Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny
Marilyn I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny was to have you caring so much for her. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marilyn Knapp Litt Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny. I helped her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her diagnosis. The vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were negative. On this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and had the vet was able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink it, but it would come roaring back. Her head was so swollen that one eye was shut. The best thing we could do was let her go while she was still purring. >From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any knowledge >or treatment. She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine and boosters. >Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors. Destiny enjoyed good >health until very recently when her respitory infection turned out to be a >tumor. Nevertheless, it really helped us to have the support of this >community and know there was somewhere we could go for advice. Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty tonight. Destiny was a peacemaker. I never saw her hiss once, but I saw her sit as close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they finally were won over. The world needs more people like my special cat . . . Marilyn Knapp Litt Marilyn Knapp Litt wrote: > Has anyone used these for FeLV? > > > > My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to > find she had FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was > treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out > the terrible truth. I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her > comfortable. > She is on an antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it > is effective. > > > > I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV. > > > > I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find > info on using them with cancer, not FeLV. Anyone have a suggestion > about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection? We > thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the > last 24 hours. > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > ~Marilyn Knapp Litt > > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
I think they obtain it directly from growers or they go to states where it is legal, or they get a prescription. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: June-24-17 12:16 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine Amy - could you purchase it online? I don't remember all the details, but I was told by a pharmacist several years ago (in Wisconsin where I live) that he was able to obtain medical marijuana for a cancer patient, and as far as I know it is not legal here. And of course I do know of people who have access to it, and use it for pain etc. - but I have no idea where they obtain it. Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Glunt Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll hold out hope. Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores. Amy Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see > very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this > substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is > clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial > overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, > the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new > mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on > drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all > scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, > that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of > the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a > pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the > cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no > known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to > being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money > for the drug company. > > Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are > Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing > research regarding the healing powers of this substance. > > Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its > medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably > effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy > where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only > medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into > complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop > seizures, but doesn’t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents > in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole > families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children > suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved > to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted > with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be > very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and > women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. > > With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which > occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 > months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with > experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed > complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standst
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
Ardy, I think it was precisely because of my experience with Winstrol that I was open to the unthinkable thought that science and scientists weren’t always free to produce unbiased research, even when it could help a lot of animals or people. I am, first and foremost, a scientist by training and inclination, and this concept was terribly foreign to me when I first stumbled upon the bizarre Winstrol situation. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: June-24-17 12:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine Sort of like the stigma surrounding Winstrol due to the misuse of it by an Olympic athlete... people and animals who could be helped by it are not. People are crazy sometimes. Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 12:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company. Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing research regarding the healing powers of this substance. Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but doesn’t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing short of earth-shattering. Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply disturbing. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine I agree on the cannibinol. I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons. It can't be all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious. ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > Amy I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held on to... At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather in
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
Amy - could you purchase it online? I don't remember all the details, but I was told by a pharmacist several years ago (in Wisconsin where I live) that he was able to obtain medical marijuana for a cancer patient, and as far as I know it is not legal here. And of course I do know of people who have access to it, and use it for pain etc. - but I have no idea where they obtain it. Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Glunt Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll hold out hope. Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores. Amy Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see > very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this > substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is > clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial > overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, > the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new > mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on > drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all > scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, > that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of > the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a > pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the > cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no > known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to > being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money > for the drug company. > > Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are > Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing > research regarding the healing powers of this substance. > > Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its > medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably > effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy > where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only > medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into > complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop > seizures, but doesn’t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents > in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole > families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children > suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved > to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted > with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be > very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and > women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. > > With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which > occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 > months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with > experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed > complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development > of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has > been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are > nothing short of earth-shattering. > > Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been > helped if
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
Sort of like the stigma surrounding Winstrol due to the misuse of it by an Olympic athlete... people and animals who could be helped by it are not. People are crazy sometimes. Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 12:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company. Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing research regarding the healing powers of this substance. Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but doesn’t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing short of earth-shattering. Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply disturbing. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine I agree on the cannibinol. I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons. It can't be all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious. ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > Amy I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held on to... At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent that it IS useful Yes/No Maybe so : ) I chose to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for reference... and Amani ( if you happen to read this) I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)... With all the Hoopla there must be a pony in there somewhere.. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
Thanks. I got started with amazon when I broke my arm and could not carry heavy bags of liter and food and just stayed there. Will check out Chewy. Gloria wrote: > Topic was l-lysine FYI 🤓 > > I shop Amazon, Petflow, and many other online pet supply stores and chewy.com > has consistently been the best value and customer service. If you choose > their autoship you can save more $$on selected products. > They didn't pay me for this-I just want others to know so they'll have more > $$ to continue caring for their companions. > I currently care for 15 cats-mostly feral-born. One was diagnosed w/85% > chance of FeLV, but if he was infected I believe he was Devinely healed in > answer to my prayers for him. > So, with the cost of caring for these precious creatures I'm always looking > for the best cost-saving products. :) > Gloria > -g 🇺🇸 > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Pam Doore wrote: > > > > I get mine from chewy.com. I needs to be made for cats or it is bitter. Two > > of mine get the gel mixed in with flld 2x a day. The othet gets the treats, > > all from Chewy :-). > > > >> On Jun 21, 2017 5:26 PM, wrote: > >> Okay, I am convinced. Next question is where do you get the safe stuff. > >> There are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady > >> seller. > >> > >> Amani Oakley wrote: > >> > Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some > >> > cannabis oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually > >> > passed away. I had gotten the oil far too late in the day, > >> > unfortunately, as I too knew nothing about this stuff and was pretty > >> > darned skeptical - having been brought up as a "good girl" who had never > >> > ever tried drugs of any kind. > >> > > >> > I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin > >> > cancer with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore > >> > starting at the corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on > >> > topically, put a band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it > >> > completely gone. I have used other stuff from the drug mart, and found > >> > that it assisted SOMETIMES in shortening the duration of the cold sore, > >> > but never before had I had the sore disappear on day one. I then did a > >> > Google search on cannabis oil and cold sores, and was stunned to find > >> > many many people reporting its significant effectiveness and research > >> > which found its effectiveness against herpes viruses. > >> > > >> > Amani > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > >> > Amy Glunt > >> > Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM > >> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine > >> > > >> > I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, > >> > and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a > >> > treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to > >> > herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible > >> > cure, and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a > >> > shame! And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize > >> > medical marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, > >> > all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible > >> > and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if > >> > only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll > >> > hold out hope. > >> > Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of > >> > knowledge. You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your > >> > shared knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores. > >> > > >> > Amy > >> > > >> > Sent from my iPhone > >> > > >> > > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You > >> > > will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
Well, I guess that makes sense then! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Doore Sent: June-21-17 9:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine I was talking about lysine. ~~@~@~@~@~@ Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Huh?? Are you sure it is cannabis oil and not a derivative of hemp which is sometimes confusingly called the same thing? Usually you need a prescription and to jump through a million hoops. I don’t think it is easily available. I just went to chewy.com<http://chewy.com>, but don’t see it. I did a search on “cannabis” and another on “oil” and nothing came up fitting the bill. I would have been really surprised if something had. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-bounces@<mailto:felvtalk-bounces@>felineleukemia.org<http://felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of Pam Doore Sent: June-21-17 8:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine I get mine from chewy.com. I needs to be made for cats or it is bitter. Two of mine get the gel mixed in with flld 2x a day. The othet gets the treats, all from Chewy :-). On Jun 21, 2017 5:26 PM, mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> wrote: Okay, I am convinced. Next question is where do you get the safe stuff. There are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady seller. Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: > Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some cannabis > oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually passed away. I > had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately, as I too knew > nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical - having been > brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of any kind. > > I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin cancer > with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore starting at the > corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on topically, put a > band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it completely gone. I have > used other stuff from the drug mart, and found that it assisted SOMETIMES in > shortening the duration of the cold sore, but never before had I had the sore > disappear on day one. I then did a Google search on cannabis oil and cold > sores, and was stunned to find many many people reporting its significant > effectiveness and research which found its effectiveness against herpes > viruses. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy > Glunt > Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine > > I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and > NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. > But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm > astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this > information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live > in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of > the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering > (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and > fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer > have to suffer. I'll hold out hope. > Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. > You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge > will save me from the agony of cold sores. > > Amy > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley > > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: > > > > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will > > see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects > > this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. > > It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial > > overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of > > prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, > > needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this > > ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedul
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
I was talking about lysine. ~~@~@~@~@~@ *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — **St. Patrick* On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > Huh?? > > > > Are you sure it is cannabis oil and not a derivative of hemp which is > sometimes confusingly called the same thing? Usually you need a > prescription and to jump through a million hoops. I don’t think it is > easily available. I just went to chewy.com, but don’t see it. I did a > search on “cannabis” and another on “oil” and nothing came up fitting the > bill. I would have been really surprised if something had. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > Of *Pam Doore > *Sent:* June-21-17 8:00 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine > > > > I get mine from chewy.com. I needs to be made for cats or it is bitter. > Two of mine get the gel mixed in with flld 2x a day. The othet gets the > treats, all from Chewy :-). > > On Jun 21, 2017 5:26 PM, wrote: > > Okay, I am convinced. Next question is where do you get the safe stuff. > There are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady > seller. > > Amani Oakley wrote: > > Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some > cannabis oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually > passed away. I had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately, > as I too knew nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical - > having been brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of > any kind. > > > > I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin > cancer with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore > starting at the corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on > topically, put a band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it > completely gone. I have used other stuff from the drug mart, and found that > it assisted SOMETIMES in shortening the duration of the cold sore, but > never before had I had the sore disappear on day one. I then did a Google > search on cannabis oil and cold sores, and was stunned to find many many > people reporting its significant effectiveness and research which found its > effectiveness against herpes viruses. > > > > Amani > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > Of Amy Glunt > > Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine > > > > I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, > and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a > treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to > herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, > and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! > And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize medical > marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, all the pain > and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, > with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some > cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll hold out hope. > > Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of > knowledge. You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your > shared knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores. > > > > Amy > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley > wrote: > > > > > > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You > will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive > effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the > research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught > with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise > of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, > needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this > ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the > United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned > completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing > any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from > Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
Topic was l-lysine FYI 🤓 I shop Amazon, Petflow, and many other online pet supply stores and chewy.com has consistently been the best value and customer service. If you choose their autoship you can save more $$on selected products. They didn't pay me for this-I just want others to know so they'll have more $$ to continue caring for their companions. I currently care for 15 cats-mostly feral-born. One was diagnosed w/85% chance of FeLV, but if he was infected I believe he was Devinely healed in answer to my prayers for him. So, with the cost of caring for these precious creatures I'm always looking for the best cost-saving products. :) Gloria -g 🇺🇸 Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Pam Doore wrote: > > I get mine from chewy.com. I needs to be made for cats or it is bitter. Two > of mine get the gel mixed in with flld 2x a day. The othet gets the treats, > all from Chewy :-). > >> On Jun 21, 2017 5:26 PM, wrote: >> Okay, I am convinced. Next question is where do you get the safe stuff. >> There are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady seller. >> >> Amani Oakley wrote: >> > Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some >> > cannabis oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually >> > passed away. I had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately, >> > as I too knew nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical - >> > having been brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of >> > any kind. >> > >> > I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin >> > cancer with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore >> > starting at the corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on >> > topically, put a band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it >> > completely gone. I have used other stuff from the drug mart, and found >> > that it assisted SOMETIMES in shortening the duration of the cold sore, >> > but never before had I had the sore disappear on day one. I then did a >> > Google search on cannabis oil and cold sores, and was stunned to find many >> > many people reporting its significant effectiveness and research which >> > found its effectiveness against herpes viruses. >> > >> > Amani >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >> > Amy Glunt >> > Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM >> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine >> > >> > I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, >> > and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a >> > treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to >> > herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, >> > and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! >> > And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize medical >> > marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, all the >> > pain and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible and >> > unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if only I >> > could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll hold out >> > hope. >> > Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. >> > You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared >> > knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores. >> > >> > Amy >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You >> > > will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive >> > > effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the >> > > research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was >> > > fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after >> > > the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing >> > > prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of >> > > this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in >> > > the U
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
Huh?? Are you sure it is cannabis oil and not a derivative of hemp which is sometimes confusingly called the same thing? Usually you need a prescription and to jump through a million hoops. I don’t think it is easily available. I just went to chewy.com, but don’t see it. I did a search on “cannabis” and another on “oil” and nothing came up fitting the bill. I would have been really surprised if something had. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Doore Sent: June-21-17 8:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine I get mine from chewy.com<http://chewy.com>. I needs to be made for cats or it is bitter. Two of mine get the gel mixed in with flld 2x a day. The othet gets the treats, all from Chewy :-). On Jun 21, 2017 5:26 PM, mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> wrote: Okay, I am convinced. Next question is where do you get the safe stuff. There are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady seller. Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: > Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some cannabis > oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually passed away. I > had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately, as I too knew > nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical - having been > brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of any kind. > > I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin cancer > with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore starting at the > corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on topically, put a > band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it completely gone. I have > used other stuff from the drug mart, and found that it assisted SOMETIMES in > shortening the duration of the cold sore, but never before had I had the sore > disappear on day one. I then did a Google search on cannabis oil and cold > sores, and was stunned to find many many people reporting its significant > effectiveness and research which found its effectiveness against herpes > viruses. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] > On Behalf Of Amy Glunt > Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine > > I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and > NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. > But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm > astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this > information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live > in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of > the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering > (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and > fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer > have to suffer. I'll hold out hope. > Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. > You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge > will save me from the agony of cold sores. > > Amy > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley > > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: > > > > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will > > see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects > > this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. > > It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial > > overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of > > prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, > > needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this > > ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the > > United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned > > completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing > > any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from > > Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to > > extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as > > Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the > > criteria to have it l
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
I get mine from chewy.com. I needs to be made for cats or it is bitter. Two of mine get the gel mixed in with flld 2x a day. The othet gets the treats, all from Chewy :-). On Jun 21, 2017 5:26 PM, wrote: > Okay, I am convinced. Next question is where do you get the safe stuff. > There are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady > seller. > > Amani Oakley wrote: > > Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some > cannabis oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually > passed away. I had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately, > as I too knew nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical - > having been brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of > any kind. > > > > I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin > cancer with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore > starting at the corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on > topically, put a band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it > completely gone. I have used other stuff from the drug mart, and found that > it assisted SOMETIMES in shortening the duration of the cold sore, but > never before had I had the sore disappear on day one. I then did a Google > search on cannabis oil and cold sores, and was stunned to find many many > people reporting its significant effectiveness and research which found its > effectiveness against herpes viruses. > > > > Amani > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > Of Amy Glunt > > Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine > > > > I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, > and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a > treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to > herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, > and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! > And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize medical > marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, all the pain > and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, > with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some > cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll hold out hope. > > Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of > knowledge. You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your > shared knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores. > > > > Amy > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley > wrote: > > > > > > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You > will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive > effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the > research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught > with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise > of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, > needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this > ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the > United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned > completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing > any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from > Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to > extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as > Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the > criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug > which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company. > > > > > > Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There > are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, > amazing research regarding the healing powers of this substance. > > > > > > Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it > for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is > unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe > forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, > and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these > children into complete zomb
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
Okay, I am convinced. Next question is where do you get the safe stuff. There are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady seller. Amani Oakley wrote: > Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some cannabis > oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually passed away. I > had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately, as I too knew > nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical - having been > brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of any kind. > > I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin cancer > with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore starting at the > corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on topically, put a > band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it completely gone. I have > used other stuff from the drug mart, and found that it assisted SOMETIMES in > shortening the duration of the cold sore, but never before had I had the sore > disappear on day one. I then did a Google search on cannabis oil and cold > sores, and was stunned to find many many people reporting its significant > effectiveness and research which found its effectiveness against herpes > viruses. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy > Glunt > Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine > > I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and > NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. > But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm > astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this > information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live > in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of > the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering > (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and > fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer > have to suffer. I'll hold out hope. > Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. > You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge > will save me from the agony of cold sores. > > Amy > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will > > see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects > > this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. > > It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial > > overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of > > prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, > > needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this > > ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the > > United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned > > completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing > > any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from > > Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to > > extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as > > Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the > > criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug > > which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company. > > > > Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are > > Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing > > research regarding the healing powers of this substance. > > > > Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its > > medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably > > effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy > > where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only > > medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children > > into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable > > non-stop seizures, but doesn’t affect the children's level of > > consciousness. Parents in states which have not legalized
Re: [Felvtalk] Cannabinol
Amani et al. Thank you for the updates and personal experiences... it is apparent that I have to do some homework on the , now, medical uses of this substance And, yes, isn't always so convenient how laws change when corporations find a way to slide a formerly banned substance into the mainstream in such a way as to make it palatable to both the government watchdogs and the Drug Warriors Wonder when they will find new medical uses for Inhaled Tobacco smoke : ) THAT would be a major coup!! I'm intrigued about the anti Seizure properties...will definitely be looking into this more closely and soon... On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 02:21 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Lysine (dlg...@windstream.net) 2. Re: Lysine (Amani Oakley) 3. Re: Lysine (Amy Glunt) 4. Re: Lysine (Amani Oakley) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 3:26:04 -0500 From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine Message-ID: <20170621042604.CM6GE.74236.root@pamxwww02-z01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I agree on the cannibinol. I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons. It can't be all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious. ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: Amy I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held on to...? At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless? I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent that it IS useful? Yes/No Maybe so? : )? I chose to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for reference...? and Amani ( if you happen to read this)? I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...? With all the Hoopla there must be a pony in there somewhere.. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 17:42:20 + From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company. Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing research regarding the healing powers of this substance. Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but d
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Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some cannabis oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually passed away. I had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately, as I too knew nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical - having been brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of any kind. I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin cancer with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore starting at the corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on topically, put a band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it completely gone. I have used other stuff from the drug mart, and found that it assisted SOMETIMES in shortening the duration of the cold sore, but never before had I had the sore disappear on day one. I then did a Google search on cannabis oil and cold sores, and was stunned to find many many people reporting its significant effectiveness and research which found its effectiveness against herpes viruses. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Glunt Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll hold out hope. Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores. Amy Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see > very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this > substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is > clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial > overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, > the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new > mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on > drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all > scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, > that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of > the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a > pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the > cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no > known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to > being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money > for the drug company. > > Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are > Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing > research regarding the healing powers of this substance. > > Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its > medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably > effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy > where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only > medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into > complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop > seizures, but doesn’t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents > in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole > families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children > suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved > to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted > with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be > very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and > women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. > > With respect to cancer therap
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I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll hold out hope. Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores. Amy Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see > very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this > substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is > clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial > overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, > the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new > mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on > drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all > scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, > that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of > the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a > pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the > cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no > known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to > being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money > for the drug company. > > Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are > Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing > research regarding the healing powers of this substance. > > Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its > medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably > effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy > where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only > medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into > complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop > seizures, but doesn’t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents > in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole > families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children > suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved > to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted > with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be > very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and > women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. > > With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which > occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 > months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with > experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed > complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development > of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has > been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are > nothing short of earth-shattering. > > Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been > helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply > disturbing. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > dlg...@windstream.net > Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine > > I agree on the cannibinol. I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify > making it legal saying it is for medical reasons. It can't be all that > wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious. >
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Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company. Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing research regarding the healing powers of this substance. Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but doesn’t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing short of earth-shattering. Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply disturbing. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine I agree on the cannibinol. I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons. It can't be all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious. ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > Amy I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held on to... At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent that it IS useful Yes/No Maybe so : ) I chose to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for reference... and Amani ( if you happen to read this) I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)... With all the Hoopla there must be a pony in there somewhere.. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I agree on the cannibinol. I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making it legal saying it is for medical reasons. It can't be all that wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious. ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > Amy I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held on to... At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent that it IS useful Yes/No Maybe so : ) I chose to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for reference... and Amani ( if you happen to read this) I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)... With all the Hoopla there must be a pony in there somewhere.. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Amy I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held on to... At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent that it IS useful Yes/No Maybe so : ) I chose to believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for reference... and Amani ( if you happen to read this) I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)... With all the Hoopla there must be a pony in there somewhere.. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Where would one purchase cannabis oil? I have actually never had a cold sore, but I was thinking if it works for that, it might be good for other stuff too……. Thank you, Ardy Robertson, Clerk Town of Garfield – Jackson County, WI N14438 Valleybrook Ln Osseo WI 54758 715-533-0661 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 3:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine Actually, to be honest, what I found stopped my cold sore in its tracks and it has NEVER returned was cannabis oil. It was remarkable. The cold sore disappeared after I applied the oil to the sore overnight, and I have never had a reoccurrence since – I think it has been over a year or close to two now. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Doore Sent: June-20-17 4:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine I too use lysine for canker sores and I give the gel form to my cats. I amVERY pleased with quick response. On Jun 20, 2017 3:26 PM, "Gloria" mailto:gloriajh...@verizon.net> > wrote: Personally- it's L Lysine & I use it to protect myself against the herpes virus - it works for me no doubt about effectiveness!! -g 🇺🇸 Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 20, 2017, at 12:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL <mailto:bcha...@optonline.net> > wrote: > > I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for > Herpes... don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness > but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective I'd prefer to " > believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other > anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of > side effects Once again... have to weight the benefits against the > drawbacks. > > >> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:50 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org >> <mailto:felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org> wrote: >> >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org >> <mailto:felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org> >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >>felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org >> <mailto:felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org> >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (kat) >> 2. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (Marilyn Knapp Litt) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 17:41:56 +0200 >> From: kat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> -- >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:50:04 -0500 >> From: "Marilyn Knapp Litt" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet >> Feline Antioxidant >> Message-ID: <0c7101d2e9dc$e2d80310$a8880930$@marilynlitt.com >> <http://marilynlitt.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus. >> Apparently it has been in use for decades. It is an amino acid, so not >> harmful. Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work. >> Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. >> Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway. >> Antibiotic seems to not b ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That is the important thing, did it work for you. That is how I judge nay thing I take. Marilyn Knapp Litt wrote: > Well put! My philosophy exactly. I am doing what I can and what can I do if > I accept that common remedies do not work? For example I take quinine for my > restless legs. The FDA ruled it does not work . . . but it works for me . . > . > > Marilyn > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > ROBERT CHAPEL > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 2:04 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine > > I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for > Herpes... don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness > but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective I'd prefer to " > believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other > anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of > side effects Once again... > have to weight the benefits against the drawbacks. > > > On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:50 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > wrote: > > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > >1. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (kat) > >2. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (Marilyn Knapp Litt) > > > > > > -- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 17:41:56 +0200 > > From: kat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant > > Message-ID: > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > -- > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:50:04 -0500 > > From: "Marilyn Knapp Litt" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and > > Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant > > Message-ID: <0c7101d2e9dc$e2d80310$a8880930$@marilynlitt.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the > > virus. Apparently it has been in use for decades. It is an amino > > acid, so not harmful. Googling just now I found a study that says it > > does not work. Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect > > my other cats. Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be > > Herpe's anyway. Antibiotic seems to not be working either. I am > > feeding cat food with a syringe and she is going to the vet today for > > a consult on using steroids and Zander's Protocol. > > > > > > Marilyn > > > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > > Of Ardy Robertson > > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 7:09 AM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant > > > > > > May I ask ? what is lycine that was mentioned for use in water dishes > > (not that Topaz drinks out of dishes! But Peekers does.) > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Ardy > > > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was > > scrubbed... > > URL: > > -- > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > -- > > > > End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 38, Issue 15 > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Good to know about the oil, too! Thx! -g 🇺🇸 Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 20, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Actually, to be honest, what I found stopped my cold sore in its tracks and > it has NEVER returned was cannabis oil. It was remarkable. The cold sore > disappeared after I applied the oil to the sore overnight, and I have never > had a reoccurrence since – I think it has been over a year or close to two > now. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam > Doore > Sent: June-20-17 4:11 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine > > I too use lysine for canker sores and I give the gel form to my cats. I > amVERY pleased with quick response. > > On Jun 20, 2017 3:26 PM, "Gloria" wrote: > Personally- it's L Lysine & I use it to protect myself against the herpes > virus - it works for me no doubt about effectiveness!! > > -g 🇺🇸 > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 20, 2017, at 12:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > > > > I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for > > Herpes... don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness > > but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective I'd prefer to " > > believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other > > anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share > > of side effects Once again... have to weight the benefits against the > > drawbacks. > > > > > >> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:50 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > >> wrote: > >> > >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > >>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >>felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (kat) > >> 2. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (Marilyn Knapp Litt) > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 17:41:56 +0200 > >> From: kat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant > >> Message-ID: > >> > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: > >> -- > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:50:04 -0500 > >> From: "Marilyn Knapp Litt" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and > >> Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant > >> Message-ID: <0c7101d2e9dc$e2d80310$a8880930$@marilynlitt.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus. > >> Apparently it has been in use for decades. It is an amino acid, so not > >> harmful. Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work. > >> Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. > >> Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway. > >> Antibiotic seems to not b > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
Actually, to be honest, what I found stopped my cold sore in its tracks and it has NEVER returned was cannabis oil. It was remarkable. The cold sore disappeared after I applied the oil to the sore overnight, and I have never had a reoccurrence since – I think it has been over a year or close to two now. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Doore Sent: June-20-17 4:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine I too use lysine for canker sores and I give the gel form to my cats. I amVERY pleased with quick response. On Jun 20, 2017 3:26 PM, "Gloria" mailto:gloriajh...@verizon.net>> wrote: Personally- it's L Lysine & I use it to protect myself against the herpes virus - it works for me no doubt about effectiveness!! -g 🇺🇸 Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 20, 2017, at 12:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL > mailto:bcha...@optonline.net>> wrote: > > I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for > Herpes... don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness > but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective I'd prefer to " > believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other > anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of > side effects Once again... have to weight the benefits against the > drawbacks. > > >> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:50 AM, >> felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org> >> wrote: >> >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> >> felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org> >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> >> felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org> >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (kat) >> 2. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (Marilyn Knapp Litt) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 17:41:56 +0200 >> From: kat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> -- >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:50:04 -0500 >> From: "Marilyn Knapp Litt" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet >> Feline Antioxidant >> Message-ID: >> <0c7101d2e9dc$e2d80310$a8880930$@marilynlitt.com<http://marilynlitt.com>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus. >> Apparently it has been in use for decades. It is an amino acid, so not >> harmful. Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work. >> Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. >> Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway. >> Antibiotic seems to not b ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
But Amy, I think that's what someone mentioned earlier. It is effective is holding the virus in abeyance, but not in killing the virus. I think if you are dealing with an aggressive virus, it may not be all that effective, but I agree that there doesn't seem to be any downside risk to using it, so why not. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Glunt Sent: June-20-17 4:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine Bob, I'm curious if you could link to the study you mention. I've been taking lysine for years to help with my cold sores and I find that it most definitely IS effective at helping suppress them. Maybe it's different for animals. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > > I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for > Herpes... don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness > but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective I'd prefer to " > believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other > anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of > side effects Once again... have to weight the benefits against the > drawbacks. > > >> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:50 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: >> >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or >> g >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >>felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (kat) >> 2. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (Marilyn Knapp Litt) >> >> >> - >> - >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 17:41:56 +0200 >> From: kat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> -- >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:50:04 -0500 >> From: "Marilyn Knapp Litt" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and >> Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant >> Message-ID: <0c7101d2e9dc$e2d80310$a8880930$@marilynlitt.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus. >> Apparently it has been in use for decades. It is an amino acid, so not >> harmful. Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work. >> Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. >> Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway. >> Antibiotic seems to not be working either. I am feeding cat food with a >> syringe and she is going to the vet today for a consult on using steroids >> and Zander's Protocol. >> >> >> Marilyn >> >> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf >> Of Ardy Robertson >> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 7:09 AM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant >> >> >> May I ask ? what is lycine that was mentioned for use in water dishes >> (not that Topaz drinks out of dishes! But Peekers does.) >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Ardy >> >> -- next part -- An HTML attachment was >> scrubbed... >> URL: >> -- >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or >> g >> >> >> -- >> >> End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 38, Issue 15 >> >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
I too use lysine for canker sores and I give the gel form to my cats. I amVERY pleased with quick response. On Jun 20, 2017 3:26 PM, "Gloria" wrote: > Personally- it's L Lysine & I use it to protect myself against the herpes > virus - it works for me no doubt about effectiveness!! > > -g 🇺🇸 > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 20, 2017, at 12:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL > wrote: > > > > I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for > Herpes... don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness > but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective I'd prefer to " > believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other > anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share > of side effects Once again... have to weight the benefits against the > drawbacks. > > > > > >> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:50 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > wrote: > >> > >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > >>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_ > felineleukemia.org > >> > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >>felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >>felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (kat) > >> 2. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (Marilyn Knapp Litt) > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 17:41:56 +0200 > >> From: kat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant > >> Message-ID: > >> > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: > >> -- > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:50:04 -0500 > >> From: "Marilyn Knapp Litt" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and > Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant > >> Message-ID: <0c7101d2e9dc$e2d80310$a8880930$@marilynlitt.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the > virus. Apparently it has been in use for decades. It is an amino acid, so > not harmful. Googling just now I found a study that says it does not > work. Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. > Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway. > Antibiotic seems to not b > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
Bob, I'm curious if you could link to the study you mention. I've been taking lysine for years to help with my cold sores and I find that it most definitely IS effective at helping suppress them. Maybe it's different for animals. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > > I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for > Herpes... don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness > but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective I'd prefer to " > believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other > anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of > side effects Once again... have to weight the benefits against the > drawbacks. > > >> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:50 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: >> >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >>felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (kat) >> 2. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (Marilyn Knapp Litt) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 17:41:56 +0200 >> From: kat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> -- >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:50:04 -0500 >> From: "Marilyn Knapp Litt" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet >> Feline Antioxidant >> Message-ID: <0c7101d2e9dc$e2d80310$a8880930$@marilynlitt.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus. >> Apparently it has been in use for decades. It is an amino acid, so not >> harmful. Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work. >> Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. >> Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway. >> Antibiotic seems to not be working either. I am feeding cat food with a >> syringe and she is going to the vet today for a consult on using steroids >> and Zander's Protocol. >> >> >> Marilyn >> >> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >> Ardy Robertson >> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 7:09 AM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant >> >> >> May I ask ? what is lycine that was mentioned for use in water dishes (not >> that Topaz drinks out of dishes! But Peekers does.) >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Ardy >> >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> -- >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> -- >> >> End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 38, Issue 15 >> >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
Well put! My philosophy exactly. I am doing what I can and what can I do if I accept that common remedies do not work? For example I take quinine for my restless legs. The FDA ruled it does not work . . . but it works for me . . . Marilyn -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 2:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for Herpes... don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective I'd prefer to " believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of side effects Once again... have to weight the benefits against the drawbacks. On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:50 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (kat) >2. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (Marilyn Knapp Litt) > > > ------ > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 17:41:56 +0200 > From: kat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:50:04 -0500 > From: "Marilyn Knapp Litt" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and > Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant > Message-ID: <0c7101d2e9dc$e2d80310$a8880930$@marilynlitt.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the > virus. Apparently it has been in use for decades. It is an amino > acid, so not harmful. Googling just now I found a study that says it > does not work. Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect > my other cats. Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be > Herpe's anyway. Antibiotic seems to not be working either. I am > feeding cat food with a syringe and she is going to the vet today for > a consult on using steroids and Zander's Protocol. > > > Marilyn > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > Of Ardy Robertson > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 7:09 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant > > > May I ask ? what is lycine that was mentioned for use in water dishes > (not that Topaz drinks out of dishes! But Peekers does.) > > > Thank you, > > Ardy > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > -- > > Subject: Digest Footer > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > -- > > End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 38, Issue 15 > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
Personally- it's L Lysine & I use it to protect myself against the herpes virus - it works for me no doubt about effectiveness!! -g 🇺🇸 Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 20, 2017, at 12:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > > I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for > Herpes... don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness > but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective I'd prefer to " > believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other > anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of > side effects Once again... have to weight the benefits against the > drawbacks. > > >> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:50 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: >> >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >>felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (kat) >> 2. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (Marilyn Knapp Litt) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 17:41:56 +0200 >> From: kat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> -- >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:50:04 -0500 >> From: "Marilyn Knapp Litt" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet >> Feline Antioxidant >> Message-ID: <0c7101d2e9dc$e2d80310$a8880930$@marilynlitt.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus. >> Apparently it has been in use for decades. It is an amino acid, so not >> harmful. Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work. >> Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. >> Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway. >> Antibiotic seems to not b ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for Herpes... don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective I'd prefer to " believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of side effects Once again... have to weight the benefits against the drawbacks. On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:50 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (kat) 2. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (Marilyn Knapp Litt) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 17:41:56 +0200 From: kat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:50:04 -0500 From: "Marilyn Knapp Litt" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Message-ID: <0c7101d2e9dc$e2d80310$a8880930$@marilynlitt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus. Apparently it has been in use for decades. It is an amino acid, so not harmful. Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work. Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway. Antibiotic seems to not be working either. I am feeding cat food with a syringe and she is going to the vet today for a consult on using steroids and Zander's Protocol. Marilyn From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 7:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant May I ask ? what is lycine that was mentioned for use in water dishes (not that Topaz drinks out of dishes! But Peekers does.) Thank you, Ardy -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 38, Issue 15 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus. Apparently it has been in use for decades. It is an amino acid, so not harmful. Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work. Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway. Antibiotic seems to not be working either. I am feeding cat food with a syringe and she is going to the vet today for a consult on using steroids and Zander's Protocol. Marilyn From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 7:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant May I ask – what is lycine that was mentioned for use in water dishes (not that Topaz drinks out of dishes! But Peekers does.) Thank you, Ardy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
Hi Ardy, Lysine, or L-lysine, is an essential amino acid, meaning it is necessary for human health, but the body cannot make it. It has been promoted for use in cats to help prevent or aide in healing Herpesvirus infections in cats (also called feline viral rhinotracheitis). However, recent info has disputed this. For details, see: http://consciouscat.net/2016/01/11/l-lysine-does-not-decrease-symptoms-of-feline-upper-respiratory-infections/ Kat (Mew Jersey) Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 8:09 AM From: "Ardy Robertson" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant May I ask – what is lycine that was mentioned for use in water dishes (not that Topaz drinks out of dishes! But Peekers does.) Thank you, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marilyn Knapp Litt Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:20 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant This is what our vet told us last week. When we found out our Destiny had FeLV, we took our four other cats in. They were all fine except one, Blossom. She is 16 and basically has one kidney, but seemed to be fine with the meds and diet. She is FIV! So not a good month for our cats. I am using lycine in all their water dishes. Marilyn Destiny FeLV and sinus infection From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Shelley Theye Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Hi Sandy, I think that it is the old FIV vaccine that you are thinking of. It is no longer on the market. Once cats were vaccinated with it they would test positive on a SNAP test. Cats vaccinated with the FeLV vaccine will not test positive afterwards, at least that I have ever heard. Shelley On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Sandy <swacht1...@comcast.net> wrote: Thank you Amani - I knew you would be able to be concise and to the point - and with FeLV time can not be wasted. One thing though - would it be wise to retest?? Thank you, Sandy W From: "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:00:17 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Marilyn Sandy is referring to the combination of drugs which I’ve named Zander’s Protocol in honour of my sweet Zander who had FeLV. The combination of Doxycycline, Prednisolone and Winstrol (Stanazolol) pulled him out of a very serious downward spiral when nothing else had worked (including blood transfusion, LTCI and interferon). With all due respect, I would be doubtful that any anti-oxidants or natural remedies can do anything significant against this nasty virus and you don’t have time to waste. Zander’s Protocol: Doxycycline: 25 to 50 mg every 12 hours Prednisolone: 2.5 mg every 12 hours Winstrol: 1-2 mg every 12 hours Before starting the protocol, I suggest a complete blood panel, including haematology and biochemistry panels. If money is tight, focus on the haematology panel, but ask also for a reticulocyte count. If there are concerning results in red cell numbers, haematocrit, reticulocyte counts, etc., and depending and HOW concerning the results are, use 2 mg Winstrol every 12 hours to start. If the results aren’t too bad, 1 mg every 12 hours should be enough. Keep track of the haematology results. I ran bloodwork every week, but if you don’t want to do that, or can’t, consider every other week or at least once a month. I don’t recommend once a month at the outset You need to assess how well the protocol is working at the start. You also need to be able to assess the results by comparing them week to week, if possible, so that the meds can be modified if necessary. If the cat is also having trouble keeping food down and/or getting food to pass well through the intestinal tract, also add 1/5 tablet of metoclopramide before meals. That helps to speed up the emptying of the stomach and increase peristaltic action to move food through the intestinal tract. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Sent: June-18-17 8:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; thyme2s...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk) about Zander's Protocol - consists of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol. IMPORTANT to get your kitty on this ASAP. It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test positive for FeLV - a bummer.
Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
May I ask – what is lycine that was mentioned for use in water dishes (not that Topaz drinks out of dishes! But Peekers does.) Thank you, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marilyn Knapp Litt Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 5:20 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant This is what our vet told us last week. When we found out our Destiny had FeLV, we took our four other cats in. They were all fine except one, Blossom. She is 16 and basically has one kidney, but seemed to be fine with the meds and diet. She is FIV! So not a good month for our cats. I am using lycine in all their water dishes. Marilyn Destiny FeLV and sinus infection From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Shelley Theye Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Hi Sandy, I think that it is the old FIV vaccine that you are thinking of. It is no longer on the market. Once cats were vaccinated with it they would test positive on a SNAP test. Cats vaccinated with the FeLV vaccine will not test positive afterwards, at least that I have ever heard. Shelley On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Sandy mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net> > wrote: Thank you Amani - I knew you would be able to be concise and to the point - and with FeLV time can not be wasted. One thing though - would it be wise to retest?? Thank you, Sandy W _ From: "Amani Oakley" mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:00:17 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Marilyn Sandy is referring to the combination of drugs which I’ve named Zander’s Protocol in honour of my sweet Zander who had FeLV. The combination of Doxycycline, Prednisolone and Winstrol (Stanazolol) pulled him out of a very serious downward spiral when nothing else had worked (including blood transfusion, LTCI and interferon). With all due respect, I would be doubtful that any anti-oxidants or natural remedies can do anything significant against this nasty virus and you don’t have time to waste. Zander’s Protocol: Doxycycline: 25 to 50 mg every 12 hours Prednisolone:2.5 mg every 12 hours Winstrol: 1-2 mg every 12 hours Before starting the protocol, I suggest a complete blood panel, including haematology and biochemistry panels. If money is tight, focus on the haematology panel, but ask also for a reticulocyte count. If there are concerning results in red cell numbers, haematocrit, reticulocyte counts, etc., and depending and HOW concerning the results are, use 2 mg Winstrol every 12 hours to start. If the results aren’t too bad, 1 mg every 12 hours should be enough. Keep track of the haematology results. I ran bloodwork every week, but if you don’t want to do that, or can’t, consider every other week or at least once a month. I don’t recommend once a month at the outset You need to assess how well the protocol is working at the start. You also need to be able to assess the results by comparing them week to week, if possible, so that the meds can be modified if necessary. If the cat is also having trouble keeping food down and/or getting food to pass well through the intestinal tract, also add 1/5 tablet of metoclopramide before meals. That helps to speed up the emptying of the stomach and increase peristaltic action to move food through the intestinal tract. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Sent: June-18-17 8:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> ; thyme2s...@gmail.com <mailto:thyme2s...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk) about Zander's Protocol - consists of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol. IMPORTANT to get your kitty on this ASAP. It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test positive for FeLV - a bummer. Sandy W _ From: "Pam Doore" mailto:thyme2s...@gmail.com> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Hi Marilyn, I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes virus on top of the FeLu. There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to all of their cats to help build up immune system.
Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
thanks for the clarification - Original Message - From: "Marilyn Knapp Litt" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:19:56 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant This is what our vet told us last week. When we found out our Destiny had FeLV, we took our four other cats in. They were all fine except one, Blossom. She is 16 and basically has one kidney, but seemed to be fine with the meds and diet. She is FIV! So not a good month for our cats. I am using lycine in all their water dishes. Marilyn Destiny FeLV and sinus infection From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Shelley Theye Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Hi Sandy, I think that it is the old FIV vaccine that you are thinking of. It is no longer on the market. Once cats were vaccinated with it they would test positive on a SNAP test. Cats vaccinated with the FeLV vaccine will not test positive afterwards, at least that I have ever heard. Shelley On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Sandy < swacht1...@comcast.net > wrote: Thank you Amani - I knew you would be able to be concise and to the point - and with FeLV time can not be wasted. One thing though - would it be wise to retest?? Thank you, Sandy W - Original Message - From: "Amani Oakley" < aoak...@oakleylegal.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:00:17 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Marilyn Sandy is referring to the combination of drugs which I’ve named Zander’s Protocol in honour of my sweet Zander who had FeLV. The combination of Doxycycline, Prednisolone and Winstrol (Stanazolol) pulled him out of a very serious downward spiral when nothing else had worked (including blood transfusion, LTCI and interferon). With all due respect, I would be doubtful that any anti-oxidants or natural remedies can do anything significant against this nasty virus and you don’t have time to waste. Zander’s Protocol: Doxycycline: 25 to 50 mg every 12 hours Prednisolone: 2.5 mg every 12 hours Winstrol: 1-2 mg every 12 hours Before starting the protocol, I suggest a complete blood panel, including haematology and biochemistry panels. If money is tight, focus on the haematology panel, but ask also for a reticulocyte count. If there are concerning results in red cell numbers, haematocrit, reticulocyte counts, etc., and depending and HOW concerning the results are, use 2 mg Winstrol every 12 hours to start. If the results aren’t too bad, 1 mg every 12 hours should be enough. Keep track of the haematology results. I ran bloodwork every week, but if you don’t want to do that, or can’t, consider every other week or at least once a month. I don’t recommend once a month at the outset You need to assess how well the protocol is working at the start. You also need to be able to assess the results by comparing them week to week, if possible, so that the meds can be modified if necessary. If the cat is also having trouble keeping food down and/or getting food to pass well through the intestinal tract, also add 1/5 tablet of metoclopramide before meals. That helps to speed up the emptying of the stomach and increase peristaltic action to move food through the intestinal tract. From: Felvtalk [ mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Sandy Sent: June-18-17 8:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; thyme2s...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk) about Zander's Protocol - consists of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol. IMPORTANT to get your kitty on this ASAP. It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test positive for FeLV - a bummer. Sandy W From: "Pam Doore" < thyme2s...@gmail.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Hi Marilyn, I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes virus on top of the FeLu. There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what the name of that was. It was originally given to humans with HIV. What kind of infection is Destiny fighting? ~~ @ ~ @ ~ @ ~ @ ~ @ Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt < mari...@marilynlitt.com > wrote
Re: [Felvtalk] Prednisolone
Robert, I wouldn't worry about the pred. Cats are much more tolerant of it than dogs or humans, and I've had cats on it for years. It's part of some rescue protocols for cancers, so I'd say go for it. Wishing Gilbert the best... Margo -Original Message- >From: ROBERT CHAPEL >Sent: Jun 19, 2017 1:51 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Prednisolone > >Lorrie.. >Gilbert is not FeLV... He has a Cancerous Tumor... I'm giving him 5mg >of Prednisolone via Tablet >and it has been helping ( though ultimately it may be at a price). >Shelter appears to want o avoid Suboxone and have provided Gabapentin in >syringe to try Have a feeling that I am , once again, going to have >to pay if I want to be sure this guy is not in pain. This shelter >is beginning to aggravate me with their backward ways and they are going >to lose me as a foster parent if this doesn't change.. There are >other organizations that need assistance and I need more cooperation... >Hoping that the pred keeps helping for a while... > > >On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 08:17 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org >wrote: > >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >>1. Pain Meds for Gilbert (ROBERT CHAPEL) >>2. Re: Pain Meds for Gilbert (dlg...@windstream.net) >>3. Re: Gilbert (dlg...@windstream.net) >>4. Re: Pain Meds for Gilbert (Lorrie) >>5. Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (Marilyn Knapp Litt) >>6. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (Pam Doore) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 20:43:56 -0400 (EDT) >> From: ROBERT CHAPEL To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert >> Message-ID: <6f88c64d.a4f7c.15c9ee83388.webtop...@optonline.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no >> >> >> >> Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds? I was hoping there >> was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are >> many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is >> mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got >> them to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already >> helpingHOPE it continues to do so)...? Wondering if anyone had >> used larger doses than 5mg BID.. >> This is a cat? that probably doesn't have a long time to go but one >> never knows? I don't want to play " fast and loose"? with his >> other organ systems by giving to much of a a steroid... Yes... I want >> him comfortable but it would be awful if the tumor receded and I ended >> up screwing up his remaining days with Cushings or Severe Diabetes...? >> I did a rather extensive overview of pain meds for Cats today and >> found it very hard to obtain definitive information? Probably need >> to go to original Vet Sources? Sure hope kitties have natural >> endorphins that keep their pain levels lower because it is DAMN hard >> to find stuff that will help their pain >> BTW...? I gave him a little alprazolam the other night when he was in >> REAL pain ( prior to redosing with Pred) >> He had a paradoxical reaction at first ( acting kitten like and >> climbing things he had NO business being on ...considering that the >> drug had completely screwed up his balance...? He acted like a drunk >> essentially until enough time passed that he could sleep it off ( >> which he did most of the next day)... On the plus side.. he was not in >> obvious pain for at least 10 hours!!...?? >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 5:57:38 -0500 >> From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert >> Message-ID: <2017061306573
Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
This is what our vet told us last week. When we found out our Destiny had FeLV, we took our four other cats in. They were all fine except one, Blossom. She is 16 and basically has one kidney, but seemed to be fine with the meds and diet. She is FIV! So not a good month for our cats. I am using lycine in all their water dishes. Marilyn Destiny FeLV and sinus infection From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Shelley Theye Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Hi Sandy, I think that it is the old FIV vaccine that you are thinking of. It is no longer on the market. Once cats were vaccinated with it they would test positive on a SNAP test. Cats vaccinated with the FeLV vaccine will not test positive afterwards, at least that I have ever heard. Shelley On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Sandy mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net> > wrote: Thank you Amani - I knew you would be able to be concise and to the point - and with FeLV time can not be wasted. One thing though - would it be wise to retest?? Thank you, Sandy W _ From: "Amani Oakley" mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:00:17 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Marilyn Sandy is referring to the combination of drugs which I’ve named Zander’s Protocol in honour of my sweet Zander who had FeLV. The combination of Doxycycline, Prednisolone and Winstrol (Stanazolol) pulled him out of a very serious downward spiral when nothing else had worked (including blood transfusion, LTCI and interferon). With all due respect, I would be doubtful that any anti-oxidants or natural remedies can do anything significant against this nasty virus and you don’t have time to waste. Zander’s Protocol: Doxycycline: 25 to 50 mg every 12 hours Prednisolone:2.5 mg every 12 hours Winstrol: 1-2 mg every 12 hours Before starting the protocol, I suggest a complete blood panel, including haematology and biochemistry panels. If money is tight, focus on the haematology panel, but ask also for a reticulocyte count. If there are concerning results in red cell numbers, haematocrit, reticulocyte counts, etc., and depending and HOW concerning the results are, use 2 mg Winstrol every 12 hours to start. If the results aren’t too bad, 1 mg every 12 hours should be enough. Keep track of the haematology results. I ran bloodwork every week, but if you don’t want to do that, or can’t, consider every other week or at least once a month. I don’t recommend once a month at the outset You need to assess how well the protocol is working at the start. You also need to be able to assess the results by comparing them week to week, if possible, so that the meds can be modified if necessary. If the cat is also having trouble keeping food down and/or getting food to pass well through the intestinal tract, also add 1/5 tablet of metoclopramide before meals. That helps to speed up the emptying of the stomach and increase peristaltic action to move food through the intestinal tract. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Sent: June-18-17 8:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> ; thyme2s...@gmail.com <mailto:thyme2s...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk) about Zander's Protocol - consists of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol. IMPORTANT to get your kitty on this ASAP. It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test positive for FeLV - a bummer. Sandy W _ From: "Pam Doore" mailto:thyme2s...@gmail.com> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Hi Marilyn, I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes virus on top of the FeLu. There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what the name of that was. It was originally given to humans with HIV. What kind of infection is Destiny fighting? ~~@~@~@~@~@ Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt mailto:mari...@marilynlitt.com> > wrote: Has anyone
Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
That is true for FIV not FeLv :). On Jun 19, 2017 5:25 PM, "Margo" wrote: > "It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may > test positive for FeLV - a bummer. " > > No. That's FIV. > > -Original Message- > From: Sandy > Sent: Jun 18, 2017 8:44 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, thyme2s...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant > > Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk) about Zander's Protocol - consists > of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol. IMPORTANT to > get your kitty on this ASAP. > It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may > test positive for FeLV - a bummer. > > Sandy W > > -- > *From: *"Pam Doore" > *To: *felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Sent: *Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM > *Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant > > Hi Marilyn, I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes > virus on top of the FeLu. > There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives > to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what > the name of that was. It was originally given to humans with HIV. > > What kind of infection is Destiny fighting? > > > ~~@~@~@~@~@ > > *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, > Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — **St. Patrick* > > > > On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt < > mari...@marilynlitt.com> wrote: > >> Has anyone used these for FeLV? >> >> >> >> My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to find >> she had FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was treating >> her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible >> truth. I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable. >> She is on an antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it is >> effective. >> >> >> >> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV. >> >> >> >> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find >> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV. Anyone have a suggestion about >> boosting her immune system and fighting this infection? We thought we were >> going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours. >> >> >> >> Thank you! >> >> >> >> >> >> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt >> >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
"It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test positive for FeLV - a bummer. "No. That's FIV.-Original Message- From: Sandy Sent: Jun 18, 2017 8:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, thyme2s...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk) about Zander's Protocol - consists of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol. IMPORTANT to get your kitty on this ASAP.It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test positive for FeLV - a bummer. Sandy WFrom: "Pam Doore" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PMSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline AntioxidantHi Marilyn, I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes virus on top of the FeLu. There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what the name of that was. It was originally given to humans with HIV. What kind of infection is Destiny fighting?~~@~@~@~@~@Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — St. PatrickOn Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt <mari...@marilynlitt.com> wrote:Has anyone used these for FeLV? My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to find she had FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible truth. I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable. She is on an antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it is effective. I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV. I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info on using them with cancer, not FeLV. Anyone have a suggestion about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection? We thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours. Thank you! ~Marilyn Knapp Litt ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Prednisolone
Lorrie.. Gilbert is not FeLV... He has a Cancerous Tumor... I'm giving him 5mg of Prednisolone via Tablet and it has been helping ( though ultimately it may be at a price). Shelter appears to want o avoid Suboxone and have provided Gabapentin in syringe to try Have a feeling that I am , once again, going to have to pay if I want to be sure this guy is not in pain. This shelter is beginning to aggravate me with their backward ways and they are going to lose me as a foster parent if this doesn't change.. There are other organizations that need assistance and I need more cooperation... Hoping that the pred keeps helping for a while... On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 08:17 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Pain Meds for Gilbert (ROBERT CHAPEL) 2. Re: Pain Meds for Gilbert.... (dlg...@windstream.net) 3. Re: Gilbert (dlg...@windstream.net) 4. Re: Pain Meds for Gilbert (Lorrie) 5. Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (Marilyn Knapp Litt) 6. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (Pam Doore) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 20:43:56 -0400 (EDT) From: ROBERT CHAPEL To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert Message-ID: <6f88c64d.a4f7c.15c9ee83388.webtop...@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds? I was hoping there was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got them to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already helpingHOPE it continues to do so)...? Wondering if anyone had used larger doses than 5mg BID.. This is a cat? that probably doesn't have a long time to go but one never knows? I don't want to play " fast and loose"? with his other organ systems by giving to much of a a steroid... Yes... I want him comfortable but it would be awful if the tumor receded and I ended up screwing up his remaining days with Cushings or Severe Diabetes...? I did a rather extensive overview of pain meds for Cats today and found it very hard to obtain definitive information? Probably need to go to original Vet Sources? Sure hope kitties have natural endorphins that keep their pain levels lower because it is DAMN hard to find stuff that will help their pain BTW...? I gave him a little alprazolam the other night when he was in REAL pain ( prior to redosing with Pred) He had a paradoxical reaction at first ( acting kitten like and climbing things he had NO business being on ...considering that the drug had completely screwed up his balance...? He acted like a drunk essentially until enough time passed that he could sleep it off ( which he did most of the next day)... On the plus side.. he was not in obvious pain for at least 10 hours!!...?? -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 5:57:38 -0500 From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert Message-ID: <20170613065738.9WI82.469.root@pamxwww07-z01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Just like in human medicine, things help one problem and cause another. It seems to come down to which problem is the worst or least bad. Just read in Mercola about gene editing to change a person's genetic code. There are unwanted edits which can be harmful. To make a decision for our babies, is hard. If I had been able to stop Annie's pain, I think I would have done anything, but at what cost to her. It is like giving steroids to stop knee pain. They dissolve bone and cause so many other problems, it is not worth it. I found that out when the dr gave me the shots in my knees. My blood sugar shot up to 700 for about 3 days. I now take hyaleuronic injections that do not affect my blood sugar. In fact they don't seem to have any side effects. They cost almost twice as much but last for 6 months so the cost comes out the same. I just wish they could talk so they could tell us when and where they hurt, but their instinct is to hide pain so predators will not know they are disabled in any wa
Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
Yes, cats can take collodial silver. Both topically & internally. Kat (Mew Jersey) Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant I am wondering if colloidial silver would help. I am soon going in for heart surgery and am taking mine with me to super bug infections. Can cats take this? Just a thought. Marilyn Knapp Litt wrote: > Has anyone used these for FeLV? > > > > My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to find > she had FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was treating her > and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible > truth. I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable. > She is on an antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it is > effective. > > > > I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV. > > > > I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info > on using them with cancer, not FeLV. Anyone have a suggestion about > boosting her immune system and fighting this infection? We thought we were > going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours. > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > ~Marilyn Knapp Litt > > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
No. A cat vaccinated for FIV can test pos. Not FELV. On Sunday, June 18, 2017, Sandy wrote: > Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk) about Zander's Protocol - consists > of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol. IMPORTANT to > get your kitty on this ASAP. > It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may > test positive for FeLV - a bummer. > > Sandy W > > -- > *From: *"Pam Doore" > > *To: *felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > *Sent: *Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM > *Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant > > Hi Marilyn, I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes > virus on top of the FeLu. > There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives > to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what > the name of that was. It was originally given to humans with HIV. > > What kind of infection is Destiny fighting? > > > ~~@~@~@~@~@ > > *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, > Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — **St. Patrick* > > > > On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt < > mari...@marilynlitt.com > > wrote: > >> Has anyone used these for FeLV? >> >> >> >> My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to find >> she had FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was treating >> her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible >> truth. I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable. >> She is on an antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it is >> effective. >> >> >> >> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV. >> >> >> >> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find >> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV. Anyone have a suggestion about >> boosting her immune system and fighting this infection? We thought we were >> going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours. >> >> >> >> Thank you! >> >> >> >> >> >> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt >> >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
Hi Sandy, I think that it is the old FIV vaccine that you are thinking of. It is no longer on the market. Once cats were vaccinated with it they would test positive on a SNAP test. Cats vaccinated with the FeLV vaccine will not test positive afterwards, at least that I have ever heard. Shelley > On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:08 AM, Sandy wrote: > > Thank you Amani - I knew you would be able to be concise and to the point - > and with FeLV time can not be wasted. One thing though - would it be wise to > retest?? > > Thank you, > > Sandy W > > From: "Amani Oakley" > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:00:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant > > Marilyn > > Sandy is referring to the combination of drugs which I’ve named Zander’s > Protocol in honour of my sweet Zander who had FeLV. The combination of > Doxycycline, Prednisolone and Winstrol (Stanazolol) pulled him out of a very > serious downward spiral when nothing else had worked (including blood > transfusion, LTCI and interferon). With all due respect, I would be doubtful > that any anti-oxidants or natural remedies can do anything significant > against this nasty virus and you don’t have time to waste. > > Zander’s Protocol: Doxycycline: 25 to 50 mg every 12 hours > > Prednisolone:2.5 mg every 12 hours > > Winstrol: 1-2 mg every 12 hours > > Before starting the protocol, I suggest a complete blood panel, including > haematology and biochemistry panels. If money is tight, focus on the > haematology panel, but ask also for a reticulocyte count. If there are > concerning results in red cell numbers, haematocrit, reticulocyte counts, > etc., and depending and HOW concerning the results are, use 2 mg Winstrol > every 12 hours to start. If the results aren’t too bad, 1 mg every 12 hours > should be enough. > > Keep track of the haematology results. I ran bloodwork every week, but if you > don’t want to do that, or can’t, consider every other week or at least once a > month. I don’t recommend once a month at the outset You need to assess how > well the protocol is working at the start. You also need to be able to assess > the results by comparing them week to week, if possible, so that the meds can > be modified if necessary. > > If the cat is also having trouble keeping food down and/or getting food to > pass well through the intestinal tract, also add 1/5 tablet of metoclopramide > before meals. That helps to speed up the emptying of the stomach and increase > peristaltic action to move food through the intestinal tract. > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy > Sent: June-18-17 8:45 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; thyme2s...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant > > Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk) about Zander's Protocol - consists of > doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol. IMPORTANT to get > your kitty on this ASAP. > It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test > positive for FeLV - a bummer. > > Sandy W > > From: "Pam Doore" mailto:thyme2s...@gmail.com>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant > > Hi Marilyn, I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes > virus on top of the FeLu. > There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to > all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what the > name of that was. It was originally given to humans with HIV. > > What kind of infection is Destiny fighting? > > > ~~@~@~@~@~@ > > Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, > Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick > > > On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt <mailto:mari...@marilynlitt.com>> wrote: > > Has anyone used these for FeLV? > > My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to find she > had FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was treating her and > the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible truth. I > am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable. She is on an > antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it is effective. > > I am going to get DMG because frien
Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
I am wondering if colloidial silver would help. I am soon going in for heart surgery and am taking mine with me to super bug infections. Can cats take this? Just a thought. Marilyn Knapp Litt wrote: > Has anyone used these for FeLV? > > > > My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to find > she had FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was treating her > and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible > truth. I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable. > She is on an antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it is > effective. > > > > I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV. > > > > I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info > on using them with cancer, not FeLV. Anyone have a suggestion about > boosting her immune system and fighting this infection? We thought we were > going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours. > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > ~Marilyn Knapp Litt > > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
Thank you Amani - I knew you would be able to be concise and to the point - and with FeLV time can not be wasted. One thing though - would it be wise to retest?? Thank you, Sandy W - Original Message - From: "Amani Oakley" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:00:17 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Marilyn Sandy is referring to the combination of drugs which I’ve named Zander’s Protocol in honour of my sweet Zander who had FeLV. The combination of Doxycycline, Prednisolone and Winstrol (Stanazolol) pulled him out of a very serious downward spiral when nothing else had worked (including blood transfusion, LTCI and interferon). With all due respect, I would be doubtful that any anti-oxidants or natural remedies can do anything significant against this nasty virus and you don’t have time to waste. Zander’s Protocol: Doxycycline: 25 to 50 mg every 12 hours Prednisolone: 2.5 mg every 12 hours Winstrol: 1-2 mg every 12 hours Before starting the protocol, I suggest a complete blood panel, including haematology and biochemistry panels. If money is tight, focus on the haematology panel, but ask also for a reticulocyte count. If there are concerning results in red cell numbers, haematocrit, reticulocyte counts, etc., and depending and HOW concerning the results are, use 2 mg Winstrol every 12 hours to start. If the results aren’t too bad, 1 mg every 12 hours should be enough. Keep track of the haematology results. I ran bloodwork every week, but if you don’t want to do that, or can’t, consider every other week or at least once a month. I don’t recommend once a month at the outset. You need to assess how well the protocol is working at the start. You also need to be able to assess the results by comparing them week to week, if possible, so that the meds can be modified if necessary. If the cat is also having trouble keeping food down and/or getting food to pass well through the intestinal tract, also add 1/5 tablet of metoclopramide before meals. That helps to speed up the emptying of the stomach and increase peristaltic action to move food through the intestinal tract. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Sent: June-18-17 8:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; thyme2s...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk) about Zander's Protocol - consists of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol. IMPORTANT to get your kitty on this ASAP. It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test positive for FeLV - a bummer. Sandy W - Original Message - From: "Pam Doore" < thyme2s...@gmail.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Hi Marilyn, I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes virus on top of the FeLu. There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what the name of that was. It was originally given to humans with HIV. What kind of infection is Destiny fighting? ~~ @ ~ @ ~ @ ~ @ ~ @ Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt < mari...@marilynlitt.com > wrote: Has anyone used these for FeLV? My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to find she had FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible truth. I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable. She is on an antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it is effective. I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV. I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info on using them with cancer, not FeLV. Anyone have a suggestion about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection? We thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours. Thank you! ~Marilyn Knapp Litt ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
Marilyn Sandy is referring to the combination of drugs which I’ve named Zander’s Protocol in honour of my sweet Zander who had FeLV. The combination of Doxycycline, Prednisolone and Winstrol (Stanazolol) pulled him out of a very serious downward spiral when nothing else had worked (including blood transfusion, LTCI and interferon). With all due respect, I would be doubtful that any anti-oxidants or natural remedies can do anything significant against this nasty virus and you don’t have time to waste. Zander’s Protocol: Doxycycline: 25 to 50 mg every 12 hours Prednisolone:2.5 mg every 12 hours Winstrol: 1-2 mg every 12 hours Before starting the protocol, I suggest a complete blood panel, including haematology and biochemistry panels. If money is tight, focus on the haematology panel, but ask also for a reticulocyte count. If there are concerning results in red cell numbers, haematocrit, reticulocyte counts, etc., and depending and HOW concerning the results are, use 2 mg Winstrol every 12 hours to start. If the results aren’t too bad, 1 mg every 12 hours should be enough. Keep track of the haematology results. I ran bloodwork every week, but if you don’t want to do that, or can’t, consider every other week or at least once a month. I don’t recommend once a month at the outset. You need to assess how well the protocol is working at the start. You also need to be able to assess the results by comparing them week to week, if possible, so that the meds can be modified if necessary. If the cat is also having trouble keeping food down and/or getting food to pass well through the intestinal tract, also add 1/5 tablet of metoclopramide before meals. That helps to speed up the emptying of the stomach and increase peristaltic action to move food through the intestinal tract. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Sent: June-18-17 8:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; thyme2s...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk) about Zander's Protocol - consists of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol. IMPORTANT to get your kitty on this ASAP. It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test positive for FeLV - a bummer. Sandy W From: "Pam Doore" mailto:thyme2s...@gmail.com>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Hi Marilyn, I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes virus on top of the FeLu. There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what the name of that was. It was originally given to humans with HIV. What kind of infection is Destiny fighting? ~~@~@~@~@~@ Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt mailto:mari...@marilynlitt.com>> wrote: Has anyone used these for FeLV? My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to find she had FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible truth. I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable. She is on an antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it is effective. I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV. I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info on using them with cancer, not FeLV. Anyone have a suggestion about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection? We thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours. Thank you! ~Marilyn Knapp Litt ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk) about Zander's Protocol - consists of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol. IMPORTANT to get your kitty on this ASAP. It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may test positive for FeLV - a bummer. Sandy W - Original Message - From: "Pam Doore" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant Hi Marilyn, I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes virus on top of the FeLu. There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what the name of that was. It was originally given to humans with HIV. What kind of infection is Destiny fighting? ~~ @ ~ @ ~ @ ~ @ ~ @ Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt < mari...@marilynlitt.com > wrote: Has anyone used these for FeLV? My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to find she had FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible truth. I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable. She is on an antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it is effective. I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV. I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info on using them with cancer, not FeLV. Anyone have a suggestion about boosting her immune system and fighting this infection? We thought we were going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours. Thank you! ~Marilyn Knapp Litt ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
Hi Marilyn, I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes virus on top of the FeLu. There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what the name of that was. It was originally given to humans with HIV. What kind of infection is Destiny fighting? ~~@~@~@~@~@ *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — **St. Patrick* On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt wrote: > Has anyone used these for FeLV? > > > > My kitty, Destiny, is battling a bad infection. We were shocked to find > she had FeLV. She had had the shot and a booster. The vet was treating > her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible > truth. I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable. > She is on an antibiotic. I am giving her Essiac tea. No idea if it is > effective. > > > > I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV. > > > > I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find > info on using them with cancer, not FeLV. Anyone have a suggestion about > boosting her immune system and fighting this infection? We thought we were > going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours. > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > ~Marilyn Knapp Litt > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert....
On 06-12, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > > > Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds I was hoping there > was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are > many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is > mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got them > to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already > helpingHOPE it continues to do so)... Wondering if anyone had used > larger doses than 5mg BID.. Do you mean .5ml which is half of a 1ml syringe? My IBD cat gets .5 of prednisolone once a day and is doing very well on it. It does affect a cats immune system which is why it works well with inflamatory problems like IBD (Inflamatory Bowel Disease), but I never heard of using steroids for FelV positive cats, since their immune systems are already compromised. I will be very interested in hearing about this. Perhaps I missed some of your posts. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
I am keeping my vet up to date on things that have worked in the past for other FELV kitties so she can add them to her arsenal and study them on her own. I am so glad to have found someone who is willing to work with me and at least check it out for herself. Ardy Robertson wrote: > I am probably a little late responding – I didn’t check my emails for a few > days, but I used buprenorphine on my Tigger also for his pain. One night > during the night he came running and jumped up in bed with us and was showing > signs of pain. I cut the dose in fourths, so I was giving him the smallest > amount that would work, and I gave it to him in a syringe without the needle > part. He seemed to ask for it. It did not make him drowsy, and worked very > fast. > > Ardy > > > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Sheri Burbridge > Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:15 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert > > > > Thank you for loving him so hard during his last days. It will undoubtedly be > difficult to see him go but it's the price we pay to give them the quality of > life they deserve. > > My Mo was on buprenorphine in his last week. It was in little syringes that > went right on the gums/tongue, maybe it would help? It can make them sleepy > but I don't think it put him in a stupor. > > I hope you find something to help him, it's so hard to see them struggle. > > > > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017, 1:04 PM <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net> > wrote: > > While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats around his > favorite up high places in case he falls and block off stairs. This way he > could still be free to roam. I hope you will find some meds for him and he > can be close to you when the time comes. As for not getting attached, that > is impossible. Five minutes after they are with you, you have lost. God b e > with you both and give him a peaceful passing. > > ROBERT CHAPEL mailto:bcha...@optonline.net> > > wrote: > > My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous > Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is > beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his > paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off > and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking > motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw > I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the > shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted > to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or > amelioration I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to > have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, > in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day > or exploring a little bit. As predicted I am going to be > heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I > was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but > apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest, > gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to > sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the > " ignore" center in his brain : )... The fact that his balance is a > little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the > affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into > his genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about > watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do... Have > any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put > your cats into a stupor I'm worried about my boy because he is > already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... > would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something > and missisng.. Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" > room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter > so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein > for as long as I can. > Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute > > Bob > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert....
Just like in human medicine, things help one problem and cause another. It seems to come down to which problem is the worst or least bad. Just read in Mercola about gene editing to change a person's genetic code. There are unwanted edits which can be harmful. To make a decision for our babies, is hard. If I had been able to stop Annie's pain, I think I would have done anything, but at what cost to her. It is like giving steroids to stop knee pain. They dissolve bone and cause so many other problems, it is not worth it. I found that out when the dr gave me the shots in my knees. My blood sugar shot up to 700 for about 3 days. I now take hyaleuronic injections that do not affect my blood sugar. In fact they don't seem to have any side effects. They cost almost twice as much but last for 6 months so the cost comes out the same. I just wish they could talk so they could tell us when and where they hurt, but their instinct is to hide pain so predators will not know they are disabled in any way. ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds I was hoping there was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got them to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already helpingHOPE it continues to do so)... Wondering if anyone had used larger doses than 5mg BID.. This is a cat that probably doesn't have a long time to go but one never knows I don't want to play " fast and loose" with his other organ systems by giving to much of a a steroid... Yes... I want him comfortable but it would be awful if the tumor receded and I ended up screwing up his remaining days with Cushings or Severe Diabetes... I did a rather extensive overview of pain meds for Cats today and found it very hard to obtain definitive information Probably need to go to original Vet Sources Sure hope kitties have natural endorphins that keep their pain levels lower because it is DAMN hard to find stuff that will help their pain BTW... I gave him a little alprazolam the other night when he was in REAL pain ( prior to redosing with Pred) He had a paradoxical reaction at first ( acting kitten like and climbing things he had NO business being on ...considering that the drug had completely screwed up his balance... He acted like a drunk essentially until enough time passed that he could sleep it off ( which he did most of the next day)... On the plus side.. he was not in obvious pain for at least 10 hours!!... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
I am probably a little late responding – I didn’t check my emails for a few days, but I used buprenorphine on my Tigger also for his pain. One night during the night he came running and jumped up in bed with us and was showing signs of pain. I cut the dose in fourths, so I was giving him the smallest amount that would work, and I gave it to him in a syringe without the needle part. He seemed to ask for it. It did not make him drowsy, and worked very fast. Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sheri Burbridge Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert Thank you for loving him so hard during his last days. It will undoubtedly be difficult to see him go but it's the price we pay to give them the quality of life they deserve. My Mo was on buprenorphine in his last week. It was in little syringes that went right on the gums/tongue, maybe it would help? It can make them sleepy but I don't think it put him in a stupor. I hope you find something to help him, it's so hard to see them struggle. On Thu, Jun 8, 2017, 1:04 PM mailto:dlg...@windstream.net> > wrote: While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats around his favorite up high places in case he falls and block off stairs. This way he could still be free to roam. I hope you will find some meds for him and he can be close to you when the time comes. As for not getting attached, that is impossible. Five minutes after they are with you, you have lost. God b e with you both and give him a peaceful passing. ROBERT CHAPEL mailto:bcha...@optonline.net> > wrote: > My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or amelioration I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day or exploring a little bit. As predicted I am going to be heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest, gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the " ignore" center in his brain : )... The fact that his balance is a little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into his genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do... Have any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put your cats into a stupor I'm worried about my boy because he is already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something and missisng.. Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein for as long as I can. Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute Bob > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Krammer
He doesn't have a fever and his weight is steady, so I'm bringing him home with subcu fluids and a dose of appetite stimulate. I already opted not to do chemo for the nasal tumor so we're just enjoying life with him one day at a time. On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Sheri Burbridge wrote: > Keeping you and Krammie in my thoughts today, I hope he is feeling better > tonight. Please let us know how you're both doing when you can. > > Sheri > > On Mon, Jun 12, 2017, 9:00 AM kat wrote: > >> Prayers & Hugs for both Krammer & you. >> >> Kat (Mew Jersey) >> >> *Sent:* Monday, June 12, 2017 at 8:51 AM >> *From:* "Katherine K." >> *To:* "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Krammer >> Hi everyone, please keep my 14 year old tuxedo boy in your thoughts >> today. Krammie declined over the weekend and was very lethargic, not eating >> much, and has the sneezes and sniffles (he has a nasal tumor which >> is causing to the last part). I dropped him at the vet this morning for >> monitoring while I am at work. Thank you. >> >> Katherine >> ___ Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/ >> mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Krammer
Keeping you and Krammie in my thoughts today, I hope he is feeling better tonight. Please let us know how you're both doing when you can. Sheri On Mon, Jun 12, 2017, 9:00 AM kat wrote: > Prayers & Hugs for both Krammer & you. > > Kat (Mew Jersey) > > *Sent:* Monday, June 12, 2017 at 8:51 AM > *From:* "Katherine K." > *To:* "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Krammer > Hi everyone, please keep my 14 year old tuxedo boy in your thoughts today. > Krammie declined over the weekend and was very lethargic, not eating much, > and has the sneezes and sniffles (he has a nasal tumor which is causing to > the last part). I dropped him at the vet this morning for monitoring while > I am at work. Thank you. > > Katherine > ___ Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Krammer
Prayers & Hugs for both Krammer & you. Kat (Mew Jersey) Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 at 8:51 AM From: "Katherine K." To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: [Felvtalk] Krammer Hi everyone, please keep my 14 year old tuxedo boy in your thoughts today. Krammie declined over the weekend and was very lethargic, not eating much, and has the sneezes and sniffles (he has a nasal tumor which is causing to the last part). I dropped him at the vet this morning for monitoring while I am at work. Thank you. Katherine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
Anything that avoids putting things into their mouths is good by me. Even Annie as sick as she was, she fought like a full grown tiger. It was hard to hold her and administer the meds at the same time and I did not know anyone who was willing to help me. Plus, she was is such a state by the time we finished that I felt guilty for doing this to her. Amani Oakley wrote: > Hi Marge > > My vet has mentioned to me that the transdermal isn’t always dependable, and > that different clients have had different experiences with it. I personally > prefer it because it avoids having to put something in the cat's mouth, and > especially with a really sick cat who may need other medications or food fed > to him or her, it is just one less thing to have to get into their mouths. I > have never had a problem with the effectiveness of the transdermal. However, > I agree with you that an immediate absorption of the buprenorphine close to > the site you want to effect, is a good option. That is a reason I like the > transdermal in the ear as well, since it is fairly close to the mouth as well. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo > Sent: June-08-17 7:27 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. > > > > For my girl with the oral cancer, it seemed to help that it was given right > at the source of the pain. We got a curved tip syringe and it was tiny at the > end. Just slipped between her lips without seeming to cause pain. The > injectible was much slower to show effect, as was the transdermal. > > But every cat and situation is different. I hope you find something that > works for Gilbert > > > Margo > > > -Original Message- > >From: Amani Oakley > >Sent: Jun 8, 2017 5:53 PM > >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. > > > >Bob - my vets get buprenorphine in a transdermal cream which gets applied to > >the inner ear. The cream is specially compounded by a vet compounding > >pharmacy they use. I find it very effective and certainly helps not having > >to give it orally when the mouth hurts. > > > >Amani > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > >ROBERT CHAPEL > >Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM > >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. > > > >Thanks Sheri... > > > >The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( > >which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of > >experience with _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was > >plagued with Uveitis... He was on it quite a while... I gave a syringe to > >Gilbert and it appeared to help a bit... may be the best choice... I don't > >know, but wanted to ask the group if they've used other things... > >Particularly since Gilberts mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer > >something injectable or something that could be added to his food The > >only reliable way to medicate him right now without causing him discomfort > >is subq ... so I guess he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange > >for a longer period of more comfort... > >> > > > >___ > >Felvtalk mailing list > >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >___ > >Felvtalk mailing list > >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
Hi Margo My vet has mentioned to me that the transdermal isn’t always dependable, and that different clients have had different experiences with it. I personally prefer it because it avoids having to put something in the cat's mouth, and especially with a really sick cat who may need other medications or food fed to him or her, it is just one less thing to have to get into their mouths. I have never had a problem with the effectiveness of the transdermal. However, I agree with you that an immediate absorption of the buprenorphine close to the site you want to effect, is a good option. That is a reason I like the transdermal in the ear as well, since it is fairly close to the mouth as well. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo Sent: June-08-17 7:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. For my girl with the oral cancer, it seemed to help that it was given right at the source of the pain. We got a curved tip syringe and it was tiny at the end. Just slipped between her lips without seeming to cause pain. The injectible was much slower to show effect, as was the transdermal. But every cat and situation is different. I hope you find something that works for Gilbert Margo -Original Message- >From: Amani Oakley >Sent: Jun 8, 2017 5:53 PM >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. > >Bob - my vets get buprenorphine in a transdermal cream which gets applied to >the inner ear. The cream is specially compounded by a vet compounding pharmacy >they use. I find it very effective and certainly helps not having to give it >orally when the mouth hurts. > >Amani > >-Original Message- >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >ROBERT CHAPEL >Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. > >Thanks Sheri... > >The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( >which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience >with _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with >Uveitis... He was on it quite a while... I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it >appeared to help a bit... may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted >to ask the group if they've used other things... Particularly since Gilberts >mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or >something that could be added to his food The only reliable way to >medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ... so I guess >he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of >more comfort... >> > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert...
Amani, Margo et al Thank you for the input I am quite familiar with oral buprenorphine having dosed my boys more times than I care to recall... was hoping there might be something else as well but after doing my due diligence on the Web it does appear that cats pose significant challenges when their pain is not joint related... He's already been on one course of Prednisolone...but...frankly, given his condition I don't know why they are not giving it to him chronically. and yes...I agree..ANY thing that can help to reduce inflammation would be a plus... I was fairly into Herbal Tx at one time some years ago but need to look more into it for cats... Wasn't particularly impressed at the results I got but others swear by Herbs ( potency is so variable it's hard to say for certain) When I took Gilbert it was WITH the understanding that I would be hospice fostering him... not looking for cures but amelioration of any discomfort he might have is priority one for ME... I'm over a barrel now because if they don't agree with what i feel he needs for pain I either have to return him to them ( THAT would be very difficult... or pay for it myself... and that violates the terms of fostering the cat But... I doubt they would have an issue they already know what I will propose if they don't agree Buprenorphine isn't prohibitively expensive if purchased in vials and I fill the syringes myself... it would be if it were purchased FROM a vet in prefilled syringes Fortunately he does not yet appear to be in MAJOR pain ( not hiding out, vocalizing, getting aggressive or ceasing eating. but his IS uncomfortable and this will doubtless progress as the tumor grows. Will discuss Prednisolone and Buprenorphine with the shelter vet and director.. Bob ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
For my girl with the oral cancer, it seemed to help that it was given right at the source of the pain. We got a curved tip syringe and it was tiny at the end. Just slipped between her lips without seeming to cause pain. The injectible was much slower to show effect, as was the transdermal. But every cat and situation is different. I hope you find something that works for Gilbert Margo -Original Message- >From: Amani Oakley >Sent: Jun 8, 2017 5:53 PM >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. > >Bob - my vets get buprenorphine in a transdermal cream which gets applied to >the inner ear. The cream is specially compounded by a vet compounding pharmacy >they use. I find it very effective and certainly helps not having to give it >orally when the mouth hurts. > >Amani > >-Original Message- >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >ROBERT CHAPEL >Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. > >Thanks Sheri... > >The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( >which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience >with _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with >Uveitis... He was on it quite a while... I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it >appeared to help a bit... may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted >to ask the group if they've used other things... Particularly since Gilberts >mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or >something that could be added to his food The only reliable way to >medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ... so I guess >he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of >more comfort... >> > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
Buprenex/buprenorphine. It is what I have used in many cats, it's very effective, dose is easily adjusted for each cat, and it's simple to give. I get it from Diamndbackdrugs; http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com/medication-search/?wpv_column_sort_id=post_date&wpv_column_sort_dir=desc&wpv_paged_preload_reach=1&wpv_view_count=1&wpv_post_id=2060&wpcf-name=BUPRENORPHINE&wpv_filter_submit=Search but most shelters should have it. Oral is best, works the fastest, and just has to go IN the cat's mouth, NOT be swallowed. I had a cat with oral SCC, and she seemed happy and pain free to the end. Since this is a Foster cat, I don't think the shelter is going to pursue much in the way of treatment, but as Amani said prednisolone can only help. And readily available. Thank you for being his soft place to fall, and a final loving home. So many never find that. I know how hard it is, please know you are making a huge difference in a small, but very important, life. Margo -Original Message- >From: ROBERT CHAPEL >Sent: Jun 8, 2017 12:20 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert > >My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous >Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is >beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his >paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off >and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking >motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw >I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the >shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted >to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or >amelioration I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to >have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, >in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day >or exploring a little bit. As predicted I am going to be >heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I >was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but >apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest, >gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to >sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the >" ignore" center in his brain : )... The fact that his balance is a >little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the >affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into >his genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about >watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do... Have >any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put >your cats into a stupor I'm worried about my boy because he is >already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... >would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something >and missisng.. Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" >room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter >so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein >for as long as I can. >Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute > >Bob > > >> > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
Bob - my vets get buprenorphine in a transdermal cream which gets applied to the inner ear. The cream is specially compounded by a vet compounding pharmacy they use. I find it very effective and certainly helps not having to give it orally when the mouth hurts. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. Thanks Sheri... The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience with _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with Uveitis... He was on it quite a while... I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it appeared to help a bit... may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted to ask the group if they've used other things... Particularly since Gilberts mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or something that could be added to his food The only reliable way to medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ... so I guess he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of more comfort... > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Shelters and Sanctuaries for FelV
I am planning to send my babies to Rustic Hollow in Iowa when I pass away. They do ask a fee, but my guys are on special food and this has to cover vet bills also since they will be there for the rest of their lives. All things considered, it is not too high for me to be sure my babies will have a good home. They also take FELV positive kitties. Pam Doore wrote: > Thank you, Bob. I will be in touch with the two that you mentioned. > Before I adopted my momma and her two boys I was looking for rescues to > take them. I found two; one required $1,000 surrender fee and the other > was a $3,000 surrender fee. Unfortunately though, and I understand the > financial need to shelters caring for FeLv cats, those two surrender fees > were cost prohibitive. > > I am looking forward to learning from this group :-D. > > Pam :) > On Jun 8, 2017 12:36 PM, "ROBERT CHAPEL" wrote: > > > Pam... > > > > > > Loveandhopeforanimals http://loveandhopeforanimals.org > > (a well funded operation in Upstate New York) and > > Aslanscats also in the Northeast > > Are the only ones that come to mind at the moment...Also you might > > give a look at Seer Farms in Lakewood NJ. These are the only ones > > that are driveable distance from where I get the impression you are > > from.I know there are others but the small operations are often > > questionable as they are often well meaning but frequently so underfunded > > that the animals do not get adequate care I don't think most of us > > want to send these more unfortunate creatures simply off to a place that > > will treat them like Hospice Pets ( unless they are truly close to > > death) When I first got my FeLV boys I did a LOT of calling around > > the US to shelters and Sanctuaries that looked after FeLV cats and one call > > led to contacts at another and so onit's been a while but would > > recommend you do the same Frankly... the best care info I received was > > from this group... but that does not obviate the possibility that there are > > others out there that have execellent suggestions or resources that would > > be helpful.. Sorry I can't provide more but , though retired, I'm > > swamped with things that MUST be done today... > > > > Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Shelters and Sanctuaries for FelV
Thank you, Bob. I will be in touch with the two that you mentioned. Before I adopted my momma and her two boys I was looking for rescues to take them. I found two; one required $1,000 surrender fee and the other was a $3,000 surrender fee. Unfortunately though, and I understand the financial need to shelters caring for FeLv cats, those two surrender fees were cost prohibitive. I am looking forward to learning from this group :-D. Pam :) On Jun 8, 2017 12:36 PM, "ROBERT CHAPEL" wrote: > Pam... > > > Loveandhopeforanimals http://loveandhopeforanimals.org > (a well funded operation in Upstate New York) and > Aslanscats also in the Northeast > Are the only ones that come to mind at the moment...Also you might > give a look at Seer Farms in Lakewood NJ. These are the only ones > that are driveable distance from where I get the impression you are > from.I know there are others but the small operations are often > questionable as they are often well meaning but frequently so underfunded > that the animals do not get adequate care I don't think most of us > want to send these more unfortunate creatures simply off to a place that > will treat them like Hospice Pets ( unless they are truly close to > death) When I first got my FeLV boys I did a LOT of calling around > the US to shelters and Sanctuaries that looked after FeLV cats and one call > led to contacts at another and so onit's been a while but would > recommend you do the same Frankly... the best care info I received was > from this group... but that does not obviate the possibility that there are > others out there that have execellent suggestions or resources that would > be helpful.. Sorry I can't provide more but , though retired, I'm > swamped with things that MUST be done today... > > Bob > > > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
Bob - one thing to also consider is that you might get some reprieve by reducing the size of the tumour or more correctly, the swelling (edema) around the tumour, through the use of predisone/prednisolone and/or other meds like mannitol or decadron. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. Thanks Sheri... The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience with _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with Uveitis... He was on it quite a while... I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it appeared to help a bit... may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted to ask the group if they've used other things... Particularly since Gilberts mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or something that could be added to his food The only reliable way to medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ... so I guess he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of more comfort... > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
Thanks Sheri... The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience with _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with Uveitis... He was on it quite a while... I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it appeared to help a bit... may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted to ask the group if they've used other things... Particularly since Gilberts mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or something that could be added to his food The only reliable way to medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ... so I guess he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of more comfort... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
Thank you for loving him so hard during his last days. It will undoubtedly be difficult to see him go but it's the price we pay to give them the quality of life they deserve. My Mo was on buprenorphine in his last week. It was in little syringes that went right on the gums/tongue, maybe it would help? It can make them sleepy but I don't think it put him in a stupor. I hope you find something to help him, it's so hard to see them struggle. On Thu, Jun 8, 2017, 1:04 PM wrote: > While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats around > his favorite up high places in case he falls and block off stairs. This > way he could still be free to roam. I hope you will find some meds for him > and he can be close to you when the time comes. As for not getting > attached, that is impossible. Five minutes after they are with you, you > have lost. God b e with you both and give him a peaceful passing. > > ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > > My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous > Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is > beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his > paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off > and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking > motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw > I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the > shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted > to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or > amelioration I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to > have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, > in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day > or exploring a little bit. As predicted I am going to be > heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I > was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but > apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest, > gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to > sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the > " ignore" center in his brain : )... The fact that his balance is a > little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the > affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into > his genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about > watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do... Have > any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put > your cats into a stupor I'm worried about my boy because he is > already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... > would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something > and missisng.. Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" > room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter > so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein > for as long as I can. > Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute > > Bob > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats around his favorite up high places in case he falls and block off stairs. This way he could still be free to roam. I hope you will find some meds for him and he can be close to you when the time comes. As for not getting attached, that is impossible. Five minutes after they are with you, you have lost. God b e with you both and give him a peaceful passing. ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or amelioration I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day or exploring a little bit. As predicted I am going to be heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest, gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the " ignore" center in his brain : )... The fact that his balance is a little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into his genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do... Have any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put your cats into a stupor I'm worried about my boy because he is already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something and missisng.. Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein for as long as I can. Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute Bob > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Shelters and Sanctuaries for FelV
Pam... Loveandhopeforanimals http://loveandhopeforanimals.org (a well funded operation in Upstate New York) and Aslanscats also in the Northeast Are the only ones that come to mind at the moment... Also you might give a look at Seer Farms in Lakewood NJ. These are the only ones that are driveable distance from where I get the impression you are from. I know there are others but the small operations are often questionable as they are often well meaning but frequently so underfunded that the animals do not get adequate care I don't think most of us want to send these more unfortunate creatures simply off to a place that will treat them like Hospice Pets ( unless they are truly close to death) When I first got my FeLV boys I did a LOT of calling around the US to shelters and Sanctuaries that looked after FeLV cats and one call led to contacts at another and so onit's been a while but would recommend you do the same Frankly... the best care info I received was from this group... but that does not obviate the possibility that there are others out there that have execellent suggestions or resources that would be helpful.. Sorry I can't provide more but , though retired, I'm swamped with things that MUST be done today... Bob ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
The doctor said she felt the one kidney was enlarged and firm. She got so stressed from the bloodwork that she was given oxygen for 5 minutes. They also gave her fluids and I brought a bag home to give her more every 3 days. By the time I got home, she had perked up and ate a small can of food. She seemed normal until the moment of death when she howled in pain and collapsed in my lap. Apparently the kidney problem had been going on longer than we knew and of coure, she did not act diffrent until the day she stopped eating and that is the day I took her to the vet. She had been loosing weight over the last year and we started her on kitten food to increase weight. I am afraid I missed something. The next time there is any weight loss, we will do a full workup and a more detailed blood work. And check the kidneys. With th beginning of seeing Annie, the vet began to do research on FELV and has learned that any abnormality in kidney size, shape and firmness and blood results is a sure sign of FELV at work. She said any thing that says kidney malfunction will be a sign that we concentrate on testing to find out what is going on. She had ordered the Doxy and is willing to do Winstrol and has a pharamist nearby who will compound anything we need. That is one step in the right direction. Annie died at 8:00 pm the night we went to the vet but at least she was at home, in my lap and had a few hours of feeling better. ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > I'm a little confused at this point there are many condolence notes here but thte last that I read Annie wasn't doing well but her blood work did not suggest that she was likely to pass in the next few days.. Has there been any change?? If she did die I am of course VERY sorry.. but I am hoping not... Please let us know... BOb On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 06:27 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or amelioration I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day or exploring a little bit. As predicted I am going to be heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest, gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the " ignore" center in his brain : )... The fact that his balance is a little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into his genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do... Have any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put your cats into a stupor I'm worried about my boy because he is already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something and missisng.. Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein for as long as I can. Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute Bob ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
I'm a little confused at this point there are many condolence notes here but thte last that I read Annie wasn't doing well but her blood work did not suggest that she was likely to pass in the next few days.. Has there been any change?? If she did die I am of course VERY sorry.. but I am hoping not... Please let us know... BOb On Wed, Jun 07, 2017 at 06:27 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia rescue groups...
There is a shelter in Harrisburg PA called Best Little Cat house in PA. they take FELV and FIV cats. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kat Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 7:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia rescue groups... Pam, I do not know any shelters in your area, but I want to tell you that you are an angel for these kitties!! Thank you for all you do. Kat (Mew Jersey) Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 at 6:26 PM From: "Pam Doore" mailto:thyme2s...@gmail.com>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia rescue groups... Hi all, I am with a shelter in Western NY. I have adopted several FE LV+ cats. I was asked if I could take on one more for the shelter and did. Last night I was asked if I would be willing to take two more from a neighboring shelter. I was unable to do that and they were euthanized today. That shelter is not interested in rescue groups or putting any money or other resources into cats that are Fe Lv+. I am looking to find Fe Lv rescues that are in the NY/PA/OH areas that I could contact to see if in the future I could take cats in need to so that they are not euthanized. Thank you for any suggestions and assistance!! -Pam ~~@~@~@~@~@ Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia rescue groups...
Pam, I do not know any shelters in your area, but I want to tell you that you are an angel for these kitties!! Thank you for all you do. Kat (Mew Jersey) Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 at 6:26 PM From: "Pam Doore" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia rescue groups... Hi all, I am with a shelter in Western NY. I have adopted several FE LV+ cats. I was asked if I could take on one more for the shelter and did. Last night I was asked if I would be willing to take two more from a neighboring shelter. I was unable to do that and they were euthanized today. That shelter is not interested in rescue groups or putting any money or other resources into cats that are Fe Lv+. I am looking to find Fe Lv rescues that are in the NY/PA/OH areas that I could contact to see if in the future I could take cats in need to so that they are not euthanized. Thank you for any suggestions and assistance!! -Pam ~~@~@~@~@~@ Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Annie
I'm so very sorry about Annie.. it's so hard to lose them but she was so fortunate to have you! Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Annie I have known all along that I would loose her one day, but it still hurts. She did have 8 years with me so I have that to be thankful for. She joins a growing list of furbabies that have crossed over the bridge. Now she will be in pain no longer. Amani Oakley wrote: > I don't have a lot to go on, but based on the results, and the physical finding of a painful kidney, it might be a kidney infection gone septic. The total white cell count is low, which may occur when the white cells migrate out of blood circulation to move towards an area of infection in the tissues. You have given a low neutrophil count, but I would also be interested in what is the percentage of neutrophils. If it is a bacterial infection, I would expect a higher than normal percentage of neutrophils. Also, I would be looking for a left shift in the neutrophils. Did they report any immature neutrophils like band cells? Any other neutrophil abnormalities such as toxic granulation? > > The first thing I would focus on is ensuring sufficient hydration. Keep up with the subcutaneous fluids at home. Also, oxygen would help since you want to keep the cells well-perfused and with the dehydration and drop of red cells (though they aren't too low), and oxygen needed at the clinic, you should give her some more if you have a source of it at home. I am concerned that she isn't already on doxycycline. I would perhaps ask the vet to consider intravenous antibiotics, to get the antibiotics levels to go up faster than orally, and then you can give her the oral antibiotics. If it is a kidney infection, fluid replacement and antibiotic therapy is likely far more important than food intake right now. > > It isn't clear that this is an infection, but it might be. Was she tested for vital signs? Did she have temperature, and possibly elevated heart rate. It seems that she certainly would have had a reduced blood pressure, which again is consistent with sepsis from an infection, but isn't the only thing that might cause that. > > I don't think this is a Winstrol situation just yet. I think instead that a combination of broad spectrum antibiotics along with some prednisone/prednisolone might be the better approach. > > However, given that there is no definitive diagnosis yet, you need to watch her closely. If there isn't an improvement fairly quickly on the antibiotics, your vet will probably be considering other explanations. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net > Sent: May-31-17 5:52 PM > To: felv > Subject: [Felvtalk] Annie > > We just got back from the vet and Annie is not in good shape. She stopped eating this am. I did get some broth from Mackeral down her, but no soloids. The vet has ordered Doxy formulated so it will be liquid. She will get it 2 times daily. I have told her about Winstrol and she read up on it and is willing to get it for us is needed. She had to try 3 times for blood. It came out so slowely and started clotting too fast to to the tests. She is also dehydrated so gave sub q fluids and gave me more to bring home. She also had to give her some oxygen for 5 minutes, her brain was not getting enough. After 5 min, she bounced back. Dr. Said she was stressed by the exam. > Bloodwork: RBC - LOW 4.78 >HCT - LOW 23.7 >HGB - LOW 8.4 >RETC HIGH 62.7 >WBC LOW 4.54 >NEU LOW 2.41 > > BUN HIGH 59 > ALKP LOW 10 > TBIL HIGH 1.5 > EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN NORMAL RANGE. > sHE ALSO SAID ONE KIDNY SEEMS ENLARGED AND SLIGHTLY FIRM AND SHE CRIED WHEN SHE APPLIED PRESSURE TO THAT AREA. > sHE HAS ALSO LOST WEIGHT, DOWN FROM 6.6 LAST VISIT. wE HAD STARTED HER ON KITTNE FOOD TO BRING HER WEIGHT UP AND SHE HAD BEEN EATING UNTIL THIS AM. i JUST RECEIVED A SHIPMENT OF BLUE BUFFALO CANNED FOOD AND I PLAN TO START HER ON THAT MIXED WITH WARM WATER. AT LEAST SHE GETS SOME NOURISHMENT FROM THE LIQUID. i ALSO HAVE A TANK OF OXYGEN LEFT FROM MY FATHER THAT i CAN GIVE HER SOME IS SHE NEEDS IT. > > aNY SUGGESTIONS? SHE WILL GO ALONG WITH ANY RECOMMENDATIONS. sO NICE TO HAVE A VET LIKE THAT. > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_fe
Re: [Felvtalk] Annie...
I would not be giving up on Annie by any means... As Amani points out her blood values are not at a critical phase... she has some signs of a possible infection that could respond to ABX treatment and you could, of course be pleasantly surprised at her ability to rally... Thiis is not to suggest that your concerns are unfounded... with my own luck of late I could easily find myself assuming that a FeLV cat of mine was on his or her way out if they had even a URI. This time around I'm fostering a cat with Terminal Cancer because I feel HE stands a better chance of surviving : ) I'm gratified that there are many in this forum who have managed to keep their FeLV charges alive for multiple years and the cumulative knowledge we all gain will help us down the line to brighten the prospects for more of these kitties down the line I'm rooting for Annie to make comeback.. Bob ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Annie
Hugs to you as you remember your dear sweet girl Annie. I am so sorry for your loss. She was cherished and loved, and will live on in your memories. On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:07 AM, kat wrote: > Thank you for loving her for the time she was with you. It never feels > like it is long enough. > > Sleep soft, dear Annie... > > Kat (Mew Jersey) > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 10:06 PM > *From:* dlg...@windstream.net > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Annie > I have known all along that I would loose her one day, but it still hurts. > She did have 8 years with me so I have that to be thankful for. She joins a > growing list of furbabies that have crossed over the bridge. Now she will > be in pain no longer. > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Annie
Thank you for loving her for the time she was with you. It never feels like it is long enough. Sleep soft, dear Annie... Kat (Mew Jersey) Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 10:06 PM From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Annie I have known all along that I would loose her one day, but it still hurts. She did have 8 years with me so I have that to be thankful for. She joins a growing list of furbabies that have crossed over the bridge. Now she will be in pain no longer. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Annie
Oh my - stunned and I'm so sorry Sandy W - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 10:06:50 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Annie I have known all along that I would loose her one day, but it still hurts. She did have 8 years with me so I have that to be thankful for. She joins a growing list of furbabies that have crossed over the bridge. Now she will be in pain no longer. Amani Oakley wrote: > I don't have a lot to go on, but based on the results, and the physical > finding of a painful kidney, it might be a kidney infection gone septic. The > total white cell count is low, which may occur when the white cells migrate > out of blood circulation to move towards an area of infection in the tissues. > You have given a low neutrophil count, but I would also be interested in what > is the percentage of neutrophils. If it is a bacterial infection, I would > expect a higher than normal percentage of neutrophils. Also, I would be > looking for a left shift in the neutrophils. Did they report any immature > neutrophils like band cells? Any other neutrophil abnormalities such as toxic > granulation? > > The first thing I would focus on is ensuring sufficient hydration. Keep up > with the subcutaneous fluids at home. Also, oxygen would help since you want > to keep the cells well-perfused and with the dehydration and drop of red > cells (though they aren't too low), and oxygen needed at the clinic, you > should give her some more if you have a source of it at home. I am concerned > that she isn't already on doxycycline. I would perhaps ask the vet to > consider intravenous antibiotics, to get the antibiotics levels to go up > faster than orally, and then you can give her the oral antibiotics. If it is > a kidney infection, fluid replacement and antibiotic therapy is likely far > more important than food intake right now. > > It isn't clear that this is an infection, but it might be. Was she tested for > vital signs? Did she have temperature, and possibly elevated heart rate. It > seems that she certainly would have had a reduced blood pressure, which again > is consistent with sepsis from an infection, but isn't the only thing that > might cause that. > > I don't think this is a Winstrol situation just yet. I think instead that a > combination of broad spectrum antibiotics along with some > prednisone/prednisolone might be the better approach. > > However, given that there is no definitive diagnosis yet, you need to watch > her closely. If there isn't an improvement fairly quickly on the antibiotics, > your vet will probably be considering other explanations. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > dlg...@windstream.net > Sent: May-31-17 5:52 PM > To: felv > Subject: [Felvtalk] Annie > > We just got back from the vet and Annie is not in good shape. She stopped > eating this am. I did get some broth from Mackeral down her, but no soloids. > The vet has ordered Doxy formulated so it will be liquid. She will get it 2 > times daily. I have told her about Winstrol and she read up on it and is > willing to get it for us is needed. She had to try 3 times for blood. It came > out so slowely and started clotting too fast to to the tests. She is also > dehydrated so gave sub q fluids and gave me more to bring home. She also had > to give her some oxygen for 5 minutes, her brain was not getting enough. > After 5 min, she bounced back. Dr. Said she was stressed by the exam. > Bloodwork: RBC - LOW 4.78 > HCT - LOW 23.7 > HGB - LOW 8.4 > RETC HIGH 62.7 > WBC LOW 4.54 > NEU LOW 2.41 > > BUN HIGH 59 > ALKP LOW 10 > TBIL HIGH 1.5 > EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN NORMAL RANGE. > sHE ALSO SAID ONE KIDNY SEEMS ENLARGED AND SLIGHTLY FIRM AND SHE CRIED WHEN > SHE APPLIED PRESSURE TO THAT AREA. > sHE HAS ALSO LOST WEIGHT, DOWN FROM 6.6 LAST VISIT. wE HAD STARTED HER ON > KITTNE FOOD TO BRING HER WEIGHT UP AND SHE HAD BEEN EATING UNTIL THIS AM. i > JUST RECEIVED A SHIPMENT OF BLUE BUFFALO CANNED FOOD AND I PLAN TO START HER > ON THAT MIXED WITH WARM WATER. AT LEAST SHE GETS SOME NOURISHMENT FROM THE > LIQUID. i ALSO HAVE A TANK OF OXYGEN LEFT FROM MY FATHER THAT i CAN GIVE HER > SOME IS SHE NEEDS IT. > > aNY SUGGESTIONS? SHE WILL GO ALONG WITH ANY RECOMMENDATIONS. sO NICE TO HAVE > A VET LIKE THAT. > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >
Re: [Felvtalk] Annie
I have known all along that I would loose her one day, but it still hurts. She did have 8 years with me so I have that to be thankful for. She joins a growing list of furbabies that have crossed over the bridge. Now she will be in pain no longer. Amani Oakley wrote: > I don't have a lot to go on, but based on the results, and the physical > finding of a painful kidney, it might be a kidney infection gone septic. The > total white cell count is low, which may occur when the white cells migrate > out of blood circulation to move towards an area of infection in the tissues. > You have given a low neutrophil count, but I would also be interested in what > is the percentage of neutrophils. If it is a bacterial infection, I would > expect a higher than normal percentage of neutrophils. Also, I would be > looking for a left shift in the neutrophils. Did they report any immature > neutrophils like band cells? Any other neutrophil abnormalities such as toxic > granulation? > > The first thing I would focus on is ensuring sufficient hydration. Keep up > with the subcutaneous fluids at home. Also, oxygen would help since you want > to keep the cells well-perfused and with the dehydration and drop of red > cells (though they aren't too low), and oxygen needed at the clinic, you > should give her some more if you have a source of it at home. I am concerned > that she isn't already on doxycycline. I would perhaps ask the vet to > consider intravenous antibiotics, to get the antibiotics levels to go up > faster than orally, and then you can give her the oral antibiotics. If it is > a kidney infection, fluid replacement and antibiotic therapy is likely far > more important than food intake right now. > > It isn't clear that this is an infection, but it might be. Was she tested for > vital signs? Did she have temperature, and possibly elevated heart rate. It > seems that she certainly would have had a reduced blood pressure, which again > is consistent with sepsis from an infection, but isn't the only thing that > might cause that. > > I don't think this is a Winstrol situation just yet. I think instead that a > combination of broad spectrum antibiotics along with some > prednisone/prednisolone might be the better approach. > > However, given that there is no definitive diagnosis yet, you need to watch > her closely. If there isn't an improvement fairly quickly on the antibiotics, > your vet will probably be considering other explanations. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > dlg...@windstream.net > Sent: May-31-17 5:52 PM > To: felv > Subject: [Felvtalk] Annie > > We just got back from the vet and Annie is not in good shape. She stopped > eating this am. I did get some broth from Mackeral down her, but no soloids. > The vet has ordered Doxy formulated so it will be liquid. She will get it 2 > times daily. I have told her about Winstrol and she read up on it and is > willing to get it for us is needed. She had to try 3 times for blood. It > came out so slowely and started clotting too fast to to the tests. She is > also dehydrated so gave sub q fluids and gave me more to bring home. She > also had to give her some oxygen for 5 minutes, her brain was not getting > enough. After 5 min, she bounced back. Dr. Said she was stressed by the > exam. > Bloodwork: RBC - LOW 4.78 >HCT - LOW 23.7 >HGB - LOW 8.4 >RETC HIGH 62.7 >WBC LOW 4.54 >NEU LOW 2.41 > > BUN HIGH 59 > ALKP LOW 10 > TBIL HIGH 1.5 > EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN NORMAL RANGE. > sHE ALSO SAID ONE KIDNY SEEMS ENLARGED AND SLIGHTLY FIRM AND SHE CRIED WHEN > SHE APPLIED PRESSURE TO THAT AREA. > sHE HAS ALSO LOST WEIGHT, DOWN FROM 6.6 LAST VISIT. wE HAD STARTED HER ON > KITTNE FOOD TO BRING HER WEIGHT UP AND SHE HAD BEEN EATING UNTIL THIS AM. i > JUST RECEIVED A SHIPMENT OF BLUE BUFFALO CANNED FOOD AND I PLAN TO START HER > ON THAT MIXED WITH WARM WATER. AT LEAST SHE GETS SOME NOURISHMENT FROM THE > LIQUID. i ALSO HAVE A TANK OF OXYGEN LEFT FROM MY FATHER THAT i CAN GIVE HER > SOME IS SHE NEEDS IT. > > aNY SUGGESTIONS? SHE WILL GO ALONG WITH ANY RECOMMENDATIONS. sO NICE TO > HAVE A VET LIKE THAT. > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Annie
THANK YOU FOR CONFIRMING THAT WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK IT MEANS A LOT TO ME. Amani Oakley wrote: > I don't have a lot to go on, but based on the results, and the physical > finding of a painful kidney, it might be a kidney infection gone septic. The > total white cell count is low, which may occur when the white cells migrate > out of blood circulation to move towards an area of infection in the tissues. > You have given a low neutrophil count, but I would also be interested in what > is the percentage of neutrophils. If it is a bacterial infection, I would > expect a higher than normal percentage of neutrophils. Also, I would be > looking for a left shift in the neutrophils. Did they report any immature > neutrophils like band cells? Any other neutrophil abnormalities such as toxic > granulation? > > The first thing I would focus on is ensuring sufficient hydration. Keep up > with the subcutaneous fluids at home. Also, oxygen would help since you want > to keep the cells well-perfused and with the dehydration and drop of red > cells (though they aren't too low), and oxygen needed at the clinic, you > should give her some more if you have a source of it at home. I am concerned > that she isn't already on doxycycline. I would perhaps ask the vet to > consider intravenous antibiotics, to get the antibiotics levels to go up > faster than orally, and then you can give her the oral antibiotics. If it is > a kidney infection, fluid replacement and antibiotic therapy is likely far > more important than food intake right now. > > It isn't clear that this is an infection, but it might be. Was she tested for > vital signs? Did she have temperature,( WAS 99.9) and possibly elevated heart rate. It seems that she certainly would have had a reduced blood pressure, which again is consistent with sepsis from an infection, but isn't the only thing that might cause that. > > I don't think this is a Winstrol situation just yet. I think instead that a > combination of broad spectrum antibiotics along with some > prednisone/prednisolone THAT IS WHAT THE DR. THINKS AND WE CAN DO THAT > TOMORROW WHEN i GO IN TO GET THE dOXY). might be the better approach. > > However, given that there is no definitive diagnosis yet, you need to watch > her closely. If there isn't an improvement fairly quickly on the antibiotics, > your vet will probably be considering other explanations. i LIKE HER > APPROACH TO THIS AND THE FACT THAT SHE IS WILLING TO DO THE WINSTROL GIVES ME > HOPE. aNNIE IS 10 YEARS OLD AND THE VET SAID THAT THIS IS AGE WHEN FELV > BEGINS TO TAKE IT'S TOLL. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > dlg...@windstream.net > Sent: May-31-17 5:52 PM > To: felv > Subject: [Felvtalk] Annie > > We just got back from the vet and Annie is not in good shape. She stopped > eating this am. I did get some broth from Mackeral down her, but no soloids. > The vet has ordered Doxy formulated so it will be liquid. She will get it 2 > times daily. I have told her about Winstrol and she read up on it and is > willing to get it for us is needed. She had to try 3 times for blood. It > came out so slowely and started clotting too fast to to the tests. She is > also dehydrated so gave sub q fluids and gave me more to bring home. She > also had to give her some oxygen for 5 minutes, her brain was not getting > enough. After 5 min, she bounced back. Dr. Said she was stressed by the > exam. > Bloodwork: RBC - LOW 4.78 >HCT - LOW 23.7 >HGB - LOW 8.4 >RETC HIGH 62.7 >WBC LOW 4.54 >NEU LOW 2.41 > > BUN HIGH 59 > ALKP LOW 10 > TBIL HIGH 1.5 > EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN NORMAL RANGE. > sHE ALSO SAID ONE KIDNY SEEMS ENLARGED AND SLIGHTLY FIRM AND SHE CRIED WHEN > SHE APPLIED PRESSURE TO THAT AREA. > sHE HAS ALSO LOST WEIGHT, DOWN FROM 6.6 LAST VISIT. wE HAD STARTED HER ON > KITTNE FOOD TO BRING HER WEIGHT UP AND SHE HAD BEEN EATING UNTIL THIS AM. i > JUST RECEIVED A SHIPMENT OF BLUE BUFFALO CANNED FOOD AND I PLAN TO START HER > ON THAT MIXED WITH WARM WATER. AT LEAST SHE GETS SOME NOURISHMENT FROM THE > LIQUID. i ALSO HAVE A TANK OF OXYGEN LEFT FROM MY FATHER THAT i CAN GIVE HER > SOME IS SHE NEEDS IT. > > aNY SUGGESTIONS? SHE WILL GO ALONG WITH ANY RECOMMENDATIONS. sO NICE TO > HAVE A VET LIKE THAT. > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtal
Re: [Felvtalk] Annie
I don't have enough experience to really offer advice, Amani seems to have some great suggestions for you! I just wanted to let you know we are here for you and rooting for a treatable condition and a full recovery for little Annie. Please keep us updated! On Wed, May 31, 2017, 7:47 PM Amani Oakley wrote: > I don't have a lot to go on, but based on the results, and the physical > finding of a painful kidney, it might be a kidney infection gone septic. > The total white cell count is low, which may occur when the white cells > migrate out of blood circulation to move towards an area of infection in > the tissues. You have given a low neutrophil count, but I would also be > interested in what is the percentage of neutrophils. If it is a bacterial > infection, I would expect a higher than normal percentage of neutrophils. > Also, I would be looking for a left shift in the neutrophils. Did they > report any immature neutrophils like band cells? Any other neutrophil > abnormalities such as toxic granulation? > > The first thing I would focus on is ensuring sufficient hydration. Keep up > with the subcutaneous fluids at home. Also, oxygen would help since you > want to keep the cells well-perfused and with the dehydration and drop of > red cells (though they aren't too low), and oxygen needed at the clinic, > you should give her some more if you have a source of it at home. I am > concerned that she isn't already on doxycycline. I would perhaps ask the > vet to consider intravenous antibiotics, to get the antibiotics levels to > go up faster than orally, and then you can give her the oral antibiotics. > If it is a kidney infection, fluid replacement and antibiotic therapy is > likely far more important than food intake right now. > > It isn't clear that this is an infection, but it might be. Was she tested > for vital signs? Did she have temperature, and possibly elevated heart > rate. It seems that she certainly would have had a reduced blood pressure, > which again is consistent with sepsis from an infection, but isn't the only > thing that might cause that. > > I don't think this is a Winstrol situation just yet. I think instead that > a combination of broad spectrum antibiotics along with some > prednisone/prednisolone might be the better approach. > > However, given that there is no definitive diagnosis yet, you need to > watch her closely. If there isn't an improvement fairly quickly on the > antibiotics, your vet will probably be considering other explanations. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > dlg...@windstream.net > Sent: May-31-17 5:52 PM > To: felv > Subject: [Felvtalk] Annie > > We just got back from the vet and Annie is not in good shape. She stopped > eating this am. I did get some broth from Mackeral down her, but no > soloids. The vet has ordered Doxy formulated so it will be liquid. She > will get it 2 times daily. I have told her about Winstrol and she read up > on it and is willing to get it for us is needed. She had to try 3 times > for blood. It came out so slowely and started clotting too fast to to the > tests. She is also dehydrated so gave sub q fluids and gave me more to > bring home. She also had to give her some oxygen for 5 minutes, her brain > was not getting enough. After 5 min, she bounced back. Dr. Said she was > stressed by the exam. > Bloodwork: RBC - LOW 4.78 >HCT - LOW 23.7 >HGB - LOW 8.4 >RETC HIGH 62.7 >WBC LOW 4.54 >NEU LOW 2.41 > > BUN HIGH 59 > ALKP LOW 10 > TBIL HIGH 1.5 > EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN NORMAL RANGE. > sHE ALSO SAID ONE KIDNY SEEMS ENLARGED AND SLIGHTLY FIRM AND SHE CRIED > WHEN SHE APPLIED PRESSURE TO THAT AREA. > sHE HAS ALSO LOST WEIGHT, DOWN FROM 6.6 LAST VISIT. wE HAD STARTED HER ON > KITTNE FOOD TO BRING HER WEIGHT UP AND SHE HAD BEEN EATING UNTIL THIS AM. > i JUST RECEIVED A SHIPMENT OF BLUE BUFFALO CANNED FOOD AND I PLAN TO START > HER ON THAT MIXED WITH WARM WATER. AT LEAST SHE GETS SOME NOURISHMENT FROM > THE LIQUID. i ALSO HAVE A TANK OF OXYGEN LEFT FROM MY FATHER THAT i CAN > GIVE HER SOME IS SHE NEEDS IT. > > aNY SUGGESTIONS? SHE WILL GO ALONG WITH ANY RECOMMENDATIONS. sO NICE TO > HAVE A VET LIKE THAT. > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Annie
I don't have a lot to go on, but based on the results, and the physical finding of a painful kidney, it might be a kidney infection gone septic. The total white cell count is low, which may occur when the white cells migrate out of blood circulation to move towards an area of infection in the tissues. You have given a low neutrophil count, but I would also be interested in what is the percentage of neutrophils. If it is a bacterial infection, I would expect a higher than normal percentage of neutrophils. Also, I would be looking for a left shift in the neutrophils. Did they report any immature neutrophils like band cells? Any other neutrophil abnormalities such as toxic granulation? The first thing I would focus on is ensuring sufficient hydration. Keep up with the subcutaneous fluids at home. Also, oxygen would help since you want to keep the cells well-perfused and with the dehydration and drop of red cells (though they aren't too low), and oxygen needed at the clinic, you should give her some more if you have a source of it at home. I am concerned that she isn't already on doxycycline. I would perhaps ask the vet to consider intravenous antibiotics, to get the antibiotics levels to go up faster than orally, and then you can give her the oral antibiotics. If it is a kidney infection, fluid replacement and antibiotic therapy is likely far more important than food intake right now. It isn't clear that this is an infection, but it might be. Was she tested for vital signs? Did she have temperature, and possibly elevated heart rate. It seems that she certainly would have had a reduced blood pressure, which again is consistent with sepsis from an infection, but isn't the only thing that might cause that. I don't think this is a Winstrol situation just yet. I think instead that a combination of broad spectrum antibiotics along with some prednisone/prednisolone might be the better approach. However, given that there is no definitive diagnosis yet, you need to watch her closely. If there isn't an improvement fairly quickly on the antibiotics, your vet will probably be considering other explanations. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: May-31-17 5:52 PM To: felv Subject: [Felvtalk] Annie We just got back from the vet and Annie is not in good shape. She stopped eating this am. I did get some broth from Mackeral down her, but no soloids. The vet has ordered Doxy formulated so it will be liquid. She will get it 2 times daily. I have told her about Winstrol and she read up on it and is willing to get it for us is needed. She had to try 3 times for blood. It came out so slowely and started clotting too fast to to the tests. She is also dehydrated so gave sub q fluids and gave me more to bring home. She also had to give her some oxygen for 5 minutes, her brain was not getting enough. After 5 min, she bounced back. Dr. Said she was stressed by the exam. Bloodwork: RBC - LOW 4.78 HCT - LOW 23.7 HGB - LOW 8.4 RETC HIGH 62.7 WBC LOW 4.54 NEU LOW 2.41 BUN HIGH 59 ALKP LOW 10 TBIL HIGH 1.5 EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN NORMAL RANGE. sHE ALSO SAID ONE KIDNY SEEMS ENLARGED AND SLIGHTLY FIRM AND SHE CRIED WHEN SHE APPLIED PRESSURE TO THAT AREA. sHE HAS ALSO LOST WEIGHT, DOWN FROM 6.6 LAST VISIT. wE HAD STARTED HER ON KITTNE FOOD TO BRING HER WEIGHT UP AND SHE HAD BEEN EATING UNTIL THIS AM. i JUST RECEIVED A SHIPMENT OF BLUE BUFFALO CANNED FOOD AND I PLAN TO START HER ON THAT MIXED WITH WARM WATER. AT LEAST SHE GETS SOME NOURISHMENT FROM THE LIQUID. i ALSO HAVE A TANK OF OXYGEN LEFT FROM MY FATHER THAT i CAN GIVE HER SOME IS SHE NEEDS IT. aNY SUGGESTIONS? SHE WILL GO ALONG WITH ANY RECOMMENDATIONS. sO NICE TO HAVE A VET LIKE THAT. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals...
Good idea!! -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 11:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals... Ardy When people don't care about animals, you can make them give a crap by explaining to them that psychopathic killers start out killing animals. If you can't get them to give a damn about abused animals, they sure perk up when they realize that after practicing on animals, these killers move on to children and other people. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: May-29-17 12:41 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals... I have read a lot on the subject of sociopaths and criminals, and most of them started being cruel to animals as young children. It's also amazing to me that there seems to be no middle ground for cats - people either love them or hate them, and I don't understand why. I personally brought home all kinds of strays as a child and my parents either let me keep them, or they found good homes for them. I had dolls but preferred to dress up my cats and push them around in doll-buggies. They didn't seem to mind a bit! I think it is important for parents to allow their kids to have pets and care for them, to cultivate a caring for animal life. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:44 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals... I have, obviously ( as do all of us) a very difficult time reconciling how someone could NOT care about animals or worse... use and abuse them for profit. In truth... I think my anger at such people is more than a bit beyond the pale and I worry, honestly, about getting myself in real legal trouble should I encounter someone in the act of purposely harming an animal... I try to remind myself to NOT be so self Righteous since I had nothing to do with the caring I have for animals I was simply "made" that way... it was part of me from the earliest years that I can remember Had my genes been different..perhaps I'd be running a dog fighting ring..Beyond this, though, I feel it IS justified to require people to at least ACT decently even if their heart does not melt for animals Ok... so maybe they don't particularly care about the miserable lives many animals ( and people) have I don't ask that they _ feel_ differently but I DO expect that they will not con tribute to or exacerbate that misery This is MY line in the sand and I have NO forgiveness in my heart for people who do so People never cease to amaze me both with their capacity for goodness and caring and their utter lack of these same traits... how such polar opposites can exist in the same ( purportedly sentient) species boggles my mind. It does my heart a world of good to know that all of you are out there making life better for the little creatures that can do so little to improve their own lot... your kindness humbles me > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals...
Not only care for pets, but their fellow humans. Ardy Robertson wrote: > I have read a lot on the subject of sociopaths and criminals, and most of > them started being cruel to animals as young children. > > It's also amazing to me that there seems to be no middle ground for cats - > people either love them or hate them, and I don't understand why. I > personally brought home all kinds of strays as a child and my parents either > let me keep them, or they found good homes for them. I had dolls but > preferred to dress up my cats and push them around in doll-buggies. They > didn't seem to mind a bit! I think it is important for parents to allow their > kids to have pets and care for them, to cultivate a caring for animal life. > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > ROBERT CHAPEL > Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:44 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals... > > > I have, obviously ( as do all of us) a very difficult time reconciling how > someone could NOT care about animals or worse... use and abuse them for > profit. In truth... I think my anger at such people is more than a bit > beyond the pale and I worry, honestly, about getting myself in real legal > trouble should I encounter someone in the act of purposely harming an > animal... I try to remind myself to NOT be so self Righteous since I > had nothing to do with the caring I have for animals I was simply "made" > that way... it was part of me from the earliest years that I can remember > Had my genes been different..perhaps I'd be running a dog fighting ring.. > Beyond this, though, I feel it IS justified to require people to at least ACT > decently even if their heart does not melt for animals Ok... so maybe > they don't particularly care about the miserable lives many animals ( and > people) have I don't ask that they _ feel_ differently but I DO expect > that they will not c on > tribute to or exacerbate that misery This is MY line in the sand and I > have NO forgiveness in my heart for people who do so People never cease > to amaze me both with their capacity for goodness and caring and their utter > lack of these same traits... how such polar opposites can exist in the same > ( purportedly sentient) species boggles my mind. It does my heart a > world of good to know that all of you are out there making life better for > the little creatures that can do so little to improve their own lot... your > kindness humbles me > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Amani
It pays to investigate and be sure. Don't always accept what someone tells you. Lorrie wrote: > Thank you Amani. This was such a wonderful story. > > Lorrie > > On 05-26, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > I took home a little girl last year, who also had a diagnosis of > > cancer. The shelter where she had been staying, was closing down > > and she was obviously not adoptable. Someone at the shelter had > > heard of my reputation for being a sap for hard luck cases, so I > > was contacted out of the blue and asked if I would take her and let > > her live out her days sleeping on a comforter instead of in a > > shelter. I agreed. After watching her for a while, and obtaining > > her previous medical records and reviewing them, I was skeptical > > that she had cancer. She wasn???t deteriorating, but she had a > > whole lot of serious pain from something. Happily, after much > > running around and thousands of dollars, we had her in for surgery > > in March and a piece of tissue was removed (a remnant it appears, > > from an infected uterus which was removed) and I was so gratified > > to see the immediate change in her personality. She immediately > > brightened up - even played a bit - and started hanging around us > > instead of being in a poor mood and sleeping alone upstairs all the > > time. She still has pain but it has markedly reduced. > > > > Every once in a while - something disastrous turns good. I am > > crossing my fingers for your new charge. > > > > Amani > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals...
Sadly, this will not stop them. When I reported someone for animal abuse, the investigator said most likely when he makes his report, he includes child, elder or spouse abuse also. These people are ill, enjoy hurting someone who cannot defend themselves. Lorrie wrote: > > > When people don't care about animals, you can make them give a crap > > by explaining to them that psychopathic killers start out killing > > animals. If you can't get them to give a damn about abused animals, > > they sure perk up when they realize that after practicing on > > animals, these killers move on to children and other people. > > > > Amani > > Excellent idea and one I will remember and use. > > Lorrie > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals...
> When people don't care about animals, you can make them give a crap > by explaining to them that psychopathic killers start out killing > animals. If you can't get them to give a damn about abused animals, > they sure perk up when they realize that after practicing on > animals, these killers move on to children and other people. > > Amani Excellent idea and one I will remember and use. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Amani
Thank you Amani. This was such a wonderful story. Lorrie On 05-26, Amani Oakley wrote: > I took home a little girl last year, who also had a diagnosis of > cancer. The shelter where she had been staying, was closing down > and she was obviously not adoptable. Someone at the shelter had > heard of my reputation for being a sap for hard luck cases, so I > was contacted out of the blue and asked if I would take her and let > her live out her days sleeping on a comforter instead of in a > shelter. I agreed. After watching her for a while, and obtaining > her previous medical records and reviewing them, I was skeptical > that she had cancer. She wasn???t deteriorating, but she had a > whole lot of serious pain from something. Happily, after much > running around and thousands of dollars, we had her in for surgery > in March and a piece of tissue was removed (a remnant it appears, > from an infected uterus which was removed) and I was so gratified > to see the immediate change in her personality. She immediately > brightened up - even played a bit - and started hanging around us > instead of being in a poor mood and sleeping alone upstairs all the > time. She still has pain but it has markedly reduced. > > Every once in a while - something disastrous turns good. I am > crossing my fingers for your new charge. > > Amani > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals...
Ardy When people don't care about animals, you can make them give a crap by explaining to them that psychopathic killers start out killing animals. If you can't get them to give a damn about abused animals, they sure perk up when they realize that after practicing on animals, these killers move on to children and other people. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: May-29-17 12:41 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals... I have read a lot on the subject of sociopaths and criminals, and most of them started being cruel to animals as young children. It's also amazing to me that there seems to be no middle ground for cats - people either love them or hate them, and I don't understand why. I personally brought home all kinds of strays as a child and my parents either let me keep them, or they found good homes for them. I had dolls but preferred to dress up my cats and push them around in doll-buggies. They didn't seem to mind a bit! I think it is important for parents to allow their kids to have pets and care for them, to cultivate a caring for animal life. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:44 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals... I have, obviously ( as do all of us) a very difficult time reconciling how someone could NOT care about animals or worse... use and abuse them for profit. In truth... I think my anger at such people is more than a bit beyond the pale and I worry, honestly, about getting myself in real legal trouble should I encounter someone in the act of purposely harming an animal... I try to remind myself to NOT be so self Righteous since I had nothing to do with the caring I have for animals I was simply "made" that way... it was part of me from the earliest years that I can remember Had my genes been different..perhaps I'd be running a dog fighting ring..Beyond this, though, I feel it IS justified to require people to at least ACT decently even if their heart does not melt for animals Ok... so maybe they don't particularly care about the miserable lives many animals ( and people) have I don't ask that they _ feel_ differently but I DO expect that they will not con tribute to or exacerbate that misery This is MY line in the sand and I have NO forgiveness in my heart for people who do so People never cease to amaze me both with their capacity for goodness and caring and their utter lack of these same traits... how such polar opposites can exist in the same ( purportedly sentient) species boggles my mind. It does my heart a world of good to know that all of you are out there making life better for the little creatures that can do so little to improve their own lot... your kindness humbles me > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hi......sad news....
Oh so sorry about Martin. But thank you for being his caring family while he was here... -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of rosebudcocopuff Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 10:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Hi..sad news My sweet, beautiful, Martinjust one yr. Of age lost his fight on Thursday, May 25th. Rest now my baby boy. Always remembered, always loved. Powered by Cricket Wireless ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals...
I have read a lot on the subject of sociopaths and criminals, and most of them started being cruel to animals as young children. It's also amazing to me that there seems to be no middle ground for cats - people either love them or hate them, and I don't understand why. I personally brought home all kinds of strays as a child and my parents either let me keep them, or they found good homes for them. I had dolls but preferred to dress up my cats and push them around in doll-buggies. They didn't seem to mind a bit! I think it is important for parents to allow their kids to have pets and care for them, to cultivate a caring for animal life. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:44 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals... I have, obviously ( as do all of us) a very difficult time reconciling how someone could NOT care about animals or worse... use and abuse them for profit. In truth... I think my anger at such people is more than a bit beyond the pale and I worry, honestly, about getting myself in real legal trouble should I encounter someone in the act of purposely harming an animal... I try to remind myself to NOT be so self Righteous since I had nothing to do with the caring I have for animals I was simply "made" that way... it was part of me from the earliest years that I can remember Had my genes been different..perhaps I'd be running a dog fighting ring..Beyond this, though, I feel it IS justified to require people to at least ACT decently even if their heart does not melt for animals Ok... so maybe they don't particularly care about the miserable lives many animals ( and people) have I don't ask that they _ feel_ differently but I DO expect that they will not con tribute to or exacerbate that misery This is MY line in the sand and I have NO forgiveness in my heart for people who do so People never cease to amaze me both with their capacity for goodness and caring and their utter lack of these same traits... how such polar opposites can exist in the same ( purportedly sentient) species boggles my mind. It does my heart a world of good to know that all of you are out there making life better for the little creatures that can do so little to improve their own lot... your kindness humbles me > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My Martin.....so handsome....he was the 5th of my babies to suffer from this horrific disease. I even tried LTCI INJECTIONS. with my Joe....I've lost Clayton, and Apache and Charlie.
Thank you so much Powered by Cricket Wireless kat wrote: >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My Martin.....so handsome....he was the 5th of my babies to suffer from this horrific disease. I even tried LTCI INJECTIONS. with my Joe....I've lost Clayton, and Apache and Charlie.
Dear Patti, As heartbreaking as this awful disease is, thank you for caring for these babies and giving them a loving home, even if it is only a short while. Martin can now play with your other kitties (Joe, Clayton, Apache, & Charlie) until you meet all of them at the Rainbow Bridge. Sleep Soft, little Martin... Kat (Mew Jersey) Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 7:43 PM From: rosebudcocopuff To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] My Martin.so handsomehe was the 5th of my babies to suffer from this horrific disease. I even tried LTCI INJECTIONS. with my JoeI've lost Clayton, and Apache and Charlie.��. I'm sad, broken hearted and angry. I've been in rescue for 20 yrs. But this is the first I've been broken hearted and watched FELV take them one by onethank you all for your love and kindness Powered by Cricket Wireless ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Animal Welfare
It is frustrating. People say they are just animals, but even so, they deserve respect and kindness. Lest we forget that science considers us animals descended from apes. Does that mean we do not deserve kindness and respect. ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > Jennifer... Yes... I am already swamped daily with petition after petition as well as plea after plea for money to help everything from Housepets to Miniature Donkeys If fact... it's hard to NOT go vigilante as the laws of the land as they now stand still do not accord animals the justice they deserve... You can virtually devastate the life of an animal...well loved by it's human family or unknown to anyone and still get little more than a slap on the wrist in the legal system It is up to us as citizens to make it known to these reprobates that WE think of them as defective and if they are unreachable to shun them in every way possible I'm tempted to say more but the world of email has a way of coming round and misquoting you later on down the road On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 08:58 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: People who don't care about animals... > (dlg...@windstream.net) >2. Re: Hi..sad news (dlg...@windstream.net) >3. Re: Hi..sad news (Jennifer Olson) >4. Animal WELfare (Jennifer Olson) >5. Re: People who don't care about animals... (kat) >6. My Martin.so handsomehe was the 5th of my babies to > suffer from this horrific disease. I even tried LTCI > INJECTIONS. with my JoeI've lost Clayton, and Apache and > Charlie.?. I'm sad, broken hearted and angry. I've been > in > rescue for 20 yrs. But this is the first I've been broken > hearted > and watched FELV take them one by onethank you all for your > love and kindness (rosebudcocopuff) >7. Re: My Martin.so handsomehe was the 5th of my babies > to suffer from this horrific disease. I even tried LTCI > INJECTIONS. with my JoeI've lost Clayton, and Apache and > Charlie.?. I'm sad, broken hearted and angry. I've been > in > rescue for 20 yrs. But this is the first I've been broken > hearted > and watched FELV take them one by onethank you all for your > love and kindness (Sandy) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 13:40:51 -0500 > From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about > animals... > Message-ID: <20170527144051.CI95V.45582.root@pamxwww10-z01> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I agree completely. I think that these people who do this also do so > unto their fellow humans. One thing they lack is the love of God. > > ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: >> > I have, obviously ( as do all of us) a very difficult time reconciling > how someone could NOT care about animals or worse... use and abuse > them for profit.?? In truth... I think my anger at such people is more > than a bit beyond the pale and I worry, honestly, about getting myself > in real legal trouble should I encounter someone in the act of > purposely harming an animal...?? I try to remind myself to NOT be > so self Righteous since I had nothing to do with the caring I have for > animals I was simply "made" that way... it was part of me from the > earliest years that I can remember? Had my genes been > different..perhaps I'd be running a dog fighting ring..??? Beyond > this, though, I feel it IS justified to require people to at least ACT > decently even if their heart does not melt for animals?? Ok... so > maybe they don't particularly care about the miserable lives many > animals ( and people) have? I don't ask that they _ feel_ > differently but I DO expect that they will not contribute to or > exacerbate that misery?? This is MY line in the sand and I have NO > forgiveness in my heart for people who do so
Re: [Felvtalk] Martin...
Thank you so much...my actual name is Patti. Unfortunately, I no longer have internet service at my home..(too many vet bills).Yes, Martin was FELV..I had known that, but still had him re tested recently. He passed quickly..I tried the LTCI injections with my first FELV.spent thousands. But my little Joe ultimately died.I HATE that disease.. anyone here may telephone me any time...due to me not having internet...most days. Area code 412-537-9702. Thanks for being there Patti Powered by Cricket Wireless ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > > >I'm sorry to hear about Martin... I don't know that I've heard about him >before on this forum but having him die in under year suggests to me >that he was FeLV... I'm beginning to have a rather visceral reaction >comparable to those I have upon hearing of people who abuse animals >whenever I hear the name of that disease... It's become my decided >enemyRobbing both quality of AND life from these wonderful little >creatures so early on.. BTW... a small request. Perhaps people >could identify themselves if they are not regular contributors to the >list if their email identity does not include their name It's seems >a little odd to me to address a note to >rosebudcocopuff :) Thank you RBCCpuff for providing a loving home for >this fellow... a large chunk of luck in an otherwise unlucky life.. > >Bob > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Animal Welfare
Jennifer... Yes... I am already swamped daily with petition after petition as well as plea after plea for money to help everything from Housepets to Miniature Donkeys If fact... it's hard to NOT go vigilante as the laws of the land as they now stand still do not accord animals the justice they deserve... You can virtually devastate the life of an animal...well loved by it's human family or unknown to anyone and still get little more than a slap on the wrist in the legal system It is up to us as citizens to make it known to these reprobates that WE think of them as defective and if they are unreachable to shun them in every way possible I'm tempted to say more but the world of email has a way of coming round and misquoting you later on down the road On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 08:58 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: People who don't care about animals... (dlg...@windstream.net) 2. Re: Hi..sad news (dlg...@windstream.net) 3. Re: Hi..sad news (Jennifer Olson) 4. Animal WELfare (Jennifer Olson) 5. Re: People who don't care about animals... (kat) 6. My Martin.so handsomehe was the 5th of my babies to suffer from this horrific disease. I even tried LTCI INJECTIONS. with my JoeI've lost Clayton, and Apache and Charlie.?. I'm sad, broken hearted and angry. I've been in rescue for 20 yrs. But this is the first I've been broken hearted and watched FELV take them one by onethank you all for your love and kindness (rosebudcocopuff) 7. Re: My Martin.so handsomehe was the 5th of my babies to suffer from this horrific disease. I even tried LTCI INJECTIONS. with my JoeI've lost Clayton, and Apache and Charlie.?. I'm sad, broken hearted and angry. I've been in rescue for 20 yrs. But this is the first I've been broken hearted and watched FELV take them one by onethank you all for your love and kindness (Sandy) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 13:40:51 -0500 From: To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals... Message-ID: <20170527144051.CI95V.45582.root@pamxwww10-z01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I agree completely. I think that these people who do this also do so unto their fellow humans. One thing they lack is the love of God. ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: I have, obviously ( as do all of us) a very difficult time reconciling how someone could NOT care about animals or worse... use and abuse them for profit.?? In truth... I think my anger at such people is more than a bit beyond the pale and I worry, honestly, about getting myself in real legal trouble should I encounter someone in the act of purposely harming an animal...?? I try to remind myself to NOT be so self Righteous since I had nothing to do with the caring I have for animals I was simply "made" that way... it was part of me from the earliest years that I can remember? Had my genes been different..perhaps I'd be running a dog fighting ring..??? Beyond this, though, I feel it IS justified to require people to at least ACT decently even if their heart does not melt for animals?? Ok... so maybe they don't particularly care about the miserable lives many animals ( and people) have? I don't ask that they _ feel_ differently but I DO expect that they will not contribute to or exacerbate that misery?? This is MY line in the sand and I have NO forgiveness in my heart for people who do so? People never cease to amaze me both with their capacity for goodness and caring and their utter lack of these same traits... how such polar opposites can exist in the same? ( purportedly sentient) species boggles my mind.?? It does my heart a world of good to know that all of you are out there making life better for the little creatures that can do so little to improve their own lot... your kindness humbles me ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -------
Re: [Felvtalk] Martin...
I'm sorry to hear about Martin... I don't know that I've heard about him before on this forum but having him die in under year suggests to me that he was FeLV... I'm beginning to have a rather visceral reaction comparable to those I have upon hearing of people who abuse animals whenever I hear the name of that disease... It's become my decided enemyRobbing both quality of AND life from these wonderful little creatures so early on.. BTW... a small request. Perhaps people could identify themselves if they are not regular contributors to the list if their email identity does not include their name It's seems a little odd to me to address a note to rosebudcocopuff :) Thank you RBCCpuff for providing a loving home for this fellow... a large chunk of luck in an otherwise unlucky life.. Bob ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals...
I have to get one of those plaques, really do need one or maybe more to put in each room kat wrote: > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My Martin.....so handsome....he was the 5th of my babies to suffer from this horrific disease. I even tried LTCI INJECTIONS. with my Joe....I've lost Clayton, and Apache and Charlie.
I'm so sorry - thank you for taking care of your kitty cats until - well until Sandy W - Original Message - From: "rosebudcocopuff" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 7:43:11 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] My Martin.so handsomehe was the 5th of my babies to suffer from this horrific disease. I even tried LTCI INJECTIONS. with my JoeI've lost Clayton, and Apache and Charlie.😠. I'm sad, broken hearted and angry. I've been in rescue for 20 yrs. But this is the first I've been broken hearted and watched FELV take them one by onethank you all for your love and kindness Powered by Cricket Wireless ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals...
Bob, I agree with you - I have no tolerance for anyone that abuses anyone or animal smaller & weaker than themselves. Even when some people have a warped sense of humor. One of my (former) co-workers had shown me a cartoon book titled "101 uses for a dead cat" - it was dumb, sophmoric 'humor'. I asked him if it would be just as 'funny' if it were "101 uses for a dead baby". He looked slightly horrified & said "NO", and I pointed out that it is Not really Funny, is it... Some people don't think. I saw a cute plaque a while ago that said - "Lord, Give me Patience... Because if You give me Strength, I'm gonna need Bail Money to go with it!!" That about sums it up. Kat (Mew Jersey) Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 at 3:44 AM From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals... I have, obviously ( as do all of us) a very difficult time reconciling how someone could NOT care about animals or worse... use and abuse them for profit. In truth... I think my anger at such people is more than a bit beyond the pale and I worry, honestly, about getting myself in real legal trouble should I encounter someone in the act of purposely harming an animal... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hi......sad news....
So sorry for your loss- Rejoicing he had you to love him ! Jen On May 27, 2017 10:12 AM, "rosebudcocopuff" wrote: > My sweet, beautiful, Martinjust one yr. Of age lost his fight on > Thursday, May 25th. Rest now my baby boy. Always remembered, always > loved. > > Powered by Cricket Wireless > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hi......sad news....
Sorry for you and Martin. He is at peace now. Grieve for a while and it will get better. rosebudcocopuff wrote: > My sweet, beautiful, Martinjust one yr. Of age lost his fight on > Thursday, May 25th. Rest now my baby boy. Always remembered, always > loved. > > Powered by Cricket Wireless > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals...
I agree completely. I think that these people who do this also do so unto their fellow humans. One thing they lack is the love of God. ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > I have, obviously ( as do all of us) a very difficult time reconciling how someone could NOT care about animals or worse... use and abuse them for profit. In truth... I think my anger at such people is more than a bit beyond the pale and I worry, honestly, about getting myself in real legal trouble should I encounter someone in the act of purposely harming an animal... I try to remind myself to NOT be so self Righteous since I had nothing to do with the caring I have for animals I was simply "made" that way... it was part of me from the earliest years that I can remember Had my genes been different..perhaps I'd be running a dog fighting ring.. Beyond this, though, I feel it IS justified to require people to at least ACT decently even if their heart does not melt for animals Ok... so maybe they don't particularly care about the miserable lives many animals ( and people) have I don't ask that they _ feel_ differently but I DO expect that they will not contribute to or exacerbate that misery This is MY line in the sand and I have NO forgiveness in my heart for people who do so People never cease to amaze me both with their capacity for goodness and caring and their utter lack of these same traits... how such polar opposites can exist in the same ( purportedly sentient) species boggles my mind. It does my heart a world of good to know that all of you are out there making life better for the little creatures that can do so little to improve their own lot... your kindness humbles me > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
