Re: Ok, I give up.

[Susan Dubose]

Lovely!

Thanks so much for sharing..:)


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:17 PM
  Subject: Re: Ok, I give up.


  As a matter of fact, its funny you should send that email.  I JUST finished 
putting them all on Flickr:

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/



  I have many many more, actually, and I'll probably work on adding some of 
them slowly.  Flickr only allows you 100mb a month :)  I'll let you all know 
when I update them. 


  Michael





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Re: Ok, I give up.

[Susan Dubose]

Ahhh, adorable!

Thanks for sharing.. :)

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Melissa Lind 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 8:37 AM
  Subject: RE: Ok, I give up.


  I use google picasa. It's free too.  Here's the pics of my foster kitties:

   

  http://picasaweb.google.com/mzurovsk/Nonie?authkey=58Zh5l6swyU

   

  http://picasaweb.google.com/mzurovsk/Ashley?authkey=imb76PXJObI

   

   

   


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  Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:17 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: Ok, I give up.

   

  As a matter of fact, its funny you should send that email.  I JUST finished 
putting them all on Flickr:

   

  http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

   

   

   

  I have many many more, actually, and I'll probably work on adding some of 
them slowly.  Flickr only allows you 100mb a month :)  I'll let you all know 
when I update them. 

   

   

  Michael






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OT: cat furniture

[Susan Dubose]

Hereis the website for the cat furniture that I recently bought.

www.fandangocatfurniture.com

I have 3 of the deluxe trees trimmed out in the leopard carpet.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

RE: Another one gone

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

Tracy, I'm so sorry for your recent losses.  Gentlest of Bridge vibes to
them all, and hugs to you.  And a skritch for your little trouper, hope
he stays stable and comfortable for a long time yet.
 
Diane R.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Another one gone


 
I lost two of my FeLV+ cats in the last month, the most recent was today
when I put CW down.  She was beginning to have difficulty breathing due
to severe anemia.  I tried a transfusion (only raised the RBC from 6% to
10%) and Epogen, but today my vet and I could see that she was
becoming more and more uncomfortable and she was extremely pale, I swore
that I would not wait until it was too late, I'd rather be a day or so
too early.  We had a nice three weeks, but today, I could tell the light
had gone out in her eyes.
 
Just last month Sylvester died at home and a few months before that,
another FeLV+ cat, Herbie, had to be PTS.
 
Funny, I have a negative cat (that is 12) with stomach cancer and have
been treating him for more than 18  months (he probably had it at least
a year before).  He has not gone into remission, and we have done EVERY
chemo protocol out there, but it has stopped growing and he is like the
energizer bunny  ...  he keeps going and going and going.  I really
expected him to go long before the other three  regardless,
I miss them all.
 
 
Tracy
 

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RE: Brian

[Melissa Lind]

Sherry,

 

I'm praying for you and all the babies on Crash's website. They are all so
beautiful. I just wanted to snuggle them all-especially your one-eyed
pirate. He looks like a personality plus!

Best to all of you,


Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 6:47 AM
To: Felvot groups; Felvtalk
Subject: Brian

 

Could I get some healing prayers for this sweet boy.He is one of our Sids
kids.he had to have his ears irrigated and is having a hard time recovering
from his ear infection.Thanks so much.

Sherry

  

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RE: Lovey is gone

[Melissa Lind]

Janine, Lovey and Perry are at peace now. I hope you can find some comfort
in the furry arms of the other kitties. Stay strong! 

Melissa

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Smith
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 11:52 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Lovey is gone

Hello All,
Thank you for your help the other day.  Lovey was in liver and kidney 
failure.  His liver was 10 times smaller than normal and my vet and I 
both feel it was genetic. He was suffering so I didn't hesitate in 
letting him go. He was a beautiful, wonderful, friend with a personality 
like no other cat I have ever met. I will miss him for a long time. 

It was a tough week, I lost my mom's cat Perry last thursday.  He 
started failing and he went really fast.  We don't know what was wrong 
with him, but the vet was 100% sure there were multiple problems.  Perry 
was a very loving sweet boy, he is also missed. So, that was two friends 
gone in one week.  They were both feline leukemia positive.  Belinda, 
could you add them to the list.  Thank you, Janine

RE: Another one gone

[Melissa Lind]

Tracy, So sorry to hear of your losses. It's never easy. At least they are
happy now even if a part of you is lost each time you lose one. What a
trooper you have at home! He must be the Bruce Willis of the bunch!

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Another one gone

 

 

I lost two of my FeLV+ cats in the last month, the most recent was today
when I put CW down.  She was beginning to have difficulty breathing due to
severe anemia.  I tried a transfusion (only raised the RBC from 6% to 10%)
and Epogen, but today my vet and I could see that she was becoming more
and more uncomfortable and she was extremely pale, I swore that I would not
wait until it was too late, I'd rather be a day or so too early.  We had a
nice three weeks, but today, I could tell the light had gone out in her
eyes.

 

Just last month Sylvester died at home and a few months before that, another
FeLV+ cat, Herbie, had to be PTS.

 

Funny, I have a negative cat (that is 12) with stomach cancer and have been
treating him for more than 18  months (he probably had it at least a year
before).  He has not gone into remission, and we have done EVERY chemo
protocol out there, but it has stopped growing and he is like the energizer
bunny  ...  he keeps going and going and going.  I really expected him to go
long before the other three  regardless, I miss them all.

 

 

Tracy

 

RE: Here is the link

[Melissa Lind]

Right on Susan and Glenda! I agree Glenda with the name change idea.
Sometimes people may not even be aware of the damage they are inflicting
because of the name itself. As a veggie, I always joke to my husband and
family about the names we give meat. I ask him if he'd enjoy prime rib as
much as "partially cooked cow flesh." I think au jus tastes much better than
beef blood. I'm always amazed at tiger meat eaters (raw hamburger). I think
that names have a lot to do with our acceptance of certain customs or
traditions or whatevers. I mean, a carrot is a carrot is a carrot. There are
just not fifteen different names for it. Why do we rename other foods (like
meat), but not vegetables?  We can try to fool our brains with sanitized
versions of the truth in an attempt to deal with our own guilt, yada yada.
I'm not directing this at meat-eaters, but that's just the examples that
come to mind. It occurs with war, combat, and the like. I'll get off my
soapbox now! :-)

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 2:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Here is the link

 

Right now I know of another shelter that has 100+cats living cage free under
one roof that are not declawed.

 

Any of them.

 

There have not been any serious cat fights or injuries, either.

 

Declawing is nothing more than a mutilation.

 

And it should be illegal.

 

 

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Sherry DeHaan   

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:50 PM

Subject: Re: Here is the link

 

Hi Glenda thank you for checking out Crashs.I first of all want to say that
I too am not one for declawing!! As some of our rescue cats do come in
already declawed and yes they are declawed if they are not too old.As much
as I hate to say it,people (unlike you and I) would prefer to adopt cats
already declawed. :( Also think about over 100 cats living under the same
roof.Most get along but there could be many bad wounds from fights. Like I
said I believe as does Jen the lady that runs the places that ALOT of cats
are discarded out into the streets because they claw the furniture and etc.
And they don't take the time to try and train them to do differently.I clip
all my cats claws myself.I personally don't like it.But I can't tell her how
to run her shelter :(  I respect ALL that Jen does for the over 200 cats
that she takes in and can't say anything bad about what she does.I am sorry
if it hurts you and I respect your opinion.Thanks for your good wishes on
our sweet Brian.Oh,also all 4 of my boys came from Sids and they are
beautiful and healthy!!! If you go back and look up Mystique at Sids,she is
probably my next baby to bring home since I lost my beautiful Genevieve.Also
in the tabbies at Crashs check out Honeysuckle.I rescued her and her 5
kittens from my backyard.My boyfriend has the kittens at his house,we are
trying to get homes for them.

Sherry

glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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RE: new Cat Fancy

[Melissa Lind]

Wow Susan-you are so knowledgeable about the breeds. To me, it's the
black/white cat, the calico, the tabby. It's kind of like my mom and cars:
white car, red car, black truck, etc. Likewise, I'm not very aware when it
comes to the technical terms or the lingo for cat breeds. I'm interested
though, so I think I'll look up all the words in here that I have no visuals
for!

 

By the way-I love the name Naughty Lola! I know exactly what she's like
without meeting her. 

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: new Cat Fancy

 

 

 

Ah, on the cover is a "SelkirkRex", described as a British Shorthair
meets Rex & sometimes meets Persian

 

Finally, I have uncovered what "look" the "Frankenbreeder" from last year
was going for in my little Pugsley.

 

I kept saying to everyone (anyone that would listen!), he's so funny
looking, he's got curly fur but the face of a British Shorthair! Not like
the classic Rex!

 

So, apparently that IS a breed, but this loser was just playin' w
/genetics...

 

They come in either long or short furrage...

 

This is the same house that my Naughty Lola & Ursula (both felv+) came from,
Lola being a doll faced Persian & Ursula being a British Shorthair
Sealpoint

 

Looks like my little Pugsley on the cover only w/long fur, flamepoint & all!

 

He was a tough little cookie, medically..

 

He was @ the vet clinic for 6 months!

 

 

 

 

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<

www.petgirlspetsitting.com  

www.tx.siameserescue.org  

www.shadowcats.net  

 

   " A kitten is more amusing than half the people one

  is obligated to be with."

  Lady Sidney Morgan

 

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RE: cat furniture

[Melissa Lind]

Thanks for the link-I've printed the pics so we can make these at home. Good
winter project!

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 4:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: cat furniture

 

Hereis the website for the cat furniture that I recently bought.

 

www.fandangocatfurniture.com

 

I have 3 of the deluxe trees trimmed out in the leopard carpet.

 

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 

Re: Here is the link

[glenda Goodman]

Sherry,
 I just clicked Mystique. My computer got stuck
earlier...Anyway , she seems like an excellent little
girl to have in your home...She will take your pain
away and fill your heart. I see that she is FIV, but
not FeLV+. Does Crash'slanding seperate their FIV+
kitties from their FeLV+
 kitties ?  Taking care of her should be very easy and
rewarding...She could have a long life with you. 
 As for this organization, I will say, their layout
and every cat is beautiful. My heart  is just
stretching out of my chest for them. Bless your heart,
Sherry, for all you do. I am very sorry I get a little
up in the air over certain issues.  Please believe me,
I never mean to hurt anyone's feelings or make anyone
uncomfortable...YOU are an angel...  I know we all do
the best we can with what we can and we all feel the
same things, love, compassion, tenderness for these
guys in need.
 "The more need they have, the more we feel." 
I do love the people here too, because they are just
so special. I should be so good as to be doing what
you do. 
 Love from Nebraska,   Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Glenda thank you for checking out Crashs.I first
> of all want to say that I too am not one for
> declawing!! As some of our rescue cats do come in
> already declawed and yes they are declawed if they
> are not too old.As much as I hate to say it,people
> (unlike you and I) would prefer to adopt cats
> already declawed. :( Also think about over 100 cats
> living under the same roof.Most get along but there
> could be many bad wounds from fights. Like I said I
> believe as does Jen the lady that runs the places
> that ALOT of cats are discarded out into the streets
> because they claw the furniture and etc. And they
> don't take the time to try and train them to do
> differently.I clip all my cats claws myself.I
> personally don't like it.But I can't tell her how to
> run her shelter :(  I respect ALL that Jen does for
> the over 200 cats that she takes in and can't say
> anything bad about what she does.I am sorry if it
> hurts you and I respect your opinion.Thanks for your
> good wishes on our sweet
>  Brian.Oh,also all 4 of my boys came from Sids and
> they are beautiful and healthy!!! If you go back and
> look up Mystique at Sids,she is probably my next
> baby to bring home since I lost my beautiful
> Genevieve.Also in the tabbies at Crashs check out
> Honeysuckle.I rescued her and her 5 kittens from my
> backyard.My boyfriend has the kittens at his
> house,we are trying to get homes for them.
>   Sherry
> 
> glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Sherry,
> I clicked your site. I found Brian in the Sids
> Sanctuary. What a little angel. I see he started out
> with ear mites, so he is apparently just having a
> terrible time getting his ears cleared up,
> infections,etc.
> After reading the introduction to Crashlanding, of
> course it was so beautiful, it made me cry...I went
> next to Tabbies, my weakness and clicked on a few of
> your guys there, like Bennie and Brut...love those
> guys...I see Brut is FIV...Well then I realized
> everyone had been declawed , everyone that was not
> FeLV+. My heart just sank! Is that their policy? If
> it
> is my heart is as broken for the guys that are FeLV-
> as for the guys that are FeLV+. 
> Please let me know what is going on there with the
> declawing or please tell me it was a computer
> glitch. 
> Thank you Sherry. I do appreciate seeing where you
> are
> helping our poor little guys and my first impression
> is it is a first rate outfit...I am however, one of
> those people that is every bit as mortified of
> declawing as any cat might be...I hope they can
> someday realize that declawing is not a good thing
> to
> do to a cat...
> God bless little Brian and you too, for all you do. 
> Sincerely, Glenda
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Re: cat furniture

[Susan Dubose]

Yes, and there is absolutly NO cardboard

All wood,which makes them nice & heavy, no "tip over"..


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Melissa Lind 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:06 AM
  Subject: RE: cat furniture


  Thanks for the link-I've printed the pics so we can make these at home. Good 
winter project!

   

  Melissa

   


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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
  Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 4:22 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: OT: cat furniture

   

  Hereis the website for the cat furniture that I recently bought.

   

  www.fandangocatfurniture.com

   

  I have 3 of the deluxe trees trimmed out in the leopard carpet.

   

  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
   Trajan Tennent

   

   

   

   

Re: OT:declawing your cat is illegal...

[Kelley Saveika]

On 9/23/07, glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh well, we are just talking about cats here, so
> whatever we need to do to them, so they can please us
> humans, is all that really matters, right?
> Glenda
>
No, but there are a lot of issues associated with declawing that don't
typically get discussed.

I think this type of law is, like spay/neuter laws, well-intentioned,
but ill-advised.
Currently 25% of cat owners declaw their cats in the U.S.  We also
have millions of cats dying in shelters.  If you make declawing
illegal, the majority of those people are likely going to stop owning
cats.  So that's fully 1/4 less homes that would be available.

Now, whether or not this is bad depends upon whether or not you
believe that cats are better off dead or declawed.  Nathan Winograd
says that given the choice, a cat would beg you to declaw him rather
than kill him.  There are people who think that cats are better off
dead than declawed, and though I disagree I think we are all entitled
to our own opinions.  I would not support a law that led to 25% fewer
cat homes with the population as it is today.  Now, if the day ever
came when people were lined up begging to be allowed to adopt a cat
because there were so few of them and so many homes that wanted them,
I would probably be in favor of such a law.

My vet will declaw a cat because he believes it is better to have the
cat declawed than to have it set loose outside.
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RE: OT:declawing your cat is illegal...

[Melissa Lind]

I think that this website has some very interesting statistics. Check it
out:  http://www.pawproject.com  

 

Go to the FAQ section. Here is an answer I found interesting; I think it
(and other answers on the site) partially negates the theory that cats are
better off declawed if someone will take them. They may take them in, but
for how long? If an owner can't handle a cat with claws, he/she certainly
can't handle a cat with the resulting physical and psychological damage that
often occurs. Furthermore, if a person is educated on the atrocities of
declawing, and still insists upon it, in my opinion, he/she should not be
allowed to have pets. I think the problem is education. I think people would
not wish their pets declawed if they truly knew and understood the
alternatives and the consequences. Read on.

 

"Actually, declawed cats may be at a disadvantage. There is evidence that
declawed cats are disproportionately abandoned at shelters, and that
declawed cats may be euthanized more often because of the behavioral and
physical problems that result from declawing. Pet owners typically cite
protection of their furnishings as being foremost among their reasons for
having a cat declawed; however, such owners may not realize that the pain
and other complications from the surgery can cause behavioral problems that
are even worse than the problems for which the cat's toes were amputated. A
cat can still bite a child and may become more prone to do so if it has no
claws. A cat whose paws hurt when scratching in a litter box may avoid the
litter box altogether, a behavior that may not be tolerated by the owner.

 

Alternatives to declawing exist. Nail caps can be glued painlessly to a
cat's claws to prevent damage due to scratching. A cat can be trained to use
scratching posts to sharpen its claws without damaging furniture. Also,
regular nail trimming, repellent sprays, and double-sided tape applied to
furniture help deter a cat from unwanted scratching.

 

In a 1996 JAVMA article, Gary Patronek, VMD, PhD, using multivariate
statistical analysis, found that declawed cats were at an increased risk of
relinquishment to animal shelters and that among relinquished cats, 52.4% of
declawed cats were reported to exhibit litter box avoidance, compared to
29.1% of non-declawed cats.

 

The risk of cats being relinquished to pounds if the owner cannot declaw the
animal is grossly overestimated by the veterinary profession. In a survey of
owners of cats that had been declawed and their veterinarians, reported by
Dr. Gary Landsberg in Veterinary Forum, September 1994, only 4% of the
owners said they would have relinquished their pet had it not been declawed.
In contrast, the veterinarians in the survey speculated that 50% of the
owners would have relinquished their pets. We could reasonably expect that
if cat owners knew the risks and alternatives to declawing and if
veterinarians took a more active role in offering and assisting with the
alternatives (such as nail caps and nail trimming), the 4% figure would be
further reduced. As veterinarian Nicholas Dodman, board-certified animal
behaviorist and Professor at Tufts University School of Veterinary Medicine,
says, "There are very few people of this ilk (who would euthanize a cat if
it could not be declawed) who could not be reeducated by an enthusiastic and
well-informed veterinarian as to the inhumanity of this approach."

 

Janet Scarlett, DVM, of Cornell University, in the article, "The Role of
Veterinary Practitioners in Reducing Dog and Cat Relinquishments and
Euthanasias (JAVMA, February 1, 2002), states that client counseling is
"probably the most effective means by which veterinarians can influence the
number of dogs and cats surrendered to animal shelters today." Veterinarians
have an opportunity to intervene because people relinquishing pets are
veterinary clients. An estimated 50-70% of pets in shelters had visited the
veterinarian in the year preceding relinquishment. Yet, Dr. Scarlett
reports, "Only 25% of veterinarians routinely actively identify and treat
behavioral problems." She writes, "Less than a third felt confident of their
ability to treat common behavioral problems. Perhaps even more disturbing,
only 11.1% of veterinarians felt it was the veterinarian's responsibility,
rather than the client's, to initiate discussion about behavioral problems."
Dr. Scarlett admonishes veterinarians to ask specifically about problem
behaviors to uncover problems that clients are reluctant to mention or that
they may not realize can be modified. Once identified, appropriate
interventions can be recommended. It seems clear that the real solution to
the euthanasia concern will be convincing veterinarians to offer proper
education. Treating a behavioral problem such as scratching with a surgical
procedure is expedient, but doesn't deal the root cause and perpetuates the
misconceptions and unreasonable expectations about pet behavior that

Re: Here is the link

[Sherry DeHaan]

Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not separate the felv and the fiv.I 
wish we had the space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat ladies 
that win the lottery it will have to do!! :) I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one 
boy that tested felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2 years later 
tested negative for anything.Then I brought Genevieve home back in April,she 
was felv+.I risked it because my heart told me to bring that baby girl home to 
love her as much as possible.AND I DID!! I am getting choked up just writing 
about her.It will be 4 weeks tomorrow since she left us. :(
  You did not offend me in anyway,I just get a  bit uneasy when it comes to 
that subject.
  Thank you for checking out the fur kids.
  Sherry and her fur baby boys  Rafferty,CousCous,Xander and Tristan

glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Sherry,
I just clicked Mystique. My computer got stuck
earlier...Anyway , she seems like an excellent little
girl to have in your home...She will take your pain
away and fill your heart. I see that she is FIV, but
not FeLV+. Does Crash'slanding seperate their FIV+
kitties from their FeLV+
kitties ? Taking care of her should be very easy and
rewarding...She could have a long life with you. 
As for this organization, I will say, their layout
and every cat is beautiful. My heart is just
stretching out of my chest for them. Bless your heart,
Sherry, for all you do. I am very sorry I get a little
up in the air over certain issues. Please believe me,
I never mean to hurt anyone's feelings or make anyone
uncomfortable...YOU are an angel... I know we all do
the best we can with what we can and we all feel the
same things, love, compassion, tenderness for these
guys in need.
"The more need they have, the more we feel." 
I do love the people here too, because they are just
so special. I should be so good as to be doing what
you do. 
Love from Nebraska, Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan wrote:

> Hi Glenda thank you for checking out Crashs.I first
> of all want to say that I too am not one for
> declawing!! As some of our rescue cats do come in
> already declawed and yes they are declawed if they
> are not too old.As much as I hate to say it,people
> (unlike you and I) would prefer to adopt cats
> already declawed. :( Also think about over 100 cats
> living under the same roof.Most get along but there
> could be many bad wounds from fights. Like I said I
> believe as does Jen the lady that runs the places
> that ALOT of cats are discarded out into the streets
> because they claw the furniture and etc. And they
> don't take the time to try and train them to do
> differently.I clip all my cats claws myself.I
> personally don't like it.But I can't tell her how to
> run her shelter :( I respect ALL that Jen does for
> the over 200 cats that she takes in and can't say
> anything bad about what she does.I am sorry if it
> hurts you and I respect your opinion.Thanks for your
> good wishes on our sweet
> Brian.Oh,also all 4 of my boys came from Sids and
> they are beautiful and healthy!!! If you go back and
> look up Mystique at Sids,she is probably my next
> baby to bring home since I lost my beautiful
> Genevieve.Also in the tabbies at Crashs check out
> Honeysuckle.I rescued her and her 5 kittens from my
> backyard.My boyfriend has the kittens at his
> house,we are trying to get homes for them.
> Sherry
> 
> glenda Goodman wrote:
> Sherry,
> I clicked your site. I found Brian in the Sids
> Sanctuary. What a little angel. I see he started out
> with ear mites, so he is apparently just having a
> terrible time getting his ears cleared up,
> infections,etc.
> After reading the introduction to Crashlanding, of
> course it was so beautiful, it made me cry...I went
> next to Tabbies, my weakness and clicked on a few of
> your guys there, like Bennie and Brut...love those
> guys...I see Brut is FIV...Well then I realized
> everyone had been declawed , everyone that was not
> FeLV+. My heart just sank! Is that their policy? If
> it
> is my heart is as broken for the guys that are FeLV-
> as for the guys that are FeLV+. 
> Please let me know what is going on there with the
> declawing or please tell me it was a computer
> glitch. 
> Thank you Sherry. I do appreciate seeing where you
> are
> helping our poor little guys and my first impression
> is it is a first rate outfit...I am however, one of
> those people that is every bit as mortified of
> declawing as any cat might be...I hope they can
> someday realize that declawing is not a good thing
> to
> do to a cat...
> God bless little Brian and you too, for all you do. 
> Sincerely, Glenda
> --- Sherry DeHaan wrote:
> 
> >
> http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/crashslanding.html
> > 
> > -
> > Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo!
> Autos.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

> Got a little couch potato? 
> Check out fun summer activities for k

Autumn - Rough Time

[Susan Ang]

Wow it's been a rough time for little Autumn. We just came back from our
second vet visit in two and a half weeks. The first time Autumn was slightly
lethargic with fever and swollen glands so they put her on Amoxicillan. She
responded quickly and perked right up. However, this week she lapsed into
sleeping all the time and retreating into dark places away from people.
Friday she wasn't playing but she was still eating - though not as much.
Saturday we bought her some Innova Evo soft food which she gobbled down.
Yesterday scared me though. She quit eating except for treats and her eyes
looked glassy. She was also vomiting yellow bile. I worried about her
hydration so I used her antibiotic syringe to make her take water. That
seemed to help. Today she wouldn't even eat her treats. We took her in this
morning and the vet gave her Nutri-Cal - she ate it. He also recommended
Pedialyte (unflavored). He was very concerned for her having these kind of
symptoms so young. I asked him about Interferon-A. This is the second vet
we've talked to that doesn't treat with it. I dosed her with the antibiotic
as soon as I got her home and I also gave her more Nutri-cal. She slept
again for about an hour and a half then she got up to come see me and threw
up again. This time I gave her the Pedialyte and more Nutri-cal. She looks
better and she did a little exploring. She didn't retreat to the other room
or her carrier but stayed on the couch. They gave us some prescription food
for sick kitties and I wonder if I should start her on it right away or let
her tummy settle a bit first?
Emotionally this has been hard. I kept crying every time I thought about
life without her. She brought so much joy to our lives and we love her
dearly. Today I'm doing better because I can actually be Pro-active with the
Pedialyte, NutriCal  and antibiotics. I would give anything to have her
playing with her toys again.
How do you find a vet who treats with Interferon?
~ Susan A.

Re: OT:declawing your cat is illegal...

[Susan Dubose]

Excellent, Melissa!

They take them until they figure out that the cat now bites when it feels the 
least bit threatened or it pees & poops everywhere EXCEPT the litterbox due to 
the pain in it's paws from being multilated.

Those were ALWAYS the reasons people would try & dump them@ the shelter that I 
worked @.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Melissa Lind 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:06 PM
  Subject: RE: OT:declawing your cat is illegal...


  I think that this website has some very interesting statistics. Check it out: 
 http://www.pawproject.com

   

  Go to the FAQ section. Here is an answer I found interesting; I think it (and 
other answers on the site) partially negates the theory that cats are better 
off declawed if someone will take them. They may take them in, but for how 
long? If an owner can't handle a cat with claws, he/she certainly can't handle 
a cat with the resulting physical and psychological damage that often occurs. 
Furthermore, if a person is educated on the atrocities of declawing, and still 
insists upon it, in my opinion, he/she should not be allowed to have pets. I 
think the problem is education. I think people would not wish their pets 
declawed if they truly knew and understood the alternatives and the 
consequences. Read on.

   

  "Actually, declawed cats may be at a disadvantage. There is evidence that 
declawed cats are disproportionately abandoned at shelters, and that declawed 
cats may be euthanized more often because of the behavioral and physical 
problems that result from declawing. Pet owners typically cite protection of 
their furnishings as being foremost among their reasons for having a cat 
declawed; however, such owners may not realize that the pain and other 
complications from the surgery can cause behavioral problems that are even 
worse than the problems for which the cat's toes were amputated. A cat can 
still bite a child and may become more prone to do so if it has no claws. A cat 
whose paws hurt when scratching in a litter box may avoid the litter box 
altogether, a behavior that may not be tolerated by the owner.

   

  Alternatives to declawing exist. Nail caps can be glued painlessly to a cat's 
claws to prevent damage due to scratching. A cat can be trained to use 
scratching posts to sharpen its claws without damaging furniture. Also, regular 
nail trimming, repellent sprays, and double-sided tape applied to furniture 
help deter a cat from unwanted scratching.

   

  In a 1996 JAVMA article, Gary Patronek, VMD, PhD, using multivariate 
statistical analysis, found that declawed cats were at an increased risk of 
relinquishment to animal shelters and that among relinquished cats, 52.4% of 
declawed cats were reported to exhibit litter box avoidance, compared to 29.1% 
of non-declawed cats.

   

  The risk of cats being relinquished to pounds if the owner cannot declaw the 
animal is grossly overestimated by the veterinary profession. In a survey of 
owners of cats that had been declawed and their veterinarians, reported by Dr. 
Gary Landsberg in Veterinary Forum, September 1994, only 4% of the owners said 
they would have relinquished their pet had it not been declawed. In contrast, 
the veterinarians in the survey speculated that 50% of the owners would have 
relinquished their pets. We could reasonably expect that if cat owners knew the 
risks and alternatives to declawing and if veterinarians took a more active 
role in offering and assisting with the alternatives (such as nail caps and 
nail trimming), the 4% figure would be further reduced. As veterinarian 
Nicholas Dodman, board-certified animal behaviorist and Professor at Tufts 
University School of Veterinary Medicine, says, "There are very few people of 
this ilk (who would euthanize a cat if it could not be declawed) who could not 
be reeducated by an enthusiastic and well-informed veterinarian as to the 
inhumanity of this approach."

   

  Janet Scarlett, DVM, of Cornell University, in the article, "The Role of 
Veterinary Practitioners in Reducing Dog and Cat Relinquishments and 
Euthanasias (JAVMA, February 1, 2002), states that client counseling is 
"probably the most effective means by which veterinarians can influence the 
number of dogs and cats surrendered to animal shelters today." Veterinarians 
have an opportunity to intervene because people relinquishing pets are 
veterinary clients. An estimated 50-70% of pets in shelters had visited the 
veterinarian in the year preceding relinquishmen

Re: Here is the link

[Susan Dubose]

WHAT?

This shelter does not separate fiv+ and felv+.?

What kind of place is this?

Why would you expose a fiv+ cat to felv?

And vice versa?


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaan 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:10 PM
  Subject: Re: Here is the link


  Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not separate the felv and the fiv.I 
wish we had the space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat ladies 
that win the lottery it will have to do!! :) I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one 
boy that tested felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2 years later 
tested negative for anything.Then I brought Genevieve home back in April,she 
was felv+.I risked it because my heart told me to bring that baby girl home to 
love her as much as possible.AND I DID!! I am getting choked up just writing 
about her.It will be 4 weeks tomorrow since she left us. :(
  You did not offend me in anyway,I just get a  bit uneasy when it comes to 
that subject.
  Thank you for checking out the fur kids.
  Sherry and her fur baby boys  Rafferty,CousCous,Xander and Tristan

  glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

RE: OT:declawing your cat is illegal...

[Melissa Lind]

Actually, Glenda found the website, but I've been exploring it today,
getting some ideas for creating some educational literature to pass around
at vet's offices, pet stores, anyone who will listen. 

 

I dated a guy once who had a declawed kitty that was very mean and not a
little bit psycho. My friend also has two declawed kitties. One continually
hides from people, and the other is just unbalanced (in the head I mean). I
don't know if her cats' problems are a direct result of the declaw. She had
that done at the time of the spays when they were kittens. What a traumatic
thing to go through all at once.

 

The groomer at my old vet's office said she'd much rather groom a cat with
claws than one without. She said that the majority of declawed cats she
encounters are mean and bite a lot.

 

Melissa

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT:declawing your cat is illegal...

 

Excellent, Melissa!

 

They take them until they figure out that the cat now bites when it feels
the least bit threatened or it pees & poops everywhere EXCEPT the litterbox
due to the pain in it's paws from being multilated.

 

Those were ALWAYS the reasons people would try & dump them@ the shelter that
I worked @.

 

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Melissa Lind   

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:06 PM

Subject: RE: OT:declawing your cat is illegal...

 

I think that this website has some very interesting statistics. Check it
out:  http://www.pawproject.com

 

Go to the FAQ section. Here is an answer I found interesting; I think it
(and other answers on the site) partially negates the theory that cats are
better off declawed if someone will take them. They may take them in, but
for how long? If an owner can't handle a cat with claws, he/she certainly
can't handle a cat with the resulting physical and psychological damage that
often occurs. Furthermore, if a person is educated on the atrocities of
declawing, and still insists upon it, in my opinion, he/she should not be
allowed to have pets. I think the problem is education. I think people would
not wish their pets declawed if they truly knew and understood the
alternatives and the consequences. Read on.

 

"Actually, declawed cats may be at a disadvantage. There is evidence that
declawed cats are disproportionately abandoned at shelters, and that
declawed cats may be euthanized more often because of the behavioral and
physical problems that result from declawing. Pet owners typically cite
protection of their furnishings as being foremost among their reasons for
having a cat declawed; however, such owners may not realize that the pain
and other complications from the surgery can cause behavioral problems that
are even worse than the problems for which the cat's toes were amputated. A
cat can still bite a child and may become more prone to do so if it has no
claws. A cat whose paws hurt when scratching in a litter box may avoid the
litter box altogether, a behavior that may not be tolerated by the owner.

 

Alternatives to declawing exist. Nail caps can be glued painlessly to a
cat's claws to prevent damage due to scratching. A cat can be trained to use
scratching posts to sharpen its claws without damaging furniture. Also,
regular nail trimming, repellent sprays, and double-sided tape applied to
furniture help deter a cat from unwanted scratching.

 

In a 1996 JAVMA article, Gary Patronek, VMD, PhD, using multivariate
statistical analysis, found that declawed cats were at an increased risk of
relinquishment to animal shelters and that among relinquished cats, 52.4% of
declawed cats were reported to exhibit litter box avoidance, compared to
29.1% of non-declawed cats.

 

The risk of cats being relinquished to pounds if the owner cannot declaw the
animal is grossly overestimated by the veterinary profession. In a survey of
owners of cats that had been declawed and their veterinarians, reported by
Dr. Gary Landsberg in Veterinary Forum, September 1994, only 4% of the
owners said they would have relinquished their pet had it not been declawed.
In contrast, the veterinarians in the survey speculated that 50% of the
owners would have relinquished their pets. We could reasonably expect that
if cat owners knew the risks and alternatives to declawing and if
veterinarians took a more active role in offering and assisting with the
alternatives (su

Re: Autumn - Rough Time

[Lance]

Hi Susan,

I'm sorry to hear that little Autumn hasn't been feeling well. Being
proactive
definitely helps, for Autumn and for you.

As for finding a vet who uses interferon, the best way is probably to
call
vets in your area, especially  cat-only vets. I was very fortunate
in finding my vet right after getting Ember's positive test results from
a fairly
unhelpful vet. When calling, I'd ask the vet what experience they have
with
FeLV+ cats and what they tend to recommend when a cat tests positive,
with
or without symptoms. 

I hope Autumn starts to feel better soon. If you have to tempt her to
eat, Sheba
works well. Ember likes Innova EVO, but she LOVES Sheba. Take care.


Lance


On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:16:50 -0500, "Susan Ang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> Wow it's been a rough time for little Autumn. We just came back from our
> second vet visit in two and a half weeks. The first time Autumn was
> slightly
> lethargic with fever and swollen glands so they put her on Amoxicillan.
> She
> responded quickly and perked right up. However, this week she lapsed into
> sleeping all the time and retreating into dark places away from people.
> Friday she wasn't playing but she was still eating - though not as much.
> Saturday we bought her some Innova Evo soft food which she gobbled down.
> Yesterday scared me though. She quit eating except for treats and her
> eyes
> looked glassy. She was also vomiting yellow bile. I worried about her
> hydration so I used her antibiotic syringe to make her take water. That
> seemed to help. Today she wouldn't even eat her treats. We took her in
> this
> morning and the vet gave her Nutri-Cal - she ate it. He also recommended
> Pedialyte (unflavored). He was very concerned for her having these kind
> of
> symptoms so young. I asked him about Interferon-A. This is the second vet
> we've talked to that doesn't treat with it. I dosed her with the
> antibiotic
> as soon as I got her home and I also gave her more Nutri-cal. She slept
> again for about an hour and a half then she got up to come see me and
> threw
> up again. This time I gave her the Pedialyte and more Nutri-cal. She
> looks
> better and she did a little exploring. She didn't retreat to the other
> room
> or her carrier but stayed on the couch. They gave us some prescription
> food
> for sick kitties and I wonder if I should start her on it right away or
> let
> her tummy settle a bit first?
> Emotionally this has been hard. I kept crying every time I thought about
> life without her. She brought so much joy to our lives and we love her
> dearly. Today I'm doing better because I can actually be Pro-active with
> the
> Pedialyte, NutriCal  and antibiotics. I would give anything to have her
> playing with her toys again.
> How do you find a vet who treats with Interferon?
> ~ Susan A.
-- 
  Lance Linimon
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Autumn - Rough Time

[Melissa Lind]

Susan,

 

I'm so sorry to hear about Autumn's troubles. It's so heart-breaking to see
them go through this, and it just doesn't seem fair. How old is little
Autumn? I don't know anything about vets and Interferon, but I do know that
you are a wonderful person for helping this little soul. I hope she
improves, and I hope that you find joy in her small triumphs. Stay strong
for Autumn, and believe that she'll do well. She'll pick up on your
confidence and your vibes, and of course she already knows how much you love
her. Give her a snuggle and a smooch for me.

 

Melissa

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Ang
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Autumn - Rough Time

 

Wow it's been a rough time for little Autumn. We just came back from our
second vet visit in two and a half weeks. The first time Autumn was slightly
lethargic with fever and swollen glands so they put her on Amoxicillan. She
responded quickly and perked right up. However, this week she lapsed into
sleeping all the time and retreating into dark places away from people.
Friday she wasn't playing but she was still eating - though not as much.
Saturday we bought her some Innova Evo soft food which she gobbled down.
Yesterday scared me though. She quit eating except for treats and her eyes
looked glassy. She was also vomiting yellow bile. I worried about her
hydration so I used her antibiotic syringe to make her take water. That
seemed to help. Today she wouldn't even eat her treats. We took her in this
morning and the vet gave her Nutri-Cal - she ate it. He also recommended
Pedialyte (unflavored). He was very concerned for her having these kind of
symptoms so young. I asked him about Interferon-A. This is the second vet
we've talked to that doesn't treat with it. I dosed her with the antibiotic
as soon as I got her home and I also gave her more Nutri-cal. She slept
again for about an hour and a half then she got up to come see me and threw
up again. This time I gave her the Pedialyte and more Nutri-cal. She looks
better and she did a little exploring. She didn't retreat to the other room
or her carrier but stayed on the couch. They gave us some prescription food
for sick kitties and I wonder if I should start her on it right away or let
her tummy settle a bit first? 
Emotionally this has been hard. I kept crying every time I thought about
life without her. She brought so much joy to our lives and we love her
dearly. Today I'm doing better because I can actually be Pro-active with the
Pedialyte, NutriCal  and antibiotics. I would give anything to have her
playing with her toys again. 
How do you find a vet who treats with Interferon?
~ Susan A.

Recommendations from UTCVM

[ofalegend]

Hey all,


?


As promised, below is the written recommendations from UTCVM on Poppy and 
Grizzabella.? Thoughts?



__


?


Subject: Current FeLV recommendations







Mr. Roberts, I apologize again for the delay.? Here are discharge instructions 
for "the girls".? Please let us know if we can be of any further assistance.? 
The format is a little skewed, but should still be readable.


Thank you!


emily


?




TITLE: DISCHARGE INSTRUCTIONS 


DATE OF NOTE: SEP 22, [EMAIL PROTECTED]:49 ENTRY DATE: SEP 22, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]:50:08 


AUTHOR: JAMES,TERI-LEE EXP COSIGNER: PURVIS,EMILY D 


URGENCY: STATUS: UNCOSIGNED 


(19-27-27) GRIZZABELLA 


?


DR. TODD DOLEN


CREEKSIDE ANIMAL HOSPITAL


1209 HIGHWAY 68


SWEETWATER, TN 37874


FS 2002 SEL/PNT 


---


DATE OF ADMISSION: SEP 11, [EMAIL PROTECTED]:45


DATE OF DISCHARGE: SEP 11, 2007


CLINICIAN(S): Emily Purvis DVM


STUDENT: Teri-Lee James, Senior Student


?


===


Diagnosis - Feline Leukemia Virus, positive ELISA adn IFA


Thank you for bringing Poppie and Grizzabella to UTCVM!


Poppie and Grizzabella were referred to UTCVM because they tested positive for 


FeLV at your referring veterinarian's office.


On physical exam both Poppie and Grizzabella appeared to be in good health and 


all of their physical parameters were within normal limits.


We took a blood sample from both cats and submitted them for an ELISA and an 
IFA 


test for FeLV. The ELISA test was initially positive at Dr. Dolen's office, but 


sometimes that can be false, so we retested. The ELISA tests for viral antigens 


circulating freely in the cats' bloodstream. The IFA test detects antigen 


present on infected blood cells and indicates bone marrow infection.


Both Poppie and Grizzabella tested positive on both tests, indicating that the 


virus has infected their bone marrow. Most cats that test positive on the IFA 


test remain persistently infected for life.


FeLV is transmitted from cat to cat via the oronasal route and by bite wounds. 


The virus replicates in lymphoid tissue and travels via infected cells to the 


spleen, thymus and to lymph nodes throughout the body as well as to the 
salivary 


glands. Eventually the bone marrow becomes infected, producing infected white 


blood cells and platelets. 


Many cats remain asymptomatic throughout life. Weight loss is the most common 


clinical sign, followed by fever, dehydration, rhinitis (nose infections), 


diarrhea, conjunctivitis (redness of the eyes) and oral infection. Infected 


cats may also develop bone marrow disorders, such as decreased red or white 


blood cell lines. FeLV infected cats also are at a higher risk developing 


lymphoma (cancer) and secondary infections due to immune suppression. 


Treatment for FeLV may include immune-modulating and antiviral medications. 


However, these treatments have not been shown to be particularly effective in 


many cases, particularly if cats are not showing clinical signs associated with 


the disease. 


CARE REQUIRED:


At this time we recommend that Poppie and Grizzabella have a complete blood 


count, blood chemistry with electrolytes, and urinalysis performed as a 
baseline 


evaluation. This can be done at your referring veterinarian's office or at 


UTCVM. Depending on the results of these tests additional diagnostic work may 


be indicated, including urine culture, thoracic and abdominal radiographs 
and/or 


abdominal ultrasound.


Poppie and Grizzabella should continue to have annual physicals and semi-annual 


labwork performed. Often times, changes on the labwork precede actual illness, 


so frequent monitoring can sometimes catch a problem early. If they have any 


abnormalities in their bloodwork or other diagnostic tests now or at some time 


in the future it may be appropriate to start one of the immune modulating 


medications that is available.


Thank you again for entrusting us with the care of your beloved pets. If you 


have any further questions of concerns please do not hesitate to call.





Emily?Purvis DVM

University?of?Tennessee

Veterinary?Teaching?Hospital

Small?Animal?Intern



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Re: OT:declawing your cat is illegal...

[Kelley Saveika]

I'm not really sure I buy the theory that declawed cats are more
likely to have behavioral problems.  I've seen a lot of cats, both
clawed and declawed, and behavioral problems seem to be about the same
in both groups.  We currently have a 12.5 year old declawed cat who is
probably the sweetest cat ever.  Similarly we have fully clawed cats
who have had terrible behavioral problems.  It just seems to be pretty
random to me.

Nationally, about 25% of cats are declawed.  I'd be interested to see
the studies that purport that they are turned in to shelters in
disproportionate numbers.  If this is the case, it doesn't seem to be
the case locally.   Also if they are turned in to shelters in
disproportionate numbers, I'd like to know if the clawed cats are just
turned loose somewhere, as opposed to being turned in to a shelter.

I did speak to my vet about it and he says there is no hard evidence
of any correlation between behavior and status of claws.   Lots of
people I really like have declawed cats, including my vet's
receptionist.   I continue to believe that cats are better off
declawed than dead, and if you have to make the correlation YES I
would rather have the tips of my fingers chopped off than be killed.

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Re: OT:declawing your cat is illegal...

[ofalegend]

Not that my opinion matters, but I'd personally have a difficult time accepting 
someone's (a veterinarian that declaws) word on something who stands to gain 
(financially) from declawing cats. ? 




If you want a case study, take a look: 
http://www.pawproject.com/html/cases.asp?SortOrder=5









>


?


The above is from the same website.? Its a scientific article from the JAVMA.? 
I'm sure if you look up the articles in the actual publicans you'll find the 
citations you wanted to see. 


?


I think the source seems pretty reliable.? At least it does from my 
perspective.? Then again, maybe we see what we want to see a lot of the time.


?


It just breaks my heart to see or hear of cats being declawed.? I'll have to 
agree with those who think its a horrible practice that should be illegal.? Dog 
and cockfighting is illegal, all the same.? Does the pain a dog feels from 
dogbites hurt any less than the pain a cat feels from having its toes amputated?



-Original Message-

From: Kelley Saveika 

To: Sent: Mon, Sep 24 4:24 PM

Subject: Re: OT:declawing your cat is illegal...





I'm not really sure I buy the theory that declawed cats are more  likely to 
have behavioral problems.  I've seen a lot of cats, both  clawed and declawed, 
and behavioral problems seem to be about the same  in both groups.  We 
currently have a 12.5 year old declawed cat who is  probably the sweetest cat 
ever.  Similarly we have fully clawed cats  who have had terrible behavioral 
problems.  It just seems to be pretty  random to me.Nationally, about 25% 
of cats are declawed.  I'd be interested to see  the studies that purport that 
they are turned in to shelters in  disproportionate numbers.  If this is the 
case, it doesn't seem to be  the case locally.   Also if they are turned in to 
shelters in  disproportionate numbers, I'd like to know if the clawed cats are 
just  turned loose somewhere, as opposed to being turned in to a shelter.I 
did speak to my vet about it and he says there is no hard evidence  of any 
correlation between behavior and status of claws.   Lots of  people I really 
like have declawed cats, including my vet's  receptionist.   I continue to 
believe that cats are better off  declawed than dead, and if you have to make 
the correlation YES I  would rather have the tips of my fingers chopped off 
than be killed.--   Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
http://www.rescuties.orgVist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!
http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20Please help George!
http://rescuties.chipin.com/georgeI GoodSearch for Rescuties.Raise 
money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the  Internet with 
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Re: OT:declawing your cat is illegal...

[Kelley Saveika]

On 9/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not that my opinion matters, but I'd personally have a difficult time
> accepting someone's (a veterinarian that declaws) word on something who
> stands to gain (financially) from declawing cats. 
>
> If you want a case study, take a look:
> http://www.pawproject.com/html/cases.asp?SortOrder=5
>
>
> < statistical analysis, found that declawed cats were at an increased risk of
> relinquishment to animal shelters and that among relinquished cats, 52.4% of
> declawed cats were reported to exhibit litter box avoidance, compared to
> 29.1% of non-declawed cats.>>
>
> The above is from the same website.  Its a scientific article from the
> JAVMA.  I'm sure if you look up the articles in the actual publicans you'll
> find the citations you wanted to see.
>
> I think the source seems pretty reliable.  At least it does from my
> perspective.  Then again, maybe we see what we want to see a lot of the
> time.
>
> It just breaks my heart to see or hear of cats being declawed.  I'll have to
> agree with those who think its a horrible practice that should be illegal.
> Dog and cockfighting is illegal, all the same.  Does the pain a dog feels
> from dogbites hurt any less than the pain a cat feels from having its toes
> amputated?

I would say almost certainly dog bites hurt a great deal more than
declawing, since declawing is done under anesthesia and the cat gets
supportive care including pain medication after declawing.

I know this is a hot issue for a lot of people.  I'm just a lot more
concerned with the millions of cats that are killed every year in
shelters than the ones who are declawed.  Maybe after it is against
the law to kill animals that aren't suffering from terminal conditions
then I will take up the declawing fight.  Right now, my mission is to
stop the killing.

I get that other peoples' missions are different, and that's ok.  I
just want the killing to end - after that I will worry about other
things.

-- 
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http://www.rescuties.org

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Re: Here is the link

[Sherry DeHaan]

Well I guess it is either that or just them die without a chance to live at 
all.You can only do so much with what you can.
  So I guess now you think this is a horrible place??
  This place gives them ALL a second chance to have any kind of life at all !!
Believe me I'm sure in a PERFECT world this would be different.
  If you knew everything  the lady that runs both sanctuaries does for these 
wonderful beings,how many times she fought for thier lives(including the fiv 
felv)she brought them home to her house to nurse them back to health.We do the 
best we can.
Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  WHAT?
   
  This shelter does not separate fiv+ and felv+.?
   
  What kind of place is this?
   
  Why would you expose a fiv+ cat to felv?
   
  And vice versa?
   
   
  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent
   
   
   
   
- Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaan 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:10 PM
  Subject: Re: Here is the link
  

  Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not separate the felv and the fiv.I 
wish we had the space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat ladies 
that win the lottery it will have to do!! :) I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one 
boy that tested felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2 years later 
tested negative for anything.Then I brought Genevieve home back in April,she 
was felv+.I risked it because my heart told me to bring that baby girl home to 
love her as much as possible.AND I DID!! I am getting choked up just writing 
about her.It will be 4 weeks tomorrow since she left us. :(
  You did not offend me in anyway,I just get a  bit uneasy when it comes to 
that subject.
  Thank you for checking out the fur kids.
  Sherry and her fur baby boys  Rafferty,CousCous,Xander and Tristan

glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


   
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Re: Here is the link

[glenda Goodman]

Sherry, 
She is absolutely beautiful. I have to tell you, when
I realized the thinking behind how your shelter, where
you volunteer, with the declawing policy and reading
about the section for the special needs kitties I
thought I would ask if the FIV+ kitties were mixed
with the FeLV+ kitties.  I do not think I am
surprised...
Sherry I am trying to control my emotions ,but I have
to tell you I am scared to death for these two groups
of cats. I am believing/hoping your girl Mystique is
vaccinated...that could help, but she is at terrible
risk. Her immune system is already compromised by the
FIV. I cannot implore you strongly enough to please
get her out of Crash'slanding ASAP! 
You have been lucky with your FIV kitties and
especially with your kitty who threw the FIV. When I
read about the beautiful Mystique, I felt relieved
that she was only FIV+. I felt you would have good
luck with her and she might live a pretty normal life.
The fact she is in a situation where she can contract
the FeLV virus any day now, is making me a little
crazy...I worry about her and everyone else in that
environment...and what about the kitties that might
possibly be able one day, to throw one of the viruses
or the other? What chance do any of them really
have...They are at huge risk of getting THE OTHER
virus. There has to be a way to seperate the two
groups. FIV+ kitties have such a better chance , but
here they are almost certainly, over time going to
become FeLV+ too. 
You need to get Mystique out of there. You should have
her tested for both FIV and FeLV, just so you know,
what you will be dealing with. Then have her tested
again in 4-6 months. If she is FeLV- you are both
blessed. If I were you, I'd want to know, for myself,
if she is really FIV+. 
Crash'slanding comes across beautifully on it's intro
page and it is set up well to navigate through. The
kitties are beautiful. Their stories are well written
and touching. This is a nokill shelter, right? The way
it appears to me, is a showplace type of place, that
collects cats,  donations ,but seriously needs to
become a bit more cat- friendly...Besides taking in
these cats, are they really doing what is best for
each cat?  If they cannot seperate the FIV+ cats from
the FeLV+ cats they should only be dealing with cats
with one disease or the other  disease and let another
shelter deal with the other... 
Do they get a lot of volunteers as sweet as you? Well,
they are lucky if they do. Nobody is driving a
cadillac are they...bad joke, sorry. 
I have one FeLV+ cat in my household of 7-cats. All my
cats are vaccinated. Yet I am very, very careful my
negatives do not come into contact with my one
positive, little girl. If I found out I had a FIV+ cat
in my household I would possibly allow him to continue
as always with his brothers, but if anyone were to
turn up FeLV+ it is quarantine time. FIV is a far
easier disease to deal with.  
I'm in the process of having all my guys tested again,
because my guys do get outside at times, supervised,
as they are and as confident as I am they have not run
into any positive, strange kitties out there, I still
believe in knowing their health status every year or
so...This, because I do not believe in putting any of
my kitties in harm's way. If I were perfect, they
would never get outside, at ever, but I love for them
to have fun in the yard...I get weak when they beg...I
am a bad mommy for that, but I take that risk for the,
quality of life, argument...
Well, I have done enough damage for one day...Sherry,
thank you. And please do not hate me, because ...I do
not trust people...
Love and best wishes from Nebraska, 
Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not
> separate the felv and the fiv.I wish we had the
> space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat
> ladies that win the lottery it will have to do!! :)
> I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one boy that tested
> felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2
> years later tested negative for anything.Then I
> brought Genevieve home back in April,she was felv+.I
> risked it because my heart told me to bring that
> baby girl home to love her as much as possible.AND I
> DID!! I am getting choked up just writing about
> her.It will be 4 weeks tomorrow since she left us.
> :(
>   You did not offend me in anyway,I just get a  bit
> uneasy when it comes to that subject.
>   Thank you for checking out the fur kids.
>   Sherry and her fur baby boys 
> Rafferty,CousCous,Xander and Tristan
> 
> glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   Sherry,
> I just clicked Mystique. My computer got stuck
> earlier...Anyway , she seems like an excellent
> little
> girl to have in your home...She will take your pain
> away and fill your heart. I see that she is FIV, but
> not FeLV+. Does Crash'slanding seperate their FIV+
> kitties from their FeLV+
> kitties ? Taking care of her should be very easy and
> rewarding...She could have a long life with yo

Re: Here is the link

[Susan Dubose]

Sorry, but it is irresponsible to deliberately expose cats w/already 
compromised immune systems from one deadly disease to another deadly disease..

That is just bad news.

And no, you cannot save them all.

And if you try, well, that's another can of worms.

I am entitled to my opinion, and so are you.

However, I have had to play "cleanup" on too many "well intented" sanctuaries 
and /or rescue people, so, I've just about seen it all.

Not to mention that this is just how I got my felv+/fiv+ cats in the first 
place.

>From "rescue" people that were in over their heads, mixing various dieases due 
>to an "imperfect world".

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaan 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Here is the link


  Well I guess it is either that or just them die without a chance to live at 
all.You can only do so much with what you can.
  So I guess now you think this is a horrible place??
  This place gives them ALL a second chance to have any kind of life at all !!
  Believe me I'm sure in a PERFECT world this would be different.
  If you knew everything  the lady that runs both sanctuaries does for these 
wonderful beings,how many times she fought for thier lives(including the fiv 
felv)she brought them home to her house to nurse them back to health.We do the 
best we can.
  Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
WHAT?

This shelter does not separate fiv+ and felv+.?

What kind of place is this?

Why would you expose a fiv+ cat to felv?

And vice versa?


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

arrrggghhh.....! Part II.!

[Susan Dubose]

This "shelter"mixes felv+ cats w/ fiv+ cats,due to lack of space to separate..! 
 Read below.

What kind of hellhole is this?

It's called "crash landing"

PLease do not forward..



Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: Susan Dubose 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: Here is the link


Sorry, but it is irresponsible to deliberately expose cats w/already 
compromised immune systems from one deadly disease to another deadly disease..

That is just bad news.

And no, you cannot save them all.

And if you try, well, that's another can of worms.

I am entitled to my opinion, and so are you.

However, I have had to play "cleanup" on too many "well intented" sanctuaries 
and /or rescue people, so, I've just about seen it all.

Not to mention that this is just how I got my felv+/fiv+ cats in the first 
place.

>From "rescue" people that were in over their heads, mixing various dieases due 
>to an "imperfect world".

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaan 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Here is the link


  Well I guess it is either that or just them die without a chance to live at 
all.You can only do so much with what you can.
  So I guess now you think this is a horrible place??
  This place gives them ALL a second chance to have any kind of life at all !!
  Believe me I'm sure in a PERFECT world this would be different.
  If you knew everything  the lady that runs both sanctuaries does for these 
wonderful beings,how many times she fought for thier lives(including the fiv 
felv)she brought them home to her house to nurse them back to health.We do the 
best we can.
  Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
WHAT?

This shelter does not separate fiv+ and felv+.?

What kind of place is this?

Why would you expose a fiv+ cat to felv?

And vice versa?


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

Re: Here is the link

[Sherry DeHaan]

Glenda I DO NOT hate anybody,but I do get tired of defending the way Crash's 
landing is run.It is run by a licensed vet and she is a wonderful human with a 
big heart.The fiv cats are vaccinated for felv and yes we know it is not 100% 
safe.But it is either this or death.We love each and every one of those cats 
with all our hearts and yes ALL the volunteers are very kind people.It is a no 
kill shelter and I am very proud of being a part of it.Not everyone is EVER 
going to agree on EVERYTHING that people do.So we just should respect each 
other for the loving we have for these animals in our lives.

glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Sherry, 
She is absolutely beautiful. I have to tell you, when
I realized the thinking behind how your shelter, where
you volunteer, with the declawing policy and reading
about the section for the special needs kitties I
thought I would ask if the FIV+ kitties were mixed
with the FeLV+ kitties. I do not think I am
surprised...
Sherry I am trying to control my emotions ,but I have
to tell you I am scared to death for these two groups
of cats. I am believing/hoping your girl Mystique is
vaccinated...that could help, but she is at terrible
risk. Her immune system is already compromised by the
FIV. I cannot implore you strongly enough to please
get her out of Crash'slanding ASAP! 
You have been lucky with your FIV kitties and
especially with your kitty who threw the FIV. When I
read about the beautiful Mystique, I felt relieved
that she was only FIV+. I felt you would have good
luck with her and she might live a pretty normal life.
The fact she is in a situation where she can contract
the FeLV virus any day now, is making me a little
crazy...I worry about her and everyone else in that
environment...and what about the kitties that might
possibly be able one day, to throw one of the viruses
or the other? What chance do any of them really
have...They are at huge risk of getting THE OTHER
virus. There has to be a way to seperate the two
groups. FIV+ kitties have such a better chance , but
here they are almost certainly, over time going to
become FeLV+ too. 
You need to get Mystique out of there. You should have
her tested for both FIV and FeLV, just so you know,
what you will be dealing with. Then have her tested
again in 4-6 months. If she is FeLV- you are both
blessed. If I were you, I'd want to know, for myself,
if she is really FIV+. 
Crash'slanding comes across beautifully on it's intro
page and it is set up well to navigate through. The
kitties are beautiful. Their stories are well written
and touching. This is a nokill shelter, right? The way
it appears to me, is a showplace type of place, that
collects cats, donations ,but seriously needs to
become a bit more cat- friendly...Besides taking in
these cats, are they really doing what is best for
each cat? If they cannot seperate the FIV+ cats from
the FeLV+ cats they should only be dealing with cats
with one disease or the other disease and let another
shelter deal with the other... 
Do they get a lot of volunteers as sweet as you? Well,
they are lucky if they do. Nobody is driving a
cadillac are they...bad joke, sorry. 
I have one FeLV+ cat in my household of 7-cats. All my
cats are vaccinated. Yet I am very, very careful my
negatives do not come into contact with my one
positive, little girl. If I found out I had a FIV+ cat
in my household I would possibly allow him to continue
as always with his brothers, but if anyone were to
turn up FeLV+ it is quarantine time. FIV is a far
easier disease to deal with. 
I'm in the process of having all my guys tested again,
because my guys do get outside at times, supervised,
as they are and as confident as I am they have not run
into any positive, strange kitties out there, I still
believe in knowing their health status every year or
so...This, because I do not believe in putting any of
my kitties in harm's way. If I were perfect, they
would never get outside, at ever, but I love for them
to have fun in the yard...I get weak when they beg...I
am a bad mommy for that, but I take that risk for the,
quality of life, argument...
Well, I have done enough damage for one day...Sherry,
thank you. And please do not hate me, because ...I do
not trust people...
Love and best wishes from Nebraska, 
Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan wrote:

> Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not
> separate the felv and the fiv.I wish we had the
> space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat
> ladies that win the lottery it will have to do!! :)
> I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one boy that tested
> felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2
> years later tested negative for anything.Then I
> brought Genevieve home back in April,she was felv+.I
> risked it because my heart told me to bring that
> baby girl home to love her as much as possible.AND I
> DID!! I am getting choked up just writing about
> her.It will be 4 weeks tomorrow since she left us.
> :(
> You did not offend me in anyway,I just g

Re: Here is the link

[Sherry DeHaan]

Susan yes you are entitled to your opinion.But do you seriously think death 
would be a better alternative!! THe vet that runs it all has a hard time 
turning away any cat and for that I respect her.I promise you will not have to 
CLEANUP after this shelter.She is a smart lady and knows our limits.So I will 
proudly keep loving and helping out with these beautiful animals and thank you 
for doing what you do.

Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Sorry, but it is irresponsible to deliberately expose cats w/already 
compromised immune systems from one deadly disease to another deadly disease..
   
  That is just bad news.
   
  And no, you cannot save them all.
  
And if you try, well, that's another can of worms.
   
  I am entitled to my opinion, and so are you.
   
  However, I have had to play "cleanup" on too many "well intented" sanctuaries 
and /or rescue people, so, I've just about seen it all.
   
  Not to mention that this is just how I got my felv+/fiv+ cats in the first 
place.
   
  From "rescue" people that were in over their heads, mixing various dieases 
due to an "imperfect world".
   
  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent
   
   
   
   
- Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaan 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Here is the link
  

  Well I guess it is either that or just them die without a chance to live at 
all.You can only do so much with what you can.
  So I guess now you think this is a horrible place??
  This place gives them ALL a second chance to have any kind of life at all !!
Believe me I'm sure in a PERFECT world this would be different.
  If you knew everything  the lady that runs both sanctuaries does for these 
wonderful beings,how many times she fought for thier lives(including the fiv 
felv)she brought them home to her house to nurse them back to health.We do the 
best we can.
Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  WHAT?
   
  This shelter does not separate fiv+ and felv+.?
   
  What kind of place is this?
   
  Why would you expose a fiv+ cat to felv?
   
  And vice versa?
   
   
  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent
   
   
   
   
   

   
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Re: arrrggghhh.....! Part II.!

[Sherry DeHaan]

Well Susan that is just RUDE of you!!! So you think just because everyone does 
NOT agree with you that it is the wrong way!! The HELLHOLE here is your closed 
mind!! Now I see why some very good people have left this felv talk.It is 
because of rudeness like yours!!!
  

Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This "shelter"mixes felv+ cats w/ fiv+ cats,due to lack of space to 
separate..!  Read below.
   
  What kind of hellhole is this?
   
  It's called "crash landing"
   
  PLease do not forward..
   
   
   

  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent
   
   
   
   
  - Original Message -   From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 6:22 PM
  Subject: Re: Here is the link

  

  Sorry, but it is irresponsible to deliberately expose cats w/already 
compromised immune systems from one deadly disease to another deadly disease..
   
  That is just bad news.
   
  And no, you cannot save them all.
  
And if you try, well, that's another can of worms.
   
  I am entitled to my opinion, and so are you.
   
  However, I have had to play "cleanup" on too many "well intented" sanctuaries 
and /or rescue people, so, I've just about seen it all.
   
  Not to mention that this is just how I got my felv+/fiv+ cats in the first 
place.
   
  From "rescue" people that were in over their heads, mixing various dieases 
due to an "imperfect world".
   
  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent
   
   
   
   
- Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaan 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Here is the link
  

  Well I guess it is either that or just them die without a chance to live at 
all.You can only do so much with what you can.
  So I guess now you think this is a horrible place??
  This place gives them ALL a second chance to have any kind of life at all !!
Believe me I'm sure in a PERFECT world this would be different.
  If you knew everything  the lady that runs both sanctuaries does for these 
wonderful beings,how many times she fought for thier lives(including the fiv 
felv)she brought them home to her house to nurse them back to health.We do the 
best we can.
Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  WHAT?
   
  This shelter does not separate fiv+ and felv+.?
   
  What kind of place is this?
   
  Why would you expose a fiv+ cat to felv?
   
  And vice versa?
   
   
  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent
   
   
   
   
   

   
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Re: arrrggghhh.....! Part II.!

[Sherry DeHaan]

WHATEVER!!! I am sorry that this has come to what it is.do you think everything 
you do is perfect!!??

Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Sorry, THAT rant was intended 
for one person on this list.
   
  However, let me just tell you this, if a REPUTABLE, ETHICAL  vet in the area 
finds out what this woman is doing, they will most likely have AC on her.
   
  When you start running out of room to separate your diseases, you stop intake.
   
  period.
   
  You do not begin to "mix" them.
   
  That is basic shelter 101.
   
  And no, it never feels good to know that you cannot help them all.
   
  However, she could take some of that money that she is using to declaw cats 
and build another room, hence, separating her diseases.
   
   
   
  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent
   
   
   
   
- Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 6:36 PM
  Subject: arrrggghhh.! Part II.!
  

This "shelter"mixes felv+ cats w/ fiv+ cats,due to lack of space to 
separate..!  Read below.
   
  What kind of hellhole is this?
   
  It's called "crash landing"
   
  PLease do not forward..
   
   
   

   
   


   
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Re: arrrggghhh.....! Part II.!

[OfALegend]

The phrase comes to mind, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."  
:(
 
I have no doubt whoever is running this shelter has the best of  intentions.  
One of my girls, the one I think was the first positive, came  from just such 
a shelter (Angel Wings in Kingston, TN).  I know this lady  had only the best 
of intentions in her heart, and I know she loved the kitties  she tried to 
provide care for.  But I also know she didn't know how to say  "No."  And a lot 
of innocent kitties suffered as a result.  It was a  heartbreaking situation 
altogether :(
 
Look, I have to know every day when to say "No."  My heart aches for  some 
poor kitties I see at local shelters and adoption agencies, but I know I am  
not 
capable of caring for more than the three I have, and I know that to bring  
healthy, negative cats into a situation where they're at high risk of  
contracting FeLV is irresponsible.  I've replaced my sofa twice now due to  
kitty 
claws (FINALLY got them all trained.  It IS possible.) but I'd never  dream of 
declawing, and I think most people are horrified here at the thought of  a 
shelter using declawing as a standard policy.  Its unimaginable.   Even the 
lady I 
mentioned above gave me a very long lecture about declawing and  made me sign 
contracts that I wouldn't do it.  Siamese Rescue done the same  thing when I 
adopted my other two.  I think everyone here is horrified  that, as you pointed 
out, she can't say "no."  We all must recognize our  limits.  I am not saying 
you, or the woman who runs this shelter, are bad  people, but even the best of 
intentions can be devastating (as I know  personally.)   Hoarders "love" the 
cats they have, they just don't  know when to say no.  Same goes for this 
situation, I think.  Our  hearts just ache that as horrible as FIV and FeLV is, 
we 
have to live with the  knowledge that this shelter is mixing them, and 
mutilating their little paws in  the process.  Its just painful. Its not 
personal 
attacks on you, or to say  that you don't have the best of intentions in your 
heart.
 
Reminds me of a story I heard on NPR on my way home, talking about zero  
gravity effects on bacteria.  They were talking about infecting mice with  
salmonella to see how long it would take them to die.  It was just painful  to 
listen 
to. :(


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Re: arrrggghhh.....! Part II.!

[Susan Dubose]

Do the words FLOCK, AngelWings, Wild Cat Ranch or ARC (in Dallas) ring ANY 
bells w/anyone?

You cannot run a shelter and mix diseases.



Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaan 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:21 PM
  Subject: Re: arrrggghhh.! Part II.!


  Well Susan that is just RUDE of you!!! So you think just because everyone 
does NOT agree with you that it is the wrong way!! The HELLHOLE here is your 
closed mind!! Now I see why some very good people have left this felv talk.It 
is because of rudeness like yours!!!


  Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This "shelter"mixes felv+ cats w/ fiv+ cats,due to lack of space to 
separate..!  Read below.

What kind of hellhole is this?

It's called "crash landing"

PLease do not forward..



Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: Susan Dubose 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: Here is the link


Sorry, but it is irresponsible to deliberately expose cats w/already 
compromised immune systems from one deadly disease to another deadly disease..

That is just bad news.

And no, you cannot save them all.

And if you try, well, that's another can of worms.

I am entitled to my opinion, and so are you.

However, I have had to play "cleanup" on too many "well intented" 
sanctuaries and /or rescue people, so, I've just about seen it all.

Not to mention that this is just how I got my felv+/fiv+ cats in the first 
place.

From "rescue" people that were in over their heads, mixing various dieases 
due to an "imperfect world".

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaan 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Here is the link


  Well I guess it is either that or just them die without a chance to live 
at all.You can only do so much with what you can.
  So I guess now you think this is a horrible place??
  This place gives them ALL a second chance to have any kind of life at all 
!!
  Believe me I'm sure in a PERFECT world this would be different.
  If you knew everything  the lady that runs both sanctuaries does for 
these wonderful beings,how many times she fought for thier lives(including the 
fiv felv)she brought them home to her house to nurse them back to health.We do 
the best we can.
  Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
WHAT?

This shelter does not separate fiv+ and felv+.?

What kind of place is this?

Why would you expose a fiv+ cat to felv?

And vice versa?


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent









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Re: arrrggghhh.....! Part II.!

[Susan Dubose]

no, I don't think that everything that I do is perfect, 
(I am FAR from perfect) but this is basic common sense.

Leave this list due to rudeness?

I would bet that if you posted how this shelter operates on any other list, you 
would get worse then me.

Why don't you just work to help change it?

Yes, I know, easier said than done.

But everything is small steps.

That is what I have had to do for years.

And it does hurt.



Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaan 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:23 PM
  Subject: Re: arrrggghhh.! Part II.!


  WHATEVER!!! I am sorry that this has come to what it is.do you think 
everything you do is perfect!!??

  Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Sorry, THAT rant was intended for one person on this list.

However, let me just tell you this, if a REPUTABLE, ETHICAL  vet in the 
area finds out what this woman is doing, they will most likely have AC on her.

When you start running out of room to separate your diseases, you stop 
intake.

period.

You do not begin to "mix" them.

That is basic shelter 101.

And no, it never feels good to know that you cannot help them all.

However, she could take some of that money that she is using to declaw cats 
and build another room, hence, separating her diseases.



Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

...emotionally charged issues...are rough...

[glenda Goodman]

So many of the people here put their heart and soul
and every spare minute possible into helping and
learning about cats/animals. 
There are certain basic rules of common sense that
even I have learned in the last few months when it
comes to dealing with these two diseases: FeLV and
FIV.  
There are people here that have taught me a lot and
who I depend on to answer questions that I might have
or that might come up. There are people here with
wonderful hearts that are just here learning the
basics. I sincerely care for them all. We should NEVER
attack each other. WE ARE ALL ONE.
If I were to tell you what grade I am in, as in, 
elementary school, as compared to Susan, for example,
I'd say I'm a mere first grader and I'd imagine Susan
might be in  high school... light years ahead of me,
but here, we shall call it high school compared to
first grade... high school for knowledge in the
diseases we are dealing with and high school for
experience dealing with animal rescues and shelters 
and the different ways of how they do what they do. I
completely respect Susan's take on things and I trust
her experience, admire her spirit...she says it like
it is. I flower things up , but it is all the
same...no matter how it is said. 
 It is important to remember,  IT IS ALL FOR THE
ANIMALS. WE ARE SECONDARY.
 If we could sit, as like on a Board of Directors
meeting, we could discuss what would be best for the
animals and maybe compromise somehow and attempt to
see each other's points. 
I  have tried to keep myself in check, but it has been
difficult when I am seeing everything I have so far
learned here, being turned upside down by this
rescue/shelter or that? I have so far dealt with a
shelter that sent me a FeLV+ cat and butted heads with
a shelter in Wisconsin with the everyone must be
declawed thing going on... Right now the shelter of
discussion is where Sherry gives her heart and soul. I
try so hard to see all sides, but there are times I
just cannot and if you were to ask me, if after I had
just won $300 million in the lottery, who I  would
want to organize and run my, big fancy  shelter. IT
WOULD HAVE TO BE SUSAN. 
That is all folks! 
Glenda


   

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Re: arrrggghhh.....! Part II.!

[Sherry DeHaan]

We are not hoarders and I guess I made it sound like it when I said she can't 
say no. She does have to say enough is enough from time to time.Like right 
now,we can't take in anymore until we have more adoptions.Periodically we have 
to.We have a list to get cats into our program and it is a LONG one.So we are 
not hoarders at all.Just the space we have for the felv and fiv is what it 
is.We do not declaw the felv fiv cats.Wish we didn't the others,but that is not 
my decision.So I don't want anybody to be horrified at the wonderful shelters 
that I am proud to volunteer at.We are far from being hoarders,sorry if I made 
it sound like that.We have well over 100 volunteers to help out and we do a 
damn good job.
  If anyone of you visited anyone of our shelters you would see how HAPPY the 
beautiful creatures are.I am done defending!!

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The phrase comes to mind, "The road to hell is paved with good 
intentions." :(
   
  I have no doubt whoever is running this shelter has the best of intentions.  
One of my girls, the one I think was the first positive, came from just such a 
shelter (Angel Wings in Kingston, TN).  I know this lady had only the best of 
intentions in her heart, and I know she loved the kitties she tried to provide 
care for.  But I also know she didn't know how to say "No."  And a lot of 
innocent kitties suffered as a result.  It was a heartbreaking situation 
altogether :(
   
  Look, I have to know every day when to say "No."  My heart aches for some 
poor kitties I see at local shelters and adoption agencies, but I know I am not 
capable of caring for more than the three I have, and I know that to bring 
healthy, negative cats into a situation where they're at high risk of 
contracting FeLV is irresponsible.  I've replaced my sofa twice now due to 
kitty claws (FINALLY got them all trained.  It IS possible.) but I'd never 
dream of declawing, and I think most people are horrified here at the thought 
of a shelter using declawing as a standard policy.  Its unimaginable.  Even the 
lady I mentioned above gave me a very long lecture about declawing and made me 
sign contracts that I wouldn't do it.  Siamese Rescue done the same thing when 
I adopted my other two.  I think everyone here is horrified that, as you 
pointed out, she can't say "no."  We all must recognize our limits.  I am not 
saying you, or the woman who runs this shelter, are bad people, but
 even the best of intentions can be devastating (as I know personally.)   
Hoarders "love" the cats they have, they just don't know when to say no.  Same 
goes for this situation, I think.  Our hearts just ache that as horrible as FIV 
and FeLV is, we have to live with the knowledge that this shelter is mixing 
them, and mutilating their little paws in the process.  Its just painful. Its 
not personal attacks on you, or to say that you don't have the best of 
intentions in your heart.
   
  Reminds me of a story I heard on NPR on my way home, talking about zero 
gravity effects on bacteria.  They were talking about infecting mice with 
salmonella to see how long it would take them to die.  It was just painful to 
listen to. :(


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Re: ...emotionally charged issues...are rough...

[Susan Dubose]

You are flattering me, Glenda.

And I know that Sherry puts her soul into helping these cats, and it is not 
her fault that it is ran this way, however, it does not make it "Ok" by any 
means.

We are on this list because we have or had cats that are felv+, and this 
discussion is about someone who is deliberately exposing cats to felv and 
fiv.

While she runs a shelter and collects donations.

If anyone needs to leave this list, it would be me.

I am applaud by this behavior and cannot even remotely condone it just to 
save someone's feelings.



Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: "glenda Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:36 PM
Subject: ...emotionally charged issues...are rough...


So many of the people here put their heart and soul
and every spare minute possible into helping and
learning about cats/animals.
There are certain basic rules of common sense that
even I have learned in the last few months when it
comes to dealing with these two diseases: FeLV and
FIV.
There are people here that have taught me a lot and
who I depend on to answer questions that I might have
or that might come up. There are people here with
wonderful hearts that are just here learning the
basics. I sincerely care for them all. We should NEVER
attack each other. WE ARE ALL ONE.
If I were to tell you what grade I am in, as in,
elementary school, as compared to Susan, for example,
I'd say I'm a mere first grader and I'd imagine Susan
might be in  high school... light years ahead of me,
but here, we shall call it high school compared to
first grade... high school for knowledge in the
diseases we are dealing with and high school for
experience dealing with animal rescues and shelters
and the different ways of how they do what they do. I
completely respect Susan's take on things and I trust
her experience, admire her spirit...she says it like
it is. I flower things up , but it is all the
same...no matter how it is said.
 It is important to remember,  IT IS ALL FOR THE
ANIMALS. WE ARE SECONDARY.
 If we could sit, as like on a Board of Directors
meeting, we could discuss what would be best for the
animals and maybe compromise somehow and attempt to
see each other's points.
I  have tried to keep myself in check, but it has been
difficult when I am seeing everything I have so far
learned here, being turned upside down by this
rescue/shelter or that? I have so far dealt with a
shelter that sent me a FeLV+ cat and butted heads with
a shelter in Wisconsin with the everyone must be
declawed thing going on... Right now the shelter of
discussion is where Sherry gives her heart and soul. I
try so hard to see all sides, but there are times I
just cannot and if you were to ask me, if after I had
just won $300 million in the lottery, who I  would
want to organize and run my, big fancy  shelter. IT
WOULD HAVE TO BE SUSAN.
That is all folks!
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Re: ...emotionally charged issues...are rough...

[Sherry DeHaan]

Glenda that is great that you would let Susan run your 300 million dollar 
shelter!! It would be great.

glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  So many of the people here put their 
heart and soul
and every spare minute possible into helping and
learning about cats/animals. 
There are certain basic rules of common sense that
even I have learned in the last few months when it
comes to dealing with these two diseases: FeLV and
FIV. 
There are people here that have taught me a lot and
who I depend on to answer questions that I might have
or that might come up. There are people here with
wonderful hearts that are just here learning the
basics. I sincerely care for them all. We should NEVER
attack each other. WE ARE ALL ONE.
If I were to tell you what grade I am in, as in, 
elementary school, as compared to Susan, for example,
I'd say I'm a mere first grader and I'd imagine Susan
might be in high school... light years ahead of me,
but here, we shall call it high school compared to
first grade... high school for knowledge in the
diseases we are dealing with and high school for
experience dealing with animal rescues and shelters 
and the different ways of how they do what they do. I
completely respect Susan's take on things and I trust
her experience, admire her spirit...she says it like
it is. I flower things up , but it is all the
same...no matter how it is said. 
It is important to remember, IT IS ALL FOR THE
ANIMALS. WE ARE SECONDARY.
If we could sit, as like on a Board of Directors
meeting, we could discuss what would be best for the
animals and maybe compromise somehow and attempt to
see each other's points. 
I have tried to keep myself in check, but it has been
difficult when I am seeing everything I have so far
learned here, being turned upside down by this
rescue/shelter or that? I have so far dealt with a
shelter that sent me a FeLV+ cat and butted heads with
a shelter in Wisconsin with the everyone must be
declawed thing going on... Right now the shelter of
discussion is where Sherry gives her heart and soul. I
try so hard to see all sides, but there are times I
just cannot and if you were to ask me, if after I had
just won $300 million in the lottery, who I would
want to organize and run my, big fancy shelter. IT
WOULD HAVE TO BE SUSAN. 
That is all folks! 
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Re: ...emotionally charged issues...are rough...

[Sherry DeHaan]

Please dont try to save mty feelings.Just don't read anymore of my posts and I 
will do the same!! We are not evil people

Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  You are flattering me, Glenda.

And I know that Sherry puts her soul into helping these cats, and it is not 
her fault that it is ran this way, however, it does not make it "Ok" by any 
means.

We are on this list because we have or had cats that are felv+, and this 
discussion is about someone who is deliberately exposing cats to felv and 
fiv.

While she runs a shelter and collects donations.

If anyone needs to leave this list, it would be me.

I am applaud by this behavior and cannot even remotely condone it just to 
save someone's feelings.



Susan J. DuBose >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
Purring welcomes of soft applause,
Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: "glenda Goodman" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:36 PM
Subject: ...emotionally charged issues...are rough...


So many of the people here put their heart and soul
and every spare minute possible into helping and
learning about cats/animals.
There are certain basic rules of common sense that
even I have learned in the last few months when it
comes to dealing with these two diseases: FeLV and
FIV.
There are people here that have taught me a lot and
who I depend on to answer questions that I might have
or that might come up. There are people here with
wonderful hearts that are just here learning the
basics. I sincerely care for them all. We should NEVER
attack each other. WE ARE ALL ONE.
If I were to tell you what grade I am in, as in,
elementary school, as compared to Susan, for example,
I'd say I'm a mere first grader and I'd imagine Susan
might be in high school... light years ahead of me,
but here, we shall call it high school compared to
first grade... high school for knowledge in the
diseases we are dealing with and high school for
experience dealing with animal rescues and shelters
and the different ways of how they do what they do. I
completely respect Susan's take on things and I trust
her experience, admire her spirit...she says it like
it is. I flower things up , but it is all the
same...no matter how it is said.
It is important to remember, IT IS ALL FOR THE
ANIMALS. WE ARE SECONDARY.
If we could sit, as like on a Board of Directors
meeting, we could discuss what would be best for the
animals and maybe compromise somehow and attempt to
see each other's points.
I have tried to keep myself in check, but it has been
difficult when I am seeing everything I have so far
learned here, being turned upside down by this
rescue/shelter or that? I have so far dealt with a
shelter that sent me a FeLV+ cat and butted heads with
a shelter in Wisconsin with the everyone must be
declawed thing going on... Right now the shelter of
discussion is where Sherry gives her heart and soul. I
try so hard to see all sides, but there are times I
just cannot and if you were to ask me, if after I had
just won $300 million in the lottery, who I would
want to organize and run my, big fancy shelter. IT
WOULD HAVE TO BE SUSAN.
That is all folks!
Glenda




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Re: OT:declawing your cat is illegal...Crash Landing

[janine paton]

Ah, but only a cat would have to choose between
amputaion or death.  

I see no difference with this logic and killing cats
who test positive.  

Catsinternational.org (also based in the midwest) has
thankfully updated their page on declawing.  They are
calling for people to name  declawing what it is -
amputation.  They guarantee 100%  they can help you
teach your cat not to scratch inappropriately.  It's
called education.  

I have to say when I went to that petfinder link, I
felt like I was on another planet.  

Only a cat would have to choose between amputation and
death. Only in America. 

Janine



--- Kelley Saveika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm not really sure I buy the theory that declawed
> cats are more
> likely to have behavioral problems.  I've seen a lot
> of cats, both
> clawed and declawed, and behavioral problems seem to
> be about the same
> in both groups.  We currently have a 12.5 year old
> declawed cat who is
> probably the sweetest cat ever.  Similarly we have
> fully clawed cats
> who have had terrible behavioral problems.  It just
> seems to be pretty
> random to me.
> 
> Nationally, about 25% of cats are declawed.  I'd be
> interested to see
> the studies that purport that they are turned in to
> shelters in
> disproportionate numbers.  If this is the case, it
> doesn't seem to be
> the case locally.   Also if they are turned in to
> shelters in
> disproportionate numbers, I'd like to know if the
> clawed cats are just
> turned loose somewhere, as opposed to being turned
> in to a shelter.
> 
> I did speak to my vet about it and he says there is
> no hard evidence
> of any correlation between behavior and status of
> claws.   Lots of
> people I really like have declawed cats, including
> my vet's
> receptionist.   I continue to believe that cats are
> better off
> declawed than dead, and if you have to make the
> correlation YES I
> would rather have the tips of my fingers chopped off
> than be killed.
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Re: Lovey is gone

[catatonya]

Janine,
   
  I am so terribly sorry.  Lovey came a long way to live with your mom and with 
you.  I'm happy he found such a loving home.  I'm also sorry to hear about 
Perry.  I remember your mother writing about him.
   
  How is the white persian who came up with Lovey.  I can't remember her name.
   
  tonya

Brenda Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Hello All,
Thank you for your help the other day. Lovey was in liver and kidney 
failure. His liver was 10 times smaller than normal and my vet and I 
both feel it was genetic. He was suffering so I didn't hesitate in 
letting him go. He was a beautiful, wonderful, friend with a personality 
like no other cat I have ever met. I will miss him for a long time. 

It was a tough week, I lost my mom's cat Perry last thursday. He 
started failing and he went really fast. We don't know what was wrong 
with him, but the vet was 100% sure there were multiple problems. Perry 
was a very loving sweet boy, he is also missed. So, that was two friends 
gone in one week. They were both feline leukemia positive. Belinda, 
could you add them to the list. Thank you, Janine

Re: Another one gone

[catatonya]

Tracy,
   
  I'm so sorry for your losses.  It's so hard to bear when you lose them close 
together like that.  Take care of yourself and healing vibes to your cat 
undergoing chemo.  I hope you have many good days left.
   
  tonya

Tracy Weese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
   
  I lost two of my FeLV+ cats in the last month, the most recent was today when 
I put CW down.  She was beginning to have difficulty breathing due to severe 
anemia.  I tried a transfusion (only raised the RBC from 6% to 10%) and Epogen, 
but today my vet and I could see that she was becoming more and more 
uncomfortable and she was extremely pale, I swore that I would not wait until 
it was too late, I'd rather be a day or so too early.  We had a nice three 
weeks, but today, I could tell the light had gone out in her eyes.
   
  Just last month Sylvester died at home and a few months before that, another 
FeLV+ cat, Herbie, had to be PTS.
   
  Funny, I have a negative cat (that is 12) with stomach cancer and have been 
treating him for more than 18  months (he probably had it at least a year 
before).  He has not gone into remission, and we have done EVERY chemo protocol 
out there, but it has stopped growing and he is like the energizer bunny  ...  
he keeps going and going and going.  I really expected him to go long before 
the other three  regardless, I miss them all.
   
   
  Tracy
   

Re: Here is the link

[Beth Noren]

Glenda, many of us here mix our vaccinated negatives with our positives.  It
is a calculated risk that takes into account quality of life, as is your
decision to allow your cats outside.  In my situation, with my neighborhood
and my street-senseless cats, an outdoor kitty is a risk that I won't take.
Your situation may be very different.  I guess I am just trying to suggest
that we ALL care deeply for our cats, and that we be gentler with each other
when voicing our different opinions.  It does the cats no good if all of us
crazy cat ladies start attacking each other.  Sherry has worked so hard, and
takes each loss so personally, and for that I thank her.

Best wishes,
Beth, Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter. and Will Feral



On 9/24/07, glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sherry,
> ...Sherry I am trying to control my emotions ,but I have
> to tell you I am scared to death for these two groups
> of cats. I am believing/hoping your girl Mystique is
> vaccinated...that could help, but she is at terrible
> risk. Her immune system is already compromised by the
> FIV. I cannot implore you strongly enough to please
> get her out of Crash'slanding ASAP!
> You have been lucky with your FIV kitties and
> especially with your kitty who threw the FIV. When I
> read about the beautiful Mystique, I felt relieved
> that she was only FIV+. I felt you would have good
> luck with her and she might live a pretty normal life.
> The fact she is in a situation where she can contract
> the FeLV virus any day now, is making me a little
> crazy...I worry about her and everyone else in that
> environment...and what about the kitties that might
> possibly be able one day, to throw one of the viruses
> or the other? What chance do any of them really
> have...They are at huge risk of getting THE OTHER
> virus. There has to be a way to seperate the two
> groups. FIV+ kitties have such a better chance , but
> here they are almost certainly, over time going to
> become FeLV+ too.
> You need to get Mystique out of there. You should have
> her tested for both FIV and FeLV, just so you know,
> what you will be dealing with. Then have her tested
> again in 4-6 months. If she is FeLV- you are both
> blessed. If I were you, I'd want to know, for myself,
> if she is really FIV+.
> Crash'slanding comes across beautifully on it's intro
> page and it is set up well to navigate through. The
> kitties are beautiful. Their stories are well written
> and touching. This is a nokill shelter, right? The way
> it appears to me, is a showplace type of place, that
> collects cats,  donations ,but seriously needs to
> become a bit more cat- friendly...Besides taking in
> these cats, are they really doing what is best for
> each cat?  If they cannot seperate the FIV+ cats from
> the FeLV+ cats they should only be dealing with cats
> with one disease or the other  disease and let another
> shelter deal with the other...
> Do they get a lot of volunteers as sweet as you? Well,
> they are lucky if they do. Nobody is driving a
> cadillac are they...bad joke, sorry.
> I have one FeLV+ cat in my household of 7-cats. All my
> cats are vaccinated. Yet I am very, very careful my
> negatives do not come into contact with my one
> positive, little girl. If I found out I had a FIV+ cat
> in my household I would possibly allow him to continue
> as always with his brothers, but if anyone were to
> turn up FeLV+ it is quarantine time. FIV is a far
> easier disease to deal with.
> I'm in the process of having all my guys tested again,
> because my guys do get outside at times, supervised,
> as they are and as confident as I am they have not run
> into any positive, strange kitties out there, I still
> believe in knowing their health status every year or
> so...This, because I do not believe in putting any of
> my kitties in harm's way. If I were perfect, they
> would never get outside, at ever, but I love for them
> to have fun in the yard...I get weak when they beg...I
> am a bad mommy for that, but I take that risk for the,
> quality of life, argument...
> Well, I have done enough damage for one day...Sherry,
> thank you. And please do not hate me, because ...I do
> not trust people...
> Love and best wishes from Nebraska,
> Glenda
> --- Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi Glenda,isn't she georgeous!!! :) We do not
> > separate the felv and the fiv.I wish we had the
> > space to do so.Until I become one of those crazy cat
> > ladies that win the lottery it will have to do!! :)
> > I myself have 3 fiv+ boys and one boy that tested
> > felv+ when he first arrived to Sids and then 1 1/2
> > years later tested negative for anything.Then I
> > brought Genevieve home back in April,she was felv+.I
> > risked it because my heart told me to bring that
> > baby girl home to love her as much as possible.AND I
> > DID!! I am getting choked up just writing about
> > her.It will be 4 weeks tomorrow since she left us.
> > :(
> >   You did not offend me in anyway,I just