Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Ardy Robertson]

Thanks Amani - I am also very intrigued by Doxycycline being able to, I believe 
you said - possibly stop the FeLV virus from replicating. Is this being studied 
and tested by vets, schools, etc.?

I also through it was said that the cannibas oil stopped the herpes virus of 
cold sores - my word - I thought we had nothing to defeat viruses. Docs always 
say "it's a virus, it has to run its course" - well maybe not! Yet they aren't 
looking at obvious sources just because of its third cousin - "weed". Good 
grief!

Rant over!
Ardy


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 11:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Ardy, I think it was precisely because of my experience with Winstrol that I 
was open to the unthinkable thought that science and scientists weren’t always 
free to produce unbiased research, even when it could help a lot of animals or 
people.

I am, first and foremost, a scientist by training and inclination, and this 
concept was terribly foreign to me when I first stumbled upon the bizarre 
Winstrol situation. 

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: June-24-17 12:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Sort of like the stigma surrounding Winstrol due to the misuse of it by an 
Olympic athlete... people and animals who could be helped by it are not. 
People are crazy sometimes.

Ardy

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 12:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see 
very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this 
substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is 
clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial 
overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, 
the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. 
It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and 
placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific 
testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most 
scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the 
scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a 
pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the 
cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known 
medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a 
very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the 
drug company.

Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are Harvard 
professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing research 
regarding the healing powers of this substance.

Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its 
medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably effective 
in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy where they 
literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only medications 
heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into complete 
zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but 
doesn’t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in states which 
have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole families to other 
states to access medical marijuana when they have children suffering these 
syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills 
legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these 
suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective 
for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served 
overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. 

With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which 
occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 
months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with 
experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed 
complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development 
of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has been 
found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing 
short of earth-shattering. 

Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been helped 
if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply disturbing.

Amani

-Origin

Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Amani Oakley]

I think they obtain it directly from growers or they go to states where it is 
legal, or they get a prescription.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: June-24-17 12:16 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Amy - could you purchase it online?

I don't remember all the details, but I was told by a pharmacist several years 
ago (in Wisconsin where I live) that he was able to obtain medical marijuana 
for a cancer patient, and as far as I know it is not legal here. And of course 
I do know of people who have access to it, and use it for pain etc. - but I 
have no idea where they obtain it.
Ardy



-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy 
Glunt
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and 
NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. But 
now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm 
astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this 
information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live 
in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of 
the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my 
outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever 
symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to 
suffer. I'll hold out hope. 
Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. You 
literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge will 
save me from the agony of cold sores. 

Amy

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see 
> very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this 
> substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is 
> clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial 
> overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, 
> the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new 
> mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on 
> drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all 
> scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, 
> that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of 
> the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a 
> pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the 
> cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no 
> known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to 
> being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money 
> for the drug company.
> 
> Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are 
> Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing 
> research regarding the healing powers of this substance.
> 
> Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its 
> medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably 
> effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy 
> where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only 
> medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into 
> complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop 
> seizures, but doesn’t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents 
> in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole 
> families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children 
> suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved 
> to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted 
> with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be 
> very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and 
> women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. 
> 
> With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which 
> occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 
> months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with 
> experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed 
> complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development 
&

Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Amani Oakley]

Ardy, I think it was precisely because of my experience with Winstrol that I 
was open to the unthinkable thought that science and scientists weren’t always 
free to produce unbiased research, even when it could help a lot of animals or 
people.

I am, first and foremost, a scientist by training and inclination, and this 
concept was terribly foreign to me when I first stumbled upon the bizarre 
Winstrol situation. 

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: June-24-17 12:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Sort of like the stigma surrounding Winstrol due to the misuse of it by an 
Olympic athlete... people and animals who could be helped by it are not. 
People are crazy sometimes.

Ardy

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 12:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see 
very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this 
substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is 
clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial 
overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, 
the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. 
It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and 
placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific 
testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most 
scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the 
scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a 
pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the 
cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known 
medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a 
very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the 
drug company.

Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are Harvard 
professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing research 
regarding the healing powers of this substance.

Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its 
medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably effective 
in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy where they 
literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only medications 
heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into complete 
zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but 
doesn’t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in states which 
have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole families to other 
states to access medical marijuana when they have children suffering these 
syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills 
legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these 
suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective 
for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served 
overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. 

With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which 
occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 
months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with 
experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed 
complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development 
of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has been 
found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing 
short of earth-shattering. 

Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been helped 
if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply disturbing.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making 
it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that wonderful, 
nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.

 ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net> wrote: 
> 


Amy
I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held 
on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear 
that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless  I 
mentioned it to a couple of vets who we

Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Ardy Robertson]

Amy - could you purchase it online?

I don't remember all the details, but I was told by a pharmacist several years 
ago (in Wisconsin where I live) that he was able to obtain medical marijuana 
for a cancer patient, and as far as I know it is not legal here. And of course 
I do know of people who have access to it, and use it for pain etc. - but I 
have no idea where they obtain it.
Ardy



-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy 
Glunt
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and 
NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. But 
now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm 
astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this 
information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live 
in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of 
the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my 
outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever 
symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to 
suffer. I'll hold out hope. 
Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. You 
literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge will 
save me from the agony of cold sores. 

Amy

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see 
> very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this 
> substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is 
> clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial 
> overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, 
> the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new 
> mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on 
> drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all 
> scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, 
> that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of 
> the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a 
> pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the 
> cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no 
> known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to 
> being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money 
> for the drug company.
> 
> Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are 
> Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing 
> research regarding the healing powers of this substance.
> 
> Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its 
> medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably 
> effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy 
> where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only 
> medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into 
> complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop 
> seizures, but doesn’t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents 
> in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole 
> families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children 
> suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved 
> to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted 
> with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be 
> very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and 
> women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. 
> 
> With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which 
> occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 
> months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with 
> experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed 
> complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development 
> of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has 
> been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are 
> nothing short of earth-shattering. 
> 
> Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been 
> helped if not for 

Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Ardy Robertson]

Sort of like the stigma surrounding Winstrol due to the misuse of it by an 
Olympic athlete... people and animals who could be helped by it are not. 
People are crazy sometimes.

Ardy

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 12:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see 
very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this 
substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is 
clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial 
overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, 
the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. 
It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and 
placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific 
testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most 
scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the 
scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a 
pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the 
cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known 
medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a 
very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the 
drug company.

Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are Harvard 
professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing research 
regarding the healing powers of this substance.

Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its 
medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably effective 
in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy where they 
literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only medications 
heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into complete 
zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but 
doesn’t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in states which 
have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole families to other 
states to access medical marijuana when they have children suffering these 
syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills 
legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these 
suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective 
for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served 
overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. 

With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which 
occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 
months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with 
experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed 
complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development 
of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has been 
found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing 
short of earth-shattering. 

Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been helped 
if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply disturbing.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making 
it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that wonderful, 
nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.

 ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net> wrote: 
> 


Amy
I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held 
on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear 
that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless  I 
mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent that it IS 
useful  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose to believe and did not make a point 
of keeping the article for reference...  and Amani ( if you happen to read 
this)  I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM 
suspect when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to 
Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all the Hoopla there must be a 
pony in there somewhere..


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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[dlgegg]

Thanks.  I got started with amazon when I broke my arm and could not carry 
heavy bags of liter and food and just stayed there.  Will check out Chewy.

 Gloria <gloriajh...@verizon.net> wrote: 
> Topic was l-lysine FYI 邏
> 
> I shop Amazon, Petflow, and many other online pet supply stores and chewy.com 
> has consistently been the best value and customer service. If you choose 
> their autoship you can save more $$on selected products.
> They didn't pay me for this-I just want others to know so they'll have more 
> $$ to continue caring for their companions.
> I currently care for 15 cats-mostly feral-born. One was diagnosed w/85% 
> chance of FeLV, but if he was infected I believe he was Devinely healed in 
> answer to my prayers for him.
> So, with the cost of caring for these precious creatures I'm always looking 
> for the best cost-saving products. :)
> Gloria
> -g 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Pam Doore <thyme2s...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > I get mine from chewy.com. I needs to be made for cats or it is bitter. Two 
> > of mine get the gel mixed in with flld 2x a day. The othet gets the treats, 
> > all from Chewy :-).
> > 
> >> On Jun 21, 2017 5:26 PM, <dlg...@windstream.net> wrote:
> >> Okay, I am convinced.  Next question is where do you get the safe stuff.  
> >> There are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady 
> >> seller.
> >> 
> >>  Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> >> > Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some 
> >> > cannabis oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually 
> >> > passed away. I had gotten the oil far too late in the day, 
> >> > unfortunately, as I too knew nothing about this stuff and was pretty 
> >> > darned skeptical - having been brought up as a "good girl" who had never 
> >> > ever tried drugs of any kind.
> >> >
> >> > I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin 
> >> > cancer with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore 
> >> > starting at the corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on 
> >> > topically, put a band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it 
> >> > completely gone. I have used other stuff from the drug mart, and found 
> >> > that it assisted SOMETIMES in shortening the duration of the cold sore, 
> >> > but never before had I had the sore disappear on day one. I then did a 
> >> > Google search on cannabis oil and cold sores, and was stunned to find 
> >> > many many people reporting its significant effectiveness and research 
> >> > which found its effectiveness against herpes viruses.
> >> >
> >> > Amani
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> >> > Amy Glunt
> >> > Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM
> >> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> >> >
> >> > I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, 
> >> > and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a 
> >> > treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to 
> >> > herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible 
> >> > cure, and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a 
> >> > shame! And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize 
> >> > medical marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, 
> >> > all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible 
> >> > and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if 
> >> > only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll 
> >> > hold out hope.
> >> > Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of 
> >> > knowledge. You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your 
> >> > shared knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores.
> >> >
> >> > Amy
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> > > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> 
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own re

Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Amani Oakley]

Well, I guess that makes sense then!

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam 
Doore
Sent: June-21-17 9:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

I was talking about lysine.

~~@~@~@~@~@

Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ 
beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Amani Oakley 
<aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Huh??

Are you sure it is cannabis oil and not a derivative of hemp which is sometimes 
confusingly called the same thing? Usually you need a prescription and to jump 
through a million hoops. I don’t think it is easily available. I just went to 
chewy.com<http://chewy.com>, but don’t see it. I did a search on “cannabis” and 
another on “oil” and nothing came up fitting the bill. I would have been really 
surprised if something had.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-bounces@<mailto:felvtalk-bounces@>felineleukemia.org<http://felineleukemia.org>]
 On Behalf Of Pam Doore
Sent: June-21-17 8:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine


I get mine from chewy.com. I needs to be made for cats or it is bitter. Two of 
mine get the gel mixed in with flld 2x a day. The othet gets the treats, all 
from Chewy :-).
On Jun 21, 2017 5:26 PM, <dlg...@windstream.net<mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> 
wrote:
Okay, I am convinced.  Next question is where do you get the safe stuff.  There 
are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady seller.

 Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> 
wrote:
> Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some cannabis 
> oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually passed away. I 
> had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately, as I too knew 
> nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical - having been 
> brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of any kind.
>
> I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin cancer 
> with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore starting at the 
> corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on topically, put a 
> band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it completely gone. I have 
> used other stuff from the drug mart, and found that it assisted SOMETIMES in 
> shortening the duration of the cold sore, but never before had I had the sore 
> disappear on day one. I then did a Google search on cannabis oil and cold 
> sores, and was stunned to find many many people reporting its significant 
> effectiveness and research which found its effectiveness against herpes 
> viruses.
>
> Amani
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy 
> Glunt
> Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
>
> I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and 
> NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. 
> But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm 
> astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this 
> information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live 
> in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of 
> the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering 
> (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and 
> fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer 
> have to suffer. I'll hold out hope.
> Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. 
> You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge 
> will save me from the agony of cold sores.
>
> Amy
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley 
> > <aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will 
> > see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects 
> > this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. 
> > It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial 
> > overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of 
> > prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, 
> > needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that beca

Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Pam Doore]

I was talking about lysine.

~~@~@~@~@~@

*Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — **St. Patrick*


On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
wrote:

> Huh??
>
>
>
> Are you sure it is cannabis oil and not a derivative of hemp which is
> sometimes confusingly called the same thing? Usually you need a
> prescription and to jump through a million hoops. I don’t think it is
> easily available. I just went to chewy.com, but don’t see it. I did a
> search on “cannabis” and another on “oil” and nothing came up fitting the
> bill. I would have been really surprised if something had.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Pam Doore
> *Sent:* June-21-17 8:00 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
>
>
>
> I get mine from chewy.com. I needs to be made for cats or it is bitter.
> Two of mine get the gel mixed in with flld 2x a day. The othet gets the
> treats, all from Chewy :-).
>
> On Jun 21, 2017 5:26 PM, <dlg...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> Okay, I am convinced.  Next question is where do you get the safe stuff.
> There are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady
> seller.
>
>  Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> > Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some
> cannabis oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually
> passed away. I had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately,
> as I too knew nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical -
> having been brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of
> any kind.
> >
> > I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin
> cancer with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore
> starting at the corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on
> topically, put a band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it
> completely gone. I have used other stuff from the drug mart, and found that
> it assisted SOMETIMES in shortening the duration of the cold sore, but
> never before had I had the sore disappear on day one. I then did a Google
> search on cannabis oil and cold sores, and was stunned to find many many
> people reporting its significant effectiveness and research which found its
> effectiveness against herpes viruses.
> >
> > Amani
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Amy Glunt
> > Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> >
> > I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them,
> and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a
> treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to
> herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure,
> and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame!
> And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize medical
> marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, all the pain
> and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving,
> with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some
> cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll hold out hope.
> > Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of
> knowledge. You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your
> shared knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores.
> >
> > Amy
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You
> will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive
> effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the
> research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught
> with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise
> of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition,
> needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this
> ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the
> United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned
> completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing
> any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from
>

Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Gloria]

Topic was l-lysine FYI 邏

I shop Amazon, Petflow, and many other online pet supply stores and chewy.com 
has consistently been the best value and customer service. If you choose their 
autoship you can save more $$on selected products.
They didn't pay me for this-I just want others to know so they'll have more $$ 
to continue caring for their companions.
I currently care for 15 cats-mostly feral-born. One was diagnosed w/85% chance 
of FeLV, but if he was infected I believe he was Devinely healed in answer to 
my prayers for him.
So, with the cost of caring for these precious creatures I'm always looking for 
the best cost-saving products. :)
Gloria
-g 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Pam Doore <thyme2s...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I get mine from chewy.com. I needs to be made for cats or it is bitter. Two 
> of mine get the gel mixed in with flld 2x a day. The othet gets the treats, 
> all from Chewy :-).
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2017 5:26 PM, <dlg...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> Okay, I am convinced.  Next question is where do you get the safe stuff.  
>> There are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady seller.
>> 
>>  Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
>> > Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some 
>> > cannabis oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually 
>> > passed away. I had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately, 
>> > as I too knew nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical - 
>> > having been brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of 
>> > any kind.
>> >
>> > I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin 
>> > cancer with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore 
>> > starting at the corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on 
>> > topically, put a band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it 
>> > completely gone. I have used other stuff from the drug mart, and found 
>> > that it assisted SOMETIMES in shortening the duration of the cold sore, 
>> > but never before had I had the sore disappear on day one. I then did a 
>> > Google search on cannabis oil and cold sores, and was stunned to find many 
>> > many people reporting its significant effectiveness and research which 
>> > found its effectiveness against herpes viruses.
>> >
>> > Amani
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> > Amy Glunt
>> > Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM
>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
>> >
>> > I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, 
>> > and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a 
>> > treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to 
>> > herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, 
>> > and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! 
>> > And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize medical 
>> > marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, all the 
>> > pain and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible and 
>> > unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if only I 
>> > could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll hold out 
>> > hope.
>> > Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. 
>> > You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared 
>> > knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores.
>> >
>> > Amy
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> 
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You 
>> > > will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive 
>> > > effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the 
>> > > research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was 
>> > > fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after 
>> > > the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing 
>> > > prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of 
>> > > this ill-conceived war on drugs, and pla

Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Amani Oakley]

Huh??

Are you sure it is cannabis oil and not a derivative of hemp which is sometimes 
confusingly called the same thing? Usually you need a prescription and to jump 
through a million hoops. I don’t think it is easily available. I just went to 
chewy.com, but don’t see it. I did a search on “cannabis” and another on “oil” 
and nothing came up fitting the bill. I would have been really surprised if 
something had.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam 
Doore
Sent: June-21-17 8:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine


I get mine from chewy.com<http://chewy.com>. I needs to be made for cats or it 
is bitter. Two of mine get the gel mixed in with flld 2x a day. The othet gets 
the treats, all from Chewy :-).
On Jun 21, 2017 5:26 PM, <dlg...@windstream.net<mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> 
wrote:
Okay, I am convinced.  Next question is where do you get the safe stuff.  There 
are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady seller.

 Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> 
wrote:
> Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some cannabis 
> oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually passed away. I 
> had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately, as I too knew 
> nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical - having been 
> brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of any kind.
>
> I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin cancer 
> with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore starting at the 
> corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on topically, put a 
> band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it completely gone. I have 
> used other stuff from the drug mart, and found that it assisted SOMETIMES in 
> shortening the duration of the cold sore, but never before had I had the sore 
> disappear on day one. I then did a Google search on cannabis oil and cold 
> sores, and was stunned to find many many people reporting its significant 
> effectiveness and research which found its effectiveness against herpes 
> viruses.
>
> Amani
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>]
>  On Behalf Of Amy Glunt
> Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
>
> I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and 
> NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. 
> But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm 
> astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this 
> information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live 
> in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of 
> the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering 
> (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and 
> fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer 
> have to suffer. I'll hold out hope.
> Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. 
> You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge 
> will save me from the agony of cold sores.
>
> Amy
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley 
> > <aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will 
> > see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects 
> > this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. 
> > It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial 
> > overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of 
> > prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, 
> > needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this 
> > ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the 
> > United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned 
> > completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing 
> > any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from 
> > Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to 
> > extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as 
> > Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicin

Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Pam Doore]

I get mine from chewy.com. I needs to be made for cats or it is bitter. Two
of mine get the gel mixed in with flld 2x a day. The othet gets the treats,
all from Chewy :-).
On Jun 21, 2017 5:26 PM, <dlg...@windstream.net> wrote:

> Okay, I am convinced.  Next question is where do you get the safe stuff.
> There are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady
> seller.
>
>  Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> > Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some
> cannabis oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually
> passed away. I had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately,
> as I too knew nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical -
> having been brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of
> any kind.
> >
> > I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin
> cancer with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore
> starting at the corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on
> topically, put a band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it
> completely gone. I have used other stuff from the drug mart, and found that
> it assisted SOMETIMES in shortening the duration of the cold sore, but
> never before had I had the sore disappear on day one. I then did a Google
> search on cannabis oil and cold sores, and was stunned to find many many
> people reporting its significant effectiveness and research which found its
> effectiveness against herpes viruses.
> >
> > Amani
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Amy Glunt
> > Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> >
> > I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them,
> and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a
> treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to
> herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure,
> and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame!
> And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize medical
> marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, all the pain
> and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving,
> with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some
> cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll hold out hope.
> > Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of
> knowledge. You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your
> shared knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores.
> >
> > Amy
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You
> will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive
> effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the
> research. It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught
> with racial overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise
> of prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition,
> needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this
> ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the
> United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned
> completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing
> any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from
> Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to
> extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as
> Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the
> criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug
> which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company.
> > >
> > > Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There
> are Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent,
> amazing research regarding the healing powers of this substance.
> > >
> > > Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it
> for its medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is
> unbelievably effective in helping young children suffering from severe
> forms of epilepsy where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour,
> and the only medications heretofore even slightly effective would p

Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[dlgegg]

Okay, I am convinced.  Next question is where do you get the safe stuff.  There 
are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady seller.

 Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: 
> Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some cannabis 
> oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually passed away. I 
> had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately, as I too knew 
> nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical - having been 
> brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of any kind.
> 
> I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin cancer 
> with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore starting at the 
> corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on topically, put a 
> band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it completely gone. I have 
> used other stuff from the drug mart, and found that it assisted SOMETIMES in 
> shortening the duration of the cold sore, but never before had I had the sore 
> disappear on day one. I then did a Google search on cannabis oil and cold 
> sores, and was stunned to find many many people reporting its significant 
> effectiveness and research which found its effectiveness against herpes 
> viruses.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy 
> Glunt
> Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> 
> I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and 
> NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. 
> But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm 
> astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this 
> information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live 
> in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of 
> the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering 
> (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and 
> fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer 
> have to suffer. I'll hold out hope. 
> Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. 
> You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge 
> will save me from the agony of cold sores. 
> 
> Amy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will 
> > see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects 
> > this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. 
> > It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial 
> > overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of 
> > prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, 
> > needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this 
> > ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the 
> > United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned 
> > completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing 
> > any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from 
> > Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to 
> > extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as 
> > Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the 
> > criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug 
> > which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company.
> > 
> > Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are 
> > Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing 
> > research regarding the healing powers of this substance.
> > 
> > Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its 
> > medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably 
> > effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy 
> > where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only 
> > medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children 
> > into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable 
> > non-stop seizures, but doesn’t affect the children's level of 
> > consciousness. Parents in states which have not legali

Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Amani Oakley]

Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some cannabis oil 
I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually passed away. I had 
gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately, as I too knew nothing 
about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical - having been brought up as a 
"good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of any kind.

I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin cancer 
with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore starting at the 
corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on topically, put a 
band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it completely gone. I have used 
other stuff from the drug mart, and found that it assisted SOMETIMES in 
shortening the duration of the cold sore, but never before had I had the sore 
disappear on day one. I then did a Google search on cannabis oil and cold 
sores, and was stunned to find many many people reporting its significant 
effectiveness and research which found its effectiveness against herpes viruses.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy 
Glunt
Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and 
NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. But 
now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm 
astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this 
information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live 
in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of 
the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my 
outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever 
symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to 
suffer. I'll hold out hope. 
Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. You 
literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge will 
save me from the agony of cold sores. 

Amy

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see 
> very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this 
> substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is 
> clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial 
> overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, 
> the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new 
> mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on 
> drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all 
> scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, 
> that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of 
> the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a 
> pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the 
> cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no 
> known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to 
> being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money 
> for the drug company.
> 
> Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are 
> Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing 
> research regarding the healing powers of this substance.
> 
> Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its 
> medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably 
> effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy 
> where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only 
> medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into 
> complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop 
> seizures, but doesn’t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents 
> in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole 
> families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children 
> suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved 
> to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted 
> with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be 
> very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and 
> women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. 
> 
> With respect to cancer therapy, one of the

Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Amy Glunt]

I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and 
NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. But 
now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm 
astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this 
information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live 
in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of 
the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my 
outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever 
symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to 
suffer. I'll hold out hope. 
Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. You 
literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge will 
save me from the agony of cold sores. 

Amy

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see 
> very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this 
> substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is 
> clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial 
> overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, 
> the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new 
> mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on 
> drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all 
> scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, 
> that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of 
> the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a 
> pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the 
> cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no 
> known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to 
> being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money 
> for the drug company.
> 
> Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are 
> Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing 
> research regarding the healing powers of this substance.
> 
> Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its 
> medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably 
> effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy 
> where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only 
> medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into 
> complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop 
> seizures, but doesn’t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents 
> in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole 
> families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children 
> suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved 
> to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted 
> with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be 
> very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and 
> women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. 
> 
> With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which 
> occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 
> months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with 
> experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed 
> complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development 
> of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has 
> been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are 
> nothing short of earth-shattering. 
> 
> Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been 
> helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply 
> disturbing.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> 
> I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify 
> making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that 
> wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.
> 
>  ROBE

Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Amani Oakley]

Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see 
very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this 
substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is 
clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial 
overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, 
the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. 
It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and 
placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific 
testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most 
scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the 
scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a 
pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the 
cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known 
medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a 
very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the 
drug company.

Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are Harvard 
professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing research 
regarding the healing powers of this substance.

Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its 
medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably effective 
in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy where they 
literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only medications 
heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into complete 
zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop seizures, but 
doesn’t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents in states which 
have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole families to other 
states to access medical marijuana when they have children suffering these 
syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills 
legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these 
suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective 
for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and women who have served 
overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. 

With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which 
occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 
months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with 
experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed 
complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development 
of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has been 
found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are nothing 
short of earth-shattering. 

Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been helped 
if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply disturbing.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making 
it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that wonderful, 
nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.

 ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net> wrote: 
> 


Amy
I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I held 
on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT want to hear 
that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was useless  I 
mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather insistent that it IS 
useful  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose to believe and did not make a point 
of keeping the article for reference...  and Amani ( if you happen to read 
this)  I am getting hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM 
suspect when something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to 
Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all the Hoopla there must be a 
pony in there somewhere..


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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[dlgegg]

I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making 
it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that wonderful, 
nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> 


Amy
I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something 
I held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT 
want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was 
useless  I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather 
insistent that it IS useful  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose to 
believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for 
reference...  and Amani ( if you happen to read this)  I am getting 
hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when 
something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to 
Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all the Hoopla there must 
be a pony in there somewhere..


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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Amy
I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something 
I held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT 
want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was 
useless  I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather 
insistent that it IS useful  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose to 
believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for 
reference...  and Amani ( if you happen to read this)  I am getting 
hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when 
something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to 
Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all the Hoopla there must 
be a pony in there somewhere..



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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Ardy Robertson]

Where would one purchase cannabis oil? I have actually never had a cold sore, 
but I was thinking if it works for that, it might be good for other stuff too…….

 

Thank you,

Ardy Robertson, Clerk

Town of Garfield – Jackson County, WI

N14438 Valleybrook Ln

Osseo  WI  54758

715-533-0661

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 3:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

 

Actually, to be honest, what I found stopped my cold sore in its tracks and it 
has NEVER returned was cannabis oil. It was remarkable. The cold sore 
disappeared after I applied the oil to the sore overnight, and I have never had 
a reoccurrence since – I think it has been over a year or close to two now. 

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam 
Doore
Sent: June-20-17 4:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

 

I too use lysine for canker sores and I give the gel form to my cats. I amVERY 
pleased with quick response.

On Jun 20, 2017 3:26 PM, "Gloria" <gloriajh...@verizon.net 
<mailto:gloriajh...@verizon.net> > wrote:

Personally- it's L Lysine & I use it to protect myself against the herpes virus 
- it works for me no doubt about effectiveness!!

-g 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 12:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net 
> <mailto:bcha...@optonline.net> > wrote:
>
> I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for 
> Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness 
> but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective   I'd prefer to " 
> believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other 
> anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of 
> side effects  Once again... have to weight the benefits against the 
> drawbacks.
>
>
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>> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus.  
>> Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino acid, so not 
>> harmful.  Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work.  
>> Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. 
>> Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway.  
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[dlgegg]

That is the important thing, did it work for you.  That is how I judge nay 
thing I take.

 Marilyn Knapp Litt <mari...@marilynlitt.com> wrote: 
> Well put!  My philosophy exactly.  I am doing what I can and what can I do if 
> I accept that common remedies do not work?  For example I take quinine for my 
> restless legs.  The FDA ruled it does not work . . . but it works for me . . 
> . 
> 
> Marilyn
> 
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> ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 2:04 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> 
> I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for 
> Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness 
> but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective   I'd prefer to " 
> believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other 
> anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of 
> side effects  Once again... 
> have to weight the benefits against the drawbacks.
> 
> 
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> > virus.  Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino 
> > acid, so not harmful.  Googling just now I found a study that says it 
> > does not work.  Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect 
> > my other cats. Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be 
> > Herpe's anyway.  Antibiotic seems to not be working either.  I am 
> > feeding cat food with a syringe and she is going to the vet today for 
> > a consult on using steroids and Zander's Protocol.
> >
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> >
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> > Of Ardy Robertson
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> > May I ask ? what is lycine that was mentioned for use in water dishes 
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[Gloria]

Good to know about the oil, too! Thx!

-g 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> Actually, to be honest, what I found stopped my cold sore in its tracks and 
> it has NEVER returned was cannabis oil. It was remarkable. The cold sore 
> disappeared after I applied the oil to the sore overnight, and I have never 
> had a reoccurrence since – I think it has been over a year or close to two 
> now.
>  
> Amani
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam 
> Doore
> Sent: June-20-17 4:11 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
>  
> I too use lysine for canker sores and I give the gel form to my cats. I 
> amVERY pleased with quick response.
> 
> On Jun 20, 2017 3:26 PM, "Gloria" <gloriajh...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Personally- it's L Lysine & I use it to protect myself against the herpes 
> virus - it works for me no doubt about effectiveness!!
> 
> -g 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jun 20, 2017, at 12:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >
> > I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for 
> > Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness 
> > but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective   I'd prefer to " 
> > believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other 
> > anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share 
> > of side effects  Once again... have to weight the benefits against the 
> > drawbacks.
> >
> >
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> >> Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino acid, so not 
> >> harmful.  Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work.  
> >> Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Amani Oakley]

Actually, to be honest, what I found stopped my cold sore in its tracks and it 
has NEVER returned was cannabis oil. It was remarkable. The cold sore 
disappeared after I applied the oil to the sore overnight, and I have never had 
a reoccurrence since – I think it has been over a year or close to two now.

Amani

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Doore
Sent: June-20-17 4:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine


I too use lysine for canker sores and I give the gel form to my cats. I amVERY 
pleased with quick response.
On Jun 20, 2017 3:26 PM, "Gloria" 
<gloriajh...@verizon.net<mailto:gloriajh...@verizon.net>> wrote:
Personally- it's L Lysine & I use it to protect myself against the herpes virus 
- it works for me no doubt about effectiveness!!

-g 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 12:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL 
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>
> I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for 
> Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness 
> but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective   I'd prefer to " 
> believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other 
> anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of 
> side effects  Once again... have to weight the benefits against the 
> drawbacks.
>
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>> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus.  
>> Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino acid, so not 
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>> Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Amani Oakley]

But Amy, I think that's what someone mentioned earlier. It is effective is 
holding the virus in abeyance, but not in killing the virus. I think if you are 
dealing with an aggressive virus, it may not be all that effective, but I agree 
that there doesn't seem to be any downside risk to using it, so why not.

Amani

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

Bob, I'm curious if you could link to the study you mention. I've been taking 
lysine for years to help with my cold sores and I find that it most definitely 
IS effective at helping suppress them. Maybe it's different for animals. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for 
> Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness 
> but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective   I'd prefer to " 
> believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other 
> anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of 
> side effects  Once again... have to weight the benefits against the 
> drawbacks.
> 
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>> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus.  
>> Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino acid, so not 
>> harmful.  Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work.  
>> Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. 
>> Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway.  
>> Antibiotic seems to not be working either.  I am feeding cat food with a 
>> syringe and she is going to the vet today for a consult on using steroids 
>> and Zander's Protocol.
>> 
>> 
>> Marilyn
>> 
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>> May I ask ? what is lycine that was mentioned for use in water dishes 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Pam Doore]

I too use lysine for canker sores and I give the gel form to my cats. I
amVERY pleased with quick response.
On Jun 20, 2017 3:26 PM, "Gloria" <gloriajh...@verizon.net> wrote:

> Personally- it's L Lysine & I use it to protect myself against the herpes
> virus - it works for me no doubt about effectiveness!!
>
> -g 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 20, 2017, at 12:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for
> Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness
> but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective   I'd prefer to "
> believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other
> anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share
> of side effects  Once again... have to weight the benefits against the
> drawbacks.
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> >> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the
> virus.  Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino acid, so
> not harmful.  Googling just now I found a study that says it does not
> work.  Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Amy Glunt]

Bob, I'm curious if you could link to the study you mention. I've been taking 
lysine for years to help with my cold sores and I find that it most definitely 
IS effective at helping suppress them. Maybe it's different for animals. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for 
> Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness 
> but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective   I'd prefer to " 
> believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other 
> anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of 
> side effects  Once again... have to weight the benefits against the 
> drawbacks.
> 
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>> Feline Antioxidant
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>> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus.  
>> Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino acid, so not 
>> harmful.  Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work.  
>> Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. 
>> Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway.  
>> Antibiotic seems to not be working either.  I am feeding cat food with a 
>> syringe and she is going to the vet today for a consult on using steroids 
>> and Zander's Protocol.
>> 
>> 
>> Marilyn
>> 
>> 
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Ardy Robertson
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 7:09 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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>> 
>> 
>> May I ask ? what is lycine that was mentioned for use in water dishes (not 
>> that Topaz drinks out of dishes! But Peekers does.)
>> 
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>> Thank you,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

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Well put!  My philosophy exactly.  I am doing what I can and what can I do if I 
accept that common remedies do not work?  For example I take quinine for my 
restless legs.  The FDA ruled it does not work . . . but it works for me . . . 

Marilyn

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I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for 
Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness but 
vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective   I'd prefer to " believe" 
at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other anti-virals one 
can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of side effects  
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> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the 
> virus.  Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino 
> acid, so not harmful.  Googling just now I found a study that says it 
> does not work.  Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect 
> my other cats. Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be 
> Herpe's anyway.  Antibiotic seems to not be working either.  I am 
> feeding cat food with a syringe and she is going to the vet today for 
> a consult on using steroids and Zander's Protocol.
>
>
> Marilyn
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> May I ask ? what is lycine that was mentioned for use in water dishes 
> (not that Topaz drinks out of dishes! But Peekers does.)
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Gloria]

Personally- it's L Lysine & I use it to protect myself against the herpes virus 
- it works for me no doubt about effectiveness!!

-g 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 12:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for 
> Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness 
> but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective   I'd prefer to " 
> believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other 
> anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of 
> side effects  Once again... have to weight the benefits against the 
> drawbacks.
> 
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>> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus.  
>> Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino acid, so not 
>> harmful.  Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work.  
>> Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. 
>> Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway.  
>> Antibiotic seems to not b


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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for 
Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's 
ineffectiveness but vets I have gone to insist that it IS 
effective   I'd prefer to " believe" at this point rather than to 
feel helpless... there are other anti-virals one can use but they are 
rather expensive and have their share of side effects  Once again... 
have to weight the benefits against the drawbacks.



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Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the 
virus.  Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino 
acid, so not harmful.  Googling just now I found a study that says it 
does not work.  Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect 
my other cats. Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be 
Herpe's anyway.  Antibiotic seems to not be working either.  I am 
feeding cat food with a syringe and she is going to the vet today for 
a consult on using steroids and Zander's Protocol.



Marilyn


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May I ask ? what is lycine that was mentioned for use in water dishes 
(not that Topaz drinks out of dishes! But Peekers does.)



Thank you,

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[Felvtalk] NOW lysine link

[Margo]

Of course, I forgot the link...

http://www.supplementwarehouse.com/viewitem.asp?idproduct=162510pxc=4sh=0gclid=CJzO1tv4zMICFSdn7AoddjwA-A

Sorry

Margo

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Harley is in the hospital


I'm very glad to hear Harley is doing so well. Hoping he'll be home tomorrow.

With my Vet's approval, I keep famciclovir on hand for possible herpes flares, 
and have had great results from it. I use the NOW lysine powder, and the cats 
don't seem to notice it in their food, wet or dry. This seems to be the 
cheapest currently, but I'm often able to add it to other orders I place, so I 
keep my eyes open :)

HTH

Margo

-Original Message-
From: Marsha mar...@lynxe.com
Sent: Dec 16, 2014 8:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Harley is in the hospital

Deb, the crazy thing is that symptoms can be variable.  I have been 
wracking my brain and talking to the vet, and one thing that looks like 
a possibility now is that Brock, the FeLV+ cat I adopted 2.5 months ago, 
may be a carrier of whatever URI virus it is.  This all seemed to start 
(but could be coincidence) when our weather got weird here.  Big 
temperature inversion, poor air quality, temps 20 degrees above normal, 
fog/mist/drizzle for a week.  Brock was a little sneezy, but no other 
symptoms.  Harley has *never* been sick before, in the 4+ years he's 
been with me.  I am thinking maybe the odd weather threw them for a 
loop, and the virus flared up in Brock, and Harley got it from him.  But 
Brock, being younger, and not as far along in immune suppression, had 
such mild symptoms that I didn't think it was a URI, just maybe some 
dust made him sneeze.  But that's all just a theory.  In any case, I 
think I better get those lysine chews or the capsules, since they 
wouldn't eat the gel. Don't know for sure if this is herpes virus, but 
could be, especially since I just read that can cause pharyngitis.  And 
I believe that's what the lysine is supposed to help the most, is FHV.

Marsha


On 12/16/2014 6:31 PM, Debi Kraal wrote:
 Marsha-
 Thanks for the the information you have been sharing.  All is well so far 
 with my Felv + , Bean (slayer of dragons).  Good to hear what sort of 
 symptoms start with the all to common URI with these cats.
 Glad to hear Harley is fighting the bug...
 Deb



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Re: [Felvtalk] NOW lysine link

[Marsha]

Thanks, Margo.

On 12/17/2014 5:18 AM, Margo wrote:

Of course, I forgot the link...

http://www.supplementwarehouse.com/viewitem.asp?idproduct=162510pxc=4sh=0gclid=CJzO1tv4zMICFSdn7AoddjwA-A

Sorry

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Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine

[Lee Evans]

I kept Gracie alive on a wonderful herbal and lysine compound. She lived 2 
years on it. I bought lysine capsules, would open up and pour half into a half 
can of wet food, mix with the other herbs and syringe it into her. The cat 
would not eat but she stayed alive, relatively healthy and active for two whole 
years. We never could find out what had eliminated her appetite and it was a 
nuisance syringe feeding her twice a day but it worked until up until 2 weeks 
before the end when she simply refused to swallow and it was time to go. She 
was not positive for anything. Some mystery illness, I guess. The mixture also 
included two other herbs and some buffered vitamin C.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!






 From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine
 
Hi Rachel
I tried the L-Lysine human tablets for my cat and he threw up!  Maybe
someone knows how to dose it down, but I felt it was risky.  In fact, he
never tolerated the vet's product, either.  Maybe it's just him.
Good luck.
I know it is good for humans as when I get a cold sore it knocks it right
out (caution: can cause constipation).
Bonnie

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Rachel Raven
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 6:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine

My vet has a pharmacy mix up a cat suitable dosage of liquid L-Lysine (with
fish flavoring). It is quite expensive and I always have some left over. I
was wondering if anyone knows if this stuff can still be used after the use
by date or not?

Also I've seen in health food stores lysine capsules. I was wondering if
anyone uses that for their cat and in what dosage? Or if anyone knows if
that would be something that could be done? I figured it would probably be
okay if the conversions were right but since the mix I get from the pharmacy
also contains some sort of fish flavor that may change the ml so I don't
know.

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Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine

[Bonnie Hogue]

Hi Rachel
I tried the L-Lysine human tablets for my cat and he threw up!  Maybe
someone knows how to dose it down, but I felt it was risky.  In fact, he
never tolerated the vet's product, either.  Maybe it's just him.
Good luck.
I know it is good for humans as when I get a cold sore it knocks it right
out (caution: can cause constipation).
Bonnie

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Rachel Raven
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 6:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine

My vet has a pharmacy mix up a cat suitable dosage of liquid L-Lysine (with
fish flavoring). It is quite expensive and I always have some left over. I
was wondering if anyone knows if this stuff can still be used after the use
by date or not?

Also I've seen in health food stores lysine capsules. I was wondering if
anyone uses that for their cat and in what dosage? Or if anyone knows if
that would be something that could be done? I figured it would probably be
okay if the conversions were right but since the mix I get from the pharmacy
also contains some sort of fish flavor that may change the ml so I don't
know.

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[Felvtalk] L-lysine

[Kat Parker]

I've used L-lysine capsules over the years just fine--same ones people
take.  Buy them at a health food store.  For an adult, average sized cat
(8-12 pounds +/-), buy the 500 mg capsules, open them up, and use roughly
half mixed in with a can of cat food,or equivalent.  Ideally, you use 250
in the morning,250 in the evening. During flare-ups you can dose as high as
1000a day,given in two doses, split equally.   It is nearly impossible for
a cat to overdose on L-lysine as it is water soluble and what is not used
is peed out right away.And, the treatment will probably need to be
given for life,for the same reason.  It works only when you give it, and it
must be given every 12 hours (twice a day).

Lysine supplements also come in a variety of products formulated as treats,
paste, powder, tablets and chews, so it’s easier for cats to take, too,but
I have always used the 500 mg capsules.
*

Love and Katnip,
  ~Kat~ =^,,^=

**I'm Kat Parker.  I park cats.**
Spay  neuter your neighbors...  maybe THAT will fix the problem.*
*Keep your kitties INSIDE, 24/7, 'cause an inside cat is a SAFE  HAPPY
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 Cc:
 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:06:24 -0500
 Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine
 My vet has a pharmacy mix up a cat suitable dosage of liquid L-Lysine
 (with fish flavoring). It is quite expensive and I always have some
 left over. I was wondering if anyone knows if this stuff can still be
 used after the use by date or not?

 Also I've seen in health food stores lysine capsules. I was wondering
 if anyone uses that for their cat and in what dosage? Or if anyone
 knows if that would be something that could be done? I figured it
 would probably be okay if the conversions were right but since the mix
 I get from the pharmacy also contains some sort of fish flavor that
 may change the ml so I don't know.

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[Felvtalk] Best online price for L-Lysine?

[wendy]

Hey guys,

Where do you order your L-lysine from (for those of you who order it online) 
and 
about how much are you paying for it?  I can't find in my archives any websites 
to order from, so thought I would just ask.

Thank you!
:)
Wendy



  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Best online price for L-Lysine?

[Sally Davis]

I got mine at Puritan's Pride when they have the buy one get three free.
Which I belive is going on right now. I get my vitamins there too for me.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Best online price for L-Lysine?

[Sharyl]

I buy the L-lysine powder to avoid additives.  I get 1 lb containers from 
iHerbs.
http://www.iherb.com/L-Lysine

No idea if there is a cheaper source for the pure powder.
Sharyl 

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 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Best online price for L-Lysine?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 3:50 PM
 I got mine at Puritan's Pride when
 they have the buy one get three free.
 Which I belive is going on right now. I get my vitamins
 there too for me.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Best online price for L-Lysine?

[wendy]

Thank you so much for the sources!  :) Wendy
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the 
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From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 4:18:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Best online price for L-Lysine?

I buy the L-lysine powder to avoid additives.  I get 1 lb containers from 
iHerbs.
http://www.iherb.com/L-Lysine

No idea if there is a cheaper source for the pure powder.
Sharyl 

--- On Sun, 12/5/10, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Best online price for L-Lysine?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 3:50 PM
 I got mine at Puritan's Pride when
 they have the buy one get three free.
 Which I belive is going on right now. I get my vitamins
 there too for me.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-One week on the Lysine and much improved!! (after 2 weeks of dripping and sneezing)

[Sharyl]

Great update Alice.  He can be on a maintenance dose of 250 mg forever.  I only 
have 3 water bowels out so all mine get it everyday in their water.
Sharyl 

--- On Mon, 10/18/10, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy-One week on the Lysine and much improved!! (after 
 2 weeks of dripping and sneezing)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 1:05 AM
 It's been a rough two weeks with poor
 Murphy and his drippy and sneezy nose. He 
 got so lethargic and became congested in the nose that by
 mid-week he wasn't 
 eating much. I started him last Sunday on the Lysine. He
 will not eat anything 
 with Lysine added, nor will he go near those expensive
 Lysine treats that I 
 bought at the vet's office. I didn't try it in the water
 because I have water 
 all over the house 2-3 dishes for him and Rosie and also a
 5 gallon water 
 dispenser for the 3 Australian Shepherds that co-rule our
 home. The cats drink 
 out of it also. I put the powdered Lysine into the #3 gel
 caps that I get from 
 my vet. I think I went overboard the first day-gave him 2
 in the AM and 1 in the 
 PM-u oo-he had the runs the next day-poor boy was
 dripping outta both 
 ends. Not a fun clean up when you have a fluffy cat!! I
 called the vet and they 
 said I could try saline spray and/or a mild Afrin spray for
 his nose-steam (he 
 already perches on the toilet seat every night while I
 shower, so I turned the 
 fan off to keep the steam in the room). So then I
 disassembled all the gel 
 caps-one had doxy and cypro and the other had the lasix and
 pred. I filled all 
 the empty space in the caps with Lysine and reassembled
 them. So maybe he was 
 getting 3/4 to a whole caps worth of Lysine 2x a day. On
 Thursday I gave him his 
 LTCI and Procrit injections-he's once a week on each. He
 was still sleeping alot 
 Friday, but his nose was less drippy and he seemed
 brighter. Today he is 
 following me all around the house and is more involved and
 talking again. 
 Oh-another thing I tried, on Wednesday I diluted some Afrin
 nasal spray with 2 
 parts saline spray and gave him a few squirts into the
 snoot- He went into 4 
 wheel drive trying to escape! He was not a happy kitty at
 all, so it may have 
 helped for a short while, I only did it once. Thank
 goodness he is such a 
 forgiving soul. He is feeling much better today, hardly any
 sneezing and barely 
 any drips. He was jabbering away in the kitchen this
 morning, sitting on his 
 little throne (I have a little plastic step cuz I'm short.
 It's in the corner of 
 the kitchen and he claims it as his throne.) He wouldn't
 shut up until he and 
 Rosie got their 1cc of Interferon and he got his meds, 3
 capsules. He sits and 
 waits for them, then when that's done, he expects fresh wet
 food! Anyway-that's 
 our little update-I am a believer in the Lysine now, but it
 takes a little time 
 to knock out the Herpes virus that we think flares up
 whenever his immune system 
 is low. Doe anyone know how long he can be on
 it?   Alice  (Rosie and Murphy 
 too!)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-One week on the Lysine and much improved!! (after2 weeks of dripping and sneezing)

[Sara Kasteleyn]

Alice, bless your heart.  It can be a real merry-go-round, can't it?  So
very glad to hear Murphy is getting better.  Onward and upward!  Good
positive thoughts for all of you,  Sara


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 10:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy-One week on the Lysine and much improved!!
(after2 weeks of dripping and sneezing)

It's been a rough two weeks with poor Murphy and his drippy and sneezy nose.
He 
got so lethargic and became congested in the nose that by mid-week he wasn't

eating much. I started him last Sunday on the Lysine. He will not eat
anything 
with Lysine added, nor will he go near those expensive Lysine treats that I 
bought at the vet's office. I didn't try it in the water because I have
water 
all over the house 2-3 dishes for him and Rosie and also a 5 gallon water 
dispenser for the 3 Australian Shepherds that co-rule our home. The cats
drink 
out of it also. I put the powdered Lysine into the #3 gel caps that I get
from 
my vet. I think I went overboard the first day-gave him 2 in the AM and 1 in
the 
PM-u oo-he had the runs the next day-poor boy was dripping outta
both 
ends. Not a fun clean up when you have a fluffy cat!! I called the vet and
they 
said I could try saline spray and/or a mild Afrin spray for his nose-steam
(he 
already perches on the toilet seat every night while I shower, so I turned
the 
fan off to keep the steam in the room). So then I disassembled all the gel 
caps-one had doxy and cypro and the other had the lasix and pred. I filled
all 
the empty space in the caps with Lysine and reassembled them. So maybe he
was 
getting 3/4 to a whole caps worth of Lysine 2x a day. On Thursday I gave him
his 
LTCI and Procrit injections-he's once a week on each. He was still sleeping
alot 
Friday, but his nose was less drippy and he seemed brighter. Today he is 
following me all around the house and is more involved and talking again. 
Oh-another thing I tried, on Wednesday I diluted some Afrin nasal spray with
2 
parts saline spray and gave him a few squirts into the snoot- He went into 4

wheel drive trying to escape! He was not a happy kitty at all, so it may
have 
helped for a short while, I only did it once. Thank goodness he is such a 
forgiving soul. He is feeling much better today, hardly any sneezing and
barely 
any drips. He was jabbering away in the kitchen this morning, sitting on his

little throne (I have a little plastic step cuz I'm short. It's in the
corner of 
the kitchen and he claims it as his throne.) He wouldn't shut up until he
and 
Rosie got their 1cc of Interferon and he got his meds, 3 capsules. He sits
and 
waits for them, then when that's done, he expects fresh wet food!
Anyway-that's 
our little update-I am a believer in the Lysine now, but it takes a little
time 
to knock out the Herpes virus that we think flares up whenever his immune
system 
is low. Doe anyone know how long he can be on it?   Alice  (Rosie and Murphy

too!)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-One week on the Lysine and much improved!! (after2 weeks of dripping and sneezing)

[Bonnie Hogue]

Alice
I just took Lucky to the vet this morning.  The vet prescribed L-Lysine for 
his food 2x daily.  Today, the vet said he could just keep taking that 
indefinitely as it won't hurt anything.  So I'm planning on giving it to 
him long term.


Glad to hear Murphy is better.  Best of luck to you both.

~Bonnie
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 10:05 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy-One week on the Lysine and much improved!! 
(after2 weeks of dripping and sneezing)



It's been a rough two weeks with poor Murphy and his drippy and sneezy 
nose. He
got so lethargic and became congested in the nose that by mid-week he 
wasn't
eating much. I started him last Sunday on the Lysine. He will not eat 
anything
with Lysine added, nor will he go near those expensive Lysine treats that 
I
bought at the vet's office. I didn't try it in the water because I have 
water

all over the house 2-3 dishes for him and Rosie and also a 5 gallon water
dispenser for the 3 Australian Shepherds that co-rule our home. The cats 
drink
out of it also. I put the powdered Lysine into the #3 gel caps that I get 
from
my vet. I think I went overboard the first day-gave him 2 in the AM and 1 
in the
PM-u oo-he had the runs the next day-poor boy was dripping outta 
both
ends. Not a fun clean up when you have a fluffy cat!! I called the vet and 
they
said I could try saline spray and/or a mild Afrin spray for his nose-steam 
(he
already perches on the toilet seat every night while I shower, so I turned 
the

fan off to keep the steam in the room). So then I disassembled all the gel
caps-one had doxy and cypro and the other had the lasix and pred. I filled 
all
the empty space in the caps with Lysine and reassembled them. So maybe he 
was
getting 3/4 to a whole caps worth of Lysine 2x a day. On Thursday I gave 
him his
LTCI and Procrit injections-he's once a week on each. He was still 
sleeping alot

Friday, but his nose was less drippy and he seemed brighter. Today he is
following me all around the house and is more involved and talking again.
Oh-another thing I tried, on Wednesday I diluted some Afrin nasal spray 
with 2
parts saline spray and gave him a few squirts into the snoot- He went into 
4
wheel drive trying to escape! He was not a happy kitty at all, so it may 
have

helped for a short while, I only did it once. Thank goodness he is such a
forgiving soul. He is feeling much better today, hardly any sneezing and 
barely
any drips. He was jabbering away in the kitchen this morning, sitting on 
his
little throne (I have a little plastic step cuz I'm short. It's in the 
corner of
the kitchen and he claims it as his throne.) He wouldn't shut up until he 
and
Rosie got their 1cc of Interferon and he got his meds, 3 capsules. He sits 
and
waits for them, then when that's done, he expects fresh wet food! 
Anyway-that's
our little update-I am a believer in the Lysine now, but it takes a little 
time
to knock out the Herpes virus that we think flares up whenever his immune 
system
is low. Doe anyone know how long he can be on it?   Alice  (Rosie and 
Murphy

too!)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-One week on the Lysine and much improved!! (after 2 weeks of dripping and sneezing)

[Beth]

Yeah Murphy
My cats claim my step stool in the kitchen, too:)

Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   

--- On Mon, 10/18/10, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy-One week on the Lysine and much improved!! (after 2 
weeks of dripping and sneezing)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, October 18, 2010, 1:05 AM

It's been a rough two weeks with poor Murphy and his drippy and sneezy nose. He 
got so lethargic and became congested in the nose that by mid-week he wasn't 
eating much. I started him last Sunday on the Lysine. He will not eat anything 
with Lysine added, nor will he go near those expensive Lysine treats that I 
bought at the vet's office. I didn't try it in the water because I have water 
all over the house 2-3 dishes for him and Rosie and also a 5 gallon water 
dispenser for the 3 Australian Shepherds that co-rule our home. The cats drink 
out of it also. I put the powdered Lysine into the #3 gel caps that I get from 
my vet. I think I went overboard the first day-gave him 2 in the AM and 1 in 
the 
PM-u oo-he had the runs the next day-poor boy was dripping outta both 
ends. Not a fun clean up when you have a fluffy cat!! I called the vet and they 
said I could try saline spray and/or a mild Afrin spray for his nose-steam (he 
already perches on the toilet seat every night while I shower, so I turned the 
fan off to keep the steam in the room). So then I disassembled all the gel 
caps-one had doxy and cypro and the other had the lasix and pred. I filled all 
the empty space in the caps with Lysine and reassembled them. So maybe he was 
getting 3/4 to a whole caps worth of Lysine 2x a day. On Thursday I gave him 
his 
LTCI and Procrit injections-he's once a week on each. He was still sleeping 
alot 
Friday, but his nose was less drippy and he seemed brighter. Today he is 
following me all around the house and is more involved and talking again. 
Oh-another thing I tried, on Wednesday I diluted some Afrin nasal spray with 2 
parts saline spray and gave him a few squirts into the snoot- He went into 4 
wheel drive trying to escape! He was not a happy kitty at all, so it may have 
helped for a short while, I only did it once. Thank goodness he is such a 
forgiving soul. He is feeling much better today, hardly any sneezing and barely 
any drips. He was jabbering away in the kitchen this morning, sitting on his 
little throne (I have a little plastic step cuz I'm short. It's in the corner 
of 
the kitchen and he claims it as his throne.) He wouldn't shut up until he and 
Rosie got their 1cc of Interferon and he got his meds, 3 capsules. He sits and 
waits for them, then when that's done, he expects fresh wet food! Anyway-that's 
our little update-I am a believer in the Lysine now, but it takes a little time 
to knock out the Herpes virus that we think flares up whenever his immune 
system 
is low. Doe anyone know how long he can be on it?   Alice  (Rosie and Murphy 
too!)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-One week on the Lysine and much improved!! (after2 weeks of dripping and sneezing)

[Laurieskatz]

Alice, you are such a good mom.
:-)
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky


- Original Message - 
From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 10:05 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy-One week on the Lysine and much improved!! 
(after2 weeks of dripping and sneezing)


 It's been a rough two weeks with poor Murphy and his drippy and sneezy 
 nose. He
 got so lethargic and became congested in the nose that by mid-week he 
 wasn't
 eating much. I started him last Sunday on the Lysine. He will not eat 
 anything
 with Lysine added, nor will he go near those expensive Lysine treats that 
 I
 bought at the vet's office. I didn't try it in the water because I have 
 water
 all over the house 2-3 dishes for him and Rosie and also a 5 gallon water
 dispenser for the 3 Australian Shepherds that co-rule our home. The cats 
 drink
 out of it also. I put the powdered Lysine into the #3 gel caps that I get 
 from
 my vet. I think I went overboard the first day-gave him 2 in the AM and 1 
 in the
 PM-u oo-he had the runs the next day-poor boy was dripping outta 
 both
 ends. Not a fun clean up when you have a fluffy cat!! I called the vet and

 they
 said I could try saline spray and/or a mild Afrin spray for his nose-steam

 (he
 already perches on the toilet seat every night while I shower, so I turned

 the
 fan off to keep the steam in the room). So then I disassembled all the gel
 caps-one had doxy and cypro and the other had the lasix and pred. I filled

 all
 the empty space in the caps with Lysine and reassembled them. So maybe he 
 was
 getting 3/4 to a whole caps worth of Lysine 2x a day. On Thursday I gave 
 him his
 LTCI and Procrit injections-he's once a week on each. He was still 
 sleeping alot
 Friday, but his nose was less drippy and he seemed brighter. Today he is
 following me all around the house and is more involved and talking again.
 Oh-another thing I tried, on Wednesday I diluted some Afrin nasal spray 
 with 2
 parts saline spray and gave him a few squirts into the snoot- He went into

 4
 wheel drive trying to escape! He was not a happy kitty at all, so it may 
 have
 helped for a short while, I only did it once. Thank goodness he is such a
 forgiving soul. He is feeling much better today, hardly any sneezing and 
 barely
 any drips. He was jabbering away in the kitchen this morning, sitting on 
 his
 little throne (I have a little plastic step cuz I'm short. It's in the 
 corner of
 the kitchen and he claims it as his throne.) He wouldn't shut up until he 
 and
 Rosie got their 1cc of Interferon and he got his meds, 3 capsules. He sits

 and
 waits for them, then when that's done, he expects fresh wet food! 
 Anyway-that's
 our little update-I am a believer in the Lysine now, but it takes a little

 time
 to knock out the Herpes virus that we think flares up whenever his immune 
 system
 is low. Doe anyone know how long he can be on it?   Alice  (Rosie and 
 Murphy
 too!)
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[Felvtalk] Murphy-One week on the Lysine and much improved!! (after 2 weeks of dripping and sneezing)

[Alice Flowers]

It's been a rough two weeks with poor Murphy and his drippy and sneezy nose. He 
got so lethargic and became congested in the nose that by mid-week he wasn't 
eating much. I started him last Sunday on the Lysine. He will not eat anything 
with Lysine added, nor will he go near those expensive Lysine treats that I 
bought at the vet's office. I didn't try it in the water because I have water 
all over the house 2-3 dishes for him and Rosie and also a 5 gallon water 
dispenser for the 3 Australian Shepherds that co-rule our home. The cats drink 
out of it also. I put the powdered Lysine into the #3 gel caps that I get from 
my vet. I think I went overboard the first day-gave him 2 in the AM and 1 in 
the 
PM-u oo-he had the runs the next day-poor boy was dripping outta both 
ends. Not a fun clean up when you have a fluffy cat!! I called the vet and they 
said I could try saline spray and/or a mild Afrin spray for his nose-steam (he 
already perches on the toilet seat every night while I shower, so I turned the 
fan off to keep the steam in the room). So then I disassembled all the gel 
caps-one had doxy and cypro and the other had the lasix and pred. I filled all 
the empty space in the caps with Lysine and reassembled them. So maybe he was 
getting 3/4 to a whole caps worth of Lysine 2x a day. On Thursday I gave him 
his 
LTCI and Procrit injections-he's once a week on each. He was still sleeping 
alot 
Friday, but his nose was less drippy and he seemed brighter. Today he is 
following me all around the house and is more involved and talking again. 
Oh-another thing I tried, on Wednesday I diluted some Afrin nasal spray with 2 
parts saline spray and gave him a few squirts into the snoot- He went into 4 
wheel drive trying to escape! He was not a happy kitty at all, so it may have 
helped for a short while, I only did it once. Thank goodness he is such a 
forgiving soul. He is feeling much better today, hardly any sneezing and barely 
any drips. He was jabbering away in the kitchen this morning, sitting on his 
little throne (I have a little plastic step cuz I'm short. It's in the corner 
of 
the kitchen and he claims it as his throne.) He wouldn't shut up until he and 
Rosie got their 1cc of Interferon and he got his meds, 3 capsules. He sits and 
waits for them, then when that's done, he expects fresh wet food! Anyway-that's 
our little update-I am a believer in the Lysine now, but it takes a little time 
to knock out the Herpes virus that we think flares up whenever his immune 
system 
is low. Doe anyone know how long he can be on it?   Alice  (Rosie and Murphy 
too!)
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Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

[Tracey Shrout]

Bonnie, I have been using L-Lysine for almost 2 years now with absolutely no
problem. I also buy the 1 lb. container online, about $10-14 (very cheap),
it's the Now brand. Just do a search for it. It's the powder form,
pharmaceutical grade and I put 1/8 tsp in wet food daily (which is about 250
mg). My cat has never had a problem with this. This container lasts a very
long time.

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:

 Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a
 tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and
 we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food.  Poor guy vomited it
 right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes!
 So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab
 (about 250 mg)?
 Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine?  Ideas?
 Thanks!
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Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

[Bonnie Hogue]

Tracey
Thanks for the tip.  I will look for that.  I imagine Lucky will be on 
L-Lysine for a while.  It seems to be helping his eye a little bit.

I appreciate your input!
- Original Message - 
From: Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction


Bonnie, I have been using L-Lysine for almost 2 years now with absolutely 
no

problem. I also buy the 1 lb. container online, about $10-14 (very cheap),
it's the Now brand. Just do a search for it. It's the powder form,
pharmaceutical grade and I put 1/8 tsp in wet food daily (which is about 
250

mg). My cat has never had a problem with this. This container lasts a very
long time.

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:


Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a
tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here 
and
we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food.  Poor guy vomited 
it

right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes!
So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab
(about 250 mg)?
Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine?  Ideas?
Thanks!
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Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

[Gloria Lane]

Might add the lysine to chicken broth and syringe it. Or add to food. It can 
taste pretty yukky just plain. 

Gloria

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On Oct 16, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bonnie, I have been using L-Lysine for almost 2 years now with absolutely no
 problem. I also buy the 1 lb. container online, about $10-14 (very cheap),
 it's the Now brand. Just do a search for it. It's the powder form,
 pharmaceutical grade and I put 1/8 tsp in wet food daily (which is about 250
 mg). My cat has never had a problem with this. This container lasts a very
 long time.
 
 On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:
 
 Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a
 tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and
 we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food.  Poor guy vomited it
 right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes!
 So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab
 (about 250 mg)?
 Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine?  Ideas?
 Thanks!
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Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

[Cougar Clan]

Check amazon and http://www.omahavaccine.com/first_time_customer.asp  
for better prices.

On Oct 13, 2010, at 10:24 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

I called the vet and picked up a tube of this gel today.  It is  
expensive (over $21 a tube!) but he ate it tonight with no negative  
reaction.  So that's done!
- Original Message - From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com 


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction


HI, It might have been to much,or not mixed enough. My vet has a  
tube,Varalys,oral gel for cats.Each 1.25 ml contains 250mg of L- 
lysineHCI in a highly palatable base. I copied that from the  
tube.CAthy--- On Mon, 10/11/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:



From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 12:47 PM


I believe that L-Lysine is available in liquid form.maybe that  
would

work better?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie  
Hogue

Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I  
crushed a
tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was  
here and
we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food. Poor guy  
vomited it

right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes!
So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a  
tab (about

250 mg)?
Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine? Ideas?
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Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

[Bonnie Hogue]

I called the vet and picked up a tube of this gel today.  It is expensive 
(over $21 a tube!) but he ate it tonight with no negative reaction.  So 
that's done!
- Original Message - 
From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction


HI, It might have been to much,or not mixed enough. My vet has a 
tube,Varalys,oral gel for cats.Each 1.25 ml contains 250mg of L-lysineHCI 
in a highly palatable base. I copied that from the tube.CAthy--- On Mon, 
10/11/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:



From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 12:47 PM


I believe that L-Lysine is available in liquid form.maybe that would
work better?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a
tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and
we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food. Poor guy vomited 
it

right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes!
So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab 
(about

250 mg)?
Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine? Ideas?
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[Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

[Bonnie Hogue]

Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a 
tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and we 
had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food.  Poor guy vomited it right 
up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes!
So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab (about 
250 mg)?
Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine?  Ideas?
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Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

[Natalie]

I believe that L-Lysine is available in liquid form.maybe that would
work better?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a
tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and
we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food.  Poor guy vomited it
right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes!
So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab (about
250 mg)?
Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine?  Ideas?
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Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

[Edna Taylor]

I get mine from the vet's office specificaly for pets and it comes in a paste.
 

 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:47:40 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction
 
 I believe that L-Lysine is available in liquid form.maybe that would
 work better?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
 Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:50 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction
 
 Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a
 tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and
 we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food. Poor guy vomited it
 right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes!
 So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab (about
 250 mg)?
 Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine? Ideas?
 Thanks!
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Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

[Bonnie Hogue]

Have not seen the liquid; will look for it.
Thanks.
- Original Message - 
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction



I believe that L-Lysine is available in liquid form.maybe that would
work better?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a
tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and
we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food.  Poor guy vomited 
it

right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes!
So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab 
(about

250 mg)?
Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine?  Ideas?
Thanks!
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Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

[Bonnie Hogue]

Thanks, Edna.  I'll call the vet.  I am always trying to save a few pennies, 
so I got this at Rite Aide...maybe not the best idea.  Thought the 
ingredients were the same but maybe they buffer it differently for the cat.

Thanks for the suggestion.
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From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com

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Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction




I get mine from the vet's office specificaly for pets and it comes in a 
paste.




Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 12:47:40 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

I believe that L-Lysine is available in liquid form.maybe that would
work better?

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a
tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here 
and
we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food. Poor guy vomited 
it

right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes!
So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab 
(about

250 mg)?
Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine? Ideas?
Thanks!
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Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

[CATHERINE DIDONNA]

HI, It might have been to much,or not mixed enough. My vet has a 
tube,Varalys,oral gel for cats.Each 1.25 ml contains 250mg of L-lysineHCI in a 
highly palatable base. I copied that from the tube.CAthy--- On Mon, 10/11/10, 
Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 12:47 PM


I believe that L-Lysine is available in liquid form.maybe that would
work better?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a
tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and
we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food.  Poor guy vomited it
right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes!
So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab (about
250 mg)?
Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine?  Ideas?
Thanks!
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Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

[Natalie]

http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=L-Lysine+-+liquid+form - on
this, I see that Puritan and Solgar among others, carry the liquid form of
lysine.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of CATHERINE DIDONNA
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 2:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

HI, It might have been to much,or not mixed enough. My vet has a
tube,Varalys,oral gel for cats.Each 1.25 ml contains 250mg of L-lysineHCI in
a highly palatable base. I copied that from the tube.CAthy--- On Mon,
10/11/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 12:47 PM


I believe that L-Lysine is available in liquid form.maybe that would
work better?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a
tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and
we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food.  Poor guy vomited it
right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes!
So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab (about
250 mg)?
Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine?  Ideas?
Thanks!
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Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

[Sharyl]

Bonnie, I don't know what buffers are used with the tablets.  I buy the pure 
L-lysine powder from www.iHerbs.com.  That way I don't have to worry about 
reactions to buffering agents.  It comes in a 1 lb jar.  I use 1/4 tsp (250 mg) 
per qt. of water or per one 5.5 oz can of food.
Sharyl  

--- On Mon, 10/11/10, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:

 From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
 Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 11:50 AM
 Have been reading lately on here
 about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a tablet very well (I
 have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and we
 had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food. 
 Poor guy vomited it right up -- I mean, back into the feed
 dishes!
 So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to
 half a tab (about 250 mg)?
 Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to
 L-Lysine?  Ideas?
 Thanks!
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Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

[Heather]

I just bought Lysine treats from my vet, I had heard some cats hated them
but have had pretty good luck so far--though they need to eat many so might
get tired of them quickly, and, they are expensive, $20 a pouch.

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Bonnie, I don't know what buffers are used with the tablets.  I buy the
 pure L-lysine powder from www.iHerbs.com http://www.iherbs.com/.  That
 way I don't have to worry about reactions to buffering agents.  It comes in
 a 1 lb jar.  I use 1/4 tsp (250 mg) per qt. of water or per one 5.5 oz can
 of food.
 Sharyl

 --- On Mon, 10/11/10, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:

  From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
  Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 11:50 AM
   Have been reading lately on here
  about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a tablet very well (I
  have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and we
  had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food.
  Poor guy vomited it right up -- I mean, back into the feed
  dishes!
  So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to
  half a tab (about 250 mg)?
  Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to
  L-Lysine?  Ideas?
  Thanks!
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Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

[create_me_new]

I use the Viralys too. It is easy to syringe  give. I use for my cat with 
Stomatitis.
Beth
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:03:49 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

HI, It might have been to much,or not mixed enough. My vet has a 
tube,Varalys,oral gel for cats.Each 1.25 ml contains 250mg of L-lysineHCI in a 
highly palatable base. I copied that from the tube.CAthy--- On Mon, 10/11/10, 
Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 12:47 PM


I believe that L-Lysine is available in liquid form.maybe that would
work better?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a
tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and
we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food.  Poor guy vomited it
right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes!
So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab (about
250 mg)?
Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine?  Ideas?
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Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

[Laurieskatz]

I sprinkle the viralys powder on canned food.
It seems finer consistency than crushed L Lysine tablets.

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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I use the Viralys too. It is easy to syringe  give. I use for my cat with
Stomatitis.
Beth
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:03:49 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

HI, It might have been to much,or not mixed enough. My vet has a
tube,Varalys,oral gel for cats.Each 1.25 ml contains 250mg of L-lysineHCI in
a highly palatable base. I copied that from the tube.CAthy--- On Mon,
10/11/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 12:47 PM


I believe that L-Lysine is available in liquid form.maybe that would
work better?

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a
tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and
we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food.  Poor guy vomited it
right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes!
So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab (about
250 mg)?
Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine?  Ideas?
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[Felvtalk] L-Lysine offer

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

I have some 500 mg L-lysine tablets that I bought from GNC when Patches came
to us.  Never got to give more than a couple, and this bottle of L-lysine
has been sitting on the counter haunting me all this time.  No additives.
There were originally 250 tablets, most of which are still in the bottle,
and the expiration date is 3/10.  If anybody would like these I'll be happy
to donate them.  First come first served, send me a mailing address and I'll
send them to you.;-)

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Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine offer

[TatorBunz]

 
 
I could certainly use them for my rescues.
Thanks!
 
Tazzys Siamese Rescue
PO BOX 123
Startup, WA. 98293
 
In a message dated 5/26/2009 10:02:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
drosenfe...@wi.rr.com writes:

I have  some 500 mg L-lysine tablets that I bought from GNC when Patches 
came
to  us.  Never got to give more than a couple, and this bottle of  L-lysine
has been sitting on the counter haunting me all this time.   No additives.
There were originally 250 tablets, most of which are still in  the bottle,
and the expiration date is 3/10.  If anybody would like  these I'll be happy
to donate them.  First come first served, send me  a mailing address and 
I'll
send them to you.;-)

Diane R.  








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Re: [Felvtalk] forms of lysine

[Frank and Sue Koren]

I purchase the lysine that the shelter I volunteer for uses from 
Purebulk.com
If you key in Pet Rescue when you are ordering from them you get a 20% 
discount.

Sue

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The one I use is a powder, bought from my vet, that I sprinkle on food.

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[Felvtalk] forms of lysine

[MaryChristine]

 this is an exceptionally expensive way to give a cat its lysine.

 the usually recommended dosage is between 250 and 1000 mg/day; there is
 currently ongoing research being done to come up with the absolutely
 accurate dosage in cats.

 but you can just go on-line, or to your nearest health food store, and buy
 the pure, unadulterated, unflavored l-lysine powder by the pound. NOW brand
 is a well-known, good one, tho i'm sure there are others. buying it this
 way, or in capsules just validates a packaging-mad wasteful, oh, never mind.
 save your money and spend in on something the cats really will
 appreciate--like high-quality treats.

 MC

 On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:41 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 on the L-Lysine, my vet ordered an oral paste for me.  no one is sick
 right now,


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Re: [Felvtalk] forms of lysine

[Southernes]

The one I use is a powder, bought from my vet, that I sprinkle on food.  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement

[dlgegg]

you used my favorite word, ammeliorating.  first job i had as secretary, my 
boss dictated a letter and he held the mic so close to his mustache, that i 
wasn't sure where to look in the dictionary to find it.  i have never forgotten 
this word.  dorlis
 patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: 
 My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he was 
 aware of only one
 controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes.  He said that the 
 study showed that
 L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but that 
 it had absolutely no
 effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks.  Apparently these are not 
 the same results
 that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on 
 continuing outbreaks.
 
 I know that many many people believe that they have seen results with its 
 use in cats however
 in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak.
 
 
 L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective 
 against
 herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny eyes) by
 suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to replicate.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement

[MaryChristine]

seems odd that it should be so widely used in veterinary medicine if there
is only one study published.

anyone on the fanciers health list? i know it's been spoken of often there,
and i know that a number of years back, one of the california vet assns
recommended that ALL cats, symptomatic or not, be given lysine as a
supplement.

and i think that everyone on this list knows not to take everything a vet
says, no matter how well-meaning they may, as the final word. or most of us
would have killed our FeLVs upon the first ELISSA result. just talked with
someone last weekend who was worried about her FIP-exposed cats

in a sanctuary setting, where we tried many many supplements and alternative
treatments, as well as standard ones, the one that was ABSOLUTELY EFFECTIVE
was the addition of lysine. anecdotal? of course.





On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.netwrote:

 Interesting - we should look around for studies (in our spare time lol).
  One study does not the truth make, just becomes an invitation for another
 study. But that's very interesting.

 Let's see - I think the Herpes virus is supposed to feed on L-Arginine, so
 increasing the ration of L-Lysine to L-Arginine is supposed to lessen the
 Herpes virus. So does seem to make sense.  Seems to work for my cats.

 Gloria




 On Feb 9, 2009, at 10:32 AM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote:

  My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he was
 aware of only one
 controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes.  He said that the
 study showed that
 L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but that
 it had absolutely no
 effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks.  Apparently these are not
 the same results
 that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on
 continuing outbreaks.

 I know that many many people believe that they have seen results with its
 use in cats however
 in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak.


  L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective

 against

 herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny eyes) by
 suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to replicate.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement

[wendy]

I have personally witnessed Lysine clear up a corneal ulcer in my kitten that 
the meds the vet prescribed would not clear up.  She was off all other meds, on 
the lysine for 10-14 days, and it started going away.  Thank God because she'd 
already lost one eye to an ulcer before I adopted her.  I assume, but can't 
say, that both ulcers were most likely caused by the herpes virus.  

Plus, lysine is an amino acid and does boost the immune system (or at the very 
least maintains it) in the way it operates in the body.  It helps to build 
proteins, etc., as well as keep viruses from replicating.  This is what I wrote 
back in August regarding this issue:

There are 20 (or 21 depending on the source) different amino acids in our 
bodies.  One of them is L-lysine.  All cells in every organism (plants, 
animals, etc.) use these amino acids to make proteins.  A single antibody 
molecule (PART OF THE IMMUNE SYSTEM) contains about 1,400 amino acids+.  If our 
bodies are low in lysine (and remember, our bodies CANNOT make lysine {but 
plants can}), then a reduction in lysine would = a lowered immune system 
because the chain of proteins that make up the antibody molecules is weakened.  
Here is an article you can wade through that talks about antibodies: 
http://www.cehs.siu.edu/fix/medmicro/igs.htm  This is why lysine is given to 
people to help recuperate after surgery or injury as it is necessary for tissue 
repair and growth.  It's also necessary in the production of antibodies (used 
by the immune system to seek out and identify bacteria and viruses in our 
bodies).  It's a building block of our very
 cells.  And therefore it IS linked to the immune system, and I would assume, 
immune system boosting if the immune system is weak.  Every health food company 
that sells lysine quips that it is an immune system boosting amino 
acid.  Lysine deficiencies have been shown in HIV patients in Africa, so I 
think that it's possible that even though FeLV is not HIV, it is a virus, 
so maybe our furry friends may also be low in the essential amino acid because 
of the virus.  I don't think the studies have been done on this particular 
issue.  And if anyone knows of any, please post them.  As I said before, I'm 
not a doctor, vet, or scientist.  But I can research, read, and use my common 
sense to make logical inferences.  I don't believe there are any studies to 
show that link lysine to the immune system because, from what I understand, 
it's common knowledge in the science/medical world.  It would be like trying to 
find studies linking blood to the
 heart.

:)
Wendy
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From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:16:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement

I can't comment on the study as I haven't seen it, but lysine is recommended
by many feline opthamologists for the treatment of herpes.  It is also in
the Merck Veterinary Manual.

Also, I have 2 cats with this condition and lysine keeps their eyes clear.
If I stop the lysine the eyes get runny again.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:32 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement

My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he was 
aware of only one
controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes.  He said that the 
study showed that
L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but that 
it had absolutely no
effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks.  Apparently these are not 
the same results
that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on 
continuing outbreaks.

I know that many many people believe that they have seen results with its 
use in cats however
in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak.


L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective 
against
herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny eyes) by
suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to replicate.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement

[Patricia . A . Elkins]

My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he was 
aware of only one
controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes.  He said that the 
study showed that
L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but that 
it had absolutely no
effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks.  Apparently these are not 
the same results
that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on 
continuing outbreaks.

I know that many many people believe that they have seen results with its 
use in cats however
in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak.


L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective 
against
herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny eyes) by
suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to replicate.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement

[Gloria B. Lane]

Interesting - we should look around for studies (in our spare time  
lol).  One study does not the truth make, just becomes an invitation  
for another study. But that's very interesting.


Let's see - I think the Herpes virus is supposed to feed on L- 
Arginine, so increasing the ration of L-Lysine to L-Arginine is  
supposed to lessen the Herpes virus. So does seem to make sense.   
Seems to work for my cats.


Gloria



On Feb 9, 2009, at 10:32 AM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote:

My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he  
was

aware of only one
controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes.  He said that  
the

study showed that
L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but  
that

it had absolutely no
effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks.  Apparently these are  
not

the same results
that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on
continuing outbreaks.

I know that many many people believe that they have seen results  
with its

use in cats however
in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak.



L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective

against
herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny  
eyes) by
suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to  
replicate.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement

[Jane Lyons]

I would bet on l-lycine. I tried everything that my allopathic vet  
recommended to get rid of a really bad upper
respiratory. I cannot remember the antibiotics she tried but nothing  
worked. Someone on this list
recommended l-lycine and although it took several weeks, it did work.  
I also think that the supplements that
I used worked as well. Since I was not using drugs or pharmaceuticals  
of any kind, I cannot imagine how
MeMe recovered from many severe symptoms if the supplements were not  
improving or supporting her immune

system.
Jane


On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote:

Interesting - we should look around for studies (in our spare time  
lol).  One study does not the truth make, just becomes an  
invitation for another study. But that's very interesting.


Let's see - I think the Herpes virus is supposed to feed on L- 
Arginine, so increasing the ration of L-Lysine to L-Arginine is  
supposed to lessen the Herpes virus. So does seem to make sense.   
Seems to work for my cats.


Gloria



On Feb 9, 2009, at 10:32 AM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote:

My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that  
he was

aware of only one
controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes.  He said  
that the

study showed that
L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection  
but that

it had absolutely no
effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks.  Apparently these  
are not

the same results
that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on
continuing outbreaks.

I know that many many people believe that they have seen results  
with its

use in cats however
in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak.



L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective

against
herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny  
eyes) by
suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to  
replicate.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement

[Laurieskatz]

Works for mine.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 11:08 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement

Interesting - we should look around for studies (in our spare time  
lol).  One study does not the truth make, just becomes an invitation  
for another study. But that's very interesting.

Let's see - I think the Herpes virus is supposed to feed on L- 
Arginine, so increasing the ration of L-Lysine to L-Arginine is  
supposed to lessen the Herpes virus. So does seem to make sense.   
Seems to work for my cats.

Gloria



On Feb 9, 2009, at 10:32 AM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote:

 My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he  
 was
 aware of only one
 controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes.  He said that  
 the
 study showed that
 L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but  
 that
 it had absolutely no
 effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks.  Apparently these are  
 not
 the same results
 that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on
 continuing outbreaks.

 I know that many many people believe that they have seen results  
 with its
 use in cats however
 in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak.


 L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective
 against
 herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny  
 eyes) by
 suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to  
 replicate.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement

[gary]

I can't comment on the study as I haven't seen it, but lysine is recommended
by many feline opthamologists for the treatment of herpes.  It is also in
the Merck Veterinary Manual.

Also, I have 2 cats with this condition and lysine keeps their eyes clear.
If I stop the lysine the eyes get runny again.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:32 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine as a supplement

My vet opthamologist here in Philly, Dr. Glickstein, told me that he was 
aware of only one
controlled study on the effects of L-lysine on herpes.  He said that the 
study showed that
L-lysine did keep cats from getting their first herpes infection but that 
it had absolutely no
effect on subsequent infections or outbreaks.  Apparently these are not 
the same results
that are seen in human trials where it is belived to be effective on 
continuing outbreaks.

I know that many many people believe that they have seen results with its 
use in cats however
in ammeliorating a herpes outbreak.


L-lysine is not a general immune booster, it is primarily effective 
against
herpes virus (which sometimes causes URI like symptoms and runny eyes) by
suppressing the L-arginine that herpes virus needs in order to replicate.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine and immune system boosting: my view

[wendy]

Hi Gary and all,
I want to explain why I believe lysine to be an immune system booster so maybe 
we can stop going back and forth on the issue:
There are 20 (or 21 depending on the source) different amino acids in our 
bodies.  One of them is L-lysine.  All cells in every organism (plants, 
animals, etc.) use these amino acids to make proteins.  A single antibody 
molecule (PART OF THE IMMUNE SYSTEM) contains about 1,400 amino acids+.  If our 
bodies are low in lysine (and remember, our bodies CANNOT make lysine {but 
plants can}), then a reduction in lysine would = a lowered immune system 
because the chain of proteins that make up the antibody molecules is weakened.  
Here is an article you can wade through that talks about antibodies: 
http://www.cehs.siu.edu/fix/medmicro/igs.htm  This is why lysine is given to 
people to help recuperate after surgery or injury as it is necessary for tissue 
repair and growth.  It's also necessary in the production of antibodies (used 
by the immune system to seek out and identify bacteria and viruses in our 
bodies).  It's a building block of our very cells. 
 And therefore it IS linked to the immune system, and I would assume, immune 
system boosting if the immune system is weak.  Every health food company that 
sells lysine quips that it is an immune system boosting amino acid.  Lysine 
deficiencies have been shown in HIV patients in Africa, so I think that it's 
possible that even though FeLV is not HIV, it is a virus, so maybe our furry 
friends may also be low in the essential amino acid because of the virus.  I 
don't think the studies have been done on this particular issue.  And if anyone 
knows of any, please post them.  As I said before, I'm not a doctor, vet, or 
scientist.  But I can research, read, and use my common sense to make logical 
inferences.  I don't believe there are any studies to show that link lysine to 
the immune system because, from what I understand, it's common knowledge in the 
science/medical world.  It would be like trying to find studies linking blood 
to the heart.
If someone here is a biomedical student, doctor, expert researcher, etc., and 
you do not agree with what I've written above, please explain to me why this is 
not true.  I absolutely welcome respectful discourse on this matter.
And I want to say that regardless of whether I am wrong on this, pure lysine 
cannot be overdosed (because like Vitamin C, it's water-soluble), and is all 
natural, so is not bad for cats.  All it can do is help.
Thanks!
:)
Wendy
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- Original Message 
From: gary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:52:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New Here

I have recently heard that l-lysine is only effective against the herpes 
virus because it reduces the amount of l-arginine that the herpes virus 
needs in order to replicate.

Supposedly, there is no evidence that l-lysine is a general immune booster. 
I know that many people give it as a supplement and it is well tolerated by 
cats so there is no harm in giving it.  If anyone knows of a study that 
shows l-lysine is a general immune booster, please give me the link, I would 
be very interested in reading about it.

Thanks,

Gary

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Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New Here


 Welcome to the group Jody! So glad you hear your kitties are healthy! I 
 feed mine Innova Evo. I would also suggest pure L-Lysine as a supplement. 
 It's an immune system booster, comes in a tasteless powder form, and is 
 easy to mix into wet food.
 :)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine and immune system boosting: my view

[Sherry DeHaan]

Hi Wendy, when Maizee was getting chemo treatments they had me giving her 
Lysine also to help her immune system.

--- On Sat, 8/23/08, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine and immune system boosting: my view
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 11:17 AM

Hi Gary and all,
I want to explain why I believe lysine to be an immune system booster so
maybe we can stop going back and forth on the issue:
There are 20 (or 21 depending on the source) different amino acids in our
bodies.  One of them is L-lysine.  All cells in every organism (plants,
animals, etc.) use these amino acids to make proteins.  A single antibody
molecule (PART OF THE IMMUNE SYSTEM) contains about 1,400 amino acids+.  If our
bodies are low in lysine (and remember, our bodies CANNOT make lysine {but
plants can}), then a reduction in lysine would = a lowered immune system because
the chain of proteins that make up the antibody molecules is weakened.  Here is
an article you can wade through that talks about antibodies:
http://www.cehs.siu.edu/fix/medmicro/igs.htm  This is why lysine is given to
people to help recuperate after surgery or injury as it is necessary for tissue
repair and growth.  It's also necessary in the production of antibodies
(used by the immune system to seek out and identify bacteria and viruses in our
bodies).  It's a building block of our very cells. 
 And therefore it IS linked to the immune system, and I would assume, immune
system boosting if the immune system is weak.  Every health food company that
sells lysine quips that it is an immune system boosting amino acid.  Lysine
deficiencies have been shown in HIV patients in Africa, so I think that it's
possible that even though FeLV is not HIV, it is a virus, so maybe our furry
friends may also be low in the essential amino acid because of the virus.  I
don't think the studies have been done on this particular issue.  And if
anyone knows of any, please post them.  As I said before, I'm not a doctor,
vet, or scientist.  But I can research, read, and use my common sense to make
logical inferences.  I don't believe there are any studies to show that
link lysine to the immune system because, from what I understand, it's
common knowledge in the science/medical world.  It would be like trying to find
studies linking blood to the heart.
If someone here is a biomedical student, doctor, expert researcher, etc., and
you do not agree with what I've written above, please explain to me why
this is not true.  I absolutely welcome respectful discourse on this matter.
And I want to say that regardless of whether I am wrong on this, pure lysine
cannot be overdosed (because like Vitamin C, it's water-soluble), and is all
natural, so is not bad for cats.  All it can do is help.
Thanks!
:)
Wendy
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change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~
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- Original Message 
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Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:52:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New Here

I have recently heard that l-lysine is only effective against the herpes 
virus because it reduces the amount of l-arginine that the herpes virus 
needs in order to replicate.

Supposedly, there is no evidence that l-lysine is a general immune booster. 
I know that many people give it as a supplement and it is well tolerated by 
cats so there is no harm in giving it.  If anyone knows of a study that 
shows l-lysine is a general immune booster, please give me the link, I would 
be very interested in reading about it.

Thanks,

Gary

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Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New Here


 Welcome to the group Jody! So glad you hear your kitties are healthy! I 
 feed mine Innova Evo. I would also suggest pure L-Lysine as a supplement. 
 It's an immune system booster, comes in a tasteless powder form, and
is 
 easy to mix into wet food.
 :)
 Wendy


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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food?

[wendy]

I think maintenance is 250 mg once or twice a day.  500 mg once or twice a day 
for symptomatic kitties.  I would double-check this though in the archives or 
elsewhere.
:)
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food?


My felv+ foster Manny is going to his new home tonight (with lots of 
instructions, favorite toys, and probably some lingering anxiety from me!).  
Manny has been a finnicky canned food eater ever since I've had him- which has 
sucked b/c that is how I like to get supplements in him like lysine and added 
water.  But he loves loves loves the Eagle Pack Holistic Dry (which I have all 
my fosters on)--  LOVES IT.  As much I would like to convert all my cats to all 
canned- they just love their Eagle Pack dry too much.  And they have the most 
awesome coats- I get compliments on my fosters all the time- how good they 
look, none are fat, no dander, shiny, soft coats-- thus, I am very happy with 
the Holistic.  But all my fosters also get Holistic canned everyday, with water 
and supplements added, so I am sure that helps keeping them look great too.  
Manny will occasionally eat the Holistic canned, but he won't eat it in back to 
back feedings or two days in a
 row (he's nutty).  I originally tried to feed him a diet of Wellness canned 
only and he just stopped eating it totally (waste of expensive food)!  That is 
when I switched him to Eagle Pack.  So as far as sending him to his new home 
with feeding and supplment instructions, his new mom says she doesn't want to 
change anything b/c he looks so gorgeous and his coat is so wonderful, so she 
will keep him on the Holistic Dry.  I've asked that she occassionally give him 
some canned Holistic, but warned that he won't eat it 2 days in a row.  

I'd like to send her with instructions to add powdered Lysine to his dry food 
and was wondering if people thought this will work?  I have done it a few times 
with him and he seemed to not notice/care, but it hasn't been my primary way of 
administering lysine b/c I did keep up with giving him canned food every few 
days.  I think it will work tho b/c he loves his Holistic so much, I seriously 
doubt he won't eat it due to the Lysine powder.  Also, what is a good 
maintenance dose?  He is as healthy as a horse, so I just want to provide it to 
them as a preventative measure.  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food?

[Gloria B. Lane]

That's what I've always read.  250-500 mg twice daily (for 1 cat).

Gloria


At 10:34 AM 8/23/2008, wendy wrote:
I think maintenance is 250 mg once or twice a day.  500 mg once or 
twice a day for symptomatic kitties.  I would double-check this 
though in the archives or elsewhere.
:)
Wendy

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- Original Message 
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Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:31:02 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food?


My felv+ foster Manny is going to his new home tonight (with lots of 
instructions, favorite toys, and probably some lingering anxiety 
from me!).  Manny has been a finnicky canned food eater ever since 
I've had him- which has sucked b/c that is how I like to get 
supplements in him like lysine and added water.  But he loves loves 
loves the Eagle Pack Holistic Dry (which I have all my fosters 
on)--  LOVES IT.  As much I would like to convert all my cats to all 
canned- they just love their Eagle Pack dry too much.  And they have 
the most awesome coats- I get compliments on my fosters all the 
time- how good they look, none are fat, no dander, shiny, soft 
coats-- thus, I am very happy with the Holistic.  But all my fosters 
also get Holistic canned everyday, with water and supplements added, 
so I am sure that helps keeping them look great too.  Manny will 
occasionally eat the Holistic canned, but he won't eat it in back to 
back feedings or two days in a
  row (he's nutty).  I originally tried to feed him a diet of 
 Wellness canned only and he just stopped eating it totally (waste 
 of expensive food)!  That is when I switched him to Eagle Pack.  So 
 as far as sending him to his new home with feeding and supplment 
 instructions, his new mom says she doesn't want to change anything 
 b/c he looks so gorgeous and his coat is so wonderful, so she will 
 keep him on the Holistic Dry.  I've asked that she occassionally 
 give him some canned Holistic, but warned that he won't eat it 2 
 days in a row.

I'd like to send her with instructions to add powdered Lysine to his 
dry food and was wondering if people thought this will work?  I have 
done it a few times with him and he seemed to not notice/care, but 
it hasn't been my primary way of administering lysine b/c I did keep 
up with giving him canned food every few days.  I think it will work 
tho b/c he loves his Holistic so much, I seriously doubt he won't 
eat it due to the Lysine powder.  Also, what is a good maintenance 
dose?  He is as healthy as a horse, so I just want to provide it to 
them as a preventative measure.
thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food?

[Gloria B. Lane]

That's what I've always read.  250-500 mg twice daily (for 1 cat).

Gloria


At 10:34 AM 8/23/2008, wendy wrote:
I think maintenance is 250 mg once or twice a day.  500 mg once or 
twice a day for symptomatic kitties.  I would double-check this 
though in the archives or elsewhere.
:)
Wendy

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- Original Message 
From: Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:31:02 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food?


My felv+ foster Manny is going to his new home tonight (with lots of 
instructions, favorite toys, and probably some lingering anxiety 
from me!).  Manny has been a finnicky canned food eater ever since 
I've had him- which has sucked b/c that is how I like to get 
supplements in him like lysine and added water.  But he loves loves 
loves the Eagle Pack Holistic Dry (which I have all my fosters 
on)--  LOVES IT.  As much I would like to convert all my cats to all 
canned- they just love their Eagle Pack dry too much.  And they have 
the most awesome coats- I get compliments on my fosters all the 
time- how good they look, none are fat, no dander, shiny, soft 
coats-- thus, I am very happy with the Holistic.  But all my fosters 
also get Holistic canned everyday, with water and supplements added, 
so I am sure that helps keeping them look great too.  Manny will 
occasionally eat the Holistic canned, but he won't eat it in back to 
back feedings or two days in a
  row (he's nutty).  I originally tried to feed him a diet of 
 Wellness canned only and he just stopped eating it totally (waste 
 of expensive food)!  That is when I switched him to Eagle Pack.  So 
 as far as sending him to his new home with feeding and supplment 
 instructions, his new mom says she doesn't want to change anything 
 b/c he looks so gorgeous and his coat is so wonderful, so she will 
 keep him on the Holistic Dry.  I've asked that she occassionally 
 give him some canned Holistic, but warned that he won't eat it 2 
 days in a row.

I'd like to send her with instructions to add powdered Lysine to his 
dry food and was wondering if people thought this will work?  I have 
done it a few times with him and he seemed to not notice/care, but 
it hasn't been my primary way of administering lysine b/c I did keep 
up with giving him canned food every few days.  I think it will work 
tho b/c he loves his Holistic so much, I seriously doubt he won't 
eat it due to the Lysine powder.  Also, what is a good maintenance 
dose?  He is as healthy as a horse, so I just want to provide it to 
them as a preventative measure.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food?

[Gloria B. Lane]

That's what I've always read.  250-500 mg twice daily (for 1 cat).

Gloria


At 10:34 AM 8/23/2008, wendy wrote:
I think maintenance is 250 mg once or twice a day.  500 mg once or 
twice a day for symptomatic kitties.  I would double-check this 
though in the archives or elsewhere.
:)
Wendy

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- Original Message 
From: Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:31:02 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food?


My felv+ foster Manny is going to his new home tonight (with lots of 
instructions, favorite toys, and probably some lingering anxiety 
from me!).  Manny has been a finnicky canned food eater ever since 
I've had him- which has sucked b/c that is how I like to get 
supplements in him like lysine and added water.  But he loves loves 
loves the Eagle Pack Holistic Dry (which I have all my fosters 
on)--  LOVES IT.  As much I would like to convert all my cats to all 
canned- they just love their Eagle Pack dry too much.  And they have 
the most awesome coats- I get compliments on my fosters all the 
time- how good they look, none are fat, no dander, shiny, soft 
coats-- thus, I am very happy with the Holistic.  But all my fosters 
also get Holistic canned everyday, with water and supplements added, 
so I am sure that helps keeping them look great too.  Manny will 
occasionally eat the Holistic canned, but he won't eat it in back to 
back feedings or two days in a
  row (he's nutty).  I originally tried to feed him a diet of 
 Wellness canned only and he just stopped eating it totally (waste 
 of expensive food)!  That is when I switched him to Eagle Pack.  So 
 as far as sending him to his new home with feeding and supplment 
 instructions, his new mom says she doesn't want to change anything 
 b/c he looks so gorgeous and his coat is so wonderful, so she will 
 keep him on the Holistic Dry.  I've asked that she occassionally 
 give him some canned Holistic, but warned that he won't eat it 2 
 days in a row.

I'd like to send her with instructions to add powdered Lysine to his 
dry food and was wondering if people thought this will work?  I have 
done it a few times with him and he seemed to not notice/care, but 
it hasn't been my primary way of administering lysine b/c I did keep 
up with giving him canned food every few days.  I think it will work 
tho b/c he loves his Holistic so much, I seriously doubt he won't 
eat it due to the Lysine powder.  Also, what is a good maintenance 
dose?  He is as healthy as a horse, so I just want to provide it to 
them as a preventative measure.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food?

[Gloria B. Lane]

That's what I've always read.  250-500 mg twice daily (for 1 cat).

Gloria


At 10:34 AM 8/23/2008, wendy wrote:
I think maintenance is 250 mg once or twice a day.  500 mg once or 
twice a day for symptomatic kitties.  I would double-check this 
though in the archives or elsewhere.
:)
Wendy

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 can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever 
 has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



- Original Message 
From: Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:31:02 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food?


My felv+ foster Manny is going to his new home tonight (with lots of 
instructions, favorite toys, and probably some lingering anxiety 
from me!).  Manny has been a finnicky canned food eater ever since 
I've had him- which has sucked b/c that is how I like to get 
supplements in him like lysine and added water.  But he loves loves 
loves the Eagle Pack Holistic Dry (which I have all my fosters 
on)--  LOVES IT.  As much I would like to convert all my cats to all 
canned- they just love their Eagle Pack dry too much.  And they have 
the most awesome coats- I get compliments on my fosters all the 
time- how good they look, none are fat, no dander, shiny, soft 
coats-- thus, I am very happy with the Holistic.  But all my fosters 
also get Holistic canned everyday, with water and supplements added, 
so I am sure that helps keeping them look great too.  Manny will 
occasionally eat the Holistic canned, but he won't eat it in back to 
back feedings or two days in a
  row (he's nutty).  I originally tried to feed him a diet of 
 Wellness canned only and he just stopped eating it totally (waste 
 of expensive food)!  That is when I switched him to Eagle Pack.  So 
 as far as sending him to his new home with feeding and supplment 
 instructions, his new mom says she doesn't want to change anything 
 b/c he looks so gorgeous and his coat is so wonderful, so she will 
 keep him on the Holistic Dry.  I've asked that she occassionally 
 give him some canned Holistic, but warned that he won't eat it 2 
 days in a row.

I'd like to send her with instructions to add powdered Lysine to his 
dry food and was wondering if people thought this will work?  I have 
done it a few times with him and he seemed to not notice/care, but 
it hasn't been my primary way of administering lysine b/c I did keep 
up with giving him canned food every few days.  I think it will work 
tho b/c he loves his Holistic so much, I seriously doubt he won't 
eat it due to the Lysine powder.  Also, what is a good maintenance 
dose?  He is as healthy as a horse, so I just want to provide it to 
them as a preventative measure.
thanks
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[Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food?

[Caroline Kaufmann]

My felv+ foster Manny is going to his new home tonight (with lots of 
instructions, favorite toys, and probably some lingering anxiety from me!).  
Manny has been a finnicky canned food eater ever since I've had him- which has 
sucked b/c that is how I like to get supplements in him like lysine and added 
water.  But he loves loves loves the Eagle Pack Holistic Dry (which I have all 
my fosters on)--  LOVES IT.  As much I would like to convert all my cats to all 
canned- they just love their Eagle Pack dry too much.  And they have the most 
awesome coats- I get compliments on my fosters all the time- how good they 
look, none are fat, no dander, shiny, soft coats-- thus, I am very happy with 
the Holistic.  But all my fosters also get Holistic canned everyday, with water 
and supplements added, so I am sure that helps keeping them look great too.  
Manny will occasionally eat the Holistic canned, but he won't eat it in back to 
back feedings or two days in a row (he's nutty).  I originally tried to feed 
him a diet of Wellness canned only and he just stopped eating it totally (waste 
of expensive food)!  That is when I switched him to Eagle Pack.  So as far as 
sending him to his new home with feeding and supplment instructions, his new 
mom says she doesn't want to change anything b/c he looks so gorgeous and his 
coat is so wonderful, so she will keep him on the Holistic Dry.  I've asked 
that she occassionally give him some canned Holistic, but warned that he won't 
eat it 2 days in a row.  
 
I'd like to send her with instructions to add powdered Lysine to his dry food 
and was wondering if people thought this will work?  I have done it a few times 
with him and he seemed to not notice/care, but it hasn't been my primary way of 
administering lysine b/c I did keep up with giving him canned food every few 
days.  I think it will work tho b/c he loves his Holistic so much, I seriously 
doubt he won't eat it due to the Lysine powder.  Also, what is a good 
maintenance dose?  He is as healthy as a horse, so I just want to provide it to 
them as a preventative measure.  
thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food?

[Kelley Saveika]

Hi Caroline,

I put the lysine in the water.   I don't know if it will work in dry food or
not.

Kelley


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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food?

[Caroline Kaufmann]

oh you do?  powdered lysine?  okay, I will have them do that.  That seems easy 
enough!  God, I am so excited and also so nervous and yet, so happy for Manny!  
I'm going to miss him.  He's my most gorgeous boy and the most friendly in the 
house, so now I will have no male-model cat to show off to people.  Sigh.
caroline
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 felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry 
 food?  Hi Caroline,  I put the lysine in the water. I don't know if it 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food?

[gary]

He will probably eat it ok but if he doesn't, just dissolve it in a little 
bit of water and put it on the dry food.  If he will eat the dry food 
without it, he will eat it with dissolved lysine, at least I have never had 
one refuse to eat it.  Some of mine did refuse to eat it before I dissolved 
it.

Gary

- Original Message - 
From: Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 1:31 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lysine added to dry food?



 My felv+ foster Manny is going to his new home tonight (with lots of 
 instructions, favorite toys, and probably some lingering anxiety from 
 me!).  Manny has been a finnicky canned food eater ever since I've had 
 him- which has sucked b/c that is how I like to get supplements in him 
 like lysine and added water.  But he loves loves loves the Eagle Pack 
 Holistic Dry (which I have all my fosters on)--  LOVES IT.  As much I 
 would like to convert all my cats to all canned- they just love their 
 Eagle Pack dry too much.  And they have the most awesome coats- I get 
 compliments on my fosters all the time- how good they look, none are fat, 
 no dander, shiny, soft coats-- thus, I am very happy with the Holistic. 
 But all my fosters also get Holistic canned everyday, with water and 
 supplements added, so I am sure that helps keeping them look great too. 
 Manny will occasionally eat the Holistic canned, but he won't eat it in 
 back to back feedings or two days in a row (he's nutty).  I originally 
 tried to feed him a diet of Wellness canned only and he just stopped 
 eating it totally (waste of expensive food)!  That is when I switched him 
 to Eagle Pack.  So as far as sending him to his new home with feeding and 
 supplment instructions, his new mom says she doesn't want to change 
 anything b/c he looks so gorgeous and his coat is so wonderful, so she 
 will keep him on the Holistic Dry.  I've asked that she occassionally give 
 him some canned Holistic, but warned that he won't eat it 2 days in a row.

 I'd like to send her with instructions to add powdered Lysine to his dry 
 food and was wondering if people thought this will work?  I have done it a 
 few times with him and he seemed to not notice/care, but it hasn't been my 
 primary way of administering lysine b/c I did keep up with giving him 
 canned food every few days.  I think it will work tho b/c he loves his 
 Holistic so much, I seriously doubt he won't eat it due to the Lysine 
 powder.  Also, what is a good maintenance dose?  He is as healthy as a 
 horse, so I just want to provide it to them as a preventative measure.
 thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

[MaryChristine]

and someplace susan little writes about what happens if a cat doesn't get
enough arginine--it dies, if i recall the bottom line, and there was some
question about whether giving lysine interrupted the absorption of arginine
(but as cats die without the former, it was decided that clearly it
didn't.)

thanks, gloria--i'll add this to my list of references, because altho i've
seen the arginine mentioned before, it was only that once, and i've never
seen this explanation before!

see, together, we're a formidable resource!

MC

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Lysine counters the Arginine that Herpes needs to replicate -

 ...from veterinarypartner.com...

• Oral Lysine
 Herpes viruses as a group are highly dependent on the presence of an
 amino acid called arginine. Without arginine, Herpes cannot reproduce.
 The amino acid lysine is taken up by the virus in favor of arginine.
 We can take advantage of this situation by saturating the virus with
 lysine and thus suppressing the virus' ability to replicate. Lysine is
 readily available in most health food stores as a tablet or capsule.
 One should be sure that the formula used is free of the preservative
 propylene glycol as cats can have blood reactions against this
 compound. A month or so of supplementation is required in order to
 determine if supplementation has been helpful.

 Gloria




 On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Sally Davis wrote:

  Hi Wendy
 
  Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I
  believe the
  addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV
  especially if
  they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to
  whether it
  boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a
  cat that
  does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I
  gave
  Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the
  herpes
  virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary
  infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether
  you are
  able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant
  to be
  inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO.
 
  I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am
  uncertain
  how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff
  and I
  think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If
  you are
  going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has
  changed formulation but is it the plus form.
 
  Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so
  passionate.
  Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going
  far
  longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing.
  He lived
  another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got
  real bad
  very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in
  case I can
  help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope
  I am
  not put to the test again.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

[Gloria B. Lane]

Ain't we great :)

At 02:58 PM 8/3/2008, you wrote:
and someplace susan little writes about what happens if a cat doesn't get
enough arginine--it dies, if i recall the bottom line, and there was some
question about whether giving lysine interrupted the absorption of arginine
(but as cats die without the former, it was decided that clearly it
didn't.)

thanks, gloria--i'll add this to my list of references, because altho i've
seen the arginine mentioned before, it was only that once, and i've never
seen this explanation before!

see, together, we're a formidable resource!

MC

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Lysine counters the Arginine that Herpes needs to replicate -
 
  ...from veterinarypartner.com...
 
 • Oral Lysine
  Herpes viruses as a group are highly dependent on the presence of an
  amino acid called arginine. Without arginine, Herpes cannot reproduce.
  The amino acid lysine is taken up by the virus in favor of arginine.
  We can take advantage of this situation by saturating the virus with
  lysine and thus suppressing the virus' ability to replicate. Lysine is
  readily available in most health food stores as a tablet or capsule.
  One should be sure that the formula used is free of the preservative
  propylene glycol as cats can have blood reactions against this
  compound. A month or so of supplementation is required in order to
  determine if supplementation has been helpful.
 
  Gloria
 
 
 
 
  On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Sally Davis wrote:
 
   Hi Wendy
  
   Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I
   believe the
   addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV
   especially if
   they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to
   whether it
   boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a
   cat that
   does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I
   gave
   Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the
   herpes
   virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary
   infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether
   you are
   able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant
   to be
   inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO.
  
   I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am
   uncertain
   how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff
   and I
   think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If
   you are
   going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has
   changed formulation but is it the plus form.
  
   Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so
   passionate.
   Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going
   far
   longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing.
   He lived
   another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got
   real bad
   very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in
   case I can
   help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope
   I am
   not put to the test again.
  
   Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

[Gloria B. Lane]

Ain't we great :)

At 02:58 PM 8/3/2008, you wrote:
and someplace susan little writes about what happens if a cat doesn't get
enough arginine--it dies, if i recall the bottom line, and there was some
question about whether giving lysine interrupted the absorption of arginine
(but as cats die without the former, it was decided that clearly it
didn't.)

thanks, gloria--i'll add this to my list of references, because altho i've
seen the arginine mentioned before, it was only that once, and i've never
seen this explanation before!

see, together, we're a formidable resource!

MC

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Lysine counters the Arginine that Herpes needs to replicate -
 
  ...from veterinarypartner.com...
 
 • Oral Lysine
  Herpes viruses as a group are highly dependent on the presence of an
  amino acid called arginine. Without arginine, Herpes cannot reproduce.
  The amino acid lysine is taken up by the virus in favor of arginine.
  We can take advantage of this situation by saturating the virus with
  lysine and thus suppressing the virus' ability to replicate. Lysine is
  readily available in most health food stores as a tablet or capsule.
  One should be sure that the formula used is free of the preservative
  propylene glycol as cats can have blood reactions against this
  compound. A month or so of supplementation is required in order to
  determine if supplementation has been helpful.
 
  Gloria
 
 
 
 
  On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Sally Davis wrote:
 
   Hi Wendy
  
   Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I
   believe the
   addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV
   especially if
   they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to
   whether it
   boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a
   cat that
   does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I
   gave
   Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the
   herpes
   virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary
   infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether
   you are
   able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant
   to be
   inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO.
  
   I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am
   uncertain
   how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff
   and I
   think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If
   you are
   going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has
   changed formulation but is it the plus form.
  
   Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so
   passionate.
   Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going
   far
   longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing.
   He lived
   another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got
   real bad
   very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in
   case I can
   help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope
   I am
   not put to the test again.
  
   Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

[Sally Davis]

Yep we are. I did not think to add the explanation of how the L Lysine
works.

Thanks Gloria

Sally



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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

[wendy]

And again, I defend my stance.  Lysine deficiencies can result in lowered 
immune function.  Period.  Even if it only helps combat the herpes virus (as 
opposed to FeLV), it is STILL AN IMMUNE SYSTEM BOOSTER!  And keeping the immune 
system boosted is of utmost importance in keeping the FeLV virus from kicking 
in.  That is why we say a great diet and a stress-free environment are the two 
most important things in keeping FeLV+ kitties healthy, because those things 
help the immune system stay strong.  The quote you sent says specificially that 
even though it helps control the herpes virus, they believe lysine has no 
effect on the immune system and no effect on other pathogens AS FAR AS THEY 
KNOW.  Which means they don't know for sure it does not.  
 
Lysine is an essential amino acid that the human body needs (not sure about the 
feline body, but I'm betting yes), yet cannot make it on it's own.  It must 
come from food/external sources.  Lysine helps to form and maintain muscle, 
bone, and other tissues.  Often, the FeLV virus manifests itself in the bone 
marrow, which we all know is when the disease causes fatal problems, such as 
lymphoma and anemia.  While I am no doctor or scientist, given this knowledge, 
it's still common sense to me that an amino acid that aids in maintaining bone 
and tissue would be beneficial to fighting FeLV when you consider the 
implications on the bone marrow.
 
I don't think there are enough/any studies done to say that lysine does not 
directly combat the FeLV virus/virus replication.  If there are, could you 
kindly post those studies MC?  And a moratorium on the sarcasm would also be 
appreciated by me especially.
 
Respectfully,
Wendy

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the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade 
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- Original Message 
From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2008 5:08:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements


here's the direct quote from susan little, dvm, head of the Winn Feline 
Foundation (www.winnfelinehealth.org), 

Lysine is only helpful for control of herpesvirus infections.
Otherwise, it has no effect on the immune system and no effect
against other pathogens as far as we know. It is herpesvirus-
specific. And if you give arginine at the same time, you cancel out
the effect of the lysine, so it would be totally pointless. ([EMAIL 
PROTECTED], message #92072, forgive me dr susan!)

this was one of the many times she has repeated this; i've got the same thing 
repeated by a major cat rescuer/transporter in another place in my files, and 
if you go back in the archives you'll see that i and other have repeated this 
over and over again: LYSINE ONLY AFFECTS THE HERPES VIRUS. it's a marvelous 
thing, it trick the virus into not replicating, it's probably the only thing 
that i know that MDs and DOs and DDS and DVMs and practitioners of every other 
purrsuasion and specialty agree upon. 

we do no one any good when we repeat information without questioning it and 
finding out the details and veracity.

please.

MC



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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

[wendy]

And again, I defend my stance.  Lysine deficiencies can result in lowered 
immune function.  Period.  Even if it only helps combat the herpes virus (as 
opposed to FeLV), it is STILL AN IMMUNE SYSTEM BOOSTER!  And keeping the immune 
system boosted is of utmost importance in keeping the FeLV virus from kicking 
in.  That is why we say a great diet and a stress-free environment are the two 
most important things in keeping FeLV+ kitties healthy, because those things 
help the immune system stay strong.  The quote you sent says specificially that 
even though it helps control the herpes virus, they believe lysine has no 
effect on the immune system and no effect on other pathogens AS FAR AS THEY 
KNOW.  Which means they don't know for sure it does not.  
Lysine is an essential amino acid that the human body needs (not sure about the 
feline body, but I'm betting yes), yet cannot make it on it's own.  It must 
come from food/external sources.  Lysine helps to form and maintain muscle, 
bone, and other tissues.  Often, the FeLV virus manifests itself in the bone 
marrow, which we all know is when the disease causes fatal problems, such as 
lymphoma and anemia.  While I am no doctor or scientist, given this knowledge, 
it's still common sense to me that an amino acid that aids in maintaining bone 
and tissue would be beneficial to fighting FeLV when you consider the 
implications on the bone marrow.
I don't think there are enough/any studies done to say that lysine does not 
directly combat the FeLV virus/virus replication.  If there are, could you 
kindly post those studies MC?  And a moratorium on the sarcasm would also be 
appreciated by me especially.
Respectfully,
Wendy

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the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade 
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From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2008 5:08:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements


here's the direct quote from susan little, dvm, head of the Winn Feline 
Foundation (www.winnfelinehealth.org), 

Lysine is only helpful for control of herpesvirus infections.
Otherwise, it has no effect on the immune system and no effect
against other pathogens as far as we know. It is herpesvirus-
specific. And if you give arginine at the same time, you cancel out
the effect of the lysine, so it would be totally pointless. ([EMAIL 
PROTECTED], message #92072, forgive me dr susan!)

this was one of the many times she has repeated this; i've got the same thing 
repeated by a major cat rescuer/transporter in another place in my files, and 
if you go back in the archives you'll see that i and other have repeated this 
over and over again: LYSINE ONLY AFFECTS THE HERPES VIRUS. it's a marvelous 
thing, it trick the virus into not replicating, it's probably the only thing 
that i know that MDs and DOs and DDS and DVMs and practitioners of every other 
purrsuasion and specialty agree upon. 

we do no one any good when we repeat information without questioning it and 
finding out the details and veracity.

please.

MC


On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 4:33 PM, gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

There are lots of things people use but Lysine is used by many people with FeLV 
and FIV cats as an immune support.  I use this on my cats.
 
Moducare, although, I haven't figured out how to give it to my cats yet.  Your 
supposed to give it on an empty stomach because it binds with cholesterol and I 
really don't want to put my FeLV+ through the stress of pilling them everyday.  
I suppose you could give it with food that didn't have cholesterol, but most of 
those foods are vegetables and my guys aren't interested.  I tried egg whites 
and they didn't go for that either.  If anyone knows how to get Moducare into 
the cats without pilling and without cholesterol, please let me know.
 
Transfer Factor.  I don't have any experience with this one so I won't comment 
on it.
 
Lactoferrin, I know people using this on their FIV+ cats.
 
And I am sure there are many others.
 
Gary
 
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Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Supplements

What supplements can be given to a FeLV+ cat to keep them healthy?

 Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN  LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

[Sally Davis]

Hi Wendy

Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I believe the
addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV especially if
they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to whether it
boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a cat that
does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I gave
Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the herpes
virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary
infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether you are
able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant to be
inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO.

I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am uncertain
how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff and I
think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If you are
going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has
changed formulation but is it the plus form.

Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so passionate.
Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going far
longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing. He lived
another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got  real bad
very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in case I can
help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope I am
not put to the test again.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

[Marylyn]

Colostrum is wonderful as far as I am concerned for any stressed  
animal.  The two feral kittens I have been adopted by are getting it  
daily.  They had a hard beginning.  I want them to have everything I  
can think of to help them overcome it.  They are also getting  
probiotics, grain free food etc.  They have not been tested for FeLV  
or FIV yet.  And I have not had them vaccinated for anything.  They  
are inside so, as far as I am concerned, I can give them some extra  
time to gain weight and just be.   I have been told that colostrum can  
be used if Transfer Factor is out of the question.  I have used it on  
cats.  Please remember I believe in a combination of traditional and  
alternative vets.  The first place Dixie Louise went after we took  
execution off the table was to Dr. Betty Boswell.  Betty saw her  
regularly until the day she died.  Dixie was extremely healthy until  
very shortly (like days) before she left this world and her exit was  
fairly easy and quick.


On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Sally Davis wrote:

 Hi Wendy

 Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I  
 believe the
 addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV  
 especially if
 they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to  
 whether it
 boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a  
 cat that
 does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I  
 gave
 Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the  
 herpes
 virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary
 infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether  
 you are
 able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant  
 to be
 inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO.

 I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am  
 uncertain
 how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff  
 and I
 think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If  
 you are
 going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has
 changed formulation but is it the plus form.

 Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so  
 passionate.
 Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going  
 far
 longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing.  
 He lived
 another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got   
 real bad
 very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in  
 case I can
 help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope  
 I am
 not put to the test again.

 Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

[MaryChristine]

lysine won't hurt; some vets say ALL cats should be on it, but i don't think
it's fair for people who are desperately seeking help for their
immune-compromised babies to think that something will do something that it
cannot. as i said, i think it's pretty darned miraculous enough as it is!

and when we talk to the vets who don't want to believe us in the first
place, saying things that are NOT accurate just gives them more reason to
ignore us or minimize us. like the 70% figure that was anecdotal in
sanctuaries and amongst mutli-FeLV homes for so long--it's NOW right there
in the Merck, and they can't ignore THAT--before it made it to the Merck
tho, it was just we crackpots

if we want them to take us seriously, we have to know MORE than they
do--which, as in the old joke about women needing to work twice as hard,
isn't that difficult. we can NEVER underestimate how little knowledge many,
many vets seem to have about FeLV, FIV and FIP.

i could apologize for getting so passionate about this, but i won't, because
it's just SO important that SOMEONE have accurate, current information--and
it seems that it's up to us to be those someones.

MC



On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:11 PM, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Wendy

 Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I believe the
 addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV especially if
 they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to whether it
 boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a cat that
 does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I gave
 Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the herpes
 virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary
 infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether you are
 able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant to be
 inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO.

 I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am uncertain
 how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff and I
 think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If you are
 going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has
 changed formulation but is it the plus form.

 Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so passionate.
 Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going far
 longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing. He
 lived
 another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got  real
 bad
 very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in case I
 can
 help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope I am
 not put to the test again.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Supplements/lysine

[Gloria Lane]

Lysine counters the Arginine that Herpes needs to replicate -

...from veterinarypartner.com...

• Oral Lysine
Herpes viruses as a group are highly dependent on the presence of an  
amino acid called arginine. Without arginine, Herpes cannot reproduce.  
The amino acid lysine is taken up by the virus in favor of arginine.  
We can take advantage of this situation by saturating the virus with  
lysine and thus suppressing the virus' ability to replicate. Lysine is  
readily available in most health food stores as a tablet or capsule.  
One should be sure that the formula used is free of the preservative  
propylene glycol as cats can have blood reactions against this  
compound. A month or so of supplementation is required in order to  
determine if supplementation has been helpful.

Gloria




On Aug 2, 2008, at 6:11 PM, Sally Davis wrote:

 Hi Wendy

 Since the feline herpes virus is fairly common in cats then I  
 believe the
 addition of L lysine would be of benefit to cats with FELV  
 especially if
 they are exhibiting cold-like symptoms. Semantics aside as to  
 whether it
 boost the immune system or has some other mode of action, giving a  
 cat that
 does not have the herpes virus L lysine will not do it any harm. I  
 gave
 Junior lysine due to symptoms that would have indicated he had the  
 herpes
 virus as well as FELV. Anything to help him fight off the secondary
 infections. I think you have a point about it's usefulness whether  
 you are
 able to articulate as well as MC. I do not feel that this was meant  
 to be
 inaccurate information. It certainly is not harmful information IMO.

 I also used Transfer Factor in Junior. It was not cheap and I am  
 uncertain
 how much it helped. I was no longer able to afford the good stuff  
 and I
 think his health slid a bit when I switched to a cheaper brand. If  
 you are
 going to use Transfer factor be sure you get the 4Life formula. It has
 changed formulation but is it the plus form.

 Mary Christine you are a wonderful source of information and so  
 passionate.
 Everyone here has been so kind to me and helped me keep Junior going  
 far
 longer than the vet would have given him. They advised euthanizing.  
 He lived
 another year and a half. Most of it good, Some not so good. It got   
 real bad
 very quick and the decision then was easy. I stay in the group in  
 case I can
 help. I know I would certainly do things a bit different now. I hope  
 I am
 not put to the test again.

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Re: spaying ~ bllood work, lysine and meditation

[laurieskatz]

Lynne, I understand. 

I always insist on blood work up as that will tell you if everything is normal, 
no matter what the age of the cat. Some vets only want to do this on older cats.

I would give her L-lysine twice a day, 500 mg each time until she goes in and 
for a few days after she gets home (late notice I realize) ~ this is for the 
herpes. Winston's acts up when he is stressed and he gets stressed going to the 
vet. I crush a 500mg pill and mix in with canned food.

I recommend,if you are so inclined, you turn this over to your higher power, 
the universe, etc and RELEASE any negative energy you are carrying about this. 
You don't want Snowy to pick up on your fears. I find I bring to myself those 
things I fear...Frankie is having a biopsy tomorrow so I am in the midst of 
this process, too. I practice breathing when I go to that place of fear... I 
take a breath in and think or say in with peace and breathe out and think or 
say out with negativity). The serenity prayer is another way I calm myself.

Our best to you and Snowy.
Headbutts,
Laurie and Frankie
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  From: Lynne 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:47 PM
  Subject: spaying


  Hi all,

  I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails.  I guess 
this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance.  This coming Thursday 
we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed.  It was part of the contract I signed 
when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after 
BooBoo died.  She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing 
this.  We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that 
we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day.  She had been neglected 
in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued.  She had 
feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered 
nicely and was immunized when we got her.  I just keep thinking that if we had 
not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better.  I truly believe that it 
hastened his demise.  I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have 
always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated.  
The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever 
recover.  She is an amazing precious little girl.  We haven't had a younger cat 
in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me 
every night when I go upstairs.  She talks to us all the time in these little 
meows and you can tell she is really happy.

  The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week 
to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too.  He commented 
that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied.  She's kind 
of a poster child in this area for abused animals.  He also said she was very 
lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him.

  Lynne

Re: Herpes virus - L-lysine

[catatonya]

are you asking? or are you telling me it's just lysine
  tonya.  too late at night to 'get' it!

MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  isn't it just the fancied-up, 
so-the-vet-and-companies-can-make-more-money-on-it version of lysine? in a 
palatable gel, or something, maybe with some vitamins thrown in?

asks the cynic.

  On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 4:40 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is Viralys? and/or where do you get it? dosage?  can I give it to all 
the cats like the lysine?
  thanks,
  tonya  

laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  I use Viralys and sprinkle it on a small amount of cannedfood so I am 
sure they get it all.Or crush a pill and sprinkle, again, on a small amount 
(Tablespoon) of canned food. Mine aren't great about being syringed. L-lysine 
is tasteless and since they eat canned, this is easing dosing for me (also I 
have 5 cats currently, so easier with those numbers). The Yahoo herpes group 
has suggestions about dosing, etc.
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Re: Herpes virus - L-lysine in Viralys form

[catatonya]

thanks.  i'll keep crushing till I can get to the store and buy the plain old 
powder.  Sneaker (the one with the herpes) will rarely come and eat the food 
with the lysine in it anyway. :(
  t

laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I get it from my vet but have found online, too.
  It's more expensive than buying the tablets yoursefl and crushing them.
  It's powder form so easy to use for multiple cats and has chicken flavoring. 
I confess I use it sometimes to get my Coco to eat. She is an on again off 
again eater. Ingredients: L-lysine in a platable flavor base. 
  Laurie
- Original Message - 
  From: MaryChristine 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 3:28 PM
  Subject: Re: Herpes virus - L-lysine
  

isn't it just the fancied-up, 
so-the-vet-and-companies-can-make-more-money-on-it version of lysine? in a 
palatable gel, or something, maybe with some vitamins thrown in?

asks the cynic.

  On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 4:40 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is Viralys? and/or where do you get it? dosage?  can I give it to all 
the cats like the lysine?
  thanks,
  tonya   

laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  I use Viralys and sprinkle it on a small amount of cannedfood so I am 
sure they get it all.Or crush a pill and sprinkle, again, on a small amount 
(Tablespoon) of canned food. Mine aren't great about being syringed. L-lysine 
is tasteless and since they eat canned, this is easing dosing for me (also I 
have 5 cats currently, so easier with those numbers). The Yahoo herpes group 
has suggestions about dosing, etc.
  L
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Re: Herpes virus - L-lysine

[MaryChristine]

a little bit of both, i'd guess. someone else answers it,
tho--chicken-flavoring

On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 3:11 AM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 are you asking? or are you telling me it's just lysine
 tonya.  too late at night to 'get' it!


 *MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:

 isn't it just the fancied-up,
 so-the-vet-and-companies-can-make-more-money-on-it version of lysine? in a
 palatable gel, or something, maybe with some vitamins thrown in?

 asks the cynic.

 On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 4:40 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  What is Viralys? and/or where do you get it? dosage?  can I give it to
  all the cats like the lysine?
  thanks,
  tonya
 
  *laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:
 
  I use Viralys and sprinkle it on a small amount of cannedfood so I am
  sure they get it all.Or crush a pill and sprinkle, again, on a small
  amount (Tablespoon) of canned food. Mine aren't great about being syringed.
  L-lysine is tasteless and since they eat canned, this is easing dosing for
  me (also I have 5 cats currently, so easier with those numbers). The Yahoo
  herpes group has suggestions about dosing, etc.
  L
 
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Re: Herpes virus - L-lysine

[catatonya]

What is Viralys? and/or where do you get it? dosage?  can I give it to all the 
cats like the lysine?
  thanks,
  tonya

laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I use Viralys and sprinkle it on a small amount of cannedfood so I am 
sure they get it all.Or crush a pill and sprinkle, again, on a small amount 
(Tablespoon) of canned food. Mine aren't great about being syringed. L-lysine 
is tasteless and since they eat canned, this is easing dosing for me (also I 
have 5 cats currently, so easier with those numbers). The Yahoo herpes group 
has suggestions about dosing, etc.
  L
- 

Re: Herpes virus - L-lysine

[MaryChristine]

isn't it just the fancied-up,
so-the-vet-and-companies-can-make-more-money-on-it version of lysine? in a
palatable gel, or something, maybe with some vitamins thrown in?

asks the cynic.

On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 4:40 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What is Viralys? and/or where do you get it? dosage?  can I give it to all
 the cats like the lysine?
 thanks,
 tonya

 *laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:

 I use Viralys and sprinkle it on a small amount of cannedfood so I am sure
 they get it all.Or crush a pill and sprinkle, again, on a small amount
 (Tablespoon) of canned food. Mine aren't great about being syringed.
 L-lysine is tasteless and since they eat canned, this is easing dosing for
 me (also I have 5 cats currently, so easier with those numbers). The Yahoo
 herpes group has suggestions about dosing, etc.
 L

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Re: Herpes virus - L-lysine in Viralys form

[laurieskatz]

I get it from my vet but have found online, too.
It's more expensive than buying the tablets yoursefl and crushing them.
It's powder form so easy to use for multiple cats and has chicken flavoring. I 
confess I use it sometimes to get my Coco to eat. She is an on again off again 
eater. Ingredients: L-lysine in a platable flavor base. 
Laurie
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryChristine 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 3:28 PM
  Subject: Re: Herpes virus - L-lysine


  isn't it just the fancied-up, 
so-the-vet-and-companies-can-make-more-money-on-it version of lysine? in a 
palatable gel, or something, maybe with some vitamins thrown in?

  asks the cynic.


  On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 4:40 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What is Viralys? and/or where do you get it? dosage?  can I give it to all 
the cats like the lysine?
thanks,
tonya


laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I use Viralys and sprinkle it on a small amount of cannedfood so I am 
sure they get it all.Or crush a pill and sprinkle, again, on a small amount 
(Tablespoon) of canned food. Mine aren't great about being syringed. L-lysine 
is tasteless and since they eat canned, this is easing dosing for me (also I 
have 5 cats currently, so easier with those numbers). The Yahoo herpes group 
has suggestions about dosing, etc.
  L
- 





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