And, of course, there was Playground (a object oriented language made
completely from (richer) spreadsheet cells that we did for the Vivarium project
in the late 80s and early 90s).
Cheers,
Alan
From: John Zabroski johnzabro...@gmail.com
To: Fundamentals of
a similar distinction between invention/engineering and
research/science here:
http://computinged.wordpress.com/2010/04/23/alan-kay-on-hoping-that-simple-is-not-too-simple/#comment-2318
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Hi Frank,
This is iffy in American English usage (similarly as with the data is or
the data are ). In the UK (or ancient Rome) you would be quite correct.
But the US has both treatments of Latin plurals. (I'll admit to leaning towards
your choice most of the time ...)
Cheers,
Alan
Hi Kim,
A real flaw here is that our carefully made first page is not rendered well
in the pdf version. We need some special handling here to get it to look as
good as it did in MS Word.
Even though it's a pain, I would suggest just saying that this picture did not
transmogrify well into pdf
As the president of RAND said to the Air Force general Research is like
roulette, nothing counts until the ball drops!
From: Kevin DeGraaf ke...@degraaf-consulting.com
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 10:26:42 AM
Subject:
We don't plan to wind up using any one else's GC so I wouldn't worry.
From: DeNigris Sean s...@clipperadams.com
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 8:44:45 AM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Fonc on Mac Snow Leopard?
the
are
going and maybe also join forces in early stages might be interesting,
no? For instance there could be other people doing PoC work.
Thanks,
Jakob
Am 08.05.10 18:03, schrieb Alan Kay:
Glad you are interested, but don't hold your breath. We've got
quite a bit more to do this year.
It's
Hi Max,
Well, what properties do you think might be enormously problematic with stack
languages ?
Cheers,
Alan
From: Max OrHai max.or...@gmail.com
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 4:49:14 PM
Subject: [fonc] Other
-based platforms, because...
“Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.”
So just consider us forcing functions that could prove to be useful.
Kevin.
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote:
Thanks very much. Virtually all that is good about STEPS
Hi Dale et al.
This sounds like a great project, and I'd like to find out more. (Have you
looked at David Reed's 1978 MIT thesis on distributed transactional object
operating systems. In my opinion this was one of the very best next steps wrt
objects (and it was influenced by Actors)).
And
] - http://arxiv.org/abs/0907.3330
[2] - http://newspeaklanguage.org/
Am 09.05.10 01:06, schrieb Alan Kay:
By
the way, people on this list should look at Dan Ingalls' Lively Kernel.
(http://www.lively-kernel.org/)
Dan is also one of original authors of the NSF proposal for STEPS and
we claim
Anyone ever hear of Doug Engelbart? Ever type his name into Google? Ever looked
to see how the code and documentation for his system was organized?
Cheers,
Alan
From: BGB cr88...@hotmail.com
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Mon, May 10,
Me too. That was why I suggested that people on this list try to write these.
Cheers,
Alan
From: Dan Amelang daniel.amel...@gmail.com
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Mon, May 10, 2010 8:23:08 PM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Fonc on Mac Snow
Hi Carl
The bits for Sketchpad are still extant. Ivan has them.
Brian Silverman -- who has done a number of really good emulators of old
machines to run old software -- has tried for some years to get enough
information about the TX-2 from Wes Clark (and the Sketchpad bits) from Ivan to
get
For the amusement of the list.
.Actually only semi-ancient.
Here's a Scientific American article I was asked to write about computer
software in 1984. http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr1984001_comp_soft.pdf
There are a few hidden jokes along the way.
The stuff that is relevant to some of the
, Alan Kay wrote:
For the amusement of the list.
.Actually only semi-ancient.
Here's a Scientific American article I was asked to write about computer
software in 1984.http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr1984001_comp_soft.pdf
There are a few hidden jokes along the way.
The stuff that is relevant
Thoreau said We become the tools of our tools; McLuhan: We become what we
behold.
Both are scary, but the latter one has some hope in it, if we could make
something that by beholding it we would become better.
And technology literally means anything that humans make so ideas count here
also
Actually, Nin got her quote from the Talmud
From: Ryan Mitchley r...@peralex.com
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 9:40:45 AM
Subject: Re: [fonc] goals
Alan Kay wrote:
McLuhan: We become what we behold.
We don't
Once a project gets going it usually winds up with a few more goals than those
that got it started -- partly because the individual researchers bring their
own
perspectives to the mix.
But the original goals of STEPS were pretty simple and longstanding. They came
from thinking that the size
Maxwell's
Equations for Computer Science on a t-shirt.
[1] http://media.cs.uiuc.edu/seminars/StateFarm-Kay-2009-10-22a.asx
[2] http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/3265#comment-48129
[3] http://toddsatogata.net/
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote:
One of my all time
Hi Casey,
We still have a lot of work to do before we have a kernel of stuff that we'll
be
happy to answer questions about. Frank is still in intensive care, but we are
working to get him off his respirator and heart machine!
Cheers,
Alan
From: Casey
to compare to.)
I had not heard of Carver Mead's book before. I just picked it up via an
online
used books store. Thanks.
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi Eric (and all)
I read this a few years ago and I really wanted to like this book much more
than
I did
way better?
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote:
The Alto did not have a lot of transistors in it, but was a very fine
meta-machine, so one might think about how to posit an even simpler Alto, but
that would still have its meta-capabilities. The Mead-Conway
fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Mon, January 3, 2011 2:59:51 PM
Subject: Re: [fonc] The Elements of Computing Systems
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote:
Please say more ...
The Alto didn't have any hardware for this ... nor did it have any regular
code
A nice Goethe quote: We should all share in the excitement of discovery
without
vain attempts to claim priority.
So we can be happy that Chuck Moore did a few things when he did, without
worrying about when the ideas first appeared. Computing -- like natural science
-- has always been ripe
I love this!
Cheers,
Alan
From: Casey Ransberger casey.obrie...@gmail.com
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 10:51:12 AM
Subject: [fonc] Visual 6502
This is kind of cool. They took a 6502, X-rayed it, vectorized the
It is indeed a reference to human universals. These are traits and drives
found in every culture, and originally were identified in the 3000 or so
traditional cultures studied by Anthropologists.
For example, every culture examined has a language, stories, kinship, status
and
power, a
There are several books on various kinds of visual programming.
A lot of this territory was explored in the ARPA-IPTO research community in the
60s.
Sketchpad (used the idea of fusing visual constraints to the Sketchpad
drawings)
Online Graphical Procedures (an early graphical dataflow system
It is worth a mention, but it was not done by Viewpoints folks in current or
previous incarnations
Cheers,
Alan
From: John Nilsson j...@milsson.nu
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 10:10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [fonc]
and quite pretty in a dynamic language.
Cheers,
Alan
From: Duncan Mak duncan...@gmail.com
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Cc: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com
Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 9:46:20 AM
Subject: Re: [fonc] visual environments created
I think he means The Analyst that was done at Xerox PARC and XEOS for the CIA
Cheers,
Alan
From: Kim Rose kim.r...@vpri.org
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 3:02:11 PM
Subject: Re: [fonc] visual environments created by
Hi John
I don't think I would call the Analyst visual programming. (And you are right
that to this day most people can't see what a spreadsheet really is (or is
trying to be). I think the real interest of the Analyst was that it was early
and good thinking about what easily programmable visual
become
kinda like variables...
That one simple thing makes them so much more awesome.
Julian.
On 08/04/2011, at 10:55 PM, Alan Kay wrote:
Hi John
I don't think I would call the Analyst visual programming. (And you are
right
that to this day most people can't see what a spreadsheet really
:46 PM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote:
It does that all the time. An easy way to do it is to make up a universal
semantics, perhaps in AST form, then write translators into and out of.
Cheers,
Alan
From: Julian Leviston jul...@leviston.net
.
You guys rock :) I just wanna take this opportunity to give thanks that there
are still people like you who are continuing this sort of things for the good
of
us all.
Julian.
On 09/04/2011, at 7:46 AM, Alan Kay wrote:
It does that all the time. An easy way to do it is to make up a universal
These approaches are always fun to look at.
A good question here is whether this many-level scheme is better than to pick
something like a simple Lisp-like or OMeta-like language (e.g. it came from
Meta
II, which is really simple) that can output machine code and simply hand
translate the
P. S. I was presuming that people on this list are reading FONC related stuff
on
the VPRI writings page ...
But just in case, please check out a few of Ian's recent papers on minimal
direct to machine code schemes.
Cheers,
Alan
From: Alan Kay alan.n
of New Computing fonc@vpri.org; jamie.dougl...@boeing.com
Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 8:21:06 PM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Question about OMeta
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote:
But now you are adding some side conditions :)
For example, if you want comparable or even
] Question about OMeta
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 12:09 AM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote:
The larger problems will require something like negotiation between modules
(this idea goes back to some of the agent ideas at PARC, and was partially
catalyzed by the AM and Eurisko work by Doug Lenat
Ian, as an excellent musician, is making the big important point here ... that
musical time is not about integer ratios.
It is often wrongly taught that way, but it is actually about meaning,
pulse, emphasis, and phrasing.
Musical notation is not a program to be followed literally, but hints
The main features of the Alto were a terrific combination of speed, parsimony,
and architecture.
-- Speed came from bipolar transistors. It had a 150ns microinstruction time.
-- Parsimony allowed these to be economic enough for a 1972 personal
computer/workstation (we eventually built almost
the same approach to
networked-based application as Gezira did with graphics (or the STEP project in
general) as far assessing what's needed in a modern Internet-scale hypermedia
architecture.
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Merik Voswinkel a...@knoware.nl wrote:
Dr Alan Kay addressed the html
This issues were in conversations in the mid-60s when I was in grad school.
One difference was that there was a computer (and more being thought of) -- the
Burroughs B5000 -- that removed one of the motivations for static typing -- it
implemented byte codes and 0 overhead dynamic type checking
the world. Numbers would be in that
category, they deserve to be treated specially. In the same vein, I think
mathematical operators deserve special treatment, and not just from an under
the covers, optimization point of view.
Thank you,
Florin
From: Alan Kay
Hi David
I've always been very fond of APL also -- and a slightly better and more
readable syntax could be devised these days now that things don't have to be
squeezed onto an IBM Selectric golfball ...
Cheers,
Alan
From: David Leibs david.le...@oracle.com
learned - very eye opening.
-david
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi David
I've always been very fond of APL also -- and a slightly better and more
readable syntax could be devised these days now that things don't have to be
squeezed onto an IBM Selectric
techniques for
making APL efficient colorfully named beating and drag-along.
-djl
On Jun 5, 2011, at 7:50 PM, Alan Kay wrote:
I think this one was derived from Phil Abrams' Stanford (and SLAC) PhD thesis
on
dynamic analysis and optimization of APL -- a very nice piece of work! (Maybe
Hi Subbu
Check out when Jules Schwartz actual did Jovial. And the acronym was actually
Jules' Own Version of the International Algebraic Language
Cheers,
Alan
From: K. K. Subramaniam kksubbu...@gmail.com
To: fonc@vpri.org
Cc: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com
,
Alexis
On 5 June 2011 01:33, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote:
I like Maude (and most of the stuff done by or influenced by Joe Goguen).
However, it is basically a term rewriting system that can overlap a bit with
equational semantics. Nothing wrong with that, but much of it is essentially
Great subject and looks very interesting!
Cheers,
Alan
From: C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Wed, June 15, 2011 2:44:56 PM
Subject: [fonc] Narrative Interfaces
We're having some invited talks this
Hi Chris
I think looking at the way biology works is a good perspective. By the way, we
recycle not just the 10 trillion cells that contain our DNA (and the 90
Trillion
cells we have with microbial DNA/RNA), but all our *atoms* are replaced about
every 7 years (with the exception of inorganic
Thanks for the references to The Chemoton Theory -- I hadn't seen this before.
But I didn't understand your reference to Bergson -- wasn't he an adherent of
the Elan Vital as a necessary part of what is life? and that also drove
evolution in particular directions.
Cheers,
Alan
What the one-celled microbes said before the Cambrian ...
From: karl ramberg karlramb...@gmail.com
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Sun, July 17, 2011 11:31:11 AM
Subject: [fonc] Last programming language
Hi
Here is a interesting video
Hi Brad,
The Nile language of Dan Amelang -- which STEPS uses for graphics -- should be
both powerful and revealing to students for making acoustic models and
processes
of many kinds. We haven't gotten around to playing with sound om Nile yet.
Thanks to Alex Warth and Bert Freudenberg, there
The idea of using a grammar to create a user interface goes back at least as
far
as Engelbart's AHI group. They used a distant past cousin of OMeta (called Tree
Meta) to do this. Ca. 1966.
One of the first systems to specify and make graphical grammars (and UIs) via
user interactions was
Computing fonc@vpri.org
Cc: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Sun, July 24, 2011 1:59:02 AM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Re: [squeak-dev] [ANN] Alan Kay to talk about Next steps
for qualitatively improving programming at HPI in Potsdam
Dr. Kay,
Thank you for giving this talk. Do you recall
...@gmail.com
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Cc: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com
Sent: Sun, July 24, 2011 5:39:26 AM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Alan Kay talk at HPI in Potsdam
Hi Alan,
as usual, it was inspiring talking to your colleagues and hearing you speak at
Potsdam. I think I finally got
! Where are we? In some Danteish 9th Circle of Fumbling?
Cheers,
Alan
From: Thiago Silva tsi...@sourcecraft.info
To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com; Fundamentals of New Computing
fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Sun, July 24, 2011 1:41:33 PM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Alan Kay talk at HPI
/Development_of_a_Multidisplay_Time-Shared_Computer_Facility_Apr68.pdf
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 11:39 PM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote:
The idea of using a grammar to create a user interface goes back at least as
far as Engelbart's AHI group. They used a distant past cousin of OMeta
(called
Sent: Mon, July 25, 2011 1:59:03 PM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Alan Kay talk at HPI in Potsdam
On 07/25/2011 09:35 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
I did ask in that thread about exposing the CPU, a la NativeClient. (It's a
usenet group so you can post without subscribing, nice)
Short answer
The argument about mass popularity is good if all you want to do is triumph
in
the consumer products business (c.f. many previous raps I've done about the
anthropological human universals and how and why technological amplifiers for
them have been and will be very popular).
This is because
,
Le 25 juil. 2011 à 10:08, Alan Kay a écrit :
I don't know of an another attempt to build a whole system with wide
properties
in DSLs. But it wouldn't surprise me if there were some others around. It
requires more design effort, and the tools to make languages need to be
effective and as easy
: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com
Sent: Sat, July 30, 2011 3:09:39 PM
Subject: Re: [fonc] HotDraw's Tool State Machine Editor
On Thursday 28 Jul 2011 10:27:26 PM Alan Kay wrote:
Well, we don't absolutely need music notation, but it really helps many
things. We don't need the various notations
of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Physics and Types
Oh awesome! Thank you both. That's got to be one of the single most
profound uses of computers I've ever run across.
Warm regards,
~Simon
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Alan Kay alan.n
, Aug 05, 2011 at 03:43:04AM -0700, BGB wrote:
On 8/4/2011 6:19 PM, Alan Kay wrote:
Here's the link to the paper
[1]http://www.vpri.org/pdf/rn2005001_learning.pdf
inference:
it is not that basic math and physics are fundamentally so difficult to
understand
Take a look at Landin's papers and especially ISWIM (The next 700 programming
languages)
You don't so much want to learn Lisp as to learn the idea of Lisp
Cheers,
Alan
From: karl ramberg karlramb...@gmail.com
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
One way to try to think about the idea of Lisp and the larger interesting
issues, is to read the Advice Taker paper by John McCarthy (ca. 56-58
Programs With Common Sense) which is what got him thinking about interactive
intelligent agents, and got him to start thinking about creating a
ight travel, cool space ship, 3d printers, alien super brain race that had disappeared (the Krell), monsters from the ID.To me Lisp is like
something created by the Krell. "As though my ape's brain could contain the secrets of the Krell."I asked John if he had seen the movie and he had.
(For example)
Try to imagine a system where the parts only receive messages but never
explicitly send them.
This is one example of what I meant when I requested that computer people pay
more attention to what is in between the parts, than to the parts -- the
Japanese have a great short word
I'm glad that he has finally come to appreciate OOP.
Cheers,
Alan
From: Jakob Praher ja...@praher.info
To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com; Fundamentals of New Computing
fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Ceres and Oberon
Subject: [fonc] Re: Ceres and Oberon
Alan Kay wrote:
I'm glad that he has finally come to appreciate OOP.
There are two kinds of people on this list. Those who can tell when Alan
is joking and those that can't. :-D
Don't know which I am but I can at least say that the OOP that is in
Oberon
From: Eduardo Cavazos wayo.cava...@gmail.com
To: fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 12:54 AM
Subject: [fonc] Re: Ceres and Oberon
Alan Kay wrote:
I'm glad that he has finally come to appreciate OOP.
There are two kinds of people on this list. Those who can
From: Jecel Assumpcao Jr. je...@merlintec.com
To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com; Fundamentals of New Computing
fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Re: Ceres and Oberon
Alan,
thanks for the detailed history!
1966 was the year I entered grad school (having
I'm so glad I never read this before (and am looking for ways to forget that I
just did )
Cheers,
Alan
From: John Zabroski johnzabro...@gmail.com
To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com; Fundamentals of New Computing
fonc@vpri.org
Cc: Jecel Assumpcao Jr. je
PhDs in the 60s when he was an ARPA funder).
Cheers,
Alan
From: Jecel Assumpcao Jr. je...@merlintec.com
To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com
Cc: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 3:17 PM
Subject: a little more FLEXibility
=93gCOAAACAAJ
Cheers,
Alan
From: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com
To: Jecel Assumpcao Jr. je...@merlintec.com
Cc: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: a little more FLEXibility (was: [fonc] Re: Ceres
I hate to be the one to bring this up, but this has always been a feature of
all the Smalltalks ... one has to ask, what is there about current general
practice that makes this at all remarkable? ...
Cheers,
Alan
From: Murat Girgin gir...@gmail.com
To:
We've already discussed this in other contexts. This is what I meant when I
talked about levels of meta and why invoking a function is more benign than
using a global assignment (which is tantamount to redefining a function under
program control), etc.
And certainly to allow unprotected
Yep.
Cheers,
Alan
From: David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com
To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Tension between meta-object protocol and encapsulation
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:48 PM,
Schumacher dale.schumac...@gmail.com
Cc: Programming Language Design pi...@googlegroups.com; The Friday Morning
Applied Complexity Coffee Group fr...@redfish.com;
computational-actors-gu...@googlegroups.com
computational-actors-gu...@googlegroups.com; Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com;
Fundamentals
loved that little system. This led to the ST-72
eval really being a kind of cascaded apply ...
And there's no question that once
you aim at real objects a distributed eval makes great sense.
Cheers,
Alan
From: Carl Hewitt hew...@concurrency.biz
To: Alan Kay
looking to hear more from Alan Kay -- you'll find a talk
from him and several other big names in computer science here -- thanks to
San Jose State University.
http://www.sjsu.edu/atn/services/webcasting/archives/fall_2011/hist/computing.html
-- Kim
to be used).
Cheers,
Alan
From: Casey Ransberger casey.obrie...@gmail.com
To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com; Fundamentals of New Computing
fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [fonc] History of computing talks at SJSU
Below.
On Dec
Yes, Jack was a driving force and quite a character in so many ways.
Cheers,
Alan
From: Long Nguyen cgb...@gmail.com
To: fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:47 AM
Subject: [fonc] PARC founder Jacon Goldman dies at 90
Hi Jecel
In the difference between research and engineering department I think I would
first port a version of Smalltalk to this system.
One of the fun side-projects done in the early part of the Squeak system was
when John Maloney and a Berkeley grad student ported Squeak to a luggage tag
...@loup-vaillant.fr
To: fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 1:29 AM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi
Jecel Assumpcao Jr. wrote:
Alan Kay wrote:
We have done very little of this so far, and very few optimizations. We can
give
live dynamic demos in part because Dan Amelang's Nile
--
for Problem Oriented Languages) is why we took this approach.
Cheers,
Alan
From: Loup Vaillant l...@loup-vaillant.fr
To: fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Raspberry Pi
Alan Kay wrote:
Hi Loup
Actually, your last guess
Hi Julian
I should probably comment on this, since it seems that the STEPS reports
haven't made it clear enough.
STEPS is a science experiment not an engineering project.
It is not at all about making and distributing an operating system etc., but
about trying to investigate the tradeoffs
to
receive messages, but should not have to send to explicit receivers. This is a
kind of multi-cast I guess (but I think of it more like publish/subscribe).
Cheers,
Alan
From: Tony Garnock-Jones tonygarnockjo...@gmail.com
To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com
Hi Tony
I like what the BOOM/BLOOM people are doing quite a bit. Their version of
Datalog + Time is definitely in accord with lots of our prejudices ...
Cheers,
Alan
From: Tony Garnock-Jones tonygarnockjo...@gmail.com
To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com
Cc
trying to compile COLA
Alan Kay wrote:
Hi Loup
As I've said and written over the years about this project, it is not
possible to compare features in a direct way here.
Yes, I'm aware of that. The problem rises when I do advocacy. A
response I often get is but with only 20,000 lines
Hi Reuben
Yep. One of the many finesses in the STEPS project was to point out that
requiring OSs to have drivers for everything misses what being networked is all
about. In a nicer distributed systems design (such as Popek's LOCUS), one would
get drivers from the devices automatically, and
of these ideas were done better later. I think by Leler, and
certainly by Joe Goguen, and others.
Cheers,
Alan
From: Jakob Praher ja...@praher.info
To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com; Fundamentals of New Computing
fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:52 PM
don't know. It could even be domain-dependent.)
I agree however that having both (POLs + tools) would be much better,
and is definitely worth pursuing. I'll think about it.
Loup.
Alan Kay wrote:
With regard to your last point -- making POLs -- I don't think we are
there yet. It is most
From: Duncan Mak duncan...@gmail.com
To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com; Fundamentals of New Computing
fonc@vpri.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA
Hello Alan,
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Alan Kay alan.n
Hi Loup
Someone else said that about links.
Browsing about either knowing where you are (and going) and/or about dealing
with a rough max of 100 items. After that search is necessary.
However, Ted Nelson said a lot in each of the last 5 decades about what kinds
of linking do the most good.
My friend Peter Norvig is the Director of Research at Google.
I told him that I had heard of an astounding jump in the penetration of
Chrome.
He says the best numbers they have at present is that Chrome is 20% to 30%
penetrated ...
Cheers,
Alan
Admins might believe.
On Feb 29, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Alan Kay wrote:
Windows (especially) is so porous that SysAdmins (especially in school
districts) will not allow teachers to download .exe files. This wipes out the
Squeak plugin that provides all the functionality.
But there is still the browser
/iPad has persuaded them
that this will be (commercially) viable as a model for general public
distribution of trustable software.
In that world, the Squeak plugin could be certified as safe to download in a
way that System Admins might believe.
On Feb 29, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Alan Kay wrote
Hi Scott
This seems like a plan that should be done and tried and carefully evaluated. I
think the approach is good. It could be not quite enough to work, but it
should give rise to a lot of useful information for further passes at this.
1. Psychologist O.K. Moore in the early 60s at Yale and
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