RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire - new release

2004-08-13 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross wrote: Sent: 12 August 2004 19:58 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire - new release OK, Melchior helped to debug this via chat while I was working on cell phone UI bugs at work. :) It turns out to have been a pair of typos

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire - new release

2004-08-12 Thread Andy Ross
Vivian Meazza wrote: This is, I believe, due to a bug at line 67 of the script ~/data/nasal/fuel.nas which improperly sets the tank property kill-when-empty. Haven't we already been here and thrown out this explanation? Here is line 67: if(t.getBoolValue(kill-when-empty)) { outOfFuel = 1;

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire - new release

2004-08-12 Thread Andy Ross
OK, Melchior helped to debug this via chat while I was working on cell phone UI bugs at work. :) It turns out to have been a pair of typos in fuel.nas that were causing all the problems. What I *read* wasn't what the code was actually doing, which explains all the confusion. This one, though,

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-27 Thread Vivian Meazza
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bernie Bright Sent: 27 July 2004 05:41 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Vivian Meazza wrote: Ampere K. Hardraade wrote Sent: 26 July

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-27 Thread Bernie Bright
Vivian Meazza wrote: plib.ssgAux has a particle system that can simulate smoke. Attach one to an animation object and there you have it. Any takers? Someone (David Megginson?) mentioned the particle system when the subject of smoke was brought up some time ago. It may have been me but

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-26 Thread Vivian Meazza
Ampere K. Hardraade wrote Sent: 26 July 2004 03:13 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire To create smoke, we will need two things: smoke emitter and smoke object. The smoke emitter will allow the user to set the following properties: - X, Y, Z

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-26 Thread Bernie Bright
Vivian Meazza wrote: Ampere K. Hardraade wrote Sent: 26 July 2004 03:13 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire To create smoke, we will need two things: smoke emitter and smoke object. [snip] Good analysis. How much of this already exists, either

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-25 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
To create smoke, we will need two things: smoke emitter and smoke object. The smoke emitter will allow the user to set the following properties: - X, Y, Z coordinate relative to the aircraft. This is the location at which the smoke objects will be created. - vector at which the smoke is

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-25 Thread Jon Berndt
To create smoke, we will need two things: smoke emitter and smoke object. I really hope you can do this. Smoke and fire are important for the X-15, too. :-) Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-25 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
I hope so too, but the fact is: I'm not a programmer. Regards, Ampere On July 25, 2004 10:53 pm, Jon Berndt wrote: I really hope you can do this. Smoke and fire are important for the X-15, too. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-23 Thread Innis Cunningham
Hi Vivian Vivian Meazza writes I've implemented a Coffman cartridge starter, and it would be nice to have a cloud of black smoke come out of the exhaust and drift downwind at wind speed before dispersing. I can do the first bit, but not the rest. I have my eye on Fred's bump-mapped 3D clouds.

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
I wrote Sent: 16 July 2004 09:41 To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Erik Hofman wrote Sent: 16 July 2004 08:44 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Vivian Meazza wrote: Back up

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-16 Thread Vivian Meazza
I wrote Sent: 15 July 2004 22:16 To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire I wrote Sent: 09 July 2004 09:53 To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire David Megginson wrote Sent: 09 July 2004 00

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-16 Thread Erik Hofman
Vivian Meazza wrote: Back up with an upgraded machine - 2.8 Mhz P4, 512 Ram, Gforce 5200. I've rebuilt Cywin, and FGFS-CVS. I've just copied the latest version of the Spitfire from FGFS-0.9.4, where it was working, after a fashion, to FGFS-CVS. All the files. Now it won't fly, as David pointed

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-16 Thread Vivian Meazza
Erik Hofman wrote Sent: 16 July 2004 08:44 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Vivian Meazza wrote: Back up with an upgraded machine - 2.8 Mhz P4, 512 Ram, Gforce 5200. I've rebuilt Cywin, and FGFS-CVS. I've just copied the latest version

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-15 Thread Vivian Meazza
I wrote Sent: 09 July 2004 09:53 To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire David Megginson wrote Sent: 09 July 2004 00:24 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Vivian Meazza wrote

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-09 Thread Martin Spott
Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: Mwhaha... http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/ohmygodSpitfire pass.wmv Does anyone have a copy of it ? Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are !

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-09 Thread Innis Cunningham
Hi Guys Of course you could do what I did with the P51 I could not fly just make a quick FDM in JSBSIM with aeromatic. I know thats not the fix but hey it flys Cheers Innis From: David Megginson writes Andy Ross wrote: I know Vivian has had trouble getting it working with the gear ratio stuff on

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-09 Thread Vivian Meazza
David Megginson wrote Sent: 09 July 2004 00:24 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Vivian Meazza wrote: There should also be a version with the legacy code, and that does fly (or rather, does for me), although the performance is a bit

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-08 Thread Chris Metzler
On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:36:56 -0400 David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone actually fly the Spitfire model in CVS? fgfs --aircraft=spitfireIIa The elevators seem to have no effect at all. On the ground, the plane starts nosing down as soon as it gets to around 30 kt, and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-08 Thread Chris Metzler
On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:36:56 -0400 David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone actually fly the Spitfire model in CVS? fgfs --aircraft=spitfireIIa The elevators seem to have no effect at all. On the ground, the plane starts nosing down as soon as it gets to around 30 kt, and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-08 Thread Andy Ross
David Megginson wrote: Can anyone actually fly the Spitfire model in CVS? I wonder if there's something wrong in the YASim config file. I know Vivian has had trouble getting it working with the gear ratio stuff on the engine. This (along with tuning the p51d) has been on my list for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-08 Thread David Megginson
Andy Ross wrote: I know Vivian has had trouble getting it working with the gear ratio stuff on the engine. This (along with tuning the p51d) has been on my list for ages, but I've been swamped with work and homeowner concerns recently. I'm still alive, I promise. :) I don't think it's an engine

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-08 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross wrote: I know Vivian has had trouble getting it working with the gear ratio stuff on the engine. This (along with tuning the p51d) has been on my list for ages, but I've been swamped with work and homeowner concerns recently. I'm still alive, I promise. :) I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-08 Thread David Megginson
Vivian Meazza wrote: There should also be a version with the legacy code, and that does fly (or rather, does for me), although the performance is a bit down. I don't think that there is an error in the code, but I'll double check with the legacy version Thanks. It's a beautiful model, by the way.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-08 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
Mwhaha... http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/ohmygodSpitfire pass.wmv Regards, Ampere On July 8, 2004 07:23 pm, David Megginson wrote: I love watching it take off when it's at our end of the airport. If only the plane had an extra seat ... All the best, David

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-08 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
I think this problem occurs with the F16 in 0.9.4 as well when the fuel tanks are full. Regards, Ampere On July 8, 2004 04:36 pm, David Megginson wrote: Can anyone actually fly the Spitfire model in CVS? fgfs --aircraft=spitfireIIa The elevators seem to have no effect at all. On the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire

2004-07-08 Thread David Megginson
Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: Mwhaha... http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/ohmygodSpitfirepass.wmv Yes, I've seen that clip -- it's pretty funny (scary, actually). Fortunately, the one based at CYOW tends to stick to the runway. All the best, David

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire model

2004-07-03 Thread Vivian Meazza
Hi, I've forwarded the current state-of-play Spitfire model to Curt for release in CVS. The model is also available here: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/vmeazza/FlightGear/spitfire.tar.gz There are 2 versions: spitfireIIa with legacy YASim propeller/engine code, and spitfireIIa-mod1 with the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Performance Testing

2004-05-16 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross wrote Vivian Meazza wrote: Now the bad news - the new propeller/engine code does not seem to work for me. These are the input data: Nothing looks wrong from reading it. Can you post the whole file so I can test? Thanks. This is the whole file. It worked(ish) with

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Performance Testing

2004-05-16 Thread Wolfram Kuss
Rick aked himself: (Or do I remember seeing film with the canopy open during the approach?) Yes. It makes landing easier to open the canopy and look around the big engine in front :). :) Nice job Vivian :) Yes, indeed! Rick Bye bye, Wolfram. ___

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Performance Testing

2004-05-15 Thread Lee Elliott
On Friday 14 May 2004 08:30, Erik Hofman wrote: Jim Wilson wrote: Vivian Meazza said: Nearly there: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/vmeazza/FlightGear/spitfireIIa-1.jpg http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/vmeazza/FlightGear/spitfireIIa-2.jpg Great progress...very nice! Very nice indeed!

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Performance Testing

2004-05-15 Thread Lee Elliott
On Friday 14 May 2004 23:44, Rick Ansell wrote: On Fri, 14 May 2004 22:48:19 +0100 Vivian Meazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Ansell Sent: 14 May 2004 21:30 To: FlightGear developers

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Performance Testing

2004-05-15 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross wrote: Sent: 13 May 2004 23:38 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Performance Testing Vivian Meazza wrote: As you can see, it flies. The engine/propeller combination is a horrid bodge in YASim. Very unrealistic performance

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Performance Testing

2004-05-15 Thread Andy Ross
Vivian Meazza wrote: Now the bad news - the new propeller/engine code does not seem to work for me. These are the input data: Nothing looks wrong from reading it. Can you post the whole file so I can test? Thanks. Andy ___ Flightgear-devel mailing

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Performance Testing

2004-05-14 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy wrote -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Ross Sent: 13 May 2004 23:38 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Performance Testing Vivian Meazza wrote: As you can see, it flies

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Performance Testing

2004-05-14 Thread Erik Hofman
Jim Wilson wrote: Vivian Meazza said: Nearly there: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/vmeazza/FlightGear/spitfireIIa-1.jpg http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/vmeazza/FlightGear/spitfireIIa-2.jpg Great progress...very nice! Very nice indeed! Erik ___

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Performance Testing

2004-05-14 Thread Rick Ansell
On Fri, 14 May 2004 09:30:37 +0200 Erik Hofman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Wilson wrote: Vivian Meazza said: Nearly there: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/vmeazza/FlightGear/spitfireIIa-1.jpg http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/vmeazza/FlightGear/spitfireIIa-2.jpg Great progress...very nice!

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Performance Testing

2004-05-14 Thread Vivian Meazza
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Ansell Sent: 14 May 2004 21:30 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Performance Testing On Fri, 14 May 2004 09:30:37 +0200 Erik Hofman [EMAIL

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Performance Testing

2004-05-14 Thread Rick Ansell
On Fri, 14 May 2004 22:48:19 +0100 Vivian Meazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Ansell Sent: 14 May 2004 21:30 To: FlightGear developers discussions snip I don't recall a jettison function:

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Performance Testing

2004-05-13 Thread Vivian Meazza
Erik Hofman wrote (some time ago) Sent: 01 May 2004 08:42 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Performance Testing Vivian Meazza wrote: Thanks, Eric, that link was already a primary source. It's all coming together nicely. Just finishing

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Performance Testing

2004-05-13 Thread Jim Wilson
Vivian Meazza said: Erik Hofman wrote (some time ago) Sent: 01 May 2004 08:42 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Performance Testing Vivian Meazza wrote: Thanks, Eric, that link was already a primary source. It's all coming

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Propeller vs. YASim

2004-05-05 Thread Richard Bytheway
-Original Message- From: Vivian Meazza Sent: 04 May 2004 7:38 pm To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Propeller vs. YASim Richard Bytheway wrote Sent: 04 May 2004 10:42 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: RE

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Propeller vs. YASim

2004-05-04 Thread Richard Bytheway
I had already shown by some pretty simple math that at 2850 rmp the tips of a 1.65m radius propeller would be supersonic and therefore highly improbable, but we now know that the data of hp, gear ratio, rpm etc all tie together. Thanks Vivian Meazza I have a memory from years back

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Propeller vs. YASim

2004-05-04 Thread Erik Hofman
Richard Bytheway wrote: I have a memory from years back of being told that the reason the Spitfire had such a distinctive sound was that the propellor tips _were_ supersonic. Maybe it was just heresay. That probably was for the Harvard. Erik ___

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Propeller vs. YASim

2004-05-04 Thread David Megginson
Richard Bytheway wrote: I have a memory from years back of being told that the reason the Spitfire had such a distinctive sound was that the propellor tips _were_ supersonic. Maybe it was just heresay. I don't know about the Spitfire, but I understand that's the case with many floatplanes -- you

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Propeller vs. YASim

2004-05-04 Thread Jim Wilson
Richard Bytheway said: I had already shown by some pretty simple math that at 2850 rmp the tips of a 1.65m radius propeller would be supersonic and therefore highly improbable, but we now know that the data of hp, gear ratio, rpm etc all tie together. At higher altitudes? IIRC

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Propeller vs. YASim

2004-05-04 Thread Vivian Meazza
Richard Bytheway wrote Sent: 04 May 2004 10:42 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Propeller vs. YASim I had already shown by some pretty simple math that at 2850 rmp the tips of a 1.65m radius propeller would be supersonic and therefore

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Propeller vs. YASim

2004-05-03 Thread Vivian Meazza
Wolfram Kuss Spitfire Mk IIA Ah - surprising! Here is an email Rick Fuelcock sent me a short while ago. I hope it helps. Sorry for the poor formating. --- snip - Rather than send you the GBE code , I will direct you to the site where I got

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Propeller vs. YASim

2004-05-02 Thread Wolfram Kuss
Spitfire Mk IIA Ah - surprising! Here is an email Rick Fuelcock sent me a short while ago. I hope it helps. Sorry for the poor formating. --- snip - Rather than send you the GBE code , I will direct you to the site where I got it:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Performance Testing

2004-05-01 Thread Erik Hofman
Vivian Meazza wrote: Thanks, Eric, that link was already a primary source. It's all coming together nicely. Just finishing texturing, a little more animation to do, and about half the 3d instruments. You'll be glad to know that the model is under 5000 vertices so far. I have bodged the engine,

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Performance Testing

2004-04-30 Thread Vivian Meazza
Erik Hofman wrote Sent: 30 April 2004 22:37 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Performance Testing Hi, It just occurred to me I had this link in my bookmarks, just when you think you've seen all information about the spitfire:

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-28 Thread David Luff
On 4/19/04 at 11:12 PM Vivian Meazza wrote: All you ever wanted to know about a Merlin with 2 speed, 2 stage supercharging is here: http://www.unlimitedexcitement.com/Pride%20of%20Pay%20n%20Pak/Rolls-Royce%2 0 Merlin%20V-1650%20Engine.htm Except exactly how the boost contol valve worked :-)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 12:26:42 +0100, David wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 4/19/04 at 11:12 PM Vivian Meazza wrote: All you ever wanted to know about a Merlin with 2 speed, 2 stage supercharging is here: http://www.unlimitedexcitement.com/Pride%20of%20Pay%20n%20Pak/Rolls-

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Propeller vs. YASim

2004-04-27 Thread Jim Wilson
Andy Ross said: Vivian Meazza wrote: Here are some calculations on propeller rpm. [...] We can see that 2850 is unlikely to be the rpm of a 10.75 diameter propeller Yeah, you're right. This is a real bug. I was playing with it this morning, and we're hitting an edge case in the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Propeller vs. YASim

2004-04-23 Thread Vivian Meazza
Wolfram Kuss asked I did not see the original thread. What Spitfire version are you speaking about? Spitfire Mk IIA Regards Vivian ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Propeller vs. YASim

2004-04-22 Thread Wolfram Kuss
I did not see the original thread. What Spitfire version are you speaking about? Bye bye, Wolfram. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Propeller vs. YASim

2004-04-21 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross [Starting a new thread. The reply nesting level in my mozilla window was getting freaky.] Vivian Meazza wrote: The engine I'm trying to specify developed 1140 HP at engine revolutions of 2850 rpm at a boost pressure of 9 psi. It was fitted with 1:0.477 reduction

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Propeller vs. YASim

2004-04-21 Thread Vivian Meazza
Vivian Meazza wrote Andy Ross [Starting a new thread. The reply nesting level in my mozilla window was getting freaky.] Vivian Meazza wrote: The engine I'm trying to specify developed 1140 HP at engine revolutions of 2850 rpm at a boost pressure of 9 psi. It was fitted

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Propeller vs. YASim

2004-04-21 Thread Andy Ross
Vivian Meazza wrote: Here are some calculations on propeller rpm. [...] We can see that 2850 is unlikely to be the rpm of a 10.75 diameter propeller Yeah, you're right. This is a real bug. I was playing with it this morning, and we're hitting an edge case in the propeller solver. The

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-20 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy wrote Vivian Meazza wrote: However, eng-power should be the un-supercharged max power, so I reduced eng-power value, No no, I was wrong. Use the superchared value, the eng-power gets corrected before solving to assume max sea level manifold density (i.e. with boost and

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-20 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross Vivian Meazza wrote: However, eng-power should be the un-supercharged max power, so I reduced eng-power value, No no, I was wrong. Use the superchared value, the eng-power gets corrected before solving to assume max sea level manifold density (i.e. with boost and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-20 Thread Andy Ross
Vivia Meazza wrote: As does this (2): cruise-speed=308 cruise-rpm=2850 This does not (3): cruise-speed=308 cruise-rpm=1360 Again, these are *wildly* different propoellers you are specifying. The second one is going to end up with four (!) times the force

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-20 Thread Erik Hofman
Vivian, Are you aware of this data I once sent to the list: http://baron.flightgear.org/pipermail/flightgear-flightmodel/2003-March/002130.html Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-20 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross tried again! Vivian Meazza wrote: As does this (2): cruise-speed=308 cruise-rpm=2850 This does not (3): cruise-speed=308 cruise-rpm=1360 Again, these are *wildly* different propoellers you are specifying. The second one is going to end up with

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-19 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross wrote Vivian Meazza wrote: With these values eng-power=1140 eng-rpm=2850 cruise-power=2850 cruise-rpm=1359 takeoff-power=1100 takeoff-rpm=1359 YASim appears go into a loop and provides no output. These settings don't make much sense in combination. The

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-19 Thread David Luff
On 4/19/04 at 9:24 AM Vivian Meazza wrote: Finally, I've had some difficulty understanding the concept of using absolute pressure for the Boost Control Valve (BCV). In the real world a BCV comprises, in principle, a plate exposed to manifold pressure on one side and to the local atmospheric

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-19 Thread Andy Ross
Vivian Meazza wrote: The takeoff values. Are these the power absorbed by the propeller at propeller rpm, or the engine output at engine rpm, super- or un-supercharged? Un-supercharged. And the equations are solved such that both power values are the same. Basically, don't sweat this one; it

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-19 Thread Vivian Meazza
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Luff Sent: 19 April 2004 09:52 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals On 4/19/04 at 9:24 AM Vivian Meazza wrote: Finally

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-19 Thread Andy Ross
I wrote (incorrectly): The eng setting is a maximum power (at standard sea level) for the engine without supercharging. Never mind the last part. The code *does* correctly handle the boost setting, and assumes that it is at maximum (in most cases, the wastegate setting) at the specified power.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-19 Thread Jim Wilson
Andy Ross said: These settings don't make much sense in combination. The eng setting is a maximum power (at standard sea level) for the engine without supercharging. In this case, the normally aspirated engine develops 1140 HP at max RPM. That needs to be clarified in the docs (the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-19 Thread Jim Wilson
David Luff said: Can anyone clarify the function of the Boost cut-out EMERGENCY control mentioned in the manual. The name implies that it cuts the boost completely in an engine emergency. However, the text implies that it overrides the BCV for extra emergency boost: If it is desired in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-19 Thread David Luff
Jim Wilson writes: David Luff said: Can anyone clarify the function of the Boost cut-out EMERGENCY control mentioned in the manual. The name implies that it cuts the boost completely in an engine emergency. However, the text implies that it overrides the BCV for extra emergency

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-19 Thread Vivian Meazza
David Luff said Jim Wilson writes: David Luff said: Can anyone clarify the function of the Boost cut-out EMERGENCY control mentioned in the manual. The name implies that it cuts the boost completely in an engine emergency. However, the text implies that it

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-19 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross wrote Vivian Meazza wrote: The takeoff values. Are these the power absorbed by the propeller at propeller rpm, or the engine output at engine rpm, super- or un-supercharged? Un-supercharged. And the equations are solved such that both power values are the same.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-19 Thread Lee Elliott
While I remember, if a YASim a/c only has one tank, the second tank - tank[1] - seems to be set with a 'nan' level. Doesn't stop the a/c engine from starting or running but it screws up the tot fuel figure. Setting the level for tank[1] to zero via the property browser sorts it ok. LeeE

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-19 Thread Andy Ross
Lee Elliott wrote: While I remember, if a YASim a/c only has one tank, the second tank - tank[1] - seems to be set with a 'nan' level. Doesn't stop the a/c engine from starting or running but it screws up the tot fuel figure. Setting the level for tank[1] to zero via the property browser

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-19 Thread Lee Elliott
On Tuesday 20 April 2004 01:58, Andy Ross wrote: Lee Elliott wrote: While I remember, if a YASim a/c only has one tank, the second tank - tank[1] - seems to be set with a 'nan' level. Doesn't stop the a/c engine from starting or running but it screws up the tot fuel figure. Setting the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-18 Thread Andy Ross
Vivian Meazza wrote: YASim crashes, or perhaps, fails to converge, just by attempting to run with takeoff-power=1100 takeoff-rpm=1360 Crashing and solution failure ought to be easily distinguished. :) Maybe the recent logging changes have hidden the failure message, I'll take a look. Try

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-18 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross wrote: Sent: 18 April 2004 19:04 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals Vivian Meazza wrote: YASim crashes, or perhaps, fails to converge, just by attempting to run with takeoff-power=1100 takeoff-rpm=1360

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-18 Thread Lee Elliott
On Sunday 18 April 2004 22:46, Vivian Meazza wrote: Andy Ross wrote: Sent: 18 April 2004 19:04 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals Vivian Meazza wrote: YASim crashes, or perhaps, fails to converge, just by attempting

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-18 Thread Andy Ross
Vivian Meazza wrote: With these values eng-power=1140 eng-rpm=2850 cruise-power=2850 cruise-rpm=1359 takeoff-power=1100 takeoff-rpm=1359 YASim appears go into a loop and provides no output. These settings don't make much sense in combination. The eng setting is a maximum power

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-17 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross wrote Vivian Meazza wrote: How do we set the reduction gearing ratio? Set the gear-ratio attribute of the propeller tag. This is the reduction ratio, so typical values will be less than 1.0. Can we do a constant speed propeller? The min-rpm and max-rpm attributes

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-17 Thread Andy Ross
Vivian Meazza wrote: wastegate-mp=18.32 [...] mp-osi = 26.050 - does the wastegate work? - is this psi? The units are absolute pressure in inches of mercury (I honestly don't know what the -osi suffix means). The wastegate should indeed work. However, it is an overpressure release valve. It

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-17 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross replied Vivian Meazza wrote: wastegate-mp=18.32 [...] mp-osi = 26.050 - does the wastegate work? - is this psi? The units are absolute pressure in inches of mercury (I honestly don't know what the -osi suffix means). The wastegate should indeed work. However, it is an

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-17 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross wrote Vivian Meazza wrote: wastegate-mp=18.32 [...] mp-osi = 26.050 - does the wastegate work? - is this psi? The units are absolute pressure in inches of mercury (I honestly don't know what the -osi suffix means). The wastegate should indeed work. However, it is an

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-03 Thread Vivian Meazza
Jonathan Richards On Wednesday 31 Mar 2004 11:09 am, Vivian Meazza wrote: snip I now have the Spitfire IIa model well underway. I have all the drawings and data I need (far too much probably). I've rather lost the bubble on the recent changes to the piston engine simulation in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-02 Thread Jonathan Richards
On Wednesday 31 Mar 2004 11:09 am, Vivian Meazza wrote: snip I now have the Spitfire IIa model well underway. I have all the drawings and data I need (far too much probably). I've rather lost the bubble on the recent changes to the piston engine simulation in YASim: Vivian The pictures here

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-04-01 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:47:15 +0100, Vivian wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:32:39 -0800, Andy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Vivian Meazza wrote: Thanks for all that: all looks good - the documentation has got a bit

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-03-31 Thread Vivian Meazza
Erik Hofman Sent: 13 March 2004 15:12 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals Erik Hofman wrote: http://home.clara.net/wolverine/BOB/misc/Spit_Hurri_Manuals.zip To get back to the original subject, this site has an aweful

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-03-31 Thread Lee Elliott
On Wednesday 31 March 2004 11:09, Vivian Meazza wrote: Erik Hofman Sent: 13 March 2004 15:12 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals Erik Hofman wrote: http://home.clara.net/wolverine/BOB/misc/Spit_Hurri_Manuals.zip

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-03-31 Thread Andy Ross
Vivian Meazza wrote: How do we set the reduction gearing ratio? Set the gear-ratio attribute of the propeller tag. This is the reduction ratio, so typical values will be less than 1.0. Can we do a constant speed propeller? The min-rpm and max-rpm attributes define the range of the blue

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-03-31 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross replied Sent: 31 March 2004 20:43 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals Vivian Meazza wrote: How do we set the reduction gearing ratio? Set the gear-ratio attribute of the propeller tag. This is the reduction

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-03-31 Thread Andy Ross
Vivian Meazza wrote: Thanks for all that: all looks good - the documentation has got a bit astern of station. Could you explain a bit more about the turbo attribute when used for a supercharger? Actually, the existing turbo-mul implementation is *more* like a supercharger than a real turbo.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-03-31 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:32:39 -0800, Andy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Vivian Meazza wrote: Thanks for all that: all looks good - the documentation has got a bit astern of station. Could you explain a bit more about the turbo attribute when used for a supercharger? Actually, the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-03-31 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross wrote Vivian Meazza wrote: Thanks for all that: all looks good - the documentation has got a bit astern of station. Could you explain a bit more about the turbo attribute when used for a supercharger? Actually, the existing turbo-mul implementation is *more* like a

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-03-31 Thread Vivian Meazza
Arnt Karlsen wrote On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:32:39 -0800, Andy wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Vivian Meazza wrote: Thanks for all that: all looks good - the documentation has got a bit astern of station. Could you explain a bit more about the turbo attribute when used

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-03-13 Thread Erik Hofman
Erik Hofman wrote: http://home.clara.net/wolverine/BOB/misc/Spit_Hurri_Manuals.zip To get back to the original subject, this site has an aweful lot of information on WWII warbirds, including performance charts: http://www.rdrop.com/users/hoofj/ Erik

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-03-12 Thread Chris Horler
Sorry I've not had the opportunity to reply to this earlier (holiday away on business). I was responsible for the spitfire model. Unfortunately the commitments of work and trying to have a social life didn't agree with continuing it. I hope to at some stage get some very detailed pictures

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Spitfire Hurricane manuals

2004-03-09 Thread Matthew Law
On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 21:52:04 -0500, David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And psychological warfare. From what I've read, the German flight crews were much more frightened of the Spitfires (and British RADAR guidance for interceptions made it look like there were many more planes than the

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