Re: [Felvtalk] My 11 year old indoor only male cat was diagnosed with FeLV...update...
Jason, With leukemia, you want to keep an eye on the haematology levels. If the red cell count/haemoglobin/haematocrit levels remain okay, then staying on whatever you are currently using is okay. But keep a close watch. If those levels start to dip, or the reticulocyte levels go way down, then you should consider the Winstrol. Prednisone/Depomedrol on their own will not reverse those downward trends in blood cells – at least that was my experience. I found that the prednisone assisted with the Winstrol, but didn’t do anything to pull up those blood results when they were way down. If your cat is responding well to the current therapy, then it makes sense to stick with it, but I would also ensure that haematology panels are also run, so that you can change his medication BEFORE the symptoms show of up a significant drop in red cells, white cells, platelets and/or reticulocytes. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of JASON VOGT Sent: January 26, 2022 3:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] My 11 year old indoor only male cat was diagnosed with FeLV...update... Hello everyone, This morning I took Kitty to my Veterinarian because he was not eating and looked like panting breathing beginning to start again, too. Exactly one month ago, my Veterinarian gave him IV fluids and a shot of Convenia (the injectable antibiotic). He did very well for the last 30 days. Eating, drinking, playing, sleeping - he seemed like his old self again. I am happy about that. I think twice this week though, in the morning just when I got out of bed, I heard him moaning in pain. I just know figured out that was the noise he was making (a moaning sound because he was in pain). I noticed a small sore on his nose also. The Veterinarian talked to me about prednisone. She gave him more SubQ (IV) fluids, another shot of Convenia, and Depomedrol 20mg (20cc shot I think). He weighs around 10.5 pounds. I just did some internet research on Depomedrol and it seems just about the same as Prednisone (possibly a different form of it). It said it is an anti inflamatory and also a drug for leukemia, cancer, arthritis, etc. He is home now. He ate some kibble when he got home and is taking a nap now. Comments and suggestions welcome again, Thank you very much, Jason ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 63, Issue 5
Jason what may have happened to you is your cat could have had feline leukemia and then apparently beat it like a lot of cats do when they’re very young and their immune system overpowers it but sometimes it gets depressed and it stays in the body but it’s not active until when they’re older and something triggers it becomes apparent again. That might be what happened On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 1:43 PM wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. My 11.50 year old cat Kitty diagnosed with FeLV.. (JASON VOGT) >2. Re: My 11.50 year old cat Kitty diagnosed with FeLV.. > (Amani Oakley) >3. Re: My 11.50 year old cat Kitty diagnosed with FeLV.. > (Christi Anna) > > > ------ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 15:26:40 + (UTC) > From: JASON VOGT > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Subject: [Felvtalk] My 11.50 year old cat Kitty diagnosed with > FeLV.. > Message-ID: <757473990.640373.1641137200...@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thank you very much for your detailed response Amani.? You obviously have > a lot of experience treating both FeLV+ cats and kittens.? He (Kitty) will > be 12 years old this coming Spring or Summer.? Thank you also Kat.? I > remember taking him (Kitty) in from outside when he was one year old.? I am > positive the Vet. did a FeLV test on him then and it was negative at one > year old.? It surprised me him (Kitty) being diagnosed this old with FeLV.?? > I had an 11.50 year old cat (Mork - indoor only who I got from a shelter > as a kitten) who died in 2014 of FIP (also diagnosed with it very late at > age 11).? I am not sure how these 2 older cats of mine contracted these > diseases and how Mork died from it late in life.? Does an older cat's > immune system get much weaker as they age??? > The 11.50 female? indoor only cat (Snow White) appears just fine.? I took > her in from outside the same time as Kitty at one year old.? She tested > negative for FeLV at one year old also.? ? > Thank you very much again,? > Jason > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://felineleukemia.org/pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20220102/012b3f9b/attachment-0001.html > > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 20:06:27 + > From: Amani Oakley > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 11.50 year old cat Kitty diagnosed with > FeLV.. > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > No problem, Jason. Please let us know how things work out. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of JASON > VOGT > Sent: January 2, 2022 10:27 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] My 11.50 year old cat Kitty diagnosed with FeLV.. > > Thank you very much for your detailed response Amani. You obviously have > a lot of experience treating both FeLV+ cats and kittens. He (Kitty) will > be 12 years old this coming Spring or Summer. Thank you also Kat. I > remember taking him (Kitty) in from outside when he was one year old. I am > positive the Vet. did a FeLV test on him then and it was negative at one > year old. It surprised me him (Kitty) being diagnosed this old with FeLV. > > I had an 11.50 year old cat (Mork - indoor only who I got from a shelter > as a kitten) who died in 2014 of FIP (also diagnosed with it very late at > age 11). I am not sure how these 2 older cats of mine contracted these > diseases and how Mork died from it late in life. Does an older cat's > immune system get much weaker as they age? > > The 11.50 female indoor only cat (Snow White) appears just fine. I took > her in from outside the same time as Kitty at one year old. She tested > negative for FeLV at one year old also. > > Thank you very much again, > > Jason > ------ next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://felineleukemia.org/pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachment
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 63, Issue 2
Don’t give up! Like the other poster said LTC I works in many cases and Winstrol works for a lot of people. Myself I didn’t use any of those and I was prepared for the worst but now almost 12 years later I have a cat who is not FLV positive anymore. At 8 1/2 years old suddenly she flipped. I don’t know why it’s a miracle but don’t give up. And don’t let any vet tell you to put your kitty down. Fight until the end and hopefully the end will come much much later than you think. Good luck and blessings be on counting to you and yours and your kitty Kat On Sat, Jan 1, 2022 at 1:09 PM wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: My 11 and 1/2 year old indoor only male cat was diagnosed > with FeLV (Amani Oakley) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2022 21:08:57 + > From: Amani Oakley > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 11 and 1/2 year old indoor only male cat > was diagnosed with FeLV > Message-ID: <08b17163ffa44e33abaadcaf68d1101e@OAKSERVER.oakley.local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Jason, if your baby is only ? a year old, he may have been born with it or > had it before you took him in. > > I have written many times on this chatline about my own success with > Zander, my baby who had FeLV and we were told there was no hope and to just > put him down. > > What worked for us was Winstrol (Stanozolol), an anabolic steroid ? the > ?Ben Johnson steroid?. Unfortunately, because many many athletes use > Stanozolol to improve their performance and to heal injuries faster, the > scientific community has labeled this steroid as ?evil?, and stupidly > ignore it and will not use it on either humans or animals. It used to be > regularly given to cats, because cats in particular, really respond well to > it. There was a really poorly-researched vet paper years ago, which > suggested Winstrol causes liver failure in cats, so vets just abruptly > stopped using it. In my case, after trying EVERYTHING including interferon > and LCTI. We tried each for 4 to 6 months, while monitoring blood work > every week. There was no change or improvement in red cell count, > haematocrit, reticulocytes, etc. Here is my original post on this chatline, > from 2015, and I have repeated this advice many times over the years. > Several people have reported success using ?Zander?s protocol? which > I describe below: > > > I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and > died from something else that I don?t believe was related to the leukemia. > When the vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying > with leukemia (and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to > nothing and I had given him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up > his numbers to any great degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some > Winstrol I had in the cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for > another cat. > > > This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we > were performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After > being put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to > climb very quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets > couldn't believe the lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of > the woods in about six months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of > his ears, gums and pads to check the status of his profound anemia, and to > our unbelievable joy, he began to get pink and his lab results just kept > getting better. After about a year, I called back the internal medicine > veterinarian we had seen, and who had told us there was no hope, and told > him of our beautiful cat's recovery. To my surprise - and a little bit of > anger - he said that I had gone "old school" and that Winstrol used to be > used but then there were rumours of possible liver damage associated with > it, and vets stopped prescribing it. T > his REALLY annoyed me. My cat was dying and no one thought that maybe, > just maybe, some treatme
Re: [Felvtalk] My 11.50 year old cat Kitty diagnosed with FeLV......
Hi Jason, In our rescue group here in NC, anytime a cat tests positive we always have the vet clinic rerun the test. Occasionally there can be user error, either due to the way the test is run or using the parts of the test incorrectly, the way the kits were stored, temperature-wise or expired, etc. Also, there are IFA and PCR tests that can confirm a positive result. Shelley > On Jan 2, 2022, at 4:58 PM, LORRAINE JOHNSTON > wrote: > > Dear Jason, > > It might comfort you to know that some cats who contract FeLV late in life > can suppress it. This is what appears to have happened to my cousin’s cat. > She contracted felv from a bite at about age 12. My cousin had had one felv > vaccine administered about a year prior, but forgot to get her booster. Then > came the bite, after which she tested positive. But we’ve had her viral load > checked annually by a company called Scanelis (Colomiers, France), and they > report a very low circulating viral load consistent with her immune system > suppressing the virus. This phenomenon has been reported in the scientific > literature on felv. If you’d like more details, feel free to contact me > privately at johnston1110 at Comcast.net. > > Cheers, > > - Lorraine > > “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” > -Theodore Parker >> On 01/02/2022 3:06 PM Amani Oakley wrote: >> >> >> No problem, Jason. Please let us know how things work out. >> >> >> >> Amani >> >> >> >> From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of JASON VOGT >> Sent: January 2, 2022 10:27 AM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: [Felvtalk] My 11.50 year old cat Kitty diagnosed with FeLV.. >> >> >> >> Thank you very much for your detailed response Amani. You obviously have a >> lot of experience treating both FeLV+ cats and kittens. He (Kitty) will be >> 12 years old this coming Spring or Summer. Thank you also Kat. I remember >> taking him (Kitty) in from outside when he was one year old. I am positive >> the Vet. did a FeLV test on him then and it was negative at one year old. >> It surprised me him (Kitty) being diagnosed this old with FeLV. >> >> >> I had an 11.50 year old cat (Mork - indoor only who I got from a shelter as >> a kitten) who died in 2014 of FIP (also diagnosed with it very late at age >> 11). I am not sure how these 2 older cats of mine contracted these diseases >> and how Mork died from it late in life. Does an older cat's immune system >> get much weaker as they age? >> >> >> The 11.50 female indoor only cat (Snow White) appears just fine. I took >> her in from outside the same time as Kitty at one year old. She tested >> negative for FeLV at one year old also. >> >> >> Thank you very much again, >> >> >> Jason >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My 11.50 year old cat Kitty diagnosed with FeLV......
Dear Jason, It might comfort you to know that some cats who contract FeLV late in life can suppress it. This is what appears to have happened to my cousin’s cat. She contracted felv from a bite at about age 12. My cousin had had one felv vaccine administered about a year prior, but forgot to get her booster. Then came the bite, after which she tested positive. But we’ve had her viral load checked annually by a company called Scanelis (Colomiers, France), and they report a very low circulating viral load consistent with her immune system suppressing the virus. This phenomenon has been reported in the scientific literature on felv. If you’d like more details, feel free to contact me privately at johnston1110 at Comcast.net. Cheers, - Lorraine “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” -Theodore Parker > On 01/02/2022 3:06 PM Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > No problem, Jason. Please let us know how things work out. > > > Amani > > > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of JASON > VOGT > Sent: January 2, 2022 10:27 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] My 11.50 year old cat Kitty diagnosed with FeLV.. > > > Thank you very much for your detailed response Amani. You obviously have > a lot of experience treating both FeLV+ cats and kittens. He (Kitty) will be > 12 years old this coming Spring or Summer. Thank you also Kat. I remember > taking him (Kitty) in from outside when he was one year old. I am positive > the Vet. did a FeLV test on him then and it was negative at one year old. It > surprised me him (Kitty) being diagnosed this old with FeLV. > > > > I had an 11.50 year old cat (Mork - indoor only who I got from a shelter > as a kitten) who died in 2014 of FIP (also diagnosed with it very late at age > 11). I am not sure how these 2 older cats of mine contracted these diseases > and how Mork died from it late in life. Does an older cat's immune system > get much weaker as they age? > > > > The 11.50 female indoor only cat (Snow White) appears just fine. I took > her in from outside the same time as Kitty at one year old. She tested > negative for FeLV at one year old also. > > > > Thank you very much again, > > > > Jason > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My 11.50 year old cat Kitty diagnosed with FeLV......
No problem, Jason. Please let us know how things work out. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of JASON VOGT Sent: January 2, 2022 10:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] My 11.50 year old cat Kitty diagnosed with FeLV.. Thank you very much for your detailed response Amani. You obviously have a lot of experience treating both FeLV+ cats and kittens. He (Kitty) will be 12 years old this coming Spring or Summer. Thank you also Kat. I remember taking him (Kitty) in from outside when he was one year old. I am positive the Vet. did a FeLV test on him then and it was negative at one year old. It surprised me him (Kitty) being diagnosed this old with FeLV. I had an 11.50 year old cat (Mork - indoor only who I got from a shelter as a kitten) who died in 2014 of FIP (also diagnosed with it very late at age 11). I am not sure how these 2 older cats of mine contracted these diseases and how Mork died from it late in life. Does an older cat's immune system get much weaker as they age? The 11.50 female indoor only cat (Snow White) appears just fine. I took her in from outside the same time as Kitty at one year old. She tested negative for FeLV at one year old also. Thank you very much again, Jason ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My 11 and 1/2 year old indoor only male cat was diagnosed with FeLV....
Oh, thank you. I somehow read it as two cats, one who was 11 and one who is ½ a year old. Sorry about that Jason, but I agree with Kat. The Winstrol works no matter the age. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of kat Sent: January 1, 2022 7:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 11 and 1/2 year old indoor only male cat was diagnosed with FeLV Amani, I think Jason said Kitty is 11.5 years old... I agree with you about the Winstrol protocol, no matter what the age. Kat (Mew Jersey) Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 at 4:08 PM From: "Amani Oakley" mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>" mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 11 and 1/2 year old indoor only male cat was diagnosed with FeLV Jason, if your baby is only ½ a year old, he may have been born with it or had it before you took him in. I have written many times on this chatline about my own success with Zander, my baby who had FeLV and we were told there was no hope and to just put him down. What worked for us was Winstrol (Stanozolol), an anabolic steroid – the “Ben Johnson steroid”. Unfortunately, because many many athletes use Stanozolol to improve their performance and to heal injuries faster, the scientific community has labeled this steroid as “evil”, and stupidly ignore it and will not use it on either humans or animals. It used to be regularly given to cats, because cats in particular, really respond well to it. There was a really poorly-researched vet paper years ago, which suggested Winstrol causes liver failure in cats, so vets just abruptly stopped using it. In my case, after trying EVERYTHING including interferon and LCTI. We tried each for 4 to 6 months, while monitoring blood work every week. There was no change or improvement in red cell count, haematocrit, reticulocytes, etc. Here is my original post on this chatline, from 2015, and I have repeated this advice many times over the years. Several people have reported success using “Zander’s protocol” which I describe below: I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and died from something else that I don’t believe was related to the leukemia. When the vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying with leukemia (and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to nothing and I had given him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up his numbers to any great degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some Winstrol I had in the cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for another cat. This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we were performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After being put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to climb very quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets couldn't believe the lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of the woods in about six months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of his ears, gums and pads to check the status of his profound anemia, and to our unbelievable joy, he began to get pink and his lab results just kept getting better. After about a year, I called back the internal medicine veterinarian we had seen, and who had told us there was no hope, and told him of our beautiful cat's recovery. To my surprise - and a little bit of anger - he said that I had gone "old school" and that Winstrol used to be used but then there were rumours of possible liver damage associated with it, and vets stopped prescribing it. This REALLY annoyed me. My cat was dying and no one thought that maybe, just maybe, some treatment - even with a potential side effect - was better than no treatment??? In our experience, on a few occasions the liver enzymes would indeed rise, but would drop back down to normal fairly quickly after a short break from the Winstrol. We monitored our beautiful Zander very closely during and after his initial crisis, and if I thought that maybe he was looking pale again, or if the CBC came back with a significantly dropping red cell count, we would put him back on the Winstrol for a 4 to 6 week period, and it would fix him right up. The Winstrol also really helped to increase his appetite so I could get him to eat when he was so very sick. I used it at a level of 1 mg two times a day when he was really sick, and when he started to recover, I cut it back to 1 mg a day, or even 1/2 mg a day for a maintenance dose. I would often pair it with prednisone as well (5 mg a day) and Doxycycline (50 mg a day). I have looked after a very large number of strays over the years and I have a science and medicine background in science and microbiology and laboratory medicine, so I tested and analyzed the lab results we were getting, using this knowledge. I
Re: [Felvtalk] My 11 and 1/2 year old indoor only male cat was diagnosed with FeLV....
Amani, I think Jason said Kitty is 11.5 years old... I agree with you about the Winstrol protocol, no matter what the age. Kat (Mew Jersey) Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2022 at 4:08 PM From: "Amani Oakley" To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 11 and 1/2 year old indoor only male cat was diagnosed with FeLV Jason, if your baby is only ½ a year old, he may have been born with it or had it before you took him in. I have written many times on this chatline about my own success with Zander, my baby who had FeLV and we were told there was no hope and to just put him down. What worked for us was Winstrol (Stanozolol), an anabolic steroid – the “Ben Johnson steroid”. Unfortunately, because many many athletes use Stanozolol to improve their performance and to heal injuries faster, the scientific community has labeled this steroid as “evil”, and stupidly ignore it and will not use it on either humans or animals. It used to be regularly given to cats, because cats in particular, really respond well to it. There was a really poorly-researched vet paper years ago, which suggested Winstrol causes liver failure in cats, so vets just abruptly stopped using it. In my case, after trying EVERYTHING including interferon and LCTI. We tried each for 4 to 6 months, while monitoring blood work every week. There was no change or improvement in red cell count, haematocrit, reticulocytes, etc. Here is my original post on this chatline, from 2015, and I have repeated this advice many times over the years. Several people have reported success using “Zander’s protocol” which I describe below: I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and died from something else that I don’t believe was related to the leukemia. When the vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying with leukemia (and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to nothing and I had given him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up his numbers to any great degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some Winstrol I had in the cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for another cat. This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we were performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After being put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to climb very quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets couldn't believe the lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of the woods in about six months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of his ears, gums and pads to check the status of his profound anemia, and to our unbelievable joy, he began to get pink and his lab results just kept getting better. After about a year, I called back the internal medicine veterinarian we had seen, and who had told us there was no hope, and told him of our beautiful cat's recovery. To my surprise - and a little bit of anger - he said that I had gone "old school" and that Winstrol used to be used but then there were rumours of possible liver damage associated with it, and vets stopped prescribing it. This REALLY annoyed me. My cat was dying and no one thought that maybe, just maybe, some treatment - even with a potential side effect - was better than no treatment??? In our experience, on a few occasions the liver enzymes would indeed rise, but would drop back down to normal fairly quickly after a short break from the Winstrol. We monitored our beautiful Zander very closely during and after his initial crisis, and if I thought that maybe he was looking pale again, or if the CBC came back with a significantly dropping red cell count, we would put him back on the Winstrol for a 4 to 6 week period, and it would fix him right up. The Winstrol also really helped to increase his appetite so I could get him to eat when he was so very sick. I used it at a level of 1 mg two times a day when he was really sick, and when he started to recover, I cut it back to 1 mg a day, or even 1/2 mg a day for a maintenance dose. I would often pair it with prednisone as well (5 mg a day) and Doxycycline (50 mg a day). I have looked after a very large number of strays over the years and I have a science and medicine background in science and microbiology and laboratory medicine, so I tested and analyzed the lab results we were getting, using this knowledge. I have since used Winstrol in my cats in a number of other situations where vets have told me there is no hope, and I have to say that it has come through more often than not. I therefore could not understand the reluctance of the veterinary - and medical community for that matter - to consider Winstrol, especially in circumstances where vets are telling pet owners that there are no other options and their kitten or cat will die. I have had to do a fair amount of internet research and spoken to a number of ve
Re: [Felvtalk] My 11 and 1/2 year old indoor only male cat was diagnosed with FeLV....
RE: Winstrol, leave it up to humans to mess things up, over using drugs. - Original Message - From: Amani Oakley To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, 01 Jan 2022 16:08:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My 11 and 1/2 year old indoor only male cat was diagnosed with FeLV Jason, if your baby is only ½ a year old, he may have been born with it or had it before you took him in. I have written many times on this chatline about my own success with Zander, my baby who had FeLV and we were told there was no hope and to just put him down. What worked for us was Winstrol (Stanozolol), an anabolic steroid – the “Ben Johnson steroid”. Unfortunately, because many many athletes use Stanozolol to improve their performance and to heal injuries faster, the scientific community has labeled this steroid as “evil”, and stupidly ignore it and will not use it on either humans or animals. It used to be regularly given to cats, because cats in particular, really respond well to it. There was a really poorly-researched vet paper years ago, which suggested Winstrol causes liver failure in cats, so vets just abruptly stopped using it. In my case, after trying EVERYTHING including interferon and LCTI. We tried each for 4 to 6 months, while monitoring blood work every week. There was no change or improvement in red cell count, haematocrit, reticulocytes, etc. Here is my original post on this chatline, from 2015, and I have repeated this advice many times over the years. Several people have reported success using “Zander’s protocol” which I describe below: I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and died from something else that I don’t believe was related to the leukemia. When the vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying with leukemia (and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to nothing and I had given him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up his numbers to any great degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some Winstrol I had in the cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for another cat. This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we were performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After being put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to climb very quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets couldn't believe the lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of the woods in about six months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of his ears, gums and pads to check the status of his profound anemia, and to our unbelievable joy, he began to get pink and his lab results just kept getting better. After about a year, I called back the internal medicine veterinarian we had seen, and who had told us there was no hope, and told him of our beautiful cat's recovery. To my surprise - and a little bit of anger - he said that I had gone "old school" and that Winstrol used to be used but then there were rumours of possible liver damage associated with it, and vets stopped prescribing it. This REALLY annoyed me. My cat was dying and no one thought that maybe, just maybe, some treatment - even with a potential side effect - was better than no treatment??? In our experience, on a few occasions the liver enzymes would indeed rise, but would drop back down to normal fairly quickly after a short break from the Winstrol. We monitored our beautiful Zander very closely during and after his initial crisis, and if I thought that maybe he was looking pale again, or if the CBC came back with a significantly dropping red cell count, we would put him back on the Winstrol for a 4 to 6 week period, and it would fix him right up. The Winstrol also really helped to increase his appetite so I could get him to eat when he was so very sick. I used it at a level of 1 mg two times a day when he was really sick, and when he started to recover, I cut it back to 1 mg a day, or even 1/2 mg a day for a maintenance dose. I would often pair it with prednisone as well (5 mg a day) and Doxycycline (50 mg a day). I have looked after a very large number of strays over the years and I have a science and medicine background in science and microbiology and laboratory medicine, so I tested and analyzed the lab results we were getting, using this knowledge. I have since used Winstrol in my cats in a number of other situations where vets have told me there is no hope, and I have to say that it has come through more often than not. I therefore could not understand the reluctance of the veterinary - and medical community for that matter - to consider Winstrol, especially in circumstances where vets are telling pet owners that there are no other options and their kitten or cat will die. I have had to do a fair amount of internet research and spoken to a number of veterinarians about this. I have
Re: [Felvtalk] My 11 and 1/2 year old indoor only male cat was diagnosed with FeLV....
e drug MAY cause liver disease, when your animal is dying Wouldn't you give that option in those circumstances, and let the pet owner understand the risks??? Personally, I think that the risk of permanent liver damage is not a significant risk. The information I have been able to find - buried so very deeply as to be almost unable to be found on the Internet - points to any change in the liver enzymes as being transitory and not representing any lasting liver damage. That was certainly our experience. Because Zander's condition was so dire, even when his liver enzymes started to go up, I decided to keep him on the Winstrol because I could see that his bone marrow had turned back on again and he was producing red cells (with his reticulocyte level starting to go up from basically a zero level). He was eating and looking better, so I grit my teeth and proceeded with the Winstrol. I suspect that many vets might have abandoned ship at that point, and pulled the Winstrol before it had had an opportunity to really have the desired effect, but my vet was at least good enough to recognize that if this treatment didn't work, my cat was out of luck, and she allowed me to continue on with the Winstrol since Zander was doing better in so many other ways. This was also our experience when I used Winstrol in another very elderly cat who had a large and aggressive sarcoma in her sinus cavity, and again who was not expected to live very long. She lived another 3 years after the diagnosis (she was around 19 when she passed away), and I believe that the Winstrol helped immensely in getting her to keep eating, and to keep the swelling under control. With her, we definitely found that her liver enzymes spiked dramatically with the use of the Winstrol, but settled down immediately with a brief discontinuance of the drug. Zander died at age 7 from cardiomyopathy - nothing to do with his liver. I tortured myself with thoughts that maybe the Winstrol had caused the cardiomyopathy, and for all I know, it did. However, again, I did a fair amount of research and initially, I found references to a link between Winstrol and cardiac damage, but the link was pretty tenuous at best, and seemed to be suspected in athletes who had taken Winstrol at 100 X the recommended dosages for years and years. My guilt has never gone away because of course, you never know, but what I do know is that I would have lost him when he was only a year old. If the Winstrol managed to give me 6 more very good years with my cat, who played and was exceptionally affectionate and showed an extreme happiness with his life, then I would have to say I have no hesitation in doing it again. What I find truly bizarre is that given the death sentence that this disease represents to cats, it should be very simple indeed to (a) have vets try the Winstrol and see what their experience is with it (with the proviso that they shouldn’t pull a cat off the Winstrol just because the liver enzymes start to go up) and (b) why haven’t there been some decent clinical trials with this stuff? The cats are given zero probability of surviving this disease. Even if Winstrol only works sometimes, that is better than the odds we are given for these cats at the moment. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of JASON VOGT Sent: January 1, 2022 10:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] My 11 and 1/2 year old indoor only male cat was diagnosed with FeLV Hello, My 11 and 1/2 year old indoor only cat, Kitty, was diagnosed with FeLV this past Monday at my Veterinarians. I am not sure when or how he contracted it. He was very sick and threw up 4 times in about 4 hours last Saturday morning (a white foam throw up), then stopped eating and had trouble breathing and could not sleep. Vet. gave him IV fluids (he was dehydrated) and the antibiotic shot (Convenia injection). He has been doing really well since then though. He is back to his regular self. I have another 11 and 1/2 year old female cat indoor only also. She has been fine. No symptoms. I have a large barn outdoors, and in the past several years I have let other cats and kittens into the house in a separate room (but Kitty likes to go in and smell around after I put the cats/kittens back outside). He played with one kitten a few months ago, too. My Vet. says there is nothing she can do. I plan on keeping things very clean inside and not stressing him out any. I plan on going back for another Convenia injection or Amoxicillin drops in the future if necessary. I am not sure if she wants to prescribe him any other medicines in the future or not? Any tips for me? When/how do you think he got it? How long ago? Which drugs that the Vet. may give him help the most? Any that are bad for him? Any holistic or over the counter things I can purchase to boost his immune system or help him? Any Holistic Veterinarians that can help me? Thank you very mu
Re: [Felvtalk] New to felv
Yep - still plugging along. Good to hear you're okay too. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: May 18, 2021 6:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New to felv Hello Amani, It has been a while. Glad to know you survived the "pandemic". All is well here despite having 2 FELV positive cats. It did not spread to others. I lost one Homey to Hyper thyroid at age 13. Everyone else has passed from old age at 18+. - Original Message - From: Amani Oakley To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, 18 May 2021 14:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New to felv Pamela First, I have kept FeLV positive cats with other cats and never ever had a transfer of the infection. Like you, we didn’t know and the kitten we took in only tested positive when he was a little under a year old. He had been mixing with our other cats for at least ten months - same food and water bowls, sleeping together, etc. I think your primary vet is correct. Keep Toby. With respect to the FeLV, treat with Winstrol + Doxycycline + Prednisone. Our FeLV cat lived to almost 8 years old, and died from a heart condition. The heart condition might have been related to the damage done by the virus, or not, but in any event, he greatly outlived all predictions. We were repeatedly told to put him down when he was one, and I just refused. Your cat doesn’t seem to be in crisis and it might be best to start him now on 1 mg Winstrol (stanozolol) twice a day plus 50 mg of Doxycycline a day. Our cat was in crisis and almost died when I stumbled upon the effectiveness of Winstrol to help the body produce red cells and stimulate the bone marrow, so after trying just about everything else I could find on the Internet, with nothing working, and after giving him 2 blood transfusions, I had run out of options. I tried Stanozolol, which I happened to have at home for another cat, thinking at best it would make him feel better and increase his appetite. I was absolutely shocked when his hematocrit immediately (and I mean within days) began to climb for the first time in a year of ordeals. We were testing him weekly so I knew exactly what his haematology was showing before the Stanozolol and what happened to his red cells, reticulocytes, and platelets (all of which were very very very low) after we gave him the Winstrol. You will have a devil of a time getting Winstrol and your vets are likely not going to believe you. I hope you have a friendly vet who can assist. Amani -Original Message----- From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Pamela Olkowski Sent: May 18, 2021 2:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] New to felv I am a cat owner my whole life and have no idea about felv. I need help as we have no idea what to expect and my apologies for the long history below. Any comments are greatly appreciated After losing 3 adult cats in a year to rare cancers, we were left with a single 18 month old. We adopted another kitten from a rescue in December when he was 4 months. He was rescued with his mother from a NM shelter and both tested negative for felv/fiv. The foster home kept him about a month after he was neutered and routine immunizations and deworming were completed When having him checked at my general vet, she noted he had enlarged lymph nodes that did no subside even after teething was over. Otherwise Toby was fine. Many tests later he turned up positive for felv on both Elisa and IFA. We brought him to an internal specialist who also said Toby has the antibody for bartonella and we started a month of antibiotics. His lymph nodes have decreased and we will check this week if the second round of antibiotics have decreased further. (14 days on veraflox and 21 days on doxycycline) No other medical issues with Toby who is now 9 months old We were devastated the specialty vet told us we had to re home Toby to keep our other young cat safe. Our primary vet felt since the other cat was exposed for over 3 months and was now negative and vaccinated the risk was low. We kept both but have separate feeding stations but struggling to keep separate water Does anyone have experience keeping these - and + together? Since Toby IFA was positive yet still asymptomatic except enlarged lymph, is there any way to know if he will decline quickly? The internal medicine specialist was very pessimistic said they rarely live beyond 2 years post diagnosis. Toby’s mother and siblings are still negative per the rescue group so I was hoping for a miracle the IFA is wrong, is that possible? Can bartonella skew results ? Thank you so much Pamela Olkowski ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing lis
Re: [Felvtalk] New to felv
Hello Amani, It has been a while. Glad to know you survived the "pandemic". All is well here despite having 2 FELV positive cats. It did not spread to others. I lost one Homey to Hyper thyroid at age 13. Everyone else has passed from old age at 18+. - Original Message - From: Amani Oakley To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, 18 May 2021 14:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New to felv Pamela First, I have kept FeLV positive cats with other cats and never ever had a transfer of the infection. Like you, we didn’t know and the kitten we took in only tested positive when he was a little under a year old. He had been mixing with our other cats for at least ten months - same food and water bowls, sleeping together, etc. I think your primary vet is correct. Keep Toby. With respect to the FeLV, treat with Winstrol + Doxycycline + Prednisone. Our FeLV cat lived to almost 8 years old, and died from a heart condition. The heart condition might have been related to the damage done by the virus, or not, but in any event, he greatly outlived all predictions. We were repeatedly told to put him down when he was one, and I just refused. Your cat doesn’t seem to be in crisis and it might be best to start him now on 1 mg Winstrol (stanozolol) twice a day plus 50 mg of Doxycycline a day. Our cat was in crisis and almost died when I stumbled upon the effectiveness of Winstrol to help the body produce red cells and stimulate the bone marrow, so after trying just about everything else I could find on the Internet, with nothing working, and after giving him 2 blood transfusions, I had run out of options. I tried Stanozolol, which I happened to have at home for another cat, thinking at best it would make him feel better and increase his appetite. I was absolutely shocked when his hematocrit immediately (and I mean within days) began to climb for the first time in a year of ordeals. We were testing him weekly so I knew exactly what his haematology was showing before the Stanozolol and what happened to his red cells, reticulocytes, and platelets (all of which were very very very low) after we gave him the Winstrol. You will have a devil of a time getting Winstrol and your vets are likely not going to believe you. I hope you have a friendly vet who can assist. Amani -Original Message----- From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Pamela Olkowski Sent: May 18, 2021 2:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] New to felv I am a cat owner my whole life and have no idea about felv. I need help as we have no idea what to expect and my apologies for the long history below. Any comments are greatly appreciated After losing 3 adult cats in a year to rare cancers, we were left with a single 18 month old. We adopted another kitten from a rescue in December when he was 4 months. He was rescued with his mother from a NM shelter and both tested negative for felv/fiv. The foster home kept him about a month after he was neutered and routine immunizations and deworming were completed When having him checked at my general vet, she noted he had enlarged lymph nodes that did no subside even after teething was over. Otherwise Toby was fine. Many tests later he turned up positive for felv on both Elisa and IFA. We brought him to an internal specialist who also said Toby has the antibody for bartonella and we started a month of antibiotics. His lymph nodes have decreased and we will check this week if the second round of antibiotics have decreased further. (14 days on veraflox and 21 days on doxycycline) No other medical issues with Toby who is now 9 months old We were devastated the specialty vet told us we had to re home Toby to keep our other young cat safe. Our primary vet felt since the other cat was exposed for over 3 months and was now negative and vaccinated the risk was low. We kept both but have separate feeding stations but struggling to keep separate water Does anyone have experience keeping these - and + together? Since Toby IFA was positive yet still asymptomatic except enlarged lymph, is there any way to know if he will decline quickly? The internal medicine specialist was very pessimistic said they rarely live beyond 2 years post diagnosis. Toby’s mother and siblings are still negative per the rescue group so I was hoping for a miracle the IFA is wrong, is that possible? Can bartonella skew results ? Thank you so much Pamela Olkowski ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailma
[Felvtalk] New to felv
I am a cat owner my whole life and have no idea about felv. I need help as we have no idea what to expect and my apologies for the long history below. Any comments are greatly appreciated After losing 3 adult cats in a year to rare cancers, we were left with a single 18 month old. We adopted another kitten from a rescue in December when he was 4 months. He was rescued with his mother from a NM shelter and both tested negative for felv/fiv. The foster home kept him about a month after he was neutered and routine immunizations and deworming were completed When having him checked at my general vet, she noted he had enlarged lymph nodes that did no subside even after teething was over. Otherwise Toby was fine. Many tests later he turned up positive for felv on both Elisa and IFA. We brought him to an internal specialist who also said Toby has the antibody for bartonella and we started a month of antibiotics. His lymph nodes have decreased and we will check this week if the second round of antibiotics have decreased further. (14 days on veraflox and 21 days on doxycycline) No other medical issues with Toby who is now 9 months old We were devastated the specialty vet told us we had to re home Toby to keep our other young cat safe. Our primary vet felt since the other cat was exposed for over 3 months and was now negative and vaccinated the risk was low. We kept both but have separate feeding stations but struggling to keep separate water Does anyone have experience keeping these - and + together? Since Toby IFA was positive yet still asymptomatic except enlarged lymph, is there any way to know if he will decline quickly? The internal medicine specialist was very pessimistic said they rarely live beyond 2 years post diagnosis. Toby’s mother and siblings are still negative per the rescue group so I was hoping for a miracle the IFA is wrong, is that possible? Can bartonella skew results ? Thank you so much Pamela Olkowski ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New to felv
Pamela First, I have kept FeLV positive cats with other cats and never ever had a transfer of the infection. Like you, we didn’t know and the kitten we took in only tested positive when he was a little under a year old. He had been mixing with our other cats for at least ten months - same food and water bowls, sleeping together, etc. I think your primary vet is correct. Keep Toby. With respect to the FeLV, treat with Winstrol + Doxycycline + Prednisone. Our FeLV cat lived to almost 8 years old, and died from a heart condition. The heart condition might have been related to the damage done by the virus, or not, but in any event, he greatly outlived all predictions. We were repeatedly told to put him down when he was one, and I just refused. Your cat doesn’t seem to be in crisis and it might be best to start him now on 1 mg Winstrol (stanozolol) twice a day plus 50 mg of Doxycycline a day. Our cat was in crisis and almost died when I stumbled upon the effectiveness of Winstrol to help the body produce red cells and stimulate the bone marrow, so after trying just about everything else I could find on the Internet, with nothing working, and after giving him 2 blood transfusions, I had run out of options. I tried Stanozolol, which I happened to have at home for another cat, thinking at best it would make him feel better and increase his appetite. I was absolutely shocked when his hematocrit immediately (and I mean within days) began to climb for the first time in a year of ordeals. We were testing him weekly so I knew exactly what his haematology was showing before the Stanozolol and what happened to his red cells, reticulocytes, and platelets (all of which were very very very low) after we gave him the Winstrol. You will have a devil of a time getting Winstrol and your vets are likely not going to believe you. I hope you have a friendly vet who can assist. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Pamela Olkowski Sent: May 18, 2021 2:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] New to felv I am a cat owner my whole life and have no idea about felv. I need help as we have no idea what to expect and my apologies for the long history below. Any comments are greatly appreciated After losing 3 adult cats in a year to rare cancers, we were left with a single 18 month old. We adopted another kitten from a rescue in December when he was 4 months. He was rescued with his mother from a NM shelter and both tested negative for felv/fiv. The foster home kept him about a month after he was neutered and routine immunizations and deworming were completed When having him checked at my general vet, she noted he had enlarged lymph nodes that did no subside even after teething was over. Otherwise Toby was fine. Many tests later he turned up positive for felv on both Elisa and IFA. We brought him to an internal specialist who also said Toby has the antibody for bartonella and we started a month of antibiotics. His lymph nodes have decreased and we will check this week if the second round of antibiotics have decreased further. (14 days on veraflox and 21 days on doxycycline) No other medical issues with Toby who is now 9 months old We were devastated the specialty vet told us we had to re home Toby to keep our other young cat safe. Our primary vet felt since the other cat was exposed for over 3 months and was now negative and vaccinated the risk was low. We kept both but have separate feeding stations but struggling to keep separate water Does anyone have experience keeping these - and + together? Since Toby IFA was positive yet still asymptomatic except enlarged lymph, is there any way to know if he will decline quickly? The internal medicine specialist was very pessimistic said they rarely live beyond 2 years post diagnosis. Toby’s mother and siblings are still negative per the rescue group so I was hoping for a miracle the IFA is wrong, is that possible? Can bartonella skew results ? Thank you so much Pamela Olkowski ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] RIP Mary Christine/MC/Tenhousecats
So sad to learn of her passing. We need more like her in this world, not just for cats but all animals and children. It seems people today have lost their compassion for other living beings. - Original Message - From: kat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 14:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RIP Mary Christine/MC/Tenhousecats So Sad!! She was such a force for the kitties. I always used to chuckle at her tag line - Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference May she rest in Peace in the comfort of all her kitties that were waiting for her! Kat (Mew Jersey)Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 12:32 PM From: "Marlene Snowman" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RIP Mary Christine/MC/TenhousecatsThank you in sharing the news of her passing and honoring the work that she did, especially her contributions to assisting our furry friends (and within this network). I’m hopeful that she was greeted with many furry friends. M Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2021, at 2:41 AM, Kelley S wrote: > > I just learned of the sad passing of MaryChristine. She was one of the first > and best friends I made on this list. She was a fierce advocate for FELV cats > as well as other special needs cats such as CH kitties. She loved Calicos and > Persians. She also loved dragons and photography. During her later years she > suffered from poor health and was not around very much. She died of Covid in > late January. > > I’m sure there were many happy reunions when she crossed the Bridge. > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] RIP Mary Christine/MC/Tenhousecats
Thank you in sharing the news of her passing and honoring the work that she did, especially her contributions to assisting our furry friends (and within this network). I’m hopeful that she was greeted with many furry friends. M Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2021, at 2:41 AM, Kelley S wrote: > > I just learned of the sad passing of MaryChristine. She was one of the > first and best friends I made on this list. She was a fierce advocate for > FELV cats as well as other special needs cats such as CH kitties. She loved > Calicos and Persians. She also loved dragons and photography. During her > later years she suffered from poor health and was not around very much. She > died of Covid in late January. > > I’m sure there were many happy reunions when she crossed the Bridge. > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] RIP Mary Christine/MC/Tenhousecats
So Sad!! She was such a force for the kitties. I always used to chuckle at her tag line - Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference May she rest in Peace in the comfort of all her kitties that were waiting for her! Kat (Mew Jersey) Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 12:32 PM From: "Marlene Snowman" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RIP Mary Christine/MC/Tenhousecats Thank you in sharing the news of her passing and honoring the work that she did, especially her contributions to assisting our furry friends (and within this network). I’m hopeful that she was greeted with many furry friends. M Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 22, 2021, at 2:41 AM, Kelley S wrote: > > I just learned of the sad passing of MaryChristine. She was one of the first and best friends I made on this list. She was a fierce advocate for FELV cats as well as other special needs cats such as CH kitties. She loved Calicos and Persians. She also loved dragons and photography. During her later years she suffered from poor health and was not around very much. She died of Covid in late January. > > I’m sure there were many happy reunions when she crossed the Bridge. > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] RIP Mary Christine/MC/Tenhousecats
I just learned of the sad passing of MaryChristine. She was one of the first and best friends I made on this list. She was a fierce advocate for FELV cats as well as other special needs cats such as CH kitties. She loved Calicos and Persians. She also loved dragons and photography. During her later years she suffered from poor health and was not around very much. She died of Covid in late January. I’m sure there were many happy reunions when she crossed the Bridge. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Good morning Can you please remove me from this mailing list. Best WishesMirinda Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 9:36, Amani Oakley wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Jennifer – open mouth breathing and pain are also signs of severe anemia. I am sure that Maribel knows her cat and the situation much better than we can ever know it. I think it is important to encourage and support each other when we are trying to save a cat. I know that I have saved far far far too many cats who had been labeled as dying, and not save-able. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Jennifer Minnich Sent: August 6, 2020 3:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) Dear Maribel, for Amy’s sake, If she is not eating for other reasons and can be saved & nursed back to health, that is one thing. IF she is in the actual dying process, in any final stages of dying, you are doing more harm than good with forcing fluids and forcing food down her throat, particularly when she’s telling you to stop with open mouth breathing (clear sign of respiratory distress) and pain (moaning). When a body is dying, it naturally stops eating and drinking... this is coming from hospice and animal hospice experience.Please try to talk to your vets, or research ‘stages of dying’ in order to articulate where amy is at, and not to confuse actual stages of dying signs with other sorts of symptoms of illness ( btw, brighthaven.org<http://brighthaven.org> is an excellent resource for this information and guidance that I have referenced — they also have amazingly compassionate consultations if you need guidance of what to look for...)... Wishing you and Amy love and comfort... Jennifer On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:06 PM, "dlg...@windstream.net<mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>" mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> wrote: have they tested for internal bleeding? maybe is hemoraging. i was syringe feeding my 12 year old Homey. had to cover my lap . i mixed the canned food with warm water so would go through 20ml syringe. then broke my right arm and had to stop,is eating maybe a spoon full each day, just enough to keep her alive. she stopped after some time on Felimazole 2.5mg. also after started giving treats as reward for taking pill. loves the treats but not her food. have tried to mix treats with food in blender, no go. going to try your method of balling up the food. may be neater and get more down her. - Original Message - From: Maribel Piloto mailto:pilo...@bellsouth.net>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 12:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out. I tried to syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started breathing open mouth and moaning. She just gets up to turn positions now and just lays back down. I know she needs another blood transfusion but after paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left. Even that I was only able to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser. They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia. She is neither FIV nor Leuk pos. She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other parasites they tested for. The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by the time I get it she will be gone or too weak. I live in South Florida and cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get that. I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating. One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few sittings though. I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food into a cat who won't eat on her own. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it. Amy is not eating. I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her some subq f
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Do you mean you ordered the Winstrol already from Wedgewood, or are you referring to pain medication being ordered? Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: August 6, 2020 11:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) I ordered it from Wedgewood already. Problem is that even paying $30 for overnighting it they say it won’t get to me until Monday. They need time to compound it and then there’s the weekend. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi On Aug 6, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Sorry Maribel – looking back at your original posting, I see that you ordered the drug from Wedgewood, so my suggestion is not helpful. Have you got anything around for pain in cats? Buprenorphine, Gabapentin, etc.? If Amy is experiencing significant discomfort or pain, alleviating that will put her in a better frame of mind and may help with her appetite. If the vet can’t get you the Winstrol in a hurry, surely he can assist with some pain medication? My vets give me the Buprenorphine in a dermal cream, which can just be rubbed into the inside of the ears. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: August 6, 2020 12:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out. I tried to syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started breathing open mouth and moaning. She just gets up to turn positions now and just lays back down. I know she needs another blood transfusion but after paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left. Even that I was only able to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser. They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia. She is neither FIV nor Leuk pos. She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other parasites they tested for. The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by the time I get it she will be gone or too weak. I live in South Florida and cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get that. I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating. One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few sittings though. I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food into a cat who won't eat on her own. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it. Amy is not eating. I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her some subq fluids. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: > > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They > may be able to order it sooner. > > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander > dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he > needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - > slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander > dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his > behaviour. > > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you > sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an > option. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> > On
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
I ordered it from Wedgewood already. Problem is that even paying $30 for overnighting it they say it won’t get to me until Monday. They need time to compound it and then there’s the weekend. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi > On Aug 6, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > Sorry Maribel – looking back at your original posting, I see that you ordered > the drug from Wedgewood, so my suggestion is not helpful. > > Have you got anything around for pain in cats? Buprenorphine, Gabapentin, > etc.? If Amy is experiencing significant discomfort or pain, alleviating that > will put her in a better frame of mind and may help with her appetite. If the > vet can’t get you the Winstrol in a hurry, surely he can assist with some > pain medication? My vets give me the Buprenorphine in a dermal cream, which > can just be rubbed into the inside of the ears. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel > Piloto > Sent: August 6, 2020 12:39 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) > > The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out. I tried to > syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started > breathing open mouth and moaning. She just gets up to turn positions now > and just lays back down. I know she needs another blood transfusion but > after paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left. Even that I was > only able to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser. > > They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia. She is > neither FIV nor Leuk pos. She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite > and other parasites they tested for. The Winstrol is my last hope but I > fear that by the time I get it she will be gone or too weak. I live in > South Florida and cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around > here where I can't get that. I've been calling every pharmacy in town it > seems. > > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > > On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley > wrote: > > > Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree > that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and > you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating. > > One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft > wet cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open > their mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets > spit back up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have > found that doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a > bit more interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually > after a few sittings though. > > I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food > into a cat who won't eat on her own. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel > Piloto > Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) > > I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order > it. > > Amy is not eating. I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving > her some subq fluids. > > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They > > may be able to order it sooner. > > > > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander > > dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he > > needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - > > slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but > > Zander dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell > > from his behaviour. > > > > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to > > you sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an > > option. > > > > Amani > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel > > Piloto > > Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org &g
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Sorry Maribel – looking back at your original posting, I see that you ordered the drug from Wedgewood, so my suggestion is not helpful. Have you got anything around for pain in cats? Buprenorphine, Gabapentin, etc.? If Amy is experiencing significant discomfort or pain, alleviating that will put her in a better frame of mind and may help with her appetite. If the vet can’t get you the Winstrol in a hurry, surely he can assist with some pain medication? My vets give me the Buprenorphine in a dermal cream, which can just be rubbed into the inside of the ears. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: August 6, 2020 12:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out. I tried to syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started breathing open mouth and moaning. She just gets up to turn positions now and just lays back down. I know she needs another blood transfusion but after paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left. Even that I was only able to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser. They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia. She is neither FIV nor Leuk pos. She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other parasites they tested for. The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by the time I get it she will be gone or too weak. I live in South Florida and cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get that. I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating. One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few sittings though. I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food into a cat who won't eat on her own. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it. Amy is not eating. I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her some subq fluids. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: > > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They > may be able to order it sooner. > > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander > dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he > needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - > slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander > dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his > behaviour. > > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you > sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an > option. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> > On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto > Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) > > Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol. My cat Amy is dying > from anemia - two blood transfusions already. Her HTC was at 17 after the > transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later. I ordered the > drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery > they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday. I need it quickly. > > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > ___
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Maribel - I'm sorry, I didn't see in your original email that you have already been in contact with Wedgewood. Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 5:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol. My cat Amy is dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already. Her HTC was at 17 after the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later. I ordered the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday. I need it quickly. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Hi Maribel - When my beloved kitty Tigger had feline leukemia, I had a very difficult time getting Winstrol anywhere. I finally found a "compounding pharmacy" in Arizona, called Diamondback Drugs. I believe it is called Wedgewood Pharmacy now. Here is a link to their website - https://www.wedgewoodpharmacy.com/about-us/arizona-location.html They are located at 7631 East Indian School Road, Scottsdale, AZ 85251 and their phone is 800-331-8272. They list their hours as Monday through Friday 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. and Saturday 8 a.m. to 3 p.m. I found them extremely helpful and they had Winstrol in different forms and flavors. I chose the liquid in salmon flavor because it was easier to give Tigg liquid than pills. They also shipped overnight and even called later to see how my cat was doing! Amani can give you the details of the regimen she used to treat her Zander with great success. Best of luck to you and Amy!! Thank you, Ardy Robertson Osseo WI 54758 -Original Message----- From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 5:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol. My cat Amy is dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already. Her HTC was at 17 after the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later. I ordered the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday. I need it quickly. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi ___ Felvtalk mailing list <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Maribel I went back at looked at the old emails I have archived, and found that one of the online vet pharmacies recommended by people was Diamondback Pharmacy in Arizona. People were able to get Winstrol in liquid form from them. In looking Diamondback up on the internet, I see another one, Wedgewood Pharmacy, which has testimonials from different placed in the U.S. It may be related to Diamondback. I also see VetRx, an online compounding pharmacy. I just don’t understand why your vet isn’t helping you with this? Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: August 6, 2020 12:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out. I tried to syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started breathing open mouth and moaning. She just gets up to turn positions now and just lays back down. I know she needs another blood transfusion but after paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left. Even that I was only able to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser. They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia. She is neither FIV nor Leuk pos. She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other parasites they tested for. The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by the time I get it she will be gone or too weak. I live in South Florida and cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get that. I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating. One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few sittings though. I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food into a cat who won't eat on her own. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it. Amy is not eating. I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her some subq fluids. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: > > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They > may be able to order it sooner. > > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander > dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he > needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - > slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander > dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his > behaviour. > > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you > sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an > option. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> > On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto > Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) > > Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol. My cat Amy is dying > from anemia - two blood transfusions already. Her HTC was at 17 after the > transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later. I ordered the > drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery > they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday. I need it quickly. > > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > ___
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Dear Maribel, for Amy’s sake, If she is not eating for other reasons and can be saved & nursed back to health, that is one thing. IF she is in the actual dying process, in any final stages of dying, you are doing more harm than good with forcing fluids and forcing food down her throat, particularly when she’s telling you to stop with open mouth breathing (clear sign of respiratory distress) and pain (moaning). When a body is dying, it naturally stops eating and drinking... this is coming from hospice and animal hospice experience.Please try to talk to your vets, or research ‘stages of dying’ in order to articulate where amy is at, and not to confuse actual stages of dying signs with other sorts of symptoms of illness ( btw, brighthaven.org is an excellent resource for this information and guidance that I have referenced — they also have amazingly compassionate consultations if you need guidance of what to look for...)... Wishing you and Amy love and comfort... Jennifer > On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:06 PM, "dlg...@windstream.net" > wrote: > > have they tested for internal bleeding? maybe is hemoraging. i was syringe > feeding my 12 year old Homey. had to cover my lap . i mixed the canned food > with warm water so would go through 20ml syringe. then broke my right arm > and had to stop,is eating maybe a spoon full each day, just enough to keep > her alive. she stopped after some time on Felimazole 2.5mg. also after > started giving treats as reward for taking pill. loves the treats but not > her food. have tried to mix treats with food in blender, no go. going to > try your method of balling up the food. may be neater and get more down her. > > - Original Message - > From: Maribel Piloto > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 12:38:59 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) > > The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out. I tried to > syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started > breathing open mouth and moaning. She just gets up to turn positions now > and just lays back down. I know she needs another blood transfusion but > after paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left. Even that I was > only able to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser. > > They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia. She is > neither FIV nor Leuk pos. She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite > and other parasites they tested for. The Winstrol is my last hope but I > fear that by the time I get it she will be gone or too weak. I live in > South Florida and cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around > here where I can't get that. I've been calling every pharmacy in town it > seems. > > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > > > On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley > wrote: > > > Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree > that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and > you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating. > > One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft > wet cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open > their mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets > spit back up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have > found that doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a > bit more interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually > after a few sittings though. > > I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food > into a cat who won't eat on her own. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel > Piloto > Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) > > I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order > it. > > Amy is not eating. I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving > her some subq fluids. > > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They > > may be able to order it sooner. > > > > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander > > dropped
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
have they tested for internal bleeding? maybe is hemoraging. i was syringe feeding my 12 year old Homey. had to cover my lap . i mixed the canned food with warm water so would go through 20ml syringe. then broke my right arm and had to stop,is eating maybe a spoon full each day, just enough to keep her alive. she stopped after some time on Felimazole 2.5mg. also after started giving treats as reward for taking pill. loves the treats but not her food. have tried to mix treats with food in blender, no go. going to try your method of balling up the food. may be neater and get more down her. - Original Message - From: Maribel Piloto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 12:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out. I tried to syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started breathing open mouth and moaning. She just gets up to turn positions now and just lays back down. I know she needs another blood transfusion but after paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left. Even that I was only able to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser. They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia. She is neither FIV nor Leuk pos. She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other parasites they tested for. The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by the time I get it she will be gone or too weak. I live in South Florida and cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get that. I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley wrote: Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating.One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few sittings though.I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food into a cat who won't eat on her own.Amani-Original Message-From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel PilotoSent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it. Amy is not eating. I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her some subq fluids.Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."-Mohandas Ghandi> On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:> > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They may be able to order it sooner.> > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his behaviour. > > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an option.> > Amani> > -Original Message-> From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto> Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)> > Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol. My cat Amy is dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already. Her HTC was at 17 after the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later. I ordered the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday. I need it quickly.> > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."> -Mohandas Ghandi> > ___> Felvtalk mailing list> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> ___> Felvtalk mailing list> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvt
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
The problem is that force feeding her is stressing her out. I tried to syringe feed her some baby food with liqui-tinic this morning and she started breathing open mouth and moaning. She just gets up to turn positions now and just lays back down. I know she needs another blood transfusion but after paying $3500 for the first two I have no funds left. Even that I was only able to pay with the help from a friend and a GoFundMe fundraiser. They never were able to figure out what is causing the anemia. She is neither FIV nor Leuk pos. She tested negative for a slew of blood parasite and other parasites they tested for. The Winstrol is my last hope but I fear that by the time I get it she will be gone or too weak. I live in South Florida and cannot believe that there isn't a place anywhere around here where I can't get that. I've been calling every pharmacy in town it seems. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi On Wednesday, August 5, 2020, 07:35:28 PM EDT, Amani Oakley wrote: Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating. One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few sittings though. I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food into a cat who won't eat on her own. Amani -Original Message----- From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it. Amy is not eating. I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her some subq fluids. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They > may be able to order it sooner. > > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander > dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he > needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - > slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander > dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his > behaviour. > > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you > sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an > option. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel > Piloto > Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) > > Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol. My cat Amy is dying > from anemia - two blood transfusions already. Her HTC was at 17 after the > transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later. I ordered the > drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery > they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday. I need it quickly. > > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Maribel, I don't have a solution, but I'm sure praying for you and Amy. Sandy W > On 08/05/2020 7:24 PM Maribel Piloto wrote: > > > I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order > it. > > Amy is not eating. I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving > her some subq fluids. > > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They > > may be able to order it sooner. > > > > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander > > dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he > > needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - > > slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but > > Zander dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell > > from his behaviour. > > > > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to > > you sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an > > option. > > > > Amani > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel > > Piloto > > Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) > > > > Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol. My cat Amy is > > dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already. Her HTC was at 17 > > after the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later. I > > ordered the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next > > day delivery they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday. I need it > > quickly. > > > > Maribel > > > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are > > treated." > > -Mohandas Ghandi > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Can you get the vet to call the pharmacy and order the meds urgently? I agree that if Amy is not eating, Winstrol may be helpful on that score as well, and you cannot wait until Monday if she isn’t eating. One thing I learned how to do with cats who weren’t eating is to take soft wet cat food, ball it up into a ball about the size of a marble, pry open their mouths, and lob the food to the back of the throat. Some of it gets spit back up, but once you get the hang of it, most of it goes down. I have found that doing it this way also seems to cause the cat to ultimately get a bit more interested in eating, once some of the food has gone down - usually after a few sittings though. I agree that giving her baby food via syringe is also a good way to get food into a cat who won't eat on her own. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: August 5, 2020 7:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it. Amy is not eating. I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her some subq fluids. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They > may be able to order it sooner. > > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander > dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he > needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - > slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander > dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his > behaviour. > > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you > sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an > option. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel > Piloto > Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) > > Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol. My cat Amy is > dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already. Her HTC was at 17 after > the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later. I ordered > the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery > they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday. I need it quickly. > > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
I had to give my vet instructions on Winstrol and the info on how to order it. Amy is not eating. I’m syringe feeding her baby food, Liqui-tinic, giving her some subq fluids. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi > On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They > may be able to order it sooner. > > However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander > dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he > needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - > slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander > dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his > behaviour. > > Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you > sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an > option. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel > Piloto > Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) > > Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol. My cat Amy is > dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already. Her HTC was at 17 after > the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later. I ordered > the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery > they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday. I need it quickly. > > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
I don’t know of any pharmacies, unless you get it through your vets. They may be able to order it sooner. However, I know it seems like a nerve-wracking time to wait, but my Zander dropped down to a 5 haematocrit and survived. Mind you, at that point, he needed to be in an oxygen tent. Your cat will be all right by next Monday - slow and lethargic and she may have to catch her breath on stairs, but Zander dropped down to 10 after his transfusions, and you couldn’t tell from his behaviour. Obviously, it is better if the vets help you out and get the Winstrol to you sooner so you don’t need to worry, but all is not lost if that isn’t an option. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: August 5, 2020 6:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol) Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol. My cat Amy is dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already. Her HTC was at 17 after the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later. I ordered the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday. I need it quickly. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Winstrol (Stanozolol)
Does anyone know of local pharmacies that sell Winstrol. My cat Amy is dying from anemia - two blood transfusions already. Her HTC was at 17 after the transfusions but is now back down to 11 a few weeks later. I ordered the drug from Wedgewood Pharmacy online but even paying for next day delivery they tell me it won’t get to me until Monday. I need it quickly. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and now Multicentric lymphoma - need advice asap
Thanks for your thoughts, Amani! Much appreciated.
Since I know my vet is going to ask me, is there any research or your
experience you can provide to me so I can provide to my vet? I know you have
probably posted some back up in this group before but, thought it would be
easier to ask you to send rather than trying to search. Thanks again!
-Original Message-
From: Amani Oakley
To: Dianne Robison ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2020 12:09 am
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and now Multicentric lymphoma - need advice asap
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Dianne, I don’t really know about the lymphoma. I can say that I have used the
Winstrol in many different situations in cats. I have found it to be
surprisingly and unexpectedly effective for a wide variety of conditions. I
have used it in a cat with a nasal adenocarcinoma, and the effect was to keep
the tumour shrunken for an extended period of time after radiation therapy. I
am currently using it on a cat with a suspected spinal tumour which has a
significant neurological effect, until I give a high Winstrol dose which has
the immediate effect of correcting the neurological symptoms within 48 hours.
No idea how it is doing it, but the effect is quite pronounced, to the point
that I have had difficulty in getting a neurologist to assess my cat’s
condition since the symptoms disappear within 2 days of giving the Winstrol. I
have had to resort to videotaping the symptoms in order to be able to
demonstrate them to the vets. Thus, I have no idea what the Winstrol will
do, if anything, in the presence of the lymphoma. However, FeLV often causes
the development of lymphoma, so with any luck, by knocking back the virus, it
may have a beneficial effect on the lymphoma. Amani From: Dianne Robison
Sent: July 27, 2020 10:18 PM
To: Amani Oakley ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and now Multicentric lymphoma - need advice asap
Thanks for your quick response, Amani! What are your thoughts about the added
issue of lymphoma? Thanks, Dianne -Original Message-
From: Amani Oakley
To: Dianne Robison ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, Jul 27, 2020 8:36 pm
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and now Multicentric lymphoma - need advice asap
Hi Dianne I recommend starting her on Winstrol, Doxycycline and Prednisone.
Winstrol (Stanozolol) is an anabolic steroid which is amazing in both its
ability to stimulate red cell production from the bone marrow, as well as an
excellent appetite stimulant. Cerenia is not a particularly effective
antibiotic in the circumstances, though the fact that it can be used as a “slow
release” antibiotic is a very good feature. My hypothesis is that Doxycycline
actually works to affect the FeLV virus by preventing its cell wall production
and/or stymies viral reproduction. The Prednisone or Prednisolone acts as an
anti-inflammatory and possible liver protection. Be forewarned that the
Winstrol will likely significantly increase liver enzymes and will very much
alarm the vet. My experience is that the liver enzyme spikes are temporary and
will revert back to normal once the Winstrol is discontinued. The dosages I
recommend are:
- 1 mg x2 per day of Winstrol (However, I have learned that cats have a
remarkably high tolerance for Winstrol, so you could “jump start” the process
by giving 2 mg x2 per day for the first week and then dropping it down to 1 mg
x2 per day.
- 50 mg x2 of Doxycycline, per day
- 5 mg x1 prednisone/prednisolone per day
Run the bloodwork frequently – one a week if possible at the outset
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and now Multicentric lymphoma - need advice asap
Thanks for your quick response, Amani! What are your thoughts about the added
issue of lymphoma?
Thanks,Dianne
-Original Message-
From: Amani Oakley
To: Dianne Robison ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, Jul 27, 2020 8:36 pm
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and now Multicentric lymphoma - need advice asap
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Dianne I recommend starting her on Winstrol, Doxycycline and Prednisone.
Winstrol (Stanozolol) is an anabolic steroid which is amazing in both its
ability to stimulate red cell production from the bone marrow, as well as an
excellent appetite stimulant. Cerenia is not a particularly effective
antibiotic in the circumstances, though the fact that it can be used as a “slow
release” antibiotic is a very good feature. My hypothesis is that Doxycycline
actually works to affect the FeLV virus by preventing its cell wall production
and/or stymies viral reproduction. The Prednisone or Prednisolone acts as an
anti-inflammatory and possible liver protection. Be forewarned that the
Winstrol will likely significantly increase liver enzymes and will very much
alarm the vet. My experience is that the liver enzyme spikes are temporary and
will revert back to normal once the Winstrol is discontinued. The dosages I
recommend are:
- 1 mg x2 per day of Winstrol (However, I have learned that cats have a
remarkably high tolerance for Winstrol, so you could “jump start” the process
by giving 2 mg x2 per day for the first week and then dropping it down to 1 mg
x2 per day.
- 50 mg x2 of Doxycycline, per day
- 5 mg x1 prednisone/prednisolone per day
Run the bloodwork frequently – one a week if possible at the outset, and
see if the results help to guide the dosage of Winstrol. Right now, you
indicate your cat’s haematocrit is 20 which is low but not anywhere near
critical yet. My cat’s haematocrit went down to 5. After several attempts at
blood transfusions, it went only as high as 16. When it dropped back to 10, I
started him on Winstrol/Doxycycline/Prednisolone, out of sheer desperation
(nothing else worked), and got an immediate and wonderful response – the
haematocrit began to climb within days of the first doses of Winstrol. I had
my cat, Zander, on this regime for a year, though at some point during the
course of the year, I dropped the Winstrol down to 1 mg per day. Again, this
was entirely dependent on his bloodwork. For the longest time, every time I
tried to wean down the dose of Winstrol, his haematocrit would immediately drop
as well. It probably took more than 4-6 months before his haematocrit would
stay steady when I reduced the dose of Winstrol, and more than a year before I
could wean him off it completely. However, Zander’s situation in terms of his
haematocrit, was more dire than the blood work you have reported, so you may
not need that long. By the way, the Winstrol actually seemed to “turn back
on” the bone marrow after it seems to have been destroyed by the virus.
Zander’s reticulocyte count was ZERO for more than a year, while we struggled
to find something that worked: blood transfusions, interferon, LTCI injections,
etc. After I started him on the Winstrol, within a few weeks, I was started to
get readings on the reticulocyte counts. Reticulocyte count is a measurement of
how many immature red cells are being produced by bone marrow. Clearly, for
more than a year, Zander was basically producing next to nothing in red cells,
and was kept alive by the blood transfusions we were giving him. Winstrol
can be difficult to get ahold of. Generally, it needs to be specially
compounded by a compounding pharmacy. I used small white pills. Others on this
email group have reported that they have obtained it in liquid form. Good
luck and hopefully your vet will assist. Amani From: Felvtalk
On Behalf Of Dianne Robison
Sent: July 27, 2020 9:00 PM
To: felvtalk
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and now Multicentric lymphoma - need advice asap
Dianne, I don’t really know about the lymphoma. I can say that I have used the Winstrol in many different situations in cats. I have found it to be surprisingly and unexpectedly effective for a wide variety of conditions. I have used it in a cat with a nasal adenocarcinoma, and the effect was to keep the tumour shrunken for an extended period of time after radiation therapy. I am currently using it on a cat with a suspected spinal tumour which has a significant neurological effect, until I give a high Winstrol dose which has the immediate effect of correcting the neurological symptoms within 48 hours. No idea how it is doing it, but the effect is quite pronounced, to the point that I have had difficulty in getting a neurologist to assess my cat’s condition since the symptoms disappear within 2 days of giving the Winstrol. I have had to resort to videotaping the symptoms in order to be able to demonstrate them to the vets. Thus, I have no idea what the Winstrol will do, if anything, in the presence of the lymphoma. However, FeLV often causes the development of lymphoma, so with any luck, by knocking back the virus, it may have a beneficial effect on the lymphoma. Amani From: Dianne Robison Sent: July 27, 2020 10:18 PM To: Amani Oakley ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and now Multicentric lymphoma - need advice asap Thanks for your quick response, Amani! What are your thoughts about the added issue of lymphoma? Thanks, Dianne -Original Message- From: Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> To: Dianne Robison mailto:dbearw...@aol.com>>; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> Sent: Mon, Jul 27, 2020 8:36 pm Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and now Multicentric lymphoma - need advice asap Hi Dianne I recommend starting her on Winstrol, Doxycycline and Prednisone. Winstrol (Stanozolol) is an anabolic steroid which is amazing in both its ability to stimulate red cell production from the bone marrow, as well as an excellent appetite stimulant. Cerenia is not a particularly effective antibiotic in the circumstances, though the fact that it can be used as a “slow release” antibiotic is a very good feature. My hypothesis is that Doxycycline actually works to affect the FeLV virus by preventing its cell wall production and/or stymies viral reproduction. The Prednisone or Prednisolone acts as an anti-inflammatory and possible liver protection. Be forewarned that the Winstrol will likely significantly increase liver enzymes and will very much alarm the vet. My experience is that the liver enzyme spikes are temporary and will revert back to normal once the Winstrol is discontinued. The dosages I recommend are: * 1 mg x2 per day of Winstrol (However, I have learned that cats have a remarkably high tolerance for Winstrol, so you could “jump start” the process by giving 2 mg x2 per day for the first week and then dropping it down to 1 mg x2 per day. * 50 mg x2 of Doxycycline, per day * 5 mg x1 prednisone/prednisolone per day Run the bloodwork frequently – one a week if possible at the outset, and see if the results help to guide the dosage of Winstrol. Right now, you indicate your cat’s haematocrit is 20 which is low but not anywhere near critical yet. My cat’s haematocrit went down to 5. After several attempts at blood transfusions, it went only as high as 16. When it dropped back to 10, I started him on Winstrol/Doxycycline/Prednisolone, out of sheer desperation (nothing else worked), and got an immediate and wonderful response – the haematocrit began to climb within days of the first doses of Winstrol. I had my cat, Zander, on this regime for a year, though at some point during the course of the year, I dropped the Winstrol down to 1 mg per day. Again, this was entirely dependent on his bloodwork. For the longest time, every time I tried to wean down the dose of Winstrol, his haematocrit would immediately drop as well. It probably took more than 4-6 months before his haematocrit would stay steady when I reduced the dose of Winstrol, and more than a year before I could wean him off it completely. However, Zander’s situation in terms of his haematocrit, was more dire than the blood work you have reported, so you may not need that long. By the way, the Winstrol actually seemed to “turn back on” the bone marrow after it seems to have been destroyed by the virus. Zander’s reticulocyte count was ZERO for more than a year, while we struggled to find something that worked: blood transfusions, interferon, LTCI injections, etc. After I started him on the Winstrol, within a few weeks, I was started to get readings on the reticulocyte counts. Reticulocyte count is a measurement of how many immature red cells are being produced by bone marrow. Clearly, for more than a year, Zander was basically producing next to nothing in
[Felvtalk] FeLV+ and now Multicentric lymphoma - need advice asap
Hello and help please. This is our third go around with a Feluek positive and lymphoma (sad to say). Our girl, Ginger, will be 7 years old on Wednesday and has been asymptomatic until now. Her lymph nodes in neck and belly are enlarged ad she stopped eating about 36 hours ago. We took her to doc today who did blood work, xray, needle biopsy of lymph node. Her organ function numbers are all still good but her Hematocrit is 20 and she was dehydrated. We got her fluids, Cerenia and will start her on 5 mg. of prednisone twice a day and an appetitie stimulant in her ear. Thoughts, ideas, suggestions, please! We know time is not on our side and anything you have up your sleeve is welcome. We've gone the feeding tube and chemo route with our first kitty with FeLV and mediastinal lymphoma and it was not good. Thank you so much!Dianne Robison & Ginger ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and now Multicentric lymphoma - need advice asap
Hi Dianne I recommend starting her on Winstrol, Doxycycline and Prednisone. Winstrol (Stanozolol) is an anabolic steroid which is amazing in both its ability to stimulate red cell production from the bone marrow, as well as an excellent appetite stimulant. Cerenia is not a particularly effective antibiotic in the circumstances, though the fact that it can be used as a “slow release” antibiotic is a very good feature. My hypothesis is that Doxycycline actually works to affect the FeLV virus by preventing its cell wall production and/or stymies viral reproduction. The Prednisone or Prednisolone acts as an anti-inflammatory and possible liver protection. Be forewarned that the Winstrol will likely significantly increase liver enzymes and will very much alarm the vet. My experience is that the liver enzyme spikes are temporary and will revert back to normal once the Winstrol is discontinued. The dosages I recommend are: * 1 mg x2 per day of Winstrol (However, I have learned that cats have a remarkably high tolerance for Winstrol, so you could “jump start” the process by giving 2 mg x2 per day for the first week and then dropping it down to 1 mg x2 per day. * 50 mg x2 of Doxycycline, per day * 5 mg x1 prednisone/prednisolone per day Run the bloodwork frequently – one a week if possible at the outset, and see if the results help to guide the dosage of Winstrol. Right now, you indicate your cat’s haematocrit is 20 which is low but not anywhere near critical yet. My cat’s haematocrit went down to 5. After several attempts at blood transfusions, it went only as high as 16. When it dropped back to 10, I started him on Winstrol/Doxycycline/Prednisolone, out of sheer desperation (nothing else worked), and got an immediate and wonderful response – the haematocrit began to climb within days of the first doses of Winstrol. I had my cat, Zander, on this regime for a year, though at some point during the course of the year, I dropped the Winstrol down to 1 mg per day. Again, this was entirely dependent on his bloodwork. For the longest time, every time I tried to wean down the dose of Winstrol, his haematocrit would immediately drop as well. It probably took more than 4-6 months before his haematocrit would stay steady when I reduced the dose of Winstrol, and more than a year before I could wean him off it completely. However, Zander’s situation in terms of his haematocrit, was more dire than the blood work you have reported, so you may not need that long. By the way, the Winstrol actually seemed to “turn back on” the bone marrow after it seems to have been destroyed by the virus. Zander’s reticulocyte count was ZERO for more than a year, while we struggled to find something that worked: blood transfusions, interferon, LTCI injections, etc. After I started him on the Winstrol, within a few weeks, I was started to get readings on the reticulocyte counts. Reticulocyte count is a measurement of how many immature red cells are being produced by bone marrow. Clearly, for more than a year, Zander was basically producing next to nothing in red cells, and was kept alive by the blood transfusions we were giving him. Winstrol can be difficult to get ahold of. Generally, it needs to be specially compounded by a compounding pharmacy. I used small white pills. Others on this email group have reported that they have obtained it in liquid form. Good luck and hopefully your vet will assist. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Dianne Robison Sent: July 27, 2020 9:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and now Multicentric lymphoma - need advice asap Hello and help please. This is our third go around with a Feluek positive and lymphoma (sad to say). Our girl, Ginger, will be 7 years old on Wednesday and has been asymptomatic until now. Her lymph nodes in neck and belly are enlarged ad she stopped eating about 36 hours ago. We took her to doc today who did blood work, xray, needle biopsy of lymph node. Her organ function numbers are all still good but her Hematocrit is 20 and she was dehydrated. We got her fluids, Cerenia and will start her on 5 mg. of prednisone twice a day and an appetitie stimulant in her ear. Thoughts, ideas, suggestions, please! We know time is not on our side and anything you have up your sleeve is welcome. We've gone the feeding tube and chemo route with our first kitty with FeLV and mediastinal lymphoma and it was not good. Thank you so much! Dianne Robison & Ginger ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Progress
Hi Sherri I am beyond thrilled that the Winstrol/Prednisone/Doxy combination has helped with Bogey, particularly given the extremely poor shape that Bogey was in when you started the treatment. I am surprised at the low doses, but whatever works for you is wonderful. You are doing it just right, checking her blood levels and adjusting the dosage thereafter. Good luck to you and to Bogey, and thank you for working so hard to give Bogey a fighting chance. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: February 12, 2020 12:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Progress Good afternoon everyone. I was a pretty active person on this board when my new stray kitten Bogey was diagnosed as FELV+ in 2016. We had a rough go of it the first six months and you all were very helpful and kind and I can't thank you enough for that. The information was invaluable. I have become ill myself since that time so I fell off the planet for a bit but I wanted to take a moment to let you know about my girl. Bogey is doing very well. 8/2016 - 1/2019 she had been taking 1mg of Winstrol (half of a capsule) and a half of a Prednisilone. (sp) I also treated her with a series of Doxy (7 days) once every 3 months. These dosages seem low but anything higher made her liver very sick and she was only barely 5 pounds initially. When I took her for her biannual Chem 17 test 1/2019 ALL of her levels were completely normal. She has gained about 3.5 pounds and has really thrived. She went almost 4 months last year without the need of any kind of treatment. Her numbers dropped a bit last in November, just the low side of normal and but very low platelets. So she is getting just the Winstrol 4 times a month. I will know next week at her checkup if that needs to be increased. My vet says that this is not uncommon in the winter months...hibernation/longer nights/colder temps. So here we are. I am so thankful that we found a vet willing to try to save her by prescribing these meds for her. She was failing so fast that I know she would have been gone years ago. Nothing felt as good as sending her blood test results and a photo of her to our original vet that said she should be destroyed because there were "plenty of other healthy cats that need homes". Best to all. Sherri & Bogey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Progress
So happy to hear this Sherri. Very hard to take some of those vet comments so it must have felt wonderful to send a healthy picture and good report. Continued Best for you and Bogey!! She's lucky she has you! At the moment, all my strays are healthy and FELV-free, and I still miss my Tigger who passed from FELV in 2016. Had I been able to get going on the Winstrol, Prednisolone, Doxy regimen sooner, I'm convinced he would still be with us. Ardy Robertson -Original Message- From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 11:56 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Progress Good afternoon everyone. I was a pretty active person on this board when my new stray kitten Bogey was diagnosed as FELV+ in 2016. We had a rough go of it the first six months and you all were very helpful and kind and I can't thank you enough for that. The information was invaluable. I have become ill myself since that time so I fell off the planet for a bit but I wanted to take a moment to let you know about my girl. Bogey is doing very well. 8/2016 - 1/2019 she had been taking 1mg of Winstrol (half of a capsule) and a half of a Prednisilone. (sp) I also treated her with a series of Doxy (7 days) once every 3 months. These dosages seem low but anything higher made her liver very sick and she was only barely 5 pounds initially. When I took her for her biannual Chem 17 test 1/2019 ALL of her levels were completely normal. She has gained about 3.5 pounds and has really thrived. She went almost 4 months last year without the need of any kind of treatment. Her numbers dropped a bit last in November, just the low side of normal and but very low platelets. So she is getting just the Winstrol 4 times a month. I will know next week at her checkup if that needs to be increased. My vet says that this is not uncommon in the winter months...hibernation/longer nights/colder temps. So here we are. I am so thankful that we found a vet willing to try to save her by prescribing these meds for her. She was failing so fast that I know she would have been gone years ago. Nothing felt as good as sending her blood test results and a photo of her to our original vet that said she should be destroyed because there were "plenty of other healthy cats that need homes". Best to all. Sherri & Bogey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Progress
Sherri, I can't find the words to describe how your great news makes me feel. Thankfully, your vet was willing to try and not just write her off. Goodspeed to you and Bogey, Sandy W > On February 12, 2020 at 12:55 PM Sherri Godschalk > wrote: > > > Good afternoon everyone. I was a pretty active person on this board when > my new stray kitten Bogey was diagnosed as FELV+ in 2016. We had a rough > go of it the first six months and you all were very helpful and kind and > I can't thank you enough for that. The information was invaluable. I > have become ill myself since that time so I fell off the planet for a > bit but I wanted to take a moment to let you know about my girl. > > Bogey is doing very well. 8/2016 - 1/2019 she had been taking 1mg of > Winstrol (half of a capsule) and a half of a Prednisilone. (sp) I also > treated her with a series of Doxy (7 days) once every 3 months. These > dosages seem low but anything higher made her liver very sick and she > was only barely 5 pounds initially. > > When I took her for her biannual Chem 17 test 1/2019 ALL of her levels > were completely normal. She has gained about 3.5 pounds and has really > thrived. She went almost 4 months last year without the need of any kind > of treatment. Her numbers dropped a bit last in November, just the low > side of normal and but very low platelets. So she is getting just the > Winstrol 4 times a month. I will know next week at her checkup if that > needs to be increased. My vet says that this is not uncommon in the > winter months...hibernation/longer nights/colder temps. > > So here we are. I am so thankful that we found a vet willing to try to > save her by prescribing these meds for her. She was failing so fast that > I know she would have been gone years ago. Nothing felt as good as > sending her blood test results and a photo of her to our original vet > that said she should be destroyed because there were "plenty of other > healthy cats that need homes". > > Best to all. > > Sherri & Bogey > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Progress
That is wonderful news!! It is hard to hear anyone ignore the small picture for the big picture; thinking it will stop the problem for the pets in need while we try to save the one. Hugs and kisses to Bogey! On Wed, Feb 12, 2020, 12:56 PM Sherri Godschalk wrote: > Good afternoon everyone. I was a pretty active person on this board when > my new stray kitten Bogey was diagnosed as FELV+ in 2016. We had a rough > go of it the first six months and you all were very helpful and kind and > I can't thank you enough for that. The information was invaluable. I > have become ill myself since that time so I fell off the planet for a > bit but I wanted to take a moment to let you know about my girl. > > Bogey is doing very well. 8/2016 - 1/2019 she had been taking 1mg of > Winstrol (half of a capsule) and a half of a Prednisilone. (sp) I also > treated her with a series of Doxy (7 days) once every 3 months. These > dosages seem low but anything higher made her liver very sick and she > was only barely 5 pounds initially. > > When I took her for her biannual Chem 17 test 1/2019 ALL of her levels > were completely normal. She has gained about 3.5 pounds and has really > thrived. She went almost 4 months last year without the need of any kind > of treatment. Her numbers dropped a bit last in November, just the low > side of normal and but very low platelets. So she is getting just the > Winstrol 4 times a month. I will know next week at her checkup if that > needs to be increased. My vet says that this is not uncommon in the > winter months...hibernation/longer nights/colder temps. > > So here we are. I am so thankful that we found a vet willing to try to > save her by prescribing these meds for her. She was failing so fast that > I know she would have been gone years ago. Nothing felt as good as > sending her blood test results and a photo of her to our original vet > that said she should be destroyed because there were "plenty of other > healthy cats that need homes". > > Best to all. > > Sherri & Bogey > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Progress
Thank you for sticking with her and giving her a chance to live. We need to educate vets that all deserve a chance to live. - Original Message - From: Sherri Godschalk To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 12:55:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Progress Good afternoon everyone. I was a pretty active person on this board when my new stray kitten Bogey was diagnosed as FELV+ in 2016. We had a rough go of it the first six months and you all were very helpful and kind and I can't thank you enough for that. The information was invaluable. I have become ill myself since that time so I fell off the planet for a bit but I wanted to take a moment to let you know about my girl. Bogey is doing very well. 8/2016 - 1/2019 she had been taking 1mg of Winstrol (half of a capsule) and a half of a Prednisilone. (sp) I also treated her with a series of Doxy (7 days) once every 3 months. These dosages seem low but anything higher made her liver very sick and she was only barely 5 pounds initially. When I took her for her biannual Chem 17 test 1/2019 ALL of her levels were completely normal. She has gained about 3.5 pounds and has really thrived. She went almost 4 months last year without the need of any kind of treatment. Her numbers dropped a bit last in November, just the low side of normal and but very low platelets. So she is getting just the Winstrol 4 times a month. I will know next week at her checkup if that needs to be increased. My vet says that this is not uncommon in the winter months...hibernation/longer nights/colder temps. So here we are. I am so thankful that we found a vet willing to try to save her by prescribing these meds for her. She was failing so fast that I know she would have been gone years ago. Nothing felt as good as sending her blood test results and a photo of her to our original vet that said she should be destroyed because there were "plenty of other healthy cats that need homes". Best to all. Sherri & Bogey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Bogey's Progress
Good afternoon everyone. I was a pretty active person on this board when my new stray kitten Bogey was diagnosed as FELV+ in 2016. We had a rough go of it the first six months and you all were very helpful and kind and I can't thank you enough for that. The information was invaluable. I have become ill myself since that time so I fell off the planet for a bit but I wanted to take a moment to let you know about my girl. Bogey is doing very well. 8/2016 - 1/2019 she had been taking 1mg of Winstrol (half of a capsule) and a half of a Prednisilone. (sp) I also treated her with a series of Doxy (7 days) once every 3 months. These dosages seem low but anything higher made her liver very sick and she was only barely 5 pounds initially. When I took her for her biannual Chem 17 test 1/2019 ALL of her levels were completely normal. She has gained about 3.5 pounds and has really thrived. She went almost 4 months last year without the need of any kind of treatment. Her numbers dropped a bit last in November, just the low side of normal and but very low platelets. So she is getting just the Winstrol 4 times a month. I will know next week at her checkup if that needs to be increased. My vet says that this is not uncommon in the winter months...hibernation/longer nights/colder temps. So here we are. I am so thankful that we found a vet willing to try to save her by prescribing these meds for her. She was failing so fast that I know she would have been gone years ago. Nothing felt as good as sending her blood test results and a photo of her to our original vet that said she should be destroyed because there were "plenty of other healthy cats that need homes". Best to all. Sherri & Bogey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil
Patricia – if you can get a prescription for Betaderm skin cream, it does wonders on skin lesions and improvements are often very quick. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: November 15, 2019 6:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil Hi, Vet thinks his neck could be an allergy, it could explain eosinophilia. It is really better after 6 days: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PtCRepqe0VY/Xc7_27r0i2I/xVM/r4LH1nzSuZoqBqn0R6TvDy_XeJRS4-oyACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/ferrero_antes_depois.jpg Retromad isn´t available here. Interferon is available, it was used frequently in the past. Today isn´t so common brazilian vets prescribe it. I´ll search about, thank you! Patrícia Em qui., 14 de nov. de 2019 às 21:23, Lorraine Johnston mailto:johnston1...@comcast.net>> escreveu: Hi, Let’s hope he seroconverts to negative, eh? But just in case, you might want to discuss oral dosing of human interferon alfa (*) with your vet(s). Here’s a recent study showing some efficacy against feline leukemia virus: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6783854/ An analysis of these findings can be seen here: http://fivtherapy.com/fiv_news.htm The oral dosing must be given withOUT food. (*Human interferon alfa, if injected into a cat, will eventually cause a serious allergic reaction. Oral dosing does not appear to have that risk.) Also, some rescue groups are using RetroMad1, an antiviral developed in Malaysia, for FELV cats with some success. You can email me privately for the email address of a rescuer who is willing to discuss this therapy with others. The eosinophilia could indicate an allergic response. In some cases it can indicate intestinal parasites, though I believe that finding is more common for reptiles than mammals. Best regards, - Lorraine "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no one can imagine." - Alan Turing . . . . . . . . . . . Hello! Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued. Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens and this one tested positive for felv. I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic kittens. Do you have any suggestions? He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is increasing, good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury but is already much better. Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), everything else normal. We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then? Thank you very much! Patrícia Santos/SP/Brazil ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil
But Pam – even without symptoms, if a cat is FeLV+ - and particularly if it’s a kitten, then every vet knows that prognosis is grim. Why wait to treat? In the majority of cases, a cat will not come through a feline leukemia infection. If the cat is an adult, then I agree that the infection may not be active. Many adult cats who contract feline leukemia, will not develop the infection but may undergo a subclinical course and remain seroconverted. But if it’s a kitten, this is when they’re vulnerable to a feline leukemia infection and unlikely to survive. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Pam Doore Sent: November 15, 2019 8:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil Thank you. I have a great relationship with our vets but I am not sure I could get them to do that but will have the discussion the next time I have a felv+. ~~@~@~@~@~@ Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 8:03 PM Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: First, my vet has a lot of confidence in me and I have been right so many times, she really doesn’t question me anymore. Unfortunately, as my last email stated, I can no longer get the Winstrol from my vets because the compounding pharmacy which supplies the vets, no longer is carrying it. I now order it online, but it is in human strength. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Pam Doore Sent: November 15, 2019 6:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil Amani, How do you get your vet to prescribe medication for a pet that has no outward symptoms to be treating? -Pam On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 3:27 PM Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Patricia – I speak just for myself, based on my experience with my FeLV kitten. I personally would not wait. If I ever had the chance to do it all again, I would have started my kitten on treatment for FeLV well before he had his crash, months after we learned he was FeLV positive. This virus is not just sitting quietly. It is doing damage, even if we can’t see immediately see it. The cat’s system compensates and compensates and compensates until a tipping point is reached and the cat has a catastrophic event. This is when we run to the vets, get blood work done which shows horrible results, and all sorts of heroic efforts (blood transfusions, experimental treatments, etc.) are then hysterically initiated. Many many times, it is too late, and no matter what we do, we can’t drag these tiny little angels back from the brink. In my cat’s case, even though I was able to drag him back from the abyss, the virus nonetheless had done a lot of damage to his body. He ended up dying at a very young 7 years of age. We loved him so much, and we got six more years with him, but it was nowhere near enough. He died, ultimately, from a terribly scarred heart. We don’t know for sure, of course, but it is likely that the virus was able to damage his heart, before we were able to defeat the virus, much damage had been done to his body. If it were me, I would start your kitten on Winstrol/Prednisone/Doxycycline even if there are no symptoms. I would not wait for the shoe to drop. I would not bet on the virus not causing a problem. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: November 14, 2019 4:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil Hello! Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued. Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens and this one tested positive for felv. I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic kittens. Do you have any suggestions? He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is increasing, good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury but is already much better. Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), everything else normal. We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then? Thank you very much! Patrícia Santos/SP/Brazil ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil
Thank you. I have a great relationship with our vets but I am not sure I could get them to do that but will have the discussion the next time I have a felv+. ~~@~@~@~@~@ *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — **St. Patrick* On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 8:03 PM Amani Oakley wrote: > First, my vet has a lot of confidence in me and I have been right so many > times, she really doesn’t question me anymore. Unfortunately, as my last > email stated, I can no longer get the Winstrol from my vets because the > compounding pharmacy which supplies the vets, no longer is carrying it. I > now order it online, but it is in human strength. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of *Pam > Doore > *Sent:* November 15, 2019 6:25 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil > > > > Amani, How do you get your vet to prescribe medication for a pet that has > no outward symptoms to be treating? > > > > -Pam > > > > On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 3:27 PM Amani Oakley > wrote: > > Patricia – I speak just for myself, based on my experience with my FeLV > kitten. I personally would not wait. If I ever had the chance to do it all > again, I would have started my kitten on treatment for FeLV well before he > had his crash, months after we learned he was FeLV positive. > > > > This virus is not just sitting quietly. It is doing damage, even if we > can’t see immediately see it. The cat’s system compensates and compensates > and compensates until a tipping point is reached and the cat has a > catastrophic event. This is when we run to the vets, get blood work done > which shows horrible results, and all sorts of heroic efforts (blood > transfusions, experimental treatments, etc.) are then hysterically > initiated. Many many times, it is too late, and no matter what we do, we > can’t drag these tiny little angels back from the brink. > > > > In my cat’s case, even though I was able to drag him back from the abyss, > the virus nonetheless had done a lot of damage to his body. He ended up > dying at a very young 7 years of age. We loved him so much, and we got six > more years with him, but it was nowhere near enough. He died, ultimately, > from a terribly scarred heart. We don’t know for sure, of course, but it is > likely that the virus was able to damage his heart, before we were able to > defeat the virus, much damage had been done to his body. > > > > If it were me, I would start your kitten on > Winstrol/Prednisone/Doxycycline even if there are no symptoms. I would not > wait for the shoe to drop. I would not bet on the virus not causing a > problem. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* November 14, 2019 4:53 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil > > > > > Hello! > > > Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued. > > Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens > and this one tested positive for felv. > > I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic > kittens. Do you have any suggestions? > > > > He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is > increasing, good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury > but is already much better. > > > > Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), > everything else normal. > > > > We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then? > > > > Thank you very much! > > > > > > Patrícia > > Santos/SP/Brazil > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil
First, my vet has a lot of confidence in me and I have been right so many times, she really doesn’t question me anymore. Unfortunately, as my last email stated, I can no longer get the Winstrol from my vets because the compounding pharmacy which supplies the vets, no longer is carrying it. I now order it online, but it is in human strength. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Pam Doore Sent: November 15, 2019 6:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil Amani, How do you get your vet to prescribe medication for a pet that has no outward symptoms to be treating? -Pam On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 3:27 PM Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Patricia – I speak just for myself, based on my experience with my FeLV kitten. I personally would not wait. If I ever had the chance to do it all again, I would have started my kitten on treatment for FeLV well before he had his crash, months after we learned he was FeLV positive. This virus is not just sitting quietly. It is doing damage, even if we can’t see immediately see it. The cat’s system compensates and compensates and compensates until a tipping point is reached and the cat has a catastrophic event. This is when we run to the vets, get blood work done which shows horrible results, and all sorts of heroic efforts (blood transfusions, experimental treatments, etc.) are then hysterically initiated. Many many times, it is too late, and no matter what we do, we can’t drag these tiny little angels back from the brink. In my cat’s case, even though I was able to drag him back from the abyss, the virus nonetheless had done a lot of damage to his body. He ended up dying at a very young 7 years of age. We loved him so much, and we got six more years with him, but it was nowhere near enough. He died, ultimately, from a terribly scarred heart. We don’t know for sure, of course, but it is likely that the virus was able to damage his heart, before we were able to defeat the virus, much damage had been done to his body. If it were me, I would start your kitten on Winstrol/Prednisone/Doxycycline even if there are no symptoms. I would not wait for the shoe to drop. I would not bet on the virus not causing a problem. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: November 14, 2019 4:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil Hello! Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued. Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens and this one tested positive for felv. I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic kittens. Do you have any suggestions? He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is increasing, good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury but is already much better. Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), everything else normal. We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then? Thank you very much! Patrícia Santos/SP/Brazil ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil
Hi Patricia. Very interesting to hear about the effect of the Stanozolol on the elderly cat. I have used it in many other situations, and it often helps dramatically. I have a cat right now, and sadly, I am quite convinced he has a spinal tumour. Over the years, since he was a kitten, he has had bouts of very very serious symptoms, where his back end sways and he cannot stand up. He walks like he is drunk and cannot stay upright. He also shows a significant head tremor. So I started giving him Stanozolol, and every time I give it to him, the symptoms disappear entirely. In fact, so entirely, that I cannot get him properly investigated if I give him any Winstrol. Recently, he had one of these terrible and scary bouts, and he was looking awful. It was so upsetting to watch him so gave him one capsule. I am now being forced to use human strength Winstrol since the compounding pharmacy supplying the vets recently discontinued carrying Winstrol. The human capsule is many times stronger, but I have found that giving my cat smaller doses of the capsule, is not at all effective and my research showed that athletes use this stuff at 1,000 x or higher normal doses with no negative effects. So I now give him the whole capsule, but only one every few days. That single one capsule wiped out his symptoms. I had taken him to the vets a few days after I gave him the capsule, and the vet could see the back-end weakness still, although the weakness was already better than it had been the previous weekend. The vet made an appointment for me for another MRI and neurology consult, for two weeks later. (Supposed to be on November 25th and the symptoms were on the weekend of November 2/3). But there is nothing left to show now and I am going to have to reschedule the appointment and wait for the symptoms to return so the neurologist can actually witness them. All this to say that the Winstrol is quite impressive, and in my opinion, it is acting to allow my cat compensate for something going on in his spine, which would otherwise have my cat collapsing and unable to walk. Patricia, the medication combination I used with my FeLV cat does, I believe, effects the virus. I have researched Doxycycline, and it is effective against organisms that are very different than the usual microorganisms which are targeted by antibiotics. Antibiotics are known to be effective, largely against bacterial and obviously not viruses. Doxycycline, on the other hand, has been found to be effective against a number of viruses and a number of parasites. Having researched this, and understanding that this is nothing more than my own personal hypothesis, based on the weekly blood work I ran on my FeLV cat, I believe that the effect of the Doxycycline and the Winstrol combination is that the Winstrol strengthens the cat’s bone marrow, allowing for red cells, white cells and platelets to be regenerated. This buys time. In the meantime, the Doxycycline is preventing the virus from reproducing by interfering with cell wall synthesis of the virus. So the combination of the freezing of viral replication, and the enabling of bone marrow regeneration, may be how these meds help FeLV cats. That is also why waiting until the cat crashes and demonstrates terrible red cell counts and abnormal white cells, etc., to start the treatment, is often not successful. If the cat’s body is too damaged by the virus or the bone marrow is too far gone, then it could be anticipated that the treatment will not work. At the very least Patricia, I would put Ferrero on the Doxycycline. Thank you also for letting me know of the good result you have seen so far on the older stray, and thank you for doing all that you’re doing for these poor babies in Brazil. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: November 15, 2019 6:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil Hi, Amani! You know, i am using stanozolol with an elderly fiv cat rescued some weeks ago. She was inside a box, in the street, and couldn´t even support her own weight. Anemic, huge infeccion ( more than 40.000 leukocytes!). Now she is walking almost normal, no more anemia, progressing day by day :) I am very grateful for finding out stanozolol through this mailing list. About Ferrero (felv kitten), i was hoping there was something that could help him to eliminate virus. I didn´t think about felv treatment for now. Maybe I'm being too optimistic? :( This is Ferrero: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-y_Q8LLhYoxk/Xc7_9WuIMeI/xVQ/9_B4ofolnSsC5E36Q41guTu-CoeRjbT3wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/IMG_20191115_130925.jpg Thank you! Patrícia Em sex., 15 de nov. de 2019 às 17:32, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu: Patricia – I speak just for myself, based on my experience with my FeLV kitten. I personally would not wait. If I ever had the chance to do it all again, I would have started my
Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil
I fully agree with Amani > On November 15, 2019 at 3:27 PM Amani Oakley wrote: > > > Patricia – I speak just for myself, based on my experience with my FeLV > kitten. I personally would not wait. If I ever had the chance to do it all > again, I would have started my kitten on treatment for FeLV well before he > had his crash, months after we learned he was FeLV positive. > > > > This virus is not just sitting quietly. It is doing damage, even if we > can’t see immediately see it. The cat’s system compensates and compensates > and compensates until a tipping point is reached and the cat has a > catastrophic event. This is when we run to the vets, get blood work done > which shows horrible results, and all sorts of heroic efforts (blood > transfusions, experimental treatments, etc.) are then hysterically initiated. > Many many times, it is too late, and no matter what we do, we can’t drag > these tiny little angels back from the brink. > > > > In my cat’s case, even though I was able to drag him back from the abyss, > the virus nonetheless had done a lot of damage to his body. He ended up dying > at a very young 7 years of age. We loved him so much, and we got six more > years with him, but it was nowhere near enough. He died, ultimately, from a > terribly scarred heart. We don’t know for sure, of course, but it is likely > that the virus was able to damage his heart, before we were able to defeat > the virus, much damage had been done to his body. > > > > If it were me, I would start your kitten on > Winstrol/Prednisone/Doxycycline even if there are no symptoms. I would not > wait for the shoe to drop. I would not bet on the virus not causing a problem. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of > Patricia Oliveira > Sent: November 14, 2019 4:53 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil > > > > > Hello! > > > Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued. > > Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued > kittens and this one tested positive for felv. > > I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic > kittens. Do you have any suggestions? > > > > He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is > increasing, good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury > but is already much better. > > > > Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), > everything else normal. > > > > We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then? > > > > Thank you very much! > > > > > > Patrícia > > Santos/SP/Brazil > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil
Hi, Amani! You know, i am using stanozolol with an elderly fiv cat rescued some weeks ago. She was inside a box, in the street, and couldn´t even support her own weight. Anemic, huge infeccion ( more than 40.000 leukocytes!). Now she is walking almost normal, no more anemia, progressing day by day :) I am very grateful for finding out stanozolol through this mailing list. About Ferrero (felv kitten), i was hoping there was something that could help him to eliminate virus. I didn´t think about felv treatment for now. Maybe I'm being too optimistic? :( This is Ferrero: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-y_Q8LLhYoxk/Xc7_9WuIMeI/xVQ/9_B4ofolnSsC5E36Q41guTu-CoeRjbT3wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/IMG_20191115_130925.jpg Thank you! Patrícia Em sex., 15 de nov. de 2019 às 17:32, Amani Oakley escreveu: > Patricia – I speak just for myself, based on my experience with my FeLV > kitten. I personally would not wait. If I ever had the chance to do it all > again, I would have started my kitten on treatment for FeLV well before he > had his crash, months after we learned he was FeLV positive. > > > > This virus is not just sitting quietly. It is doing damage, even if we > can’t see immediately see it. The cat’s system compensates and compensates > and compensates until a tipping point is reached and the cat has a > catastrophic event. This is when we run to the vets, get blood work done > which shows horrible results, and all sorts of heroic efforts (blood > transfusions, experimental treatments, etc.) are then hysterically > initiated. Many many times, it is too late, and no matter what we do, we > can’t drag these tiny little angels back from the brink. > > > > In my cat’s case, even though I was able to drag him back from the abyss, > the virus nonetheless had done a lot of damage to his body. He ended up > dying at a very young 7 years of age. We loved him so much, and we got six > more years with him, but it was nowhere near enough. He died, ultimately, > from a terribly scarred heart. We don’t know for sure, of course, but it is > likely that the virus was able to damage his heart, before we were able to > defeat the virus, much damage had been done to his body. > > > > If it were me, I would start your kitten on > Winstrol/Prednisone/Doxycycline even if there are no symptoms. I would not > wait for the shoe to drop. I would not bet on the virus not causing a > problem. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of > *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* November 14, 2019 4:53 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil > > > > > Hello! > > > Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued. > > Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens > and this one tested positive for felv. > > I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic > kittens. Do you have any suggestions? > > > > He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is > increasing, good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury > but is already much better. > > > > Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), > everything else normal. > > > > We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then? > > > > Thank you very much! > > > > > > Patrícia > > Santos/SP/Brazil > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil
Hi, Vet thinks his neck could be an allergy, it could explain eosinophilia. It is really better after 6 days: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PtCRepqe0VY/Xc7_27r0i2I/xVM/r4LH1nzSuZoqBqn0R6TvDy_XeJRS4-oyACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/ferrero_antes_depois.jpg Retromad isn´t available here. Interferon is available, it was used frequently in the past. Today isn´t so common brazilian vets prescribe it. I´ll search about, thank you! Patrícia Em qui., 14 de nov. de 2019 às 21:23, Lorraine Johnston < johnston1...@comcast.net> escreveu: > Hi, > > > > Let’s hope he seroconverts to negative, eh? But just in case, you might > want to discuss oral dosing of human interferon alfa (*) with your vet(s). > Here’s a recent study showing some efficacy against feline leukemia virus: > > > > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6783854/ > > > > An analysis of these findings can be seen here: > http://fivtherapy.com/fiv_news.htm > > > > The oral dosing must be given withOUT food. > > > > (*Human interferon alfa, if injected into a cat, will eventually cause a > serious allergic reaction. Oral dosing does not appear to have that risk.) > > > > Also, some rescue groups are using RetroMad1, an antiviral developed in > Malaysia, for FELV cats with some success. You can email me privately for > the email address of a rescuer who is willing to discuss this therapy with > others. > > > > The eosinophilia could indicate an allergic response. In some cases it can > indicate intestinal parasites, though I believe that finding is more common > for reptiles than mammals. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > - Lorraine > > > > "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the > things no one can imagine." - Alan Turing > > > > . . . . . . . . . . . > > > Hello! > > > Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued. > > Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens > and this one tested positive for felv. > > I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic > kittens. Do you have any suggestions? > > > > He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is > increasing, good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury > but is already much better. > > > > Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), > everything else normal. > > > > We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then? > > > > Thank you very much! > > > > > > Patrícia > > Santos/SP/Brazil > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil
Amani, How do you get your vet to prescribe medication for a pet that has no outward symptoms to be treating? -Pam On Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 3:27 PM Amani Oakley wrote: > Patricia – I speak just for myself, based on my experience with my FeLV > kitten. I personally would not wait. If I ever had the chance to do it all > again, I would have started my kitten on treatment for FeLV well before he > had his crash, months after we learned he was FeLV positive. > > > > This virus is not just sitting quietly. It is doing damage, even if we > can’t see immediately see it. The cat’s system compensates and compensates > and compensates until a tipping point is reached and the cat has a > catastrophic event. This is when we run to the vets, get blood work done > which shows horrible results, and all sorts of heroic efforts (blood > transfusions, experimental treatments, etc.) are then hysterically > initiated. Many many times, it is too late, and no matter what we do, we > can’t drag these tiny little angels back from the brink. > > > > In my cat’s case, even though I was able to drag him back from the abyss, > the virus nonetheless had done a lot of damage to his body. He ended up > dying at a very young 7 years of age. We loved him so much, and we got six > more years with him, but it was nowhere near enough. He died, ultimately, > from a terribly scarred heart. We don’t know for sure, of course, but it is > likely that the virus was able to damage his heart, before we were able to > defeat the virus, much damage had been done to his body. > > > > If it were me, I would start your kitten on > Winstrol/Prednisone/Doxycycline even if there are no symptoms. I would not > wait for the shoe to drop. I would not bet on the virus not causing a > problem. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of > *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* November 14, 2019 4:53 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil > > > > > Hello! > > > Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued. > > Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens > and this one tested positive for felv. > > I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic > kittens. Do you have any suggestions? > > > > He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is > increasing, good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury > but is already much better. > > > > Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), > everything else normal. > > > > We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then? > > > > Thank you very much! > > > > > > Patrícia > > Santos/SP/Brazil > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil
Patricia – I speak just for myself, based on my experience with my FeLV kitten. I personally would not wait. If I ever had the chance to do it all again, I would have started my kitten on treatment for FeLV well before he had his crash, months after we learned he was FeLV positive. This virus is not just sitting quietly. It is doing damage, even if we can’t see immediately see it. The cat’s system compensates and compensates and compensates until a tipping point is reached and the cat has a catastrophic event. This is when we run to the vets, get blood work done which shows horrible results, and all sorts of heroic efforts (blood transfusions, experimental treatments, etc.) are then hysterically initiated. Many many times, it is too late, and no matter what we do, we can’t drag these tiny little angels back from the brink. In my cat’s case, even though I was able to drag him back from the abyss, the virus nonetheless had done a lot of damage to his body. He ended up dying at a very young 7 years of age. We loved him so much, and we got six more years with him, but it was nowhere near enough. He died, ultimately, from a terribly scarred heart. We don’t know for sure, of course, but it is likely that the virus was able to damage his heart, before we were able to defeat the virus, much damage had been done to his body. If it were me, I would start your kitten on Winstrol/Prednisone/Doxycycline even if there are no symptoms. I would not wait for the shoe to drop. I would not bet on the virus not causing a problem. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: November 14, 2019 4:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil Hello! Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued. Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens and this one tested positive for felv. I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic kittens. Do you have any suggestions? He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is increasing, good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury but is already much better. Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), everything else normal. We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then? Thank you very much! Patrícia Santos/SP/Brazil ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Good morning - I’m looking for a vet that is open and great in treating FelV in the NYC area. Does anyone have a recommendation? My cat bear aside from being FelV doesn’t like people much. Thanks Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 14, 2019, at 9:12 PM, Sandra Wachtstetter > wrote: > > > Just a bit of info I found on the fipcaregroup.com site that might b helpful > for everyone - the recommendation is for using Moducare and NOT Lysine. > Just thought I'd pass this on > Sandy W >> On November 14, 2019 at 4:52 PM Patricia Oliveira >> wrote: >> >> >> Hello! >> >> Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued. >> >> Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens >> and this one tested positive for felv. >> >> I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic >> kittens. Do you have any suggestions? >> >> He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is >> increasing, good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury >> but is already much better. >> >> Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), >> everything else normal. >> >> We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then? >> >> Thank you very much! >> >> >> Patrícia >> Santos/SP/Brazil >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > _______ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil
I’m not real active in this group, but did noticed the neck scratching-my Buddy had that until I took him off foods with grain-?? Don‘t know (?), but finding diet w/o grains beneficial so I thought I’d peek in for a second and offer my 2cents -g Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 14, 2019, at 7:12 PM, Sandra Wachtstetter > wrote: > > > Just a bit of info I found on the fipcaregroup.com site that might b helpful > for everyone - the recommendation is for using Moducare and NOT Lysine > Just thought I'd pass this on > Sandy W >> On November 14, 2019 at 4:52 PM Patricia Oliveira >> wrote: >> >> >> Hello! >> >> Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued. >> >> Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens >> and this one tested positive for felv. >> >> I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic >> kittens. Do you have any suggestions? >> >> He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is >> increasing, good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury >> but is already much better. >> >> Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), >> everything else normal. >> >> We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then? >> >> Thank you very much! >> >> >> Patrícia >> Santos/SP/Brazil >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > _______ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil
Just a bit of info I found on the fipcaregroup.com site that might b helpful for everyone - the recommendation is for using Moducare and NOT Lysine. Just thought I'd pass this on Sandy W > On November 14, 2019 at 4:52 PM Patricia Oliveira > wrote: > > > Hello! > > Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued. > > Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued > kittens and this one tested positive for felv. > > I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic > kittens. Do you have any suggestions? > > He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is > increasing, good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury > but is already much better. > > Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), > everything else normal. > > We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then? > > Thank you very much! > > > Patrícia > Santos/SP/Brazil > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil
Hi, Let’s hope he seroconverts to negative, eh? But just in case, you might want to discuss oral dosing of human interferon alfa (*) with your vet(s). Here’s a recent study showing some efficacy against feline leukemia virus: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6783854/ An analysis of these findings can be seen here: http://fivtherapy.com/fiv_news.htm The oral dosing must be given withOUT food. (*Human interferon alfa, if injected into a cat, will eventually cause a serious allergic reaction. Oral dosing does not appear to have that risk.) Also, some rescue groups are using RetroMad1, an antiviral developed in Malaysia, for FELV cats with some success. You can email me privately for the email address of a rescuer who is willing to discuss this therapy with others. The eosinophilia could indicate an allergic response. In some cases it can indicate intestinal parasites, though I believe that finding is more common for reptiles than mammals. Best regards, - Lorraine "Sometimes it is the people no one can imagine anything of who do the things no one can imagine." - Alan Turing . . . . . . . . . . . Hello! Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued. Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens and this one tested positive for felv. I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic kittens. Do you have any suggestions? He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is increasing, good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury but is already much better. Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), everything else normal. We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then? Thank you very much! Patrícia Santos/SP/Brazil ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] another felv kitten - Brasil
Hello! Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued. Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens and this one tested positive for felv. I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic kittens. Do you have any suggestions? He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is increasing, good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury but is already much better. Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), everything else normal. We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then? Thank you very much! Patrícia Santos/SP/Brazil ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Doxorubicin with or without Human Interferon or Feline Interferon
Hello, Our 1 and ½ year old male, Bado, is FELV+ and has been taking 1ml of Human Interferon once per day, seven days on and seven days off, since March of 2019. Bado was just diagnosed with Acute Myeloid Leukemia. We have started treating Bado with chemo using Doxorubicin. Does anyone know if the Doxorubicin is more or less effective either combined with Human Interferon or Feline Interferon, or if we should halt the use of all Interferon for a time and just deal with the chemo? Our oncologist and internist work well together, but they do not have a definitive answer for us, so at this point we are leaning towards halting the use of all Interferon to be certain it does not interfere with the chemo Doxorubicin. We also want to be sure that this is not creating additional risks for Bado to stop all Interferon. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Wendy and Bado ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Knowledge or experience dealing with an FELV+ cat with Acute Myeloid Leukemia?
Hello, Bado, our 1 and ½ year old male cat is FELV+ and today was just diagnosed with acute myeloid leukemia, AML-M6, which we found because he was severely anemic, lethargic, and had decreased appetite. He is being treated with Doxy and Pred now. We see the oncologist on Tuesday. Does anyone have experience or knowledge of treatment for acute myeloid leukemia, especially in an FELV+ cat? Thank you, Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bone Marrow Testing for FELV positive Cat?
Thank you so much, again, Amani On Sep 19, 2019, at 8:13 PM, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Wendy I was going to comment on that issue earlier, but I thought you had already gone ahead with the bone marrow testing. I am not sure there is any other treatment, regardless of the outcome of the testing. I personally agree with you that I probably would choose not to put my cat through bone marrow testing, when it really can’t affect the outcome. I am glad to hear that he is feeling better after the two transfusions. Use the Doxy-Pred-Winstrol combination now, and hopefully, your kitten’s haematocrit doesn’t end up falling after the temporary boost from the blood transfusion. The life span of a red blood cell is 120 days (at least in humans), and the blood transfusions will have red cells at different stages of their life spans, so you probably already know that the effect of the transfusions will probably only last 3 months or so. Hopefully by then the Winstrol would have kicked in to assist the bone marrow in producing red cells. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Wendy Sent: September 19, 2019 10:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] Bone Marrow Testing for FELV positive Cat? Hello, Thank you all for your replies earlier today. Our cats’ red count is coming back after 2 blood transfusions, and we started doxy today. He is eating, drinking, purring, has much better energy, is back to talking, etc. We are awaiting results that we should have tomorrow morning on the test of his lymphocytes using blood that was drawn before the blood transfusions. If the test comes back showing that the lymphocytes contain cancer cells, then we have our answer. If the test comes back showing that the lymphocytes do not contain cancer cells, then it has been suggested that we do bone marrow testing asap tomorrow afternoon. My understanding is that the bone marrow test would likely either show that he has myelodysplasia or cancer in his bone marrow. My question is: Would the suggested treatment of Doxy + Pred + Winstrol change if we find out that our cat has myelodysplasia vs if he has cancer in his bone marrow? If the treatment is the same, then I question putting our cat at the risk of anesthesia, lowering his red count, infection, etc. The plan is to start our cat on Doxy + Pred + Winstrol tomorrow afternoon, and we are being told that if we want to test his bone marrow we need to do it tomorrow morning before we start giving him steroids. In addition, his chest x-ray today was clean, and his abdominal ultrasound showed a slightly enlarge spleen and either a few slightly enlarged lymph nodes or possibly a few small satellite spleens, all of which seems can be expected with the anemia and / or infection, and therefore was not cause for concern. Following are the background facts, which I also posted this morning: Our FELV positive neutered male cat approximately 1 and ½ years old has gotten very sick suddenly. He is a house cat, and he was neutered in May of 2019. A few days ago, he became lethargic and lost interest in eating. We had his blood drawn yesterday and he had iv fluids yesterday, and today we were told he needed a blood transfusion (or two) and more iv fluids, and then a bone marrow test tomorrow. We were told that the first blood transfusion today was not very effective because he got so many iv fluids at the same time, so now they are going to give him another transfusion. As background, we rescued him as a stray from Barbados in October 2018 when he was about 6 months old, and he has been healthy, active, happy and gaining weight, despite being FELV positive. Since October 2018, we cured him of giardia and bartonella henselae. On 12/31/2018, he tested positive for the ELISA and IFA, although his blood work was in normal ranges at that time. In 03/2019, we started giving him 1 t-cyte shot once per month, and we started giving him 1ml of interferon per days for 7 days on and then 7 days off, repeated. We have continued the interferon and t-cyte in this manner ever since 03/2019. Just yesterday, here are the results of his blood work: Tests ResultsRef. Range Total Protein 6.1 5.2- 8.8 g/dL Albumin 3.5 2.5- 3.9 g/dl Globulin 2.6 2.3- 5.3 g/dL A/G Ratio 1.30.35- 1.5 AST (SGOT) 106 (HIGH) 10-100 IU/L ALT (SGPT) 3910- 100 IU/L Alk Phosphatase406- 102 IU/L GGT 11- 10 IU/L Total Bilirubin 0.1
Re: [Felvtalk] Bone Marrow Testing for FELV positive Cat?
Wendy I was going to comment on that issue earlier, but I thought you had already gone ahead with the bone marrow testing. I am not sure there is any other treatment, regardless of the outcome of the testing. I personally agree with you that I probably would choose not to put my cat through bone marrow testing, when it really can't affect the outcome. I am glad to hear that he is feeling better after the two transfusions. Use the Doxy-Pred-Winstrol combination now, and hopefully, your kitten's haematocrit doesn't end up falling after the temporary boost from the blood transfusion. The life span of a red blood cell is 120 days (at least in humans), and the blood transfusions will have red cells at different stages of their life spans, so you probably already know that the effect of the transfusions will probably only last 3 months or so. Hopefully by then the Winstrol would have kicked in to assist the bone marrow in producing red cells. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Wendy Sent: September 19, 2019 10:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Bone Marrow Testing for FELV positive Cat? Hello, Thank you all for your replies earlier today. Our cats' red count is coming back after 2 blood transfusions, and we started doxy today. He is eating, drinking, purring, has much better energy, is back to talking, etc. We are awaiting results that we should have tomorrow morning on the test of his lymphocytes using blood that was drawn before the blood transfusions. If the test comes back showing that the lymphocytes contain cancer cells, then we have our answer. If the test comes back showing that the lymphocytes do not contain cancer cells, then it has been suggested that we do bone marrow testing asap tomorrow afternoon. My understanding is that the bone marrow test would likely either show that he has myelodysplasia or cancer in his bone marrow. My question is: Would the suggested treatment of Doxy + Pred + Winstrol change if we find out that our cat has myelodysplasia vs if he has cancer in his bone marrow? If the treatment is the same, then I question putting our cat at the risk of anesthesia, lowering his red count, infection, etc. The plan is to start our cat on Doxy + Pred + Winstrol tomorrow afternoon, and we are being told that if we want to test his bone marrow we need to do it tomorrow morning before we start giving him steroids. In addition, his chest x-ray today was clean, and his abdominal ultrasound showed a slightly enlarge spleen and either a few slightly enlarged lymph nodes or possibly a few small satellite spleens, all of which seems can be expected with the anemia and / or infection, and therefore was not cause for concern. Following are the background facts, which I also posted this morning: Our FELV positive neutered male cat approximately 1 and ½ years old has gotten very sick suddenly. He is a house cat, and he was neutered in May of 2019. A few days ago, he became lethargic and lost interest in eating. We had his blood drawn yesterday and he had iv fluids yesterday, and today we were told he needed a blood transfusion (or two) and more iv fluids, and then a bone marrow test tomorrow. We were told that the first blood transfusion today was not very effective because he got so many iv fluids at the same time, so now they are going to give him another transfusion. As background, we rescued him as a stray from Barbados in October 2018 when he was about 6 months old, and he has been healthy, active, happy and gaining weight, despite being FELV positive. Since October 2018, we cured him of giardia and bartonella henselae. On 12/31/2018, he tested positive for the ELISA and IFA, although his blood work was in normal ranges at that time. In 03/2019, we started giving him 1 t-cyte shot once per month, and we started giving him 1ml of interferon per days for 7 days on and then 7 days off, repeated. We have continued the interferon and t-cyte in this manner ever since 03/2019. Just yesterday, here are the results of his blood work: Tests ResultsRef. Range Total Protein 6.1 5.2- 8.8 g/dL Albumin 3.5 2.5- 3.9 g/dl Globulin 2.6 2.3- 5.3 g/dL A/G Ratio 1.30.35- 1.5 AST (SGOT) 106 (HIGH) 10-100 IU/L ALT (SGPT) 3910- 100 IU/L Alk Phosphatase406- 102 IU/L GGT 11- 10 IU/L Total Bilirubin 0.1 0.1- 0.4 mg/dL BUN 1514- 36 mg/dl Creatinine 0.9 0.6- 2.4 mg/dl BUN/Creatinine Ratio 17 4-33
Re: [Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT
Hello Amani, Thank you very much for your detailed response. I apologize for my poor explanation regarding the blood transfusion not being effective. You are correct, that it was merely a dilution effect from the iv fluids. All the best, Wendy From: Amani Oakley Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 1:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT As others have mentioned in reply to your post, I have used a combination of Winstrol (Stanozolol), Doxycycline and Prednisone. The blood work seems to show that there is an affect on both the red cell lines and platelets. That suggests that this is a bone marrow depression, and in turn that suggests that this is likely the effect of FeLV. My experience has been that the Winstrol seems to turn back on or encourage the growth of new bone marrow cells, and is really great for increasing red cell indices (red cell counts, haematocrit, haemoglobin, reticulocyte count), and I saw it take effect pretty quickly. My cat's haematocrit was down to 10 after two separate rounds of blood transfusion. By the way, I don't understand the explanation in your email, that you've been told that the blood transfusion wasn't effective because of too much IV fluids. That doesn't make a lot of sense. You are still infusing the same volume of red cells, whether that is diluted by the IV fluids or not. I agree that the lab results may show a dilution effect because of the IV fluids, but that just means that when the excess fluid is pee'd out, then the haematocrit result will go up. By the way, if there is truly a dilution effect, it will show on a number of lab results like sodium, potassium, urea and platelets. What I had my cat on was: Winstrol (stanozolol) 1 mg, 2 times a day (though this can be dramatically increased if necessary) Doxycycline 50 mg daily (can be given once, or split to 25 mg, 2 times a day) Prednisone/Prednisolone 5 mg daily (can be given once, or split to 2.5 mg, 2 times a day) Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Wendy Sent: September 19, 2019 1:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: [Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT Importance: High Hello, Our FELV positive neutered male cat approximately 1 and ½ years old has gotten very sick suddenly. He is a house cat, and he was neutered in May of 2019. Would you please let us know what we can do to help our much-loved cat? A few days ago, he became lethargic and lost interest in eating. We had his blood drawn yesterday and he had iv fluids yesterday, and today we were told he needed a blood transfusion (or two) and more iv fluids, and then a bone marrow test tomorrow. We were told that the first blood transfusion today was not very effective because he got so many iv fluids at the same time, so now they are going to give him another transfusion. As background, we rescued him as a stray from Barbados in October 2018 when he was about 6 months old, and he has been healthy, active, happy and gaining weight, despite being FELV positive. Since October 2018, we cured him of giardia and bartonella henselae. On 12/31/2018, he tested positive for the ELISA and IFA, although his blood work was in normal ranges at that time. In 03/2019, we started giving him 1 t-cyte shot once per month, and we started giving him 1ml of interferon per days for 7 days on and then 7 days off, repeated. We have continued the interferon and t-cyte in this manner ever since 03/2019. Just yesterday, here are the results of his blood work that are not in normal range: AST (SGOT) 106 Glucose 178 CPK 711 WBC 20.5 RBC 2.5 HGB 4.5 HCT 14 NRBC 9 Platelet Count 78 Neutrophils 1640 Lymphocytes 17630 Monocytes 1025 Basophils 205 Protein 2+ Reticulocyte 0.6 and 15000 Would you please let us know what we can do to help our cat? Thank you, Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Bone Marrow Testing for FELV positive Cat?
4.5 (LOW)9.3- 15 .9 g/dL HCT 29-48 % ' The hematocrit in th 27. (Normal range 29-48). A recent study has indicated that >23% of anemic cats are infected with one or more species of hemoplasma and several studies confirm that PCR is significantly more sensitive in detecting hemoplasma. MCV 5737-61 fl MCH 18.2 11-21 pg MCHC 3230-38 g/dl Poikilocytosis Slight NRBC 9(HIGH)0-1/100 WBC Blood Parasites None Seen RBC Comment Rouleaux Moderate Platelet Count 78 (LOW)200-500 10'/µL Platelet count reflects the minimum number due to platelet clumping. Platelet EstimateAdequate DifferentialAbsolute o/o Neutrophils (LOW)1640 8 2500 - 8500 /µL Bands 0 Lymphocytes (HIGH) 17630861200 - 8000 /µL Monocytes (HIGH)10255 0-600 /µ L Eosinophils0 0 0-1000 /µ L Basophils (HIGH) 205 1 0- 150 /µL FREE T4 BY EQU ILIBRIUM D IALYS IS (Pending) UR INALYSIS- C OMPL ETE Collection Method Cystocentesis 0.8- 4.0 µ g/dl Color Appearance Specific Gravity pH DARK YELLOW TURBID 1.056 1.015- 1.060 7.0 5.5- 7.0 Protein2+ (HIGH)NEGATIVE Glucose-StripNEGATIVENEGATIVE Ketones NEGATIVENEGATIVE Bilirubin NEGATIVENEGATIVE Occult BloodNEGATIVE NEGATIVE WBC NONE0-3 HPF RBC NONE0-3 HPF Casts NONE SEEN Hyaline 0-3 LPF Crystals NONE SEEN HPF Bacteria Epithelial CellsNONE SEEN NONE SEEN None Seen HPF HPF Fat Droplets >50 HPF RETICULOCYTE COUNT REFLEX Reticulocyte Total Abso lute Ret iculocytes 0.6 0-1 % 15000 <45,000 JµL Would you please let us know what we can do to help our cat? Thank you again, Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT
As others have mentioned in reply to your post, I have used a combination of Winstrol (Stanozolol), Doxycycline and Prednisone. The blood work seems to show that there is an affect on both the red cell lines and platelets. That suggests that this is a bone marrow depression, and in turn that suggests that this is likely the effect of FeLV. My experience has been that the Winstrol seems to turn back on or encourage the growth of new bone marrow cells, and is really great for increasing red cell indices (red cell counts, haematocrit, haemoglobin, reticulocyte count), and I saw it take effect pretty quickly. My cat's haematocrit was down to 10 after two separate rounds of blood transfusion. By the way, I don't understand the explanation in your email, that you've been told that the blood transfusion wasn't effective because of too much IV fluids. That doesn't make a lot of sense. You are still infusing the same volume of red cells, whether that is diluted by the IV fluids or not. I agree that the lab results may show a dilution effect because of the IV fluids, but that just means that when the excess fluid is pee'd out, then the haematocrit result will go up. By the way, if there is truly a dilution effect, it will show on a number of lab results like sodium, potassium, urea and platelets. What I had my cat on was: Winstrol (stanozolol) 1 mg, 2 times a day (though this can be dramatically increased if necessary) Doxycycline 50 mg daily (can be given once, or split to 25 mg, 2 times a day) Prednisone/Prednisolone 5 mg daily (can be given once, or split to 2.5 mg, 2 times a day) Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Wendy Sent: September 19, 2019 1:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT Importance: High Hello, Our FELV positive neutered male cat approximately 1 and ½ years old has gotten very sick suddenly. He is a house cat, and he was neutered in May of 2019. Would you please let us know what we can do to help our much-loved cat? A few days ago, he became lethargic and lost interest in eating. We had his blood drawn yesterday and he had iv fluids yesterday, and today we were told he needed a blood transfusion (or two) and more iv fluids, and then a bone marrow test tomorrow. We were told that the first blood transfusion today was not very effective because he got so many iv fluids at the same time, so now they are going to give him another transfusion. As background, we rescued him as a stray from Barbados in October 2018 when he was about 6 months old, and he has been healthy, active, happy and gaining weight, despite being FELV positive. Since October 2018, we cured him of giardia and bartonella henselae. On 12/31/2018, he tested positive for the ELISA and IFA, although his blood work was in normal ranges at that time. In 03/2019, we started giving him 1 t-cyte shot once per month, and we started giving him 1ml of interferon per days for 7 days on and then 7 days off, repeated. We have continued the interferon and t-cyte in this manner ever since 03/2019. Just yesterday, here are the results of his blood work that are not in normal range: AST (SGOT) 106 Glucose 178 CPK 711 WBC 20.5 RBC 2.5 HGB 4.5 HCT 14 NRBC 9 Platelet Count 78 Neutrophils 1640 Lymphocytes 17630 Monocytes 1025 Basophils 205 Protein 2+ Reticulocyte 0.6 and 15000 Would you please let us know what we can do to help our cat? Thank you, Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT - reposting as other email too long
I very seldom post here, but your baby is very anemic. HCT 14% and if it
continues to drop will need a transfusion. Many here at one time suggested
Winstrol for anemia.
https://www.rxlist.com/winstrol-side-effects-drug-center.htm I am sure
others will chime in here, but this was said to work.
https://gainsmadness.com/what-is-winstrol-cycle/
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div.yiv9841986119WordSection1 {} --Hello, Our FELV positive neutered male
cat approximately 1 and ½ years old has gotten very sick suddenly. He is a
house cat, and he was neutered in May of 2019. Would you please let us know
what we can do to help our much-loved cat? A few days ago, he became lethargic
and lost interest in eating. We had his blood drawn yesterday and he had iv
fluids yesterday, and today we were told he needed a blood transfusion (or two)
and more iv fluids, and then a bone marrow test tomorrow. We were told that
the first blood transfusion today was not very effective because he got so many
iv fluids at the same time, so now they are going to give him another
transfusion. As background, we rescued him as a stray from Barbados in October
2018 when he was about 6 months old, and he has been healthy, active, happy and
gaining weight, despite being FELV positive. Since October 2018, we cured him
of giardia and bartonella henselae. On 12/31/2018, he tested positive for the
ELISA and IFA, although his blood work was in normal ranges at that time. In
03/2019, we started giving him 1 t-cyte shot once per month, and we started
giving him 1ml of interferon per days for 7 days on and then 7 days off,
repeated. We have continued the interferon and t-cyte in this manner ever
since 03/2019. Just yesterday, here are the results of his blood work that are
not in normal range: AST (SGOT) 106 Glucose 178 CPK 711 WBC 20.5 RBC 2.5 HGB
4.5 HCT 14 NRBC 9 Platelet Count 78 Neutrophils 1640 Lymphocytes 17630
Monocytes 1025 Basophils 205 Protein 2+ Reticulocyte 0.6 and 15000 Would you
please let us know what we can do to help our cat? Thank you, Wendy
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[Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT - reposting as other email too long
Hello, Our FELV positive neutered male cat approximately 1 and ½ years old has gotten very sick suddenly. He is a house cat, and he was neutered in May of 2019. Would you please let us know what we can do to help our much-loved cat? A few days ago, he became lethargic and lost interest in eating. We had his blood drawn yesterday and he had iv fluids yesterday, and today we were told he needed a blood transfusion (or two) and more iv fluids, and then a bone marrow test tomorrow. We were told that the first blood transfusion today was not very effective because he got so many iv fluids at the same time, so now they are going to give him another transfusion. As background, we rescued him as a stray from Barbados in October 2018 when he was about 6 months old, and he has been healthy, active, happy and gaining weight, despite being FELV positive. Since October 2018, we cured him of giardia and bartonella henselae. On 12/31/2018, he tested positive for the ELISA and IFA, although his blood work was in normal ranges at that time. In 03/2019, we started giving him 1 t-cyte shot once per month, and we started giving him 1ml of interferon per days for 7 days on and then 7 days off, repeated. We have continued the interferon and t-cyte in this manner ever since 03/2019. Just yesterday, here are the results of his blood work that are not in normal range: AST (SGOT) 106 Glucose 178 CPK 711 WBC 20.5 RBC 2.5 HGB 4.5 HCT 14 NRBC 9 Platelet Count 78 Neutrophils 1640 Lymphocytes 17630 Monocytes 1025 Basophils 205 Protein 2+ Reticulocyte 0.6 and 15000 Would you please let us know what we can do to help our cat? Thank you, Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT
Oral dosing is okay with human interferon Alfa 2b. You might want to try retromad1, imported from Malaysia. There is a man, John B., on the fivtherapy yahoogroup who has a colony of felv and fiv cats, and lots of good advice. You might want to join that group (felv is discussed there, even though the group name is fivtherapy). Also, I will get in touch with John via private email about your kitty. He is in South Africa, so if you’re in the US, there might be a time delay. BTW, I don’t hear too many success stories about tcyte. Not that it causes harm, to my knowledge, just that it doesn't seem to help. - Lorraine > On September 19, 2019 at 7:50 AM Wendy wrote: > > > Hello Lorraine, it is interferon alpha 2B compounded that my vet ordered > for our cat from Road Runner Pharmacy. It shows Cat on the label. He takes > the interferon orally, and not by injection. Sorry for all of the responses, > I’m trying to figure out this system and worried about our precious cat. > Does this help? Thank you so much, Wendy > > On Sep 18, 2019, at 10:26 PM, Wendy < we...@wendyfrank.net > mailto:we...@wendyfrank.net > wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, Our FELV positive neutered male cat approximately 1 and ½ > > years old has gotten very sick suddenly. He is a house cat, and he was > > neutered in May of 2019. Would you please let us know what we can do to > > help our much-loved cat? A few days ago, he became lethargic and lost > > interest in eating. We had his blood drawn yesterday and he had iv fluids > > yesterday, and today we were told he needed a blood transfusion (or two) > > and more iv fluids, and then a bone marrow test tomorrow. We were told > > that the first blood transfusion today was not very effective because he > > got so many iv fluids at the same time, so now they are going to give him > > another transfusion. As background, we rescued him as a stray from > > Barbados in October 2018 when he was about 6 months old, and he has been > > healthy, active, happy and gaining weight, despite being FELV positive. > > Since October 2018, we cured him of giardia and bartonella henselae. On > > 12/31/2018, he tested positive for the ELISA and IFA, although his blood > > work was in normal ranges at that time. In 03/2019, we started giving him > > 1 t-cyte shot once per month, and we started giving him 1ml of interferon > > per days for 7 days on and then 7 days off, repeated. We have continued > > the interferon and t-cyte in this manner ever since 03/2019. Just > > yesterday, here are the results of his blood work that are not in normal > > range: > > > > AST (SGOT) 106 > > > > Glucose 178 > > > > CPK 711 > > > > WBC 20.5 > > > > RBC 2.5 > > > > HGB 4.5 > > > > HCT 14 > > > > NRBC 9 > > > > Platelet Count 78 > > > > Neutrophils 1640 > > > > Lymphocytes 17630 > > > > Monocytes 1025 > > > > Basophils 205 > > > > Protein 2+ > > > > Reticulocyte 0.6 and 15000 > > > > Would you please let us know what we can do to help our cat? > > > > Thank you, Wendy > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT
He is getting the interferon orally and it is never being injected. On Sep 18, 2019, at 10:26 PM, Wendy mailto:we...@wendyfrank.net>> wrote: Hello, Our FELV positive neutered male cat approximately 1 and ½ years old has gotten very sick suddenly. He is a house cat, and he was neutered in May of 2019. Would you please let us know what we can do to help our much-loved cat? A few days ago, he became lethargic and lost interest in eating. We had his blood drawn yesterday and he had iv fluids yesterday, and today we were told he needed a blood transfusion (or two) and more iv fluids, and then a bone marrow test tomorrow. We were told that the first blood transfusion today was not very effective because he got so many iv fluids at the same time, so now they are going to give him another transfusion. As background, we rescued him as a stray from Barbados in October 2018 when he was about 6 months old, and he has been healthy, active, happy and gaining weight, despite being FELV positive. Since October 2018, we cured him of giardia and bartonella henselae. On 12/31/2018, he tested positive for the ELISA and IFA, although his blood work was in normal ranges at that time. In 03/2019, we started giving him 1 t-cyte shot once per month, and we started giving him 1ml of interferon per days for 7 days on and then 7 days off, repeated. We have continued the interferon and t-cyte in this manner ever since 03/2019. Just yesterday, here are the results of his blood work that are not in normal range: AST (SGOT) 106 Glucose 178 CPK 711 WBC 20.5 RBC 2.5 HGB 4.5 HCT 14 NRBC 9 Platelet Count 78 Neutrophils 1640 Lymphocytes 17630 Monocytes 1025 Basophils 205 Protein 2+ Reticulocyte 0.6 and 15000 Would you please let us know what we can do to help our cat? Thank you, Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT
Hello Lorraine, it is interferon alpha 2B compounded that my vet ordered for our cat from Road Runner Pharmacy. It shows Cat on the label. He takes the interferon orally, and not by injection. Sorry for all of the responses, I’m trying to figure out this system and worried about our precious cat. Does this help? Thank you so much, Wendy On Sep 18, 2019, at 10:26 PM, Wendy mailto:we...@wendyfrank.net>> wrote: Hello, Our FELV positive neutered male cat approximately 1 and ½ years old has gotten very sick suddenly. He is a house cat, and he was neutered in May of 2019. Would you please let us know what we can do to help our much-loved cat? A few days ago, he became lethargic and lost interest in eating. We had his blood drawn yesterday and he had iv fluids yesterday, and today we were told he needed a blood transfusion (or two) and more iv fluids, and then a bone marrow test tomorrow. We were told that the first blood transfusion today was not very effective because he got so many iv fluids at the same time, so now they are going to give him another transfusion. As background, we rescued him as a stray from Barbados in October 2018 when he was about 6 months old, and he has been healthy, active, happy and gaining weight, despite being FELV positive. Since October 2018, we cured him of giardia and bartonella henselae. On 12/31/2018, he tested positive for the ELISA and IFA, although his blood work was in normal ranges at that time. In 03/2019, we started giving him 1 t-cyte shot once per month, and we started giving him 1ml of interferon per days for 7 days on and then 7 days off, repeated. We have continued the interferon and t-cyte in this manner ever since 03/2019. Just yesterday, here are the results of his blood work that are not in normal range: AST (SGOT) 106 Glucose 178 CPK 711 WBC 20.5 RBC 2.5 HGB 4.5 HCT 14 NRBC 9 Platelet Count 78 Neutrophils 1640 Lymphocytes 17630 Monocytes 1025 Basophils 205 Protein 2+ Reticulocyte 0.6 and 15000 Would you please let us know what we can do to help our cat? Thank you, Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 57, Issue 1
Hello Lorraine, it is interferon alpha 2B compounded that my vet ordered for our cat from Road Runner Pharmacy. It shows Cat on the label. Does this help? Thank you so much, Wendy > On Sep 18, 2019, at 11:03 PM, "felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org" > wrote: > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to >felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at >felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT (Wendy) > 2. PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT - REPOSTING WITH FULL > BLOOD WORK (Wendy) > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT
Hello Lorraine, it is interferon alpha 2B compounded that my vet ordered for our cat from Road Runner Pharmacy. It shows Cat on the label. Does this help? Thank you so much, Wendy On Sep 18, 2019, at 10:26 PM, Wendy mailto:we...@wendyfrank.net>> wrote: Hello, Our FELV positive neutered male cat approximately 1 and ½ years old has gotten very sick suddenly. He is a house cat, and he was neutered in May of 2019. Would you please let us know what we can do to help our much-loved cat? A few days ago, he became lethargic and lost interest in eating. We had his blood drawn yesterday and he had iv fluids yesterday, and today we were told he needed a blood transfusion (or two) and more iv fluids, and then a bone marrow test tomorrow. We were told that the first blood transfusion today was not very effective because he got so many iv fluids at the same time, so now they are going to give him another transfusion. As background, we rescued him as a stray from Barbados in October 2018 when he was about 6 months old, and he has been healthy, active, happy and gaining weight, despite being FELV positive. Since October 2018, we cured him of giardia and bartonella henselae. On 12/31/2018, he tested positive for the ELISA and IFA, although his blood work was in normal ranges at that time. In 03/2019, we started giving him 1 t-cyte shot once per month, and we started giving him 1ml of interferon per days for 7 days on and then 7 days off, repeated. We have continued the interferon and t-cyte in this manner ever since 03/2019. Just yesterday, here are the results of his blood work that are not in normal range: AST (SGOT) 106 Glucose 178 CPK 711 WBC 20.5 RBC 2.5 HGB 4.5 HCT 14 NRBC 9 Platelet Count 78 Neutrophils 1640 Lymphocytes 17630 Monocytes 1025 Basophils 205 Protein 2+ Reticulocyte 0.6 and 15000 Would you please let us know what we can do to help our cat? Thank you, Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT - REPOSTING WITH FULL BLOOD WORK
20.5 (HIGH)3.5- 16.0 > 10'/µL > > Corrected for NRBCs > > > ABC 2.5 (LOW)5.92-9.93 > 10°/µ L > > HGB 4.5 (LOW)9.3- 15 .9 > g/dL > > HCT 29-48 > % ' > > The hematocrit in th 27. (Normal range 29-48). A recent study has > indicated that >23% of anemic cats are infected with one or more species of > hemoplasma and several studies confirm that PCR is significantly more > sensitive in detecting hemoplasma. > > > MCV 5737-61 > fl > > MCH 18.2 11-21 > pg > > MCHC 3230-38 > g/dl > > Poikilocytosis Slight > > NRBC 9(HIGH) > 0-1 /100 WBC > > Blood Parasites None Seen RBC Comment > > Rouleaux Moderate > > > Platelet Count 78 (LOW)200-500 > 10'/µL > > Platelet count reflects the minimum number due to platelet clumping. > > > Platelet EstimateAdequate > > DifferentialAbsolute o/o > > Neutrophils (LOW)1640 8 2500 - 8500 > /µL > > Bands 0 > > Lymphocytes (HIGH) 17630861200 - 8000 > /µL > > Monocytes (HIGH)10255 0-600 > /µ L > > Eosinophils0 0 0-1000 > /µ L > > Basophils (HIGH) 205 1 0- 150 > /µL > > > FREE T4 BY EQU ILIBRIUM D IALYS IS (Pending) > > UR INALYSIS- C OMPL ETE > > Collection Method Cystocentesis > > > 0.8- 4.0 µ g/dl > > > > > >Color Appearance Spec ific Gravity pH > > > DARK YELLOW TURBID > > 1.056 1.015- 1.060 > > 7.0 5.5- 7.0 > > > > Protein > > > > 2+ (HIGH) > > NEGATIVE > > Urine protein:creatini ne ratio testing is recommended (if the > sediment is inactive) to he lp determine the clinical significance of > proteinuria. > > > Glucose-Strip > > NEGATIVE > > NEGATIVE > > > > Ketones > > NEGATIVE > > NEGATIVE > > Bilirubin > > NEGATIVE > > NEGATIVE > > Occult Blood > > NEGATIVE > > NEGATIVE > > WBC > > NONE > > 0-3 > > HPF > > RBC > > NONE > > 0-3 > > HPF > > Casts > > NONE SEEN > > Hyaline 0-3 > > LPF > > Crystals > > NONE SEEN > > > > HPF > > Bacteria Epithelial Cells > > NONE SEEN NONE SEEN > > None Seen > >HPF HPF > > Fat Droplets > > >50 > > > > HPF > > > RETICULOCYTE COUNT REFLEX > >Reticulocyte Total Abso lute Ret iculocytes > > > > 0.6 0-1 % > > 15000 <45,000 JµL > > > > Would you please let us know what we can do to help our cat? > > Thank you, Wendy > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT - REPOSTING WITH FULL BLOOD WORK
-38 g/dl Poikilocytosis Slight NRBC 9(HIGH) 0-1 /100 WBC Blood Parasites None Seen RBC Comment Rouleaux Moderate Platelet Count 78 (LOW)200-500 10'/µL Platelet count reflects the minimum number due to platelet clumping. Platelet EstimateAdequate DifferentialAbsolute o/o Neutrophils (LOW)1640 8 2500 - 8500 /µL Bands 0 Lymphocytes (HIGH) 17630861200 - 8000 /µL Monocytes (HIGH)10255 0-600 /µ L Eosinophils0 0 0-1000 /µ L Basophils (HIGH) 205 1 0- 150 /µL FREE T4 BY EQU ILIBRIUM D IALYS IS (Pending) UR INALYSIS- C OMPL ETE Collection Method Cystocentesis 0.8- 4.0 µ g/dl Color Appearance Spec ific Gravity pH DARK YELLOW TURBID 1.056 1.015- 1.060 7.0 5.5- 7.0 Protein 2+ (HIGH) NEGATIVE Urine protein:creatini ne ratio testing is recommended (if the sediment is inactive) to he lp determine the clinical significance of proteinuria. Glucose-Strip NEGATIVE NEGATIVE Ketones NEGATIVE NEGATIVE Bilirubin NEGATIVE NEGATIVE Occult Blood NEGATIVE NEGATIVE WBC NONE 0-3 HPF RBC NONE 0-3 HPF Casts NONE SEEN Hyaline 0-3 LPF Crystals NONE SEEN HPF Bacteria Epithelial Cells NONE SEEN NONE SEEN None Seen HPF HPF Fat Droplets >50 HPF RETICULOCYTE COUNT REFLEX Reticulocyte Total Abso lute Ret iculocytes 0.6 0-1 % 15000 <45,000 JµL Would you please let us know what we can do to help our cat? Thank you, Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT
Hello, Our FELV positive neutered male cat approximately 1 and ½ years old has gotten very sick suddenly. He is a house cat, and he was neutered in May of 2019. Would you please let us know what we can do to help our much-loved cat? A few days ago, he became lethargic and lost interest in eating. We had his blood drawn yesterday and he had iv fluids yesterday, and today we were told he needed a blood transfusion (or two) and more iv fluids, and then a bone marrow test tomorrow. We were told that the first blood transfusion today was not very effective because he got so many iv fluids at the same time, so now they are going to give him another transfusion. As background, we rescued him as a stray from Barbados in October 2018 when he was about 6 months old, and he has been healthy, active, happy and gaining weight, despite being FELV positive. Since October 2018, we cured him of giardia and bartonella henselae. On 12/31/2018, he tested positive for the ELISA and IFA, although his blood work was in normal ranges at that time. In 03/2019, we started giving him 1 t-cyte shot once per month, and we started giving him 1ml of interferon per days for 7 days on and then 7 days off, repeated. We have continued the interferon and t-cyte in this manner ever since 03/2019. Just yesterday, here are the results of his blood work that are not in normal range: AST (SGOT) 106 Glucose 178 CPK 711 WBC 20.5 RBC 2.5 HGB 4.5 HCT 14 NRBC 9 Platelet Count 78 Neutrophils 1640 Lymphocytes 17630 Monocytes 1025 Basophils 205 Protein 2+ Reticulocyte 0.6 and 15000 Would you please let us know what we can do to help our cat? Thank you, Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC
Thank you Amani for giving this information again - if the vet is working with the pet and it's person there really isn't anything to lose trying "Zander's Protocol". Sandy W > On July 26, 2019 at 12:50 PM Amani Oakley wrote: > > > Hi Deborah > > > > Definitely – I have heard from several people who have tried the > combination Doxy/Winstrol/Prednisone and their cats’ blood work improved > quickly, as well as their cats overall. I have heard from others who tried it > but their cat died very quickly (ie – within a day or two of their posting > asking for suggestions). Obviously, it’s impossible to tell, in those cases, > whether trying the meds earlier may have helped or whether the meds were just > completely ineffective. My suggestion is that if there are other things you > are wanting to try, you can probably go ahead and try those other options, in > addition to the Doxy/Winstrol/Prednisone combination, because I don’t think > one thing precludes the other. > > > > There is very little that is effective, other than Zander’s Protocol, > when cats are showing severe anemia and the reduction of other cell lines > (platelets and white cells), so I don’t think that there’s an awful lot to > choose from. > > > > I must tell you though, that I have had very good success using Winstrol > in many other circumstances with my cats. I think cats respond well to > steroids generally, and my vet told me that once upon a time (20-30 years > ago), they used to hand out Winstrol “like candy” for almost any cat ailment > which involved loss of appetite, general malaise, etc. That stopped around > the time of the Ben Johnson Olympic scandal (1988 or something like that) and > then rumours began to be heard by the vets that Winstrol may damage the > liver, so everyone stopped using it. It is a pity, because I find it useful > for many conditions and I don’t think vets have anything at all to replace > what it can do for cats suffering from anemia, leukemia, etc. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Deborah > Whorley > Sent: July 26, 2019 11:43 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving > Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC > > > > Amani - have you ever received any feedback from others who have tried > your protocol and what their results were? Repeating labs this morning and > will present your protocol and history to see if she will let us try. > > > > Thanks, > > Deb > > > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 10:45 mailto:felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > wrote: > > > > > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > mailto:felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > mailto:felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Chablis - seeking advise about giving Pred/Doxy/Winstrol > > with low WBC (Amani Oakley) > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:45:12 + > > From: Amani Oakley > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com > > > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > " mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving > > Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC > > Message-ID: > > > > > mailto:E0C1DFB06E10174B9D4AE353A62CECE303A5715321@OAKLEYSRV.oakley.local > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hi Deborah
Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC
Hi Deborah
Definitely – I have heard from several people who have tried the combination
Doxy/Winstrol/Prednisone and their cats’ blood work improved quickly, as well
as their cats overall. I have heard from others who tried it but their cat died
very quickly (ie – within a day or two of their posting asking for
suggestions). Obviously, it’s impossible to tell, in those cases, whether
trying the meds earlier may have helped or whether the meds were just
completely ineffective. My suggestion is that if there are other things you are
wanting to try, you can probably go ahead and try those other options, in
addition to the Doxy/Winstrol/Prednisone combination, because I don’t think one
thing precludes the other.
There is very little that is effective, other than Zander’s Protocol, when cats
are showing severe anemia and the reduction of other cell lines (platelets and
white cells), so I don’t think that there’s an awful lot to choose from.
I must tell you though, that I have had very good success using Winstrol in
many other circumstances with my cats. I think cats respond well to steroids
generally, and my vet told me that once upon a time (20-30 years ago), they
used to hand out Winstrol “like candy” for almost any cat ailment which
involved loss of appetite, general malaise, etc. That stopped around the time
of the Ben Johnson Olympic scandal (1988 or something like that) and then
rumours began to be heard by the vets that Winstrol may damage the liver, so
everyone stopped using it. It is a pity, because I find it useful for many
conditions and I don’t think vets have anything at all to replace what it can
do for cats suffering from anemia, leukemia, etc.
Amani
From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Deborah
Whorley
Sent: July 26, 2019 11:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving
Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC
Amani - have you ever received any feedback from others who have tried your
protocol and what their results were? Repeating labs this morning and will
present your protocol and history to see if she will let us try.
Thanks,
Deb
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Hi Deborah
The CBC results are unusual. There is some anemia going on, and there is the
low white cell count. There is also an elevated monocyte count.
Most people are aware that white cells go up with an infection, but they can
also go quite low with an infection ? often if there is a focal area of
inflammation/infection and white cells are moving out of the circulatory system
to go to the site of infection in the tissues. My worry is that there ma be a
source of infection somewhere. Monocytes can be elevated with a chronic
infection as well.
If it were my cat, I think I might ask the vets to give more in the way of
antibiotics, with a broad enough spectrum to cover Gram positive and Gram
negative organisms. I think I might insist on using Doxycycline along with
another antibiotic, because the Doxycycline also has an effect on some more
unusual organisms like some parasites and some viruses even. I think I would
also try the Winstrol if it were me. Winstrol has an excellent enhancing effect
on appetite, and may also help with the anemia. I myself wouldn?t be that
worried about the prednisone/prednisolone but it probably wouldn?t hurt to hold
off on that one and see if you get some improvement on the Doxycycline/Other
Antibiotic/Winstrol combination.
Amani
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Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC
Amani - have you ever received any feedback from others who have tried your protocol and what their results were? Repeating labs this morning and will present your protocol and history to see if she will let us try. Thanks, Deb On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 10:45 wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Chablis - seeking advise about giving Pred/Doxy/Winstrol > with low WBC (Amani Oakley) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:45:12 + > From: Amani Oakley > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving > Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Deborah > > The CBC results are unusual. There is some anemia going on, and there is > the low white cell count. There is also an elevated monocyte count. > > Most people are aware that white cells go up with an infection, but they > can also go quite low with an infection ? often if there is a focal area of > inflammation/infection and white cells are moving out of the circulatory > system to go to the site of infection in the tissues. My worry is that > there ma be a source of infection somewhere. Monocytes can be elevated with > a chronic infection as well. > > If it were my cat, I think I might ask the vets to give more in the way of > antibiotics, with a broad enough spectrum to cover Gram positive and Gram > negative organisms. I think I might insist on using Doxycycline along with > another antibiotic, because the Doxycycline also has an effect on some more > unusual organisms like some parasites and some viruses even. I think I > would also try the Winstrol if it were me. Winstrol has an excellent > enhancing effect on appetite, and may also help with the anemia. I myself > wouldn?t be that worried about the prednisone/prednisolone but it probably > wouldn?t hurt to hold off on that one and see if you get some improvement > on the Doxycycline/Other Antibiotic/Winstrol combination. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Deborah > Whorley > Sent: July 25, 2019 2:59 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving > Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC > > Hi - one of my FeLV+ cats, Chablis (F, 5 yrs), has been dealing with > constipation since Jan of this year. Last week she stopped eating like she > does when she is ?backed up? but 100 cc SQ fluids didn?t resolve the issue > as it normally does. She also started wheezing Sat eve. I ended up with > her in the emergency clinic on Sun and to my surprise her CBC was terrible > (see below). Radiograph revealed no constipation or obvious masses in > lungs/abdomen. ER vet, and my vet the next day, reluctant to give pred due > to low WBC. Treating dehydration and inappetance with SQ fluids and > mertazapine. ER vet also gave Convenia "just in case?. Going back on Fri to > my vet for another CBC. Have been following this group for several years > and want to try Amani?s treatment protocol, but does low WBC contraindicate > giving prepnisolone and/or Winstrol? Thanks in advance for any advise. - Deb > > CBC (21Jul2019) > NOTE: they did not repeat the analysis which, in hindsight, I should have > insisted upon > > TestResultFlagNormal Range Measure > RBC5.11 L 5.65 8.87 M/?L > HCT24.4L 37.3 61.7 % > HGB7.8 L 13.1 20.5 > g/dL > MCV 47.7L 61.6 73.5 fL > MCH 15.3L 21.2 25.9 pg > MCHC 32.0 32.0 37.9 > g/dL > RDW 23.6H 13.6 21.7 % > %RETIC 0.2 > % > RETIC8.7 L 10.0 110.0 > K/?L > > WBC * 2.39 5.05 16.76K/?L > %NEU* 32.6 >
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 56, Issue 2
Thanks Amani. Good advice, hopefully my vet will agree. Deb On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 10:45 wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Chablis - seeking advise about giving Pred/Doxy/Winstrol > with low WBC (Amani Oakley) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:45:12 + > From: Amani Oakley > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving > Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Deborah > > The CBC results are unusual. There is some anemia going on, and there is > the low white cell count. There is also an elevated monocyte count. > > Most people are aware that white cells go up with an infection, but they > can also go quite low with an infection ? often if there is a focal area of > inflammation/infection and white cells are moving out of the circulatory > system to go to the site of infection in the tissues. My worry is that > there ma be a source of infection somewhere. Monocytes can be elevated with > a chronic infection as well. > > If it were my cat, I think I might ask the vets to give more in the way of > antibiotics, with a broad enough spectrum to cover Gram positive and Gram > negative organisms. I think I might insist on using Doxycycline along with > another antibiotic, because the Doxycycline also has an effect on some more > unusual organisms like some parasites and some viruses even. I think I > would also try the Winstrol if it were me. Winstrol has an excellent > enhancing effect on appetite, and may also help with the anemia. I myself > wouldn?t be that worried about the prednisone/prednisolone but it probably > wouldn?t hurt to hold off on that one and see if you get some improvement > on the Doxycycline/Other Antibiotic/Winstrol combination. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Deborah > Whorley > Sent: July 25, 2019 2:59 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving > Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC > > Hi - one of my FeLV+ cats, Chablis (F, 5 yrs), has been dealing with > constipation since Jan of this year. Last week she stopped eating like she > does when she is ?backed up? but 100 cc SQ fluids didn?t resolve the issue > as it normally does. She also started wheezing Sat eve. I ended up with > her in the emergency clinic on Sun and to my surprise her CBC was terrible > (see below). Radiograph revealed no constipation or obvious masses in > lungs/abdomen. ER vet, and my vet the next day, reluctant to give pred due > to low WBC. Treating dehydration and inappetance with SQ fluids and > mertazapine. ER vet also gave Convenia "just in case?. Going back on Fri to > my vet for another CBC. Have been following this group for several years > and want to try Amani?s treatment protocol, but does low WBC contraindicate > giving prepnisolone and/or Winstrol? Thanks in advance for any advise. - Deb > > CBC (21Jul2019) > NOTE: they did not repeat the analysis which, in hindsight, I should have > insisted upon > > TestResultFlagNormal Range Measure > RBC5.11 L 5.65 8.87 M/?L > HCT24.4L 37.3 61.7 % > HGB7.8 L 13.1 20.5 > g/dL > MCV 47.7L 61.6 73.5 fL > MCH 15.3L 21.2 25.9 pg > MCHC 32.0 32.0 37.9 > g/dL > RDW 23.6H 13.6 21.7 % > %RETIC 0.2 > % > RETIC8.7 L 10.0 110.0 > K/?L > > WBC * 2.39 5.05 16.76K/?L > %NEU* 32.6 > % > %LYM* 36.8 > % > %MONO * 28.5 > % > %EOS * 0.4 > % > %BASO
Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC
Hi Deborah The CBC results are unusual. There is some anemia going on, and there is the low white cell count. There is also an elevated monocyte count. Most people are aware that white cells go up with an infection, but they can also go quite low with an infection – often if there is a focal area of inflammation/infection and white cells are moving out of the circulatory system to go to the site of infection in the tissues. My worry is that there ma be a source of infection somewhere. Monocytes can be elevated with a chronic infection as well. If it were my cat, I think I might ask the vets to give more in the way of antibiotics, with a broad enough spectrum to cover Gram positive and Gram negative organisms. I think I might insist on using Doxycycline along with another antibiotic, because the Doxycycline also has an effect on some more unusual organisms like some parasites and some viruses even. I think I would also try the Winstrol if it were me. Winstrol has an excellent enhancing effect on appetite, and may also help with the anemia. I myself wouldn’t be that worried about the prednisone/prednisolone but it probably wouldn’t hurt to hold off on that one and see if you get some improvement on the Doxycycline/Other Antibiotic/Winstrol combination. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Deborah Whorley Sent: July 25, 2019 2:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC Hi - one of my FeLV+ cats, Chablis (F, 5 yrs), has been dealing with constipation since Jan of this year. Last week she stopped eating like she does when she is “backed up” but 100 cc SQ fluids didn’t resolve the issue as it normally does. She also started wheezing Sat eve. I ended up with her in the emergency clinic on Sun and to my surprise her CBC was terrible (see below). Radiograph revealed no constipation or obvious masses in lungs/abdomen. ER vet, and my vet the next day, reluctant to give pred due to low WBC. Treating dehydration and inappetance with SQ fluids and mertazapine. ER vet also gave Convenia "just in case”. Going back on Fri to my vet for another CBC. Have been following this group for several years and want to try Amani’s treatment protocol, but does low WBC contraindicate giving prepnisolone and/or Winstrol? Thanks in advance for any advise. - Deb CBC (21Jul2019) NOTE: they did not repeat the analysis which, in hindsight, I should have insisted upon TestResultFlagNormal Range Measure RBC5.11 L 5.65 8.87 M/μL HCT24.4L 37.3 61.7 % HGB7.8 L 13.1 20.5 g/dL MCV 47.7L 61.6 73.5 fL MCH 15.3L 21.2 25.9 pg MCHC 32.0 32.0 37.9 g/dL RDW 23.6H 13.6 21.7 % %RETIC 0.2 % RETIC8.7 L 10.0 110.0 K/μL WBC * 2.39 5.05 16.76K/μL %NEU* 32.6 % %LYM* 36.8 % %MONO * 28.5 % %EOS * 0.4 % %BASO * 1.7 % NEU--.-- 2.95 11.64 K/μL BAND * Suspected LYM* 0.88 1.05 5.10K/μL MONO* 0.68 0.16 1.12 K/μL EOS * 0.01 0.06 1.23 K/μL BASO * 0.04 0.00 0.10 K/μL nRBC * Suspected PLT * 182 148 484 K/μL MPV 17.6H 8.7 13.2 fL PDW --.-- 9.1 19.4 fL PCT 0.320.14 0.46 % ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC
I am not knowledgeable enough to say anything, best left to Amani. I can pray for her. - Original Message - From: Deborah Whorley To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 02:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC Hi - one of my FeLV+ cats, Chablis (F, 5 yrs), has been dealing with constipation since Jan of this year. Last week she stopped eating like she does when she is “backed up” but 100 cc SQ fluids didn’t resolve the issue as it normally does. She also started wheezing Sat eve. I ended up with her in the emergency clinic on Sun and to my surprise her CBC was terrible (see below). Radiograph revealed no constipation or obvious masses in lungs/abdomen. ER vet, and my vet the next day, reluctant to give pred due to low WBC. Treating dehydration and inappetance with SQ fluids and mertazapine. ER vet also gave Convenia "just in case”. Going back on Fri to my vet for another CBC. Have been following this group for several years and want to try Amani’s treatment protocol, but does low WBC contraindicate giving prepnisolone and/or Winstrol? Thanks in advance for any advise. - DebCBC (21Jul2019) NOTE: they did not repeat the analysis which, in hindsight, I should have insisted uponTest Result Flag Normal Range MeasureRBC 5.11 L 5.65 8.87M/μLHCT 24.4 L 37.3 61.7 %HGB 7.8 L 13.1 20.5 g/dLMCV 47.7 L 61.6 73.5 fLMCH 15.3 L 21.2 25.9 pgMCHC 32.0 32.0 37.9 g/dLRDW 23.6 H 13.6 21.7 %%RETIC 0.2 %RETIC 8.7 L 10.0 110.0 K/μLWBC * 2.39 5.05 16.76 K/μL%NEU * 32.6 %%LYM * 36.8 %%MONO * 28.5 %%EOS * 0.4 %%BASO * 1.7 %NEU --.-- 2.95 11.64 K/μLBAND * SuspectedLYM * 0.88 1.05 5.10K/μLMONO * 0.68 0.16 1.12 K/μLEOS * 0.01 0.06 1.23 K/μLBASO * 0.04 0.00 0.10 K/μLnRBC * SuspectedPLT * 182 148 484 K/μLMPV 17.6 H 8.7 13.2 fLPDW --.-- 9.1 19.4 fLPCT 0.320.14 0.46 % ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Chablis - seeking advise about giving Pred/Doxy/Winstrol with low WBC
Hi - one of my FeLV+ cats, Chablis (F, 5 yrs), has been dealing with constipation since Jan of this year. Last week she stopped eating like she does when she is “backed up” but 100 cc SQ fluids didn’t resolve the issue as it normally does. She also started wheezing Sat eve. I ended up with her in the emergency clinic on Sun and to my surprise her CBC was terrible (see below). Radiograph revealed no constipation or obvious masses in lungs/abdomen. ER vet, and my vet the next day, reluctant to give pred due to low WBC. Treating dehydration and inappetance with SQ fluids and mertazapine. ER vet also gave Convenia "just in case”. Going back on Fri to my vet for another CBC. Have been following this group for several years and want to try Amani’s treatment protocol, but does low WBC contraindicate giving prepnisolone and/or Winstrol? Thanks in advance for any advise. - Deb CBC (21Jul2019) NOTE: they did not repeat the analysis which, in hindsight, I should have insisted upon Test Result Flag Normal Range Measure RBC 5.11 L 5.65 8.87 M/μL HCT 24.4 L 37.3 61.7 % HGB 7.8 L 13.1 20.5 g/dL MCV 47.7 L 61.6 73.5 fL MCH 15.3 L 21.2 25.9 pg MCHC 32.0 32.0 37.9 g/dL RDW 23.6 H 13.6 21.7 % %RETIC 0.2 % RETIC 8.7 L 10.0 110.0 K/μL WBC * 2.39 5.05 16.76 K/μL %NEU * 32.6 % %LYM * 36.8 % %MONO * 28.5 % %EOS * 0.4 % %BASO * 1.7 % NEU --.-- 2.95 11.64 K/μL BAND * Suspected LYM * 0.88 1.05 5.10K/μL MONO * 0.68 0.16 1.12 K/μL EOS * 0.01 0.06 1.23 K/μL BASO * 0.04 0.00 0.10 K/μL nRBC * Suspected PLT * 182 148 484 K/μL MPV 17.6 H 8.7 13.2 fL PDW --.-- 9.1 19.4 fL PCT 0.32 0.14 0.46 % ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FDA Increases Total Individual Award Amount for Minor Use/Minor Species Grants
That sure would be nice! > On Jun 15, 2019, at 1:09 PM, Lorraine Johnston > wrote: > > Perhaps there will be additional funding for FeLV research resulting from > this change. > > - Lorraine > > > If your email program has trouble displaying this email, view it as a web > page > <http://s2027422842.t.en25.com/e/es?s=2027422842=224317=376c7bc788024cd5a73d955f2e3dcbdc=1178abce339c494f9a140e6add5496c1=8386=1>. > > > > > > FDA Increases Total Individual Award Amount for Minor Use/Minor Species Grants > > > Application period opens June 14, 2019 > > The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today announced an open period for > applications for grants to support the development and approval or > conditional approval of new animal drugs intended to treat uncommon diseases > (minor uses) in major species (horses, dogs, cats, cattle, pigs, turkeys and > chickens) or to treat minor species (MUMS). The individual award amount has > been increased to a single funding level up to $250,000. > > The Minor Use and Minor Species Animal Health Act of 2004 (the MUMS act) > provides innovative ways to bring products to market for these small > populations and is designed to help veterinary pharmaceutical companies and > others overcome the financial roadblocks they face in providing animal drugs > for a limited market. Before this legislation, veterinary pharmaceutical > companies and others would rarely attempt to bring such drugs to market. The > MUMS act established the grant program. > > Grants awarded through the MUMS program support the FDA’s continuing mission > to assure that safe and effective animal drugs are available for a wide range > of species and conditions. > > > Read more > <http://s2027422842.t.en25.com/e/er?utm_campaign=6-14-2019-MUMSGrants_medium=email_source=Eloqua=2027422842=8353=3C91C3300655917EA59D591D87437846=1178abce339c494f9a140e6add5496c1=8386=1> > > > > > <http://s2027422842.t.en25.com/e/er?utm_campaign=6-14-2019-MUMSGrants_medium=email_source=Eloqua=2027422842=11=EC8FB39F90BA0488B8C1A2FBF2A765FF=1178abce339c494f9a140e6add5496c1=8386=1> > U.S. Food and Drug Administration > 10903 New Hampshire Avenue, Silver Spring, MD 20993 > 1-888-INFO-FDA (1-888-463-6332) > Privacy Policy > <https://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/AboutThisWebsite/WebsitePolicies/default.htm?utm_campaign=6-14-2019-MUMSGrants_medium=email_source=Eloqua=97465b0f8e0047fa991a1d069a1619aa=1178abce339c494f9a140e6add5496c1=8386=1=6888#privacy> > | www.fda.gov > <https://www.fda.gov/?utm_campaign=6-14-2019-MUMSGrants_medium=email_source=Eloqua=23294b99d9404d5b81de0b3a0999c2af=1178abce339c494f9a140e6add5496c1=8386=1=6888> > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > <http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Happy Father's Day
In the US, today is Father's Day. We wish all cat fathers in our group, in the US and worldwide, a happy Father's Day. Thank you for loving your FeLV cats and caring so well for them. Best regards, - Lorraine and Larry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FDA Increases Total Individual Award Amount for Minor Use/Minor Species Grants
Perhaps there will be additional funding for FeLV research resulting from this change. - Lorraine If your email program has trouble displaying this email, view it as a web page <http://s2027422842.t.en25.com/e/es?s=2027422842=224317=376c7bc788024cd5a73d955f2e3dcbdc=1178abce339c494f9a140e6add5496c1=8386=1> . <http://img04.en25.com/EloquaImages/clients/USDepartmentofHealthandHumanServicesFood/%7B978d2a57-b75d-4765-8032-6cce5cd09bae%7D_USFDA-Header-FINAL.png> FDA Increases Total Individual Award Amount for Minor Use/Minor Species Grants Application period opens June 14, 2019 The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today announced an open period for applications for grants to support the development and approval or conditional approval of new animal drugs intended to treat uncommon diseases (minor uses) in major species (horses, dogs, cats, cattle, pigs, turkeys and chickens) or to treat minor species (MUMS). The individual award amount has been increased to a single funding level up to $250,000. The Minor Use and Minor Species Animal Health Act of 2004 (the MUMS act) provides innovative ways to bring products to market for these small populations and is designed to help veterinary pharmaceutical companies and others overcome the financial roadblocks they face in providing animal drugs for a limited market. Before this legislation, veterinary pharmaceutical companies and others would rarely attempt to bring such drugs to market. The MUMS act established the grant program. Grants awarded through the MUMS program support the FDA’s continuing mission to assure that safe and effective animal drugs are available for a wide range of species and conditions. <http://s2027422842.t.en25.com/e/er?utm_campaign=6-14-2019-MUMSGrants_medium=email_source=Eloqua=2027422842=8353=3C91C3300655917EA59D591D87437846=1178abce339c494f9a140e6add5496c1=8386=1> Read more <http://s2027422842.t.en25.com/e/er?utm_campaign=6-14-2019-MUMSGrants_medium=email_source=Eloqua=2027422842=11=EC8FB39F90BA0488B8C1A2FBF2A765FF=1178abce339c494f9a140e6add5496c1=8386=1> U.S. Food and Drug Administration 10903 New Hampshire Avenue, Silver Spring, MD 20993 1-888-INFO-FDA (1-888-463-6332) Privacy Policy <https://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/AboutThisWebsite/WebsitePolicies/default.htm?utm_campaign=6-14-2019-MUMSGrants_medium=email_source=Eloqua=97465b0f8e0047fa991a1d069a1619aa=1178abce339c494f9a140e6add5496c1=8386=1=6888#privacy> | www.fda.gov <https://www.fda.gov/?utm_campaign=6-14-2019-MUMSGrants_medium=email_source=Eloqua=23294b99d9404d5b81de0b3a0999c2af=1178abce339c494f9a140e6add5496c1=8386=1=6888> <http://s2027422842.t.en25.com/e/FooterImages/FooterImage1?elq=1178abce339c494f9a140e6add5496c1=2027422842> _______ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv +
So very sorry Patricia – your love kept Nori going probably longer than she would have had. Ardy From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 9:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went there after work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a seizure. Vet medicated her so that seizure didn´t complete (diazepam and mannitol). I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a farewell. When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a cardiopulmonary arrest. They reanimated her but it could happen again. Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had passed away. As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian veterinarians says it is fip. I don´t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn´t bring her home on sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had one more day at home, with sun bath and love. I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could find for Nori. Thank you very much. Patrícia Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 às 00:22, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > escreveu: We’re all pulling for Nori. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: June 10, 2019 11:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping her in my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone combo works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking such good care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always. Ardy From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder. I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc. Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow. I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives external heating too. They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart rate several times a day. I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now. Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > escreveu: Patricia I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news on the rosy gingiva. Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells). I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the transfusion, she was active and eating on her own. Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the platelets recovered. I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up. I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 26
Thank you, Bob. Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 às 12:31, ROBERT CHAPEL escreveu: > I can't imagine anyone working harder to save a kittens life than you have > Patricia I'm sure we are ALL so sorry that it was not successful... > FeLV is such a terrible disease and your poor little girl has so many > complications... > Bob > > On June 11, 2019 at 10:56 AM felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > 1. Re: Rescued kitten felv + (Pam Doore) > > > ------ > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 10:55:23 -0400 > From: Pam Doore > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > You have my deepest sympathy Patricia! I am so so sorry! > > ~~@~@~@~@~@ > > *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, > Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? **St. Patrick* > > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 10:34 AM Patricia Oliveira < > cinzaeamar...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went there > after work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a seizure. > > Vet medicated her so that seizure didn?t complete (diazepam and mannitol). > > I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a farewell. > > When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a cardiopulmonary > arrest. They reanimated her but it could happen again. > > Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had passed > away. > > As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian veterinarians > says it is fip. > > I don?t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn?t bring her > home on sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had one more > day at home, with sun bath and love. > > I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could find for > Nori. > > Thank you very much. > > > > > Patr?cia > > Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 ?s 00:22, Amani Oakley > escreveu: > > >> We?re all pulling for Nori. > >> > >> > >> > >> Amani > >> > >> > >> > >> *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of > *Ardy > >> Robertson > >> *Sent:* June 10, 2019 11:21 PM > >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > >> > >> > >> > >> Hello all ? I?m following Nori?s progress and please know, I?m keeping > >> her in my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the > Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone > >> combo works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for > taking > >> such good care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always. > >> > >> Ardy > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of > *Amani > >> Oakley > >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM > >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > >> > >> > >> > >> One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous > >> fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for > now, it > >> makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the > IV > >> fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn?t take > much > >> to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder. > >> > >> > >> > >> I guess it?s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats > >> whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some > >> extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal > >> cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc. > >> > >> > >> > >> Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow. > >&g
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Dear Patricia, I am so sorry about Nori dying. She was a very lucky girl to have had you to help her at the end of her life. Sadly, - Lorraine . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went there after work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a seizure. Vet medicated her so that seizure didn´t complete (diazepam and mannitol). I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a farewell. When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a cardiopulmonary arrest. They reanimated her but it could happen again. Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had passed away. As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian veterinarians says it is fip. I don´t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn´t bring her home on sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had one more day at home, with sun bath and love. I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could find for Nori. Thank you very much. Patrícia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 26
I can't imagine anyone working harder to save a kittens life than you have Patricia I'm sure we are ALL so sorry that it was not successful... FeLV is such a terrible disease and your poor little girl has so many complications... Bob > On June 11, 2019 at 10:56 AM felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > mailto:felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > mailto:felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > 1. Re: Rescued kitten felv + (Pam Doore) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 10:55:23 -0400 > From: Pam Doore mailto:thyme2s...@gmail.com > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > Message-ID: > mailto:CA+-nMss0MKWsPUiV_q=0P8MgSktVcPjNzcem1O-y=bt0mbe...@mail.gmail.com > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > You have my deepest sympathy Patricia! I am so so sorry! > > ~~@~@~@~@~@ > > *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, > Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? **St. Patrick* > > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 10:34 AM Patricia Oliveira > mailto:cinzaeamar...@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > > Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went > there > > after work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a > > seizure. > > > > > > > > Vet medicated her so that seizure didn?t complete (diazepam and > mannitol). > > > > > > > > I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a > farewell. > > > > > > > > When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a > cardiopulmonary > > arrest. They reanimated her but it could happen again. > > > > > > > > Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had > passed > > away. > > > > > > > > As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian > veterinarians > > says it is fip. > > > > > > > > I don?t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn?t > bring her > > home on sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had > > one more > > day at home, with sun bath and love. > > > > > > > > I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could > find for > > Nori. > > > > > > > > Thank you very much. > > > > > > > > > > Patr?cia > > > > > > > > Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 ?s 00:22, Amani Oakley > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com > > > escreveu: > > > > > >> We?re all pulling for Nori. > >> > >> > >> > >> Amani > >> > >> > >> > >> *From:* Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > * On Behalf Of *Ardy > >> Robertson > >> *Sent:* June 10, 2019 11:21 PM > >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > >> > >> > >> > >> Hello all ? I?m following Nori?s progress and please know, I?m keeping > >> her in my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the > Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone > >> combo works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for > taking > >> such good care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always. > >> > >> Ardy > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> &g
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You have my deepest sympathy Patricia! I am so so sorry! ~~@~@~@~@~@ *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — **St. Patrick* On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 10:34 AM Patricia Oliveira wrote: > Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went there > after work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a seizure. > > Vet medicated her so that seizure didn´t complete (diazepam and mannitol). > > I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a farewell. > > When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a cardiopulmonary > arrest. They reanimated her but it could happen again. > > Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had passed > away. > > As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian veterinarians > says it is fip. > > I don´t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn´t bring her > home on sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had one more > day at home, with sun bath and love. > > I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could find for > Nori. > > Thank you very much. > > > Patrícia > > Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 às 00:22, Amani Oakley > escreveu: > >> We’re all pulling for Nori. >> >> >> >> Amani >> >> >> >> *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of *Ardy >> Robertson >> *Sent:* June 10, 2019 11:21 PM >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + >> >> >> >> Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping >> her in my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone >> combo works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking >> such good care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always. >> >> Ardy >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of *Amani >> Oakley >> *Sent:* Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + >> >> >> >> One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous >> fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it >> makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV >> fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much >> to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder. >> >> >> >> I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats >> whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some >> extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal >> cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc. >> >> >> >> Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow. >> >> >> >> I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori. >> >> >> >> Amani >> >> >> >> *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of >> *Patricia >> Oliveira >> *Sent:* June 8, 2019 9:53 PM >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + >> >> >> >> She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives >> external heating too. >> >> >> >> They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart >> rate several times a day. >> >> I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with >> fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley >> escreveu: >> >> Patricia >> >> >> >> I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good >> news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news >> on the rosy gingiva. >> >> >> >> Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a >> bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as >> a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack >> of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is >> consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now >> other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells). >> >> >> >> I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is &g
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Yesterday hospital called me saying Nori could come home. I went there after work and, while i waited for prescriptions, she started a seizure. Vet medicated her so that seizure didn´t complete (diazepam and mannitol). I stayed with her sometime, talked to her but i felt it was a farewell. When i arrive at home, vet called me to say Nori had a cardiopulmonary arrest. They reanimated her but it could happen again. Less then 30 minutes later, they called me again to say Nori had passed away. As always happens here, when a cat has seizures, brazilian veterinarians says it is fip. I don´t know what she really had, i am very sorrow for didn´t bring her home on sunday, when she was better. At least, she would have had one more day at home, with sun bath and love. I want to thank all of you. You were the best support i could find for Nori. Thank you very much. Patrícia Em ter, 11 de jun de 2019 às 00:22, Amani Oakley escreveu: > We’re all pulling for Nori. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk * On Behalf Of *Ardy > Robertson > *Sent:* June 10, 2019 11:21 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping her > in my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone > combo works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking > such good care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always. > > Ardy > > > > > > *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of *Amani > Oakley > *Sent:* Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous > fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it > makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV > fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much > to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder. > > > > I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats > whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some > extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal > cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc. > > > > Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow. > > > > I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk *On Behalf Of *Patricia > Oliveira > *Sent:* June 8, 2019 9:53 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives > external heating too. > > > > They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart > rate several times a day. > > I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with > fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now. > > > > > > > > Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley > escreveu: > > Patricia > > > > I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good > news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news > on the rosy gingiva. > > > > Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a > bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as > a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack > of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is > consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now > other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells). > > > > I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely > why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the > transfusion, she was active and eating on her own. > > > > Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on > the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that > with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the > platelets recovered. > > > > I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up. > > > > I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is > working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to > recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and > medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis > could help you now, and one would expect the neurologi
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We’re all pulling for Nori. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: June 10, 2019 11:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping her in my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone combo works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking such good care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always. Ardy From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder. I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc. Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow. I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives external heating too. They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart rate several times a day. I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now. Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> escreveu: Patricia I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news on the rosy gingiva. Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells). I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the transfusion, she was active and eating on her own. Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the platelets recovered. I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up. I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis could help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a difficult time seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the stuff happening. I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with you at home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might consider taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most strongly when I was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit and that made him feel better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>> On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: June 8, 2019 8:52 PM To: Sandra Wachtstetter mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net>>; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Thank you, Sandra :) I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there every day. She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a low temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is lower because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat. Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some hypotheses raised for this prostration are neurological, including a possible hypoxia before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was really low. Her blo
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Hello all – I’m following Nori’s progress and please know, I’m keeping her in my thoughts and prayers too, hoping the Stanizolol/Doxy/Prednisolone combo works for her. She has chosen her owners well, thank you for taking such good care of her. And thanks Amani for the good advice as always. Ardy From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her subcutaneous fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. However, for now, it makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume they are warming the IV fluids too, because again, with such a small kitten, it wouldn’t take much to chill her if the fluids are at room temperature or colder. I guess it’s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my cats whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs some extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc. Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow. I’m crossing my fingers for you and Nori. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. Receives external heating too. They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature and heart rate several times a day. I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even with fluids IV. I don´t know if it is safe to bring her now. Em sáb, 8 de jun de 2019 às 22:03, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > escreveu: Patricia I agree with you that it is too early to tell, but for sure it is good news that the haematocrit is moving in the right direction. Very good news on the rosy gingiva. Rouleaux is likely only due to the transfusion. She appears to have had a bit of transfusion reaction, so the cells may be sticking to one another as a result. (Red cells in Rouleaux formation means that the look like a stack of coins – one on top of the other. In humans, that presentation is consistent with multiple myeloma. I don’t think it means anything right now other than the new red cells may be reacting a bit with her own cells). I think she is working through the transfusion reaction, so that is likely why she is sleeping because you said that immediately after the transfusion, she was active and eating on her own. Low platelets are consistent with the FeLV presentation and the impact on the bone marrow. Hopefully, the Stanozolol will help. I seem to recall that with my Zander, I had the red cell numbers recover first, before the platelets recovered. I presume they have her on a heating pad to keep her body temperature up. I suspect it might be premature to look at the neurology right now. She is working through a lot, and is a tiny kitten. She needs to be given time to recover from the transfusion reaction, and to allow the good food and medication to start to work. I don’t know how a neurological diagnosis could help you now, and one would expect the neurologist will have a difficult time seeing a true neurological deficit, with all the rest of the stuff happening. I would also suggest that at some point, it is better for her to be with you at home. If they are not giving her anything like fluids, you might consider taking her home with you. I know with Zander, he reacted most strongly when I was there with him. I could get him to play a little bit and that made him feel better, and of course, lots of cuddles and kisses. Amani From: Felvtalk mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> > On Behalf Of Patricia Oliveira Sent: June 8, 2019 8:52 PM To: Sandra Wachtstetter mailto:swacht1...@comcast.net> >; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + Thank you, Sandra :) I visited Nori today. The hospital is in another city so I can't go there every day. She is a rosy gingiva, but continues to sleep most of the time and with a low temperature. One of the veterinarians there thinks that temperature is lower because of malnutrition, she has almost no lean mass and no fat. Nori will go through the evaluation of a neurologist tomorrow. Some hypotheses raised for this prostration are neurological, including a possible hypoxia before the first transfusion when her hematocrit was really low. Her blood work today is 30% hematocrit, the higher till now! So i think red cells aren´t being destroyed anymore, is it right or is it early to know? Some red cells in Rouleaux. Leukocytes are
Re: [Felvtalk] Nori's News
Patricia... I'm so happy that you have some _ good_ news for once... You are very special to care so lovingly for this unfortunate kitten and if she makes it there will be NO question she has you to thank... Bob in Warwick NY > On June 9, 2019 at 9:33 PM felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Rescued kitten felv + (Sandra Wachtstetter) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 21:33:11 -0400 (EDT) > From: Sandra Wachtstetter > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > Message-ID: <323934897.346017.1560130392...@connect.xfinity.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Awesome news!!! > > > > On June 9, 2019 at 2:09 PM Patricia Oliveira > > wrote: > > > > Hi! > > > > I have experience with subqs. > > > > Nori is really better today! She ate 2 dishes of wet food while i was > > there. She is more active and attentive to what happens. > > > > Neurologist said Nori has a deficiency on the left side of the body, as > > if she had a stroke. It can be because of anemia, an inflammation or even > > malnutrition. > > > > Vet added a brain supplement (MCT's) to Nori's prescription. > > > > Fip isn't discarded but felv also justify this condition so I hope she > > has nothing more. > > > > Vets said maybe Nori can come home tomorrow :) > > > > Thank you! > > > > Patr?cia > > > > > > Em s?b, 8 de jun de 2019 ?s 23:23, Amani Oakley < > > aoak...@oakleylegal.com mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com > escreveu: > > > > > > > > > One option is to ask your vet to show you how to give her > > > subcutaneous fluids, which I do all the time for my cats if needed. > > > However, for now, it makes sense to leave her there I guess. I presume > > > they are warming the IV fluids too, because again, with such a small > > > kitten, it wouldn?t take much to chill her if the fluids are at room > > > temperature or colder. > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess it?s just me. I am pretty adamant about taking home my > > > cats whenever possible, but I understand that Nori sounds like she needs > > > some extra help. I just find that the cats respond far better to personal > > > cuddling and love, and this makes them feel better, eat more, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hopefully, she will feel better tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > > > I?m crossing my fingers for you and Nori. > > > > > > > > > > > > Amani > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Felvtalk > > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > On Behalf Of Patricia > > > Oliveira > > > Sent: June 8, 2019 9:53 PM > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescued kitten felv + > > > > > > > > > > > > She has fluids IV all the time and replenishment of potassium. > > > Receives external heating too. > > > > > > > > > > > > They monitor pressure (low sometimes), oxygenation, temperature > > > and heart rate several times a day. > > > > > > I wish she could come home soon but she has been dehydrated even > > > with fluids IV. I don?t know if it is safe to bring her now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Em s?b, 8 de jun de 2019 ?s 22:03, Amani Oakley > > > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com >
[Felvtalk] Nori - neuro symptoms
Hi, Patricia, Just a thought to mention to the neurologist: if Nori is having neurologic symptoms, perhaps a test for toxoplasmosis would be wise. And you might also want to mention to the treating vets that opiates allow some drugs that would not otherwise cross the blood/brain barrier to do so. Thus if her neurologic symptoms are the result of some infection, giving her an opiate such as buprenorphine along with an antibiotic could help the drug reach brain tissue it might not otherwise reach. Best regards, Lorraine___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
