subject:"\[FairfieldLife\] Re\: So what have we learned from the pundit riots\?"

He is simply too gleeful over others' misfortunes - it is ugly and coarse, to 
me. As for the DL, yes, very much a worthless non-entity at this point, though 
as I have said, a very, very nice man. And nice and five bucks gets you a cup 
of coffee.:-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Now that it's clear that his hero the Lama-fellow is a complete disaster and 
has given up Tibet once and for all and is permanently seeking protection 
amongst the Hindus in India his frustration needs a focus.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 I am kind of embarrassed for him, actually, the way he is going on and on, and 
on, about the pundit piddle. I would get it, if he were Iowanese, or even, 
Wisconsinian, but the dude lives in E-fucking-u-rope. He is a little too worked 
up about it, being that far away, and his desperation is creeping me out.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 
 From: LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
 
 
   The MUM/TMO administration obviously feels that it has the basic right to 
discipline human beings who work for the princely sum of $50 per month (with 
*maybe* another $150 going to their families) to force them to practice TM and 
do what they're told. They even issued a press release saying that more such 
discipline is planned. 

 

 

 Well, they get room and board as well, and their contract, as far as I know, 
is to come to the USA and meditate and perform chants/rituals in exchange for 
room, board, and $200/month.
 

 If they're not keeping to the contract, the TM organization is under no 
obligation to keep them around and pay them.
 

 Or do you honestly believe that they should be kept here in the USA  even 
though they aren't fulfilling the terms of their contract?
 

 If you DO honestly think that they should be paid to sit around and do nothing 
at all, when there are likely plenty of people back in India willing to come 
take their place, I'm quite interested in hearing your reasoning...
 

 
Lawson, this is not the first time I have had occasion to question your sanity. 
Are you really trying to make a case that these pundits, most of whom were 
*sold* into indentured servitude by their parents as pre-teens (according to 
previous news reports, as early as age 8) have entered into a contract with 
the TMO and Girish  Co. 

To have compassion for the parents, the previous news reports have established 
that most of them were dirt-poor and unable to provide for their children, much 
less provide an education for them. They were promised, in addition to a 
monthly income of $150 for themselves (the average monthly income in India is 
$99) and room and board + $50 a month for the kids, an *education* for their 
kids, which *has not been provided*. No evidence has been presented to 
counteract the claims from pundits themselves that the *only* things taught to 
them were how to perform the chants. 

Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold into 
slavery by their own parents have an obligation to fulfill their contract? 

Even if you *are* trying to make this case, I'd like to hear you explain why 
they *wouldn't* practice TM. If it's as great as you've been claiming it is all 
these years, why aren't they *anxious* to sit and meditate twice a day and 
experience all that clarity and bliss? I'll wait for your answer. 

As for plenty of people back in India willing to come take their place, thank 
you for establishing your credentials as a potential slave master yourself, 
willing to exploit young brown boys to create world peace for you. 

Reposting the Carl Sagan quote, because you -- more than almost anyone on this 
forum except for maybe Nabby -- personify it. Even *feste*, whose devotion to 
TM has never been in question, has been able to wake up and smell the coffee as 
the result of this sad demonstration of the ineffectiveness of the pundit 
program. Why haven't you? Have you got an explanation for this *other* than Mr. 
Sagan's quote?

 
 Another beautiful example why Bawwy is a social misfit, someone who dismisses 
anyone else who dare question his idiotic and mostly odious theories on how 
others operate. It is like Bawwy is deathly afraid to engage one on one without 
first getting out his protective suit of armour in the form of gratuitous, 
verbal violence. Take your Facebook graphics and go play somewhere else, 
jackass. Lawson is too smart for you anyway.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-14 Thread authfriend

Barry's all manic and overstimulated because this is something new he can use 
to beat up on the TMO and TMers, rather than having to keep recycling all the 
old stuff. Same deal awhile back when it was revealed that King Tony was 
married. 

 

 He is simply too gleeful over others' misfortunes - it is ugly and coarse, to 
me. As for the DL, yes, very much a worthless non-entity at this point, though 
as I have said, a very, very nice man. And nice and five bucks gets you a cup 
of coffee.:-) 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Now that it's clear that his hero the Lama-fellow is a complete disaster and 
has given up Tibet once and for all and is permanently seeking protection 
amongst the Hindus in India his frustration needs a focus.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 I am kind of embarrassed for him, actually, the way he is going on and on, and 
on, about the pundit piddle. I would get it, if he were Iowanese, or even, 
Wisconsinian, but the dude lives in E-fucking-u-rope. He is a little too worked 
up about it, being that far away, and his desperation is creeping me out.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?


On 3/14/2014 7:46 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
Barry's all manic and overstimulated because this is something 
/new/ he can use to beat up on the TMO and TMers, rather than having 
to keep recycling all the old stuff. Same deal awhile back when it was 
revealed that King Tony was married.


It's like I can almost read Barry's mind and what he will post next in 
order to get back at the TMers for kicking him out of the TMO.


I've been reading his messages since about 1996 when he used to post as 
Shoki and I can tell you, this guy seems to have made about ZERO 
progress on a spiritual path. Barry is one of the best examples of 
cognitive dissonance I've ever encountered on discussion groups. Really, 
Barry would do much better posting to TM-Free with John Knapp - I think 
his target audience is over there. Apparently


Barry doesn't even realize that the termpundit means a Hindu - 
Chanter of the Vedic Sacrifice. Go figure.


Dictionary of Hinduism
Its Mythology, Folklore, Philosophy, Literature, and History
By M. and J. Stutley
Harper  Row, 1977
p. 282

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-14 Thread LEnglish5

As far as I know,they're allowed to go back to India whenever they want. 

 However, they are then in violation of their contract. I don't know what the 
details of that contract are. I have heard 2 conflicting stories:
 

 They get paid room, board and $50/month while here and
 

 either  their families  get another $150 per month while they live her OR $150 
per month is deposited in a bank account to be paid at the end of their tour as 
a guarantee of good behavior.
 

 either one might be true, or it might be that the payment plan started out one 
way, and ended up the other (or even: some pandits have one deal currently, 
while others have a different deal).
 

 There are so many accusations about Girish Varma's misbehavior back in India, 
it is impossible to be sure what is what without actually being the person in 
charge of the finances back in India.
 

 

 L

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-14 Thread Rick Archer

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On 
Behalf Of pundits...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 4:07 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

What I am commenting on is your crazy-eyed cultist outlook - do you seriously 
think those folks up in Vedic City would be party to kidnapping and holding 
Indian children in forced labor camps? If so, that's an insult to people like 
Rick and Alex who live up there! Don't you think they would tell us if 
something like that was going on? Have you gone out of your mind or what, 
Barry? Go figure.

I don’t live up there. I live on the south side of the tracks. Alex, OTOH, can 
smell the Kool-Aid from his house.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

On 3/14/2014 3:38 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
 Now that it's clear that his hero the Lama-fellow is a complete 
 disaster and has given up Tibet once and for all and is permanently 
 seeking protection amongst the Hindus in India his frustration needs a 
 focus.
 
Never pass up a tragedy or a disaster in order to win a religious 
debate. Go figure.

If you approve of the communist Chinese taking over Tibet, you probably 
won't have any objection to the Russians taking over Ukraine. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-14 Thread TurquoiseBee

From: Rick Archer r...@searchsummit.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 4:03 PM
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

On Behalf Of pundits...@gmail.com

What I am commenting on is your crazy-eyed cultist outlook - do you seriously 
think those folks up in Vedic City would be party to kidnapping and holding 
Indian children in forced labor camps? If so, that's an insult to people like 
Rick and Alex who live up there! Don't you think they would tell us if 
something like that was going on? Have you gone out of your mind or what, 
Barry? Go figure.

I don’t live up there. I live on the south side of the tracks. Alex, OTOH, can 
smell the Kool-Aid from his house.
Best one-liner posted here in quite some time. Real LOL material, Rick!  :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

*icky*.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :

 Barry's all manic and overstimulated because this is something new he can use 
to beat up on the TMO and TMers, rather than having to keep recycling all the 
old stuff. Same deal awhile back when it was revealed that King Tony was 
married. 

 

 He is simply too gleeful over others' misfortunes - it is ugly and coarse, to 
me. As for the DL, yes, very much a worthless non-entity at this point, though 
as I have said, a very, very nice man. And nice and five bucks gets you a cup 
of coffee.:-) 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Now that it's clear that his hero the Lama-fellow is a complete disaster and 
has given up Tibet once and for all and is permanently seeking protection 
amongst the Hindus in India his frustration needs a focus.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 I am kind of embarrassed for him, actually, the way he is going on and on, and 
on, about the pundit piddle. I would get it, if he were Iowanese, or even, 
Wisconsinian, but the dude lives in E-fucking-u-rope. He is a little too worked 
up about it, being that far away, and his desperation is creeping me out.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-14 Thread Share Long

Richard, just because they don't want to go back to India, doesn't mean they 
want to continue being a pundit! Where is Spock when we need him?!

I don't think the pundits have any contact with MUM any more. When the program 
started, they lived on campus. But not for quite a while now.

That's right, no one is putting a gun to anyone's head. But we must have higher 
standards than that for a program meant to create world peace! Of course, imho 
(-:




On Friday, March 14, 2014 10:43 AM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 
  
On 3/13/2014 9:27 PM, Share Long wrote:
 To force someone to be in a program to create world peace is a 
 contradiction in terms! 

Apparently all the students and their parents think MUM is a good thing.

We are all trying to promote world peace. There doesn't seem to be any 
evidence that anyone is being forced to send their children to a private 
school in the U.S. and none of the school boys have lodged any 
complaints that I know of. A few apparently didn't want to go back to 
India! If anyone was forced to stay, why would they not want to go back 
home? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the tenth year of 
operation for the pundit boy campus? The only complaints I've heard 
about MUM have come from MJ who wasn't even a student at MIU or MUM. Go 
figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

On 3/13/2014 9:27 PM, Share Long wrote:
 To force someone to be in a program to create world peace is a 
 contradiction in terms! 
 
Apparently all the students and their parents think MUM is a good thing.

We are all trying to promote world peace. There doesn't seem to be any 
evidence that anyone is being forced to send their children to a private 
school in the U.S. and none of the school boys have lodged any 
complaints that I know of. A few apparently didn't want to go back to 
India! If anyone was forced to stay, why would they not want to go back 
home? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the tenth year of 
operation for the pundit boy campus? The only complaints I've heard 
about MUM have come from MJ who wasn't even a student at MIU or MUM. Go 
figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

Share, do you believe that the program is working to create world peace?  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Richard, just because they don't want to go back to India, doesn't mean they 
want to continue being a pundit! Where is Spock when we need him?!
 

 I don't think the pundits have any contact with MUM any more. When the program 
started, they lived on campus. But not for quite a while now.
 

 That's right, no one is putting a gun to anyone's head. But we must have 
higher standards than that for a program meant to create world peace! Of 
course, imho (-:

 
 
 On Friday, March 14, 2014 10:43 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote:
 
   On 3/13/2014 9:27 PM, Share Long wrote:
  To force someone to be in a program to create world peace is a 
  contradiction in terms! 
 
 Apparently all the students and their parents think MUM is a good thing.
 
 We are all trying to promote world peace. There doesn't seem to be any 
 evidence that anyone is being forced to send their children to a private 
 school in the U.S. and none of the school boys have lodged any 
 complaints that I know of. A few apparently didn't want to go back to 
 India! If anyone was forced to stay, why would they not want to go back 
 home? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the tenth year of 
 operation for the pundit boy campus? The only complaints I've heard 
 about MUM have come from MJ who wasn't even a student at MIU or MUM. Go 
 figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

Richard, you are delusional today.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 3/13/2014 9:27 PM, Share Long wrote:
  To force someone to be in a program to create world peace is a 
  contradiction in terms! 
 
 Apparently all the students and their parents think MUM is a good thing.
 
 We are all trying to promote world peace. There doesn't seem to be any 
 evidence that anyone is being forced to send their children to a private 
 school in the U.S. and none of the school boys have lodged any 
 complaints that I know of. A few apparently didn't want to go back to 
 India! If anyone was forced to stay, why would they not want to go back 
 home? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the tenth year of 
 operation for the pundit boy campus? The only complaints I've heard 
 about MUM have come from MJ who wasn't even a student at MIU or MUM. Go 
 figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-14 Thread Share Long

No, Emily I don't. And from what I've learned here the last few days I think 
the reason is that some of the men don't want to be pundits. I mean really, how 
much peace can a person create if they're engaged in a program they don't want 
to be engaged in?! Especially one as rigorous as the pundit program. Such rigor 
requires a person to really want to be engaged in such imo.  

There's a flaw in the core of the program and it needs to be discontinued, then 
restarted, but only with men and or boys who really want to be a part of that 
program. 





On Friday, March 14, 2014 10:51 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com 
emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Share, do you believe that the program is working to create world peace?  



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :


Richard, just because they don't want to go back to India, doesn't mean they 
want to continue being a pundit! Where is Spock when we need him?!

I don't think the pundits have any contact with MUM any more. When the program 
started, they lived on campus. But not for quite a while now.

That's right, no one is putting a gun to anyone's head. But we must have higher 
standards than that for a program meant to create world peace! Of course, imho 
(-:




On Friday, March 14, 2014 10:43 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote:

 
On 3/13/2014 9:27 PM, Share Long wrote:
 To force someone to be in a program to create world peace is a 
 contradiction in terms! 

Apparently all the students and their parents think MUM is a good thing.

We are all trying to promote world peace. There doesn't seem to be any 
evidence that anyone is being forced to send their children to a private 
school in the U.S. and none of the school boys have lodged any 
complaints that I know of. A few apparently didn't want to go back to 
India! If anyone was forced to stay, why would they not want to go back 
home? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the tenth year of 
operation for the pundit boy campus? The only complaints I've heard 
about MUM have come from MJ who wasn't even a student at MIU or MUM. Go 
figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

On 3/14/2014 10:49 AM, Share Long wrote:
 just because they don't want to go back to India, doesn't mean they 
 want to continue being a pundit!
 
According to my sources in Vedic City, none of the pundit boys have any 
objections to becoming Hindu pundits, but a few didn't want to go back 
to India, but their visa expired. It's not complicated.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

Please allow me to butt in -- Quite honestly Em, I do. Not that world peace 
necessarily dawns, but what they are doing, is *definitely* aiding the ability 
of those who are so inclined, to achieve spiritual liberation. Get enough 
spiritually clear folks on the planet, and we might make it a few more 
generations. Trying to get that ball of collective consciousness rolling in the 
other direction. No, I have absolutely NO PROOF of this, nor is it something I 
spend even five seconds per month thinking about.:-)
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :

 Share, do you believe that the program is working to create world peace?  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Richard, just because they don't want to go back to India, doesn't mean they 
want to continue being a pundit! Where is Spock when we need him?!
 

 I don't think the pundits have any contact with MUM any more. When the program 
started, they lived on campus. But not for quite a while now.
 

 That's right, no one is putting a gun to anyone's head. But we must have 
higher standards than that for a program meant to create world peace! Of 
course, imho (-:

 
 
 On Friday, March 14, 2014 10:43 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote:
 
   On 3/13/2014 9:27 PM, Share Long wrote:
  To force someone to be in a program to create world peace is a 
  contradiction in terms! 
 
 Apparently all the students and their parents think MUM is a good thing.
 
 We are all trying to promote world peace. There doesn't seem to be any 
 evidence that anyone is being forced to send their children to a private 
 school in the U.S. and none of the school boys have lodged any 
 complaints that I know of. A few apparently didn't want to go back to 
 India! If anyone was forced to stay, why would they not want to go back 
 home? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the tenth year of 
 operation for the pundit boy campus? The only complaints I've heard 
 about MUM have come from MJ who wasn't even a student at MIU or MUM. Go 
 figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?


 Spiritual liberation is for the most part an inside job, imo.  How are they 
aiding the ability of others so inclined?  I am inclined, for example to desire 
such a thing.  How are they helping me?  (I have an answer to my own question, 
but I am curious as to your answer.) By example?  Because you honestly believe 
the hundreds of 20+ year olds are raising the collective consciousness of the 
world, sitting and chanting there in their barbed wire compound day after day 
after day, filled with apparent frustration (at least on that one day), perhaps 
sublimating many ordinary, normal and larger desires that 20-year olds have?  
(Think of your own child.  I think of mine.  She is about educating 
herself- academically, with respect to her relationship to nature/world, 
learning of people and beliefs through interaction with other human beings, 
exploring her own curiosities, her own desire for adventure, etc.)
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Please allow me to butt in -- Quite honestly Em, I do. Not that world peace 
necessarily dawns, but what they are doing, is *definitely* aiding the ability 
of those who are so inclined, to achieve spiritual liberation. Get enough 
spiritually clear folks on the planet, and we might make it a few more 
generations. Trying to get that ball of collective consciousness rolling in the 
other direction. No, I have absolutely NO PROOF of this, nor is it something I 
spend even five seconds per month thinking about.:-)
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :

 Share, do you believe that the program is working to create world peace?  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Richard, just because they don't want to go back to India, doesn't mean they 
want to continue being a pundit! Where is Spock when we need him?!
 

 I don't think the pundits have any contact with MUM any more. When the program 
started, they lived on campus. But not for quite a while now.
 

 That's right, no one is putting a gun to anyone's head. But we must have 
higher standards than that for a program meant to create world peace! Of 
course, imho (-:

 
 
 On Friday, March 14, 2014 10:43 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote:
 
   On 3/13/2014 9:27 PM, Share Long wrote:
  To force someone to be in a program to create world peace is a 
  contradiction in terms! 
 
 Apparently all the students and their parents think MUM is a good thing.
 
 We are all trying to promote world peace. There doesn't seem to be any 
 evidence that anyone is being forced to send their children to a private 
 school in the U.S. and none of the school boys have lodged any 
 complaints that I know of. A few apparently didn't want to go back to 
 India! If anyone was forced to stay, why would they not want to go back 
 home? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the tenth year of 
 operation for the pundit boy campus? The only complaints I've heard 
 about MUM have come from MJ who wasn't even a student at MIU or MUM. Go 
 figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

I got nuttin' - sorry. I just know it works.:-) Brand me as you will, makes no 
diff. Like I said, I never give it much thought. No big deal, either way...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :

 
 Spiritual liberation is for the most part an inside job, imo.  How are they 
aiding the ability of others so inclined?  I am inclined, for example to desire 
such a thing.  How are they helping me?  (I have an answer to my own question, 
but I am curious as to your answer.) By example?  Because you honestly believe 
the hundreds of 20+ year olds are raising the collective consciousness of the 
world, sitting and chanting there in their barbed wire compound day after day 
after day, filled with apparent frustration (at least on that one day), perhaps 
sublimating many ordinary, normal and larger desires that 20-year olds have?  
(Think of your own child.  I think of mine.  She is about educating 
herself- academically, with respect to her relationship to nature/world, 
learning of people and beliefs through interaction with other human beings, 
exploring her own curiosities, her own desire for adventure, etc.)
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Please allow me to butt in -- Quite honestly Em, I do. Not that world peace 
necessarily dawns, but what they are doing, is *definitely* aiding the ability 
of those who are so inclined, to achieve spiritual liberation. Get enough 
spiritually clear folks on the planet, and we might make it a few more 
generations. Trying to get that ball of collective consciousness rolling in the 
other direction. No, I have absolutely NO PROOF of this, nor is it something I 
spend even five seconds per month thinking about.:-)
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :

 Share, do you believe that the program is working to create world peace?  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Richard, just because they don't want to go back to India, doesn't mean they 
want to continue being a pundit! Where is Spock when we need him?!
 

 I don't think the pundits have any contact with MUM any more. When the program 
started, they lived on campus. But not for quite a while now.
 

 That's right, no one is putting a gun to anyone's head. But we must have 
higher standards than that for a program meant to create world peace! Of 
course, imho (-:

 
 
 On Friday, March 14, 2014 10:43 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote:
 
   On 3/13/2014 9:27 PM, Share Long wrote:
  To force someone to be in a program to create world peace is a 
  contradiction in terms! 
 
 Apparently all the students and their parents think MUM is a good thing.
 
 We are all trying to promote world peace. There doesn't seem to be any 
 evidence that anyone is being forced to send their children to a private 
 school in the U.S. and none of the school boys have lodged any 
 complaints that I know of. A few apparently didn't want to go back to 
 India! If anyone was forced to stay, why would they not want to go back 
 home? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the tenth year of 
 operation for the pundit boy campus? The only complaints I've heard 
 about MUM have come from MJ who wasn't even a student at MIU or MUM. Go 
 figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?


 I'm not branding you Docthat's funny.  Just curious if you had anything 
else to say.  Many believe that prayer worksalthough one doesn't always get 
what one prays for.  Nothing wrong with believing it; nothing wrong with 
prayerit's an inside job.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 I got nuttin' - sorry. I just know it works.:-) Brand me as you will, makes no 
diff. Like I said, I never give it much thought. No big deal, either way...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :

 
 Spiritual liberation is for the most part an inside job, imo.  How are they 
aiding the ability of others so inclined?  I am inclined, for example to desire 
such a thing.  How are they helping me?  (I have an answer to my own question, 
but I am curious as to your answer.) By example?  Because you honestly believe 
the hundreds of 20+ year olds are raising the collective consciousness of the 
world, sitting and chanting there in their barbed wire compound day after day 
after day, filled with apparent frustration (at least on that one day), perhaps 
sublimating many ordinary, normal and larger desires that 20-year olds have?  
(Think of your own child.  I think of mine.  She is about educating 
herself- academically, with respect to her relationship to nature/world, 
learning of people and beliefs through interaction with other human beings, 
exploring her own curiosities, her own desire for adventure, etc.)
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Please allow me to butt in -- Quite honestly Em, I do. Not that world peace 
necessarily dawns, but what they are doing, is *definitely* aiding the ability 
of those who are so inclined, to achieve spiritual liberation. Get enough 
spiritually clear folks on the planet, and we might make it a few more 
generations. Trying to get that ball of collective consciousness rolling in the 
other direction. No, I have absolutely NO PROOF of this, nor is it something I 
spend even five seconds per month thinking about.:-)
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :

 Share, do you believe that the program is working to create world peace?  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Richard, just because they don't want to go back to India, doesn't mean they 
want to continue being a pundit! Where is Spock when we need him?!
 

 I don't think the pundits have any contact with MUM any more. When the program 
started, they lived on campus. But not for quite a while now.
 

 That's right, no one is putting a gun to anyone's head. But we must have 
higher standards than that for a program meant to create world peace! Of 
course, imho (-:

 
 
 On Friday, March 14, 2014 10:43 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote:
 
   On 3/13/2014 9:27 PM, Share Long wrote:
  To force someone to be in a program to create world peace is a 
  contradiction in terms! 
 
 Apparently all the students and their parents think MUM is a good thing.
 
 We are all trying to promote world peace. There doesn't seem to be any 
 evidence that anyone is being forced to send their children to a private 
 school in the U.S. and none of the school boys have lodged any 
 complaints that I know of. A few apparently didn't want to go back to 
 India! If anyone was forced to stay, why would they not want to go back 
 home? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the tenth year of 
 operation for the pundit boy campus? The only complaints I've heard 
 about MUM have come from MJ who wasn't even a student at MIU or MUM. Go 
 figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

I totally agree with the personal work being done! No one walks around handing 
out donuts, or anything else, in this lifetime. As to the branded comment, I 
am naturally paranoid.:-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?


On 3/14/2014 11:16 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:


Richard, you are delusional today.



Are there any reports of the parents of the pundit boys complaining 
about MUM? Go figure.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

On 3/13/2014 9:27 PM, Share Long wrote:

 To force someone to be in a program to create world peace is a
 contradiction in terms!


Apparently all the students and their parents think MUM is a good thing.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?


On 3/14/2014 11:44 AM, emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
(Think of your own child.  I think of mine.  She is about educating 
herself- 


The pundit boys are learning a trade so they can get jobs when they 
return home. That's the whole idea - pundits are in high demand in India.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

Hey there - I responded but didn't follow the Neo Commandment, thou shalt 
click, 'Show message history':-)
I *totally* (like, totally) agree that we each must do our own work - Yes, no 
free lunches, etc. ever. As for branded, I am naturally slightly paranoid - 
Its harmless, but I suppose I get to enjoy more edges that way...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :

 
 I'm not branding you Docthat's funny.  Just curious if you had anything 
else to say.  Many believe that prayer worksalthough one doesn't always get 
what one prays for.  Nothing wrong with believing it; nothing wrong with 
prayerit's an inside job.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 I got nuttin' - sorry. I just know it works.:-) Brand me as you will, makes no 
diff. Like I said, I never give it much thought. No big deal, either way...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :

 
 Spiritual liberation is for the most part an inside job, imo.  How are they 
aiding the ability of others so inclined?  I am inclined, for example to desire 
such a thing.  How are they helping me?  (I have an answer to my own question, 
but I am curious as to your answer.) By example?  Because you honestly believe 
the hundreds of 20+ year olds are raising the collective consciousness of the 
world, sitting and chanting there in their barbed wire compound day after day 
after day, filled with apparent frustration (at least on that one day), perhaps 
sublimating many ordinary, normal and larger desires that 20-year olds have?  
(Think of your own child.  I think of mine.  She is about educating 
herself- academically, with respect to her relationship to nature/world, 
learning of people and beliefs through interaction with other human beings, 
exploring her own curiosities, her own desire for adventure, etc.)
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 Please allow me to butt in -- Quite honestly Em, I do. Not that world peace 
necessarily dawns, but what they are doing, is *definitely* aiding the ability 
of those who are so inclined, to achieve spiritual liberation. Get enough 
spiritually clear folks on the planet, and we might make it a few more 
generations. Trying to get that ball of collective consciousness rolling in the 
other direction. No, I have absolutely NO PROOF of this, nor is it something I 
spend even five seconds per month thinking about.:-)
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote :

 Share, do you believe that the program is working to create world peace?  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Richard, just because they don't want to go back to India, doesn't mean they 
want to continue being a pundit! Where is Spock when we need him?!
 

 I don't think the pundits have any contact with MUM any more. When the program 
started, they lived on campus. But not for quite a while now.
 

 That's right, no one is putting a gun to anyone's head. But we must have 
higher standards than that for a program meant to create world peace! Of 
course, imho (-:

 
 
 On Friday, March 14, 2014 10:43 AM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote:
 
   On 3/13/2014 9:27 PM, Share Long wrote:
  To force someone to be in a program to create world peace is a 
  contradiction in terms! 
 
 Apparently all the students and their parents think MUM is a good thing.
 
 We are all trying to promote world peace. There doesn't seem to be any 
 evidence that anyone is being forced to send their children to a private 
 school in the U.S. and none of the school boys have lodged any 
 complaints that I know of. A few apparently didn't want to go back to 
 India! If anyone was forced to stay, why would they not want to go back 
 home? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the tenth year of 
 operation for the pundit boy campus? The only complaints I've heard 
 about MUM have come from MJ who wasn't even a student at MIU or MUM. Go 
 figure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread LEnglish5

The MUM/TMO administration obviously feels that it has the basic right to 
discipline human beings who work for the princely sum of $50 per month (with 
*maybe* another $150 going to their families) to force them to practice TM and 
do what they're told. They even issued a press release saying that more such 
discipline is planned. 
 

 

 Well, they get room and board as well, and their contract, as far as I know, 
is to come to the USA and meditate and perform chants/rituals in exchange for 
room, board, and $200/month.
 

 If they're not keeping to the contract, the TM organization is under no 
obligation to keep them around and pay them.
 

 Or do you honestly believe that they should be kept here in the USA  even 
though they aren't fulfilling the terms of their contract?
 

 If you DO honestly think that they should be paid to sit around and do nothing 
at all, when there are likely plenty of people back in India willing to come 
take their place, I'm quite interested in hearing your reasoning...
 

 Lawson

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

The MUM/TMO administration obviously feels that it has the basic right to 
discipline human beings who work for the princely sum of $50 per month (with 
*maybe* another $150 going to their families) to force them to practice TM and 
do what they're told. They even issued a press release saying that more such 
discipline is planned. 

Well, they get room and board as well, and their contract, as far as I know, is 
to come to the USA and meditate and perform chants/rituals in exchange for 
room, board, and $200/month.

If they're not keeping to the contract, the TM organization is under no 
obligation to keep them around and pay them.

Or do you honestly believe that they should be kept here in the USA  even 
though they aren't fulfilling the terms of their contract?

If you DO honestly think that they should be paid to sit around and do nothing 
at all, when there are likely plenty of people back in India willing to come 
take their place, I'm quite interested in hearing your reasoning...

Lawson, this is not the first time I have had occasion to question your sanity. 
Are you really trying to make a case that these pundits, most of whom were 
*sold* into indentured servitude by their parents as pre-teens (according to 
previous news reports, as early as age 8) have entered into a contract with 
the TMO and Girish  Co. 

To have compassion for the parents, the previous news reports have established 
that most of them were dirt-poor and unable to provide for their children, much 
less provide an education for them. They were promised, in addition to a 
monthly income of $150 for themselves (the average monthly income in India is 
$99) and room and board + $50 a month for the kids, an *education* for their 
kids, which *has not been provided*. No evidence has been presented to 
counteract the claims from pundits themselves that the *only* things taught to 
them were how to perform the chants. 

Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold into 
slavery by their own parents have an obligation to fulfill their contract? 

Even if you *are* trying to make this case, I'd like to hear you explain why 
they *wouldn't* practice TM. If it's as great as you've been claiming it is all 
these years, why aren't they *anxious* to sit and meditate twice a day and 
experience all that clarity and bliss? I'll wait for your answer. 

As for plenty of people back in India willing to come take their place, thank 
you for establishing your credentials as a potential slave master yourself, 
willing to exploit young brown boys to create world peace for you. 

Reposting the Carl Sagan quote, because you -- more than almost anyone on this 
forum except for maybe Nabby -- personify it. Even *feste*, whose devotion to 
TM has never been in question, has been able to wake up and smell the coffee as 
the result of this sad demonstration of the ineffectiveness of the pundit 
program. Why haven't you? Have you got an explanation for this *other* than Mr. 
Sagan's quote?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread LEnglish5

Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold into 
slavery by their own parents have an obligation to fulfill their contract? 
 

 Are you saying that if said *adults* are not fulfilling the terms of their 
legal contract, they should continue to be housed in the USA and paid money 
rather than flown back to their home country?
 

 You seem to be attempting to paint them as victims. They are under pretty 
much, as far as I can tell, the same kind of contract that trained Jackie Chan 
as a Chinese Opera performer in Hong Kong. Such contracts may not be the best 
thing for children, but that is irrelevant to the question of what to do with 
them once they decide to stop working after coming here as adults with visas 
that describe specific working conditions.
 

 If adults like Jackie Chan came to this country under contract to perform in 
Chinese Opera productions and decided they no longer wished to perform, the 
entertainment company that brought them to the US to perform would be under no 
obligation to continue to house them and keep them in the USA once the 
contractees decided to stop working.
 

 In fact, as I understand it, it would be illegal for a company to do so since 
they were given work visas in this country for a specific purpose and if they 
are no longer living in this country for that specific purpose, if they 
remained, they would automatically be here illegally unless their status was 
changed through action of American immigration officials.
 

 If they want to attempt to change their work visas, that is a completely 
different issue than what is apparently going on, and it is highly doubtful 
that any of them have work skills that would allow them to legally be here if 
it wasn't under the extraordinary circumstances that it took several years for 
the TM organization to arrange.
 

 Visas usually aren't given to 1,000 people at a time so they can come to the 
USA and chant and meditate for several years.
 

 If you are saying that the pandits were abused as kids and should be seeking 
asylum, that too is different than what the newspaper accounts have been 
saying, and you have no proof that it is the case. 
 

 If you are so concerned, you can always write the Indian ambassador and 
express your insider knowledge of the situation in order to help these people. 
It is your moral obligation to do so, don't you agree?
 

 

 L

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold into 
slavery by their own parents have an obligation to fulfill their contract? 

Are you saying that if said *adults* are not fulfilling the terms of their 
legal contract, they should continue to be housed in the USA and paid money 
rather than flown back to their home country?

You seem to be attempting to paint them as victims. 

Indeed I am. I am furthermore suggesting that the entire program is an 
ill-disguised form of modern child slavery, promoted by a known rapist in India 
as a mechanism to suck millions of dollars worth of donations from dumb TMers 
around the world, with the aid of the international TM movement and shills such 
as yourself. 

I am suggesting that the entire program -- both here and in India -- be 
disbanded and eliminated immediately, and that serious investigations be 
initiated to determine the extent of the abuse perpetrated on these kids and 
their parents. 

YOU are the one seeming to *defend* this indentured servitude. I suggest that 
you stop trying to shoot the messenger and instead try to do so. That is, 
provide some scientific evidence that these kids' chanting does *anything at 
all*, either for them, or for the world as a whole. If you cannot, I have to 
assume that you are merely acting out the knee-jerk cult programming you've 
been indoctrinated with. I would further suggest that this behavior makes YOU 
more than a little a victim yourself.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread anartaxius

The  photos of the compound in the newspaper look much like a minimum-security 
prison compound. I think all we need to do is have a more flexible mindset 
(characteristic of creative intelligence: flexibility) and agree that slavery 
is a good thing, and encourage its practise. Let's keep those little buggers 
locked up! Organisational transparency, freedom, compassion, that's for wimps. 
Totalitarian ideas is what this situation needs. Any situation that requires 
the natural, spontaneous flow of all the laws of nature to produce results must 
be forced into this mould at all costs.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :

 Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold into 
slavery by their own parents have an obligation to fulfill their contract? 
 

 Are you saying that if said *adults* are not fulfilling the terms of their 
legal contract, they should continue to be housed in the USA and paid money 
rather than flown back to their home country?
 

 You seem to be attempting to paint them as victims. They are under pretty 
much, as far as I can tell, the same kind of contract that trained Jackie Chan 
as a Chinese Opera performer in Hong Kong. Such contracts may not be the best 
thing for children, but that is irrelevant to the question of what to do with 
them once they decide to stop working after coming here as adults with visas 
that describe specific working conditions.
 

 If adults like Jackie Chan came to this country under contract to perform in 
Chinese Opera productions and decided they no longer wished to perform, the 
entertainment company that brought them to the US to perform would be under no 
obligation to continue to house them and keep them in the USA once the 
contractees decided to stop working.
 

 In fact, as I understand it, it would be illegal for a company to do so since 
they were given work visas in this country for a specific purpose and if they 
are no longer living in this country for that specific purpose, if they 
remained, they would automatically be here illegally unless their status was 
changed through action of American immigration officials.
 

 If they want to attempt to change their work visas, that is a completely 
different issue than what is apparently going on, and it is highly doubtful 
that any of them have work skills that would allow them to legally be here if 
it wasn't under the extraordinary circumstances that it took several years for 
the TM organization to arrange.
 

 Visas usually aren't given to 1,000 people at a time so they can come to the 
USA and chant and meditate for several years.
 

 If you are saying that the pandits were abused as kids and should be seeking 
asylum, that too is different than what the newspaper accounts have been 
saying, and you have no proof that it is the case. 
 

 If you are so concerned, you can always write the Indian ambassador and 
express your insider knowledge of the situation in order to help these people. 
It is your moral obligation to do so, don't you agree?
 

 

 L

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

turq, I agree with you that the program should be disbanded. But only if greed 
and other forms of ignorance are at the heart of it. However, if at its heart 
is a desire to relieve suffering in the world, then I say let the program be 
reassessed and fixed somehow.

I keep thinking: it has been a long, hard winter in Iowa. There have been 
several mornings where a person could take one step out their door, slip on ice 
and fall flat on their butt. There was one blizzard in the early evening that 
caused severe white beyond a short distance. There has been snowfall after 
snowfall requiring constant shoveling of snow, donning of cold weather gear, 
walking outside in freezing temps, icy winds from Canada.

Now imagine 500 young men from a hot climate trying to deal with that! For one 
thing, can you say cabin fever?! All I'm saying is perhaps this is a factor in 
the situation. Of course along with all that you note. But can we really know 
the motivations of all concerned? The parents, the TMO, the pundits themselves? 
And what about our own motivations as we ascribe blame without having all the 
facts?

Can we ever know all the facts? Is there such a thing as facts anyway? 

I feel in this post of yours a lot of compassion. For that I thank you.





On Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:39 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  


From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
 


  
Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold into 
slavery by their own parents have an obligation to fulfill their contract? 


Are you saying that if said *adults* are not fulfilling the terms of their 
legal contract, they should continue to be housed in the USA and paid money 
rather than flown back to their home country?

You seem to be attempting to paint them as victims. 

Indeed I am. I am furthermore suggesting that the entire program is an 
ill-disguised form of modern child slavery, promoted by a known rapist in India 
as a mechanism to suck millions of dollars worth of donations from dumb TMers 
around the world, with the aid of the international TM movement and shills such 
as yourself. 

I am suggesting that the entire program -- both here and in India -- be 
disbanded and eliminated immediately, and that serious investigations be 
initiated to
 determine the extent of the abuse perpetrated on these kids and their parents. 

YOU are the one seeming to *defend* this indentured servitude. I suggest that 
you stop trying to shoot the messenger and instead try to do so. That is, 
provide some scientific evidence that these kids' chanting does *anything at 
all*, either for them, or for the world as a whole. If you cannot, I have to 
assume that you are merely acting out the knee-jerk cult programming you've 
been indoctrinated with. I would further suggest that this behavior makes YOU 
more than a little a victim yourself.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread nablusoss1008


 Well said. But they are paid 200$ a month which is quite a good salary 
considering that buying ability will be about x 20 for that amount in India. So 
most of these pundits will certainly want to hold on to this job. 
 I think your mention of climate makes a lot of sense.  This added to the fact 
that they are confined to a small area and being without their families and 
loved ones for years on end certainly could add up to some tension.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :


 turq, I agree with you that the program should be disbanded. But only if greed 
and other forms of ignorance are at the heart of it. However, if at its heart 
is a desire to relieve suffering in the world, then I say let the program be 
reassessed and fixed somehow.

I keep thinking: it has been a long, hard winter in Iowa. There have been 
several mornings where a person could take one step out their door, slip on ice 
and fall flat on their butt. There was one blizzard in the early evening that 
caused severe white beyond a short distance. There has been snowfall after 
snowfall requiring constant shoveling of snow, donning of cold weather gear, 
walking outside in freezing temps, icy winds from Canada.

Now imagine 500 young men from a hot climate trying to deal with that! For one 
thing, can you say cabin fever?! All I'm saying is perhaps this is a factor in 
the situation. Of course along with all that you note. But can we really know 
the motivations of all concerned? The parents, the TMO, the pundits themselves? 
And what about our own motivations as we ascribe blame without having all the 
facts?

Can we ever know all the facts? Is there such a thing as facts anyway? 

I feel in this post of yours a lot of compassion. For that I thank you.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread Michael Jackson

This is great! Now when the pundits riot, they can tear up the MUM cars!

Sheriff's Office Won't Help With Next Attempt To Remove Pandit
By Mark Carlson, Reporter

FAIRFIELD, Iowa - A pandit leader that inadvertently triggered some unrest near
Fairfield Tuesday will still be removed, only this time the Jefferson County
Sheriff's office won't be preset.

Bill Goldstein, co-supervisor of the pandit project, said he doesn't anticipate
seeking assistance from law enforcement when the pandit is removed on a second
attempt to send him back to India.

On Tuesday, dozens of pandits threw rocks at a Sheriff's vehicle as the Sheriff
monitored the removal of the pandit at the request of supervisors on the
project. The protesters damaged the car, but the sheriff was able to escape
unharmed. The pandit leader was eventually returned to the campus in a peace
keeping effort.

Pandits are meditators who come from India to pray for peace in a gated campus
outside of Fairfield. They come for two to three year rotations from India as
part of a program that started nearly a decade ago. They are not students of
the nearby Maharishi University of Management, although the university did
assist with getting the program started.

It's not clear when the pandit who triggered Tuesday's unrest will be removed.
Leaders say they're making an effort to meet with other pandits to get to the
bottom of the issue. The pandit is being sent back to India for disciplinary
reasons.

Read more:
http://www.kcrg.com/home/top-9/Sheriffs-Office-Wont-Help-With-Next-Attempt-To-Remove-Pandit--249973471.html#ixzz2vqbCqYwZ

On Thu, 3/13/14, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014,
The
photos of the compound in the newspaper look much like
a minimum-security prison compound. I think all we need to
do is have a more flexible mindset (characteristic of
creative intelligence: flexibility) and agree that slavery
is a good thing, and encourage its practise. Let's keep
those little buggers locked up! Organisational transparency,
freedom, compassion, that's for wimps. Totalitarian
ideas is what this situation needs. Any situation that
requires the natural, spontaneous flow of all the laws of
nature to produce results must be forced into this mould at
all costs.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@...
wrote :

Are
you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially
sold into slavery by their own parents have an obligation to
fulfill their contract?

Are you saying
that if said *adults* are not fulfilling the terms of their
legal contract, they should continue to be housed in the USA
and paid money rather than flown back to their home
country?
You seem to be
attempting to paint them as victims. They are under pretty
much, as far as I can tell, the same kind of contract that
trained Jackie Chan as a Chinese Opera performer in Hong
Kong. Such contracts may not be the best thing for children,
but that is irrelevant to the question of what to do with
them once they decide to stop working after coming here as
adults with visas that describe specific working
conditions.
If adults like
Jackie Chan came to this country under contract to perform
in Chinese Opera productions and decided they no longer
wished to perform, the entertainment company that brought
them to the US to perform would be under no obligation to
continue to house them and keep them in the USA once the
contractees decided to stop working.
In fact, as I
understand it, it would be illegal for a company to do so
since they were given
work visas in this country for a specific purpose and if
they are no longer living in this country for that specific
purpose, if they remained, they would automatically be here
illegally unless their status was changed through action of
American immigration officials.
If
they want to attempt to change their work visas, that is a
completely different issue than what is apparently going on,
and it is highly doubtful that any of them have work skills
that would allow them to legally be here if it wasn't
under the extraordinary circumstances that it took several
years for the TM organization to
arrange.
Visas usually
aren't given to 1,000 people at a time so they can come
to the USA and chant and meditate for several
years.
If you are
saying that the pandits were abused as kids and should be
seeking asylum, that too is different than what the
newspaper accounts have been saying, and you have no proof
that it is the case.
If you are so
concerned, you can always write the Indian ambassador and
express your insider knowledge of the situation in order to
help these people. It is your moral obligation to do so,
don't you agree?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

Conversation in the future:

Child: What did you do for the TM movement, Daddy? I mean, before it was able 
to usher in the Age Of Enlightenment and ensure peace for all of us?

Father: Well, son, I worked on the MUM Pundit Removal Squad. 

Child: What was that, Daddy?

Father: Well, there were some unruly pundits -- obviously unstressing or 
possessed by rakshasas -- who needed to be removed from the pundit 
pris...uh...I mean...compound after they'd created a ruckus and jeopardized our 
cashflo...uh...I mean...our efforts for world peace.

Child: So how did you remove them, Daddy?

Father: Well, we couldn't get local law enforcement to do it for us any more, 
after they had an unpleasant experience being driven away by a bunch of 
teenagers, so we created our own elite force to handle such removals in the 
future.

Child: Did you have a uniform, Daddy?

Father: You betcha, son. Shiny black boots and black jumpsuit, and a way scary 
billy club and Taser to subdue unruly teenagers with. 

Child: How many unruly pundits did you remove, Daddy?

Father: I've lost count, son. But it was all worth it, because we all live in 
the Age Of Enlightenment now, and everything is perfect. Now stop asking 
questions and eat your peas.

Child: But I don't *like* peas, Daddy. 

Father: Do you want me to get the Taser again? Do as you're told...





 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
 


  
This is great! Now when the pundits riot, they can tear up the MUM cars!

Sheriff's Office Won't Help With Next Attempt To Remove Pandit
By Mark Carlson, Reporter

FAIRFIELD, Iowa - A pandit leader that inadvertently triggered some unrest near 
Fairfield Tuesday will still be removed, only this time the Jefferson County 
Sheriff's office won't be preset.

Bill Goldstein, co-supervisor of the pandit project, said he doesn't anticipate 
seeking assistance from law enforcement when the pandit is removed on a second 
attempt to send him back to India.

On Tuesday, dozens of pandits threw rocks at a Sheriff's vehicle as the Sheriff 
monitored the removal of the pandit at the request of supervisors on the 
project. The protesters damaged the car, but the sheriff was able to escape 
unharmed. The pandit leader was eventually returned to the campus in a peace 
keeping effort.

Pandits are meditators who come from India to pray for peace in a gated campus 
outside of Fairfield. They come for two to three year rotations from India as 
part of a program that started nearly a decade ago. They are not students of 
the nearby Maharishi University of Management, although the university did 
assist with getting the program started.

It's not clear when the pandit who triggered Tuesday's unrest will be removed. 
Leaders say they're making an effort to meet with other pandits to get to the 
bottom of the issue. The pandit is being sent back to India for disciplinary 
reasons.

Read more: 
http://www.kcrg.com/home/top-9/Sheriffs-Office-Wont-Help-With-Next-Attempt-To-Remove-Pandit--249973471.html#ixzz2vqbCqYwZ


On Thu, 3/13/14, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014, 
The
 photos of the compound in the newspaper look much like
a minimum-security prison compound. I think all we need to
do is have a more flexible mindset (characteristic of
creative intelligence: flexibility) and agree that slavery
is a good thing, and encourage its practise. Let's keep
those little buggers locked up! Organisational transparency,
freedom, compassion, that's for wimps. Totalitarian
ideas is what this situation needs. Any situation that
requires the natural, spontaneous flow of all the laws of
nature to produce results must be forced into this mould at
all costs.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@...
wrote :

Are
you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially
sold into slavery by their own parents have an obligation to
fulfill their contract? 

Are you saying
that if said *adults* are not fulfilling the terms of their
legal contract, they should continue to be housed in the USA
and paid money rather than flown back to their home
country?
You seem to be
attempting to paint them as victims. They are under pretty
much, as far as I can tell, the same kind of contract that
trained Jackie Chan as a Chinese Opera performer in Hong
Kong. Such contracts may not be the best thing for children,
but that is irrelevant to the question of what to do with
them once they decide to stop working after coming here as
adults with visas that describe specific working
conditions.
If adults like
Jackie Chan came to this country under contract to perform
in Chinese Opera productions

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread authfriend

There may be, shall we say, mixed motivations--i.e., other than 
compassion--involved in the ascribing of blame by the TM critics on FFL. In the 
past, when the TMO has come significantly a-cropper, there have been veritable 
explosions of glee here from the critics, just as in this instance.
 

 I think it may be naive to attribute that glee to compassion. Such an 
attribution, in fact, looks a lot like pandering. Nobody wants the pandits to 
suffer; that's a given and really doesn't merit special acclaim.
 

 

 ...But can we really know the motivations of all concerned? The parents, the 
TMO, the pundits themselves? And what about our own motivations as we ascribe 
blame without having all the facts?
 
Can we ever know all the facts? Is there such a thing as facts anyway? 

I feel in this post of yours a lot of compassion. For that I thank you.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread awoelflebater

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

   The MUM/TMO administration obviously feels that it has the basic right to 
discipline human beings who work for the princely sum of $50 per month (with 
*maybe* another $150 going to their families) to force them to practice TM and 
do what they're told. They even issued a press release saying that more such 
discipline is planned. 

 Well, they get room and board as well, and their contract, as far as I know, 
is to come to the USA and meditate and perform chants/rituals in exchange for 
room, board, and $200/month.

 If they're not keeping to the contract, the TM organization is under no 
obligation to keep them around and pay them.

 Or do you honestly believe that they should be kept here in the USA  even 
though they aren't fulfilling the terms of their contract?

 If you DO honestly think that they should be paid to sit around and do nothing 
at all, when there are likely plenty of people back in India willing to come 
take their place, I'm quite interested in hearing your reasoning...

Lawson, this is not the first time I have had occasion to question your sanity. 
Are you really trying to make a case that these pundits, most of whom were 
*sold* into indentured servitude by their parents as pre-teens (according to 
previous news reports, as early as age 8) have entered into a contract with 
the TMO and Girish  Co. 

To have compassion for the parents, the previous news reports have established 
that most of them were dirt-poor and unable to provide for their children, much 
less provide an education for them. They were promised, in addition to a 
monthly income of $150 for themselves (the average monthly income in India is 
$99) and room and board + $50 a month for the kids, an *education* for their 
kids, which *has not been provided*. No evidence has been presented to 
counteract the claims from pundits themselves that the *only* things taught to 
them were how to perform the chants. 

Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold into 
slavery by their own parents have an obligation to fulfill their contract? 

Even if you *are* trying to make this case, I'd like to hear you explain why 
they *wouldn't* practice TM. If it's as great as you've been claiming it is all 
these years, why aren't they *anxious* to sit and meditate twice a day and 
experience all that clarity and bliss? I'll wait for your answer. 

As for plenty of people back in India willing to come take their place, thank 
you for establishing your credentials as a potential slave master yourself, 
willing to exploit young brown boys to create world peace for you. 

Reposting the Carl Sagan quote, because you -- more than almost anyone on this 
forum except for maybe Nabby -- personify it. Even *feste*, whose devotion to 
TM has never been in question, has been able to wake up and smell the coffee as 
the result of this sad demonstration of the ineffectiveness of the pundit 
program. Why haven't you? Have you got an explanation for this *other* than Mr. 
Sagan's quote?

 Another beautiful example why Bawwy is a social misfit, someone who dismisses 
anyone else who dare question his idiotic and mostly odious theories on how 
others operate. It is like Bawwy is deathly afraid to engage one on one without 
first getting out his protective suit of armour in the form of gratuitous, 
verbal violence. Take your Facebook graphics and go play somewhere else, 
jackass. Lawson is too smart for you anyway.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread Michael Jackson

that's great TurqB!

On Thu, 3/13/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014, 1:23 PM

Conversation in the future:

Child: What did you do for the TM movement, Daddy? I mean,
before it was able to usher in the Age Of Enlightenment and
ensure peace for all of us?

Father: Well, son, I worked on the MUM Pundit Removal Squad.

Child: What was that, Daddy?

Father: Well, there were some unruly pundits -- obviously
unstressing or possessed by rakshasas -- who needed to be
removed from the pundit pris...uh...I mean...compound after
they'd created a ruckus and jeopardized our
cashflo...uh...I mean...our efforts for world peace.

Child: So how did you remove them, Daddy?

Father: Well, we couldn't get local law enforcement to
do it for us any more, after they had an unpleasant
experience
being driven away by a bunch of teenagers, so we created
our own elite force to handle such removals in
the future.

Child: Did you have a uniform, Daddy?

Father: You betcha, son. Shiny black boots and black
jumpsuit, and a way scary billy club and Taser to subdue
unruly teenagers with.

Child: How many unruly pundits did you remove,
Daddy?

Father: I've lost count, son. But it was all worth it,
because we all live in the Age Of Enlightenment now, and
everything is perfect. Now stop asking questions and eat
your peas.

Child: But I don't *like* peas, Daddy.

Father: Do you want me to get the Taser again? Do as
you're told...

From: Michael
Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To:
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Thursday, March 13, 2014 2:03 PM
Subject: Re:
[FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit
riots?

This is great! Now when the pundits riot, they
can tear up the MUM cars!

Sheriff's Office Won't Help With Next Attempt To
Remove Pandit

By Mark Carlson, Reporter

FAIRFIELD, Iowa - A pandit leader that inadvertently
triggered some unrest near Fairfield Tuesday will still be
removed, only this time the Jefferson County Sheriff's
office won't be preset.

Bill Goldstein, co-supervisor of the pandit project, said he
doesn't anticipate seeking assistance from law
enforcement when the pandit is removed on a second attempt
to send him back to India.

On Tuesday, dozens of pandits threw rocks at a Sheriff's
vehicle as the Sheriff monitored the removal of the pandit
at the request of supervisors on the project. The protesters
damaged the car, but the sheriff was able to escape
unharmed. The pandit leader was eventually returned to the
campus in a peace keeping effort.

Pandits are meditators who come from India to pray for peace
in a gated campus outside of Fairfield. They come for two to
three year rotations from India as part of a program that
started nearly a decade ago. They are not students of the
nearby Maharishi University of Management, although the
university did assist with getting the program started.

It's not clear when the pandit who triggered
Tuesday's unrest will be removed. Leaders say
they're making an effort to meet with other pandits to
get to the bottom of the issue. The pandit is being sent
back to India for disciplinary reasons.

http://www.kcrg.com/home/top-9/Sheriffs-Office-Wont-Help-With-Next-Attempt-To-Remove-Pandit--249973471.html#ixzz2vqbCqYwZ

On Thu, 3/13/14, anartax...@yahoo.com
anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned
from the pundit riots?

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014,

The

photos of the compound in the newspaper look much
like

a minimum-security prison compound. I think all we need
to

do is have a more flexible mindset (characteristic of

creative intelligence: flexibility) and agree that
slavery

is a good thing, and encourage its practise. Let's
keep

those little buggers locked up! Organisational
transparency,

freedom, compassion, that's for wimps. Totalitarian

ideas is what this situation needs. Any situation that

requires the natural, spontaneous flow of all the laws
of

nature to produce results must be forced into this mould
at

all costs.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
LEnglish5@...

wrote :

Are

you *really* trying to make a case that children
essentially

sold into slavery by their own parents have an obligation
to

fulfill their contract?

Are you saying

that if said *adults* are not fulfilling the terms of
their

legal

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread awoelflebater


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 turq, I agree with you that the program should be disbanded. But only if greed 
and other forms of ignorance are at the heart of it. However, if at its heart 
is a desire to relieve suffering in the world, then I say let the program be 
reassessed and fixed somehow.

I keep thinking: it has been a long, hard winter in Iowa. There have been 
several mornings where a person could take one step out their door, slip on ice 
and fall flat on their butt. There was one blizzard in the early evening that 
caused severe white beyond a short distance. There has been snowfall after 
snowfall requiring constant shoveling of snow, donning of cold weather gear, 
walking outside in freezing temps, icy winds from Canada.

Now imagine 500 young men from a hot climate trying to deal with that! For one 
thing, can you say cabin fever?! All I'm saying is perhaps this is a factor in 
the situation. Of course along with all that you note. But can we really know 
the motivations of all concerned? The parents, the TMO, the pundits themselves? 
And what about our own motivations as we ascribe blame without having all the 
facts?

Can we ever know all the facts? Is there such a thing as facts anyway? 

I feel in this post of yours a lot of compassion. For that I thank you.
 

 Compassion?! Share, are you blind and crazy? All Bawwy is doing is using this 
incident as an excuse to continue to diss the TM movement. He doesn't care one 
iota about human freedom or the 'imprisonment' or slave labour supposedly 
being inflicted on these particular pandits. Bawwy just built himself another 
soapbox - this time on the backs of the pandits.
 

 

 
 
 On Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:39 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... wrote:
 
   
 From: LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
 
 
   Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold into 
slavery by their own parents have an obligation to fulfill their contract? 

 

 Are you saying that if said *adults* are not fulfilling the terms of their 
legal contract, they should continue to be housed in the USA and paid money 
rather than flown back to their home country?
 

 You seem to be attempting to paint them as victims. 

Indeed I am. I am furthermore suggesting that the entire program is an 
ill-disguised form of modern child slavery, promoted by a known rapist in India 
as a mechanism to suck millions of dollars worth of donations from dumb TMers 
around the world, with the aid of the international TM movement and shills such 
as yourself. 

I am suggesting that the entire program -- both here and in India -- be 
disbanded and eliminated immediately, and that serious investigations be 
initiated to determine the extent of the abuse perpetrated on these kids and 
their parents. 

YOU are the one seeming to *defend* this indentured servitude. I suggest that 
you stop trying to shoot the messenger and instead try to do so. That is, 
provide some scientific evidence that these kids' chanting does *anything at 
all*, either for them, or for the world as a whole. If you cannot, I have to 
assume that you are merely acting out the knee-jerk cult programming you've 
been indoctrinated with. I would further suggest that this behavior makes YOU 
more than a little a victim yourself.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread dhamiltony2k5

It would be most helpful for everyone to hear from the pundits, freely. 
 Who is going to speak to the pundits so we can hear the pundit side of this? 
The Raja Wynne ? It would be most caring to have independent mediation to hear 
what the pundit side really is. Send in the International Red Cross, the 
Attorneys General either State or Federal, or draw on the help of non-profit 
groups that specialize in traffic-ed workers.  Let the pundits speak so 
everyone can hear it. What are the pundits saying?
 -Buck
 

 authfriend writes:

 There may be, shall we say, mixed motivations--i.e., other than 
compassion--involved in the ascribing of blame by the TM critics on FFL. In the 
past, when the TMO has come significantly a-cropper, there have been veritable 
explosions of glee here from the critics, just as in this instance.
 

 I think it may be naive to attribute that glee to compassion. Such an 
attribution, in fact, looks a lot like pandering. Nobody wants the pandits to 
suffer; that's a given and really doesn't merit special acclaim.
 

 ...But can we really know the motivations of all concerned? The parents, the 
TMO, the pundits themselves? And what about our own motivations as we ascribe 
blame without having all the facts?
 
Can we ever know all the facts? Is there such a thing as facts anyway? 

I feel in this post of yours a lot of compassion. For that I thank you.
 .

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

that's great TurqB!
I can only hope that lawyer Better Call Goldstein and many others read it. This 
IS, after all, the precedent they are about to set. I also hope that Google's 
search placement algorithms rank my posts today high enough than a number of 
TMers and interested lurkers out there in Networld find and see them. This 
really IS an issue of child slavery as far as I can tell, and sooner or later 
it's all going to come out, and the TM movement will perish as a result. Better 
than they divorce themselves from the whole thing and throw Girish  Co. to the 
wolves sooner rather than later.

On Thu, 3/13/14, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014, 1:23 PM

Conversation in the future:

Child: What did you do for the TM movement, Daddy? I mean,
before it was able to usher in the Age Of Enlightenment and
ensure peace for all of us?

Father: Well, son, I worked on the MUM Pundit Removal Squad.

Child: What was that, Daddy?

Father: Well, there were some unruly pundits -- obviously
unstressing or possessed by rakshasas -- who needed to be
removed from the pundit pris...uh...I mean...compound after
they'd created a ruckus and jeopardized our
cashflo...uh...I mean...our efforts for world peace.

Child: So how did you remove them, Daddy?

Father: Well, we couldn't get local law enforcement to
do it for us any more, after they had an unpleasant
experience
being driven away by a bunch of teenagers, so we created
our own elite force to handle such removals in
the future.

Child: Did you have a uniform, Daddy?

Father: You betcha, son. Shiny black boots and black
jumpsuit, and a way scary billy club and Taser to subdue
unruly teenagers with. 

Child: How many unruly pundits did you remove,
Daddy?

Father: I've lost count, son. But it was all worth it,
because we all live in the Age Of Enlightenment now, and
everything is perfect. Now stop asking questions and eat
your peas.

Child: But I don't *like* peas, Daddy. 

Father: Do you want me to get the Taser again? Do as
you're told...

---

From: Michael
Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To:
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent:
Thursday, March 13, 2014 2:03 PM
Subject: Re:
[FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit
riots?

This is great! Now when the pundits riot, they
can tear up the MUM cars!

Sheriff's Office Won't Help With Next Attempt To
Remove Pandit

By Mark Carlson, Reporter

FAIRFIELD, Iowa - A pandit leader that inadvertently
triggered some unrest near Fairfield Tuesday will still be
removed, only this time the Jefferson County Sheriff's
office won't be preset.

Bill Goldstein, co-supervisor of the pandit project, said he
doesn't anticipate seeking assistance from law
enforcement when the pandit is removed on a second attempt
to send him back to India.

On Tuesday, dozens of pandits threw rocks at a Sheriff's
vehicle as the Sheriff monitored the removal of the pandit
at the request of supervisors on the project. The protesters
damaged the car, but the sheriff was able to escape
unharmed. The pandit leader was eventually returned to the
campus in a peace keeping effort.

Pandits are meditators who come from India to pray for peace
in a gated campus outside of Fairfield. They come for two to
three year rotations from India as part of a program that
started nearly a decade ago. They are not students of the
nearby Maharishi University of Management, although the
university did assist with getting the program started.

It's not clear when the pandit who triggered
Tuesday's unrest will be removed. Leaders say
they're making an effort to meet with other pandits to
get to the bottom of the issue. The pandit is being sent
back to India for disciplinary reasons.

Read more:
http://www.kcrg.com/home/top-9/Sheriffs-Office-Wont-Help-With-Next-Attempt-To-Remove-Pandit--249973471.html#ixzz2vqbCqYwZ

On Thu, 3/13/14, anartax...@yahoo.com
anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned
from the pundit riots?

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014, 

The

 photos of the compound in the newspaper look much
like

a minimum-security prison compound. I think all we need
to

do is have a more flexible mindset (characteristic of

creative intelligence: flexibility) and agree that
slavery

is a good thing, and encourage its practise. Let's
keep

those little buggers locked up! Organisational
transparency,

freedom

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

It would be most helpful for
everyone to hear from the pundits, freely.  
Who is going to speak to the pundits
so we can hear the pundit side of this?  The Raja Wynne ?  It would
be most caring to have independent mediation to hear what the pundit
side really is.  Send in the International Red Cross, the Attorneys General 
either State or Federal, or draw on the help of non-profit
groups that specialize in traffic-ed workers.  Let the pundits speak
so everyone can hear it.  What are the pundits saying?
For once, I agree with Buck. That's what my posts today have been hinting at. 

This whole matter needs to be taken out of the hands of people who profit from 
it as it is. Turn it over to independent investigators and the press. Don't 
exclude criminal and human rights violation investigators, either in Fairfield 
or in India.

Attempts to spirit Mishra away in the dead of night should serve only to 
confirm my suspicions, not dispel them. Any attempt to prevent pundits from 
speaking directly to the press should be viewed the same way. Any attempt to 
cherry-pick those who get to speak to the press, ditto. 

Put up or shut up, TM movement.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?


On 3/13/2014 8:23 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
Well, there were some unruly pundits -- obviously unstressing or 
possessed by rakshasas


What is wrong with you, Barry? The pundits are students from India, not 
unruly black devil rakshasas. Maybe you should learn a little Sanskrit 
before you go using a language you can't even understand, making fun of 
people based on their birth circumstances - in the USA we don't believe 
in the caste system anymore. The pundit program has nothing to do with 
skin color. You'resounding like a Texas bigot that hates black people. 
Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread wgm4u

 Maybe they could send over Jimmy Carter to get to the bottom of this 
international scandal rocking the Country.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: dhamiltony2k5@... dhamiltony2k5@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

   It would be most helpful for everyone to hear from the pundits, freely. 
 Who is going to speak to the pundits so we can hear the pundit side of this? 
The Raja Wynne ? It would be most caring to have independent mediation to hear 
what the pundit side really is. Send in the International Red Cross, the 
Attorneys General either State or Federal, or draw on the help of non-profit 
groups that specialize in traffic-ed workers.  Let the pundits speak so 
everyone can hear it. What are the pundits saying?

For once, I agree with Buck. That's what my posts today have been hinting at. 

This whole matter needs to be taken out of the hands of people who profit from 
it as it is. Turn it over to independent investigators and the press. Don't 
exclude criminal and human rights violation investigators, either in Fairfield 
or in India.

Attempts to spirit Mishra away in the dead of night should serve only to 
confirm my suspicions, not dispel them. Any attempt to prevent pundits from 
speaking directly to the press should be viewed the same way. Any attempt to 
cherry-pick those who get to speak to the press, ditto. 

Put up or shut up, TM movement.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

dear Buck and turq, if you think anyone EVER speaks freely, then I am grateful 
to you both for your hopefulness. IMO the only people who ever speak completely 
freely, are those people who feel, no, who experience, who live the reality 
that they have absolutely nothing to lose.

Having said that, I agree, let the pundits speak. Bring in Intl. Red Cross and 
such, yes, both here and in India. But Buck, I'd say leave local orgs out of 
it. And I say, if these pundits were forced as young children to join this 
program, then they and their families must be paid whatever they are owed and 
freed immediately.

And if the program does continue with volunteer pundits, at least build them an 
indoor soccer field so that they can get some fun exercise during the long, 
hard, Iowa winters. Seems like common sense to me. 





On Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:13 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  


From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
 


  
It would be most helpful for
everyone to hear from the pundits, freely.  
Who is going to speak to the pundits
so we can hear the pundit side of this?  The Raja Wynne ?  It would
be most caring to have independent mediation to hear what the pundit
side really is.  Send in the International Red Cross, the Attorneys General 
either State or Federal, or draw on the help of non-profit
groups that specialize in traffic-ed workers.  Let the pundits speak
so everyone can hear it.  What are the pundits saying?
For once, I agree with Buck. That's what my posts today have been hinting at. 

This whole matter needs to be taken out of the hands of people who profit from 
it as it is. Turn it over to independent investigators and the press. Don't 
exclude criminal and human rights violation investigators, either in Fairfield 
or in India.

Attempts to spirit Mishra away in the dead of night should serve only to 
confirm my suspicions, not dispel them. Any attempt to prevent pundits from 
speaking directly to the press should be viewed the same way. Any attempt to 
cherry-pick those who get to speak to the press, ditto. 

Put up or shut up, TM movement.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

On 3/13/2014 8:51 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
 that's great TurqB!
 
What you need to do is examine your own motives for contributing to this 
conversation. So far, you and Barry are not looking very good in the 
racial profiling category. Go figure.

There are probably millions of people attending religious schools all 
over the planet and there are probably thousands of instances of 
something happening in a campus parking lot somewhere, probably every 
single day.

The question is: does it matter than the students are Hindu religious 
pundits from India?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

Judy to my satisfaction I covered the issue you mention when I wrote: And what 
about our own motivations as we ascribe blame without having all the facts?

I felt turq's compassion in his post. I was not pandering. But you, as usual, 
are attempting to pass off your opinions as fact and your unsuccessful attempts 
at mind reading as successful.




On Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:43 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
There may be, shall we say, mixed motivations--i.e., other than 
compassion--involved in the ascribing of blame by the TM critics on FFL. In the 
past, when the TMO has come significantly a-cropper, there have been veritable 
explosions of glee here from the critics, just as in this instance.

I think it may be naive to attribute that glee to compassion. Such an 
attribution, in fact, looks a lot like pandering. Nobody wants the pandits to 
suffer; that's a given and really doesn't merit special acclaim.


...But can we really know the motivations of all concerned? The parents, the 
TMO, the pundits themselves? And what about our own motivations as we ascribe 
blame without having all the facts?

Can we ever know all the facts? Is there such a thing as facts anyway? 

I feel in this post of yours a lot of compassion. For that I thank you.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

turq, upon what experience are you basing this story? What I'm asking is: have 
you seen the TMO use physical force against anyone?





On Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:26 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  
Conversation in the future:

Child: What did you do for the TM movement, Daddy? I mean, before it was able 
to usher in the Age Of Enlightenment and ensure peace for all of us?

Father: Well, son, I worked on the MUM Pundit Removal Squad. 

Child: What was that, Daddy?

Father: Well, there were some unruly pundits -- obviously unstressing or 
possessed by rakshasas -- who needed to be removed from the pundit 
pris...uh...I mean...compound after they'd created a ruckus and jeopardized our 
cashflo...uh...I mean...our efforts for world peace.

Child: So how did you remove them, Daddy?

Father: Well, we couldn't get local law enforcement to do it for us any more, 
after they had an unpleasant experience
 being driven away by a bunch of teenagers, so we created our own elite force 
to handle such removals in the future.

Child: Did you have a uniform, Daddy?

Father: You betcha, son. Shiny black boots and black jumpsuit, and a way scary 
billy club and Taser to subdue unruly teenagers with. 

Child: How many unruly pundits did you remove, Daddy?

Father: I've lost count, son. But it was all worth it, because we all live in 
the Age Of Enlightenment now, and everything is perfect. Now stop asking 
questions and eat your peas.

Child: But I don't *like* peas, Daddy. 

Father: Do you want me to get the Taser again? Do as you're told...





 From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
 


  
This is great! Now when the pundits riot, they can tear up the MUM cars!

Sheriff's Office Won't Help With Next Attempt To Remove Pandit
By Mark Carlson, Reporter

FAIRFIELD, Iowa - A pandit leader that inadvertently triggered some unrest near 
Fairfield Tuesday will still be removed, only this time the Jefferson County 
Sheriff's office won't be preset.

Bill Goldstein, co-supervisor of the pandit project, said he doesn't anticipate 
seeking assistance from law enforcement when the pandit is removed on a second 
attempt to send him back to India.

On Tuesday, dozens of pandits threw rocks at a Sheriff's vehicle as the Sheriff 
monitored the removal of the pandit at the request of supervisors on the 
project. The protesters damaged the car, but the sheriff was able to escape 
unharmed. The pandit leader was eventually returned to the campus in a peace 
keeping effort.

Pandits are meditators who come from India to pray for peace in a gated campus 
outside of Fairfield. They come for two to three year rotations from India as 
part of a program that started nearly a decade ago. They are not students of 
the nearby Maharishi University of Management, although the university did 
assist with getting the program started.

It's not clear when the pandit who triggered Tuesday's unrest will be removed. 
Leaders say they're making an effort to meet with other pandits to get to the 
bottom of the issue. The pandit is being sent back to India for disciplinary 
reasons.

Read more: 
http://www.kcrg.com/home/top-9/Sheriffs-Office-Wont-Help-With-Next-Attempt-To-Remove-Pandit--249973471.html#ixzz2vqbCqYwZ


On Thu, 3/13/14, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014, 
The
 photos of the compound in the newspaper look much like
a minimum-security prison compound. I think all we need to
do is have a more flexible mindset (characteristic of
creative intelligence: flexibility) and agree that slavery
is a good thing, and encourage its practise. Let's keep
those little buggers locked up! Organisational transparency,
freedom, compassion, that's for wimps. Totalitarian
ideas is what this situation needs. Any situation that
requires the natural, spontaneous flow of all the laws of
nature to produce results must be forced into this mould at
all costs.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@...
wrote :

Are
you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially
sold into slavery by their own parents have an obligation to
fulfill their contract? 

Are you saying
that if said *adults* are not fulfilling the terms of their
legal contract, they should continue to be housed in the USA
and paid money rather than flown back to their home
country?
You seem to be
attempting to paint them as victims. They are under pretty
much, as far as I can tell, the same kind of contract that
trained Jackie Chan as a Chinese Opera performer in Hong
Kong. Such contracts may not be the best thing for children,
but that is irrelevant to the question of what to do with
them

[FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread LEnglish5

Indeed I am. I am furthermore suggesting that the entire program is an 
ill-disguised form of modern child slavery, promoted by a known rapist in India 
as a mechanism to suck millions of dollars worth of donations from dumb TMers 
around the world, with the aid of the international TM movement and shills such 
as yourself. 
 

 As I said, this is exactly the same scenario that created Jackie Chan, not to 
mention  Sammo Hung https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammo_Hung,  Yuen Biao 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuen_Biao, Corey Yuen 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corey_Yuen, Yuen Wah 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuen_Wah, Yuen Tak, Yuen Tai, and Yuen Mo of the 
Seven Little Fortunes, and all the other students of the Chinese Opera of Hong 
Kong, who have provided the marital arts stunts in the Hong Kong martial arts 
movies for the past 40 years.
 

 ALL of them were enrolled in residential trade schools around 5 or 6. Their 
parents made deals with the school masters to train them in a trade (Chinese 
Opera) and they would work off their debt after they became old enough to 
perform in public.
 

 It may not be palatable from a Western perspective, but it's not exactly a 
rarity, and parents were convinced that they were doing their children a favor. 
Read Chan's autobiography, for example.
 

 If you're arguing that it is a bad thing, perhaps you are correct, but as far 
as I know, it is still a very strong educational model in India and certainly 
not limited to the TM organization.
 

 

 L

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

Lawson, I would say that if these children are forced, then the parents are 
mainly to blame. BUT...so also is the organization that accepts these coerced 
children into their programs. 

The TMO in my opinion, should only accept children who truly want to be in the 
program. There should be a screening process. Maybe there already is. 

But, is even that a solution? What if some parents offer their child. But after 
screening, it is found that the child doesn't want to be in the program. Then 
what? I'm saying it's neither straight forward nor simple.





On Thursday, March 13, 2014 10:01 AM, lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net 
wrote:
 
  
Indeed I am. I am furthermore suggesting that the entire program is an 
ill-disguised form of modern child slavery, promoted by a known rapist in India 
as a mechanism to suck millions of dollars worth of donations from dumb TMers 
around the world, with the aid of the international TM movement and shills such 
as yourself. 


As I said, this is exactly the same scenario that created Jackie Chan, not to 
mention  Sammo Hung,  Yuen Biao, Corey Yuen, Yuen Wah, Yuen Tak, Yuen Tai, and 
Yuen Mo of the Seven Little Fortunes, and all the other students of the Chinese 
Opera of Hong Kong, who have provided the marital arts stunts in the Hong Kong 
martial arts movies for the past 40 years.

ALL of them were enrolled in residential trade schools around 5 or 6. Their 
parents made deals with the school masters to train them in a trade (Chinese 
Opera) and they would work off their debt after they became old enough to 
perform in public.

It may not be palatable from a Western perspective, but it's not exactly a 
rarity, and parents were convinced that they were doing their children a favor. 
Read Chan's autobiography, for example.

If you're arguing that it is a bad thing, perhaps you are correct, but as far 
as I know, it is still a very strong educational model in India and certainly 
not limited to the TM organization.


L

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread authfriend

Read what I wrote again. You are lying when you say I was trying to pass off my 
opinions as fact. Not that it's a surprise to find you telling falsehoods. 
That's how you deal with conflict, dishonestly. And there's more than enough 
hard evidence of that in the archives. Want some examples? 

 I believe you were pandering to Barry and are not telling the truth when you 
deny it. And I write my posts for my own satisfaction, not yours. You did not 
cover the issue to my satisfaction.
 

 See how that works? I get to say what I think, whether you like it or not. 
Suck it up.
 

 
 Judy to my satisfaction I covered the issue you mention when I wrote: And what 
about our own motivations as we ascribe blame without having all the facts?
 

 I felt turq's compassion in his post. I was not pandering. But you, as usual, 
are attempting to pass off your opinions as fact and your unsuccessful attempts 
at mind reading as successful.

 
 
 On Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:43 AM, authfriend@... authfriend@... wrote:
 
   There may be, shall we say, mixed motivations--i.e., other than 
compassion--involved in the ascribing of blame by the TM critics on FFL. In the 
past, when the TMO has come significantly a-cropper, there have been veritable 
explosions of glee here from the critics, just as in this instance.
 

 I think it may be naive to attribute that glee to compassion. Such an 
attribution, in fact, looks a lot like pandering. Nobody wants the pandits to 
suffer; that's a given and really doesn't merit special acclaim.
 

 

 ...But can we really know the motivations of all concerned? The parents, the 
TMO, the pundits themselves? And what about our own motivations as we ascribe 
blame without having all the facts?
 
Can we ever know all the facts? Is there such a thing as facts anyway? 

I feel in this post of yours a lot of compassion. For that I thank you.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

On 3/13/2014 10:10 AM, Share Long wrote:
 accept children who truly want to be in the program. 
 
Parents send their children to boarding schools all the time, even if 
the child does not want to go - you don't have to like your parents - 
just do what they tell you to do. I would think that the MUM school is 
no different than most private schools, as far as a student screening goes.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

Richard, as I was saying to Lawson, it's a complicated situation. But I would 
say, for this kind of program to create world peace, better to only have people 
involved who truly want to be involved. Otherwise it's flawed from the 
beginning. 

But it's a sticky wicket. What if the parent wants to enroll the child in the 
pundit program but the child doesn't want to be a pundit? What then?  





On Thursday, March 13, 2014 10:16 AM, Richard J. Williams 
pundits...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
On 3/13/2014 10:10 AM, Share Long wrote:
 accept children who truly want to be in the program. 

Parents send their children to boarding schools all the time, even if 
the child does not want to go - you don't have to like your parents - 
just do what they tell you to do. I would think that the MUM school is 
no different than most private schools, as far as a student screening goes.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread nablusoss1008

Turq et. al. and other pseudo-Buddhists here just need something to unstress on 
considering the low interest in the Dolly Lama these days. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 3/13/2014 10:10 AM, Share Long wrote:
  accept children who truly want to be in the program. 
 
 Parents send their children to boarding schools all the time, even if 
 the child does not want to go - you don't have to like your parents - 
 just do what they tell you to do. I would think that the MUM school is 
 no different than most private schools, as far as a student screening goes.

[FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread punditster

On 3/13/2014 9:03 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Send in the International Red Cross, the Attorneys General either State or 
Federal, or draw on the help of non-profit groups that specialize in traffic-ed 
workers. 
 From what I can see, Tony Nader lives just a few blocks from the campus, so 
obviously we should send in Tony, who is able to understand what the pundits 
have to say. And, we could send Dr. Nancy Lonsdorf over there too, she's an 
M.D. Let me know - if need be, I'll drive up there myself and have a talk with 
the pundits on the campus. Thanks for the suggestions, Buck. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :

 It would be most helpful for everyone to hear from the pundits, freely. 
 Who is going to speak to the pundits so we can hear the pundit side of this? 
The Raja Wynne ? It would be most caring to have independent mediation to hear 
what the pundit side really is. Send in the International Red Cross, the 
Attorneys General either State or Federal, or draw on the help of non-profit 
groups that specialize in traffic-ed workers.  Let the pundits speak so 
everyone can hear it. What are the pundits saying?
 -Buck
 

 authfriend writes:

 There may be, shall we say, mixed motivations--i.e., other than 
compassion--involved in the ascribing of blame by the TM critics on FFL. In the 
past, when the TMO has come significantly a-cropper, there have been veritable 
explosions of glee here from the critics, just as in this instance.
 

 I think it may be naive to attribute that glee to compassion. Such an 
attribution, in fact, looks a lot like pandering. Nobody wants the pandits to 
suffer; that's a given and really doesn't merit special acclaim.
 

 ...But can we really know the motivations of all concerned? The parents, the 
TMO, the pundits themselves? And what about our own motivations as we ascribe 
blame without having all the facts?
 
Can we ever know all the facts? Is there such a thing as facts anyway? 

I feel in this post of yours a lot of compassion. For that I thank you.
 .

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?


On 3/13/2014 6:01 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold 
into slavery by their own parents have an obligation to fulfill their 
contract?


Answer to previous question: Yes. it looks like Barry is interested in 
the TMO  pundit program in order to engage Judy in another argument. 
There must be thousands of people and their families who support the TMO 
pundit program, and none have ever charged any parents with forcing 
children into slavery. I guess it is all about winning. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread Bhairitu


On 03/13/2014 04:01 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:


*From:* lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:06 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the 
pundit riots?


Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold 
into slavery by their own parents have an obligation to fulfill their 
contract?


Are you saying that if said *adults* are not fulfilling the terms of 
their legal contract, they should continue to be housed in the USA and 
paid money rather than flown back to their home country?


You seem to be attempting to paint them as victims.

Indeed I am. I am furthermore suggesting that the entire program is an 
ill-disguised form of modern child slavery, promoted by a known rapist 
in India as a mechanism to suck millions of dollars worth of 
donations from dumb TMers around the world, with the aid of the 
international TM movement and shills such as yourself.


I am suggesting that the entire program -- both here and in India -- 
be disbanded and eliminated immediately, and that serious 
investigations be initiated to determine the extent of the abuse 
perpetrated on these kids and their parents.


YOU are the one seeming to *defend* this indentured servitude. I 
suggest that you stop trying to shoot the messenger and instead try 
to do so. That is, provide some scientific evidence that these kids' 
chanting does *anything at all*, either for them, or for the world as 
a whole. If you cannot, I have to assume that you are merely acting 
out the knee-jerk cult programming you've been indoctrinated with. I 
would further suggest that this behavior makes YOU more than a little 
a victim yourself.






Well, Lawson is a TM fanboy.  What would you expect?  You should know 
the type.  They were meditators who hung out at the local center and 
were experts on TM.  Most of the teachers hated them but put up with 
them.  I recall one went off to work in Europe on the TTC courses and 
came back after he took the Phase I of TTC and had lost his enthusiasm 
for the movement. ;-)


Other organizations actually teach their white folks how to performs 
homas, yagyas and other rituals themselves.  No need for imports.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

Well, Lawson is a TM fanboy.  

I agree. What I am commenting on is that the *extent* of his fanboy antics are 
starting to sound like the rantings of a crazy-eyed cultist. I honestly don't 
think he realizes this.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread authfriend

When contemplating the relative sanity of Barry and Lawson, let's bear in mind 
that it was Barry who characterized Lawson's mention of a TV interview with an 
older Fairfield pundit as exploiting a celebrity endorsement--as if Lawson 
could have cited any number of other interviews of the pundit by a neutral 
party to obtain the same information but deliberately chose the one Oprah did. 

 Lawson has always been more objective, more commonsensical, and more concerned 
with the facts than Barry. He makes Barry's lunatic partisanship look bad; 
that's why Barry keeps accusing Lawson of being a crazy cultist, in the hope 
that others will disregard what he has to say.
 

 

 

 Well, Lawson is a TM fanboy.  
 
I agree. What I am commenting on is that the *extent* of his fanboy antics are 
starting to sound like the rantings of a crazy-eyed cultist. I honestly don't 
think he realizes this.

[FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread punditster

What I am commenting on is your crazy-eyed cultist outlook - do you seriously 
think those folks up in Vedic City would be party to kidnapping and holding 
Indian children in forced labor camps? If so, that's an insult to people like 
Rick and Alex who live up there! Don't you think they would tell us if 
something like that was going on? Have you gone out of your mind or what, 
Barry? Go figure. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 
 From: Bhairitu noozguru@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 5:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
 
 
   
Well, Lawson is a TM fanboy.  

I agree. What I am commenting on is that the *extent* of his fanboy antics are 
starting to sound like the rantings of a crazy-eyed cultist. I honestly don't 
think he realizes this.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

2014-03-13 Thread doctordumbass

I am kind of embarrassed for him, actually, the way he is going on and on, and 
on, about the pundit piddle. I would get it, if he were Iowanese, or even, 
Wisconsinian, but the dude lives in E-fucking-u-rope. He is a little too worked 
up about it, being that far away, and his desperation is creeping me out.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 
 From: LEnglish5@... LEnglish5@...
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 9:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?
 
 
   The MUM/TMO administration obviously feels that it has the basic right to 
discipline human beings who work for the princely sum of $50 per month (with 
*maybe* another $150 going to their families) to force them to practice TM and 
do what they're told. They even issued a press release saying that more such 
discipline is planned. 

 

 

 Well, they get room and board as well, and their contract, as far as I know, 
is to come to the USA and meditate and perform chants/rituals in exchange for 
room, board, and $200/month.
 

 If they're not keeping to the contract, the TM organization is under no 
obligation to keep them around and pay them.
 

 Or do you honestly believe that they should be kept here in the USA  even 
though they aren't fulfilling the terms of their contract?
 

 If you DO honestly think that they should be paid to sit around and do nothing 
at all, when there are likely plenty of people back in India willing to come 
take their place, I'm quite interested in hearing your reasoning...
 

 
Lawson, this is not the first time I have had occasion to question your sanity. 
Are you really trying to make a case that these pundits, most of whom were 
*sold* into indentured servitude by their parents as pre-teens (according to 
previous news reports, as early as age 8) have entered into a contract with 
the TMO and Girish  Co. 

To have compassion for the parents, the previous news reports have established 
that most of them were dirt-poor and unable to provide for their children, much 
less provide an education for them. They were promised, in addition to a 
monthly income of $150 for themselves (the average monthly income in India is 
$99) and room and board + $50 a month for the kids, an *education* for their 
kids, which *has not been provided*. No evidence has been presented to 
counteract the claims from pundits themselves that the *only* things taught to 
them were how to perform the chants. 

Are you *really* trying to make a case that children essentially sold into 
slavery by their own parents have an obligation to fulfill their contract? 

Even if you *are* trying to make this case, I'd like to hear you explain why 
they *wouldn't* practice TM. If it's as great as you've been claiming it is all 
these years, why aren't they *anxious* to sit and meditate twice a day and 
experience all that clarity and bliss? I'll wait for your answer. 

As for plenty of people back in India willing to come take their place, thank 
you for establishing your credentials as a potential slave master yourself, 
willing to exploit young brown boys to create world peace for you. 

Reposting the Carl Sagan quote, because you -- more than almost anyone on this 
forum except for maybe Nabby -- personify it. Even *feste*, whose devotion to 
TM has never been in question, has been able to wake up and smell the coffee as 
the result of this sad demonstration of the ineffectiveness of the pundit 
program. Why haven't you? Have you got an explanation for this *other* than Mr. 
Sagan's quote?

 
 Another beautiful example why Bawwy is a social misfit, someone who dismisses 
anyone else who dare question his idiotic and mostly odious theories on how 
others operate. It is like Bawwy is deathly afraid to engage one on one without 
first getting out his protective suit of armour in the form of gratuitous, 
verbal violence. Take your Facebook graphics and go play somewhere else, 
jackass. Lawson is too smart for you anyway.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?


On 3/13/2014 6:03 PM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote:
He is a little too worked up about it, being that far away, and his 
desperation is creeping me out.


So, why do you suppose he is so interested in the pundit boys? He's 
never before seemed very concerned about international students on a 
state-side work study program. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

On 3/13/2014 10:32 AM, Share Long wrote:
 What if the parent wants to enroll the child in the pundit program but 
 the child doesn't want to be a pundit?
 
Every child needs to be taught how to read and write, Share, even if 
they don't want to be pundits.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

Richard, I still say that with this kind of program, meant to create world 
peace, the participants need to voluntarily involved every step of the way. If 
a boy doesn't want to continue, then he should be allowed to leave. Otherwise 
the whole thing is flawed at the core.





On Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:55 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 
  
On 3/13/2014 10:32 AM, Share Long wrote:
 What if the parent wants to enroll the child in the pundit program but 
 the child doesn't want to be a pundit?

Every child needs to be taught how to read and write, Share, even if 
they don't want to be pundits.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?

On 3/13/2014 7:59 PM, Share Long wrote:
 I still say that with this kind of program, meant to create world 
 peace, the participants need to voluntarily involved every step of the 
 way. If a boy doesn't want to continue, then he should be allowed to 
 leave. Otherwise the whole thing is flawed at the core.
 
Until you're an adult, I think it's required for children to go to 
school in India or the U.S., even if they don't want to be pundits when 
they grow up. I asked Rita about this and she told me she went to 
Catholic schools in Detroit, not because she wanted to sing in a church 
choir, but because it's the law in the U.S. that all children have to 
attend a private or a public school, or qualify for home schooling - all 
the kids in her school had to wear uniforms and attend daily prayers in 
the chapel. Go figure.

According to my sources any adult that wants to leave the school campus 
can leave - it's a free country if you have a U.S. visa, as long as you 
stay off private property without permission. My prediction is that the 
pundits will soon be headed back to India - it may have dawned on the 
Admin that proximity is not a big factor in promoting world peace - 
there are thousands of pundit schools in India. Send the donations to 
the pundit schools in India and let Mr. Varma and his relatives run the 
campus over there. That's what I think.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: So what have we learned from the pundit riots?