter the Movement again due to the re-certification process? 
 What was it about the process that ensured this? What makes MJ someone 
 outside of the Movement when he was clearly very much inside the Movement 
 for decades? Or is someone not part of the Movement who is not a teacher? 
 That would certainly disqualify a lot of students and meditators. Or did your 
 response just signify a knee jerk, but baseless, short diatribe containing 
 nothing but unfounded reaction? These are not rhetorical questions Nab. 

I want to know what you mean here.

No you don't Ann. I've posted several answers to your questions before and 
receiving only gibberish as a response, so I will not even try again.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks

[seventhray27]

Hey Edg,

Nice post.  I especially liked part

That is something I've never thought of.  Now, at the risk of sounding
stupid, is this sort of the encapsulated version of Advaita.  I've
never really understood it before, or had the  motivation to try to
figure it out.  But you've come up with such a concise description, that
I can get my head around it.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote:

 Mjackson740,

 I think any intent is devolving, but if one is going to insist on
being one, (an individuality) then bhakti is probably a safe way to
spend your identity dollar. Ramana Maharshi says that the mantra must
be accompanied by the devotional substrate-dynamic, so I'm going to go
with that opinion, but note that Ramana rejects all techniques as
secondary compared to direct realization of the Self.

 To ask Who am I? instantly dissolves the ego to insignificance when
it simply cannot be found! This method tricks the mind by giving it a
ghost to seek when it wants to invest in an identification. And with
identification in hand, so to speak, without an object of
consciousness to assign as hey, that there is 'me,' there's a chance
then that identity itself -- as a process of the mind -- ceases, and
that's a very good thing if you ask me.

 Now, if one uses the heart to get to that doorway instead, I cannot
gripe. The heart finds the divine and swoons into to it leaving the
soul, like Japanese sandals on the doorstep, behind.

 Thorn to remove a thorn -- be an individual but only so that there's
someone to love God, yes, that works, and then, if successful, one can
remain a devotee in an ocean of unity, or one can go all the way to full
Godship -- that is, beyond God-the-manifest.

 Note that the monsters of evil, when they attacked Krishna, were
instantly enlightened -- that is, Krishna stomped them into such a mush
that identification could no longer find purchase, and they were, as if,
returned to the unmanifest -- free of all evil attachments.

 A hard path, the dark side is. -- Yoda

 As for becoming heartless due to TM not having a devotional dynamic,
h, not so much. Maybe, but not sure, cuz I work the heart in daily
life, so maybe most folks get enough exercise that way to balance TM's
lack of it.

 Edg

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@
wrote:
 
  Wow - there is a lot here - at least for me as I have been in the
process of processing my feelings/experiences with TM these last months
- I have tired also to make that point that if TM is actually as
effective why do so many people quit? Why do so many people who do TM
long term act like asses or become completely ineffective in life? Not
everyone, but a lot do.
 
  I appreciate your posting these words.
 
  I was re-reading part of Earl Kaplan's letter and want to know what
you think of this part:
 
 
  One other important point is that the mechanical repetition
  of a mantra without meaning or devotion brings no spiritual progress
  whatsoever. This point is referred to in the yoga sutras and in many
  discussions of great spiritual teachers. The mechanical repetition
of some
  meaningless word brings no opening of the heart, no love in one's
life, and no
  unfoldment of true spiritual values.
  Haven't you ever
  wondered why so many people in the TM movement seemed so heartless,
especially
  the administrators the early courses? It was because their
mechanical
  repetition of a meaningless word was actually closing their heart,
not opening
  it. That is why so many people in the TM movement have suffered a
sort of
  disassociation with so much of their life where they don't have the
same
  feelings they used to. It's not because they are more highly
evolved, it is
  because they are disconnected from their hearts.
 
  What do you think about this?
 
 
 
 
  
  From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:15 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
 
 
  Â
  What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion?
 
  Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is.
 
  And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of
TM, 44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a
nothing technique that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the
movement's leaders? If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit,
then these leaders are leaders of a movement that is offering a
technique that doesn't work -- so they're frauds -- or, as I have said:
ASSHOLES!
 
  Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise
persuaded?
 
  These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of
others, dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me
personally, so much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW.
 
  One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people
doing something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
  Who were these white trash rednecks? Did these type of people have a 
  tendency to want to become TM teachers? What makes you think types like 
  these would never enter the Movement again due to the re-certification 
  process? What was it about the process that ensured this? What makes MJ 
  someone outside of the Movement when he was clearly very much inside the 
  Movement for decades? Or is someone not part of the Movement who is not a 
  teacher? That would certainly disqualify a lot of students and meditators. 
  Or did your response just signify a knee jerk, but baseless, short diatribe 
  containing nothing but unfounded reaction? These are not rhetorical 
  questions Nab. 
 
 I want to know what you mean here.
 
 No you don't Ann. I've posted several answers to your questions before and 
 receiving only gibberish as a response, so I will not even try again.

Okee dokee.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks

[Duveyoung]

 to insignificance
when
 it simply cannot be found! This method tricks the mind by giving it a
 ghost to seek when it wants to invest in an identification. And with
 identification in hand, so to speak, without an object of
 consciousness to assign as hey, that there is 'me,' there's a chance
 then that identity itself -- as a process of the mind -- ceases, and
 that's a very good thing if you ask me.
 
  Now, if one uses the heart to get to that doorway instead, I cannot
 gripe. The heart finds the divine and swoons into to it leaving the
 soul, like Japanese sandals on the doorstep, behind.
 
  Thorn to remove a thorn -- be an individual but only so that there's
 someone to love God, yes, that works, and then, if successful, one
can
 remain a devotee in an ocean of unity, or one can go all the way to
full
 Godship -- that is, beyond God-the-manifest.
 
  Note that the monsters of evil, when they attacked Krishna, were
 instantly enlightened -- that is, Krishna stomped them into such a
mush
 that identification could no longer find purchase, and they were, as
if,
 returned to the unmanifest -- free of all evil attachments.
 
  A hard path, the dark side is. -- Yoda
 
  As for becoming heartless due to TM not having a devotional dynamic,
 h, not so much. Maybe, but not sure, cuz I work the heart in
daily
 life, so maybe most folks get enough exercise that way to balance TM's
 lack of it.
 
  Edg
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@
 wrote:
  
   Wow - there is a lot here - at least for me as I have been in the
 process of processing my feelings/experiences with TM these last
months
 - I have tired also to make that point that if TM is actually as
 effective why do so many people quit? Why do so many people who do TM
 long term act like asses or become completely ineffective in life? Not
 everyone, but a lot do.
  
   I appreciate your posting these words.
  
   I was re-reading part of Earl Kaplan's letter and want to know
what
 you think of this part:
  
  
   One other important point is that the mechanical repetition
   of a mantra without meaning or devotion brings no spiritual
progress
   whatsoever. This point is referred to in the yoga sutras and in
many
   discussions of great spiritual teachers. The mechanical repetition
 of some
   meaningless word brings no opening of the heart, no love in one's
 life, and no
   unfoldment of true spiritual values.
   Haven't you ever
   wondered why so many people in the TM movement seemed so
heartless,
 especially
   the administrators the early courses? It was because their
 mechanical
   repetition of a meaningless word was actually closing their heart,
 not opening
   it. That is why so many people in the TM movement have suffered a
 sort of
   disassociation with so much of their life where they don't have
the
 same
   feelings they used to. It's not because they are more highly
 evolved, it is
   because they are disconnected from their hearts.
  
   What do you think about this?
  
  
  
  
   
   From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:15 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin
Folks
  
  
   Â
   What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion?
  
   Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is.
  
   And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of
 TM, 44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a
 nothing technique that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the
 movement's leaders? If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit,
 then these leaders are leaders of a movement that is offering a
 technique that doesn't work -- so they're frauds -- or, as I have
said:
 ASSHOLES!
  
   Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise
 persuaded?
  
   These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of
 others, dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me
 personally, so much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW.
  
   One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people
 doing something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I
 personally walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM
 minor-leader, and he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me
to
 give him the check and leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was
chicken
 feed to him.
  
   I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions
 in net worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal
lordsnot
 even nice to their wives.
  
   It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a
person
 making $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the
 streets.like that, the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself
 real. BAH!
  
   And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and
 privilege to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et
 alia

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks

[seventhray27]

  with that opinion, but note that Ramana rejects all techniques as
  secondary compared to direct realization of the Self.
  
   To ask Who am I? instantly dissolves the ego to insignificance
 when
  it simply cannot be found! This method tricks the mind by giving it
a
  ghost to seek when it wants to invest in an identification. And with
  identification in hand, so to speak, without an object of
  consciousness to assign as hey, that there is 'me,' there's a
chance
  then that identity itself -- as a process of the mind -- ceases, and
  that's a very good thing if you ask me.
  
   Now, if one uses the heart to get to that doorway instead, I
cannot
  gripe. The heart finds the divine and swoons into to it leaving the
  soul, like Japanese sandals on the doorstep, behind.
  
   Thorn to remove a thorn -- be an individual but only so that
there's
  someone to love God, yes, that works, and then, if successful, one
 can
  remain a devotee in an ocean of unity, or one can go all the way to
 full
  Godship -- that is, beyond God-the-manifest.
  
   Note that the monsters of evil, when they attacked Krishna, were
  instantly enlightened -- that is, Krishna stomped them into such a
 mush
  that identification could no longer find purchase, and they were, as
 if,
  returned to the unmanifest -- free of all evil attachments.
  
   A hard path, the dark side is. -- Yoda
  
   As for becoming heartless due to TM not having a devotional
dynamic,
  h, not so much. Maybe, but not sure, cuz I work the heart in
 daily
  life, so maybe most folks get enough exercise that way to balance
TM's
  lack of it.
  
   Edg
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@
  wrote:
   
Wow - there is a lot here - at least for me as I have been in
the
  process of processing my feelings/experiences with TM these last
 months
  - I have tired also to make that point that if TM is actually as
  effective why do so many people quit? Why do so many people who do
TM
  long term act like asses or become completely ineffective in life?
Not
  everyone, but a lot do.
   
I appreciate your posting these words.
   
I was re-reading part of Earl Kaplan's letter and want to know
 what
  you think of this part:
   
   
One other important point is that the mechanical repetition
of a mantra without meaning or devotion brings no spiritual
 progress
whatsoever. This point is referred to in the yoga sutras and in
 many
discussions of great spiritual teachers. The mechanical
repetition
  of some
meaningless word brings no opening of the heart, no love in
one's
  life, and no
unfoldment of true spiritual values.
Haven't you ever
wondered why so many people in the TM movement seemed so
 heartless,
  especially
the administrators the early courses? It was because their
  mechanical
repetition of a meaningless word was actually closing their
heart,
  not opening
it. That is why so many people in the TM movement have suffered
a
  sort of
disassociation with so much of their life where they don't have
 the
  same
feelings they used to. It's not because they are more highly
  evolved, it is
because they are disconnected from their hearts.
   
What do you think about this?
   
   
   
   

From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:15 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin
 Folks
   
   
Â
What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion?
   
Of course I'm an asshole -- everyone is.
   
And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years
of
  TM, 44,000 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such
a
  nothing technique that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the
  movement's leaders? If I was not improved, and my opinion is for
shit,
  then these leaders are leaders of a movement that is offering a
  technique that doesn't work -- so they're frauds -- or, as I have
 said:
  ASSHOLES!
   
Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise
  persuaded?
   
These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of
  others, dismissive, and on and on. Not always, but often. Not to me
  personally, so much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW.
   
One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people
  doing something -- like a Nazi SS. Which reminds me of this time I
  personally walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM
  minor-leader, and he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me
 to
  give him the check and leave his office. Fuck, eh? The $500 was
 chicken
  feed to him.
   
I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of
millions
  in net worth each. All of them strutted around like feudal
 lordsnot
  even nice to their wives.
   
It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone. Even a
 person

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote:
 ¨
  I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky enough 
  to manage grad school and a career a bit later.  But I still get why some 
  might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the mainstream might 
  have left a mark - that they never caught up.  Especially if they are 
  disappointed about the results of TM itself. Then they lost on both counts.
 
 
 Good story. 
 Regarding those disaappointed souls, in my experience with being in these 
 settings for 40 years, they have all one thing in common; they never liked 
 sadhana in the first place. Too restless to really LIKE or even be able to 
 sit. 
 
 And now hey are bitter ? For what, because their restless nature has been 
 cruel to them ? In my experiene, the vast majority of these are simply 
 spiritually lazy. 
 
 Then ofcourse they need someone ELSE to blame.


Come, O Thou traveler unknown
Whom still I hold, but cannot see;
My company before is gone,
And I am left alone with Thee
With Thee all night I mean to stay,
And wrestle till the break of day.

In vain Thou strugglest to get free,
I never will unloose my hold;
Art Thou the Unified Field?
The secret of Thy love unfold.
Wrestling, I will not let Thee go,
Till I Thy name, Thy nature know.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote:

 You are right again! Also I do barely remember the separate 
 bathrooms and drinking fountains - there were some places 
 in the South that took a while to get rid of them - where 
 did you grow up, if I may ask?

Florida until I started school, and then Albany, 
Georgia until I was about 14. At that point, my
father became a more normal Air Force officer, 
and we started moving -- first to Morocco, then
to El Paso, TX, etc. I've been moving every year
or two (with a couple of exceptions) ever since.
It kinda gets into your blood. 

As for the South, I to this day feel grateful to
the United States Air Force for sending my father
and his family to Morocco at such a formative time
in my life. I was plunged into the Third World,
and loved every minute of it, getting a real edu-
cation in what the rest of the world was like. If
I'd grown up in the US -- especially in the South --
I might not have ever known. 


 
  From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:13 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks
  
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74 mjackson74@ wrote:
 
  snippus interruptus
  So when folks like the current version of myself come along 
  and say hey! Who IS that man behind the curtain the object 
  referral people feel their very soul identity is being 
  called into question.
  
  Some people here may find it offensive but drawing on my 
  Southern heritage, the rednecks I was raised with could not 
  imagine a world where white men were not superior to blacks. 
  As my daddy said once, you work with 'em, you tolerate 'em 
  but you don't socialize with them.
  
  Any idea of racial equality truly threatened their self 
  identity that depended on belief of whites as a superior 
  race and you could in some places I have been in the past 
  get your ass kicked for offering any other opinion on the 
  subject.
 
 I grew up in the South, too, so I can identify with 
 your metaphor. Possibly being older than you, I grew
 up in an environment in which every restaurant had
 two water fountains and four bathrooms, one set of 
 each for white and colored. 
 
 My parents -- bless them -- didn't think this way.
 They thought more along the lines that your daddy
 did, and I kinda caught their 'tude from them. I 
 was once thrown off of a city bus at age ten or so
 for wanting to sit in the back row of the bus. I 
 liked it back there; it was spacious and one could
 stretch out and enjoy oneself. But I was white. The
 back of the bus was for coloreds. 
 
 The driver literally stopped the bus, got up, walked
 back to the back of the bus and threw me off. The
 coloreds I'd been having a fine time with waved
 at me as the bus pulled away. None of the white 
 folks did. 
 
 I think the metaphor extends to spiritual traditions.
 People *get used to shit*. Whether that shit is the
 caste system in India or governors being better
 than mere meditators, it's all shit. Once they
 buy into defending the shit, they don't like being
 told that it's shit.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote:

 Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a total of 
 three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, almost 
 everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the verge, from going 
 on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0
 
 Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my TMSP - 
 read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely sum of 
 $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in mid-Winter with 
 no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the *right* posters on 
 the walls though.:-)
 
 Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key TMO 
 events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped build the 
 first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment. Attended the 
 Taste of Utopia course in DC.
 
 Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described here ad 
 nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the Govs, blatant 
 hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though thankfully, except 
 for my overall income for those three years working for the TMO, I didn't 
 lose money on many courses.
 
 So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO and 
 Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths.
 
 After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and 
 continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at the 
 time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so that any BS 
 in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of integrating myself 
 into a normal, successful worldly life.
 

I did the same as you. But, I think working for the TMO for 3 years is a lot 
less time than many people invested.  Also, for many back in the 1970's, they 
were of an age when people go to grad school, or get started in a career, begin 
to set up an adult life.  I know of a few people who felt very angry in 
retrospect, that they had spent their 20's and early 30's working for the TMO, 
only to find that they were without credentials or any savings by the time they 
decided Enuf.   Despite this, many  got on with their lives and made great 
successes of things, even if later in life.  Some did not and would have 
benefitted from a more traditional life plan. I did not see tons of young 
Indians spending their 20's and 30's working for little compensation for the 
TMO.  That would not have been ok with Indian parents, tradition or values.  I 
think one of the problems was that the Westerners tried to have a foot in each 
camp: householder and devotee, and they often ended up without funds or 
experience to manage much in the real world as well as lost faith in the guru.  

I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky enough to 
manage grad school and a career a bit later.  But I still get why some might 
feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the mainstream might have left a 
mark - that they never caught up.  Especially if they are disappointed about 
the results of TM itself. Then they lost on both counts.

 If someone still feels the need to vent about their TMO experiences, and trot 
 out the same old tired stories and accusations, they can go ahead, but when 
 they say stuff like this, they *still* sound kinda dumb: :-)
 
 The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any 
 other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history. 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
 
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
  
   The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than 
   any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history.
   
   this makes you sound kinda dumb...just sayin'...
  
  Not dumb, dear Doctor. Here is the key thing. Many people who appear the 
  most bitter are those who spent the most time, invested much of themselves, 
  in the Movement whether it was in in the form of years, sweat, dedication 
  or belief. This was a cost on some level. When someone has put so much of 
  themselves into something and found it, in the end, wanting it seems to me 
  natural that there is disappointment, bitterness, a foundation for 
  defining/revealing, what went wrong. It is never a valid excuse that 
  something isn't wrong because it happens all the time. Frequency of 
  transgression does not override the seriousness of it.
   
 snip

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks

[Richard J. Williams]

Duveyoung:
 I know two of the Rajas -- worked for one for two years, 
 knew the other via pot-lucks.  Both millionaires AT BIRTH 
 -- both assholesmean assholeshaughty, rude 
 motherfucking assholes.

You're an asshole for posting this. What was it, the the 
money? LoL!

 Did I make myself clear?  I don't know about the others.
 
SNIP

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote:

 http://youtu.be/3sqA--t9XZY

Perfect and thank you Raunch. Since I am not a TV watcher I have failed to ever 
see Project Runway but one big difference between the lady with the popcorn 
stuck to her hip and lightbulbs and cardboard festooned all over he body is 
that she isn't calling herself a Raja. I think that makes all the difference.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Oh c'mon, Have you *watched* Project Runway?!!? Makes this cat look like 
  a boy scout...
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
  
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
   
   

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
 
  I know two of the Rajas -- worked for one for two years, knew the
   other via pot-lucks.  Both millionaires AT BIRTH -- ¨
   
Oh dear, BY BIRTH ?? AND devotees of a Saint ??? Assholes, no doubt 
   about it !!
   OK but what self-respecting person (are all Rajas men?!?!?! If so that
   could explain a few things) would be willing to go around dressed like
   THIS? To me, this says it all.
   
   
   
   
   
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:

 Oh c'mon, Have you *watched* Project Runway?!!? Makes this cat look
like a boy scout...
I like the Boy Scout's hat better.



 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
  
  
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:

 I know two of the Rajas -- worked for one for two years, knew
the
  other via pot-lucks.  Both millionaires AT BIRTH -- ¨
  
   Oh dear, BY BIRTH ?? AND devotees of a Saint ??? Assholes, no
doubt
  about it !!
  OK but what self-respecting person (are all Rajas men?!?!?! If so
that
  could explain a few things) would be willing to go around dressed
like
  THIS? To me, this says it all.
 
 
 
 
  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks

[Duveyoung]

What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion?  

Of course I'm an asshole  -- everyone is.

And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, 44,000 
hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a nothing technique 
that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders?  If I was not 
improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are leaders of a 
movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so they're frauds -- 
or, as I have said:  ASSHOLES!  

Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded?  

These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, 
dismissive, and on and on.  Not always, but often.  Not to me personally, so 
much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW.

One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing 
something -- like a Nazi SS.  Which reminds me of this time I personally walked 
over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, and he too 
perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the check and leave his 
office.  Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him.

I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net worth 
each.  All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even nice to their 
wives.  

It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone.  Even a person making 
$30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the streets.like that, 
the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself real.  BAH!

And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and privilege to 
the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et alia.  

This was two decades ago -- who knows, I  have gotten better as a human in 
that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to sand 
down a lot of their rough spots.  Humility can come in an instant, so who knows 
what they've evolved into by now.  The acid test is what they do with their 
money and how they treat their minions.  

And those who are rich and fight to remain decent human beings are as if 
funneled into their personalities by dint of the movement's impoverished masses 
who relentlessly beg from the rich for loans, gifts, and investment in gonzo 
business deals.  And the movement is knocking on their door for more cash 
EVERY. DAY.  Shit, even I get asked for donations by the TMO at least ten times 
a year.  Simply trying to avoid all that rush for their gold turns the rich 
into fear-everyone types, and it shows when you try to approach the rich with 
anything but hey, try the bean casserole.  They smell your beggary from 100 
feet away.  So, on that level, I pity them, because they are always hiding out 
from the masses, and having to have only people like them to hob nob with.  
Vicious cycle that.  

Now-a-days, mostly I see TM as a scam.  The technique probably can be used to 
good effect, but what that is and how it compares to other techniques is just 
not clear.  I'm all for anything that lessens physiological excitation, but I 
could rattle of a hundred ways to obtain that.  

I like the idea of the Holy Tradition, but where was it ever  honored?  
Maharishi FORBID any translation of Guru Dev's words, right?  Ask L.B., right?  
The movement has never NEVER NEVER wanted us to have intellectual clarity -- 
tried to keep us all as blind true believers and avoid any discussion of the 
fine points or the truths about the mantras, Guru Dev's money/death, and on and 
on -- we all know the ways the movement didn't respect us or grant us any right 
to know about most of the movement's machinations. 

Here's one symbolic moment for me:  on teacher training, Maharishi had a 
meeting that was sort of thrown together quickly in a very small venue and it 
turned out that people could sit right next to Maharishi, maybe only a 100 
people in the room.  This rich guy planks his ass down right next to Maharishi, 
and picks up Maharishi's hand and holds it! -- instead of listening he 
interrupted Maharishi several times to add his opinion to the words of 
Maharishi.   

Maharishi didn't even twitch, and none of his body guards did either -- they 
knew the master was working the guy up to get a big gift to the movement, ya 
see?  Up until the time, the only person I knew who'd ever touched Maharishi 
was Tat Walla Baba.  

If I had planked my ass down before that rich guy, I would have been sent home 
FOR FUCKING EVER for not knowing my place.

And, yes, after that instance, I gave two more decades to the movement -- which 
means I was not only an asshole, but a mindful toady asshole.  

And that's the cause of all this bitterness you see in my writings -- I did 
this to me.  100% on me, but if anyone here wants to defend the TMO as 
guilt-free because everyone has their integrity and has to own their own 
karma, so we get to maraud others with fake science, lies, lies and more lies, 
then I'm probably going to piss 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote:
¨
 I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky enough 
 to manage grad school and a career a bit later.  But I still get why some 
 might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the mainstream might have 
 left a mark - that they never caught up.  Especially if they are disappointed 
 about the results of TM itself. Then they lost on both counts.


Good story. 
Regarding those disaappointed souls, in my experience with being in these 
settings for 40 years, they have all one thing in common; they never liked 
sadhana in the first place. Too restless to really LIKE or even be able to sit. 

And now hey are bitter ? For what, because their restless nature has been cruel 
to them ? In my experiene, the vast majority of these are simply spiritually 
lazy. 

Then ofcourse they need someone ELSE to blame.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote:

 What, Richard, what? I don't get to express an opinion?  
 
 Of course I'm an asshole  -- everyone is.
 
 And remember these opinions are from a brain that did 30 years of TM, 44,000 
 hours in the chair, 2,000 taught -- how could TM be such a nothing 
 technique that it didn't even dent my revulsion of the movement's leaders?  
 If I was not improved, and my opinion is for shit, then these leaders are 
 leaders of a movement that is offering a technique that doesn't work -- so 
 they're frauds -- or, as I have said:  ASSHOLES!  
 
 Who doesn't think their thoughts are legit until otherwise persuaded?  
 
 These Rajas were snobby, prideful, uncaring about the rights of others, 
 dismissive, and on and on.  Not always, but often.  Not to me personally, so 
 much. as it was to EVERY. ONE. THEY. KNEW.
 
 One of these guys was fond of snapping his fingers to get people doing 
 something -- like a Nazi SS.  Which reminds me of this time I personally 
 walked over and handed a check for $500 to yet another TM minor-leader, and 
 he too perfunctorily snapped his fingers to get me to give him the check and 
 leave his office.  Fuck, eh? The $500 was chicken feed to him.
 
 I've know six of the movement's super-rich -- hundreds of millions in net 
 worth each.  All of them strutted around like feudal lordsnot even nice 
 to their wives.  
 
 It's the money -- it corrupts..corrupts everyone.  Even a person making 
 $30,000 a year looks down on a homeless person in the streets.like that, 
 the ego glues itself to symbols to make itself real.  BAH!
 
 And double BAH! on the movement for offering position, access and privilege 
 to the rich -- so that they could be milked dry by Girish et alia.  
 
 This was two decades ago -- who knows, I  have gotten better as a human in 
 that time, so certainly they will have been smacked enough by karma to sand 
 down a lot of their rough spots.  Humility can come in an instant, so who 
 knows what they've evolved into by now.  The acid test is what they do with 
 their money and how they treat their minions.  
 
 And those who are rich and fight to remain decent human beings are as if 
 funneled into their personalities by dint of the movement's impoverished 
 masses who relentlessly beg from the rich for loans, gifts, and investment in 
 gonzo business deals.  And the movement is knocking on their door for more 
 cash EVERY. DAY.  Shit, even I get asked for donations by the TMO at least 
 ten times a year.  Simply trying to avoid all that rush for their gold turns 
 the rich into fear-everyone types, and it shows when you try to approach the 
 rich with anything but hey, try the bean casserole.  They smell your 
 beggary from 100 feet away.  So, on that level, I pity them, because they are 
 always hiding out from the masses, and having to have only people like them 
 to hob nob with.  Vicious cycle that.  
 
 Now-a-days, mostly I see TM as a scam.  The technique probably can be used to 
 good effect, but what that is and how it compares to other techniques is just 
 not clear.  I'm all for anything that lessens physiological excitation, but I 
 could rattle of a hundred ways to obtain that.  
 
 I like the idea of the Holy Tradition, but where was it ever  honored?  
 Maharishi FORBID any translation of Guru Dev's words, right?  Ask L.B., 
 right?  The movement has never NEVER NEVER wanted us to have intellectual 
 clarity -- tried to keep us all as blind true believers and avoid any 
 discussion of the fine points or the truths about the mantras, Guru Dev's 
 money/death, and on and on -- we all know the ways the movement didn't 
 respect us or grant us any right to know about most of the movement's 
 machinations. 
 
 Here's one symbolic moment for me:  on teacher training, Maharishi had a 
 meeting that was sort of thrown together quickly in a very small venue and 
 it turned out that people could sit right next to Maharishi, maybe only a 100 
 people in the room.  This rich guy planks his ass down right next to 
 Maharishi, and picks up Maharishi's hand and holds it! -- instead of 
 listening he interrupted Maharishi several times to add his opinion to the 
 words of Maharishi.   
 
 Maharishi didn't even twitch, and none of his body guards did either -- they 
 knew the master was working the guy up to get a big gift to the movement, ya 
 see?  Up until the time, the only person I knew who'd ever touched Maharishi 
 was Tat Walla Baba.  
 
 If I had planked my ass down before that rich guy, I would have been sent 
 home FOR FUCKING EVER for not knowing my place.
 
 And, yes, after that instance, I gave two more decades to the movement -- 
 which means I was not only an asshole, but a mindful toady asshole.  
 
 And that's the cause of all this bitterness you see in my writings -- I did 
 this to me.  100% on me,

I guess there is lots of psycho talk about how in some amazing way we are 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth for Marshy's Kin Folks

[doctordumbass]

I agree.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote:

 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Hi WB, I know that, also - I worked for the TM guys, on staff, for a total 
  of three years, and bought into *everything*. Everything. Well, almost 
  everything...my guardian angels stopped me literally on the verge, from 
  going on TTC - it wouldn't have been pretty.:-0
  
  Working for the TMO, I went on tons of residence courses, earned my TMSP - 
  read the Gita numerous times, took SCI - and earned the princely sum of 
  $25/mo., slept in an unheated garage, or a run down shack in mid-Winter 
  with no plumbing - in the Midwest and Catskills. Had all the *right* 
  posters on the walls though.:-)
  
  Continued TMSP for 13 years, and TM since 1975. Took part in some key TMO 
  events - attended Doug Henning's second wedding in the Dome, helped build 
  the first dome, helped build a Capital of the Age of Enlightenment. 
  Attended the Taste of Utopia course in DC.
  
  Got screwed in many of the same ways as have been already described here ad 
  nauseum - Experienced loss of course credit, arrogance of the Govs, blatant 
  hypocrisy, pitiful living and working conditions, though thankfully, except 
  for my overall income for those three years working for the TMO, I didn't 
  lose money on many courses.
  
  So, I just don't know what the standard is for investment in the TMO and 
  Maharishi, that continues to leave a bitter taste in so many mouths.
  
  After I left in the early 80's, I continued to pursue my own stuff, and 
  continued to carefully peel away the BS from whatever my truth was at the 
  time, and now. Got immersed in the world, family and career, so that any BS 
  in the TMO continued to burn itself out, in the course of integrating 
  myself into a normal, successful worldly life.
  
 
 I did the same as you. But, I think working for the TMO for 3 years is a lot 
 less time than many people invested.  Also, for many back in the 1970's, they 
 were of an age when people go to grad school, or get started in a career, 
 begin to set up an adult life.  I know of a few people who felt very angry in 
 retrospect, that they had spent their 20's and early 30's working for the 
 TMO, only to find that they were without credentials or any savings by the 
 time they decided Enuf.   Despite this, many  got on with their lives and 
 made great successes of things, even if later in life.  Some did not and 
 would have benefitted from a more traditional life plan. I did not see tons 
 of young Indians spending their 20's and 30's working for little compensation 
 for the TMO.  That would not have been ok with Indian parents, tradition or 
 values.  I think one of the problems was that the Westerners tried to have a 
 foot in each camp: householder and devotee, and they often ended up without 
 funds or experience to manage much in the real world as well as lost faith in 
 the guru.  
 
 I feel really grateful for TM and all my time in it, and I was lucky enough 
 to manage grad school and a career a bit later.  But I still get why some 
 might feel that taking a large chunk of time out of the mainstream might have 
 left a mark - that they never caught up.  Especially if they are disappointed 
 about the results of TM itself. Then they lost on both counts.
 
  If someone still feels the need to vent about their TMO experiences, and 
  trot out the same old tired stories and accusations, they can go ahead, but 
  when they say stuff like this, they *still* sound kinda dumb: :-)
  
  The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than any 
  other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history. 
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote:
  
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote:
   
The TMO is in my opinion no more corrupt and awful (and no less) than 
any other spiritual organization or religion or cult in human history.

this makes you sound kinda dumb...just sayin'...
   
   Not dumb, dear Doctor. Here is the key thing. Many people who appear the 
   most bitter are those who spent the most time, invested much of 
   themselves, in the Movement whether it was in in the form of years, 
   sweat, dedication or belief. This was a cost on some level. When someone 
   has put so much of themselves into something and found it, in the end, 
   wanting it seems to me natural that there is disappointment, bitterness, 
   a foundation for defining/revealing, what went wrong. It is never a valid 
   excuse that something isn't wrong because it happens all the time. 
   Frequency of transgression does not override the seriousness of it.

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