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Hello Johnson,
You are free to post this on FD-Devel. They should see it.
...
If Auer/DeVore/Ehlert/Lucho/Hall believe I would ever help THEM again,
after all the ABUSE directed at me on FD-User and FD-Devel, they truly
have LOST THEIR MARBLES!!!
I'm tired/annoyed/pissed by this ellis guy,
Hello Johnson,
If you still insist ignoring the technical advise, I'll care no
more, it only cause the users who lost their data mourn and grinning
their teeth.
technical advise is welcome.
Jack just want to warn about the FDXMS/HIMEM interrupt not locking
simply need to change, yet a
Hello Lester,
I noticed that the sequence at which the commands are actually
executed (hit F8 at boot time) is different for TDSK.EXE and for
SHSURDRV.EXE. It looks like shsurdrv insists on loading after nansi.sys and
set commands.
that's a kernel feature:
INSTALL=...
is executed AFTER
The date of release is official - BUT I don't think it is a problem if
the release will be some days later. ;-)
I don't think it is a problem if it's not released until
INSTALL trashed my working computer
gets solved. And what I get from the discussion, the possibility for
this seems to
or was missing on 25'th july
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Hello Eric,
I ran your SHARE in DOSEMU. It indeed insists that the
DOS version is 6.22, and it does something bad:
0439:0adb B452 mov ah,0x52
0439:0add CD21 int 0x21
0439:0adf 26C6060303FF mov es:[0303],0xff
0439:0ae5 FA cli
0439:0ae6
Hello Norbert,
But there are still some systems, where the machine completely stops
responding when initializing the network.
some network clients don't work if loaded into UMB memory; they also
don't work with MSDOS emm386
So, for your testing I applied for a fully functional test version
card related.
what card are you using ?
You should also be prepared to send/sponsor this network card to
Michael
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Hello Japheth,
May you show examples? Starting from minimal void main(){}, then with
printf(Hello, world!\n), then something more complex? With OW 1.6:
a dummy main and a hello world main are utterly irrelevant if you want to
compare size/speed optimisations (leaving CRT aside).
right
When calling mem.exe /all, I get told, that FreeDOS is using HMA,
but that there is still 11Kbytes (11359 bytes) free within HMA.
Is it possible to load some drivers into this free area of HMA or
to use it in some way?
you can't load anything there (but some smart software could use it)
That
Hello charles,
The FreeDOS kernel doesn't seem to want anything to do with
the SCSI int 13h extensions and completely ignores them.
Which SCSI int 13 extensions, and why would they be useful ?
the kernel DOES support drives up to 2 TB
This also includes loading an ASPI driver.
there's no
Hello francesco,
hello, help me please
how running freedos with a kwyboard wireless (USB)
BIOS settings - 'enable legacy support' for USB devices or something
similar
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Hello Japheth,
Dos is much more than a FAT driver
Do you talk about the date/time functions? :)
FAT code is a big part of kernels footprint, but certainly not
the biggest part. Look into yhe kernel map.
but a JEMMX plugin version of DOSLFN would be an idea...
why should this be better than
Hello Eric,
It does allow to convert any PC with 2 network connections into a simple
router, and thus it would give FreeDOS another usage on a machine.
While this is indeed a very fancy use for DOS, I would like
to remind you that a typical router (with built-in DSL modem
and other stuff)
Moving a 16 Bit DOS program that uses far pointers *extensively* to a
32 bit world comes close to rewriting it (and redebugging it with a
zillion crazy programs).
Only if the 16-bit program has a very bad design! :)
Sorry; I was talking about the kernel. Just try searching for MK_FP()
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(Can't remember if the DOS country codes are the ones used in
telephony, but in such case, it's definitely 34).
Aitor
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country=33 (spain) would be perfekt
We (many people in this list) espent months testing himem and emm386
from Michael Devore. Are those two just a bugfix from *that* well tested
version or is it descendent from somewhere else?
As for HimemX: there are 12 bugfixes and some optimizations, all described in
the readme.txt.
After
1) downloaded fdbasecd.iso
2) used MagicISO to add two files to its structure (it is the bios flash
utility and new bios)
3) saved the fdbasecd.iso and burned it without any problems.
What I don't understand is why FreeDOS offers me the Run FreeDOS
from CD-ROM option only when there is no
And have a Shared Folder to
communicate the WinXP with FreeDOS, without using TCP / IP is possible
from the 'virtaul maschine additions', search FSHARE.COM
start this in the VM
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Hi Ulrich,
So on the driver side, PKT and ODI drivers fade out, which only
leaves NDIS2.
And packet driver over NDIS
Which means we are stuck with MS Client / LAN Manager
Client. Unless there is some new free networking software for DOS.
this is unrelated.
NDIS (or packet driver) is a
1) 4DOS in FreeDOS 1.1: Will it - the package - have the structure
of directory as the other programs? Or not? (freecom is in the
root-directory...)
You are right - FreeCOM should be moved to the BIN directory.
At the moment, a FreeCOM in your own selected language is made
(by concatenating
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yesterday I made a USB pendrive bootable and installed FreeDOS with
latest drivers...
Access of the USB-Stick is very slow
Many (Most) BIOS's only enable it as an USB 1.1 drive.
sometimes (not often) using a different USB port helps make it a USB
2.0 stick
Tom
this will also happen, if you write the disk using USB adapters, then
plug it to a physical IDE adapter
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ifshelp.sys is already devicehigh and most of the net tools LH. Still...
If I want to start Arachne I am out of conventional memory. Also did try
all different memory managers already.
Can someone please be so kind an contribute some example configuration
files for network + arachne so I see
Also strange... If I unpack the iso on XP then I see just a single txt
file, no other files.
this is the 'CD' part; use IsoBuster to look into the 'Bootable' part
(2,8 MB Floppy emulation)
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For my lots of my applications (both, console and graphical) I need some
tiny menu with sub menus so I don't need to input the name in shell myself.
It must be a 100 % compatible app starter. (No memory hog while running
some application, start application and terminate the app starter
Any non Windows applications, better said any pure DOS legacy
application should work on FreeDOS the same way it would work on MS-DOS?
(this test on same hardware of course)
right. we (the kernel and emm386/himem developers) put a lot of effort
into exactly this.
after that, we declared the
For CD-ROM there are a lot of drivers, try xcdrom.
could be S-ATA CDROM. then he'n need gcdrom or UIDE
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What I'm wondering is, beyond software to read COCO disks under dos is
there software that will allow me to replace the disk drives via a
serial link to my dos machine?
The free FileMaven file manager has a link mode where you can start
the program on two DOS computers and transfer files
What I'm wondering is, beyond software to read COCO disks under dos is
there software that will allow me to replace the disk drives via a
serial link to my dos machine?
The free FileMaven file manager has a link mode where you can start
the program on two DOS computers and transfer
The network adapter on my computer is:
Realtek RTL8211B 10/100/1000 Ethernet
RTL8211B is a 'PHYceiver' (only the electrical stuff);
youre network card is something different (and most likely not a
NE2000 chip, either)
Tom
2) I see no way for type cyrillic char 'р' (hex E0) in
the command prompt. Got empty space instead of desired 'р'.
In 4dos.
And FreeCOM too. By the way, in DR-DOS with the same 4dos I have
desired char in command promt.
What make you think this command interpreter bug?
I'm sure on 100% -
Hallo Herr Eric Auer,
That was not clear from your previous mail. However, here is the
relevant bit of code from kernel readkey / ConRead / KbdRdChar:
- if AL is returned as E0, return AL as 0 if AH is not 0 else
that's simply a bug.
the BIOS will never return E0 as the char code
Well
the Dawicontrol DC-154 PCI SATA RAID card.
Surprisingly, it says that this low end
controller supports RAID 5 - and MS DOS!
Up to 4 disks, SATA/150, Sil3114 chip...
Can use LBA48 and 33 and 66 MHz PCI bus.
RAID 0, 1, 0+1, 5, JBOD, with flash BIOS
Can anybody confirm this? Or does this
I'm talking about non-FAT DOS block devices. This especially includes
(beside Int13 devices) any SCSI/USB/whatever device that is _not_
accessible through Int13 (and therefore invisible to usual Int13-only
local filesystem redirectors).
no idea what you are talking about.
as a matter of
Hope you don't mind me to ask, why didn't you rather contribute to FreeDOS?
But he DOES contribute to FreeDOS: once the few remaining bugs are fixed in
the RxDOS kernel, it will replace the inferior current FD kernel.
why do you think that the RxDOS kernel is superior - besides having
many
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That was the case with the unstable DOS-C version 2037 (which
had many features version 2036 and the upcoming 2038 don't have).
I forgot to mention:
2038 is 'upcoming' since about 2 years. it's probable stable (the last
changes were done by Bart, no Arkady in sight ), most likely better then
Does anybody know why we assumed that all compilers except
MS C (which almost nobody uses for the kernel) would init
BSS to 0, while at least the often-used OpenWatcom does not?
a) ALL compilers initialize BSS to 0
b) ALL compilers do this in the RTL startup code
c) there is no RTL startup
Yes, but that appends only one file. Appending two files to the kernel
raises the need to find where the second file begins. (If possible without
unreliable signature searchs.)
using the SYS CONFIG mechanism, you could easily have
SYS CONFIG /AndThe1stAttachedFileIsHasSize12345
but there are good news, too: as there is no development going on,
there's no urgent need to test ;)
With automated testing those who want to could reactivate
the unstable branch and stabilize it, for example...
it might show that it's unstable. fixing it is an entirely different
story.
Originally it was 3.3
...
Later we got UMB
and HMA
which are very useful so
we aimed for 5.0 kernel compatibility. Remember
that 5.0 and 6.22 basically have the same kernel.
Just a bit compatible?
yes and no. and irrelevant.
the goal followed by the kernel programmers was
both
' make
LFN for FAT and for NTFS are working stable in Linux. Could a FreeDOS
developer grab this free knowledge from Linux and improve DOSLFN this way?
very unlikely. Linux drivers are too different from DOS kernel or DOS
TSR to be useful
Tom
Adding LFN support directly to the kernel could have a much larger
impact. In reality, the first step is always a Cease Desist letter -
which usually means stop distributing the offending parts. Where LFN
remains with DOSLFN (an external TSR) we simply remove DOSLFN from
ibiblio and from our
Will that suppress the constant warnings that UAC is turned off tho?
this is DEFINITIVELY the wrong mailing list to ask these questions.
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Because running Win32 console applications are not reliable in HX. I have a
few of them on my own FreeDOS machine, and they don't really run very well.
is that your entry to the ever lasting 'WORST BUG REPORT EVER'
competition ? in that case, consider yourself a front runner.
and - BTW -
Please remove Arachne from Freedos 1.1
Please leave this list.
I second this.
this entire discussiopn is a waste of bandwidth.
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Anyone these days using UHCI?
Yes. PCs are randomly distributed as UHCI and OHCI, acording to chip-set
manufacturer.
unlikely. while O/UHCI is certainly fast enough for
keyboards/mice/printers(?), noone want to have different USB ports in
he same computer
plug your USB stick/external
I picked up a packet driver for the D845PEBT2 built in nic, but
whether it's wget or lynx, trying to execute the application simply
causes the computer to reset.
don't use EMM386
Microsoft client is what I need, but there are no free ndis
drivers for my built in Intel nic.
Does
does freedos support iscsi as a client (initiator)?
if your BIOS supports it, yes.
basically, if you can boot any OS from iSCSI, freedos will work, too.
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if you like the idea of a multitasking DOS, just get DeskView,
and see if you like the idea of a multitasking DOS as much as we
(you and me) did in ~1990
Yes indeed. But then, there clearly are some skilled people working on
FreeDOS!
sorry, no. there is clearly nobody *working* on FreeDOS
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Thank you for your answer, but I'm afraid you have to spell it out.
There is no kernel.sys in the Balder image - at least not any that can
be seen by a ls -al or find.
the 'at least' part is important. and moving kernel.sys into a
subdirectory is a bad idea
Tom
Some older machines
(e.g. this) require an specific cluster size in order
to use LBA.
The BIOS doesn't know anything about cluster sizes.
right (doesn't know and doesn't care)
Maybe you mean sector
sizes? Almost all floppy and hard disks have a sector size of 512 byte.
Expect problems
What he is looking for is a TSR which provides x87 emulation ...
right
Best chance would probably is if any author of the EMM386 versions
around here could comment and eventually work with him together to
fix any incompatibilities...
as the original author:
goto EBAY, spend ~10 USD for really
Hallo Herr Lee Eric,
am 17. März 2011 um 15:21 schrieben Sie:
Hi,
I download UIDE driver and try to make it work but when system boots
it will hang when UIDE driver loads. Here's AUTOEXEC.BAT contents:
@echo off
SET dosdir=C:\FDOS
REM C:\FDOS\BIN\BANNER2
REM C:\FDOS\BIN\BLACKOUT
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See HP, Dell, Asus, etc. They all happen to ship FreeDOS on their systems.
See HP, Dell, Asus, and you will learn quickly that FreeDOS is a
synonym for 'without operating system', intended for people that
install their own OS (which is most likely NOT FreeDOS)
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at
We (well, at least I) have a severe dilemma going on here.
let's call it 'disagreement'
int 15.4f is supposed to be called from the BIOS from the INT 09
handler, and NOBODY else.
Obviously, MS believes that INT 15.4F can be called from outside
INT 09, based on what they've published on
use the 8042 keyboard controller command 0xd2 to simulate scancode
received. that's documented (again in the IBM technical reference)
this will simulate a scancode all the way through interrupt handler,
int15.4f, ...
That is exactly what I call Method 1 does. The problem is,
function
are you sure 200 is enough ?
this should *ALWAYS* succeed, so IMHO it might be worth trying 0x
instead. (and you nowhere log if this test fails)
I can also imagine some situations where CLI might hurt ('flaky').
in particular if some data are still in the keyboard receive buffer
(for
I personally think that the invention of
INT 15.4F was a mistake, though I'm sure IBM thought it was a really good
idea, at least at the time.
I personally think that the invention of
INT 15.4F was a fantastic idea; actually it was really necessary.
DOS is supposed to use the BIOS for all
Hi Eduardo,
I'm pleased to announce the availability of the first version of
VMSMOUNT, an installable file system for DOS that allows access to
VMware's shared folders as a normal drive letter:
it simply woks as advertised
it doesn't leave unused clutter loaded as TSR
Hi Eduardo,
sorry; pressed the send key too early ;)
I'm pleased to announce the availability of the first version of
VMSMOUNT, an installable file system for DOS that allows access to
VMware's shared folders as a normal drive letter:
it simply works as advertised
it doesn't leave unused
Eduardo,
bug ro feature ? I don't see any files with long filenames.
Shouldn't they be visible with their short filenames
filena~1.exe
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Hi,
THE HELP-COMMAND SCREEN FILE HAS IMPROVED WELL.
BUT IT STILL NEEDS ONE THING:
UNDER THE TOPIC SHELL AND SHELLHIGH,
THE SWITCHES
/F and
/MSG
NEED TO BE DOCUMENTED,
SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO FIDDLE WITH THE SWITCHES TO SEE HOW THEY WORK.
both are related to the non-XMS-swapping
(see #03171)
ES:DX - FAR routine (see #03172)
you should terminate with
CX=0
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1). I wouldn't use the PIT, sounds unreliable,
using the PIT can be made reliable; has worked flawless for over 20
years since some 80286
but then again, I don't know how anyways. ;-)
3). RDTSC (586+) is probably not what you want, esp. due to early
586-686 time duration limitations and
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be executed
P.S. On the contrary: to 4DOS could be added line completion, which
works nicely in FreeCon.
nobody's perfect ;)
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11. April 2012 um 21:23, dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote
Current machines won't *boot* DOS, but will *run* it in a
compatibility box, emulator or virtual machine.
I wonder what you are talking about.
current machines *do* boot DOS, and mosty likely will continue to do
so for the
Hi!
howto says to edit autoexec.bat changing the line REM LH PCNTPK
INT=0x60 to LH PCNTPK INT=0x60. This didn't work for me.
please take the time and report the drivers error message.
if needed place a
PAUSE
command below the
LH PCNTPK INT=0x60
line.
this could be a problem between the
I recently put FreeDOS on my laptop that has built in wireless. I tried to
see if the BIOS on the computer would let me know what the packet driver
name was or where, but it didn't. So I was wondering how to find it or how
to scan for what type of driver to get, or something. I tried just
Jack,
The issue is that VirtualBox is not posting diskette media-change
status in the BIOS data table.
the 'issue' is that VirtualBox clearly states
'floppy without change-line support'
int13/15 returns '01h floppy without change-line support
int13/16 returns '06h change line active or
Given how UIDE/UIDE2's diskette I-O has never been a problem BUT
for VirtualBox, I will keep UIDE/UIDE2 as-is.
this is going nowhere. Jack is right and everybody else is a bloody
idiot.
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Hi Marcos ,
So where exactly is the file server that's storing the data
file(s) in this scenario? Is it on the doctor's PC, assistant's
PC, or some other location?
In another location.
could you be more specific about
1) where is the database located (not geografically, but what machine)
I remember databases benefitting from a high amount of file handles,
not 'benefit'. for some problems, many handles are needed, otherwise
the database will not work at all.
there is NEVER spurious problems caused by too many handles.
but likely that's already being taken care of by caching
I'm running FreeDOS, but yes, Linux is a possibility. This
database project started modestly in 2006, but now the Health
Center is relying more and more on it, so I want it to be very
safe.
in that case don't gamble with untested share.exe
Still I would definitely prefer to stay with FreeDOS
Tom Ehlert t...@drivesnapshot.de wrote:
try using MSDOS or linux (or even Windows) for the
'server' machine, and see if the problema go away
I did the test with MS-DOS in the server and FreeDOS in the
client.
The problem vanished.
I even used MODE con rate=32 which is the fastest
conclusion: don't use FreeDOS as a 'server' machine.
Sure, that's the obvious easy way out.
But wouldn't it be better overall (and wiser) to 1). actually find
out what MS-DOS does, and 2). fix it in FreeDOS' kernel?;-)
sure. as always: talk is cheap
good luck
Tom
Whatever the issue is, it is apparently not that easy to find or
fix.
whatever the issue is, nobody is going to fix it anyway
Reading RBIL for INT 21.5C, it seem to indicate that DR-DOS
never was able to figure out how to do it, and it wasn't until
Novell got involved that it actually
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 6:25 AM, Tom Ehlertt...@drivesnapshot.de wrote:
conclusion: don't use FreeDOS as a 'server' machine.
Sure, that's the obvious easy way out.
But wouldn't it be better overall (and wiser) to 1). actually find
out what MS-DOS does, and 2). fix it in FreeDOS' kernel?
I am trying to create a FreeDOS USB stick to flash a BIOS. Using
UNetbootin I succeeded in installing FreeDOS 1.0 (fdboot.img) on the
USB stick. I am having a hard time figuring out though how to add
files to the live session. Since the live session seems to mount the
floppy image ubninit
Hi,
We are facing a difficulty with the 'copy' command in the
network of our Health Center.
We occasionally need to copy files from the server to the local
disks of client machines.
I have been doing these copies by means of file managers such as
Navigator, NDN or Connect, and it is
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Hello list:
asking programming errors on a mailing list that is focused on
operating system development is considered BAD.
I am having Stack Overflow problems with this simple code under FreeDOS and
OpenWatcom:
#include stdio.h
char a[8192];
int main()
{
int i;
char b[8192];
At 12:58 PM 12/20/2012, Louis Santillan wrote:
The Memory Model (Tiny vs. Small vs. Compact vs. Medium vs. Large,
.COM vs. .EXE) of the compiler could be causing the issue. Some
compilers used to default to Small. What compiler flags are you using?
Even in the TINY model, there is no reason
asking programming errors on a mailing list that is focused on
operating system development is considered BAD.
I don't think we have enough developers (OS or application) or enough
list traffic where we can afford to be picky ...
this is stillnot the 'programming for dummies' mailing list.
- An editor should be small enough to run on a 128K machine.
FreeDOS will not run on a 128K machine.
- Calculator? How many people do not have a physical calculator or cell
phone laying around nearby?
you are right. but wtf will I use a 128K machine for if I have a
iPhone around ?
- An
On 1/29/2013 11:09 AM, Tom Ehlert wrote:
- An editor should be small enough to run on a 128K machine.
FreeDOS will not run on a 128K machine.
Ok. Then make it 256. You get the idea.
I haven't looked into the source code, but is FreeDOS really that much
of a memory hog where
Get up on the wrong side of the bed today? Why so defensive?
PC/MS DOS 5.x and 6.x will run in 256K with usable memory to spare.
PC/MS DOS 3.x will run in 128K with usable memory to spare.
FreeDOS will inherently use ~60K more then MSDOS as command.com swaps
only to XMS or not at all.
If
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