Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV induced non-regenerative anemia treatment question
I think you’re low on the doxycycline. If you’re going to give it twice a day, stick to ¼ twice a day. Also, if Oliver has trouble keeping food down (as my Zander did when I put this “protocol” together) I added metoclopramide ¼ tablet a little before I would feed him. Amani From: Felvtalk On Behalf Of Oliver Mccann Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 2:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV induced non-regenerative anemia treatment question Hi everyone, My cat Oliver is 3.5 and has been diagnosed with FeLV and appears to have non regenerative anemia. So far he has been through 5 blood transfusions over the last month, the first 3 in the hospital in the first 6 days, and now he seems to be about a week to nine days in between. We couldn't get him stable enough to do a bone marrow aspiration before we started him on steroids so we don't have the full picture, but I want to do whatever I can to help. I have perused the archives and I think I have come up with a treatment plan but I want to run it by everyone to see if I am doing it right. So far I have seen the best treatment option to be Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day This is the most common treatment I see you guys recommend. Right now he is only on Prednisolone. I have read about Acemannan and Sodium Ascorbate treatments that may work but I haven't seen any info on that in the archives. Also what so you guys think about LTCI? Thanks is advance. We have insurance on the little guy so $$ is not much of a problem. We are willing to try anything. Cheers, -Ben Pavlichek ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FeLV induced non-regenerative anemia treatment question
Hi everyone, My cat Oliver is 3.5 and has been diagnosed with FeLV and appears to have non regenerative anemia. So far he has been through 5 blood transfusions over the last month, the first 3 in the hospital in the first 6 days, and now he seems to be about a week to nine days in between. We couldn't get him stable enough to do a bone marrow aspiration before we started him on steroids so we don't have the full picture, but I want to do whatever I can to help. I have perused the archives and I think I have come up with a treatment plan but I want to run it by everyone to see if I am doing it right. So far I have seen the best treatment option to be Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a dayThis is the most common treatment I see you guys recommend. Right now he is only on Prednisolone. I have read about Acemannan and Sodium Ascorbate treatments that may work but I haven't seen any info on that in the archives. Also what so you guys think about LTCI? Thanks is advance. We have insurance on the little guy so $$ is not much of a problem. We are willing to try anything. Cheers, -Ben Pavlichek___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp
There is no problem with the recommended change. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: May-13-18 1:44 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp Hi Amani and everyone else who’s been helping me with this post - I shared the recommended drug protocol with a friend of mine who isn’t a vet but has worked for years in animal rescue and has also worked at both the local Humane Society and the local county shelter. She also attends a lot of vet conferences. She sent me the following... If your vet is willing to prescribe this regimen, I'd give it a try with one CRITICAL CHANGE. NEVER use doxycycline tablets/capsules with cats as doxy can cause esophageal strictures. You can get compounded doxycycline is 50 mg/ml, so dose would be 0.4 - 0.5 ml twice a day. Do you foresee any issues with using the Doxy in liquid format? I also wanted to get the Prednisolone in liquid as Flaqui is very difficult to pill. Thanks Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi On May 10, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Thank you Sandy. You saved me from repeating what I have posted so very often now. Mirabel, regarding the Aranesp, it is a product which mimics the effects of erythropoietin. I do not believe it will assist because erythropoietin tells the bone marrow to produce more red cells. With FeLV, it infects the cells in the bone marrow which produce all three cell lines (red cells, white cells, platelets). The cells are taken over and destroyed by the virus, which means that the bone marrow can no longer produce red cells, white cells and/or platelets. The erythropoietin or Aranesp is speaking to these cells and telling them to churn out more red cells, but the bone marrow cells can no longer do that. My experience with the Winstrol is that after my cat had the very worst results (HAEMATOCRIT OF FIVE!!!, ZERO % RETICULOCYTES, etc.) and AFTER I had given him several bouts of blood transfusions, the Winstrol turned back on the bone marrow and he began producing red cells, white cells and platelets again. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Sent: May-10-18 8:48 PM To: Maribel Piloto; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp This is long because I just copied this whole conversation - but your answer lies in this combination of drugs - make no mistake this will work if your vet will give it a try - there is nothing to lose - BUT you and the vet need to act immediately. - good luck. You will probably get more responses - Sandy W Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow moving stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of the effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of apometocloprimide. If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely increase in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might also increase the liver enzymes faster. Hope this helps! Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV Amani, Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they must have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them. Thanks, Gary On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote: Hi Sherri I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back into the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to interfere with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, though I believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. But at the outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the Doxycycline on board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it from rising. Amani ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Hi Liz The only thing that works to turn back on red cell production is Winstrol (Stanazolol). It is an ANABOLIC steroid (as opposed to most steroids we are used to getting, li
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp
Hi Amani and everyone else who’s been helping me with this post - I shared the recommended drug protocol with a friend of mine who isn’t a vet but has worked for years in animal rescue and has also worked at both the local Humane Society and the local county shelter. She also attends a lot of vet conferences. She sent me the following... > If your vet is willing to prescribe this regimen, I'd give it a try with one > CRITICAL CHANGE. NEVER use doxycycline tablets/capsules with cats as doxy > can cause esophageal strictures. You can get compounded doxycycline is 50 > mg/ml, so dose would be 0.4 - 0.5 ml twice a day. Do you foresee any issues with using the Doxy in liquid format? I also wanted to get the Prednisolone in liquid as Flaqui is very difficult to pill. Thanks Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi > On May 10, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: > > Thank you Sandy. You saved me from repeating what I have posted so very often > now. > > Mirabel, regarding the Aranesp, it is a product which mimics the effects of > erythropoietin. I do not believe it will assist because erythropoietin tells > the bone marrow to produce more red cells. With FeLV, it infects the cells in > the bone marrow which produce all three cell lines (red cells, white cells, > platelets). The cells are taken over and destroyed by the virus, which means > that the bone marrow can no longer produce red cells, white cells and/or > platelets. The erythropoietin or Aranesp is speaking to these cells and > telling them to churn out more red cells, but the bone marrow cells can no > longer do that. My experience with the Winstrol is that after my cat had the > very worst results (HAEMATOCRIT OF FIVE!!!, ZERO % RETICULOCYTES, etc.) and > AFTER I had given him several bouts of blood transfusions, the Winstrol > turned back on the bone marrow and he began producing red cells, white cells > and platelets again. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy > Sent: May-10-18 8:48 PM > To: Maribel Piloto; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp > > This is long because I just copied this whole conversation - but your answer > lies in this combination of drugs - make no mistake this will work if your > vet will give it a try - there is nothing to lose - BUT you and the vet need > to act immediately. - good luck. You will probably get more responses - Sandy > W > > > > Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day > > Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day > > Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day > > If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow > moving stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of > the effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of > apometocloprimide. > > If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might > consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and > kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely > increase in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might > also increase the liver enzymes faster. > > Hope this helps! Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary > Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV > > Amani, > > Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they > must have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them. > > Thanks, Gary > > On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi Sherri > > I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is > that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back > into the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to > interfere with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, > though I believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. > But at the outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the > Doxycycline on board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it > from rising. > > Amani > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > Hi Liz > > The only thing that works to turn back on red cell production is Winstrol > (Stanazolol). It is an
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp
Maribel, When I gave it to Tigger, the results were very fast – within days – so much so that the lab re-ran his results, thinking they must have made a mistake the first time around and that he was not as flat-lined as they had originally thought. Amani is the expert in the lab results though and she can tell you the best time to do the follow up blood work. Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2018 4:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp Thank you everyone. Vet was impressed with all your e-mails and agreed to get me the Winstrol and other two meds. We’re trying to get it from a local pharmacy but if not, Roadrunner apparently has it. One question - how soon after I start this drug regimen should I have bloodwork done on Flaqui to see if it’s working? Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi On May 12, 2018, at 5:32 PM, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net <mailto:ar...@centurytel.net> > wrote: Hi Maribel, I totally agree about Zander’s Protocol being your best option, and that it needs to be started as soon as possible. One thing I might add, if it was not mentioned in the comments by Amani and Sandy is that if your vet will order it for you, they might not know of a source for it. Your vet can prescribe and order it online at www.diamondbackdrugs.com <http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com> -- this is a large compounding pharmacy in Arizona, and they will ship it anywhere. Their phone number is 866-578-4420 if you want to call them. The Winstrol comes in several flavors, and forms. I believe it was around $40 when I used it for my Tigger. Best wishes to you and Flaqui. Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 10:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp Thank you guys.Very encouraging. Now let’s see if I can get my vet to prescribe the Winstrol. I’m sending him all the things you have written. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi On May 10, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > wrote: Thank you Sandy. You saved me from repeating what I have posted so very often now. Mirabel, regarding the Aranesp, it is a product which mimics the effects of erythropoietin. I do not believe it will assist because erythropoietin tells the bone marrow to produce more red cells. With FeLV, it infects the cells in the bone marrow which produce all three cell lines (red cells, white cells, platelets). The cells are taken over and destroyed by the virus, which means that the bone marrow can no longer produce red cells, white cells and/or platelets. The erythropoietin or Aranesp is speaking to these cells and telling them to churn out more red cells, but the bone marrow cells can no longer do that. My experience with the Winstrol is that after my cat had the very worst results (HAEMATOCRIT OF FIVE!!!, ZERO % RETICULOCYTES, etc.) and AFTER I had given him several bouts of blood transfusions, the Winstrol turned back on the bone marrow and he began producing red cells, white cells and platelets again. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Sent: May-10-18 8:48 PM To: Maribel Piloto; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp This is long because I just copied this whole conversation - but your answer lies in this combination of drugs - make no mistake this will work if your vet will give it a try - there is nothing to lose - BUT you and the vet need to act immediately. - good luck. You will probably get more responses - Sandy W Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow moving stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of the effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of apometocloprimide. If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely increase in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might also increase the liver enzymes faster. Hope this helps! Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mai
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp
Thank you everyone. Vet was impressed with all your e-mails and agreed to get me the Winstrol and other two meds. We’re trying to get it from a local pharmacy but if not, Roadrunner apparently has it. One question - how soon after I start this drug regimen should I have bloodwork done on Flaqui to see if it’s working? Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi > On May 12, 2018, at 5:32 PM, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: > > Hi Maribel, > I totally agree about Zander’s Protocol being your best option, and that it > needs to be started as soon as possible. One thing I might add, if it was not > mentioned in the comments by Amani and Sandy is that if your vet will order > it for you, they might not know of a source for it. Your vet can prescribe > and order it online at www.diamondbackdrugs.com -- this is a large > compounding pharmacy in Arizona, and they will ship it anywhere. Their phone > number is 866-578-4420 if you want to call them. The Winstrol comes in > several flavors, and forms. I believe it was around $40 when I used it for my > Tigger. Best wishes to you and Flaqui. > Ardy > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Maribel Piloto > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 10:38 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp > > Thank you guys.Very encouraging. Now let’s see if I can get my vet to > prescribe the Winstrol. I’m sending him all the things you have written. > > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > On May 10, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: > > Thank you Sandy. You saved me from repeating what I have posted so very often > now. > > Mirabel, regarding the Aranesp, it is a product which mimics the effects of > erythropoietin. I do not believe it will assist because erythropoietin tells > the bone marrow to produce more red cells. With FeLV, it infects the cells in > the bone marrow which produce all three cell lines (red cells, white cells, > platelets). The cells are taken over and destroyed by the virus, which means > that the bone marrow can no longer produce red cells, white cells and/or > platelets. The erythropoietin or Aranesp is speaking to these cells and > telling them to churn out more red cells, but the bone marrow cells can no > longer do that. My experience with the Winstrol is that after my cat had the > very worst results (HAEMATOCRIT OF FIVE!!!, ZERO % RETICULOCYTES, etc.) and > AFTER I had given him several bouts of blood transfusions, the Winstrol > turned back on the bone marrow and he began producing red cells, white cells > and platelets again. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy > Sent: May-10-18 8:48 PM > To: Maribel Piloto; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp > > This is long because I just copied this whole conversation - but your answer > lies in this combination of drugs - make no mistake this will work if your > vet will give it a try - there is nothing to lose - BUT you and the vet need > to act immediately. - good luck. You will probably get more responses - Sandy > W > > > > Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day > > Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day > > Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day > > If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow > moving stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of > the effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of > apometocloprimide. > > If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might > consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and > kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely > increase in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might > also increase the liver enzymes faster. > > Hope this helps! Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary > Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV > > Amani, > > Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they > must have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them. > > Thanks, Gary > > On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi Sherri > > I hope you got some good news today
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp
Hi Maribel, I totally agree about Zander’s Protocol being your best option, and that it needs to be started as soon as possible. One thing I might add, if it was not mentioned in the comments by Amani and Sandy is that if your vet will order it for you, they might not know of a source for it. Your vet can prescribe and order it online at www.diamondbackdrugs.com <http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com> -- this is a large compounding pharmacy in Arizona, and they will ship it anywhere. Their phone number is 866-578-4420 if you want to call them. The Winstrol comes in several flavors, and forms. I believe it was around $40 when I used it for my Tigger. Best wishes to you and Flaqui. Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 10:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp Thank you guys.Very encouraging. Now let’s see if I can get my vet to prescribe the Winstrol. I’m sending him all the things you have written. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi On May 10, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > wrote: Thank you Sandy. You saved me from repeating what I have posted so very often now. Mirabel, regarding the Aranesp, it is a product which mimics the effects of erythropoietin. I do not believe it will assist because erythropoietin tells the bone marrow to produce more red cells. With FeLV, it infects the cells in the bone marrow which produce all three cell lines (red cells, white cells, platelets). The cells are taken over and destroyed by the virus, which means that the bone marrow can no longer produce red cells, white cells and/or platelets. The erythropoietin or Aranesp is speaking to these cells and telling them to churn out more red cells, but the bone marrow cells can no longer do that. My experience with the Winstrol is that after my cat had the very worst results (HAEMATOCRIT OF FIVE!!!, ZERO % RETICULOCYTES, etc.) and AFTER I had given him several bouts of blood transfusions, the Winstrol turned back on the bone marrow and he began producing red cells, white cells and platelets again. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Sent: May-10-18 8:48 PM To: Maribel Piloto; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp This is long because I just copied this whole conversation - but your answer lies in this combination of drugs - make no mistake this will work if your vet will give it a try - there is nothing to lose - BUT you and the vet need to act immediately. - good luck. You will probably get more responses - Sandy W Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow moving stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of the effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of apometocloprimide. If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely increase in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might also increase the liver enzymes faster. Hope this helps! Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV Amani, Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they must have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them. Thanks, Gary On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote: Hi Sherri I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back into the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to interfere with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, though I believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. But at the outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the Doxycycline on board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it from rising. Amani ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Hi Liz The only thing that works to turn back on red cell production is Winstrol (Stanazolol). It is an AN
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp
Thank you guys.Very encouraging. Now let’s see if I can get my vet to prescribe the Winstrol. I’m sending him all the things you have written. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi > On May 10, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: > > Thank you Sandy. You saved me from repeating what I have posted so very often > now. > > Mirabel, regarding the Aranesp, it is a product which mimics the effects of > erythropoietin. I do not believe it will assist because erythropoietin tells > the bone marrow to produce more red cells. With FeLV, it infects the cells in > the bone marrow which produce all three cell lines (red cells, white cells, > platelets). The cells are taken over and destroyed by the virus, which means > that the bone marrow can no longer produce red cells, white cells and/or > platelets. The erythropoietin or Aranesp is speaking to these cells and > telling them to churn out more red cells, but the bone marrow cells can no > longer do that. My experience with the Winstrol is that after my cat had the > very worst results (HAEMATOCRIT OF FIVE!!!, ZERO % RETICULOCYTES, etc.) and > AFTER I had given him several bouts of blood transfusions, the Winstrol > turned back on the bone marrow and he began producing red cells, white cells > and platelets again. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy > Sent: May-10-18 8:48 PM > To: Maribel Piloto; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp > > This is long because I just copied this whole conversation - but your answer > lies in this combination of drugs - make no mistake this will work if your > vet will give it a try - there is nothing to lose - BUT you and the vet need > to act immediately. - good luck. You will probably get more responses - Sandy > W > > > > Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day > > Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day > > Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day > > If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow > moving stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of > the effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of > apometocloprimide. > > If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might > consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and > kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely > increase in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might > also increase the liver enzymes faster. > > Hope this helps! Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary > Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV > > Amani, > > Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they > must have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them. > > Thanks, Gary > > On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi Sherri > > I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is > that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back > into the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to > interfere with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, > though I believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. > But at the outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the > Doxycycline on board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it > from rising. > > Amani > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > Hi Liz > > The only thing that works to turn back on red cell production is Winstrol > (Stanazolol). It is an ANABOLIC steroid (as opposed to most steroids we are > used to getting, like prednisone, which is a corticosteroid. > > Anabolic steroids are ones which build muscle, tissue, etc. > > Adding Winstrol to the combination of medication you have your cat on right > now, would be the best thing to do. The Doxycycline acts to slow down or > inhibit the reproduction of the FeLV virus by interfering the RNA > duplication. The prednisone is helpful in keeping inflammation at bay, but > neither of these helps to increase the red cells. The Winstrol acts directly > and very quickly on the bone marrow and seems to get
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp
Thank you Sandy. You saved me from repeating what I have posted so very often now. Mirabel, regarding the Aranesp, it is a product which mimics the effects of erythropoietin. I do not believe it will assist because erythropoietin tells the bone marrow to produce more red cells. With FeLV, it infects the cells in the bone marrow which produce all three cell lines (red cells, white cells, platelets). The cells are taken over and destroyed by the virus, which means that the bone marrow can no longer produce red cells, white cells and/or platelets. The erythropoietin or Aranesp is speaking to these cells and telling them to churn out more red cells, but the bone marrow cells can no longer do that. My experience with the Winstrol is that after my cat had the very worst results (HAEMATOCRIT OF FIVE!!!, ZERO % RETICULOCYTES, etc.) and AFTER I had given him several bouts of blood transfusions, the Winstrol turned back on the bone marrow and he began producing red cells, white cells and platelets again. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Sent: May-10-18 8:48 PM To: Maribel Piloto; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp This is long because I just copied this whole conversation - but your answer lies in this combination of drugs - make no mistake this will work if your vet will give it a try - there is nothing to lose - BUT you and the vet need to act immediately. - good luck. You will probably get more responses - Sandy W Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow moving stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of the effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of apometocloprimide. If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely increase in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might also increase the liver enzymes faster. Hope this helps! Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV Amani, Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they must have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them. Thanks, Gary On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote: Hi Sherri I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back into the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to interfere with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, though I believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. But at the outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the Doxycycline on board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it from rising. Amani ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Hi Liz The only thing that works to turn back on red cell production is Winstrol (Stanazolol). It is an ANABOLIC steroid (as opposed to most steroids we are used to getting, like prednisone, which is a corticosteroid. Anabolic steroids are ones which build muscle, tissue, etc. Adding Winstrol to the combination of medication you have your cat on right now, would be the best thing to do. The Doxycycline acts to slow down or inhibit the reproduction of the FeLV virus by interfering the RNA duplication. The prednisone is helpful in keeping inflammation at bay, but neither of these helps to increase the red cells. The Winstrol acts directly and very quickly on the bone marrow and seems to get red cells generated again, quite promptly. At least it did for my Zander, and I have been contacted directly by several people from this group, who have reported to me that they also saw almost immediate (within 3 days) evidence of their cats’ gums/ears/pads pinkening up. The problem is that Winstrol is a controversial drug because it is also what professional athletes use to get bigger, stronger and faster. Quite unfortunately (since none of our cats are entering the Olympics) that association with doping scandals has cast a shadow on its use in both animal and people medicine. In human medicine, it is the only drug found to be effective in treating hereditary angioedema and anemia. Here is a blurb I found about it: Winstrol was first invented in 1959
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp
This is long because I just copied this whole conversation - but your answer lies in this combination of drugs - make no mistake this will work if your vet will give it a try - there is nothing to lose - BUT you and the vet need to act immediately. - good luck. You will probably get more responses - Sandy W Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow moving stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of the effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of apometocloprimide. If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely increase in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might also increase the liver enzymes faster. Hope this helps! Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV Amani, Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they must have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them. Thanks, Gary On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote: Hi Sherri I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back into the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to interfere with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, though I believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. But at the outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the Doxycycline on board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it from rising. Amani ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Hi Liz The only thing that works to turn back on red cell production is Winstrol (Stanazolol). It is an ANABOLIC steroid (as opposed to most steroids we are used to getting, like prednisone, which is a corticosteroid. Anabolic steroids are ones which build muscle, tissue, etc. Adding Winstrol to the combination of medication you have your cat on right now, would be the best thing to do. The Doxycycline acts to slow down or inhibit the reproduction of the FeLV virus by interfering the RNA duplication. The prednisone is helpful in keeping inflammation at bay, but neither of these helps to increase the red cells. The Winstrol acts directly and very quickly on the bone marrow and seems to get red cells generated again, quite promptly. At least it did for my Zander, and I have been contacted directly by several people from this group, who have reported to me that they also saw almost immediate (within 3 days) evidence of their cats’ gums/ears/pads pinkening up. The problem is that Winstrol is a controversial drug because it is also what professional athletes use to get bigger, stronger and faster. Quite unfortunately (since none of our cats are entering the Olympics) that association with doping scandals has cast a shadow on its use in both animal and people medicine. In human medicine, it is the only drug found to be effective in treating hereditary angioedema and anemia. Here is a blurb I found about it: Winstrol was first invented in 1959. Soon after that, the UK based Winthrop Laboratories created a prescription medicine from it. Later, in 1961, Winthrop’s patent was bought by the US based Sterling that started manufacturing and selling the drug in the American markets. In the beginning, Winstrol was used for a variety of medical reasons. But later, by the 1970s, the FDA had restricted its use to only promoting growth and treating osteoporosis. In the 1980s, there was a termination of the manufacture of anabolic steroids in the American market. But Winstrol was among those steroids which not only survived, but thrived in the 1980s and 1990s. During this period, its use was reinforced as a cure for anemia – as it had the power to boost red blood cell count, and was used as a treatment for facial swelling or angioedema. When the manufacture of Winstrol was finally discontinued, Ovation Pharmaceuticals bought the rights to manufacture it, in 2003. However, Ovation Pharmaceuticals have ceased their operations now, so the Winstrol products available today in the American markets are only generic and not pharmaceutical grade. Outside the USA, however, several large brands still manufacture and sell Winstrol. Genuine Stanozolol can be distinguished in water suspensions because it separates from the liquid into micrometer
[Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp
Hi all, I have a Leuk+ girl who is getting very anemic. Her name is Flaqui. She showed up at one of the colonies I feed a couple of months ago (already spayed) and was so thin I thought she was an elderly cat with not much time left so I took her home to give her some comfort in her final days. When I took her to the vet it turned out that she isn't that old (vet things 4-5) but she's Leuk+. I decided to keep her in my room where I have another Leuk+ guy. I'm building a little catio for them outside one of the bedroom windows so they can enjoy the outside. Flaqui's numbers in January 2018 were... RBC - 4.15 M/ul (5.00-10.00) LOWHCT - 20.2% (30.0-45.0) LOWHGB 6.8 g/dl (9.0-15.1) LOWMCV 48.7 fL (41.0-58.0)MCH - 16.5 pg (12.0-20.0)MCHC - 33.8 g/dL (29.0-37.5)RDW - 20.5% (17.3-22.0)%RETIC - 1.3%RETIC - 53.2 K/uL (3.0-50.0) HIGHWBC - 15.30 K/uL (5.50-19.50)EOS - 1.8 K/uL (0.10-0.79) HIGHPLT - 663 K/uL (175-600)Everything else was normal I started her on Liqui-Tinic which is a supplement containing iron and B-12 among other things. Also giving her Vetri-DMG. She initially had very bad diarrhea but I managed to clear this with Metronidazole. She's also been dewormed and got Revolution. Despite eating and showing an interest in food, she has been losing weight (down to 5 lbs) so last week I had bloodwork done again. Here are the results... RBC - 3.79 M/ul (5.00-10.00) LOWHCT - 14.8% (30.0-45.0) LOWHGB 8.1 g/dl (9.0-15.1) LOWMCV 39.2 fL (41.0-58.0) LOWMCH - 21.4 pg (12.0-20.0) HIGHMCHC - --- g/dL (29.0-37.5)RDW - 21.7% (17.3-22.0)%RETIC - 1.1%RETIC - 40.7 K/uL (3.0-50.0)WBC - 22.73. K/uL (5.50-19.50) HIGHNEU - 18.48 K/uL (2.50-12.50) HIGHPLT 698 K/uL (175-600) HIGHEverything else was normal My vet told me to start her on Clavamox since the white blood cell count was high which is indicative on an infection somewhere. I was really alarmed by the HCT number because I had a cat with chronic renal failure and anemia some years back and I know that once the HCT numbers get below 20% it can be very dangerous. With that cat, Grayson, I used Aranesp very successfully to treat his anemia. He eventually succumbed to the kidney failure but the Aranesp kept his anemia at bay. I've been reading that blood transfusions are one of the things to do with Leuk+ cats once the HCT numbers get low but blood transfusions in my area (South FL) are in the $1000 range and I manage 6 colonies and have other cats at home with medical needs including one that needs a full mouth extraction for stomatitis and I just can't spend that type of money on Flaqui. Do you guys think that Aranesp is something that would work on her? She does not have kidney problems. However, based on the reticulocyte levels, she does seem to have non-regenerative anaemia. I read this document at Tanya's Comprehensive Guide to Feline Chronic Kidney Disease that explains that the reticulocyte level needs to be adjusted based on PCV... In particular, since reticulocytes are commonly expressed in percentage terms, they need to be adjusted to allow for the degree of anaemia, i.e. 1% reticulocytes in a cat with a PCV of 20% is twice as many as 1% reticulocytes in a cat with a PCV of 10%. Let's assume your cat's PCV is 18% and the measured reticulocyte count is 0.75%. You multiply the PCV by the measured count, then divide the result by the normal PCV level (35% for many laboratories). In this instance, you would get an adjusted result of 0.39%, which indicates non-regeneration. In contrast, if your cat's PCV was 13% and the measured reticulocyte count was 0.75%, your adjusted result would be 0.28. This also indicates non-regeneration, but it is more severe (i.e. the lower the corrected value, the lower the regenerative response). Flaqui's adjusted reticulocyte level is 14.8HCT X 1.1 RET = 16.28/35 = .46 which indicates non-regeneration. Any help would be appreciated. Flaqui has been doing better the last couple of days. I think the Clavamox helped - but I really wish I could improve those HCT numbers. Maribel & Flaqui. "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia
If it is truly non regenerative anemia a blood transfusion will only buy her a short amount of time because, as my vet told me, she will be unable to remake the red blood cells once they die off. Mine went downhill pretty fast with nonregenerative anemia. We tried antiobiotics just in case it was hemobartonella, but it did nothing. I had their blood check twice a week, but they were gone within 3 weeks. What was her PCV? It usually is very low if they are to the point of eating litter. Give her lots of love make sure she is not suffering. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Susan Loesch pipercat...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:56 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia Hello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a positive who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local shelter...she had begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been tested when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was positive but no followup care or testing was done. We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not bad enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely non-regenerative. We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she came in with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her life will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well. SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what do you recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have always found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only marginally with Felv. Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia
Susan, I have had a lot of experience with FelV having a shelter with several FelV cats. I wish I could give you more encouraging news, but if she is at the point of eating litter she is desperately sick. With noregenerative anemia a blood transfusion will only buy her a very small amount of time. The virus is in her bone marrow will be unable to make more red blood cells. This lack of red blood will affect her heart, liver, kidneys and all internal organs as her lungs cannot get enough oxygenated blood to them. It will be a painful death as she deteriorates. I saw one of our FelV cats die like this and I will never allow it to happen again. My advice is to have her euthanized before she gets in this shape. I know it's a terribly difficult, decision, but better too soon that later. Most of the When kittens are born wth FelV they almost always die, as their immune systems are too immature to fight the virus. My last rescued litter of 4 FelV kittens died at 7 months 9 months 11 months and one made it to a year old. Older cats seem able to fight it off sometimes. Lorrie From: Susan Loesch pipercat...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:56 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia Hello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a positive who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local shelter...she had begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been tested when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was positive but no followup care or testing was done. We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not bad enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely non-regenerative. We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she came in with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her life will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well. SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what do you recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have always found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only marginally with Felv. Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia
I very very strongly disagree with this advice to euthanize her because her PCV is at 21.7. There are some processes that can cause moderate anemia that can be addressed. If she is terminal, sometimes high doses of steroids can give them a very good quality of life for a few months. I had an FeLV+ cat who was literally running around and jumping even when his PCV was down to 6, because he was on high doses of steroids (on a shot of 1/2 dexamethasone and 1/2 depomedrol repeated as necessary, at first every week or two and at the end daily) and because his blood count went down slowly enough for him to adjust. Dying from anemia itself is not painful, if that is all that is wrong-- I just had a cat with hemolytic anemia who killed his own rbc's off very fast and as gone in 10 days and he died at home while we were still trying to save him, and he went very peacefully, anemia is just like very extreme exhaustion. I am not saying not to euthanize, but you will have plenty of time to make that decision when they get bad enough, it's not usually very fast and if it is it is not usually bad if it's really soley anemia and not something like cancer in their liver or something. If it's from lymphoma in the bone marrow, steroids in high doses will actually resolve the anemia for a while and control the lymphoma. Not for a long time, a few months at most, but it can be good time. If it's FIP-- my FeLV+ cat who was running around at PCV of 6 had dry FIP, it can take longer, it took 6 months with him. And now there are drugs that help with dry FIP sometimes. So I strongly recommend trying to figure out what is going on and at the very least trying high doses of steroids and see if it gives good quality of life for a while. Michelle -Original Message- From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 9:31 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia Susan, I have had a lot of experience with FelV having a shelter with several FelV cats. I wish I could give you more encouraging news, but if she is at the point of eating litter she is desperately sick. With noregenerative anemia a blood transfusion will only buy her a very small amount of time. The virus is in her bone marrow will be unable to make more red blood cells. This lack of red blood will affect her heart, liver, kidneys and all internal organs as her lungs cannot get enough oxygenated blood to them. It will be a painful death as she deteriorates. I saw one of our FelV cats die like this and I will never allow it to happen again. My advice is to have her euthanized before she gets in this shape. I know it's a terribly difficult, decision, but better too soon that later. Most of the When kittens are born wth FelV they almost always die, as their immune systems are too immature to fight the virus. My last rescued litter of 4 FelV kittens died at 7 months 9 months 11 months and one made it to a year old. Older cats seem able to fight it off sometimes. Lorrie From: Susan Loesch pipercat...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:56 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia Hello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a positive who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local shelter...she had begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been tested when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was positive but no followup care or testing was done. We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not bad enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely non-regenerative. We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she came in with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her life will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well. SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what do you recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have always found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only marginally with Felv. Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia
We got a copy of her bloodwork and it shows that she is producing a very small amount of red cells. We didn't see a PVC value. Would it be listed as that on bloodwork results or might it be listed another way? Or is that a special test? Thanks so much for your input. -- On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 7:22 AM CST Beth wrote: If it is truly non regenerative anemia a blood transfusion will only buy her a short amount of time because, as my vet told me, she will be unable to remake the red blood cells once they die off. Mine went downhill pretty fast with nonregenerative anemia. We tried antiobiotics just in case it was hemobartonella, but it did nothing. I had their blood check twice a week, but they were gone within 3 weeks. What was her PCV? It usually is very low if they are to the point of eating litter. Give her lots of love make sure she is not suffering. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Susan Loesch pipercat...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 12:56 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia Hello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a positive who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local shelter...she had begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been tested when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was positive but no followup care or testing was done. We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not bad enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely non-regenerative. We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she came in with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her life will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well. SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what do you recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have always found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only marginally with Felv. Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia
We took a copy of her bloodwork to another vet...he is probably more open to and able to treat her aggressively. Many of her values are off but none by a huge amount. We decided to give a B-12 shot this Wed and next and will take her to this vet next Friday for an exam and repeat bloodwork. The vet is open to LTCI and we gave him the info on where to order. There are vets in 3 towns in Arkansas that are using it already...all are about 3 hours away but going to any of them is an option. I also want to mention dex and depo and pred to our vet. He has previously treated one of my felv's with pred. And possibly other tests to see if it is in her bone marrow, etc. Right now to look at DeeDee all you would see is a healthy active young cat. She eats as soon as food is put down although not nearly what we would like to see her eat. Need to find out her PCV also. Having had a number of Felv kittens over the years I know how they can look great and then just crash...hoping to be proactive in treatment and give her the longest quality life we can. Michelle thanks so much for the offer of your dose of LTCI...I think we will be good with getting it here through our vet or directly from one of the vets in the state who is using. Everyone on the list who is giving us input...it is so much appreciated. You guys are the experts more than most vets. -- On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:50 PM CST lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: Does Epogen help if it's not kidney elated? LTCI says it helps if the anemia is severe. I have one dose of it I can send you to get started if you decide to go that route but it would only help if you get more. I aw it help wit boosting wbc. Anyone on the lit haf it help with rbc? Pet Tinic If it's nonregenerative due to lymphoma i the bone marrow, dexamethasone or prednisone will help for a while. Michelle -Original Message- From: Susan Loesch pipercat...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:56 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia Hello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a positive who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local shelter...she had begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been tested when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was positive but no followup care or testing was done. We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not bad enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely non-regenerative. We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she came in with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her life will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well. SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what do you recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have always found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only marginally with Felv. Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] HCT vs PCV? newly diagnosed non-regenerative anemia
Must read where some vets test for the HCT rather than the PCV...and we found HCT on DeeDee's bloodwork. It is 24.1. Does that change any of your suggestions/input? -- On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 10:37 AM CST Susan Loesch wrote: We took a copy of her bloodwork to another vet...he is probably more open to and able to treat her aggressively. Many of her values are off but none by a huge amount. We decided to give a B-12 shot this Wed and next and will take her to this vet next Friday for an exam and repeat bloodwork. The vet is open to LTCI and we gave him the info on where to order. There are vets in 3 towns in Arkansas that are using it already...all are about 3 hours away but going to any of them is an option. I also want to mention dex and depo and pred to our vet. He has previously treated one of my felv's with pred. And possibly other tests to see if it is in her bone marrow, etc. Right now to look at DeeDee all you would see is a healthy active young cat. She eats as soon as food is put down although not nearly what we would like to see her eat. Need to find out her PCV also. Having had a number of Felv kittens over the years I know how they can look great and then just crash...hoping to be proactive in treatment and give her the longest quality life we can. Michelle thanks so much for the offer of your dose of LTCI...I think we will be good with getting it here through our vet or directly from one of the vets in the state who is using. Everyone on the list who is giving us input...it is so much appreciated. You guys are the experts more than most vets. -- On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:50 PM CST lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: Does Epogen help if it's not kidney elated? LTCI says it helps if the anemia is severe. I have one dose of it I can send you to get started if you decide to go that route but it would only help if you get more. I aw it help wit boosting wbc. Anyone on the lit haf it help with rbc? Pet Tinic If it's nonregenerative due to lymphoma i the bone marrow, dexamethasone or prednisone will help for a while. Michelle -Original Message- From: Susan Loesch pipercat...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:56 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia Hello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a positive who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local shelter...she had begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been tested when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was positive but no followup care or testing was done. We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not bad enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely non-regenerative. We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she came in with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her life will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well. SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what do you recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have always found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only marginally with Felv. Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] HCT vs PCV? newly diagnosed non-regenerative anemia
Must read where some vets test for the HCT rather than the PCV...and we found HCT on DeeDee's bloodwork. It is 24.1. Does that change any of your suggestions/input? -- On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 10:37 AM CST Susan Loesch wrote: We took a copy of her bloodwork to another vet...he is probably more open to and able to treat her aggressively. Many of her values are off but none by a huge amount. We decided to give a B-12 shot this Wed and next and will take her to this vet next Friday for an exam and repeat bloodwork. The vet is open to LTCI and we gave him the info on where to order. There are vets in 3 towns in Arkansas that are using it already...all are about 3 hours away but going to any of them is an option. I also want to mention dex and depo and pred to our vet. He has previously treated one of my felv's with pred. And possibly other tests to see if it is in her bone marrow, etc. Right now to look at DeeDee all you would see is a healthy active young cat. She eats as soon as food is put down although not nearly what we would like to see her eat. Need to find out her PCV also. Having had a number of Felv kittens over the years I know how they can look great and then just crash...hoping to be proactive in treatment and give her the longest quality life we can. Michelle thanks so much for the offer of your dose of LTCI...I think we will be good with getting it here through our vet or directly from one of the vets in the state who is using. Everyone on the list who is giving us input...it is so much appreciated. You guys are the experts more than most vets. -- On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 7:50 PM CST lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: Does Epogen help if it's not kidney elated? LTCI says it helps if the anemia is severe. I have one dose of it I can send you to get started if you decide to go that route but it would only help if you get more. I aw it help wit boosting wbc. Anyone on the lit haf it help with rbc? Pet Tinic If it's nonregenerative due to lymphoma i the bone marrow, dexamethasone or prednisone will help for a while. Michelle -Original Message- From: Susan Loesch pipercat...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:56 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia Hello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a positive who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local shelter...she had begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been tested when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was positive but no followup care or testing was done. We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not bad enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely non-regenerative. We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she came in with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her life will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well. SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what do you recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have always found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only marginally with Felv. Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia
My cats had Epogen. It did nothing with the nonregenerative anemia. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: lernermiche...@aol.com lernermiche...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia Does Epogen help if it's not kidney elated? LTCI says it helps if the anemia is severe. I have one dose of it I can send you to get started if you decide to go that route but it would only help if you get more. I aw it help wit boosting wbc. Anyone on the lit haf it help with rbc? Pet Tinic If it's nonregenerative due to lymphoma i the bone marrow, dexamethasone or prednisone will help for a while. Michelle -Original Message- From: Susan Loesch pipercat...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:56 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia Hello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a positive who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local shelter...she had begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been tested when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was positive but no followup care or testing was done. We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not bad enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely non-regenerative. We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she came in with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her life will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well. SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what do you recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have always found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only marginally with Felv. Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia
Thanks. -- On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 12:27 PM CST Beth wrote: My cats had Epogen. It did nothing with the nonregenerative anemia. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: lernermiche...@aol.com lernermiche...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia Does Epogen help if it's not kidney elated? LTCI says it helps if the anemia is severe. I have one dose of it I can send you to get started if you decide to go that route but it would only help if you get more. I aw it help wit boosting wbc. Anyone on the lit haf it help with rbc? Pet Tinic If it's nonregenerative due to lymphoma i the bone marrow, dexamethasone or prednisone will help for a while. Michelle -Original Message- From: Susan Loesch pipercat...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:56 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia Hello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a positive who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local shelter...she had begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been tested when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was positive but no followup care or testing was done. We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not bad enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely non-regenerative. We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she came in with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her life will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well. SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what do you recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have always found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only marginally with Felv. Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia
Hi Susan, I haven't dealt with anemia in FeLV+ cats, but have with other causes. That's the problem, there are so many possible reasons for the anemia. Without knowing what's actually causing it, it's tough to treat. sensibly. I'd always include B vitamins and an iron source. You don't give the actual HCT, so this may not apply; From http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm "Unfortunately the reticulocyte test (which at most laboratories only measures aggregate reticulocytes) is unlikely to be reliable unless the anaemia is relatively severe. Anaemia needs to be pretty bad before a brisk regenerative response is considered necessary by the cat's body, so there is little point testing for reticulocytes unless the PCV has been below 20% for five days or longer. In addition, most vets cannot test reticulocytes in house, so the test has to be sent out to a lab, which takes more time. Because of this, some vets simply assume that a CKD cat with anaemia issuffering from non-regenerative anaemia caused by a lack of erythropoietin production and treat accordingly. For cats with milder anaemia (PCV above 20%), they may recommend B vitamins. For cats with PCV below 20%, it is trickier. In these cases, the anaemia is a more urgent problem and you need to act quickly, especially if your cat seems poorly, so your vet may recommend the use of Erythropoiesis Stimulating Agents (ESAs) (Epogen, Aranesp etc.), which are used for non-regenerative anaemia caused by a lack of erythropoietin production. In view of the possible risks associated with this treatment, you might wish to wait five days and have the reticulocyte test done to be sure you really are dealing with non-regenerative anaemia; but on the other hand, ESAs take up to two weeks to start taking effect, so waiting may be risky because your cat will not be feeling well and the anaemia may worsen while you wait." If possible, I'd ask what other causes the Vet thinks possible, and rule them out. If it's FeLV related, I don't think basic treatment would be any different, but it might help to rules some options out or in. Sorry I can't be more help, I'll keep looking. Margo -Original Message-From: Susan Loesch <pipercat...@yahoo.com>To: felvtalk <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:56 pmSubject: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemiaHello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a positive who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local shelter...she had begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been tested when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was positive but no followup care or testing was done.We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not bad enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely non-regenerative.We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she came in with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her life will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well.SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what do you recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have always found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only marginally with Felv.Thank you!___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia
One of my positive kittens had non regenerative anemia when he was about 6 months. We gave him lixotinic (same or similar as pet-tinic), a couple of mL per day. It helped give him some iron in his blood and feel a bit better for a while, I think, but we lost him a couple of months later. There's a Yahoo group for feline anemia https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline_Anemia/info LTCI is more expensive. I give it to my 11 year old positive cat regularly and it helped bring him out of an anemic period when he was first diagnosed last year. He is now doing just fine. Younger cats immune systems are still developing though, so it's harder for them to fight off the virus. With a 1 year old cat it's hard to say if you should try it, but if you have the resources it may be a good option. Check out this discussion thread for more info on LTCI - http://910pets.ning.com/forum/topics/feline-leukemia Good luck with your new little girl. We do the best we can for them but ultimately it will take them from us far too soon. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 8:50 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: Does Epogen help if it's not kidney elated? LTCI says it helps if the anemia is severe. I have one dose of it I can send you to get started if you decide to go that route but it would only help if you get more. I aw it help wit boosting wbc. Anyone on the lit haf it help with rbc? Pet Tinic If it's nonregenerative due to lymphoma i the bone marrow, dexamethasone or prednisone will help for a while. Michelle -Original Message- From: Susan Loesch pipercat...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:56 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia Hello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a positive who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local shelter...she had begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been tested when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was positive but no followup care or testing was done. We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not bad enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely non-regenerative. We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she came in with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her life will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well. SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what do you recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have always found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only marginally with Felv. Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia
I don't know if it helps, but my FeLV+ kitty gets anemic from time to
time and I ahve had wonderful results with Pet-Tinic. It is a liquid
vitamin with iron. The vets all used to carry it, but I got my last
bottle for Amazon and it is cheap. Carolyn
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Margo wrote:
Hi Susan,
I haven't dealt with anemia in FeLV+ cats, but have
with other causes. That's the problem, there are so many possible
reasons for the anemia. Without knowing what's actually causing it, it's
tough to treat. sensibly. I'd always include B vitamins and an iron
source. You don't give the actual HCT, so this may not apply;
From http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm
http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm
http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm
Unfortunately t he reticulocyte test (which at most laboratories only
measures aggregate reticulocytes) is unlikely to be reliable unless the
anaemia is relatively severe . A naemia needs to be prett y bad before a
brisk regenerative response is considered necessary by the cat's body ,
so there is little point test ing for reticulocytes unless the PCV has
been below 20% for five days or longer. In addition, most vets cannot
test reticulocytes in house, so the test has to be sent out to a lab,
which takes more time. http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm
http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm
Because of this, some vets simply assume that a CKD cat with anaemia is
suffering from non-regenerative anaemia caused by a lack of
erythropoietin production and treat accordingly. For cats with milder
anaemia (PCV above 20%), they may recommend B vitamins. For cats with
PCV below 20%, it is trickier. In these cases, the anaemia is a more
urgent problem and you need to act quickly , especially if your cat
seems poorly, so your vet may recommend the use of Erythropoiesis
Stimulating Agents (ESAs) http://www.felinecrf.org/esas.htm (Epogen,
Aranesp etc . ), which are used for non-regenerative anaemia caused by a
lack of erythropoietin production. I n view of the possible risks
associated with this treatment, you might wish to wait five days and
have the reticulocyte test done to be sure you really are dealing with
non-regenerative anaemia ; but on the other hand, ESAs take up to two
weeks to start taking effect, so waiting may be risky because your cat
will not be feeling well and the anaemia may worsen while you wait.
If possible, I'd ask what other causes the Vet thinks
possible, and rule them out. If it's FeLV related, I don't think basic
treatment would be any different, but it might help to rules some
options out or in.
Sorry I can't be more help, I'll keep looking.
Margo
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Subject: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia
Hello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a
positive
who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local
shelter...she had
begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been
tested
when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was
positive but
no followup care or testing was done.
We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not
bad
enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely
non-regenerative.
We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she
came in
with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her
life
will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well.
SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what
do you
recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have
always
found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only
marginally with Felv.
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[Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia
Hello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a positive who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local shelter...she had begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been tested when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was positive but no followup care or testing was done. We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not bad enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely non-regenerative. We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she came in with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her life will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well. SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what do you recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have always found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only marginally with Felv. Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia
Does Epogen help if it's not kidney elated? LTCI says it helps if the anemia is severe. I have one dose of it I can send you to get started if you decide to go that route but it would only help if you get more. I aw it help wit boosting wbc. Anyone on the lit haf it help with rbc? Pet Tinic If it's nonregenerative due to lymphoma i the bone marrow, dexamethasone or prednisone will help for a while. Michelle -Original Message- From: Susan Loesch pipercat...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:56 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia Hello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a positive who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local shelter...she had begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been tested when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was positive but no followup care or testing was done. We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not bad enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely non-regenerative. We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she came in with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her life will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well. SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what do you recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have always found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only marginally with Felv. Thank you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Immune-mediated Hemolytic Anemia and Immune-mediated Thrombocytopenia
Hello, My cat has tested negative for FeLV however I keep seeing it as a potential cause of the illness that he has. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with Immune-mediated haemolytic anaemia? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Immune-mediated Hemolytic Anemia and Immune-mediated Thrombocytopenia
Some. What kind of information are you looking for? How is your cat being treated? Have you joined the feline anemia group? http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline_Anemia/info If you tell us more we may be able to better help. Margo -Original Message- From: Alexis Thonen <alexistho...@yahoo.com>Sent: Sep 21, 2013 12:13 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Subject: [Felvtalk] Immune-mediated Hemolytic Anemia and Immune-mediated Thrombocytopenia Hello, My cat has tested negative for FeLV however I keep seeing it as a potential cause of the illness that he has. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with Immune-mediated haemolytic anaemia? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] anemia treatments?
What anemia treatments have proven effective for your FELV+ cats? I don't have money for transfusions. Will price LTCI this morning. Kg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] anemia treatments?
It depends on what is causing the anemia. FeLV can cause the blood cells to not form correctly, making them unable to multiply. That's what has happened to all mine that have died from it. There is nothing you can do about that. Sometimes it is Hemobartonella, caused by fleas, which can be hard to detect. The treatment for that is Doxy, which usually starts working pretty quickly. There are others here who have dealt with other causes of it who may have more suggestions. Good luck. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: KG BarnCats kgbarnc...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:05 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] anemia treatments? What anemia treatments have proven effective for your FELV+ cats? I don't have money for transfusions. Will price LTCI this morning. Kg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Anemia blood transfusions
I apologize in advance if this topic has been discussed recently, but my baby is sick and I haven't been on the computer much. My FELV cat Thomas O' Malley, has non regenerative anemia. He wasn't showing any signs of illness until one day he spent the entire day hiding in my closet. I immediately took him in and he was already pale from lack of blood. We gave him a transfusion and he has been great for 2 weeks. Yesterday he went back in the closet and we are back in the same situation. The vet recommended against another transfusion saying its a waste of time and money because the FELV will continue to attack the marrow and he will continue to need transfusions. I read that the transfusions can last longer each time you get them, but I don't know if that's true. Has anyone had a cat in this situation? Did the transfusion last more than a few weeks? I have him on iron supplements in addition to the prednisone and doxycycline. Thanks. I'm so conflicted. I don't want him to suffer! Marnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia blood transfusions
Marnie - So sorry your baby is sick. The Doxy is in the hopes it is hemobartonella that is causing the problem. This can be a little difficult to diagnose, so vets usually give the Doxy just in case, but it works pretty quickly if that's what it is. I had a non-FeLV cat with hemobartonella he started showing improvement within 2 days of the blood transfusion Doxy. Non-regenerative anemia of unknown origin is pretty common in FeLV cats. Most of my FeLV's have died from this. I would have to agree with your vet, unfortunately. So sorry you are having to go through this. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Marnie Miszewski marni...@embarqmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:48 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Anemia blood transfusions I apologize in advance if this topic has been discussed recently, but my baby is sick and I haven't been on the computer much. My FELV cat Thomas O' Malley, has non regenerative anemia. He wasn't showing any signs of illness until one day he spent the entire day hiding in my closet. I immediately took him in and he was already pale from lack of blood. We gave him a transfusion and he has been great for 2 weeks. Yesterday he went back in the closet and we are back in the same situation. The vet recommended against another transfusion saying its a waste of time and money because the FELV will continue to attack the marrow and he will continue to need transfusions. I read that the transfusions can last longer each time you get them, but I don't know if that's true. Has anyone had a cat in this situation? Did the transfusion last more than a few weeks? I have him on iron supplements in addition to the prednisone and doxycycline. Thanks. I'm so conflicted. I don't want him to suffer! Marnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia blood transfusions
The transfusion is to get the cat past a crisis. To address the underlying issues, you could try treating with LTCI which is specifically for FELV+ cats. Orally dosed Interferon alfa is another excellent treatment for FELV+ cats, and cheap especially when you have multiple FELV+ and/or FIV+ cats (compounded liquid, 60 day shelf life). http://tcyte.com/ltci-product-info-feline-leukemia/ Epogen is a drug that can be used to stimulate red blood cell production, but it is a serious medicine not to be given lightly. But I would try it alongside the interferon alfa and LTCI in a desperate anemia situation, if I had the money. More info at http://www.felineleukemia.org/treatmnt.shtml BTW I had a very anemic cat (FELV-) and they didn't know why he was sick despite all kinds of tests. Out of desperation we gave him the doxy, and he responded very quickly. So they figured he had hemobartonella. He recovered and is still fine, years later. KG On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Marnie - So sorry your baby is sick. The Doxy is in the hopes it is hemobartonella that is causing the problem. This can be a little difficult to diagnose, so vets usually give the Doxy just in case, but it works pretty quickly if that's what it is. I had a non-FeLV cat with hemobartonella he started showing improvement within 2 days of the blood transfusion Doxy. Non-regenerative anemia of unknown origin is pretty common in FeLV cats. Most of my FeLV's have died from this. I would have to agree with your vet, unfortunately. So sorry you are having to go through this. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ -- *From:* Marnie Miszewski marni...@embarqmail.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:48 PM *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Anemia blood transfusions I apologize in advance if this topic has been discussed recently, but my baby is sick and I haven't been on the computer much. My FELV cat Thomas O' Malley, has non regenerative anemia. He wasn't showing any signs of illness until one day he spent the entire day hiding in my closet. I immediately took him in and he was already pale from lack of blood. We gave him a transfusion and he has been great for 2 weeks. Yesterday he went back in the closet and we are back in the same situation. The vet recommended against another transfusion saying its a waste of time and money because the FELV will continue to attack the marrow and he will continue to need transfusions. I read that the transfusions can last longer each time you get them, but I don't know if that's true. Has anyone had a cat in this situation? Did the transfusion last more than a few weeks? I have him on iron supplements in addition to the prednisone and doxycycline. Thanks. I'm so conflicted. I don't want him to suffer! Marnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia blood transfusions
Marnie, I'm so sorry about your cat. I've lost many FelV cats to anemia, and I too was advised against transfusions. They are very expensive, and they only buy the FelV cat a little bit of time. Lorrie From: Marnie Miszewski marni...@embarqmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:48 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Anemia blood transfusions I apologize in advance if this topic has been discussed recently, but my baby is sick and I haven't been on the computer much. My FELV cat Thomas O' Malley, has non regenerative anemia. He wasn't showing any signs of illness until one day he spent the entire day hiding in my closet. I immediately took him in and he was already pale from lack of blood. We gave him a transfusion and he has been great for 2 weeks. Yesterday he went back in the closet and we are back in the same situation. The vet recommended against another transfusion saying its a waste of time and money because the FELV will continue to attack the marrow and he will continue to need transfusions. I read that the transfusions can last longer each time you get them, but I don't know if that's true. Has anyone had a cat in this situation? Did the transfusion last more than a few weeks? I have him on iron supplements in addition to the prednisone and doxycycline. Thanks. I'm so conflicted. I don't want him to suffer! Marnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
And the big problem is, is that the majority of the public isn't informed and hang on every word a vet says. They trust them for the best advice. It's up to us to spread the word as much as possible. Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 7, 2013, at 9:33 PM, Alev Durmus alev_dur...@yahoo.com wrote: What is wrong with the vets? I was not as lucky as David, neither my River :((( Mine was killed by a no-kill animal shelter...Some of you might remember... By the way I sent a complaint letter, called a few of their top supporters, Executive Director called me and I was VERY accurate and not accepting their bs, the director of the faclities stepped down a while ago. I don't know if it is related but I hope the new one is better... I think this starts with vets, they know the facts and they are rushing to kill animals, if they behave that way, what do we expect from the rest of the society...I am open to start a petition etc. whatever comes to your minds. I am new and unfortunately I found this site after the fact, but I will never forget the support I got from all of you, thank you again. Alev From: David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave) Only IFA. I'll ask that she be retested with the Elisa too. Thanks for pointing that out. I thought the IFA was the definitive test but may not be positive right away when acute symptoms present. Also a clarification, my Tux as a kitten story was 5 years ago. She's now an adult. Even back then the vet was ready to destroy her if that snap test came back positive. Of course the current vet wanted to put her down at the first positive snap test with anemia. She may not even be infected with FeLV...but even if she were infected we wouldn't consider that option until her quality of life was so bad to warrant that (and treating her condition to give her a fighting chance at some recovery). Thanks. again. Dave On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Dave was she just retested on the IFA, or on the Snap test also? A positive Snap with a negative IFA is still a positive cat. If both tests were negative then she is negative. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://www.furkids.org/ From: Dave Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave) Update on Tux. Recap: She tested positive for felv on the snap test in December and negative on ifa. She is a felv vaccinated house cat that presented with immune mediated hemolytic anemia. She was treated with prednisolone and doxycycline. She responded well to treatment tho no cause was identified because the vet was convinced she was felv+. This week we retested her. Weight is up 1 lb. and red blood cell count is normal. Negative on ifa. The cause of her anemia is still unknown but the vet has let the felv diagnosis go now. Thank you everyone so much for all the advice. It's heartbreaking to read about the struggles we all go through on this forum for the love of our pets. When we got tux the vet tested her for felv. She said if she was positive that she had to be put down right away. She was very insistent. I knew in my heart that was wrong and wouldn't let her do it. Of course if she were suffering that would be different...but I could never destroy a healthy kitten. I am very happy to see an entire community on this forum that feels as I did (and reinforces what I thought was right at the time). Unfortunately most people will do what the vet says...and that is very sad. Very best wishes to everyone and your furry companions! I will stay subscribed to the forum because you raise a wide array of topics and I may be able to help someone. Thx. Dave On Dec 28, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Be careful about letting get too much exercise. If she is amemic she is not getting enough oxygen to her cells as it is David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com wrote: The official diagnosis/condition from the pathologist is immune mediated hemolytic anemia/IMHA. We don't know the cause yet. We're treating for parasites (doxycycline)...and with prednisone to suppress the immune response. We'll repeat the IFA in a month. She is responding very well to treatment...the immune response to her own blood has diminished, gained back 1/4 pound, her CBC increased 50% and her new blood cell count was up 5x. We get another blood test tomorrow. She was still barely below the recommended CBC for transfusion...but is doing well despite everything. She's active though she won't play. There are a couple
Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
Dave was she just retested on the IFA, or on the Snap test also? A positive Snap with a negative IFA is still a positive cat. If both tests were negative then she is negative. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Dave Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave) Update on Tux. Recap: She tested positive for felv on the snap test in December and negative on ifa. She is a felv vaccinated house cat that presented with immune mediated hemolytic anemia. She was treated with prednisolone and doxycycline. She responded well to treatment tho no cause was identified because the vet was convinced she was felv+. This week we retested her. Weight is up 1 lb. and red blood cell count is normal. Negative on ifa. The cause of her anemia is still unknown but the vet has let the felv diagnosis go now. Thank you everyone so much for all the advice. It's heartbreaking to read about the struggles we all go through on this forum for the love of our pets. When we got tux the vet tested her for felv. She said if she was positive that she had to be put down right away. She was very insistent. I knew in my heart that was wrong and wouldn't let her do it. Of course if she were suffering that would be different...but I could never destroy a healthy kitten. I am very happy to see an entire community on this forum that feels as I did (and reinforces what I thought was right at the time). Unfortunately most people will do what the vet says...and that is very sad. Very best wishes to everyone and your furry companions! I will stay subscribed to the forum because you raise a wide array of topics and I may be able to help someone. Thx. Dave On Dec 28, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Be careful about letting get too much exercise. If she is amemic she is not getting enough oxygen to her cells as it is David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com wrote: The official diagnosis/condition from the pathologist is immune mediated hemolytic anemia/IMHA. We don't know the cause yet. We're treating for parasites (doxycycline)...and with prednisone to suppress the immune response. We'll repeat the IFA in a month. She is responding very well to treatment...the immune response to her own blood has diminished, gained back 1/4 pound, her CBC increased 50% and her new blood cell count was up 5x. We get another blood test tomorrow. She was still barely below the recommended CBC for transfusion...but is doing well despite everything. She's active though she won't play. There are a couple of times she tried to rough-house with her sister and gave up (it was actually funny to watch...after a few minutes of chase, she gave up and laid on her back...her sister came over and gave her a very gentle little nip on the butt...to which Tux let out a whine of indignation). Our vet admitted some doubt about FeLV but is sticking with it for now. I read online that for 60% of IMHA cases it is never determined what the cause was. The cats did act like they had fleas about six months ago (and we treated, though we never saw any fleas). Tux is also the garbage collector...she eats everything on the floor...so it's also possible she at something toxic. Thanks again everyone. I will follow up with any new findings. Dave ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
Only IFA. I'll ask that she be retested with the Elisa too. Thanks for pointing that out. I thought the IFA was the definitive test but may not be positive right away when acute symptoms present. Also a clarification, my Tux as a kitten story was 5 years ago. She's now an adult. Even back then the vet was ready to destroy her if that snap test came back positive. Of course the current vet wanted to put her down at the first positive snap test with anemia. She may not even be infected with FeLV...but even if she were infected we wouldn't consider that option until her quality of life was so bad to warrant that (and treating her condition to give her a fighting chance at some recovery). Thanks. again. Dave On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Dave was she just retested on the IFA, or on the Snap test also? A positive Snap with a negative IFA is still a positive cat. If both tests were negative then she is negative. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ -- *From:* Dave Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, February 6, 2013 9:34 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave) Update on Tux. Recap: She tested positive for felv on the snap test in December and negative on ifa. She is a felv vaccinated house cat that presented with immune mediated hemolytic anemia. She was treated with prednisolone and doxycycline. She responded well to treatment tho no cause was identified because the vet was convinced she was felv+. This week we retested her. Weight is up 1 lb. and red blood cell count is normal. Negative on ifa. The cause of her anemia is still unknown but the vet has let the felv diagnosis go now. Thank you everyone so much for all the advice. It's heartbreaking to read about the struggles we all go through on this forum for the love of our pets. When we got tux the vet tested her for felv. She said if she was positive that she had to be put down right away. She was very insistent. I knew in my heart that was wrong and wouldn't let her do it. Of course if she were suffering that would be different...but I could never destroy a healthy kitten. I am very happy to see an entire community on this forum that feels as I did (and reinforces what I thought was right at the time). Unfortunately most people will do what the vet says...and that is very sad. Very best wishes to everyone and your furry companions! I will stay subscribed to the forum because you raise a wide array of topics and I may be able to help someone. Thx. Dave On Dec 28, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Be careful about letting get too much exercise. If she is amemic she is not getting enough oxygen to her cells as it is David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com wrote: The official diagnosis/condition from the pathologist is immune mediated hemolytic anemia/IMHA. We don't know the cause yet. We're treating for parasites (doxycycline)...and with prednisone to suppress the immune response. We'll repeat the IFA in a month. She is responding very well to treatment...the immune response to her own blood has diminished, gained back 1/4 pound, her CBC increased 50% and her new blood cell count was up 5x. We get another blood test tomorrow. She was still barely below the recommended CBC for transfusion...but is doing well despite everything. She's active though she won't play. There are a couple of times she tried to rough-house with her sister and gave up (it was actually funny to watch...after a few minutes of chase, she gave up and laid on her back...her sister came over and gave her a very gentle little nip on the butt...to which Tux let out a whine of indignation). Our vet admitted some doubt about FeLV but is sticking with it for now. I read online that for 60% of IMHA cases it is never determined what the cause was. The cats did act like they had fleas about six months ago (and we treated, though we never saw any fleas). Tux is also the garbage collector...she eats everything on the floor...so it's also possible she at something toxic. Thanks again everyone. I will follow up with any new findings. Dave ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http
Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
Yes, an IFA only tests if it is circulating in the bone marrow, which means they are beyond the point of being able to throw it off. A positive Snap still means they have FeLV, as long as it is administered correctly. There seems to be a lot of confusion about that. Still, thank you for keeping her.I currently have 4 FeLV's wouldn't trade them for the world! Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave) Only IFA. I'll ask that she be retested with the Elisa too. Thanks for pointing that out. I thought the IFA was the definitive test but may not be positive right away when acute symptoms present. Also a clarification, my Tux as a kitten story was 5 years ago. She's now an adult. Even back then the vet was ready to destroy her if that snap test came back positive. Of course the current vet wanted to put her down at the first positive snap test with anemia. She may not even be infected with FeLV...but even if she were infected we wouldn't consider that option until her quality of life was so bad to warrant that (and treating her condition to give her a fighting chance at some recovery). Thanks. again. Dave On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Dave was she just retested on the IFA, or on the Snap test also? A positive Snap with a negative IFA is still a positive cat. If both tests were negative then she is negative. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Dave Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave) Update on Tux. Recap: She tested positive for felv on the snap test in December and negative on ifa. She is a felv vaccinated house cat that presented with immune mediated hemolytic anemia. She was treated with prednisolone and doxycycline. She responded well to treatment tho no cause was identified because the vet was convinced she was felv+. This week we retested her. Weight is up 1 lb. and red blood cell count is normal. Negative on ifa. The cause of her anemia is still unknown but the vet has let the felv diagnosis go now. Thank you everyone so much for all the advice. It's heartbreaking to read about the struggles we all go through on this forum for the love of our pets. When we got tux the vet tested her for felv. She said if she was positive that she had to be put down right away. She was very insistent. I knew in my heart that was wrong and wouldn't let her do it. Of course if she were suffering that would be different...but I could never destroy a healthy kitten. I am very happy to see an entire community on this forum that feels as I did (and reinforces what I thought was right at the time). Unfortunately most people will do what the vet says...and that is very sad. Very best wishes to everyone and your furry companions! I will stay subscribed to the forum because you raise a wide array of topics and I may be able to help someone. Thx. Dave On Dec 28, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Be careful about letting get too much exercise. If she is amemic she is not getting enough oxygen to her cells as it is David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com wrote: The official diagnosis/condition from the pathologist is immune mediated hemolytic anemia/IMHA. We don't know the cause yet. We're treating for parasites (doxycycline)...and with prednisone to suppress the immune response. We'll repeat the IFA in a month. She is responding very well to treatment...the immune response to her own blood has diminished, gained back 1/4 pound, her CBC increased 50% and her new blood cell count was up 5x. We get another blood test tomorrow. She was still barely below the recommended CBC for transfusion...but is doing well despite everything. She's active though she won't play. There are a couple of times she tried to rough-house with her sister and gave up (it was actually funny to watch...after a few minutes of chase, she gave up and laid on her back...her sister came over and gave her a very gentle little nip on the butt...to which Tux let out a whine of indignation). Our vet admitted some doubt about FeLV but is sticking with it for now. I read online that for 60% of IMHA cases it is never determined what the cause was. The cats did act like they had fleas about six months ago (and we treated, though we never saw any fleas). Tux is also the garbage collector...she eats everything on the floor...so it's also possible she at something toxic. Thanks again everyone. I will follow up with any new findings. Dave
Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
What is wrong with the vets? I was not as lucky as David, neither my River :((( Mine was killed by a no-kill animal shelter...Some of you might remember... By the way I sent a complaint letter, called a few of their top supporters, Executive Director called me and I was VERY accurate and not accepting their bs, the director of the faclities stepped down a while ago. I don't know if it is related but I hope the new one is better... I think this starts with vets, they know the facts and they are rushing to kill animals, if they behave that way, what do we expect from the rest of the society...I am open to start a petition etc. whatever comes to your minds. I am new and unfortunately I found this site after the fact, but I will never forget the support I got from all of you, thank you again. Alev From: David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave) Only IFA. I'll ask that she be retested with the Elisa too. Thanks for pointing that out. I thought the IFA was the definitive test but may not be positive right away when acute symptoms present. Also a clarification, my Tux as a kitten story was 5 years ago. She's now an adult. Even back then the vet was ready to destroy her if that snap test came back positive. Of course the current vet wanted to put her down at the first positive snap test with anemia. She may not even be infected with FeLV...but even if she were infected we wouldn't consider that option until her quality of life was so bad to warrant that (and treating her condition to give her a fighting chance at some recovery). Thanks. again. Dave On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Dave was she just retested on the IFA, or on the Snap test also? A positive Snap with a negative IFA is still a positive cat. If both tests were negative then she is negative. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://www.furkids.org/ From: Dave Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave) Update on Tux. Recap: She tested positive for felv on the snap test in December and negative on ifa. She is a felv vaccinated house cat that presented with immune mediated hemolytic anemia. She was treated with prednisolone and doxycycline. She responded well to treatment tho no cause was identified because the vet was convinced she was felv+. This week we retested her. Weight is up 1 lb. and red blood cell count is normal. Negative on ifa. The cause of her anemia is still unknown but the vet has let the felv diagnosis go now. Thank you everyone so much for all the advice. It's heartbreaking to read about the struggles we all go through on this forum for the love of our pets. When we got tux the vet tested her for felv. She said if she was positive that she had to be put down right away. She was very insistent. I knew in my heart that was wrong and wouldn't let her do it. Of course if she were suffering that would be different...but I could never destroy a healthy kitten. I am very happy to see an entire community on this forum that feels as I did (and reinforces what I thought was right at the time). Unfortunately most people will do what the vet says...and that is very sad. Very best wishes to everyone and your furry companions! I will stay subscribed to the forum because you raise a wide array of topics and I may be able to help someone. Thx. Dave On Dec 28, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Be careful about letting get too much exercise. If she is amemic she is not getting enough oxygen to her cells as it is David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com wrote: The official diagnosis/condition from the pathologist is immune mediated hemolytic anemia/IMHA. We don't know the cause yet. We're treating for parasites (doxycycline)...and with prednisone to suppress the immune response. We'll repeat the IFA in a month. She is responding very well to treatment...the immune response to her own blood has diminished, gained back 1/4 pound, her CBC increased 50% and her new blood cell count was up 5x. We get another blood test tomorrow. She was still barely below the recommended CBC for transfusion...but is doing well despite everything. She's active though she won't play. There are a couple of times she tried to rough-house with her sister and gave up (it was actually funny to watch...after a few minutes of chase, she gave up and laid on her back...her sister came over and gave her a very gentle little nip on the butt...to which Tux let out a whine of indignation). Our vet admitted some doubt about FeLV but is sticking with it for now. I read online
Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
Update on Tux. Recap: She tested positive for felv on the snap test in December and negative on ifa. She is a felv vaccinated house cat that presented with immune mediated hemolytic anemia. She was treated with prednisolone and doxycycline. She responded well to treatment tho no cause was identified because the vet was convinced she was felv+. This week we retested her. Weight is up 1 lb. and red blood cell count is normal. Negative on ifa. The cause of her anemia is still unknown but the vet has let the felv diagnosis go now. Thank you everyone so much for all the advice. It's heartbreaking to read about the struggles we all go through on this forum for the love of our pets. When we got tux the vet tested her for felv. She said if she was positive that she had to be put down right away. She was very insistent. I knew in my heart that was wrong and wouldn't let her do it. Of course if she were suffering that would be different...but I could never destroy a healthy kitten. I am very happy to see an entire community on this forum that feels as I did (and reinforces what I thought was right at the time). Unfortunately most people will do what the vet says...and that is very sad. Very best wishes to everyone and your furry companions! I will stay subscribed to the forum because you raise a wide array of topics and I may be able to help someone. Thx. Dave On Dec 28, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Be careful about letting get too much exercise. If she is amemic she is not getting enough oxygen to her cells as it is David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com wrote: The official diagnosis/condition from the pathologist is immune mediated hemolytic anemia/IMHA. We don't know the cause yet. We're treating for parasites (doxycycline)...and with prednisone to suppress the immune response. We'll repeat the IFA in a month. She is responding very well to treatment...the immune response to her own blood has diminished, gained back 1/4 pound, her CBC increased 50% and her new blood cell count was up 5x. We get another blood test tomorrow. She was still barely below the recommended CBC for transfusion...but is doing well despite everything. She's active though she won't play. There are a couple of times she tried to rough-house with her sister and gave up (it was actually funny to watch...after a few minutes of chase, she gave up and laid on her back...her sister came over and gave her a very gentle little nip on the butt...to which Tux let out a whine of indignation). Our vet admitted some doubt about FeLV but is sticking with it for now. I read online that for 60% of IMHA cases it is never determined what the cause was. The cats did act like they had fleas about six months ago (and we treated, though we never saw any fleas). Tux is also the garbage collector...she eats everything on the floor...so it's also possible she at something toxic. Thanks again everyone. I will follow up with any new findings. Dave ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
Thank you for not putting Tux down. Somehow the word has to get out there that it is totally unnecessary to euthanize positive cats. I tell everyone I know that has cats and hope they spread the word. This forum is awesome. They are intelligent, informed loving people that give hope when it is needed. And HOPE is so important with this disease. Good luck with Tux. My wish for her is a long happy life(-: Sent from my iPhone On Feb 6, 2013, at 8:34 PM, Dave Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com wrote: Update on Tux. Recap: She tested positive for felv on the snap test in December and negative on ifa. She is a felv vaccinated house cat that presented with immune mediated hemolytic anemia. She was treated with prednisolone and doxycycline. She responded well to treatment tho no cause was identified because the vet was convinced she was felv+. This week we retested her. Weight is up 1 lb. and red blood cell count is normal. Negative on ifa. The cause of her anemia is still unknown but the vet has let the felv diagnosis go now. Thank you everyone so much for all the advice. It's heartbreaking to read about the struggles we all go through on this forum for the love of our pets. When we got tux the vet tested her for felv. She said if she was positive that she had to be put down right away. She was very insistent. I knew in my heart that was wrong and wouldn't let her do it. Of course if she were suffering that would be different...but I could never destroy a healthy kitten. I am very happy to see an entire community on this forum that feels as I did (and reinforces what I thought was right at the time). Unfortunately most people will do what the vet says...and that is very sad. Very best wishes to everyone and your furry companions! I will stay subscribed to the forum because you raise a wide array of topics and I may be able to help someone. Thx. Dave On Dec 28, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Be careful about letting get too much exercise. If she is amemic she is not getting enough oxygen to her cells as it is David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com wrote: The official diagnosis/condition from the pathologist is immune mediated hemolytic anemia/IMHA. We don't know the cause yet. We're treating for parasites (doxycycline)...and with prednisone to suppress the immune response. We'll repeat the IFA in a month. She is responding very well to treatment...the immune response to her own blood has diminished, gained back 1/4 pound, her CBC increased 50% and her new blood cell count was up 5x. We get another blood test tomorrow. She was still barely below the recommended CBC for transfusion...but is doing well despite everything. She's active though she won't play. There are a couple of times she tried to rough-house with her sister and gave up (it was actually funny to watch...after a few minutes of chase, she gave up and laid on her back...her sister came over and gave her a very gentle little nip on the butt...to which Tux let out a whine of indignation). Our vet admitted some doubt about FeLV but is sticking with it for now. I read online that for 60% of IMHA cases it is never determined what the cause was. The cats did act like they had fleas about six months ago (and we treated, though we never saw any fleas). Tux is also the garbage collector...she eats everything on the floor...so it's also possible she at something toxic. Thanks again everyone. I will follow up with any new findings. Dave ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
Made a mistake. It was doxycycline that was the treatment for Hemobartonella. So many diseases, so many drugs, so few brain cells working. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave) The Doxy is for suspected Hemobartonella. Glad she is doing better! Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
The official diagnosis/condition from the pathologist is immune mediated hemolytic anemia/IMHA. We don't know the cause yet. We're treating for parasites (doxycycline)...and with prednisone to suppress the immune response. We'll repeat the IFA in a month. She is responding very well to treatment...the immune response to her own blood has diminished, gained back 1/4 pound, her CBC increased 50% and her new blood cell count was up 5x. We get another blood test tomorrow. She was still barely below the recommended CBC for transfusion...but is doing well despite everything. She's active though she won't play. There are a couple of times she tried to rough-house with her sister and gave up (it was actually funny to watch...after a few minutes of chase, she gave up and laid on her back...her sister came over and gave her a very gentle little nip on the butt...to which Tux let out a whine of indignation). Our vet admitted some doubt about FeLV but is sticking with it for now. I read online that for 60% of IMHA cases it is never determined what the cause was. The cats did act like they had fleas about six months ago (and we treated, though we never saw any fleas). Tux is also the garbage collector...she eats everything on the floor...so it's also possible she at something toxic. Thanks again everyone. I will follow up with any new findings. Dave ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
The Doxy is for suspected Hemobartonella. Glad she is doing better! Beth David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com wrote: The official diagnosis/condition from the pathologist is immune mediated hemolytic anemia/IMHA. We don't know the cause yet. We're treating for parasites (doxycycline)...and with prednisone to suppress the immune response. We'll repeat the IFA in a month. She is responding very well to treatment...the immune response to her own blood has diminished, gained back 1/4 pound, her CBC increased 50% and her new blood cell count was up 5x. We get another blood test tomorrow. She was still barely below the recommended CBC for transfusion...but is doing well despite everything. She's active though she won't play. There are a couple of times she tried to rough-house with her sister and gave up (it was actually funny to watch...after a few minutes of chase, she gave up and laid on her back...her sister came over and gave her a very gentle little nip on the butt...to which Tux let out a whine of indignation). Our vet admitted some doubt about FeLV but is sticking with it for now. I read online that for 60% of IMHA cases it is never determined what the cause was. The cats did act like they had fleas about six months ago (and we treated, though we never saw any fleas). Tux is also the garbage collector...she eats everything on the floor...so it's also possible she at something toxic. Thanks again everyone. I will follow up with any new findings. Dave ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
Be careful about letting get too much exercise. If she is amemic she is not getting enough oxygen to her cells as it is David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com wrote: The official diagnosis/condition from the pathologist is immune mediated hemolytic anemia/IMHA. We don't know the cause yet. We're treating for parasites (doxycycline)...and with prednisone to suppress the immune response. We'll repeat the IFA in a month. She is responding very well to treatment...the immune response to her own blood has diminished, gained back 1/4 pound, her CBC increased 50% and her new blood cell count was up 5x. We get another blood test tomorrow. She was still barely below the recommended CBC for transfusion...but is doing well despite everything. She's active though she won't play. There are a couple of times she tried to rough-house with her sister and gave up (it was actually funny to watch...after a few minutes of chase, she gave up and laid on her back...her sister came over and gave her a very gentle little nip on the butt...to which Tux let out a whine of indignation). Our vet admitted some doubt about FeLV but is sticking with it for now. I read online that for 60% of IMHA cases it is never determined what the cause was. The cats did act like they had fleas about six months ago (and we treated, though we never saw any fleas). Tux is also the garbage collector...she eats everything on the floor...so it's also possible she at something toxic. Thanks again everyone. I will follow up with any new findings. Dave ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
Thanks for your reply Beth. I'm an engineer and I'm trying to make sense out of the tests...and what you said isn't all making sense to me yet :). The kittens had been separated from their mother for most of their lives. The mother was an outside-cat and died/disappeared right after the kittens were born. My nephew hand-fed the litter and we adopted two of five original kittens. They would have been un-exposed to other cats for more than six months before we tested them originally. The original Elisa should have been positive because we had them for 90 days before spaying them and they were in my nephew's care for many more months before that. The vet also latches onto that period as originating their exposure to the virus...because nothing else makes sense. The cat community lives in my sister's barn in a rural section of Wisconsin...she has put many cats up for adoption and has never had a case of FeLV in any of the their cats to date. The IFA detects viral protein either in the blood or blood cells. If Tux had anemia from FeLV itself then the virus would have to be very active in the bone marrow and blood, or, her immune system was compromised and she got a parasitic infection...also involving FeLV in the bone marrow. In both cases, with something as severe as anemia presenting, the IFA would be positive. It doesn't make sense that the IFA could be negative under these circumstances. From what I read you don't get anemia on initial exposure to the virus...the anemia is a side effect of serious infection of the bone marrow and white blood cells. Here is what I read about the snap test online (considering the source): 1) There is room for interpretation of the results by the technician (color detection). Sometimes the color is very faint or an over-zealous tech can see a faint color when there is none. 2) Some other antibodies in the blood can cross-react with the elisa...giving a false positive. 3) First two issues aside, the test is 95% accurate. IFA is over 99% accurate. Thanks again for your reply...I guess I'm having a hard time understanding why the IFA was negative in such a severe case of anemia and how Tux could ever have been exposed to the virus. Thanks. Dave ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
Well, the SNAP could indeed be wrong, Most vets now use the 3-way SNAP tests - FIV+FeLV+Heart Worm. Our shelter had horrible problems with these tests producing false negatives. We stopped using them. We got ahold of the old tests. Is the anemia better now? I think you said it was up to 15% from 10%, thought it's my understanding that that can vary, too by whether or not the cat is being given fluids. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave) Thanks for your reply Beth. I'm an engineer and I'm trying to make sense out of the tests...and what you said isn't all making sense to me yet :). The kittens had been separated from their mother for most of their lives. The mother was an outside-cat and died/disappeared right after the kittens were born. My nephew hand-fed the litter and we adopted two of five original kittens. They would have been un-exposed to other cats for more than six months before we tested them originally. The original Elisa should have been positive because we had them for 90 days before spaying them and they were in my nephew's care for many more months before that. The vet also latches onto that period as originating their exposure to the virus...because nothing else makes sense. The cat community lives in my sister's barn in a rural section of Wisconsin...she has put many cats up for adoption and has never had a case of FeLV in any of the their cats to date. The IFA detects viral protein either in the blood or blood cells. If Tux had anemia from FeLV itself then the virus would have to be very active in the bone marrow and blood, or, her immune system was compromised and she got a parasitic infection...also involving FeLV in the bone marrow. In both cases, with something as severe as anemia presenting, the IFA would be positive. It doesn't make sense that the IFA could be negative under these circumstances. From what I read you don't get anemia on initial exposure to the virus...the anemia is a side effect of serious infection of the bone marrow and white blood cells. Here is what I read about the snap test online (considering the source): 1) There is room for interpretation of the results by the technician (color detection). Sometimes the color is very faint or an over-zealous tech can see a faint color when there is none. 2) Some other antibodies in the blood can cross-react with the elisa...giving a false positive. 3) First two issues aside, the test is 95% accurate. IFA is over 99% accurate. Thanks again for your reply...I guess I'm having a hard time understanding why the IFA was negative in such a severe case of anemia and how Tux could ever have been exposed to the virus. Thanks. Dave ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
Dave, I have to agree with you. I have fostered many FeLV kittens who were positive from birth. Most died before they were 2 yrs old. Only one survived until 4 yo. In my experience kittens born to a positive mom test positive from the get go Shayrl From: David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave) Thanks for your reply Beth. I'm an engineer and I'm trying to make sense out of the tests...and what you said isn't all making sense to me yet :). The kittens had been separated from their mother for most of their lives. The mother was an outside-cat and died/disappeared right after the kittens were born. My nephew hand-fed the litter and we adopted two of five original kittens. They would have been un-exposed to other cats for more than six months before we tested them originally. The original Elisa should have been positive because we had them for 90 days before spaying them and they were in my nephew's care for many more months before that. The vet also latches onto that period as originating their exposure to the virus...because nothing else makes sense. The cat community lives in my sister's barn in a rural section of Wisconsin...she has put many cats up for adoption and has never had a case of FeLV in any of the their cats to date. The IFA detects viral protein either in the blood or blood cells. If Tux had anemia from FeLV itself then the virus would have to be very active in the bone marrow and blood, or, her immune system was compromised and she got a parasitic infection...also involving FeLV in the bone marrow. In both cases, with something as severe as anemia presenting, the IFA would be positive. It doesn't make sense that the IFA could be negative under these circumstances. From what I read you don't get anemia on initial exposure to the virus...the anemia is a side effect of serious infection of the bone marrow and white blood cells. Here is what I read about the snap test online (considering the source): 1) There is room for interpretation of the results by the technician (color detection). Sometimes the color is very faint or an over-zealous tech can see a faint color when there is none. 2) Some other antibodies in the blood can cross-react with the elisa...giving a false positive. 3) First two issues aside, the test is 95% accurate. IFA is over 99% accurate. Thanks again for your reply...I guess I'm having a hard time understanding why the IFA was negative in such a severe case of anemia and how Tux could ever have been exposed to the virus. Thanks. Dave ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
It's rather unlikely but not impossible that there was a false negative in the ELISA test, especially given the history of the cats. The IFA test is not perfect either. Have you considered any other possibility, such as Hemobartonella, which can be treated with doses of Baytril? I have had two cats who suffered from hemobartonella. It's difficult to diagnose but some of Tux's symptoms seem to be those of this disease. Fleas spread hemobartonella so you might want to treat Jet with Frontline Plus or Advantage for Cats. Tests can come up with all sorts of incorrect results. Several of my adult cats off the street tested positive for FeLv but had so many other issues like URI, mange, etc. that their immune systems were overwhelmed. After treatment for the other problems and after three months these cats tested negative for FeLv. You need to retest both cats but first bring the problem with Tux under control. Maybe you should seek a second opinion from another vet not associated with the woman who seems to test for a pre-determined opinion she has. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Dave Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave) Thanks for the info. We've had Tux and her litter mate, Jet, since they were around 6 months old. Both were tested and negative when they were spayed at 9 months. If they were exposed it had to be 4.5 years ago and then they both had false negative elisa tests. We are going to test Jet. I'll share those results when we get them. Based on the flow chart we'll re-test Tux with IFA in 30 and 60 days. If those tests are negative then we'll accept the negative diagnosis. Yes, the blood antibody test may indicate an auto immune disorder. This test will also be positive for blood-specific antigens (parasites and FeLV). We didn't want to take any more blood so we just started treatment for parasites without confirmation. The vet indicated that the antibiotic would be prescribed for FeLV anyway to ward off secondary infections. I read that elisa can be false positive for a lot of reasons. In this case technician error is at the top of my thoughts. I think the vet had decided on the diagnosis and read the elisa wrong. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts and experiences with FeLV. Dave On Dec 25, 2012, at 4:00 PM, Lori felineres...@frontier.com wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
The antibiotics are usually because they are treating for Hemobartonella, whether they know the cat has it or not - I guess it can be hard to see. Hemobartoella is supposedly more common in FeLV cats, though I had a negative cat who had it. Usually if a cat tests positive on a SNAP test they re-do it, to make sure the test was done correctly. Your cat could easily have been exposed to the virus before the original SNAP test years ago. It can take 3 months after exposure for a cat to test positive. If you re-test on the SNAP Tux still tests positive, you can have an IFA done. The IFA is done to see what the progression of the virus is. If the IFA is positive it means the virus is replicating in the bone marrow cannot be thrown off. A negative IFA with a positive SNAP test does NOT mean the cat is negative the SNAP test is wrong. It simply means the cat still has a chance of throwing off the virus. Good luck. If Tux does have Hemobartonella she should respond quickly to the antibiotics. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Dave Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave) Thanks for the info. We've had Tux and her litter mate, Jet, since they were around 6 months old. Both were tested and negative when they were spayed at 9 months. If they were exposed it had to be 4.5 years ago and then they both had false negative elisa tests. We are going to test Jet. I'll share those results when we get them. Based on the flow chart we'll re-test Tux with IFA in 30 and 60 days. If those tests are negative then we'll accept the negative diagnosis. Yes, the blood antibody test may indicate an auto immune disorder. This test will also be positive for blood-specific antigens (parasites and FeLV). We didn't want to take any more blood so we just started treatment for parasites without confirmation. The vet indicated that the antibiotic would be prescribed for FeLV anyway to ward off secondary infections. I read that elisa can be false positive for a lot of reasons. In this case technician error is at the top of my thoughts. I think the vet had decided on the diagnosis and read the elisa wrong. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts and experiences with FeLV. Dave On Dec 25, 2012, at 4:00 PM, Lori felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Dave, I'm no expert by any means, but I have had a bit of experience with FelV as I have 16 cats at home and more in my own rescue shelter in a building I bought in 2004 and made into a cageless sanctuary for cats. I have several FelV cats there. The only thing I can think of regarding Tux is that she may have been exposed to the virus before you adopted her. It can take about 6 weeks after exposure to the virus before the Elisa test shows a definite positive or negative. Anemia is something several of my FelV cats have died from, and a few of them were positive as long as 5 years before showing any symptoms. Usually positive kittens die within the first year, but not always. Approximately 1/3 of all positive cats carry the virus and never show symptoms, 1/3 die, and the other 1/3 have immune systems strong enough to kill the virus. As for the vaccine preventing FelV, if Tux had already been exposed before you adopted her the vaccine would not have kept her from developing FelV. At this time I have a litter of four 7 month old rescued kittens who all tested positive. There mother was feral and probably FelV positive. Sadly, one died last week and the other three still appear very healthy. I will retest them in a couple weeks and hopefully they will be negative. The difference in your Elisa test and your IFA test is puzzling. You wrote that her blood test showed she was having an immune reaction to her own blood, and this appears (to me) to be more of an auto-immune problem rather than FelV. Please keep us updated on Tux. Lorrie On 12-25, David Arthurs wrote: Our female cat, Tux, is 5 years old and is recovering from acute anemia...we are 2-cat household...both house cats, not allowed outside and no exposure to other cats as far as we know. Both were tested at the age of spaying (~9 mos) for FeLV (Elisa) and were negative and vaccinated against it...and boostered 2 years ago. Tux's blood chem was normal except for severe anemia (10% RBC). She had lost 2 lbs off her normal weight (sudden)...had a positive snap test and negative IFA for FeLV. Her blood also tested positive for immune reaction to her own blood. We started treatment on prednisone and antibiotics and she has gained 1/4 pound and boosted her new RBC count by 5x, now RBC is at 15% by blood volume...all in one week's time. The vet
Re: [Felvtalk] anemia and negative IFA
Dave I would have your other cat tested. I find it hard to believe that an indoor only cat suddenly tests positive. Here is the link to a flow chart I found helpful to understand the test results http://www.felineleukemia.org/felvhlth.html Hope it helps Sharyl From: David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 6:14 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] anemia and negative IFA Our female cat, Tux, is 5 years old and is recovering from acute anemia...we are 2-cat household...both house cats, not allowed outside and no exposure to other cats as far as we know. Both were tested at the age of spaying (~9 mos) for FeLV (Elisa) and were negative and vaccinated against it...and boostered 2 years ago. Tux's blood chem was normal except for severe anemia (10% RBC). She had lost 2 lbs off her normal weight (sudden)...had a positive snap test and negative IFA for FeLV. Her blood also tested positive for immune reaction to her own blood. We started treatment on prednisone and antibiotics and she has gained 1/4 pound and boosted her new RBC count by 5x, now RBC is at 15% by blood volume...all in one week's time. The vet is certain she has FeLV...even though we're having a hard time understanding how she could possibly have been exposed...and if exposed why the vaccine didn't prevent infection (it seems like a real long shot that she would have caught FeLV). I am also trying to understand how the IFA test could be negative...the low RBC count seems to indicate that this is secondary viremia...and infecting her bone marrow (which should lead to a positive IFA). The vet keeps suggesting implausible ways she may have caught the virus in order to maintain the diagnosis as FeLV. Please let me know your experiences and please be honest if you think we're in denial. From online research I've been able to determine that the snap test is about 90-95% reliable (and prone to technician error if faintly positive) and the IFA is 99.9% accurate...but may not register right away if she has an initial infection. Thanks for any advice you can share. Dave -- Dave Arthurs 415.518.9960 mobile 415.344.6546 office ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
Dave, I'm no expert by any means, but I have had a bit of experience with FelV as I have 16 cats at home and more in my own rescue shelter in a building I bought in 2004 and made into a cageless sanctuary for cats. I have several FelV cats there. The only thing I can think of regarding Tux is that she may have been exposed to the virus before you adopted her. It can take about 6 weeks after exposure to the virus before the Elisa test shows a definite positive or negative. Anemia is something several of my FelV cats have died from, and a few of them were positive as long as 5 years before showing any symptoms. Usually positive kittens die within the first year, but not always. Approximately 1/3 of all positive cats carry the virus and never show symptoms, 1/3 die, and the other 1/3 have immune systems strong enough to kill the virus. As for the vaccine preventing FelV, if Tux had already been exposed before you adopted her the vaccine would not have kept her from developing FelV. At this time I have a litter of four 7 month old rescued kittens who all tested positive. There mother was feral and probably FelV positive. Sadly, one died last week and the other three still appear very healthy. I will retest them in a couple weeks and hopefully they will be negative. The difference in your Elisa test and your IFA test is puzzling. You wrote that her blood test showed she was having an immune reaction to her own blood, and this appears (to me) to be more of an auto-immune problem rather than FelV. Please keep us updated on Tux. Lorrie On 12-25, David Arthurs wrote: Our female cat, Tux, is 5 years old and is recovering from acute anemia...we are 2-cat household...both house cats, not allowed outside and no exposure to other cats as far as we know. Both were tested at the age of spaying (~9 mos) for FeLV (Elisa) and were negative and vaccinated against it...and boostered 2 years ago. Tux's blood chem was normal except for severe anemia (10% RBC). She had lost 2 lbs off her normal weight (sudden)...had a positive snap test and negative IFA for FeLV. Her blood also tested positive for immune reaction to her own blood. We started treatment on prednisone and antibiotics and she has gained 1/4 pound and boosted her new RBC count by 5x, now RBC is at 15% by blood volume...all in one week's time. The vet is certain she has FeLV...even though we're having a hard time understanding how she could possibly have been exposed...and if exposed why the vaccine didn't prevent infection (it seems like a real long shot that she would have caught FeLV). I am also trying to understand how the IFA test could be negative...the low RBC count seems to indicate that this is secondary viremia...and infecting her bone marrow (which should lead to a positive IFA). The vet keeps suggesting implausible ways she may have caught the virus in order to maintain the diagnosis as FeLV. Please let me know your experiences and please be honest if you think we're in denial. From online research I've been able to determine that the snap test is about 90-95% reliable (and prone to technician error if faintly positive) and the IFA is 99.9% accurate...but may not register right away if she has an initial infection. Thanks for any advice you can share. Dave -- Dave Arthurs 415.518.9960 mobile 415.344.6546 office ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Re anemia and negative IFA (Dave)
Thanks for the info. We've had Tux and her litter mate, Jet, since they were around 6 months old. Both were tested and negative when they were spayed at 9 months. If they were exposed it had to be 4.5 years ago and then they both had false negative elisa tests. We are going to test Jet. I'll share those results when we get them. Based on the flow chart we'll re-test Tux with IFA in 30 and 60 days. If those tests are negative then we'll accept the negative diagnosis. Yes, the blood antibody test may indicate an auto immune disorder. This test will also be positive for blood-specific antigens (parasites and FeLV). We didn't want to take any more blood so we just started treatment for parasites without confirmation. The vet indicated that the antibiotic would be prescribed for FeLV anyway to ward off secondary infections. I read that elisa can be false positive for a lot of reasons. In this case technician error is at the top of my thoughts. I think the vet had decided on the diagnosis and read the elisa wrong. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts and experiences with FeLV. Dave On Dec 25, 2012, at 4:00 PM, Lori felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Dave, I'm no expert by any means, but I have had a bit of experience with FelV as I have 16 cats at home and more in my own rescue shelter in a building I bought in 2004 and made into a cageless sanctuary for cats. I have several FelV cats there. The only thing I can think of regarding Tux is that she may have been exposed to the virus before you adopted her. It can take about 6 weeks after exposure to the virus before the Elisa test shows a definite positive or negative. Anemia is something several of my FelV cats have died from, and a few of them were positive as long as 5 years before showing any symptoms. Usually positive kittens die within the first year, but not always. Approximately 1/3 of all positive cats carry the virus and never show symptoms, 1/3 die, and the other 1/3 have immune systems strong enough to kill the virus. As for the vaccine preventing FelV, if Tux had already been exposed before you adopted her the vaccine would not have kept her from developing FelV. At this time I have a litter of four 7 month old rescued kittens who all tested positive. There mother was feral and probably FelV positive. Sadly, one died last week and the other three still appear very healthy. I will retest them in a couple weeks and hopefully they will be negative. The difference in your Elisa test and your IFA test is puzzling. You wrote that her blood test showed she was having an immune reaction to her own blood, and this appears (to me) to be more of an auto-immune problem rather than FelV. Please keep us updated on Tux. Lorrie On 12-25, David Arthurs wrote: Our female cat, Tux, is 5 years old and is recovering from acute anemia...we are 2-cat household...both house cats, not allowed outside and no exposure to other cats as far as we know. Both were tested at the age of spaying (~9 mos) for FeLV (Elisa) and were negative and vaccinated against it...and boostered 2 years ago. Tux's blood chem was normal except for severe anemia (10% RBC). She had lost 2 lbs off her normal weight (sudden)...had a positive snap test and negative IFA for FeLV. Her blood also tested positive for immune reaction to her own blood. We started treatment on prednisone and antibiotics and she has gained 1/4 pound and boosted her new RBC count by 5x, now RBC is at 15% by blood volume...all in one week's time. The vet is certain she has FeLV...even though we're having a hard time understanding how she could possibly have been exposed...and if exposed why the vaccine didn't prevent infection (it seems like a real long shot that she would have caught FeLV). I am also trying to understand how the IFA test could be negative...the low RBC count seems to indicate that this is secondary viremia...and infecting her bone marrow (which should lead to a positive IFA). The vet keeps suggesting implausible ways she may have caught the virus in order to maintain the diagnosis as FeLV. Please let me know your experiences and please be honest if you think we're in denial. From online research I've been able to determine that the snap test is about 90-95% reliable (and prone to technician error if faintly positive) and the IFA is 99.9% accurate...but may not register right away if she has an initial infection. Thanks for any advice you can share. Dave -- Dave Arthurs 415.518.9960 mobile 415.344.6546 office ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia in Desi (was STORM/REPLY LORRIE, 11/6 - Scents and other chemicals)
My vet gave my anemic cat B12 subQs, but he still needed a transfusion. He was probably a lot more anemic, though. His blood looked like water and he had a red blood cell parasite. Have you checked for that? Here's a nice page (about which you probably already know) about anemia: http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm The short of it is, get some treatment fast. On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I am fostering one of my former colony cats. My friend is now feeding the colony, which was hers to begin with but since I moved out of the county and live 35 miles away, she has had to take back the care of the 7 colonies with which I was helping her. Desi, the cat I am now fostering has lost a lot of weight. My friend took him to the vet and the cat has tested positive for FeLv. His PCV test is at 10 and the vet doesn't hold out much hope for long term survival. In addition, the vet felt a small mass near the cat's liver. However, what's puzzling is that Desi is still eating, still grooming, his fur is shiny like a healthy cat. His eyes were clear and bright last night but had a little gunk on one cheek this morning. But they are still wide and bright and he doesn't seem to be in any discomfort or pain. One thing though is that he's weak. He walks slowly and sits down after a few steps but then he gets up, rubs against me and then sits again. His belly is large but i can feel his backbone when I stroke him. When I knew him as a street cat, he was plump and active and mischievous. I have known him since he was a half grown kitten. He was one of many black cats born to a black feral mom cat in the colony but he was friendly to me and my rescue partner. When we got them neutered, we did not test them for anything because we don't have money for that. Desi is about 4 years old. The colony hangs out at an office park. I'm wondering if there's any way short of a transfusion to deal with his anemia. I'm giving him Nutra Ved vitamins daily, .5 cc. twice a day. I can't afford the transfusion and with a leukemia positive cat I don't feel it would be wise or that any vet would be willing to do that. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar) Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Is ther anything that can reverse the anemia?
I guess you are presuming this is non-regenerative, correct? On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.comwrote: I am worried that my 4 year old FeLV+ kitty Tweezer may be anemic. I will be taking him to the vet asap but am wondering if there is anything that can reverse the anemia once is starts. I have lost two positive kitties already to anemia and I sure don't want to see it happen to Tweezer. We bought Buzzy a few months with Doxycycline and Prednelolone but it's never enough time. Does anyone know of anything that can reverse it? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Is ther anything that can reverse the anemia?
I am worried that my 4 year old FeLV+ kitty Tweezer may be anemic. I will be taking him to the vet asap but am wondering if there is anything that can reverse the anemia once is starts. I have lost two positive kitties already to anemia and I sure don't want to see it happen to Tweezer. We bought Buzzy a few months with Doxycycline and Prednelolone but it's never enough time. Does anyone know of anything that can reverse it? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Is ther anything that can reverse the anemia?
It depends on what causes the anemia. I don't really know how to treat anemia in cats, but I am anemic due to an iron deficiency --- I have to take an iron supplement. Vitamin C helps the body absorb the iron. Another treatment it getting a B-12 complex shot. The B-12 shot would probably be easiest on a cat. Eating red meat and chicken are also good sources of iron. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 31, 2011, at 7:38 PM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: I am worried that my 4 year old FeLV+ kitty Tweezer may be anemic. I will be taking him to the vet asap but am wondering if there is anything that can reverse the anemia once is starts. I have lost two positive kitties already to anemia and I sure don't want to see it happen to Tweezer. We bought Buzzy a few months with Doxycycline and Prednelolone but it's never enough time. Does anyone know of anything that can reverse it? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Is ther anything that can reverse the anemia?
We started our Gray on a very high dose of Pred. It has about a week lag time before you see results. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 31, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: I am worried that my 4 year old FeLV+ kitty Tweezer may be anemic. I will be taking him to the vet asap but am wondering if there is anything that can reverse the anemia once is starts. I have lost two positive kitties already to anemia and I sure don't want to see it happen to Tweezer. We bought Buzzy a few months with Doxycycline and Prednelolone but it's never enough time. Does anyone know of anything that can reverse it? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Trying to do the right thing for Avis who is FeLV+ w/nonregenerative anemia
I am so grateful to find this group. Please help me with your collective experience wisdom on this horrible disease. I don't have many specifics about Avis' history, but I gather that he was a stray in bad shape when he was rescued, then bounced around before settling in a dorm room with a college student friend of my daughter. Avis is currently about 21 months old. In May, I agreed to keep him for the summer. The original plan was that he would live in my good-sized, many-windowed basement safely separated from Max, my 9 year old border terrier who has never shared his home with another animal. Avis would return to his college student when school started after labor day. I absolutely did not expect the silly dog cat to become best friends in a week, playing together all over the house. Max wasn't the only one who quickly became fond of Avis, so I offered to keep him through the school year to avoid cooping him up in a dorm room. Avis came to us with a diagnosis of Feline Herpes a third eyelid permanently raised about halfway on one eye. A few days ago, I took him to a vet ophthalmologist for a minor procedure to improve his vision. A complete blood workup was done as prep to general anesthesia. It showed anemia, nonregenerative. WBC, Neutrophils LYM were also very low normal. The eye procedure was postponed. I rushed Avis to my vet for a FeLV/FIV test. Positive for FeLV, which was heartbreaking, but not really a surprise. Avis feels just fine right now. But because he already has blood abnormalities there is obviously no way to predict how long he will continue to feel good. My vet says she is willing to try any reasonable option to give him a chance at as much good quality life as possible. So I am now researching LTCI, Interferon, ImmunoRegulin, Staph Protein A -- all the treatments I'm sure have been thoroughly discussed on this forum before. Any consensus about what is most safe effective? Because there do not seem to be any definitive clinical trials or studies to go by. I will likely take care of Avis for the time he has left -- this is too much for a busy, stressed out college student to handle. Any suggestions to keep Avis as strong and comfortable and happy as possible for as long as possible will be very, very much appreciated. Thank you! Kris B. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Trying to do the right thing for Avis who is FeLV+ w/nonregenerative anemia
That's so wonderful, Kris - now you know that your dog is really open to another animal buddy! I'm sure you'll get great advice from othersI am also fairly new to this group and have two very healthy FeLV+ adult male cats. I just wanted to tell you that I am currently socializing two 3-month old kittens, they are extremely well-adjusted. Our small dog, a Shnorky (Schnauzer/Yorky) and the male kitten absolutely love each other. They chase each other, roll around, chewing one another, playing hide and seek, pouncing out from behind the hiding places, etc...and the female doesn't mind any of that craziness, either! None of the adult cats mind our dog, they were here first. But I am seriously considering not finding a home for Tobey because Cookie and he are such great friends! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of nise...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 1:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Trying to do the right thing for Avis who is FeLV+ w/nonregenerative anemia I am so grateful to find this group. Please help me with your collective experience wisdom on this horrible disease. I don't have many specifics about Avis' history, but I gather that he was a stray in bad shape when he was rescued, then bounced around before settling in a dorm room with a college student friend of my daughter. Avis is currently about 21 months old. In May, I agreed to keep him for the summer. The original plan was that he would live in my good-sized, many-windowed basement safely separated from Max, my 9 year old border terrier who has never shared his home with another animal. Avis would return to his college student when school started after labor day. I absolutely did not expect the silly dog cat to become best friends in a week, playing together all over the house. Max wasn't the only one who quickly became fond of Avis, so I offered to keep him through the school year to avoid cooping him up in a dorm room. Avis came to us with a diagnosis of Feline Herpes a third eyelid permanently raised about halfway on one eye. A few days ago, I took him to a vet ophthalmologist for a minor procedure to improve his vision. A complete blood workup was done as prep to general anesthesia. It showed anemia, nonregenerative. WBC, Neutrophils LYM were also very low normal. The eye procedure was postponed. I rushed Avis to my vet for a FeLV/FIV test. Positive for FeLV, which was heartbreaking, but not really a surprise. Avis feels just fine right now. But because he already has blood abnormalities there is obviously no way to predict how long he will continue to feel good. My vet says she is willing to try any reasonable option to give him a chance at as much good quality life as possible. So I am now researching LTCI, Interferon, ImmunoRegulin, Staph Protein A -- all the treatments I'm sure have been thoroughly discussed on this forum before. Any consensus about what is most safe effective? Because there do not seem to be any definitive clinical trials or studies to go by. I will likely take care of Avis for the time he has left -- this is too much for a busy, stressed out college student to handle. Any suggestions to keep Avis as strong and comfortable and happy as possible for as long as possible will be very, very much appreciated. Thank you! Kris B. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Trying to do the right thing for Avis who is FeLV+ w/nonregenerative anemia
How anemic is he? what is his HCT? It is a common thing with FeLV needs to be monitored. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 9/30/10, nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com wrote: From: nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Trying to do the right thing for Avis who is FeLV+ w/nonregenerative anemia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:39 PM I am so grateful to find this group. Please help me with your collective experience wisdom on this horrible disease. I don't have many specifics about Avis' history, but I gather that he was a stray in bad shape when he was rescued, then bounced around before settling in a dorm room with a college student friend of my daughter. Avis is currently about 21 months old. In May, I agreed to keep him for the summer. The original plan was that he would live in my good-sized, many-windowed basement safely separated from Max, my 9 year old border terrier who has never shared his home with another animal. Avis would return to his college student when school started after labor day. I absolutely did not expect the silly dog cat to become best friends in a week, playing together all over the house. Max wasn't the only one who quickly became fond of Avis, so I offered to keep him through the school year to avoid cooping him up in a dorm room. Avis came to us with a diagnosis of Feline Herpes a third eyelid permanently raised about halfway on one eye. A few days ago, I took him to a vet ophthalmologist for a minor procedure to improve his vision. A complete blood workup was done as prep to general anesthesia. It showed anemia, nonregenerative. WBC, Neutrophils LYM were also very low normal. The eye procedure was postponed. I rushed Avis to my vet for a FeLV/FIV test. Positive for FeLV, which was heartbreaking, but not really a surprise. Avis feels just fine right now. But because he already has blood abnormalities there is obviously no way to predict how long he will continue to feel good. My vet says she is willing to try any reasonable option to give him a chance at as much good quality life as possible. So I am now researching LTCI, Interferon, ImmunoRegulin, Staph Protein A -- all the treatments I'm sure have been thoroughly discussed on this forum before. Any consensus about what is most safe effective? Because there do not seem to be any definitive clinical trials or studies to go by. I will likely take care of Avis for the time he has left -- this is too much for a busy, stressed out college student to handle. Any suggestions to keep Avis as strong and comfortable and happy as possible for as long as possible will be very, very much appreciated. Thank you! Kris B. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Trying to do the right thing for Avis who is FeLV+ w/nonregenerative anemia
Hi Beth, RBC 4.37 HCT 21% Gums tongue a little pale, lower energy than other cats his age, but eating well, playing keeping up with everything that's going on the other side of the windows. My vet tells me that many anemic cats feel fine until the HCT hits 15%, give or take. We will do another blood test end of Oct, then approx every few months to see if the numbers hold steady, or monitor how fast they drop. So my goal is to keep those numbers up as high as possible for as long as possible. I understand that sometimes treatments like LTCI, Interferon, etc can help with that. Any thoughts/experiences? KB From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 2:58:29 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Trying to do the right thing for Avis who is FeLV+ w/nonregenerative anemia How anemic is he? what is his HCT? It is a common thing with FeLV needs to be monitored. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 9/30/10, nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com wrote: From: nise...@yahoo.com nise...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Trying to do the right thing for Avis who is FeLV+ w/nonregenerative anemia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, September 30, 2010, 1:39 PM I am so grateful to find this group. Please help me with your collective experience wisdom on this horrible disease. I don't have many specifics about Avis' history, but I gather that he was a stray in bad shape when he was rescued, then bounced around before settling in a dorm room with a college student friend of my daughter. Avis is currently about 21 months old. In May, I agreed to keep him for the summer. The original plan was that he would live in my good-sized, many-windowed basement safely separated from Max, my 9 year old border terrier who has never shared his home with another animal. Avis would return to his college student when school started after labor day. I absolutely did not expect the silly dog cat to become best friends in a week, playing together all over the house. Max wasn't the only one who quickly became fond of Avis, so I offered to keep him through the school year to avoid cooping him up in a dorm room. Avis came to us with a diagnosis of Feline Herpes a third eyelid permanently raised about halfway on one eye. A few days ago, I took him to a vet ophthalmologist for a minor procedure to improve his vision. A complete blood workup was done as prep to general anesthesia. It showed anemia, nonregenerative. WBC, Neutrophils LYM were also very low normal. The eye procedure was postponed. I rushed Avis to my vet for a FeLV/FIV test. Positive for FeLV, which was heartbreaking, but not really a surprise. Avis feels just fine right now. But because he already has blood abnormalities there is obviously no way to predict how long he will continue to feel good. My vet says she is willing to try any reasonable option to give him a chance at as much good quality life as possible. So I am now researching LTCI, Interferon, ImmunoRegulin, Staph Protein A -- all the treatments I'm sure have been thoroughly discussed on this forum before. Any consensus about what is most safe effective? Because there do not seem to be any definitive clinical trials or studies to go by. I will likely take care of Avis for the time he has left -- this is too much for a busy, stressed out college student to handle. Any suggestions to keep Avis as strong and comfortable and happy as possible for as long as possible will be very, very much appreciated. Thank you! Kris B. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Trying to do the right thing for Avis who is FeLV+ w/nonregenerative anemia
Thanks for the kind welcome, Natalie! It really was a joy to watch my feisty old terrier become such friends with a young cat. For whatever reason, they just clicked. I am glad it happened, because I think that Avis needs us. So are you doing anything special for your FeLV+ cats? Diet, supplements? How about stuff to avoid? Any insight is much appreciated. KB From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 2:24:14 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Trying to do the right thing for Avis who is FeLV+ w/nonregenerative anemia That's so wonderful, Kris - now you know that your dog is really open to another animal buddy! I'm sure you'll get great advice from othersI am also fairly new to this group and have two very healthy FeLV+ adult male cats. I just wanted to tell you that I am currently socializing two 3-month old kittens, they are extremely well-adjusted. Our small dog, a Shnorky (Schnauzer/Yorky) and the male kitten absolutely love each other. They chase each other, roll around, chewing one another, playing hide and seek, pouncing out from behind the hiding places, etc...and the female doesn't mind any of that craziness, either! None of the adult cats mind our dog, they were here first. But I am seriously considering not finding a home for Tobey because Cookie and he are such great friends! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of nise...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 1:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Trying to do the right thing for Avis who is FeLV+ w/nonregenerative anemia I am so grateful to find this group. Please help me with your collective experience wisdom on this horrible disease. I don't have many specifics about Avis' history, but I gather that he was a stray in bad shape when he was rescued, then bounced around before settling in a dorm room with a college student friend of my daughter. Avis is currently about 21 months old. In May, I agreed to keep him for the summer. The original plan was that he would live in my good-sized, many-windowed basement safely separated from Max, my 9 year old border terrier who has never shared his home with another animal. Avis would return to his college student when school started after labor day. I absolutely did not expect the silly dog cat to become best friends in a week, playing together all over the house. Max wasn't the only one who quickly became fond of Avis, so I offered to keep him through the school year to avoid cooping him up in a dorm room. Avis came to us with a diagnosis of Feline Herpes a third eyelid permanently raised about halfway on one eye. A few days ago, I took him to a vet ophthalmologist for a minor procedure to improve his vision. A complete blood workup was done as prep to general anesthesia. It showed anemia, nonregenerative. WBC, Neutrophils LYM were also very low normal. The eye procedure was postponed. I rushed Avis to my vet for a FeLV/FIV test. Positive for FeLV, which was heartbreaking, but not really a surprise. Avis feels just fine right now. But because he already has blood abnormalities there is obviously no way to predict how long he will continue to feel good. My vet says she is willing to try any reasonable option to give him a chance at as much good quality life as possible. So I am now researching LTCI, Interferon, ImmunoRegulin, Staph Protein A -- all the treatments I'm sure have been thoroughly discussed on this forum before. Any consensus about what is most safe effective? Because there do not seem to be any definitive clinical trials or studies to go by. I will likely take care of Avis for the time he has left -- this is too much for a busy, stressed out college student to handle. Any suggestions to keep Avis as strong and comfortable and happy as possible for as long as possible will be very, very much appreciated. Thank you! Kris B. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads to hemolytic anemia
WOULD LIKE TO COMPARE NOTES. I WAS BITTEN BY A SPIDER (AT LEAST THE DR ASSUMES IT WAS LAST YEAR AND ENDED UP AT ER. AN AREA THE SIZE OF MY HAND WAS SWOLLEN, RED AND ITCHED LIKE CRAZY. DR SAID WOULD GRADUALLY EASE AND CLEAR UP. IT DID AND THEN THIS USMMER WHEN IT STARTED GETTING HOT, THAT SAME AREA ITCHES AND IS COVERED WITH SMALL, HARD BUMPS. NO SWELLING THIS TIME, JUST RED( COULD BE BECAUSE IT ITCHES AND I SCRATCH IT). HAVE YOU EXPERIENCED THIS? MY CATS DO GO OUTSIDE AND ROAM THE WOODS AROUND MY HOUSE. NOW I AM MORE WORRIED ABOUT SPIDERS THAN COYOTES. LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com wrote: I was bitten by one last November. My wound didn't become necrotic - but the swollen area was about 10 in diameter, it was tremendously painful and I have a discolored noticeable concavity in my leg at the bite site which will probably be permanent. Since that time I have suffered from constant exhaustion along with muscle spasms in the affected leg that are sometimes non-stop. So, I am always on the lookout for them. Interesting - I would love to see the research if you would kindly email it to me. --- On Sat, 7/10/10, Ana Gutierrez ana...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ana Gutierrez ana...@gmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads to hemolytic anemia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 11:53 PM Dears, I keep thinking of how fast I lost Beltza, and hence I keep researching. Just to find out that is very weird*, but that the bite of a *Loxosceles reclusa* causes hemolytic anemia. *weird in adults, not that weird in children -- I would say, not that weird in our cats. I don't know if these spiders are common where you live, but please google a pic of them so you can recognize it --and kill it--- when you see one. Please don't expose your kitties to this bug. Best, Ana PS. If someone wants the original scientific papers I've read, let me know, so I can email them ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads tohemolytic anemia
We are talking bout a Brown Recluse? Don't they have the violin on their back? I find them all the time will be much more careful from now on! Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 21:11:10 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads to hemolytic anemia I was bitten by one last November. My wound didn't become necrotic - but the swollen area was about 10 in diameter, it was tremendously painful and I have a discolored noticeable concavity in my leg at the bite site which will probably be permanent. Since that time I have suffered from constant exhaustion along with muscle spasms in the affected leg that are sometimes non-stop. So, I am always on the lookout for them. Interesting - I would love to see the research if you would kindly email it to me. --- On Sat, 7/10/10, Ana Gutierrez ana...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ana Gutierrez ana...@gmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads to hemolytic anemia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 11:53 PM Dears, I keep thinking of how fast I lost Beltza, and hence I keep researching. Just to find out that is very weird*, but that the bite of a *Loxosceles reclusa* causes hemolytic anemia. *weird in adults, not that weird in children -- I would say, not that weird in our cats. I don't know if these spiders are common where you live, but please google a pic of them so you can recognize it --and kill it--- when you see one. Please don't expose your kitties to this bug. Best, Ana PS. If someone wants the original scientific papers I've read, let me know, so I can email them ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads tohemolytic anemia
Another name is fiddler spider... On Jul 11, 2010, at 7:31 AM, create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: We are talking bout a Brown Recluse? Don't they have the violin on their back? I find them all the time will be much more careful from now on! Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 21:11:10 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads to hemolytic anemia I was bitten by one last November. My wound didn't become necrotic - but the swollen area was about 10 in diameter, it was tremendously painful and I have a discolored noticeable concavity in my leg at the bite site which will probably be permanent. Since that time I have suffered from constant exhaustion along with muscle spasms in the affected leg that are sometimes non-stop. So, I am always on the lookout for them. Interesting - I would love to see the research if you would kindly email it to me. --- On Sat, 7/10/10, Ana Gutierrez ana...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ana Gutierrez ana...@gmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads to hemolytic anemia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 11:53 PM Dears, I keep thinking of how fast I lost Beltza, and hence I keep researching. Just to find out that is very weird*, but that the bite of a *Loxosceles reclusa* causes hemolytic anemia. *weird in adults, not that weird in children -- I would say, not that weird in our cats. I don't know if these spiders are common where you live, but please google a pic of them so you can recognize it --and kill it--- when you see one. Please don't expose your kitties to this bug. Best, Ana PS. If someone wants the original scientific papers I've read, let me know, so I can email them ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads to hemolytic anemia
Dears, I keep thinking of how fast I lost Beltza, and hence I keep researching. Just to find out that is very weird*, but that the bite of a *Loxosceles reclusa* causes hemolytic anemia. *weird in adults, not that weird in children -- I would say, not that weird in our cats. I don't know if these spiders are common where you live, but please google a pic of them so you can recognize it --and kill it--- when you see one. Please don't expose your kitties to this bug. Best, Ana PS. If someone wants the original scientific papers I've read, let me know, so I can email them ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads to hemolytic anemia
I am so sorry for your loss. We lost our Joey to AIHA several years ago after aggressive treatment. It was very very difficult. Again I am sorry. On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 10:53 PM, Ana Gutierrez ana...@gmail.com wrote: Dears, I keep thinking of how fast I lost Beltza, and hence I keep researching. Just to find out that is very weird*, but that the bite of a *Loxosceles reclusa* causes hemolytic anemia. *weird in adults, not that weird in children -- I would say, not that weird in our cats. I don't know if these spiders are common where you live, but please google a pic of them so you can recognize it --and kill it--- when you see one. Please don't expose your kitties to this bug. Best, Ana PS. If someone wants the original scientific papers I've read, let me know, so I can email them ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads to hemolytic anemia
I was bitten by one last November. My wound didn't become necrotic - but the swollen area was about 10 in diameter, it was tremendously painful and I have a discolored noticeable concavity in my leg at the bite site which will probably be permanent. Since that time I have suffered from constant exhaustion along with muscle spasms in the affected leg that are sometimes non-stop. So, I am always on the lookout for them. Interesting - I would love to see the research if you would kindly email it to me. --- On Sat, 7/10/10, Ana Gutierrez ana...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ana Gutierrez ana...@gmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads to hemolytic anemia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 11:53 PM Dears, I keep thinking of how fast I lost Beltza, and hence I keep researching. Just to find out that is very weird*, but that the bite of a *Loxosceles reclusa* causes hemolytic anemia. *weird in adults, not that weird in children -- I would say, not that weird in our cats. I don't know if these spiders are common where you live, but please google a pic of them so you can recognize it --and kill it--- when you see one. Please don't expose your kitties to this bug. Best, Ana PS. If someone wants the original scientific papers I've read, let me know, so I can email them ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads tohemolytic anemia
Ana, I would like to read the scientific papers please. I appreciate it! Kim ...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will change for that one pet... The top ten reasons to spay and neuter your dog or cat were killed in a shelter today. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ana Gutierrez Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 11:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads tohemolytic anemia Dears, I keep thinking of how fast I lost Beltza, and hence I keep researching. Just to find out that is very weird*, but that the bite of a *Loxosceles reclusa* causes hemolytic anemia. *weird in adults, not that weird in children -- I would say, not that weird in our cats. I don't know if these spiders are common where you live, but please google a pic of them so you can recognize it --and kill it--- when you see one. Please don't expose your kitties to this bug. Best, Ana PS. If someone wants the original scientific papers I've read, let me know, so I can email them ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Zinc and anemia
Since anemia can be a persistent and deadly problem for felv+ cats, the recent recall of some of the Nutro foods is disturbing to me. The reason given for the recall is a problem with the amounts of zinc and potassium. Apparently too much zinc leads to copper deficiency and anemia, although this is not particularly common in cats. I started reading about this condition literally a few hours before Denzel died, because one of the symptoms of copper deficiency in black cats (he originally was solid black) is that their fur turns rust colored - by that time Denzel was almost looking like a tortie! I didn't follow up with the vet about what I'd been reading because all the docs who were treating Denzel were pretty sure his anemia had to be from hemobart. (Nothing was detected under the microscope, but I understand that's fairly common.) I'm definitely feeling guilty because I actually got him some of the Nutro soft food when he started to get sick that last time, because I liked the ingredient list. Logically I know that a couple of pouches wouldn't cause the whole problem, but now I wonder if some of his other food may have had a similar problem, or if he got ahold of one of the zinc pills my mom and I were both taking for cold season. Anyway, my reason for posting this is to let others fighting the dreaded anemia know that this is something to check with your vets about; maybe copper supplementation can help prolong some kitties' lives. (But do not supplement without a vet's guidance! Cats only need a trace amount of copper!) -Emily (I know, I read too much for my own good!) Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Zinc and anemia
Don't beat yourself up Emily. From what I have read the Nutro recall was only for the dry Nutro foods. I am so sorry Denzel has crossed the Rainbow Bridge. I do understand the pain you are feeling. We do the best we can with the resources we have. Sharyl --- On Sat, 5/23/09, Emily Hunter emilyofw...@aol.com wrote: From: Emily Hunter emilyofw...@aol.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Zinc and anemia To: Felv Talk List felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 3:40 AM Since anemia can be a persistent and deadly problem for felv+ cats, the recent recall of some of the Nutro foods is disturbing to me. The reason given for the recall is a problem with the amounts of zinc and potassium. Apparently too much zinc leads to copper deficiency and anemia, although this is not particularly common in cats. I started reading about this condition literally a few hours before Denzel died, because one of the symptoms of copper deficiency in black cats (he originally was solid black) is that their fur turns rust colored - by that time Denzel was almost looking like a tortie! I didn't follow up with the vet about what I'd been reading because all the docs who were treating Denzel were pretty sure his anemia had to be from hemobart. (Nothing was detected under the microscope, but I understand that's fairly common.) I'm definitely feeling guilty because I actually got him some of the Nutro soft food when he started to get sick that last time, because I liked the ingredient list. Logically I know that a couple of pouches wouldn't cause the whole problem, but now I wonder if some of his other food may have had a similar problem, or if he got ahold of one of the zinc pills my mom and I were both taking for cold season. Anyway, my reason for posting this is to let others fighting the dreaded anemia know that this is something to check with your vets about; maybe copper supplementation can help prolong some kitties' lives. (But do not supplement without a vet's guidance! Cats only need a trace amount of copper!) -Emily (I know, I read too much for my own good!) Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Zinc and anemia
Emily, Thanks for posting this. Stevie Ray is a tuxedo and recently his black has taken on a rust tinge but not in the normal sun-kissed way that black cats will turn red. Otherwise he has been healthy. I will definitely get him to the vet for tests. I wouldn't have known that this might be a problem without you sharing your knowledge. Please don't feel guilty about what you fed Denzel. We can only do the best we can with the knowledge we have at the time (and it sounds like what you fed wasn't the culprit anyway). Denzel was loved and everything you did was based on that fact. Amy --- On Sat, 5/23/09, Emily Hunter emilyofw...@aol.com wrote: From: Emily Hunter emilyofw...@aol.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Zinc and anemia To: Felv Talk List felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 3:40 AM Since anemia can be a persistent and deadly problem for felv+ cats, the recent recall of some of the Nutro foods is disturbing to me. The reason given for the recall is a problem with the amounts of zinc and potassium. Apparently too much zinc leads to copper deficiency and anemia, although this is not particularly common in cats. I started reading about this condition literally a few hours before Denzel died, because one of the symptoms of copper deficiency in black cats (he originally was solid black) is that their fur turns rust colored - by that time Denzel was almost looking like a tortie! I didn't follow up with the vet about what I'd been reading because all the docs who were treating Denzel were pretty sure his anemia had to be from hemobart. (Nothing was detected under the microscope, but I understand that's fairly common.) I'm definitely feeling guilty because I actually got him some of the Nutro soft food when he started to get sick that last time, because I liked the ingredient list. Logically I know that a couple of pouches wouldn't cause the whole problem, but now I wonder if some of his other food may have had a similar problem, or if he got ahold of one of the zinc pills my mom and I were both taking for cold season. Anyway, my reason for posting this is to let others fighting the dreaded anemia know that this is something to check with your vets about; maybe copper supplementation can help prolong some kitties' lives. (But do not supplement without a vet's guidance! Cats only need a trace amount of copper!) -Emily (I know, I read too much for my own good!) Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT
In human medicine (I would have to research veterinary but they generally follow human trends) herpes virus is better treated with something like ganciclovir or acyclovir. Jenny catatonya catato...@yahoo.com wrote: Do you think AZT could be used for cats with the herpes virus? tonya jb...@tds.net wrote: Graca, Hello. I responded to your email earlier but had some problems with my email and am not sure if you received it. This is basically what I said. If you get two emails for this sorry. AZT is an antiviral used in human medicine to treat HIV. It is generally used in combination with other antivirals. Unfortunately, these combinations of antivirals have not been found to be effective against felv in cats. At least there are no good studies to support that. AZT is often not used or stopped in people because it often causes anemia and bone marrow toxicity. This is a very widely known side effect of AZT. For this reason, I would listen to the vet that suggests stopping the AZT. Since anemia can be a common symptom of felv and your cat is experiencing it. It is either because of progression of the felv disease or a side effect of the drugs. If it is the drug, stop giving it and the anemia should improve (this can be monitored by looking at the blood for reticulocytes - which are like baby red blood cells and indicate that the bone marrow is trying to fix the anemia - this is a good sign). If it is the felv disease progressing than the AZT is not really helping you anyway and there isn't much reason to continue giving it. If you want to continue to treat the felv virus, there is a lot of buzz about something called Imulan. It is the first FDA approved drug for the treatment of felv/fiv in the United States. You may want to ask your vet about this possibility. It may be beneficial to stop your current meds and try this. I don't know. It would be trial and error. Keep in mind that anemia and bone marrow suppression in a felv positive cat is a poor prognostic sign. In general, if it were me, I would stop the AZT and watch for improvement of the anemia. I may add Imulan (I have no experience with this drug yet), would consider a blood transfusion, from an immunized cat, if the anemia is significant enough and transfer factor if there is GI upset. Hope this helps. Jenny Graca Azevedo wrote: Dear All, I was so upset with my sick cat that I did not introduce myself as new to list a few days ago. I do apologize. I am writing from Brazil, have two rescued cats. One of them is Felv+. He has been treated on AZT and interferon for 2 years and half. The virus reached his bone marrow and he has anemia. Two vets have examined him. One said that I should stop with the AZT and the other advised to continue. I failed to find on the mail archives any report on cats being treated with AZT. I would be most grateful to hear what any of you have to say. Regards, Graça Azevedo Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT
Acyclovir is used in cats as well, though not everyday like Lysine is. On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:38 AM, jb...@tds.net wrote: In human medicine (I would have to research veterinary but they generally follow human trends) herpes virus is better treated with something like ganciclovir or acyclovir. Jenny catatonya catato...@yahoo.com wrote: Do you think AZT could be used for cats with the herpes virus? tonya jb...@tds.net wrote: Graca, Hello. I responded to your email earlier but had some problems with my email and am not sure if you received it. This is basically what I said. If you get two emails for this sorry. AZT is an antiviral used in human medicine to treat HIV. It is generally used in combination with other antivirals. Unfortunately, these combinations of antivirals have not been found to be effective against felv in cats. At least there are no good studies to support that. AZT is often not used or stopped in people because it often causes anemia and bone marrow toxicity. This is a very widely known side effect of AZT. For this reason, I would listen to the vet that suggests stopping the AZT. Since anemia can be a common symptom of felv and your cat is experiencing it. It is either because of progression of the felv disease or a side effect of the drugs. If it is the drug, stop giving it and the anemia should improve (this can be monitored by looking at the blood for reticulocytes - which are like baby red blood cells and indicate that the bone marrow is trying to fix the anemia - this is a good sign). If it is the felv disease progressing than the AZT is not really helping you anyway and there isn't much reason to continue giving it. If you want to continue to treat the felv virus, there is a lot of buzz about something called Imulan. It is the first FDA approved drug for the treatment of felv/fiv in the United States. You may want to ask your vet about this possibility. It may be beneficial to stop your current meds and try this. I don't know. It would be trial and error. Keep in mind that anemia and bone marrow suppression in a felv positive cat is a poor prognostic sign. In general, if it were me, I would stop the AZT and watch for improvement of the anemia. I may add Imulan (I have no experience with this drug yet), would consider a blood transfusion, from an immunized cat, if the anemia is significant enough and transfer factor if there is GI upset. Hope this helps. Jenny Graca Azevedo wrote: Dear All, I was so upset with my sick cat that I did not introduce myself as new to list a few days ago. I do apologize. I am writing from Brazil, have two rescued cats. One of them is Felv+. He has been treated on AZT and interferon for 2 years and half. The virus reached his bone marrow and he has anemia. Two vets have examined him. One said that I should stop with the AZT and the other advised to continue. I failed to find on the mail archives any report on cats being treated with AZT. I would be most grateful to hear what any of you have to say. Regards, Graça Azevedo Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT
Contact me on the treatment of your felines. Send me an email at the following address. griff...@frognet.net I have no charge for my services for FeLV kitties. I just hold out great hope for the animals that I save. Karen - Original Message - From: Graca Azevedo mg4...@yahoo.com.br To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:13 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT Dear All, I was so upset with my sick cat that I did not introduce myself as new to list a few days ago. I do apologize. I am writing from Brazil, have two rescued cats. One of them is Felv+. He has been treated on AZT and interferon for 2 years and half. The virus reached his bone marrow and he has anemia. Two vets have examined him. One said that I should stop with the AZT and the other advised to continue. I failed to find on the mail archives any report on cats being treated with AZT. I would be most grateful to hear what any of you have to say. Regards, Graça Azevedo Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT
Reply to me at my personal email at griff...@frognet.net I will give you the most conclusive evidence currrently available to the public. - Original Message - From: Graca Azevedo mg4...@yahoo.com.br To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:13 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT Dear All, I was so upset with my sick cat that I did not introduce myself as new to list a few days ago. I do apologize. I am writing from Brazil, have two rescued cats. One of them is Felv+. He has been treated on AZT and interferon for 2 years and half. The virus reached his bone marrow and he has anemia. Two vets have examined him. One said that I should stop with the AZT and the other advised to continue. I failed to find on the mail archives any report on cats being treated with AZT. I would be most grateful to hear what any of you have to say. Regards, Graça Azevedo Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT
Do you think AZT could be used for cats with the herpes virus? tonya jb...@tds.net wrote: Graca, Hello. I responded to your email earlier but had some problems with my email and am not sure if you received it. This is basically what I said. If you get two emails for this sorry. AZT is an antiviral used in human medicine to treat HIV. It is generally used in combination with other antivirals. Unfortunately, these combinations of antivirals have not been found to be effective against felv in cats. At least there are no good studies to support that. AZT is often not used or stopped in people because it often causes anemia and bone marrow toxicity. This is a very widely known side effect of AZT. For this reason, I would listen to the vet that suggests stopping the AZT. Since anemia can be a common symptom of felv and your cat is experiencing it. It is either because of progression of the felv disease or a side effect of the drugs. If it is the drug, stop giving it and the anemia should improve (this can be monitored by looking at the blood for reticulocytes - which are like baby red blood cells and indicate that the bone marrow is trying to fix the anemia - this is a good sign). If it is the felv disease progressing than the AZT is not really helping you anyway and there isn't much reason to continue giving it. If you want to continue to treat the felv virus, there is a lot of buzz about something called Imulan. It is the first FDA approved drug for the treatment of felv/fiv in the United States. You may want to ask your vet about this possibility. It may be beneficial to stop your current meds and try this. I don't know. It would be trial and error. Keep in mind that anemia and bone marrow suppression in a felv positive cat is a poor prognostic sign. In general, if it were me, I would stop the AZT and watch for improvement of the anemia. I may add Imulan (I have no experience with this drug yet), would consider a blood transfusion, from an immunized cat, if the anemia is significant enough and transfer factor if there is GI upset. Hope this helps. Jenny Graca Azevedo wrote: Dear All, I was so upset with my sick cat that I did not introduce myself as new to list a few days ago. I do apologize. I am writing from Brazil, have two rescued cats. One of them is Felv+. He has been treated on AZT and interferon for 2 years and half. The virus reached his bone marrow and he has anemia. Two vets have examined him. One said that I should stop with the AZT and the other advised to continue. I failed to find on the mail archives any report on cats being treated with AZT. I would be most grateful to hear what any of you have to say. Regards, Graça Azevedo Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia
Yes, the Hi Vites were recommended by our Vet for our anemic cat, which we give twice daily along with all his other meds. Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:26:27 -0500 From: furrygi...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia Hi Vite drops are a good iron supplement, available at most vets I think not particularly expensive. It does have other vitamins/minerals in it, so good to check the ingredient list if your cat is high in any areas that need to be watched/ingredients avoided. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: Some have used childrens liquid viatmins with iron. You may have to consult your vet about dosage. Just a thought. Sally Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT
The leukemia has reach the bone marrow of our cat Gray Kitty as well. We were told in November by the University of California Davis that he had weeks to live. He is still fighting to live. We have him on Interferon, LTCI Injections weekly, high doses of Steroids as well. Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:13:39 -0800 From: mg4...@yahoo.com.br To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT Dear All, I was so upset with my sick cat that I did not introduce myself as new to list a few days ago. I do apologize. I am writing from Brazil, have two rescued cats. One of them is Felv+. He has been treated on AZT and interferon for 2 years and half. The virus reached his bone marrow and he has anemia. Two vets have examined him. One said that I should stop with the AZT and the other advised to continue. I failed to find on the mail archives any report on cats being treated with AZT. I would be most grateful to hear what any of you have to say. Regards, Graça Azevedo Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Anemia and copper?
Given the recent discussions about anemia and treatment, I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with abnormal copper levels inducing anemia? From what I've read, both too much and too little copper absorbed by the cat can lead to anemia. Copper deficiency on it's own is supposed to be rare in cats, but it can be caused by too much calcium or zinc. I only started researching this the day before Denzel died, mostly because I read somewhere that copper deficiency can also cause black fur to turn rust colored. Denzel was a black cat, but by the time he passed away, he was almost looking like a tortie in patches. Of course, I read somewhere else that maybe the anemia itself can also cause this. I never got the chance to ask my vet, but maybe this might be something else for some of y'all battling anemia now to look into. But I would definitely ask a vet before trying to supplement copper, because cats really only need a tiny amount of it in their diets and too much can also lead to anemia, apparently. -Emily Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Anemia AZT
Dear All, I was so upset with my sick cat that I did not introduce myself as new to list a few days ago. I do apologize. I am writing from Brazil, have two rescued cats. One of them is Felv+. He has been treated on AZT and interferon for 2 years and half. The virus reached his bone marrow and he has anemia. Two vets have examined him. One said that I should stop with the AZT and the other advised to continue. I failed to find on the mail archives any report on cats being treated with AZT. I would be most grateful to hear what any of you have to say. Regards, Graça Azevedo Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT
Hi Graca You may want to join the FIV healthscience group on yahoo. They have a file folder regarding the use of AZT in FELV and FIV cats. Here is the link to the group. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/fiv-healthscience You will have to write an into to the group moderator. You do not have to have an FIV cat to join, just say I referred you if you want. Sally On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Graca Azevedo mg4...@yahoo.com.br wrote: Dear All, I was so upset with my sick cat that I did not introduce myself as new to list a few days ago. I do apologize. I am writing from Brazil, have two rescued cats. One of them is Felv+. He has been treated on AZT and interferon for 2 years and half. The virus reached his bone marrow and he has anemia. Two vets have examined him. One said that I should stop with the AZT and the other advised to continue. I failed to find on the mail archives any report on cats being treated with AZT. I would be most grateful to hear what any of you have to say. Regards, Graça Azevedo Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT
Hi Graca, I'm so glad you've found this list. I've never used AZT, only interferon alpha. I've used it daily, but others use it 3 days on/ 3 off, or 7 days on/ 7 off.I don't know the cause for anemia, but as I understand, a positive cat typically has the virus in the bone marrow, and then other problems may (or may not) develop, such as anemia. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. In general, the virus causes a lowering of the immune system, and FELV cats are predisposed to various types of illnesses, such as lymphoma, etc. There are different types of the FELV virus, also, and some geographic regions has more of one type than another. I presently have 5 FELV cats, and had several before who are now Angel Cats. Several of the ones that I've had, that died, had lymphoma (there are different varieties of that). We all know what it feels like to deal with this, so you'll find a lot of information and support here. Gloria On Jan 21, 2009, at 11:13 AM, Graca Azevedo wrote: Dear All, I was so upset with my sick cat that I did not introduce myself as new to list a few days ago. I do apologize. I am writing from Brazil, have two rescued cats. One of them is Felv+. He has been treated on AZT and interferon for 2 years and half. The virus reached his bone marrow and he has anemia. Two vets have examined him. One said that I should stop with the AZT and the other advised to continue. I failed to find on the mail archives any report on cats being treated with AZT. I would be most grateful to hear what any of you have to say. Regards, Graça Azevedo Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT
Graca, Hello. I responded to your email earlier but had some problems with my email and am not sure if you received it. This is basically what I said. If you get two emails for this sorry. AZT is an antiviral used in human medicine to treat HIV. It is generally used in combination with other antivirals. Unfortunately, these combinations of antivirals have not been found to be effective against felv in cats. At least there are no good studies to support that. AZT is often not used or stopped in people because it often causes anemia and bone marrow toxicity. This is a very widely known side effect of AZT. For this reason, I would listen to the vet that suggests stopping the AZT. Since anemia can be a common symptom of felv and your cat is experiencing it. It is either because of progression of the felv disease or a side effect of the drugs. If it is the drug, stop giving it and the anemia should improve (this can be monitored by looking at the blood for reticulocytes - which are like baby red blood cells and indicate that the bone marrow is trying to fix the anemia - this is a good sign). If it is the felv disease progressing than the AZT is not really helping you anyway and there isn't much reason to continue giving it. If you want to continue to treat the felv virus, there is a lot of buzz about something called Imulan. It is the first FDA approved drug for the treatment of felv/fiv in the United States. You may want to ask your vet about this possibility. It may be beneficial to stop your current meds and try this. I don't know. It would be trial and error. Keep in mind that anemia and bone marrow suppression in a felv positive cat is a poor prognostic sign. In general, if it were me, I would stop the AZT and watch for improvement of the anemia. I may add Imulan (I have no experience with this drug yet), would consider a blood transfusion, from an immunized cat, if the anemia is significant enough and transfer factor if there is GI upset. Hope this helps. Jenny Graca Azevedo mg4...@yahoo.com.br wrote: Dear All, I was so upset with my sick cat that I did not introduce myself as new to list a few days ago. I do apologize. I am writing from Brazil, have two rescued cats. One of them is Felv+. He has been treated on AZT and interferon for 2 years and half. The virus reached his bone marrow and he has anemia. Two vets have examined him. One said that I should stop with the AZT and the other advised to continue. I failed to find on the mail archives any report on cats being treated with AZT. I would be most grateful to hear what any of you have to say. Regards, Graça Azevedo Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia
Hi Vite drops are a good iron supplement, available at most vets I think not particularly expensive. It does have other vitamins/minerals in it, so good to check the ingredient list if your cat is high in any areas that need to be watched/ingredients avoided. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: Some have used childrens liquid viatmins with iron. You may have to consult your vet about dosage. Just a thought. Sally Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Anemia
Sally, My cat Didico has lived in an apartment on the 6th floor for the last 5 years. He was rescued on the street when he was about 3 months. He may have encountered the flea then and hosted the parasito for all this time. I understood that prednisone fights the anemia, even he does not have hemobartenella. After hearing you, I started to believe that there is hope for him. Thank you. Graça Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia
Graca You are welcome, This particular parasite never goes away he could have had it a long time abd stress could bring it on. it sounds like you are on the right road. Is Didico getting any iron supplements? Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia
Sally, Not yet. The pet shop that oppened this morning did not have the medication containing vitamins and supplements (Metacell) the Vet indicated last night. I will check a pet shop in the mall after 3pm this afternoon. If they do not have, I will have to await until tomorrow. I managed to give him Hills A/D, what he initially did not want but he is liking now. Any suggestion of the active principle of a medication containing iron? Please forgive me for my poor English. Thanks so much for helping Didico and me. Graça Azevedo --- Em dom, 18/1/09, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com escreveu: De: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com Assunto: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia Para: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Data: Domingo, 18 de Janeiro de 2009, 12:22 Graca You are welcome, This particular parasite never goes away he could have had it a long time abd stress could bring it on. it sounds like you are on the right road. Is Didico getting any iron supplements? Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia
Some have used childrens liquid viatmins with iron. You may have to consult your vet about dosage. Just a thought. Sally Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia
Thank you for all your help, Sally. And health for your and your family. Graça Azevedo --- Em dom, 18/1/09, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com escreveu: De: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com Assunto: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia Para: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Data: Domingo, 18 de Janeiro de 2009, 17:48 Some have used childrens liquid viatmins with iron. You may have to consult your vet about dosage. Just a thought. Sally Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia
Your are welcome..Good luck Sally On 1/18/09, Graca Azevedo mg4...@yahoo.com.br wrote: Thank you for all your help, Sally. And health for your and your family. Graça Azevedo --- Em dom, 18/1/09, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com escreveu: De: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com Assunto: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia Para: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Data: Domingo, 18 de Janeiro de 2009, 17:48 Some have used childrens liquid viatmins with iron. You may have to consult your vet about dosage. Just a thought. Sally Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Anemia
Hi everybody, I hope all of you are as fine as it can be. I am writing from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. My five years old cat has been treated on AZT and interferon for 2 years and half. Tonight I heard that he has lymphoid leukemia. I have been given him the best cat food sold in Brazil: Hills. And I just started to give him Hills for kitten and Hills A/D. And as soon as I find an opened pet shop, he will start on Metacel (a medication for anemia). The vet suggested blood transfer when hematocrit reaches 12,0 (now is 13,05). I wouldn't like to put him through such pain. I would like very much to hear about your experience and opinion. kind regards, Graça Azevedo Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia
HI Graca I do not know what tests have been done. It is possible your cat has hemobartenella, which often causes amemia in feline leukemia infected cats. They often test negative for this and you should just treat as if the cat has it. Normal treatment is 3 weeks of doxycycline and prednisone. If a transfusion is needed until treatment starts to be effective then I would advise the transfusion. My cat was treated for this in the beginning and was not anemic after that. Of course he had his share of other problems. Best of luck Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia
Sally, Thank you very much for sharing your experience. Maybe my cat got hemobartenella when I took him out of the house for two ultrassonagraphies last month. He does not like going out. Today he had a blood test and a radiography. I will talk to my vet about the prescription of doxycline and prednisone. All the best. Graça Azevedo --- Em sáb, 17/1/09, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com escreveu: De: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com Assunto: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia Para: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Data: Sábado, 17 de Janeiro de 2009, 23:16 HI Graca I do not know what tests have been done. It is possible your cat has hemobartenella, which often causes amemia in feline leukemia infected cats. They often test negative for this and you should just treat as if the cat has it. Normal treatment is 3 weeks of doxycycline and prednisone. If a transfusion is needed until treatment starts to be effective then I would advise the transfusion. My cat was treated for this in the beginning and was not anemic after that. Of course he had his share of other problems. Best of luck Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia
Sally, Thank you very much for sharing your experience. Maybe my cat got hemobartenella when I took him out of the house for two ultrassonagraphies last month. He does not like going out. Today he had a blood test and a radiography. I will talk to my vet about the prescription of doxycline and prednisone. All the best. Graça Azevedo --- Em sáb, 17/1/09, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com escreveu: De: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com Assunto: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia Para: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Data: Sábado, 17 de Janeiro de 2009, 23:16 HI Graca I do not know what tests have been done. It is possible your cat has hemobartenella, which often causes amemia in feline leukemia infected cats. They often test negative for this and you should just treat as if the cat has it. Normal treatment is 3 weeks of doxycycline and prednisone. If a transfusion is needed until treatment starts to be effective then I would advise the transfusion. My cat was treated for this in the beginning and was not anemic after that. Of course he had his share of other problems. Best of luck Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia
Hemobartenella, comes from a flea bite. Cats with feline leukemia are particularliy succeptible. Here is a link explaining http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AA=1692S=1SourceID=42 Hope kitty feels better soon. Sally On 1/17/09, Graca Azevedo mg4...@yahoo.com.br wrote: Sally, Thank you very much for sharing your experience. Maybe my cat got hemobartenella when I took him out of the house for two ultrassonagraphies last month. He does not like going out. Today he had a blood test and a radiography. I will talk to my vet about the prescription of doxycline and prednisone. All the best. Graça Azevedo --- Em sáb, 17/1/09, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com escreveu: De: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com Assunto: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia Para: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Data: Sábado, 17 de Janeiro de 2009, 23:16 HI Graca I do not know what tests have been done. It is possible your cat has hemobartenella, which often causes amemia in feline leukemia infected cats. They often test negative for this and you should just treat as if the cat has it. Normal treatment is 3 weeks of doxycycline and prednisone. If a transfusion is needed until treatment starts to be effective then I would advise the transfusion. My cat was treated for this in the beginning and was not anemic after that. Of course he had his share of other problems. Best of luck Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy still has hemolytic anemia
Sue, here is a link for a good overview of IMHA. http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_imha.html Hope it helps explain things. Sharyl On Oct 28, 2008, at 8:02 PM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: Jane, Thank you for your help. Buzz is not doing too badly, we caught it when his blood levels were in the twenties this time. Last time he was down to eight. We have been testing his blood every other week and I purchased a pet scale to monitor his weight more closely. I guess it is Leukeran that he will be on. That is what the pharmacies had. The Chlorambucil must be the generic. Dr. Tom gives me the name of the medication and the dosage and lets me call around to the pharmacies to find the best price. For 15 2mg tablets of Leuctra the price ranged from $49.44 to $77.99. Do you know if they can ever go off of the Leukeran once they are on it? Is hemolytic anemia something they can beat for good or will it keep coming back? Thanks again for your help, Sue - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy still has hemolytic anemia Sue I talked with Hideyo (former list member) who said that she has heard of people who have had good results with Leukeran. She also said to caution you to be patient when going back on the full strength Predinisole. It sometimes does not work right away. Something is wrong with her computer but if she gets up and running I'll try to connect you. Hope Buzz is having a good day. Jane On Oct 28, 2008, at 7:43 AM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: Would it be better for him to just stay on the Prednesolone? I have heard that also has side effects, though. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leukeran is a chemotherapy drug. The problems we had with Leukeran was that it helped his anemia, but brought his immune system down so low that he got some sort of opportunistic infection. AIHA is not a good diagnosis. On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Sue Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vet told me that the Chlorambucil is the generic for Leukeran (or vise versa). Is it a type of chemo? Dr. Tom says it is not in his marrow. - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy still has hemolytic anemia I lost a cat to AIHA last year. If you do a search, Hideyo had some suggestions. We did not use Chlorambucil, we used Leukeran. On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Sue Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My Buzz had anemia back in July and because of the advise of this group and my vet who is very proactive his life was saved. We have been slowly weaning him off of the Prednisolone for the past several months. He was down to 1/2 of a 5mg tablet one time a day. Unfortunately his red blood cell count began to drop again. He is back to his full dose of Prednisolone - 30mg / day. We will wait until the red blood cell count stabilizes and then begin the weaning process again. This time he will also be on Chlorambucil. Does anyone have any experience with this drug or have any other suggestions that may help Buzz? I have an excellent vet who is very open to suggestions and will research any possibilities thoroughly. Buzzy is the love of my life. He snuggles up with me every single night. I know the people in this group understand more then anyone else what this is like. Thank you, Sue and Buzzy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with the Friday Night Lights' kittens medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/the-friday-night-lights-kittens Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy still has hemolytic anemia
Jane, Your bliss therapy does not sound nuts at all! When Buzz was so sick in the summer time I used to take him out on my deck and give him Reiki treatments. Then I would just pet him and love him. I am SURE that is part of what helped him so much at that time. Unfortunately the deck is not such a pleasant place right now. He probably would not have been able to relax if we were sitting out there in the middle of the sleet/rain/snow and wind storm we had last night. I'm glad MeMe was able to be so happy after being so abused. I just can't believe what some people will do.Buzzy was abused by some inner city Cleveland gangs before my brothers wife saved him. He is still a very nervous cat. The only times he will completely relax and purr are out on the deck and in bed at night. Every time I pass him I reach down and give him a caress which he seems to enjoy, but he really dislikes being held. I will look forward to hearing from Hideyo. Thank you for all your help. Sue Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sue I can ask Hideyo ...hopefully I can get an answer for you tomorrow. I hope it is something that can be put into remission, but I am not sure. I know how much you care for Buzz and I am sure that he knows that ... a great immune system booster. When Me Me was in the throes of fighting a terrible upper respiratory, we used to do 15 minute intervals of bliss therapy throughout the day. She loved being combed and she would roll and around and purr deeply almost vibrate. I know this sounds nuts, but I am sure the sheer pleasure of being loved and cared for (she had been thrown from a car window onto the porch of a 'shelter' as a kitten) helped her immune system. We do everything we can to help them fight this virus. We know that ultimately they are on their own path, and that they will let us know when they want to let go. Hopefully Hideyo will be able to answer your questions. Give Buzz a buzz from us. Jane On Oct 28, 2008, at 8:02 PM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: Jane, Thank you for your help. Buzz is not doing too badly, we caught it when his blood levels were in the twenties this time. Last time he was down to eight. We have been testing his blood every other week and I purchased a pet scale to monitor his weight more closely. I guess it is Leukeran that he will be on. That is what the pharmacies had. The Chlorambucil must be the generic. Dr. Tom gives me the name of the medication and the dosage and lets me call around to the pharmacies to find the best price. For 15 2mg tablets of Leuctra the price ranged from $49.44 to $77.99. Do you know if they can ever go off of the Leukeran once they are on it? Is hemolytic anemia something they can beat for good or will it keep coming back? Thanks again for your help, Sue - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy still has hemolytic anemia Sue I talked with Hideyo (former list member) who said that she has heard of people who have had good results with Leukeran. She also said to caution you to be patient when going back on the full strength Predinisole. It sometimes does not work right away. Something is wrong with her computer but if she gets up and running I'll try to connect you. Hope Buzz is having a good day. Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy still has hemolytic anemia
question: what is reiki? since your deck isn't nice now, what about a sunny window. Buzz could lay in your lap, soak up the sun. i know what you mean about the weather. it is getting cold here in Missouri and we have the rain, sleet, snow and hail to look forwrd to. this is the hard part of the year for my cats. they want to go out and can't, even the neg ones. i don't want them getting wet and cold, just asking for problems. Homie refuses to come in, waits until she is half frozen and cannot deny that she is cold anymore. Annie is smart, you open the door, she feels one cold breeze and she backs up into her nice warm house. dorlis Sue Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jane, Your bliss therapy does not sound nuts at all! When Buzz was so sick in the summer time I used to take him out on my deck and give him Reiki treatments. Then I would just pet him and love him. I am SURE that is part of what helped him so much at that time. Unfortunately the deck is not such a pleasant place right now. He probably would not have been able to relax if we were sitting out there in the middle of the sleet/rain/snow and wind storm we had last night. I'm glad MeMe was able to be so happy after being so abused. I just can't believe what some people will do.Buzzy was abused by some inner city Cleveland gangs before my brothers wife saved him. He is still a very nervous cat. The only times he will completely relax and purr are out on the deck and in bed at night. Every time I pass him I reach down and give him a caress which he seems to enjoy, but he really dislikes being held. I will look forward to hearing from Hideyo. Thank you for all your help. Sue Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sue I can ask Hideyo ...hopefully I can get an answer for you tomorrow. I hope it is something that can be put into remission, but I am not sure. I know how much you care for Buzz and I am sure that he knows that ... a great immune system booster. When Me Me was in the throes of fighting a terrible upper respiratory, we used to do 15 minute intervals of bliss therapy throughout the day. She loved being combed and she would roll and around and purr deeply almost vibrate. I know this sounds nuts, but I am sure the sheer pleasure of being loved and cared for (she had been thrown from a car window onto the porch of a 'shelter' as a kitten) helped her immune system. We do everything we can to help them fight this virus. We know that ultimately they are on their own path, and that they will let us know when they want to let go. Hopefully Hideyo will be able to answer your questions. Give Buzz a buzz from us. Jane On Oct 28, 2008, at 8:02 PM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: Jane, Thank you for your help. Buzz is not doing too badly, we caught it when his blood levels were in the twenties this time. Last time he was down to eight. We have been testing his blood every other week and I purchased a pet scale to monitor his weight more closely. I guess it is Leukeran that he will be on. That is what the pharmacies had. The Chlorambucil must be the generic. Dr. Tom gives me the name of the medication and the dosage and lets me call around to the pharmacies to find the best price. For 15 2mg tablets of Leuctra the price ranged from $49.44 to $77.99. Do you know if they can ever go off of the Leukeran once they are on it? Is hemolytic anemia something they can beat for good or will it keep coming back? Thanks again for your help, Sue - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy still has hemolytic anemia Sue I talked with Hideyo (former list member) who said that she has heard of people who have had good results with Leukeran. She also said to caution you to be patient when going back on the full strength Predinisole. It sometimes does not work right away. Something is wrong with her computer but if she gets up and running I'll try to connect you. Hope Buzz is having a good day. Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy still has hemolytic anemia
Hi Sue, I am sorry to hear that Buzz has to go back on the Prednisolone. I wish I could help you out with the new drug, but this is the first time I've ever heard about it. Please keep us posted on his progress. I hope his rbc goes up soon! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Sue Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 6:22:43 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzzy still has hemolytic anemia My Buzz had anemia back in July and because of the advise of this group and my vet who is very proactive his life was saved. We have been slowly weaning him off of the Prednisolone for the past several months. He was down to 1/2 of a 5mg tablet one time a day. Unfortunately his red blood cell count began to drop again. He is back to his full dose of Prednisolone - 30mg / day. We will wait until the red blood cell count stabilizes and then begin the weaning process again. This time he will also be on Chlorambucil. Does anyone have any experience with this drug or have any other suggestions that may help Buzz? I have an excellent vet who is very open to suggestions and will research any possibilities thoroughly. Buzzy is the love of my life. He snuggles up with me every single night. I know the people in this group understand more then anyone else what this is like. Thank you, Sue and Buzzy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
