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After you read about KOKO the gorilla, you will never look at them as a specis the same way again. Yes, in the wild they can be agressive but they have to be to survive with man hunting them out of existance. KOKO just proved that they can also given te chance be gentle and loving. katskat1 wrote: > Gee! Now you got me started on another topic. Speaking of Homer's > Odyssey, I recently rescued a kitten less than 5 weeks old. Eyes and > nose all gooey. Siblings either run over or died shortly after being > taken off the road. The person who rescued her called me cause she > knew I was a cat person and didn't know what to do. > > I cleaned her up and when I got the gunk off her face she had one eye > bulging and sightless and the other apparently sightless. 2 days > later (right after July 4), I took her to my vet for emergency > surgery. She had to remove both eyes because of severe infection BUT > she tested negative for FeLV. Awful young to assume I know but I had > her do the test anyway. A couple days ago I took her in for her shots > and had her tested again. Still negative. I will have her tested one > more time when she goes in for spay. > > Her name is Koko because: 1. Koko is American Indian (Blackfoot) > word for 'night' which she will always be in. 2. Koko was the name > of the first gorilla taught American Sign Language for the blind and > had a huge vocabulary. 3. Koko used her vocabulary to convince her > humans she wanted a kitten. A REAL kitten. She got one, and she > loved it and other kittens she adopted over the years. COOL? > > Koko is the bravest, most ornery, energetic kitty I remember having. > She has memorized the house, attacks the dogs and other cats from > hiding places, plays with the cats, plays with the dogs, (who seem to > realize she can't see and play gently), jumps off high places once she > has gotten familiar with them (my bed, the back of the couch), and is > having a blast with life. I doubt she has ever been able to see cause > she was dumped while so young. Next month she gets spayed and has an > umbilical hernia repaired then, I am hers and she is mine forever! > > I gotta get/read that book. > > kat > ^ ^ > = " " = > > > > > On 8/24/11, Lorrie wrote: > > On 08-24, Natalie wrote: > >>Welcome to 70 - I'll be 71 in December! Great age, isn't it? > >> > > It's great to know quite a few of you are in your 60's or 70's. > > Now I don't feel quite so bad being 78. > > > > Lorrie > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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When Homey's bladder infections come back, my vet has an antbiotic shot that lasts for 2 weeks. It usually clears things up. I also use a chinese herbal pill from Only Natural Pets. It is great, small, round so easy to give her. Now I will have to add the acidophiolus and yogurt too. Natalie wrote: > All you have to do when administering antibiotics is to use probiotics mixed > into their food. Just plain acidophiolus, will do, too. And if the cats > happen to like yogurt, even better - but make sure you get real yogurt with > real acidophilus, not some fake sweetended yogurt. > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Noren > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:34 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt > > Hi Marcia, > I know popular opinion is to limit antibiotic use, because it can kill > the good bacteria in the gut, but in my limited experience I prefer to > leave immune-compromised kitties on it longer. I had one little FeLV > pos kitten with a URI that had a 10 day regimen of Clavamox. She was > vaccinated a few days later, as she seemed to have cleared the URI. > Big mistake, I didn't know any better. The URI was not cleared, just > masked by the antibiotic, it came back, lost her to FIP a couple of > weeks later. When her positive brother started getting sick soon > after, he got prednisolone twice for fever and was on clavamox for > months (5, 6?) just in case. He never had any bowel problems from it. > My vet finally said she couldn't in good conscious keep prescribing > it for such a healthy cat. Had I left his sister on it (and not > vaccinated so young) I feel her immune system may have been less > exhausted and better able to fight the corona virus that turned into > FIP and killed her. > > Best wishes, > Beth > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Marcia Baronda > wrote: > > Terri > ...He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that > > indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. > What > > are you opinions?? > > > > Take care everyone > > Marcia > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats.it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of money..she brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what else..she was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 4:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt my vet vaccinated fletch when he was neutered...which i don't ever let anyone do, because i figure surery is gonna lower their immune systems...not a good time to vaccinate. but I was suprised when I saw on my bill that he had been vacd for felv...which i did not ask for. let me tell you, that cat attacked all my other cats and was so mad for 2 or 3 weeks. It turned this whole house upside down. i have never experienced anything like that in all my years of having cats. Then i was reading in Dr Pitcairn and also Dr. halmiltons books about that very same thing happening to cats after being vaccinated. i was suprised to see it in words!! It was just weird. Anyone else have this happen? marcia On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Beth wrote: I don't vaccinate FeLV kitties. My 1st 2 FeLV girls died right after being vaccinated & I've heard of that happening from other people, too. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Error! Filename not specified. www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/> _ From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt All you have to do when administering antibiotics is to use probiotics mixed into their food. Just plain acidophiolus, will do, too. And if the cats happen to like yogurt, even better - but make sure you get real yogurt with real acidophilus, not some fake sweetended yogurt. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Noren Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Hi Marcia, I know popular opinion is to limit antibiotic use, because it can kill the good bacteria in the gut, but in my limited experience I prefer to leave immune-compromised kitties on it longer. I had one little FeLV pos kitten with a URI that had a 10 day regimen of Clavamox. She was vaccinated a few days later, as she seemed to have cleared the URI. Big mistake, I didn't know any better. The URI was not cleared, just masked by the antibiotic, it came back, lost her to FIP a couple of weeks later. When her positive brother started getting sick soon after, he got prednisolone twice for fever and was on clavamox for months (5, 6?) just in case. He never had any bowel problems from it. My vet finally said she couldn't in good conscious keep prescribing it for such a healthy cat. Had I left his sister on it (and not vaccinated so young) I feel her immune system may have been less exhausted and better able to fight the corona virus that turned into FIP and killed her. Best wishes, Beth On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote: > Terri ...He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that > indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What > are you opinions?? > > Take care everyone > Marcia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies & Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 " I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do." Don Hamilton DVM ___ Felvtalk m
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
my vet vaccinated fletch when he was neutered...which i don't ever let anyone do, because i figure surery is gonna lower their immune systems...not a good time to vaccinate. but I was suprised when I saw on my bill that he had been vacd for felv...which i did not ask for. let me tell you, that cat attacked all my other cats and was so mad for 2 or 3 weeks. It turned this whole house upside down. i have never experienced anything like that in all my years of having cats. Then i was reading in Dr Pitcairn and also Dr. halmiltons books about that very same thing happening to cats after being vaccinated. i was suprised to see it in words!! It was just weird. Anyone else have this happen? marcia On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Beth wrote: > I don't vaccinate FeLV kitties. My 1st 2 FeLV girls died right after > being vaccinated & I've heard of that happening from other people, too. > > Beth > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/> > > > -- > *From:* Natalie > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2011 9:58 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt > > All you have to do when administering antibiotics is to use probiotics > mixed > into their food. Just plain acidophiolus, will do, too. And if the cats > happen to like yogurt, even better - but make sure you get real yogurt with > real acidophilus, not some fake sweetended yogurt. > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Noren > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:34 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt > > Hi Marcia, > I know popular opinion is to limit antibiotic use, because it can kill > the good bacteria in the gut, but in my limited experience I prefer to > leave immune-compromised kitties on it longer. I had one little FeLV > pos kitten with a URI that had a 10 day regimen of Clavamox. She was > vaccinated a few days later, as she seemed to have cleared the URI. > Big mistake, I didn't know any better. The URI was not cleared, just > masked by the antibiotic, it came back, lost her to FIP a couple of > weeks later. When her positive brother started getting sick soon > after, he got prednisolone twice for fever and was on clavamox for > months (5, 6?) just in case. He never had any bowel problems from it. > My vet finally said she couldn't in good conscious keep prescribing > it for such a healthy cat. Had I left his sister on it (and not > vaccinated so young) I feel her immune system may have been less > exhausted and better able to fight the corona virus that turned into > FIP and killed her. > > Best wishes, > Beth > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Marcia Baronda > wrote: > > Terri > ...He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that > > indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. > What > > are you opinions?? > > > > Take care everyone > > Marcia > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies & Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** **" *I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do." Don Hamilton DVM* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I don't vaccinate FeLV kitties. My 1st 2 FeLV girls died right after being vaccinated & I've heard of that happening from other people, too. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt All you have to do when administering antibiotics is to use probiotics mixed into their food. Just plain acidophiolus, will do, too. And if the cats happen to like yogurt, even better - but make sure you get real yogurt with real acidophilus, not some fake sweetended yogurt. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Noren Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Hi Marcia, I know popular opinion is to limit antibiotic use, because it can kill the good bacteria in the gut, but in my limited experience I prefer to leave immune-compromised kitties on it longer. I had one little FeLV pos kitten with a URI that had a 10 day regimen of Clavamox. She was vaccinated a few days later, as she seemed to have cleared the URI. Big mistake, I didn't know any better. The URI was not cleared, just masked by the antibiotic, it came back, lost her to FIP a couple of weeks later. When her positive brother started getting sick soon after, he got prednisolone twice for fever and was on clavamox for months (5, 6?) just in case. He never had any bowel problems from it. My vet finally said she couldn't in good conscious keep prescribing it for such a healthy cat. Had I left his sister on it (and not vaccinated so young) I feel her immune system may have been less exhausted and better able to fight the corona virus that turned into FIP and killed her. Best wishes, Beth On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote: > Terri ...He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that > indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What > are you opinions?? > > Take care everyone > Marcia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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All you have to do when administering antibiotics is to use probiotics mixed into their food. Just plain acidophiolus, will do, too. And if the cats happen to like yogurt, even better - but make sure you get real yogurt with real acidophilus, not some fake sweetended yogurt. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Noren Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Hi Marcia, I know popular opinion is to limit antibiotic use, because it can kill the good bacteria in the gut, but in my limited experience I prefer to leave immune-compromised kitties on it longer. I had one little FeLV pos kitten with a URI that had a 10 day regimen of Clavamox. She was vaccinated a few days later, as she seemed to have cleared the URI. Big mistake, I didn't know any better. The URI was not cleared, just masked by the antibiotic, it came back, lost her to FIP a couple of weeks later. When her positive brother started getting sick soon after, he got prednisolone twice for fever and was on clavamox for months (5, 6?) just in case. He never had any bowel problems from it. My vet finally said she couldn't in good conscious keep prescribing it for such a healthy cat. Had I left his sister on it (and not vaccinated so young) I feel her immune system may have been less exhausted and better able to fight the corona virus that turned into FIP and killed her. Best wishes, Beth On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote: > Terri ...He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that > indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What > are you opinions?? > > Take care everyone > Marcia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I think it's just the panleukopenia vaccine that is grown on the kidney cells, I'll have to double check. Don't u think they would find another way? Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2011, at 12:08 AM, Beth Noren wrote: > Hi Marcia, > Glad to hear Fletch is looking better! After what I went through > with Alice (trapped at 6weeks, lost to wet FIP at 12 weeks), I'd leave > him on it for awhile even after he seems ok, just to be sure. I am on > the FIP list too, as hard as the FeLV stories are, FIP is even worse! > I only got to know Alice for 6 weeks, but I was able to enjoy her FeLV > positive brother Will Feral for 3.5 years, and at least see him grow > into adulthood. I still miss them both. > I also do vaccinations every 3 years on my adult cats, but I wait > until kittens are a little older now and do just one thing at a time, > even though it means lots more visits. And I will never again > vaccinate anyone so soon after they have "recovered" from an illness. > Guess the most important thing I've learned from these lists that > it's ok to question my vet and sometimes say "no", instead of just > blindly trusting them like I did with Alice... > I haven't had to deal with CRF yet (knock on wood). That is > interesting about the kidneys, I hadn't heard that before. I wonder > if I am stressing their kidneys out more by spreading out the > vaccines? Hmmm, all such a balancing act! I do get yearly complete > blood panels done on two of the surviving siblings of Will and Alice. > They are both FeLV neg, but have severe food/environmental allergies. > I think their immune systems just went on overdrive fighting FeLV and > could never slow down. Wish the science on all of these diseases > would move forward faster. Sigh. > > Hoping to hear of Fletch's continued improvement, > Head bumps from Beth N., Blue, Moxie, Dash, and Scooter (Alice and Will's > sibs) > > > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Marcia Baronda > wrote: >> Hi Beth >> How are you? Dr chrisler said to keep him on it for 3 weeks, and then when I >> took the others in for testing, i saw Dr metzger. We were discussing Fletch >> and she mentioned that he could stay on it indefinitely if need be. But, I >> think I'm seeing some improvement today. His coat looks much better and he >> actually trotted across the floor today(-: yes, I saw a little bounce to his >> step. Warmed my heart! >> I'm with you, i vaccinate my cats, mainly because of panleukopenia, but I >> think it definitely drops their immune system. I also had a cat die from >> FIP. I loved her so so much and it broke my heart to lose her. Her name was >> Yogi and she was a botle baby. I immediately got on the FIP list. I was on >> it for a couple years and learned a lot from them, just like i am learning a >> lot from all of you(-; >> Tjis last year my daughter lost her 15 year old cat to CRF. We researched >> together to learn all we could. I think the most important thing i learned >> was that feline vaccine is grown on feline kidney cells and causes an >> imflammatory response on the kidneys everytime they are vaccinated, They >> think this could help lead to CRF. So vaccinating ccan be overdone, once >> every 3 yrs is enough and maybe too much! >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Yes, I really spent a lot of time bawling my eyes out when I was on that list. Tell me, is pat klien still on there? Now, That is one very smart woman. I tried to email her not long ago and did not get a response. Love the name, Will Feral...LOL, What do u mean Alice was trapped at 6 weeks? Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2011, at 12:08 AM, Beth Noren wrote: > Hi Marcia, > Glad to hear Fletch is looking better! After what I went through > with Alice (trapped at 6weeks, lost to wet FIP at 12 weeks), I'd leave > him on it for awhile even after he seems ok, just to be sure. I am on > the FIP list too, as hard as the FeLV stories are, FIP is even worse! > I only got to know Alice for 6 weeks, but I was able to enjoy her FeLV > positive brother Will Feral for 3.5 years, and at least see him grow > into adulthood. I still miss them both. > I also do vaccinations every 3 years on my adult cats, but I wait > until kittens are a little older now and do just one thing at a time, > even though it means lots more visits. And I will never again > vaccinate anyone so soon after they have "recovered" from an illness. > Guess the most important thing I've learned from these lists that > it's ok to question my vet and sometimes say "no", instead of just > blindly trusting them like I did with Alice... > I haven't had to deal with CRF yet (knock on wood). That is > interesting about the kidneys, I hadn't heard that before. I wonder > if I am stressing their kidneys out more by spreading out the > vaccines? Hmmm, all such a balancing act! I do get yearly complete > blood panels done on two of the surviving siblings of Will and Alice. > They are both FeLV neg, but have severe food/environmental allergies. > I think their immune systems just went on overdrive fighting FeLV and > could never slow down. Wish the science on all of these diseases > would move forward faster. Sigh. > > Hoping to hear of Fletch's continued improvement, > Head bumps from Beth N., Blue, Moxie, Dash, and Scooter (Alice and Will's > sibs) > > > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Marcia Baronda > wrote: >> Hi Beth >> How are you? Dr chrisler said to keep him on it for 3 weeks, and then when I >> took the others in for testing, i saw Dr metzger. We were discussing Fletch >> and she mentioned that he could stay on it indefinitely if need be. But, I >> think I'm seeing some improvement today. His coat looks much better and he >> actually trotted across the floor today(-: yes, I saw a little bounce to his >> step. Warmed my heart! >> I'm with you, i vaccinate my cats, mainly because of panleukopenia, but I >> think it definitely drops their immune system. I also had a cat die from >> FIP. I loved her so so much and it broke my heart to lose her. Her name was >> Yogi and she was a botle baby. I immediately got on the FIP list. I was on >> it for a couple years and learned a lot from them, just like i am learning a >> lot from all of you(-; >> Tjis last year my daughter lost her 15 year old cat to CRF. We researched >> together to learn all we could. I think the most important thing i learned >> was that feline vaccine is grown on feline kidney cells and causes an >> imflammatory response on the kidneys everytime they are vaccinated, They >> think this could help lead to CRF. So vaccinating ccan be overdone, once >> every 3 yrs is enough and maybe too much! >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Marcia, Glad to hear Fletch is looking better! After what I went through with Alice (trapped at 6weeks, lost to wet FIP at 12 weeks), I'd leave him on it for awhile even after he seems ok, just to be sure. I am on the FIP list too, as hard as the FeLV stories are, FIP is even worse! I only got to know Alice for 6 weeks, but I was able to enjoy her FeLV positive brother Will Feral for 3.5 years, and at least see him grow into adulthood. I still miss them both. I also do vaccinations every 3 years on my adult cats, but I wait until kittens are a little older now and do just one thing at a time, even though it means lots more visits. And I will never again vaccinate anyone so soon after they have "recovered" from an illness. Guess the most important thing I've learned from these lists that it's ok to question my vet and sometimes say "no", instead of just blindly trusting them like I did with Alice... I haven't had to deal with CRF yet (knock on wood). That is interesting about the kidneys, I hadn't heard that before. I wonder if I am stressing their kidneys out more by spreading out the vaccines? Hmmm, all such a balancing act! I do get yearly complete blood panels done on two of the surviving siblings of Will and Alice. They are both FeLV neg, but have severe food/environmental allergies. I think their immune systems just went on overdrive fighting FeLV and could never slow down. Wish the science on all of these diseases would move forward faster. Sigh. Hoping to hear of Fletch's continued improvement, Head bumps from Beth N., Blue, Moxie, Dash, and Scooter (Alice and Will's sibs) On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote: > Hi Beth > How are you? Dr chrisler said to keep him on it for 3 weeks, and then when I > took the others in for testing, i saw Dr metzger. We were discussing Fletch > and she mentioned that he could stay on it indefinitely if need be. But, I > think I'm seeing some improvement today. His coat looks much better and he > actually trotted across the floor today(-: yes, I saw a little bounce to his > step. Warmed my heart! > I'm with you, i vaccinate my cats, mainly because of panleukopenia, but I > think it definitely drops their immune system. I also had a cat die from > FIP. I loved her so so much and it broke my heart to lose her. Her name was > Yogi and she was a botle baby. I immediately got on the FIP list. I was on > it for a couple years and learned a lot from them, just like i am learning a > lot from all of you(-; > Tjis last year my daughter lost her 15 year old cat to CRF. We researched > together to learn all we could. I think the most important thing i learned > was that feline vaccine is grown on feline kidney cells and causes an > imflammatory response on the kidneys everytime they are vaccinated, They > think this could help lead to CRF. So vaccinating ccan be overdone, once > every 3 yrs is enough and maybe too much! > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Beth How are you? Dr chrisler said to keep him on it for 3 weeks, and then when I took the others in for testing, i saw Dr metzger. We were discussing Fletch and she mentioned that he could stay on it indefinitely if need be. But, I think I'm seeing some improvement today. His coat looks much better and he actually trotted across the floor today(-: yes, I saw a little bounce to his step. Warmed my heart! I'm with you, i vaccinate my cats, mainly because of panleukopenia, but I think it definitely drops their immune system. I also had a cat die from FIP. I loved her so so much and it broke my heart to lose her. Her name was Yogi and she was a botle baby. I immediately got on the FIP list. I was on it for a couple years and learned a lot from them, just like i am learning a lot from all of you(-; Tjis last year my daughter lost her 15 year old cat to CRF. We researched together to learn all we could. I think the most important thing i learned was that feline vaccine is grown on feline kidney cells and causes an imflammatory response on the kidneys everytime they are vaccinated, They think this could help lead to CRF. So vaccinating ccan be overdone, once every 3 yrs is enough and maybe too much! On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Beth Noren wrote: > Hi Marcia, > I know popular opinion is to limit antibiotic use, because it can kill > the good bacteria in the gut, but in my limited experience I prefer to > leave immune-compromised kitties on it longer. I had one little FeLV > pos kitten with a URI that had a 10 day regimen of Clavamox. She was > vaccinated a few days later, as she seemed to have cleared the URI. > Big mistake, I didn't know any better. The URI was not cleared, just > masked by the antibiotic, it came back, lost her to FIP a couple of > weeks later. When her positive brother started getting sick soon > after, he got prednisolone twice for fever and was on clavamox for > months (5, 6?) just in case. He never had any bowel problems from it. > My vet finally said she couldn't in good conscious keep prescribing > it for such a healthy cat. Had I left his sister on it (and not > vaccinated so young) I feel her immune system may have been less > exhausted and better able to fight the corona virus that turned into > FIP and killed her. > > Best wishes, > Beth > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Marcia Baronda > wrote: > > Terri > ...He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that > > indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. > What > > are you opinions?? > > > > Take care everyone > > Marcia > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies & Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Marcia, I know popular opinion is to limit antibiotic use, because it can kill the good bacteria in the gut, but in my limited experience I prefer to leave immune-compromised kitties on it longer. I had one little FeLV pos kitten with a URI that had a 10 day regimen of Clavamox. She was vaccinated a few days later, as she seemed to have cleared the URI. Big mistake, I didn't know any better. The URI was not cleared, just masked by the antibiotic, it came back, lost her to FIP a couple of weeks later. When her positive brother started getting sick soon after, he got prednisolone twice for fever and was on clavamox for months (5, 6?) just in case. He never had any bowel problems from it. My vet finally said she couldn't in good conscious keep prescribing it for such a healthy cat. Had I left his sister on it (and not vaccinated so young) I feel her immune system may have been less exhausted and better able to fight the corona virus that turned into FIP and killed her. Best wishes, Beth On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote: > Terri ...He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that > indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What > are you opinions?? > > Take care everyone > Marcia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Like I mentioned in my last e-mail - from what this vet told me, the IFA test is a confirmation of FeLV if it turns up positive so you wouldn't need a bone marrow aspirate. Now if the IFA is negative now and you do another IFA later on and it's still negative then either the cat has exterminated the virus or has put it into dormancy. When a cat has put the virus into dormancy both the ELISA and the IFA will be negative and only a bone marrow aspirate would tell if the virus is in dormancy. I'm just going on what I'm reading and what that one vet is telling me. Also, I read that many cats that put the virus into dormancy could extinguish the virus altogether years later There is always a chance that the IFA can show a false positive, but 99% of the time it's right. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:59:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Hi Marcia, I don't think re-testing is ever a bad idea, but in order to truly determine where his FeLV is as far as infection goes, a bone marrow aspirate would have to be done.It's been 6 years since I've had a FeLV+ baby here, and I was inactive on this list for quite some time. I recently reactivated because I missed reading about the kitties. His grouchiness could have everything to do with the fact that he's blind. I think once he adjusts, and once he is completely familiar with his surroundings he may be just fine. If you never read the book "Homer's Odyssey", you should. That kitty had to have his eyes removed when he was a kitten, and he adjusted quite well. Wonderful story. I never give up hope that my husband will one day agree to give up meat. Or at least drastically cut down on the amount. He'd eat beef every day if he had a choice. T - Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Terri I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers where Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my husband and said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken pork and fish followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer ways to cook! I am a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She is an amazing woman. it was from one of her books that I larned that cats can't calm down as fast as dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still foret that sometimes and end up getting scratched or bit. That's OK. Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? Take care everyone Marcia On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Terri Brown wrote: I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so
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LOL - I can see you (not that I know what you look like) in the courtroom at jury selection and you saying "Hang the Bastard." I still can't stop laughing. I would imagine everyone mouth dropped open. Mostly because they agreed but were too scared to say it themselves. I hate the physical changes of age but being more secure emotionally is worth it. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:02:56 -0500 > From: dlg...@windstream.net > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt > > Anyone who abuses animals and children and seniors deserves a swift kick in > the . I have no patience with them and really don't give a d--- if they > don't like it. > I have never been asked to serve on a jury in a case of animal, child, senior > abuse or drug charges. When asked if I have an opinioin on the case, I say > they should hang the bastard. They never do pick me. Can't figure out why. I > am also 70. Maybe age does have something to do with it. > > > "D.S.Louis" wrote: > > At my age 70, I've earned the right to say what I feel...andI do > > itjust ask my kids.. > > > "A failure is just a stopover on the way to SUCCESS." > > From: Natalie > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:26 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt > > Congratulations! I don't get these people, if they don't really care for > the horses, don't they at least appreciate them for their monetary > value? > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 7:31 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt > > I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about > animals for several years now. > > Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for > a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun > in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so > hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her > one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left > them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me > she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating > yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order > the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! > > She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! > > Sigh. > > Tee hee. > > Wonder what I'll be like at 80? > > kat > > On 8/23/11, Lorrie wrote: > > On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: > >>You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. > >>Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting > >>older, there ARE perks. > > > > Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! > > I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them > > if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. > > > > Lorrie > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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AWESOME =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: katskat1<mailto:katsk...@gmail.com> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Gee! Now you got me started on another topic. Speaking of Homer's Odyssey, I recently rescued a kitten less than 5 weeks old. Eyes and nose all gooey. Siblings either run over or died shortly after being taken off the road. The person who rescued her called me cause she knew I was a cat person and didn't know what to do. I cleaned her up and when I got the gunk off her face she had one eye bulging and sightless and the other apparently sightless. 2 days later (right after July 4), I took her to my vet for emergency surgery. She had to remove both eyes because of severe infection BUT she tested negative for FeLV. Awful young to assume I know but I had her do the test anyway. A couple days ago I took her in for her shots and had her tested again. Still negative. I will have her tested one more time when she goes in for spay. Her name is Koko because: 1. Koko is American Indian (Blackfoot) word for 'night' which she will always be in. 2. Koko was the name of the first gorilla taught American Sign Language for the blind and had a huge vocabulary. 3. Koko used her vocabulary to convince her humans she wanted a kitten. A REAL kitten. She got one, and she loved it and other kittens she adopted over the years. COOL? Koko is the bravest, most ornery, energetic kitty I remember having. She has memorized the house, attacks the dogs and other cats from hiding places, plays with the cats, plays with the dogs, (who seem to realize she can't see and play gently), jumps off high places once she has gotten familiar with them (my bed, the back of the couch), and is having a blast with life. I doubt she has ever been able to see cause she was dumped while so young. Next month she gets spayed and has an umbilical hernia repaired then, I am hers and she is mine forever! I gotta get/read that book. kat ^ ^ = " " = On 8/24/11, Lorrie mailto:felineres...@frontier.com>> wrote: > On 08-24, Natalie wrote: >>Welcome to 70 - I'll be 71 in December! Great age, isn't it? >> > It's great to know quite a few of you are in your 60's or 70's. > Now I don't feel quite so bad being 78. > > Lorrie > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org<http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org<http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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SURE IS! Natalie wrote: > Welcome to 70 - I'll be 71 in December! Great age, isn't it? > > > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of D.S.Louis > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:02 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt > > > > At my age 70, I've earned the right to say what I feel...andI do > itjust ask my kids.. > > > > "A failure is just a stopover on the way to SUCCESS." > > > > From: Natalie > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:26 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt > > Congratulations! I don't get these people, if they don't really care for > the horses, don't they at least appreciate them for their monetary > value? > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 7:31 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt > > I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about > animals for several years now. > > Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for > a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun > in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so > hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her > one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left > them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me > she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating > yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order > the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! > > She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! > > Sigh. > > Tee hee. > > Wonder what I'll be like at 80? > > kat > > On 8/23/11, Lorrie wrote: > > On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: > >>You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. > >>Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting > >>older, there ARE perks. > > > > Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! > > I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them > > if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. > > > > Lorrie > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I liked that movie, it had alot of good things in it. I would have jumped in fr the calf too and I would have brought it home to. Gloria Lane wrote: > Sounds good to me! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 24, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote: > > > Terri > > > > I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers > > where Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my > > husband and said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken > > pork and fish followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer > > ways to cook! I am a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She > > is an amazing woman. it was from one of her books that I larned that cats > > can't calm down as fast as dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still > > foret that sometimes and end up getting scratched or bit. That's OK. > > Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats > > today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him > > and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know > > after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that > > is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of > > experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his > > grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological > > issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is > > really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he > > could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try > > some prednisone. What are you opinions?? > > > > Take care everyone > > Marcia > > > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Terri Brown wrote: > > I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they > > are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why > > I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. > > > > I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the > > cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. > > It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our > > treatment of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. > > > > My 2 cents. > > > > =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 > > furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= > > - Original Message - > > From: Marcia Baronda > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt > > > > tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the > > horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had > > overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off > > the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I > > was so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told > > them what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said > > no, I was glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are > > hurt. they are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly > > e=mailed KDOT and told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only > > one. There was an apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have > > a veterinarian present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under > > the Animal welfare Act, which is a crying shame. > > > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 wrote: > > I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about > > animals for several years now. > > > > Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for > > a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun > > in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so > > hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her > > one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left > > them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me > > she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating > > yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order > > the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! > > > >
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How could you nt be hers for life! And to think that if te took her to ASPCA or humane society, she would have been considered un adoptable and put to sleep. Bless that lady for bringing her to you. Now she has a chance at life. Give her a hug for me and give yourself one too, you deserve it. Marcia Baronda wrote: > What a great story! See, it's these wonderful experiences we have with cats > that make us do it over and over even though sometimes we feel devastated > over our losses, we know, I think each and every one of us that we are here > to take care of them. > I guess I am going to have to read that book too(-: > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:13 PM, katskat1 wrote: > > > Gee! Now you got me started on another topic. Speaking of Homer's > > Odyssey, I recently rescued a kitten less than 5 weeks old. Eyes and > > nose all gooey. Siblings either run over or died shortly after being > > taken off the road. The person who rescued her called me cause she > > knew I was a cat person and didn't know what to do. > > > > I cleaned her up and when I got the gunk off her face she had one eye > > bulging and sightless and the other apparently sightless. 2 days > > later (right after July 4), I took her to my vet for emergency > > surgery. She had to remove both eyes because of severe infection BUT > > she tested negative for FeLV. Awful young to assume I know but I had > > her do the test anyway. A couple days ago I took her in for her shots > > and had her tested again. Still negative. I will have her tested one > > more time when she goes in for spay. > > > > Her name is Koko because: 1. Koko is American Indian (Blackfoot) > > word for 'night' which she will always be in. 2. Koko was the name > > of the first gorilla taught American Sign Language for the blind and > > had a huge vocabulary. 3. Koko used her vocabulary to convince her > > humans she wanted a kitten. A REAL kitten. She got one, and she > > loved it and other kittens she adopted over the years. COOL? > > > > Koko is the bravest, most ornery, energetic kitty I remember having. > > She has memorized the house, attacks the dogs and other cats from > > hiding places, plays with the cats, plays with the dogs, (who seem to > > realize she can't see and play gently), jumps off high places once she > > has gotten familiar with them (my bed, the back of the couch), and is > > having a blast with life. I doubt she has ever been able to see cause > > she was dumped while so young. Next month she gets spayed and has an > > umbilical hernia repaired then, I am hers and she is mine forever! > > > > I gotta get/read that book. > > > > kat > >^ ^ > > = " " = > > > > > > > > > > On 8/24/11, Lorrie wrote: > > > On 08-24, Natalie wrote: > > >>Welcome to 70 - I'll be 71 in December! Great age, isn't it? > > >> > > > It's great to know quite a few of you are in your 60's or 70's. > > > Now I don't feel quite so bad being 78. > > > > > > Lorrie > > > > > > ___ > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > -- > *Marcia Baronda* > *Baronda Supplies & Service, Inc.* > *1550 S 2700 Rd.* > *Herington, Kansas 67449* > *Phone: 785-466-2501* > *Cell:785-230-6499* > ** > ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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What a great story! See, it's these wonderful experiences we have with cats that make us do it over and over even though sometimes we feel devastated over our losses, we know, I think each and every one of us that we are here to take care of them. I guess I am going to have to read that book too(-: On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:13 PM, katskat1 wrote: > Gee! Now you got me started on another topic. Speaking of Homer's > Odyssey, I recently rescued a kitten less than 5 weeks old. Eyes and > nose all gooey. Siblings either run over or died shortly after being > taken off the road. The person who rescued her called me cause she > knew I was a cat person and didn't know what to do. > > I cleaned her up and when I got the gunk off her face she had one eye > bulging and sightless and the other apparently sightless. 2 days > later (right after July 4), I took her to my vet for emergency > surgery. She had to remove both eyes because of severe infection BUT > she tested negative for FeLV. Awful young to assume I know but I had > her do the test anyway. A couple days ago I took her in for her shots > and had her tested again. Still negative. I will have her tested one > more time when she goes in for spay. > > Her name is Koko because: 1. Koko is American Indian (Blackfoot) > word for 'night' which she will always be in. 2. Koko was the name > of the first gorilla taught American Sign Language for the blind and > had a huge vocabulary. 3. Koko used her vocabulary to convince her > humans she wanted a kitten. A REAL kitten. She got one, and she > loved it and other kittens she adopted over the years. COOL? > > Koko is the bravest, most ornery, energetic kitty I remember having. > She has memorized the house, attacks the dogs and other cats from > hiding places, plays with the cats, plays with the dogs, (who seem to > realize she can't see and play gently), jumps off high places once she > has gotten familiar with them (my bed, the back of the couch), and is > having a blast with life. I doubt she has ever been able to see cause > she was dumped while so young. Next month she gets spayed and has an > umbilical hernia repaired then, I am hers and she is mine forever! > > I gotta get/read that book. > > kat >^ ^ > = " " = > > > > > On 8/24/11, Lorrie wrote: > > On 08-24, Natalie wrote: > >>Welcome to 70 - I'll be 71 in December! Great age, isn't it? > >> > > It's great to know quite a few of you are in your 60's or 70's. > > Now I don't feel quite so bad being 78. > > > > Lorrie > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies & Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I LOVE STRONG WOMEN!! On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:02 PM, wrote: > Anyone who abuses animals and children and seniors deserves a swift kick in > the . I have no patience with them and really don't give a d--- if they > don't like it. > I have never been asked to serve on a jury in a case of animal, child, > senior abuse or drug charges. When asked if I have an opinioin on the case, > I say they should hang the bastard. They never do pick me. Can't figure > out why. I am also 70. Maybe age does have something to do with it. > > > "D.S.Louis" wrote: > > At my age 70, I've earned the right to say what I feel...andI do > itjust ask my kids.. > > > "A failure is just a stopover on the way to SUCCESS." > > From: Natalie > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:26 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt > > Congratulations! I don't get these people, if they don't really care for > the horses, don't they at least appreciate them for their monetary > value? > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 7:31 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt > > I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about > animals for several years now. > > Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for > a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun > in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so > hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her > one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left > them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me > she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating > yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order > the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! > > She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! > > Sigh. > > Tee hee. > > Wonder what I'll be like at 80? > > kat > > On 8/23/11, Lorrie wrote: > > On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: > >>You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting > older. > >>Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like > getting > >>older, there ARE perks. > > > > Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! > > I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them > > if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. > > > > Lorrie > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies & Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Gee! Now you got me started on another topic. Speaking of Homer's Odyssey, I recently rescued a kitten less than 5 weeks old. Eyes and nose all gooey. Siblings either run over or died shortly after being taken off the road. The person who rescued her called me cause she knew I was a cat person and didn't know what to do. I cleaned her up and when I got the gunk off her face she had one eye bulging and sightless and the other apparently sightless. 2 days later (right after July 4), I took her to my vet for emergency surgery. She had to remove both eyes because of severe infection BUT she tested negative for FeLV. Awful young to assume I know but I had her do the test anyway. A couple days ago I took her in for her shots and had her tested again. Still negative. I will have her tested one more time when she goes in for spay. Her name is Koko because: 1. Koko is American Indian (Blackfoot) word for 'night' which she will always be in. 2. Koko was the name of the first gorilla taught American Sign Language for the blind and had a huge vocabulary. 3. Koko used her vocabulary to convince her humans she wanted a kitten. A REAL kitten. She got one, and she loved it and other kittens she adopted over the years. COOL? Koko is the bravest, most ornery, energetic kitty I remember having. She has memorized the house, attacks the dogs and other cats from hiding places, plays with the cats, plays with the dogs, (who seem to realize she can't see and play gently), jumps off high places once she has gotten familiar with them (my bed, the back of the couch), and is having a blast with life. I doubt she has ever been able to see cause she was dumped while so young. Next month she gets spayed and has an umbilical hernia repaired then, I am hers and she is mine forever! I gotta get/read that book. kat ^ ^ = " " = On 8/24/11, Lorrie wrote: > On 08-24, Natalie wrote: >>Welcome to 70 - I'll be 71 in December! Great age, isn't it? >> > It's great to know quite a few of you are in your 60's or 70's. > Now I don't feel quite so bad being 78. > > Lorrie > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Why did she take them inside in the firstplace? Maybe she should be orced to sit inside the trailer along with the horses. katskat1 wrote: > I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about > animals for several years now. > > Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for > a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun > in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so > hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her > one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left > them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me > she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating > yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order > the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! > > She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! > > Sigh. > > Tee hee. > > Wonder what I'll be like at 80? > > kat > > On 8/23/11, Lorrie wrote: > > On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: > >>You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. > >>Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting > >>older, there ARE perks. > > > > Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! > > I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them > > if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. > > > > Lorrie > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Anyone who abuses animals and children and seniors deserves a swift kick in the . I have no patience with them and really don't give a d--- if they don't like it. I have never been asked to serve on a jury in a case of animal, child, senior abuse or drug charges. When asked if I have an opinioin on the case, I say they should hang the bastard. They never do pick me. Can't figure out why. I am also 70. Maybe age does have something to do with it. "D.S.Louis" wrote: > At my age 70, I've earned the right to say what I feel...andI do > itjust ask my kids.. "A failure is just a stopover on the way to SUCCESS." From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Congratulations! I don't get these people, if they don't really care for the horses, don't they at least appreciate them for their monetary value? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 7:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! Sigh. Tee hee. Wonder what I'll be like at 80? kat On 8/23/11, Lorrie wrote: > On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: >> You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. >> Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting >> older, there ARE perks. > > Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! > I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them > if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. > > Lorrie > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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On 08-24, Natalie wrote: >Welcome to 70 - I'll be 71 in December! Great age, isn't it? > It's great to know quite a few of you are in your 60's or 70's. Now I don't feel quite so bad being 78. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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you're a sweetheart. Right now he has some unknown infection..when I took him to the vet his temp was 105. So they put him on amoxi. She said that if he can't clear the infection he can just stay on amoxi. I think he needs probiotics too. I would think staying on an antibiotic all the time would make infections resistant to it. She said sometimes prednisone works really well on felv cats. I think someone else on this list also said their cat had it and it helped. Will have to look that up and send it to you. That poor cat, stumblin around in a neighborhood, probably trying to figure out what is going on. I have a very real problem with people that abandon animals or dump them. they really should be prosecuted, but 10 times out of 10 we don't know who they are, but people think we are the crazy ones for taking care of them!!! On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Natalie wrote: > We have one cat with a vestibular problem, and he’s super sweet, a real > uncle to all the cats…but when he feels worse, he walks around hissing all > the time, and we know it’s not at any particular cat – he’s just not feeling > too well that day! Fletch probably feels terrible when he does that! Is > there any reason that he would be on Amoxi indefinitely? And what would the > prednisone be for? > > ** ** > > We just got a 9-yr old blind and declawed cat, and healthy – poor thing was > stumbling around in a neighborhood, and only after about 2 weeks it was > determined that he cannot see. Nobody was looking for him; obviously > abandoned. Now, I’m trying to find him a small and quiet home…he has to be > approached quietly and forewarned that you’re there. > > ** ** > > *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: > felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Marcia Baronda > > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:47 AM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt > > ** ** > > Terri > > > > I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers > where Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my > husband and said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken > pork and fish followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer > ways to cook! I am a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She > is an amazing woman. it was from one of her books that I larned that cats > can't calm down as fast as dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still > foret that sometimes and end up getting scratched or bit. That's OK. > > Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats > today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him > and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know > after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that > is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience > with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness > is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know > that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, > poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that > indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What > are you opinions?? > > > > Take care everyone > > Marcia > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Terri Brown > wrote: > > I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they > are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why > I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. > > > > I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the > cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. > It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment > of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. > > > > My 2 cents. > > > > =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 > furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= > > > - Original Message - > > *From:* Marcia Baronda > > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt > > ** ** > > tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the > horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had > overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulld
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We have one cat with a vestibular problem, and he's super sweet, a real uncle to all the cats.but when he feels worse, he walks around hissing all the time, and we know it's not at any particular cat - he's just not feeling too well that day! Fletch probably feels terrible when he does that! Is there any reason that he would be on Amoxi indefinitely? And what would the prednisone be for? We just got a 9-yr old blind and declawed cat, and healthy - poor thing was stumbling around in a neighborhood, and only after about 2 weeks it was determined that he cannot see. Nobody was looking for him; obviously abandoned. Now, I'm trying to find him a small and quiet home.he has to be approached quietly and forewarned that you're there. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Terri I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers where Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my husband and said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken pork and fish followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer ways to cook! I am a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She is an amazing woman. it was from one of her books that I larned that cats can't calm down as fast as dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still foret that sometimes and end up getting scratched or bit. That's OK. Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? Take care everyone Marcia On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Terri Brown wrote: I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda <mailto:marciabmar...@gmail.com> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal welfare Act, which is a crying shame. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 wrote: I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffe
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Sounds good to me! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 24, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote: > Terri > > I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers > where Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my > husband and said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken pork > and fish followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer ways to > cook! I am a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She is an > amazing woman. it was from one of her books that I larned that cats can't > calm down as fast as dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still foret > that sometimes and end up getting scratched or bit. That's OK. > Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats > today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and > she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after > reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I > am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with > this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is > from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that > he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor > little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that > indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What > are you opinions?? > > Take care everyone > Marcia > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Terri Brown wrote: > I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they are > meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why I am > such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. > > I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the > cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. > It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment > of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. > > My 2 cents. > > =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 > furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= > - Original Message - > From: Marcia Baronda > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt > > tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the > horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had > overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off > the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was > so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them > what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was > glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they > are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and > told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an > apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian > present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal > welfare Act, which is a crying shame. > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 wrote: > I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about > animals for several years now. > > Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for > a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun > in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so > hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her > one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left > them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me > she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating > yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order > the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! > > She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! > > Sigh. > > Tee hee. > > Wonder what I'll be like at 80? > > kat > > On 8/23/11, Lorrie wrote: > > On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: > >>You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. > >>Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting > >>older, there ARE perks. > > > > Yes, that's one
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my husband too.in fact he has even bought cattle and I didn't speak to him for a week. On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Terri Brown wrote: > ** > Hi Marcia, > > I don't think re-testing is ever a bad idea, but in order to truly > determine where his FeLV is as far as infection goes, a bone marrow aspirate > would have to be done.It's been 6 years since I've had a FeLV+ baby > here, and I was inactive on this list for quite some time. I recently > reactivated because I missed reading about the kitties. > > His grouchiness could have everything to do with the fact that he's blind. > I think once he adjusts, and once he is completely familiar with his > surroundings he may be just fine. If you never read the book "Homer's > Odyssey", you should. That kitty had to have his eyes removed when he was a > kitten, and he adjusted quite well. Wonderful story. > > I never give up hope that my husband will one day agree to give up meat. > Or at least drastically cut down on the amount. He'd eat beef every day if > he had a choice. > > T > > - Original Message - > *From:* Marcia Baronda > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:47 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt > > Terri > > I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers > where Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my > husband and said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken > pork and fish followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer > ways to cook! I am a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She > is an amazing woman. it was from one of her books that I larned that cats > can't calm down as fast as dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still > foret that sometimes and end up getting scratched or bit. That's OK. > Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats > today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him > and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know > after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that > is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience > with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness > is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know > that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, > poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that > indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What > are you opinions?? > > Take care everyone > Marcia > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Terri Brown wrote: > >> ** >> I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that >> they are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is >> why I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. >> >> I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the >> cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. >> It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment >> of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. >> >> My 2 cents. >> >> =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 >> furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= >> >> - Original Message - >> *From:* Marcia Baronda >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt >> >> tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the >> horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had >> overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off >> the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I >> was so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told >> them what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, >> I was glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. >> they are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed >> KDOT and told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There >> was an apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a >> veterinarian present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the >> Animal welfare Act, which is a crying shame. >> >> On Tue, Aug 23
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I think that only one of Cargills slaughter houses uses her methods. And Temple said in one of her books that she felt bad about building something to send animals to their death. But more or less that if it is going to happen, it would help their state of mind. Another reason for this is to benefit humans because the hormones that produce fear in the animals remain in the slaughtered meat.believe me, I don't agree with any kind of slaughter. I don't think we have the right to say what another beings life is here for...I mean to serve us.I find it very egotistical. when people saysomething to me about that's what they're here for, I just tell them that someone forgot to tell the cows that. (I live in Kansas...a lot of cattle people here). I better get off this subject...because it is a big issue with me and I could go on and on..Ok Done!! On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Natalie wrote: > Sorry to stray into this area, but we were on this thread: > > My solution to this came in 1985, when I read a Rodale book by a reporter > whose experience, while writing about all the animal issues from fur to > veganism, was to become vegetarian himself. I looked at our dogs and cats, > and wondered why I wouldn’t wear their fur….so I gave away my lousy fur > coat. Then I read about factory farms, and again, looked at our animals, > and thought, gee, chickens are adorable and intelligent, cows have the most > beautiful big expressive brown eyes, etc. – that spring, I went cold-turkey, > along with my husband. When I was little, we used to live on a farm in > Austria in the Alps over the summers, I made friends with chickens, a cow, a > horse, a pig named Susie, and when the farmer had to send the cow for > slaughter because she stopped producing enough milk, he cried. I also saw a > goat slaughtered at the adjacent farm, and all those pleasant and unpleasant > memories flooded my mind. That was the easiest decision to make, but the > worst time because being vegetarian then was so much harder than it is now. > Just as much terror and abuse of animals is present in the chicken, turkey, > pig production as for beef, it just takes a different form. > > Unfortunately, I’m not too keen on Temple Grandin, as you can imagine…it > could be a lot better, and the problem is that the majority of slaughter > houses don’t even use her methods…too expensive…they care only about the > bottom line, no matter how they treat the animals, whether in the factory, > in transport, the “dead pile”, and the methods of slaughter….Amen! > > ** ** > > *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: > felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Terri Brown > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:15 AM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt > > ** ** > > I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they > are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why > I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. > > > > I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the > cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. > It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment > of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. > > > > My 2 cents. > > > > =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 > furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= > **** > > ----- Original Message - > > *From:* Marcia Baronda > > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt > > ** ** > > tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the > horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had > overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off > the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I > was so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told > them what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, > I was glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. > they are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed > KDOT and told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There > was an apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a > veterinarian present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the > Animal welfare Act, which is a crying shame. > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 w
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Hi Marcia, I don't think re-testing is ever a bad idea, but in order to truly determine where his FeLV is as far as infection goes, a bone marrow aspirate would have to be done.It's been 6 years since I've had a FeLV+ baby here, and I was inactive on this list for quite some time. I recently reactivated because I missed reading about the kitties. His grouchiness could have everything to do with the fact that he's blind. I think once he adjusts, and once he is completely familiar with his surroundings he may be just fine. If you never read the book "Homer's Odyssey", you should. That kitty had to have his eyes removed when he was a kitten, and he adjusted quite well. Wonderful story. I never give up hope that my husband will one day agree to give up meat. Or at least drastically cut down on the amount. He'd eat beef every day if he had a choice. T - Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda<mailto:marciabmar...@gmail.com> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Terri I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers where Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my husband and said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken pork and fish followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer ways to cook! I am a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She is an amazing woman. it was from one of her books that I larned that cats can't calm down as fast as dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still foret that sometimes and end up getting scratched or bit. That's OK. Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? Take care everyone Marcia On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Terri Brown mailto:siggies...@hotmail.com>> wrote: I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda<mailto:marciabmar...@gmail.com> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal welfare Act, which is a crying shame. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 mailto:katsk...@gmail.com>> wrote: I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking
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Terri I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers where Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my husband and said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken pork and fish followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer ways to cook! I am a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She is an amazing woman. it was from one of her books that I larned that cats can't calm down as fast as dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still foret that sometimes and end up getting scratched or bit. That's OK. Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats today and continually growls at me(-; I asked my vet about retesting him and she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions?? Take care everyone Marcia On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Terri Brown wrote: > ** > I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they > are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why > I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. > > I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the > cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. > It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment > of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. > > My 2 cents. > > =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 > furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= > > - Original Message - > *From:* Marcia Baronda > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt > > tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the > horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had > overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off > the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I > was so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told > them what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, > I was glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. > they are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed > KDOT and told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There > was an apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a > veterinarian present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the > Animal welfare Act, which is a crying shame. > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 wrote: > >> I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about >> animals for several years now. >> >> Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for >> a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun >> in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so >> hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her >> one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left >> them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me >> she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating >> yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order >> the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! >> >> She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! >> >> Sigh. >> >> Tee hee. >> >> Wonder what I'll be like at 80? >> >> kat >> >> On 8/23/11, Lorrie wrote: >> > On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: >> >>You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting >> older. >> >>Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like >> getting >> >>older, there ARE perks. >> > >> > Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! >> > I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them >> > if t
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You're right, Natalie -- we COULD do better. But Dr. Grandin has the right idea. That's all I'm saying. Animals deserve our respect, no matter what the species. they are individuals, after all. My husband will NEVER give up meat. We've talked about it. Won't happen. As for myself, I am very aware of what happens with a lot of animals in line for slaughter. Wouldn't it be wonderful if slaughter houses were REQUIRED to humanely handle the animals? There really is no excuse these days for this kind of cruel treatment -- not with what we know now about the minds of animals. You didn't upset me -- I completely understand why you feel the way you do. I don't buy fur or leather either whenever I can avoid it. If I can find what I need in a synthetic or plant based material, I'm good with that. T - Original Message - From: Natalie<mailto:at...@optonline.net> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Sorry to stray into this area, but we were on this thread: My solution to this came in 1985, when I read a Rodale book by a reporter whose experience, while writing about all the animal issues from fur to veganism, was to become vegetarian himself. I looked at our dogs and cats, and wondered why I wouldn't wear their fur..so I gave away my lousy fur coat. Then I read about factory farms, and again, looked at our animals, and thought, gee, chickens are adorable and intelligent, cows have the most beautiful big expressive brown eyes, etc. - that spring, I went cold-turkey, along with my husband. When I was little, we used to live on a farm in Austria in the Alps over the summers, I made friends with chickens, a cow, a horse, a pig named Susie, and when the farmer had to send the cow for slaughter because she stopped producing enough milk, he cried. I also saw a goat slaughtered at the adjacent farm, and all those pleasant and unpleasant memories flooded my mind. That was the easiest decision to make, but the worst time because being vegetarian then was so much harder than it is now. Just as much terror and abuse of animals is present in the chicken, turkey, pig production as for beef, it just takes a different form. Unfortunately, I'm not too keen on Temple Grandin, as you can imagine.it could be a lot better, and the problem is that the majority of slaughter houses don't even use her methods.too expensive.they care only about the bottom line, no matter how they treat the animals, whether in the factory, in transport, the "dead pile", and the methods of slaughter..Amen! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda<mailto:marciabmar...@gmail.com> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal welfare Act, which is a crying shame. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 mailto:katsk...@gmail.com>> wrote: I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about a
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Welcome to 70 - I'll be 71 in December! Great age, isn't it? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of D.S.Louis Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt At my age 70, I've earned the right to say what I feel...andI do itjust ask my kids.. "A failure is just a stopover on the way to SUCCESS." From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Congratulations! I don't get these people, if they don't really care for the horses, don't they at least appreciate them for their monetary value? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 7:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! Sigh. Tee hee. Wonder what I'll be like at 80? kat On 8/23/11, Lorrie wrote: > On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: >>You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. >>Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting >>older, there ARE perks. > > Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! > I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them > if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. > > Lorrie > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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At my age 70, I've earned the right to say what I feel...andI do itjust ask my kids.. "A failure is just a stopover on the way to SUCCESS." From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt Congratulations! I don't get these people, if they don't really care for the horses, don't they at least appreciate them for their monetary value? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 7:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! Sigh. Tee hee. Wonder what I'll be like at 80? kat On 8/23/11, Lorrie wrote: > On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: >> You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. >> Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting >> older, there ARE perks. > > Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! > I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them > if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. > > Lorrie > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Sorry to stray into this area, but we were on this thread: My solution to this came in 1985, when I read a Rodale book by a reporter whose experience, while writing about all the animal issues from fur to veganism, was to become vegetarian himself. I looked at our dogs and cats, and wondered why I wouldn't wear their fur..so I gave away my lousy fur coat. Then I read about factory farms, and again, looked at our animals, and thought, gee, chickens are adorable and intelligent, cows have the most beautiful big expressive brown eyes, etc. - that spring, I went cold-turkey, along with my husband. When I was little, we used to live on a farm in Austria in the Alps over the summers, I made friends with chickens, a cow, a horse, a pig named Susie, and when the farmer had to send the cow for slaughter because she stopped producing enough milk, he cried. I also saw a goat slaughtered at the adjacent farm, and all those pleasant and unpleasant memories flooded my mind. That was the easiest decision to make, but the worst time because being vegetarian then was so much harder than it is now. Just as much terror and abuse of animals is present in the chicken, turkey, pig production as for beef, it just takes a different form. Unfortunately, I'm not too keen on Temple Grandin, as you can imagine.it could be a lot better, and the problem is that the majority of slaughter houses don't even use her methods.too expensive.they care only about the bottom line, no matter how they treat the animals, whether in the factory, in transport, the "dead pile", and the methods of slaughter..Amen! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda <mailto:marciabmar...@gmail.com> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal welfare Act, which is a crying shame. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 wrote: I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! Sigh. Tee hee. Wonder what I'll be like at 80? kat On 8/23/11, Lorrie wrote: > On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: >>You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. >>Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting >>older, there ARE perks. > > Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! > I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them > if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. > > Lorrie >
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Congratulations! I don't get these people, if they don't really care for the horses, don't they at least appreciate them for their monetary value? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 7:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! Sigh. Tee hee. Wonder what I'll be like at 80? kat On 8/23/11, Lorrie wrote: > On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: >>You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. >>Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting >>older, there ARE perks. > > Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! > I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them > if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. > > Lorrie > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected. I understand that they are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect. This is why I am such a fan of Temple Grandin. She got it right. I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the cruelty they get like this. I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated. It is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of cattle. There are more humane ways to slaughter them. My 2 cents. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda<mailto:marciabmar...@gmail.com> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal welfare Act, which is a crying shame. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 mailto:katsk...@gmail.com>> wrote: I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! Sigh. Tee hee. Wonder what I'll be like at 80? kat On 8/23/11, Lorrie mailto:felineres...@frontier.com>> wrote: > On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: >>You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. >>Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting >>older, there ARE perks. > > Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! > I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them > if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. > > Lorrie > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org<http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org<http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies & Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I love it! Hood for you. Can't believe shed leave horses in the sun and heat. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2011, at 9:48 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: > Really.eat in the truck. > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 wrote: > I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about > animals for several years now. > > Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for > a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun > in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so > hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her > one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left > them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me > she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating > yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order > the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! > > She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! > > Sigh. > > Tee hee. > > Wonder what I'll be like at 80? > > kat > > On 8/23/11, Lorrie wrote: > > On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: > >>You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. > >>Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting > >>older, there ARE perks. > > > > Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! > > I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them > > if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. > > > > Lorrie > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > -- > Marcia Baronda > Baronda Supplies & Service, Inc. > 1550 S 2700 Rd. > Herington, Kansas 67449 > Phone: 785-466-2501 > Cell:785-230-6499 > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Really.eat in the truck. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 wrote: > I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about > animals for several years now. > > Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for > a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun > in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so > hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her > one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left > them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me > she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating > yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order > the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! > > She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! > > Sigh. > > Tee hee. > > Wonder what I'll be like at 80? > > kat > > On 8/23/11, Lorrie wrote: > > On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: > >>You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting > older. > >>Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like > getting > >>older, there ARE perks. > > > > Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! > > I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them > > if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. > > > > Lorrie > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies & Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was glad I got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they are bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and told them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an apology on the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian present if it happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal welfare Act, which is a crying shame. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 wrote: > I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about > animals for several years now. > > Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for > a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun > in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so > hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her > one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left > them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me > she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating > yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order > the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! > > She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! > > Sigh. > > Tee hee. > > Wonder what I'll be like at 80? > > kat > > On 8/23/11, Lorrie wrote: > > On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: > >>You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting > older. > >>Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like > getting > >>older, there ARE perks. > > > > Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! > > I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them > > if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. > > > > Lorrie > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- *Marcia Baronda* *Baronda Supplies & Service, Inc.* *1550 S 2700 Rd.* *Herington, Kansas 67449* *Phone: 785-466-2501* *Cell:785-230-6499* ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about animals for several years now. Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun in an enclosed trailer. One of the horses was neighing and kicking so hard the trailer was rocking. I went inside and found her, told her one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat. She told me she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating yet. I told her that is why it is called fast food. She could order the food and they can eat in the truck. Suffer - your horses are! She seemed to be a bit miffed at me! Said very un-4H-like words! Sigh. Tee hee. Wonder what I'll be like at 80? kat On 8/23/11, Lorrie wrote: > On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: >>You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. >>Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting >>older, there ARE perks. > > Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! > I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them > if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. > > Lorrie > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt
On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote: >You know what? I'm getting that way too! It must be getting older. >Ya know, I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting >older, there ARE perks. Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old! I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
