Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 7 RC3 is now ready - and this should be it
Hi Shane and thanks for your work, I've given a look to the new version, nice :). Predictably the mouse experience is more fluid and comfortable so I can confirm you finally integrated cute mouse and OpenGEM very well. My newest Logitech mouse used to hang, block and prevented me from using GEM on desktop: Now it goes smoothly. I noticed and was pleased that you added a couple of new features (I used to ran release 4 or 5, in which I had installed the addons packages with the other apps). I think someone should eventually specify in the readme that GEMAPPS has to be mandatory copied to C:\GEMAPPS, because if I guessed it right GEM.BAT will look in C:\GEMAPPS\GEMSYS\ for a DESKTOP.APP, which is required in order to load a working environment (otherwise you get just a white and black environment with a buggy file manager). This was something hard to figure out when I first installed GEM some years ago. Perhaps it's specified elsewhere but I didn't have the time to read all the documentation, I just did what I was used to with the previous releases. In the readme file You mentioned a batch file (INSTALL.BAT) to be run so as to to make the installation process (quite easy anyway XD) autonomous. Where is that supposed to be located? Concerning power off, are you saying that you rebuilt the SHUTDOWN utility you had found on vetusware in order to make it work from within GEM? In that case, as Ruxgulo pointed out, fdapm is a difficult-to-beat program; it works really well so far, and in my experience gets its job done even from inside GEM :) Yours, cordially P.V. Olivo - 'I have a wish. It as a fear as well - that in my end will be my beginning'. [Ernesto Guevara] -- View this message in context: http://freedos.10956.n7.nabble.com/OpenGEM-7-RC3-is-now-ready-and-this-should-be-it-tp26868p26906.html Sent from the FreeDOS - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 7 RC3 is now ready - and this should be it
Hi, On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Shane Coughlan wrote: > > The final(?) Release Candidate of OpenGEM 7 is ready and available for > testing. > > By the way, this RC saw some big changes. > OpenGEM Release 7 RC 3 - 9th July 2017 > - Changed SHUTDOWN 1.2 abandonware >to SHUTDOWN 1.1 and REBOOT 1.0 from >https://www.plop.at/en/dostools.html > > If I get no feedback in the next week then I will consider the release ready > and go “gold." I've not looked closely at this, but I recommend that you use FDAPM (GPL) instead: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.2/repos/pkg-html/fdapm.html -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM 7 RC3 is now ready - and this should be it
Hi all The final(?) Release Candidate of OpenGEM 7 is ready and available for testing. To try it just download the zip file from the repository and unpack to the C: drive in your relevant machine while preserving directory structure. Type GEM to execute the GEM.BAT file. The OpenGEM repository is here: https://github.com/shanecoughlan/OpenGEM By the way, this RC saw some big changes. OpenGEM Release 7 RC 3 - 9th July 2017 - Updated README.TXT and GUIDE.TXT - Updated GEM.BAT file (notices) - Updated SETUP.BAT file (notices and pause feature) - Updated CuteMouse driver from 1.9 to 2.1b4 - Changed SHUTDOWN 1.2 abandonware from http://vetusware.com/download/SHUTDOWN%201.2/ to SHUTDOWN 1.1 and REBOOT 1.0 from https://www.plop.at/en/dostools.html If I get no feedback in the next week then I will consider the release ready and go “gold." Regards Shane -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM is getting an update after 11 years
On Sat, 8 Jul 2017, Shane Coughlan wrote: Hello FreeDOS community Jim inspired me to take a look at the OpenGEM GUI again. I moved the OpenGEM 6 code and SDK to GitHub. OpenGEM 7 is being prepared. The main focus is stability and simplicity. There is also a much simpler SDK. Shane, it's nice to see you're still hacking on GEM! :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM is getting an update after 11 years
Hello FreeDOS community Jim inspired me to take a look at the OpenGEM GUI again. I moved the OpenGEM 6 code and SDK to GitHub. OpenGEM 7 is being prepared. The main focus is stability and simplicity. There is also a much simpler SDK. Want to take a look? RC1, RC2 and the SDK are available here: https://github.com/shanecoughlan/OpenGEM Regards Shane -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] opengem
> Will you 1) be moving your project hosting and 2) porting to DJGPP 2.05? I already moved the files to Sourceforge: https://sourceforge.net/projects/fltk-dos/ But I still have to add screenshots and stuff at that site. Yes, when DJGPP 2.05 is released I plan to use that. At the moment I find things rather confusing with the 2.05 files in different directories and mixed with 2.04 and 2.03 utilities. To what extend can you use the existing 2.03/2.04 utilities when using DJGPP 2.05 to compile applications? > Perhaps a more updated alternative to opengem would be XFDOS > I have tried it and found it be quite an impressive interface and its word > processor alone is worth giving it a try. > http://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/news/2013/04/xfdos-graphical-freedos-distribution/ > I think some people are just interested in vintage computing and therefore do not look at new DOS applications. Georg -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] opengem
2.05 is nearing release thanks to Andris, Eli, Juan, Ozakan. Andrew Wu has even updated his build-djgpp cross-compiler to support the 2.05 beta [0]. [0] https://github.com/andrewwutw/build-djgpp/commit/7251f8f70661bafeeed9bb5172a7ae6c3bf34741 On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote: > from Louis Santillan: > >> Will you 1) be moving your project hosting and 2) porting to DJGPP 2.05? > > You mean DJGPP is up to 2.05? > > I went to their website, and current version was 2.03. I remember there was > a 2.04 beta, but never heard of DJGPP 2.05. > > www.delorie.com/djgpp/ > > Tom > > > -- > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] opengem
from Louis Santillan: > Will you 1) be moving your project hosting and 2) porting to DJGPP 2.05? You mean DJGPP is up to 2.05? I went to their website, and current version was 2.03. I remember there was a 2.04 beta, but never heard of DJGPP 2.05. www.delorie.com/djgpp/ Tom -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] opengem
Perhaps a more updated alternative to opengem would be XFDOS I have tried it and found it be quite an impressive interface and its word processor alone is worth giving it a try. http://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/news/2013/04/xfdos-graphical-freedos-distribution/ On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 2:27 AM, Mateusz Viste wrote: > On 22/08/2015 04:54, Thomas Mueller wrote: > > I think FDNPKG is simply a binary installer, can it update? But FreeBSD > ports and pkgng, and NetBSD pkgsrc, and Gentoo portage, are no doubt much > more advanced. > > FDNPKG can install, remove, update (automatically or on demand) FreeDOS > packages, either from online repositories (http and/or gopher), as well > as from local repositories (like from a CDROM). > > FDNPKG capabilities are probably quite self-explanatory when one looks > at its help screen. > > > FDNPKG v0.98 Copyright (C) Mateusz Viste 2012, 2013 > This is a network package manager for FreeDOS. > > Usage: FDNPKG action [parameters] > > Where action is one of the following: > search [string] - Search net repositories for package containing > 'string' > vsearch [string] - Same as 'search', but prints also source repositories > install pkg - Install the package 'pkgname' (or local zip file) > install-nosrc pkg - Install the package 'pkg' (or local zip file) w/o > sources > install-wsrc pkg - Install the package 'pkg' (or local zip file) with > sources > remove pkg- Remove the package 'pkgname' > listlocal [str] - List all local (installed) packages containing 'str' > listfiles pkg - List files owned by the package 'pkg' > checkupdates - check for available updates of packages and > display them > update [pkg] - update 'pkg' to last version (or all packages if > no arg) > dumpcfg - print out the configuration loaded from the cfg file > license - print out the license of this program > > FDNPKG is linked against WatTCP version below: > Watt-32 (2.2.10), GNU-C 3.4.4 (386), djgpp 2.03, Dec 12 2013 > > > > Mateusz > > > > -- > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] opengem
On 22/08/2015 04:54, Thomas Mueller wrote: > I think FDNPKG is simply a binary installer, can it update? But FreeBSD > ports and pkgng, and NetBSD pkgsrc, and Gentoo portage, are no doubt much > more advanced. FDNPKG can install, remove, update (automatically or on demand) FreeDOS packages, either from online repositories (http and/or gopher), as well as from local repositories (like from a CDROM). FDNPKG capabilities are probably quite self-explanatory when one looks at its help screen. FDNPKG v0.98 Copyright (C) Mateusz Viste 2012, 2013 This is a network package manager for FreeDOS. Usage: FDNPKG action [parameters] Where action is one of the following: search [string] - Search net repositories for package containing 'string' vsearch [string] - Same as 'search', but prints also source repositories install pkg - Install the package 'pkgname' (or local zip file) install-nosrc pkg - Install the package 'pkg' (or local zip file) w/o sources install-wsrc pkg - Install the package 'pkg' (or local zip file) with sources remove pkg- Remove the package 'pkgname' listlocal [str] - List all local (installed) packages containing 'str' listfiles pkg - List files owned by the package 'pkg' checkupdates - check for available updates of packages and display them update [pkg] - update 'pkg' to last version (or all packages if no arg) dumpcfg - print out the configuration loaded from the cfg file license - print out the license of this program FDNPKG is linked against WatTCP version below: Watt-32 (2.2.10), GNU-C 3.4.4 (386), djgpp 2.03, Dec 12 2013 Mateusz -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] opengem
Will you 1) be moving your project hosting and 2) porting to DJGPP 2.05? On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Georg Potthast wrote: >> DOS doesn't have OpenGL (except software-only ancient versions of Mesa, >> which was never widely used in most DJGPP programs). > > There is also my TinyGL port to DOS: > https://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/wiki/TinyGL > > Georg > > > -- > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] opengem
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 6:14 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote, and Rugxulo responded: > > I used elvis in DR-DOS 7.03 and FreeDOS, but elvis hasn't been updated > > since 2.2_0. > > I tried vim (7.0?) in DOS, had difficulty with more than one file at a > > time, now use vi which is nvi, > > but this has not been ported to DOS. > I'm very skeptical that VIM wouldn't work properly for you since it's > by far the most popular and feature-rich text editor in existence. But > anyways, if you can't figure it out, try VILE instead. > > I remember how elvis would bog down and become very slow as file size > > exceeded 1.5 MB, > > no such problem in Linux Slackware and no such problem with nvi in FreeBSD > > and NetBSD. > Again, VILE works fine, thanks to being compiled by DJGPP (32-bit DPMI). > > I tried FDNPKG in FreeDOS, it worked some of the time, but other times it > > messed up: > > not nearly as well developed as package management in Linux and *BSD. > We're very lucky to have someone as talented as Mateusz to contribute. > Having said that, even Ubuntu (Snappy??) and FreeBSD (pkg-ng??) > seemingly have changed package managers semi-recently, so it's not > like they have it all figured out either. > > Allegro and other software packages that included DOS support seem to have > > dropped DOS support. > Yes, that's old news. First they broke the build system (requiring > Cmake), then they switched entirely to OpenGL (EDIT: and DirectX, > according to Wikipedia) backend. DOS doesn't have OpenGL (except > software-only ancient versions of Mesa, which was never widely used in > most DJGPP programs). I believe the vim version I used in DOS was 7.0, 32-bit. I just visited vim.org website, 7.1 was the last for DOS 16-bit, and 7.3 was the last for DOS 32-bit. I never used VILE, was put off by "like Emacs" part. Now I see vim has moved to GitHub. I think FDNPKG is simply a binary installer, can it update? But FreeBSD ports and pkgng, and NetBSD pkgsrc, and Gentoo portage, are no doubt much more advanced. Difficulties and limitations with DOS software, especially on modern computers, cause me to not do much in that area; a long time since I last used a text editor in DOS. Tom -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] opengem
> DOS doesn't have OpenGL (except software-only ancient versions of Mesa, > which was never widely used in most DJGPP programs). There is also my TinyGL port to DOS: https://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/wiki/TinyGL Georg -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] opengem
Hi, On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 6:14 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote: > > I used elvis in DR-DOS 7.03 and FreeDOS, but elvis hasn't been updated since > 2.2_0. > > I tried vim (7.0?) in DOS, had difficulty with more than one file at a time, > now use vi which is nvi, > but this has not been ported to DOS. I'm very skeptical that VIM wouldn't work properly for you since it's by far the most popular and feature-rich text editor in existence. But anyways, if you can't figure it out, try VILE instead. > I remember how elvis would bog down and become very slow as file size > exceeded 1.5 MB, > no such problem in Linux Slackware and no such problem with nvi in FreeBSD > and NetBSD. Again, VILE works fine, thanks to being compiled by DJGPP (32-bit DPMI). > I tried FDNPKG in FreeDOS, it worked some of the time, but other times it > messed up: > not nearly as well developed as package management in Linux and *BSD. We're very lucky to have someone as talented as Mateusz to contribute. Having said that, even Ubuntu (Snappy??) and FreeBSD (pkg-ng??) seemingly have changed package managers semi-recently, so it's not like they have it all figured out either. > Allegro and other software packages that included DOS support seem to have > dropped DOS support. Yes, that's old news. First they broke the build system (requiring Cmake), then they switched entirely to OpenGL (EDIT: and DirectX, according to Wikipedia) backend. DOS doesn't have OpenGL (except software-only ancient versions of Mesa, which was never widely used in most DJGPP programs). -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] opengem
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 8:07 PM, Ralf Quint wrote: > On 8/19/2015 4:14 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote: >> I believe I took a look at opengem but didn't get far. Opengem >> couldn't integrate with other software as X Window system can. > "Integrate" in which way? I don't have a DOS system running GEM handy > right now, but all it takes is a short cut for it and proper DOS > software will run, in text mode of course, just fine... My recollection of things like GEM was that integration was a matter of adding DOS apps to the GEM desktop and menu structure, They would still be character mode DOS apps, but could be run from the GEM GUI. The process was equivalent to what you do to add Linux apps to something like the XFCE desktop. The difference is that Linux is multitasking and more than one thing may be active at a time, and the the Linux app may also have a GUI. >> I used elvis in DR-DOS 7.03 and FreeDOS, but elvis hasn't been updated >> since 2.2_0. I tried vim (7.0?) in DOS, had difficulty with more than >> one file at a time, now use vi which is nvi, but this has not been >> ported to DOS. > Well, it's probably worse if you would have tried EMACS instead... (one > joke from "back in those days" was that EMACS actually stands for "Eight > Megabytes And Constantly Swapping") :-D ) There are lots of things called Emacs or influenced by it. The original was a set of macros in the TECO (Text Editor and Corrector) language that ran on the DEC minicomputer at the MIT AI lab where Richard Stallman once worked. TECO was a language intended for manipulating text, with a syntax that resembled line noise. Various folks at the lab had written TECO macro packages to ease use. Stallman and Guy Steele ()mostly Stallman) collected and merged them into a comprehensive package called Editing MACroS, and emacs rapidly became the standard editor used at the labs. (Stallman commented he realized how successful his effort had been when he no longer remembered how to do things in raw TECO.) When TECO went away, Stallman rewrote Emacs in Lisp, and current Gnu Emacs is a derivative. It's essentially an interpreter for a dialect of Lisp, and most of the editor is written in Lisp. If you were fluent in Emacs Lisp, you could get it to do just about anything, and there are Emacs major modes for reading and replying email, reading and posting to Usenet newsgroups, and even playing games. Old timers on Unix would run Emacs when they logged in, and Emacs would be their shell, with everything done from within it. On DOS, my preference was Daniel Lawrence's MicroEMACS, which derived from a product of the same name by Dave Conroy. It had the Emacs command set and a capable macro language, and was quite configurable. It was also extremely portable, and built out-of-the-box from C source on my old AT&T 3B1 Unix machine. The 3B1 had a bit-mapped screen and a GUI called FACE, with a variety of dedicated function keys. I used the configurability to get Emacs to do sensible things when I pressed various of the dedicated keys on the machine's keyboard. (Under DOS, I had a macro file that made MicroEMACS use WordStar keystrokes.) (I was able to build an older version of Gnu Emacs on the machine as well, but didn't use it much.) I had vi under DOS as well, courtesy of a commercial package called the MKS Toolkit. The Toolkit implemented all of the Unix commands that made sense in a single-user, single-tasking OS, including a complete vi. The big win for me was a DOS version of the Unix Korn Shell, that had everything save asynchronous background processes. When I was in the Korn shell, you had to dig a bit to realize it *wasn't* a Unix machine. :-) > Well, it's DOS, which is 16bit and hence you can not access 1.5MB in one > piece, so that means your software needs to be smart enough to use > XMS/EMS memory to expand the usable amount of RAM, which requires that > this is properly integrated in the software's memory management. And > considering that vi (in which ever incarnation) is *ix software, it > isn't likely take this into account. IMHO, you are comparing apples and > oranges here... Or your editor had to use things like spill files, with stuff being edited in RAM, and stuff before and after it on disk, and lots of swapping. (IIRD, the MINCE (Minc e Is Not Complete Emacs) editor that originated under CP/M used that approach, and carried it through to the DOS version. (Mince became a word processor called The Final Word, which Borland acquired and renamed Sprint.) >> I tried FDNPKG in FreeDOS, it worked some of the time, but other times it >> messed up: not nearly as well developed as package management in Linux and >> *BSD. > Another case where people forcefully try to apply *ix/Linux type > handling of things to (Free)DOS. IMHO, not much good can come out of > this. Or at least people's expectations are far too high... If their expectations are set by Windows and Linux, they can't help but be too high. There are a va
Re: [Freedos-user] opengem
On 8/19/2015 4:14 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote: > I believe I took a look at opengem but didn't get far. Opengem > couldn't integrate with other software as X Window system can. "Integrate" in which way? I don't have a DOS system running GEM handy right now, but all it takes is a short cut for it and proper DOS software will run, in text mode of course, just fine... > I used elvis in DR-DOS 7.03 and FreeDOS, but elvis hasn't been updated > since 2.2_0. I tried vim (7.0?) in DOS, had difficulty with more than > one file at a time, now use vi which is nvi, but this has not been > ported to DOS. Well, it's probably worse if you would have tried EMACS instead... (one joke from "back in those days" was that EMACS actually stands for "Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping") :-D ) > > I remember how elvis would bog down and become very slow as file size > exceeded 1.5 MB, no such problem in Linux Slackware and no such problem with > nvi in FreeBSD and NetBSD. Well, it's DOS, which is 16bit and hence you can not access 1.5MB in one piece, so that means your software needs to be smart enough to use XMS/EMS memory to expand the usable amount of RAM, which requires that this is properly integrated in the software's memory management. And considering that vi (in which ever incarnation) is *ix software, it isn't likely take this into account. IMHO, you are comparing apples and oranges here... > > I imagine only a small minority of computer users have ever heard of OpenGem. If you imagine that the majority of computer user might have been born after the demise of (Open)GEM, this isn't surprising > > I tried FDNPKG in FreeDOS, it worked some of the time, but other times it > messed up: not nearly as well developed as package management in Linux and > *BSD. Another case where people forcefully try to apply *ix/Linux type handling of things to (Free)DOS. IMHO, not much good can come out of this. Or at least people's expectations are far too high... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] opengem
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 3:32 AM, jubalh wrote, and > Rugxulo responded: > > Yesterday I installed FreeDOS for the first time. > > I used the latest version and did a "full" install because i want to > > have all software. > The full release of FreeDOS 1.1 does not have all software mentioned > in the Software List. > http://freedos.sourceforge.net/software/ > Most DOS installs are "BASE" only, maybe not even that much! > > I would like to run http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=opengem which > > I suppose should be installed on a full install. But I cannot open it > > via "gem" and don't find it anywhere. > Most DOS software is not supported anymore. And, even then, most > things require manual installation (e.g. download and "install" > yourself by unzipping somewhere). > Mateusz mentioned his packaged version of OpenGem, but the original > version was meant to manually install. > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/gui/opengem/6/ > > Also I don't see vim anywhere. > http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/edit/vim/ > It's been years since I used VIM, and I was no expert by any means. It > does have its own installer, but I'm not sure how much it does. (VIM > is a very complicated piece of software.) Personally, I prefer VILE > (built by DJGPP), which is somewhat simpler. > Keep in mind that VIM 7.1 was the last to have a (limited) 16-bit DOS > version, and 7.3 was the last to support 32-bit DOS (DJGPP) at all. So > we don't have 7.4, and I haven't tried rebuilding it myself (as I > assume it doesn't even work anymore). > > What am I missing? How to install software on FreeDOS? > Most stuff is done manually, but some things (nowadays) can be > installed by FDNPKG. However, more volunteers are still needed to add > or update many packages. I believe I took a look at opengem but didn't get far. Opengem couldn't integrate with other software as X Window system can. I used elvis in DR-DOS 7.03 and FreeDOS, but elvis hasn't been updated since 2.2_0. I tried vim (7.0?) in DOS, had difficulty with more than one file at a time, now use vi which is nvi, but this has not been ported to DOS. I remember how elvis would bog down and become very slow as file size exceeded 1.5 MB, no such problem in Linux Slackware and no such problem with nvi in FreeBSD and NetBSD. I imagine only a small minority of computer users have ever heard of OpenGem. I tried FDNPKG in FreeDOS, it worked some of the time, but other times it messed up: not nearly as well developed as package management in Linux and *BSD. Allegro and other software packages that included DOS support seem to have dropped DOS support. NetBSD i386 and amd64 still have /usr/mdec/dosboot.com, but I haven't tried it recently; dosboot.com seemed to stop working somewhere around NetBSD 5.x. Now I wonder if LOADLIN still works: for starting Linux from DOS. Tom -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] opengem
On 8/17/2015 1:32 AM, jubalh wrote: > What am I missing? How to install software on FreeDOS? > In most cases, you do not need to "install" software on (Free)DOS. Most programs will just work if they are located within the PATH environment variable. And that seems to be the biggest (though actually simplest) hurdle for a lot of people to understand these days. They simply over complicate things... Ralf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] opengem
Hi, On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 3:32 AM, jubalh wrote: > > Yesterday I installed FreeDOS for the first time. > I used the latest version and did a "full" install because i want to > have all software. The full release of FreeDOS 1.1 does not have all software mentioned in the Software List. http://freedos.sourceforge.net/software/ Most DOS installs are "BASE" only, maybe not even that much! > I would like to run http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=opengem which > I suppose should be installed on a full install. But I cannot open it > via "gem" and don't find it anywhere. Most DOS software is not supported anymore. And, even then, most things require manual installation (e.g. download and "install" yourself by unzipping somewhere). Mateusz mentioned his packaged version of OpenGem, but the original version was meant to manually install. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/gui/opengem/6/ > Also I don't see vim anywhere. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/edit/vim/ It's been years since I used VIM, and I was no expert by any means. It does have its own installer, but I'm not sure how much it does. (VIM is a very complicated piece of software.) Personally, I prefer VILE (built by DJGPP), which is somewhat simpler. Keep in mind that VIM 7.1 was the last to have a (limited) 16-bit DOS version, and 7.3 was the last to support 32-bit DOS (DJGPP) at all. So we don't have 7.4, and I haven't tried rebuilding it myself (as I assume it doesn't even work anymore). > What am I missing? How to install software on FreeDOS? Most stuff is done manually, but some things (nowadays) can be installed by FDNPKG. However, more volunteers are still needed to add or update many packages. -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] opengem
Hi, You can install additional software in FreeDOS using "packages". Either by downloading a package first, and then installing it on your PC, or (if your FreeDOS setup is connected to the internet), installing it online. For both steps, please make sure you have the FDNPKG tool. I'm not sure it's installed by default with FreeDOS v1.1. If not, you can get it here: http://fdnpkg.sourceforge.net -- Case 1 (if you have internet connectivity) -- simply type this: FDNPKG INSTALL OPEMGEM -- Case 2 (if you do not have network connectivity) -- first get the opengem package from there: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.1/repos/util/opengem.zip ...and copy it on your disk, for example to C:\. Then, type this: FDNPKG INSTALL C:\OPENGEM.ZIP cheers, Mateusz On 17/08/2015 10:32, jubalh wrote: > Hello, > > Yesterday I installed FreeDOS for the first time. > I used the latest version and did a "full" install because i want to > have all software. > > I would like to run http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=opengem which > I suppose should be installed on a full install. But I cannot open it > via "gem" and don't find it anywhere. > > Also I don't see vim anywhere. > > What am I missing? How to install software on FreeDOS? > > Hope you can help me soon. > jubalh -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] opengem
Hello, Yesterday I installed FreeDOS for the first time. I used the latest version and did a "full" install because i want to have all software. I would like to run http://www.freedos.org/software/?prog=opengem which I suppose should be installed on a full install. But I cannot open it via "gem" and don't find it anywhere. Also I don't see vim anywhere. What am I missing? How to install software on FreeDOS? Hope you can help me soon. jubalh -- ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM, batch files and application icons
Hi Christian, > - FreeDOS installer is hanging if WATTCP > configuration stops for any reason. Yeah I would recommend to install without network, see: http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=FdDocEn.FdInstall You can find a list of internet-using packages here: http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?n=FdDocEn.FdDependencies > - Hungarian keyboard is defunct (setting was made by the installer but > not working) You can try mkeyb and keyb... > - xfdisk offers FAT32 but DEFRAG says it"s not supported (not even the > new version of defrag) http://users.telenet.be/imre/FreeDOS/?M=D you mean? Most other things should support fat32. Chkdsk does not, but you can use dosfsck instead... Mirror / unformat / undelete do not support fat32 either, but format (!) has built-in mirror and (limited) unformat functions which do support fat32. Eric - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM, batch files and application icons
Hi all, I gave a test run for FreeDOS 1.0 (my main system is linux and use occasionally DR-DOS-7.0.3 + Breadbox Ensemble) and also installed OpenGEM5. I find GEM is appropriate/acceptable, but yet I could not figure out: - how to ran batch files from the GEM desktop (they are opened by default) - how to add application starting icons to a folder/desktop (it is not very nice to fumble between system files when starting an application). Remarks (do not need to be answered) - FreeDOS installer is hanging if WATTCP configuration stops for any reason. - Hungarian keyboard is defunct (setting was made by the installer but not working) - xfdisk offers FAT32 but DEFRAG says it"s not supported (not even the new version of defrag) Thank you for your reply in advance! Best regards, Christian Simonyi email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] url: http://www.aurora.homelinux.net/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM - GEM.BAT fails with ChDir under FreeDOS 1.0
We're working over/tripping over some small details here, but many people won't know what to do with an error message like this and will just give up. So a little background and a fresh detail or two: Background: OpenGEM 4 and 5 used this command in C:\GEM.BAT: CD\GEMAPPS\GEMSYS\ This worked fine in MS-DOS 6 but the version of FreeCOM current at the time failed without a space after CD. OpenGEM 6 attempted to adjust to FreeCOM by using this command: CD GEMAPPS\GEMSYS This executes fine if entered from the command line at C:\ and will make the current directory C:\GEMAPPS\GEMSYS. But if you put that command in a batch file at C:\TEST.BAT and then ChDir to C:\FDOS and rely on PATH or native ability to find and run TEST.BAT in the root directory, you will generate the error "CHDIR failed for 'GEMAPPS\GEMSYS.'" If you edit TEST.BAT to CD \GEMAPPS\GEMSYS (adding the initial backslash), it will run fine. Contrary to what I said earlier, you do not need to enter the full drive:\path to get a successful fix. In fact, with the current version of FreeCOM, you can once again omit the space after CD. In short, there is still a small deviation from behavior under MS-DOS 6. But previously when I entered a program-startup command from an improper location (like trying to start DESCENT from FDOS\BIN, to make up an example) FreeDOS would tend to run something like C:\SETUP (the GEM setup program). So this may be progress. --John Hupp - Original Message - From: Eric Auer To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM - GEM.BAT fails with ChDir under FreeDOS 1.0 Hi John,> ... the GEM.BAT installed by GEM 6 bundled with FreeDOS> 1.0 fails at CD \GEMAPPS\GEMSYS if you try to start GEM from outside the> root directory (where GEM.BAT is located) on a pure FreeDOS machine.> To work around that, do a search-and-replace in GEM.BAT to change all> instances to CD C:\GEMAPPS\GEMSYS.There are two oddities in GEM here:1. it assumes that you start gem.bat from the same drive whereyou have GEM installed and2. gem.bat should be in, for example, c:\fdos\bin instead of in c:\(which is sth. which the FreeDOS installer, not GEM, should tweak...)The first issue should be worked around by usingc:CD \GEMapps\GEMsysinstead of only using the "CD" line. Because usingCD c:\GEMapps\GEMsys still does not force going to C:Using CDD c:\GEMapps\GEMsys would, but would be FreeCOM specific,so the better solution is to use the above two line one.However, FreeCOM has behaved odd for me recently (since I updatedfrom 1.0 base to 1.0 full) - sometimes it just stops to run programs!No error message or anything, just does not run the programs any more.This might depend on whether doslfn is loaded, not sure. Any ideas?Eric-Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of ITJoin SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share youropinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cashhttp://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV___Freedos-user mailing listFreedos-user@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM - GEM.BAT fails with ChDir under FreeDOS 1.0
Hi John, > ... the GEM.BAT installed by GEM 6 bundled with FreeDOS > 1.0 fails at CD \GEMAPPS\GEMSYS if you try to start GEM from outside the > root directory (where GEM.BAT is located) on a pure FreeDOS machine. > To work around that, do a search-and-replace in GEM.BAT to change all > instances to CD C:\GEMAPPS\GEMSYS. There are two oddities in GEM here: 1. it assumes that you start gem.bat from the same drive where you have GEM installed and 2. gem.bat should be in, for example, c:\fdos\bin instead of in c:\ (which is sth. which the FreeDOS installer, not GEM, should tweak...) The first issue should be worked around by using c: CD \GEMapps\GEMsys instead of only using the "CD" line. Because using CD c:\GEMapps\GEMsys still does not force going to C: Using CDD c:\GEMapps\GEMsys would, but would be FreeCOM specific, so the better solution is to use the above two line one. However, FreeCOM has behaved odd for me recently (since I updated from 1.0 base to 1.0 full) - sometimes it just stops to run programs! No error message or anything, just does not run the programs any more. This might depend on whether doslfn is loaded, not sure. Any ideas? Eric - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM - GEM.BAT fails with ChDir under FreeDOS 1.0
Perhaps I've unintentionally changed a PATH entry or some such. I don't think so. At any rate, the GEM.BAT installed by GEM 6 bundled with FreeDOS 1.0 fails at CD \GEMAPPS\GEMSYS if you try to start GEM from outside the root directory (where GEM.BAT is located) on a pure FreeDOS machine. To work around that, do a search-and-replace in GEM.BAT to change all instances to CD C:\GEMAPPS\GEMSYS. I think GEM.BAT has always worked properly under MS-DOS 6 with that command, although I noted some FreeCOM versions back that MS-DOS supports CD\directory (no space) whereas FreeCOM required a space: CD \directory. Apart from that, I think that even prior FreeCOM's worked with this command without requiring the drive: designation. --John Hupp - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM 6 is coming (get a testing copy right now!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Boys and girls I'm very glad to announce OpenGEM 6 is (finally) about to be released. As you know OpenGEM is intended to provide a great GUI file manager for FreeDOS. Over the years we've made some real advances in usability and stability. John Elliott of the FreeGEM community has introduced a lot of really great code. His desktop has already brought new life to GEM and has been highly successful in OpenGEM 5. John has continued coding and OpenGEM 6 sees a great new advance: we now have support for the DOS international code page. This will greatly simplify any attempts to create international versions of OpenGEM. John Hupp has contributed a great deal of time and energy in the testing and deployment of new printing support for OpenGEM 6. We now support HP Deskjet+, Deskjet 560C, and Deskjet 612C printers. Other HP Deskjets might also work. You'll notice the new printer support when you open the GEM Output application. You'll also notice that we support postscript printing out-of-the-box. OpenGEM 6 is intended to provide a really great GUI for FreeDOS 1.0. This means we're looking at a long future for this particular release. It's therefore essential that OpenGEM 6 can be patched and updated easily. There is a new automatic install and update system to ensure this is possible. While OpenGEM 6 is opening it will look for either INSTALL.ZIP or UPDATE.ZIP files in the C:\ root. If it detects one of these files it will offer to update or install the system accordingly. This new framework will allow for the easy installation not only of system updates but also GEM applications. It is currently being documented for the OpenGEM website. Talking of the website...there is a new OpenGEM website coming. It will be at http://gem.opendawn.com. It's going to be simple, clear and will be created in XHTML. OpenGEM 6 will be released on the 14th of July. Please help make sure everything works by downloading and testing a copy of the system from http://www.opendawn.com/opengem6.zip. This download is around 2MB in size. The reason for the increase in size? Full support for different sound, video and printer drivers, different desk accessories and a system recovery option in case OpenGEM stops working. If you download the test version of OpenGEM 6 just drag and drop the files inside to your C:\ root (or - if you're using a command line - recursively unpack the files to your C:\ root). GEM at the C:\> prompt will start OpenGEM 6. SETUP at the C:\> prompt will bring you to the OpenGEM 6 setup options. If you need to load drivers or are having difficulty starting OpenGEM look inside the C:\GEM.BAT file. Perhaps you need to uncomment some options to ensure everything will load correctly. Regards Shane - -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 (UK) +353862262570 (Ire) w: www.opendawn.com - --- OpenPGP: http://www.opendawn.com/shane/publickey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUBRLV+tdwG3M95JPpzAQjSfAQAoYMDqJnJWAxsE/eMQiWXwfvmTCRlROL+ IY4f95aMPMDI1OLa7DJ8JYWikEtzCZfmTvzbKEGXLeOy7DV2WFKkbtcGPIxqHy9f ypIvdTUDp3SBfU+NaQREgetSI/ICbvZqCq1LM5gJ2TgbsVGEQdNxueoO+1Nju02D 6+X8vS03B98= =6oFW -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2
My (pure) FreeDOS installation was as loaded by the 0.9 Beta SR2 CD, except that I updated the kernel and freecom. I was using current *stable*: kernel - 1.1.35 Build 2035b-cvs, 2006-05-21 freecom - 0.84-pre XMS_Swap, 2006-05-21 himem + emm386 - from emmx208 or emm208x ZIP archive (though that was a moot point when running tests without either) You can run with a test configuration like this: BUFFERS=30 FILES=40 SHELL=C:\command.com C:\ /E:512 /P=C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT - SET DOSDIR=C:\FDOS SET TEMP=C:\FDOS\TEMP SET TMP=C:\FDOS\TEMP CTMOUSE I was using OpenGEM Release 5, the Complete version downloadable from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/fullversions.html Install everything on a FAT32 partition to see the problem behavior (or on a FAT16 partition to see everything working fine). The GEM apps triggering the problems are Doodle, Draw and Paint, though if you run without HIMEM you won't have enough memory to run Paint. I did test with COMMAND.COM from MS-DOS 6.22 and got the same results as with FreeCOM. --John Hupp - Original Message - From: Kenneth J. Davis To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2 Shane M. Coughlan wrote: > John Hupp wrote: > >>In the course of off-list discussion, I tested this problem much more >>extensively than I reported here. My own conclusion was similar to your >>Situation #3: HIMEM and EMM386 are not at issue, and OpenGEM has one or >>more >>incompatibilities with the FreeDOS kernel. >>But I found further that the problem appeared on FAT32 partitions and not >>on >>FAT16 partitions. Perhaps that will further narrow the inquiry. > > > John did indeed debug this quite extensively in a three-way conversation > with Eric and myself. The results were: > > "PRELIMINARY CONCLUSION: FreeDOS FAT32 support in FreeCOM/Kernel > (wherever that support is located) seems to be the problem." > > "It is [...] interesting that not all GEM apps trigger problems under > FAT32. Fgdoodle seems to be the worst, and then the other freehand > drawing apps Draw and Paint. So graphical rendering methods connect > those." > ... Could you (off list if you want) send me a more or less detailed description of which files to get and run and I will see if I can find the kernel issue. Two questions though, did you try with 4DOS or MS Command.com to rule out FreeCom issues (not sure why it would cause it, but I do know it sometimes causes weird issues) and was this with dev kernel, stable kernel, or both? Thanks, Jeremy - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2
Shane M. Coughlan wrote: > John Hupp wrote: > >>In the course of off-list discussion, I tested this problem much more >>extensively than I reported here. My own conclusion was similar to your >>Situation #3: HIMEM and EMM386 are not at issue, and OpenGEM has one or more >>incompatibilities with the FreeDOS kernel. >>But I found further that the problem appeared on FAT32 partitions and not on >>FAT16 partitions. Perhaps that will further narrow the inquiry. > > > John did indeed debug this quite extensively in a three-way conversation > with Eric and myself. The results were: > > "PRELIMINARY CONCLUSION: FreeDOS FAT32 support in FreeCOM/Kernel > (wherever that support is located) seems to be the problem." > > "It is [...] interesting that not all GEM apps trigger problems under > FAT32. Fgdoodle seems to be the worst, and then the other freehand > drawing apps Draw and Paint. So graphical rendering methods connect those." > ... Could you (off list if you want) send me a more or less detailed description of which files to get and run and I will see if I can find the kernel issue. Two questions though, did you try with 4DOS or MS Command.com to rule out FreeCom issues (not sure why it would cause it, but I do know it sometimes causes weird issues) and was this with dev kernel, stable kernel, or both? Thanks, Jeremy - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2
John Hupp wrote: > In the course of off-list discussion, I tested this problem much more > extensively than I reported here. My own conclusion was similar to your > Situation #3: HIMEM and EMM386 are not at issue, and OpenGEM has one or more > incompatibilities with the FreeDOS kernel. > But I found further that the problem appeared on FAT32 partitions and not on > FAT16 partitions. Perhaps that will further narrow the inquiry. John did indeed debug this quite extensively in a three-way conversation with Eric and myself. The results were: "PRELIMINARY CONCLUSION: FreeDOS FAT32 support in FreeCOM/Kernel (wherever that support is located) seems to be the problem." "It is [...] interesting that not all GEM apps trigger problems under FAT32. Fgdoodle seems to be the worst, and then the other freehand drawing apps Draw and Paint. So graphical rendering methods connect those." CASE 1: MS-DOS HIMEM on FAT32 Gem Desktop locks at quit Draw, Doodle and Paint all lock at start CASE 2: FreeDOS HIMEM on FAT32 Gem Desktop quits OK Draw, Paint all start OK, allow me to scribble a bit, and quit OK Doodle locks at quit CASE 3: MS-DOS HIMEM on FAT16 Everything works OK CASE 4: FreeDOS HIMEM on FAT16 Everything works OK OpenGEM runs fine on MS DOS machines running FAT32, as well as under Windows running FAT32. Regards Shane PS: John is my personal hero for having spent so much time working on this! -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 (UK) +353862262570 (Ire) w: www.opendawn.com --- OpenPGP: http://www.opendawn.com/shane/publickey.asc Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2
In the course of off-list discussion, I tested this problem much more extensively than I reported here. My own conclusion was similar to your Situation #3: HIMEM and EMM386 are not at issue, and OpenGEM has one or more incompatibilities with the FreeDOS kernel. But I found further that the problem appeared on FAT32 partitions and not on FAT16 partitions. Perhaps that will further narrow the inquiry. --John Hupp - Original Message - From: Michael Devore To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2 At 11:38 AM 6/5/2006 -0400, John Hupp wrote: >I am using current stable: >kernel - 1.1.35 Build 2035b-cvs, 2006-05-21 >freecom - 0.84-pre XMS_Swap, 2006-05-21 >himem + emm386 - from emmx208 or emm208x ZIP archive > >I might have added to the original post by saying that this problem does >not occur on an older 486 SX2-50 (no math coprocessor) in an ISA-only >motherboard. Only on this newer Pentium 100 with PCI + ISA. > >I could also have added that all my DOS games (Doom, Quake, Duke, >Spacequest, Beneath A Steel Sky) run fine on this computer and >configuration. > >On the chance that there was a physical memory problem I dropped from 16 >to 8 MB (no difference), and then also swapped in the extra 8 MB (no >difference). > >One thing I noticed in further testing was that Draw, Paint and Doodle >have the most problems. All freehand programs. And if they load >successfully, then they work until you try to close them. Artline is >rather stable by comparison, though it does not seem to offer a freehand >tool, at least that I could find quickly. > >If I drop all the way to no HIMEM and no EMM386, there is insufficient >memory to run Artline or Paint. Draw, Write, Tetris, Scgem, and Fanwor >all seemed to work. But Doodle locks the machine when it closes. Okay, I tested OpenGEM 5 under FreeDOS and was able to get lockups at various times, using HIMEM with or without EMM386 loaded. Unfortunately, I was also able to get out of memory errors and lockups after working with different OpenGEM utilities under Microsoft HIMEM on a FreeDOS kernel. This was on a Athlon 3000+ machine. The lockups were hard, i.e. Ctrl-Alt-Del did not recover. This may be because OpenGEM controls the keyboard vectoring, and it is possibly still "alive" under the lockup, although for the user's purposes, that may be a distinction without a difference. Anyway, given that the problem occurs with Microsoft memory managers, I believe you have one of three situations: 1. OpenGEM 5 has one or more operational bugs, OR 2. OpenGEM 5 or its underlying language (TP?) has one or more problems with very fast machines or machines with large amounts of free extended memory, OR 3. OpenGEM has one or more incompatibilities with the FreeDOS kernel. I don't think whatever is happening is a fault of either FreeDOS HIMEM or EMM386, since similar problems can occur without either loaded. Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2
At 11:38 AM 6/5/2006 -0400, John Hupp wrote: >I am using current stable: >kernel - 1.1.35 Build 2035b-cvs, 2006-05-21 >freecom - 0.84-pre XMS_Swap, 2006-05-21 >himem + emm386 - from emmx208 or emm208x ZIP archive > >I might have added to the original post by saying that this problem does >not occur on an older 486 SX2-50 (no math coprocessor) in an ISA-only >motherboard. Only on this newer Pentium 100 with PCI + ISA. > >I could also have added that all my DOS games (Doom, Quake, Duke, >Spacequest, Beneath A Steel Sky) run fine on this computer and configuration. > >On the chance that there was a physical memory problem I dropped from 16 >to 8 MB (no difference), and then also swapped in the extra 8 MB (no >difference). > >One thing I noticed in further testing was that Draw, Paint and Doodle >have the most problems. All freehand programs. And if they load >successfully, then they work until you try to close them. Artline is >rather stable by comparison, though it does not seem to offer a freehand >tool, at least that I could find quickly. > >If I drop all the way to no HIMEM and no EMM386, there is insufficient >memory to run Artline or Paint. Draw, Write, Tetris, Scgem, and Fanwor >all seemed to work. But Doodle locks the machine when it closes. Okay, I tested OpenGEM 5 under FreeDOS and was able to get lockups at various times, using HIMEM with or without EMM386 loaded. Unfortunately, I was also able to get out of memory errors and lockups after working with different OpenGEM utilities under Microsoft HIMEM on a FreeDOS kernel. This was on a Athlon 3000+ machine. The lockups were hard, i.e. Ctrl-Alt-Del did not recover. This may be because OpenGEM controls the keyboard vectoring, and it is possibly still "alive" under the lockup, although for the user's purposes, that may be a distinction without a difference. Anyway, given that the problem occurs with Microsoft memory managers, I believe you have one of three situations: 1. OpenGEM 5 has one or more operational bugs, OR 2. OpenGEM 5 or its underlying language (TP?) has one or more problems with very fast machines or machines with large amounts of free extended memory, OR 3. OpenGEM has one or more incompatibilities with the FreeDOS kernel. I don't think whatever is happening is a fault of either FreeDOS HIMEM or EMM386, since similar problems can occur without either loaded. Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2
John Hupp wrote: > I went into this round of tests with this configuration, and cut back > progressively as I describe below: > > LASTDRIVE=Z > BUFFERS=30 > FILES=40 > DOS=HIGH,UMB > DOSDATA=UMB > DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\HIMEM.EXE > DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\EMM386.EXE NOEMS X=TEST VDS > SHELL=C:\command.com C:\ /E:512 /P=C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT Hi John As you pointed out the combination of FreeDOS Beta9sr2 and OpenGEM is working on a 486 machine, but there are weird errors when running the same setup with the same configuration on a Pentium machine. Let's see what happens if you have no HIMEN or EMM386. Will OpenGEM run applications correctly then? I'm wondering if it is possible that OpenGEM applications are making calls that the Pentium system is handling differently to the 486 system. Perhaps Eric could enlighten regarding this possibility? What is interesting here is that OpenGEM works fine under Windows 95/98/XP on Pentium class machines. I've also had no reports of errors like this from people using OpenGEM with FreeDOS before, so either something is happening with the particular kernel and freecom files in this distribution or it may be an issue with calling higher memory? Shane -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2
Michael, Eric, & All: I went into this round of tests with this configuration, and cut back progressively as I describe below: LASTDRIVE=Z BUFFERS=30 FILES=40 DOS=HIGH,UMB DOSDATA=UMB DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\HIMEM.EXE DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\EMM386.EXE NOEMS X=TEST VDS SHELL=C:\command.com C:\ /E:512 /P=C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT - SET DOSDIR=C:\FDOS SET PATH=C:\NET;C:\;C:\FDOS\bin;C:\DOSSHELL;C:\PKZIP SET TEMP=C:\FDOS\TEMP SET TMP=C:\FDOS\TEMP CTMOUSE I do not find any combination of options for EMM386 that will work: adding NOALTBOOT, removing VDS, removing NOEMS. If I do not load EMM386 at all and just run HIMEM (keeping DOS=HIGH,UMB and DOSDATA=UMB), GEM Draw, Doodle and Paint all reboot while loading. If I then also remove DOSDATA=UMB, all three programs either reboot or hang while loading. If I then also remove DOS=HIGH,UMB, all three programs will load, but all three hang while quitting. If I then also remove HIMEM, Draw both loads and quits, Doodle loads but hangs while quitting (except that the mouse pointer is still active), and there is insufficient memory to load Paint. If I then also remove CTMOUSE from AUTOEXEC and operate GEM in mouse-free keyboard mode, the results are yet slightly worse: all three programs hang while loading. I could add that I removed the ISA sound and network cards for this round of tests. Only the PCI video card was installed (though I let stand legacy IRQ reservations in the BIOS setup). I am working with OpenGEM 5, downloaded from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/downloads/complete/OPENGEM5.zip. This is the same version of GEM that runs fine under the same version of FreeDOS (with the same updates) on a 486 SX2-50 machine. As I said in an earlier post, I went into this problem with a computer that was running all my DOS games fine in the original more-complex configuration, and also served fine as a DOS network client, so there is some odd interaction between GEM/GEM Apps and FreeDOS at a low level on this machine. This despite the fact that GEM has always had such minimal requirements for hardware and operating system support. --John Hupp - Original Message - From: Michael Devore To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2 I'm in the middle of working full-time on two different projects, but I might be able to take a look at this in a week or two. Probably not sooner and possibly later. I'll need a download link for the problematic GEM, though. If it's kernel, I likely won't be able to help further. You might also try EMM386 NOALTBOOT option. I know GEOS needs that option, not that it has anything to do with GEM. Except for starting with a "GE", so maybe that's it. - Original Message - From: Eric Auer To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: emm386 idea hi, you should try without the noems option and/or without the vds option... eric ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2
At 11:38 AM 6/5/2006 -0400, John Hupp wrote: > I could also have added that all my DOS games (Doom, Quake, Duke, > Spacequest, Beneath A Steel Sky) run fine on this computer and configuration. > >On the chance that there was a physical memory problem I dropped from 16 >to 8 MB (no difference), and then also swapped in the extra 8 MB (no >difference). > >One thing I noticed in further testing was that Draw, Paint and Doodle >have the most problems. All freehand programs. And if they load >successfully, then they work until you try to close them. Artline is >rather stable by comparison, though it does not seem to offer a freehand >tool, at least that I could find quickly. > >If I drop all the way to no HIMEM and no EMM386, there is insufficient >memory to run Artline or Paint. Draw, Write, Tetris, Scgem, and Fanwor >all seemed to work. But Doodle locks the machine when it closes. > >If I add back HIMEM but not EMM386, Doodle causes a reboot while it is >loading. And Write and Draw lock up the machine while loading. > >If I add back HIMEM and EMM386, Doodle, Draw and Paint all lock up the >machine while closing. I'm in the middle of working full-time on two different projects, but I might be able to take a look at this in a week or two. Probably not sooner and possibly later. I'll need a download link for the problematic GEM, though. If it's kernel, I likely won't be able to help further. You might also try EMM386 NOALTBOOT option. I know GEOS needs that option, not that it has anything to do with GEM. Except for starting with a "GE", so maybe that's it. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2
I have more to report on this problem. I am using current stable: kernel - 1.1.35 Build 2035b-cvs, 2006-05-21 freecom - 0.84-pre XMS_Swap, 2006-05-21 himem + emm386 - from emmx208 or emm208x ZIP archive I might have added to the original post by saying that this problem does not occur on an older 486 SX2-50 (no math coprocessor) in an ISA-only motherboard. Only on this newer Pentium 100 with PCI + ISA. I could also have added that all my DOS games (Doom, Quake, Duke, Spacequest, Beneath A Steel Sky) run fine on this computer and configuration. On the chance that there was a physical memory problem I dropped from 16 to 8 MB (no difference), and then also swapped in the extra 8 MB (no difference). One thing I noticed in further testing was that Draw, Paint and Doodle have the most problems. All freehand programs. And if they load successfully, then they work until you try to close them. Artline is rather stable by comparison, though it does not seem to offer a freehand tool, at least that I could find quickly. If I drop all the way to no HIMEM and no EMM386, there is insufficient memory to run Artline or Paint. Draw, Write, Tetris, Scgem, and Fanwor all seemed to work. But Doodle locks the machine when it closes. If I add back HIMEM but not EMM386, Doodle causes a reboot while it is loading. And Write and Draw lock up the machine while loading. If I add back HIMEM and EMM386, Doodle, Draw and Paint all lock up the machine while closing. I saw a thread (March?) in the OpenGEM-dev list that for the OpenGEM/XM project, there was a user who, when he was running more than one GEM app with graphics under FreeDOS, there was some kind of interference. The opinion there was that the problem was traceable to the FreeDOS kernel, because the problem did not occur with a couple of other DOS kernels. This sort of behavior seemed related to what I am experiencing on this computer. --John Hupp P.S. my test config & autoexec, further simplified from the originally reported configurations - more mod reports above: LASTDRIVE=ZBUFFERS=30FILES=40DOS=HIGH,UMBDEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\HIMEM.EXEDEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\EMM386.EXE NOEMS X=TEST VDSSHELL=C:\command.com C:\ /E:512 /P=C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT -- SET PROMPT=$P$GSET DOSDIR=C:\FDOSSET PATH=C:\NET;C:\;C:\FDOS\bin;C:\DOSSHELL;C:\PKZIPSET TEMP=C:\FDOS\TEMPSET TMP=C:\FDOS\TEMP CTMOUSE ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2
Hi! 4-Июн-2006 13:46 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hupp) wrote to : JH> hitch I noticed is that a message flashed by at the outset - something about JH> TZ environment variable not found, I believe. This is dumb message from InfoZip. JH> But the installation did not JH> stop and seemed to finish without error. There is only one wrong thing with this - InfoZip incorrectly restores timestamps (shifted by some Time Zone hours amount). JH> IF EXIST C:\FDOS\BIN\MOUSE.EXE CTMOUSE -^-^^^ Isn't there is bug? ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 freezes/hangs/locks on FreeDOS 0.9 SR2
I'll be posting this to the OpenGEM list next, but some recent issue there seemed to implicate the FreeDOS kernel, so I'm starting here. I just loaded OpenGEM 5 (full version) on a pure FreeDOS 0.9 SR2 machine (Pentium 100, 16MB, Mustang socket 7 motherboard). The only installation hitch I noticed is that a message flashed by at the outset - something about TZ environment variable not found, I believe. But the installation did not stop and seemed to finish without error. OpenGEM starts fine and displays the desktop, but freezes whenever I try to run an application. One of the Help files loaded fine however. If I F5 to bypass FreeDOS startup files and then start OpenGEM, it loads but the mouse does not work. However the pointer will move in response to the arrow navigation keys. (I believe it will load CTMOUSE on its own.) This FreeDOS installation is as loaded by the SR2 CD, except that I updated the KERNEL to 1.1.35 Build 2035b-cvs, 2006-04-18 and COMMAND to 0.84-pre XMS_Swap, downloaded 2006-04-18 in cmdxms.HEAD.zip. My normal DOS configuration follows below. --John Hupp -- CONFIG.SYS SWITCHES=/F COUNTRY=001,858,C:\FDOS\BIN\COUNTRY.SYS SET LANG=EN LASTDRIVE=Z BUFFERS=30 FILES=40 DOS=HIGH,UMB DOSDATA=UMB SET DIRCMD=/OGN /4 DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\HIMEM.EXE DEVICE=C:\FDOS\BIN\EMM386.EXE X=TEST VDS DEVICEHIGH=C:\CDROM\OAKCDROM.SYS /D:FDCD0001 SHELL=C:\command.com C:\ /E:512 /P=C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT AUTOEXEC.BAT --- SET PROMPT=$P$G SET DOSDIR=C:\FDOS SET PATH=C:\NET;C:\;C:\FDOS\bin;C:\DOSSHELL;C:\PKZIP SET NLSPATH=C:\FDOS\NLS SET HELPPATH=C:\FDOS\HELP SET TEMP=C:\FDOS\TEMP SET TMP=C:\FDOS\TEMP SET CODEPAGE=858 SET WATTCP.CFG=C:\FDOS\BIN SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 T4 IF EXIST C:\FDOS\BIN\MOUSE.EXE CTMOUSE LH LBACACHE.COM LH C:\SHSUCD\SHSUCDHD.EXE /F:?C:\GAMES\SKY\CD.ISO SHSUCDX /Q+ /D:?FDCD0001 /D:SHSU-CDH C:\ESSUTIL\ESSCFG.EXE /A:220 /I:5 /D:1 /E:5 /B:330 /J:E ! C:\ESSUTIL\ESSVOL.EXE /V:8 /L:8 /W:8 /M:0 /C:8 /S:8 /A:8 DOSSHELL /G:M2 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM 6 Development 2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hello all Some news for people who are waiting for the next major release of OpenGEM. "Huh?" Some people scratch their head. "Are you talking about the new multi-tasking OpenGEM/XM experimental code?" No. I'm not. The experimental OpenGEM/XM code is experimental. It's not going to be ready for general use for a while. The next major release of OpenGEM will be single-tasking, and will be building on OpenGEM 5. In other words, it'll be small, stable, and designed for easy use. OpenGEM 6 will bring some new features to the OpenGEM world. It's going to have support for HP deskjet printers and postscript printers "out-of-the-box", and work is underway to introduce a new package management system to make it easy to install and remove GEM applications. The newest development version of OpenGEM 6 is now online here: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/downloads/OpenGEM6Dev2.zip It will be active at this link for at least seven days (until 20:00 GMT, March 20th). It has one big change from previous OpenGEM versions. There is a highly experimental new feature to put OpenGEM into only one folder on your C:\ drive. To do this, you get one folder (OPENGEM) and one file (GEM.BAT) in your C:\ root. When you run GEM.BAT it SUBSTs the OPENGEM folder to the imaginary drive O:. This feature may or may not make it into the final shipping version. Testing and feedback is requested. Regards Shane - -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk - --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org - --- Organisations: http://www.fsfeurope.orghttp://www.fsf.org http://www.labour.org.ukhttp://www.opensourceacademy.gov.uk - --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3rc2-cvs4061: (MingW32) iQCVAwUBRBXUVNwG3M95JPpzAQhkAAQAqNpVsIoDdnQOfWuwM9uswhV9ZCyWhGKu 4azIfWy/m7zI2cigIR8XxGY+7V1eSza94QfcULGk/rBYlXT4j6FPkHILCPXPVpKr Y/yAIGH4iJj/lpFP71ThLULDGpRg6KH+PGRteGjli2GHIv4FFC6BJleTNqcUkWPy xxL/I9pm1tA= =d89b -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM/XM Development 2 now out
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hello everyone The second development package of what will become OpenGEM/XM (a multi-tasking version of OpenGEM) is now on line. You can download it here: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/downloads/OpenGEMXM.zip This development version sees a new directory structure for OpenGEM that means it only creates one directory in your C:\ drive. It makes everything a little neater. To run OpenGEM/XM Development 2, just run GEM.BAT after unzipping everything to your C: root and keeping the folder structure. Do NOT install this over an existing OpenGEM installation, as the directory structures are different and you'll end up with a mess. If you are using OpenGEM 5 or previous, and want to try this, please backup OpenGEM 5 and delete all the files. The code here is FreeGEM/XM 3.0beta4 (http://www.deltasoft.com/downloads/gemxm.zip) and John Elliott's new GEMVDI for GEM/XM (http://www.seasip.info/Gem/Software/qdxm2.zip). These were installed with the applications from OpenGEM 5 Complete and a new version of GEM.BAT. Please try out this system, and let me know if it works for you! We are working towards having a wonderful multi-tasking GUI for FreeDOS really soon. Regards Shane - -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk - --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org - --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3-cvs-4055: (MingW32) iQCVAwUBRBCeoNwG3M95JPpzAQhcbwQArBaujP/i4Ru/0g6+yu/f95GZDMIH4GP2 Zs8k2tA9Nq9ty82W2ac9fuTYFhypzMQ1KOf4bq3mDMiFnOx2ingNsr0VrnkqOOAq m4spfeehHpKDegY6CSuIBZNvaOFZqo0YiQYc0JelB+CpWgTG4xgnpcDzHDOmpvki tALp4NLSNWs= =h9yP -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM Complete 5 is out now (GUI for FreeDOS)
Almost a month behind its smaller sister, OpenGEM Complete 5 is out now. You can download it from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk This is a massive update from OpenGEM Complete 4, with a completely new user interface, 3D boxes, and drive auto-detection. To install it over an existing version of OpenGEM, simply run the installer, and when if prompted agree to overwrite existing files. Many thanks to Daniel Quintiliani for helping to debug this release, and many thanks to all of you for waiting so patiently. There will be an updated OpenGEM SDK out within two days with more documentation and new source code. Meanwhile, if you need the latest GEM desktop or AES source code, it can be obtained from http://www.seasip.info. Best regards and a happy new year Shane OpenGEM Project Leader -- Shane Martin Coughlan e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] m: +447773180107 w: www.shaneland.co.uk --- Projects: http://mobility.opendawn.comhttp://gem.opendawn.com http://enigmail.mozdev.org http://www.winpt.org --- OpenPGP: http://www.shaneland.co.uk/personalpages/shane/files/publickey.asc --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM 5 Core GUI for FreeDOS released
Hello all I'm delighted to announce that OpenGEM 5 Core has been released. You can download it right away from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk. OpenGEM 5 Core is the first release of the next generation of the OpenGEM GUI, a GPL GUI distribution for DOS. It has many advanced features. These include, but are not limited to: - 3D windows - Automatic drive detection - An internal file viewer - New system fonts - New pointer icons - Automatically viewing contents of .TXT,.INF,.NFO,.BAT and .CFG files These powerful features were added to the FreeGEM codebase by John Elliott. OpenGEM 5 Core is tiny. It's around half the size of OpenGEM 4 Core, even though it's a lot more powerful. The download size of OpenGEM 5 Core is only 300kb, and when installed it's only 500kb. OpenGEM 5 Core is intended to be the best choice around for a FreeDOS File Manager. The OpenGEM 5 family is designed to be the GUI of choice for FreeDOS 1.0. Because we want to make sure everything works perfectly, we're not going to rush releases. OpenGEM 5 Core is out now, OpenGEM 5 Complete should appear before the end of December, and OpenGEM 5 Deutsch is projected to be complete sometime next year. Special packages to update OpenGEM 4 Core to OpenGEM 5 Core will be released later this month. Best regards to all Shane Coughlan http://gem.shaneland.co.uk --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM and GEM Drivers for DOS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello guys I wanted to let you know that John Elliott has created a special section in his website listing all the GEM video, printer, metafile and imaging drivers that he could find. To quote from his release email: "Those drivers which I've been able to find and which have the DRI copyright message, I've made downloadable. Of the others, I've highlighted them in red if no copy is known to exist on the Web, and in yellow if I've got a copy but the copyright message indicates non-DRI authorship." This should help make sure the OpenGEM GUI can run on as many DOS systems as possible. John's driver list is at: http://www.seasip.info/Gem/Drivers/index.html OpenGEM can be downloaded from: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk Regards - -- Shane M. Coughlan BA(hons) MA EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: www.shaneland.co.uk MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL: ShaneMCoughlan Yahoo: shane_c ICQ: 32280303 - -- "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." - Douglas Adams - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDH4rgTa6KuhPvdOoRAoI0AJ4/CvmTv+VamkwVWaKcik2H2EE1vACg2FDy WQ1Celo5N42l3tOY0vyiwtw= =hqBd -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM and GEM Drivers for DOS
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello guys I wanted to let you know that John Elliott has created a special section in his website listing all the GEM video, printer, metafile and imaging drivers that he could find. To quote from his release email: "Those drivers which I've been able to find and which have the DRI copyright message, I've made downloadable. Of the others, I've highlighted them in red if no copy is known to exist on the Web, and in yellow if I've got a copy but the copyright message indicates non-DRI authorship." This should help make sure the OpenGEM GUI can run on as many DOS systems as possible. John's driver list is at: http://www.seasip.info/Gem/Drivers/index.html OpenGEM can be downloaded from: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk Regards - -- Shane M. Coughlan BA(hons) MA EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: www.shaneland.co.uk MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL: ShaneMCoughlan Yahoo: shane_c ICQ: 32280303 - -- "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." - - Douglas Adams -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDH5XPTa6KuhPvdOoRAhH7AKDHqCOnzi492xeKgK36SB1K0QJMNgCbBTE8 SVQV8JQSxMx/hV3IZ1MibBw= =T4Xt -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM GUI goes German! Official release today...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - - OpenGEM Deutsch is now available (12/8/05) Thanks to the heroic work of Thorsten Franke, OpenGEM Deutsch is now complete and is officially released! This German language version of OpenGEM is almost identical to OpenGEM Core, though it has a slightly less modern desktop and includes more driver files. It features drag and drop support, a word processor, and is 100% compatible with the English versions of OpenGEM. You can download it from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk Thorsten is officially in charge of OpenGEM Deutsch, and will be working to develop both this software, and improve the English version of OpenGEM. Regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gem.shaneland.co.uk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFC/KsiTa6KuhPvdOoRAgIKAJ4nuV2pA/BPV8MB4rcmbhNg4B/DaACeOjEz EVK48zMU4UI8tJqtLdfLhlc= =gBbm -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM GUI updated
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - - OpenGEM Release 4 Update 4 now available (9/8/05) OpenGEM Core, Complete and Experimental have now been updated. OpenGEM Release 4 Update 4 patches are available from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/updates.html, and you can download the full versions of the OpenGEM software from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/fullversions.html Update 4 adds new functionality to the desktop (FILE > SHOW CONTENTS from Viewmax), and corrects a minor bug with selecting desktop preferences. I just wanted to let you all know that we have had zero bug reports regarding conflicts with running on FreeDOS recently. It looks like OpenGEM is fully stablised on the platform. OpenGEM Deutsch RC1 has also generated zero bug reports so far. If no errors are reported in the next few days, OpenGEM Deutsch will be available as a final release version for FreeDOS on Friday. Regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gem.shaneland.co.uk - --- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFC9/3pROnltWY8uXARAi3AAJ9JXvqe2/81ZMsfBBjId5g68NEmaACeM5jo E0nPEW2atRlVr2vG799/83E= =dPxp -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM goes multi-lingual, and development of a multi-tasking GEM is underway
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear everyone I thought I would share some news that may be of interest to a lot of people out there. First of all, OpenGEM is after going German! OpenGEM Deutsch is now at release candidate 1, and should be a fully functional German OpenGEM! We'd love if you downloaded it and tested it on your FreeDOS machines (or DR DOS, REAL/32 etc etc), and let us know if everything works okay. You can download OpenGEM Deutsch Release 4 RC1 from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk Thank you to Thorsten Franke for making this possible. Secondly, OpenGEM is nearly ready to go multi-tasking. This is big news. OpenGEM is a stable GUI with applications, bindings for many languages, and a SDK. It's popular, and growing its userbase all the time. Once we're multi-tasking (IMHO) we'll be a pretty killer app for FreeDOS. Windows 3.1 eat your heart out :P OpenGEM/XM will be based on the FreeGEM/XM beta 4 code, which is almost stable and is itself based on the DR GEM/XM code. It has functioned on several machines already. However, it needs debugging and some additional programming. Therefore, consider this a call for programmers! If you can use C please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and help me get this system out there. I'd love to see FreeDOS get a stable, mature multi-tasking GUI as soon as possible. Meanwhile, if you are interested in developing for OpenGEM, don't forget that there is a SDK at http://gem.shaneland.co.uk New GEM applications are always welcome, and if you use the GDScript language to make GEM front-ends to DOS applications as well. That could be an interesting idea. Imagine if users had the option to call FreeDOS applications from inside GEM? Now, before we all get too excited (or bored), I'd like to ask something. I want to know what you guys would like to see OpenGEM become for its future with FreeDOS. What functions and abilities do you want to see, what do you want to avoid, and what do you think would be cool? For some of my own ideas, you can see a small interview with me talking about OpenGEM in general here: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/interview1.html There is an interview with me talking about the OpenGEM Release 4 family here: http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/interview2.html Regards to all Shane - -- Shane M. Coughlan BA(hons) MA EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: www.shaneland.co.uk MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL: ShaneMCoughlan Yahoo: shane_c ICQ: 32280303 - -- "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." - Douglas Adams - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFC9LfdROnltWY8uXARArRKAKDLc5gUci9MZ7/a2Muzptq2hgOd+ACg5alb KAMyp3lOHEbh0sWx/jD6Zmw= =Bd9Y -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference & EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile & Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects & Teams * Testing & QA Security * Process Improvement & Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM Release 4 Update 3 now online
The OpenGEM Release 4 family of software has now been updated. The best little FreeDOS GUI is getting more stable :P OpenGEM Core, Complete, Experimental and Deutsch have been updated to include a metafile driver that was previously missing from OpenGEM Release 4. The lack of this driver caused some applications to fail to start. OpenGEM Release 4 Update 3 patches are now online (if you are an OpenGEM Deutsch user the patch is called Beta 2). You can download the updates or the latest full version of the OpenGEM software from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk Best regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] gem.shaneland.co.uk --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM got slashdotted
In a surprise move the other day, Slashdot posted a new snippet about OpenGEM. I'm not sure how much traffic this generated for FreeDOS (which was linked from the news article), but it's certainly swamped my site. If you want to read the news article you can do so here: http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/27/0356202&tid=189 There's some interesting comment centering around the use of FreeDOS, the problems with graphical user interfaces, and a little bit of random insulting of my ego. Meanwhile, OpenGEM Release 4 has almost reached one thousand downloads in the first two weeks of its release. OpenGEM Complete has been downloaded 627 times, OpenGEM Core has been downloaded 193 times, and OpenGEM Experimental has been downloaded 154 times. Regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gem.shaneland.co.uk --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM got slashdotted
In a surprise move the other day, Slashdot posted a new snippet about OpenGEM. I'm not sure how much traffic this generated for FreeDOS (which was linked from the news article), but it's certainly swamped my site. If you want to read the news article you can do so here: http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/27/0356202&tid=189 There's some interesting comment centering around the use of FreeDOS, the problems with graphical user interfaces, and a little bit of random insulting of my ego. Meanwhile, OpenGEM Release 4 has almost reached one thousand downloads in the first two weeks of its release. OpenGEM Complete has been downloaded 627 times, OpenGEM Core has been downloaded 193 times, and OpenGEM Experimental has been downloaded 154 times. Regards Shane --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM Core, Complete and Experimental have been updated
OpenGEM Core, Complete and Experimental have been updated. Release 4 Update 2 of these software packages is now online at http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/downloads.html. If you are an existing user of Release 4 Update 1 you can download an update package from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk/updates.html This update includes the new OpenGEM FAQ and OpenGEM User Guide. The OpenGEM Complete Release 4 Update 2 is an important update, as it adds missing driver files to the package. These updates are part of Shane Land's continuing commitment to supporting the FreeDOS community with a great GUI. If you have any comments, suggestions or bug reports, please contact us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are particuarly interested in hearing about any stability issues with FreeDOS Beta 9, or about any conflicts that OpenGEM may cause. Regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] gem.shaneland.co.uk --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM Release 4 IMPORTANT UPDATE!
Shane Land is rather embarressed to announce updates to OpenGEM Release 4 just one day after the official launch! OpenGEM, the GUI intended to provide support for the FreeDOS 1.0 release, has some problems! OpenGEM Release 4 Complete, Core and Experimental had some issues that were discovered by Daniel Quintiliani of the GNU/DOS project over at http://danq.lunarpages.com/gnudos/ 1) The REPAIR function used to restore essential system files was faulty. 2) The "Exit to DOS" function of the GEM launching file was faulty on some versions of DOS. In addition, we discovered that the UPDATE and INSTALL functions of OpenGEM were not working correctly on OpenGEM Release 4 Complete, Core and Experimental. These issues have all been corrected, and an updated version of OpenGEM Release 4 Complete, Core or Experimental can be downloaded from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk. If you have already installed OpenGEM Release 4, you can get an update patch for OpenGEM Complete, Core or Experimental by visiting http://gem.shaneland.co.uk. To install the update, simply extract the zipfile to C:\ and recreate subfolders while overwriting files. You can look at this two ways...one way is to think that even after all these months of development Shane Land still releases buggy software...the other way is that we took 24 hours to fix the problem after we were told about it. Regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] gem.shaneland.co.uk --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM Release 4 is now online (FreeDOS gets a big boost in the GUI arena!)
Shane Land is proud to announce three new software products. OpenGEM Release 4 Core, OpenGEM Release 4 Complete and OpenGEM Release 4 Experimental are now online at http://gem.shaneland.co.uk OpenGEM Release 4 is the release of the GEM GUI designed to operate effectively with FreeDOS 1.0. It's small, light, and fast. Best of all, it has been carefully tested to ensure it's one of the most reliable choices for file management you can get. OpenGEM Release 4 is a single-tasking 16bit GUI. It has configuration tools (SETUP.BAT at C:\) and will detect upgrades or new applications to be installed. It can even repair itself if the core GUI sustains damage. OpenGEM Release 4 is the ninth formal release of OpenGEM software, and the tenth public release of the software. It builds on a distribution that was started in late 2001, and which went through five beta releases before OpenGEM 1.0.0. The core code of OpenGEM is based on Digital Research's GEM, a solid GUI platform developed commercially in the 1980s. OpenGEM Release 4 Core OpenGEM Release 4 Core is not a complete OpenGEM distribution. It contains the core GUI of OpenGEM, but none of the applications like word processing, DTP etc. It is intended to help you manage your files, and it can be upgraded to include more GEM applications and features through packages that will be made available on the OpenGEM website. This software replaces GEMini Release 3. OpenGEM Release 4 Complete OpenGEM Release 4 Complete is a complete OpenGEM distribution. It contains the core GUI of OpenGEM, and all of the applications like word processing, DTP etc. It is intended as a complete graphical work enviroment for end-users. This software replaces OpenGEM Release 3. OpenGEM Release 4 Experimental OpenGEM Release 4 Experimental contains the same files and functionality as OpenGEM Release 4 Core, but uses more of the experimental code from the FreeGEM community. It has 3D menus, and more features than the standard OpenGEM release, though it is not assured to run as smoothly. You can get OpenGEM Release 4 Core, OpenGEM Release 4 Complete and OpenGEM Release 4 Experimental for free by going to http://gem.shaneland.co.uk OpenGEM is released under the GNU GPL. The OpenGEM SDK contains the source code, and development tools for working with OpenGEM. You can download the OpenGEM SDK from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk Here is a list of OpenGEM Releases: OpenGEM Release 4 - 15th July 2005 OpenGEM Release 4RC1 - 20th June 2005 OpenGEM Release 3 - 10th August 2004 OpenGEM 2.2.0 - 1st October 2003 OpenGEM 2.1.0 - 6th June 2003 OpenGEM 2.0.0 - 19th May 2003 OpenGEM 1.2.0 - 12th September 2002 OpenGEM 1.1.0 - 7th August 2002 OpenGEM 1.0.1 - 3th August 2002 OpenGEM 1.0.0 - 20th July 2002 Regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] gem.shaneland.co.uk --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477&alloc_id=16492&op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM SDK Release 1 now out!
GEM can do word processing, DTP, spread sheets, draw vector graphics and do some basic web browsing. GEM can also execute DOS applications from inside GEM (so that you'll return to GEM when the DOS application exits). It can also play MP3s (although some versions of GEMP3 don't seem to like running on plain DOS). There are some limitations to GEM. - It uses the first 640kb of memory, so it can run out of memory if you execute large applications (especially DTP or DOS applications from inside GEM) This can be 'cured' by using DJGPP - obviously, this'll require a 386 or greater, but you then have the full system's memory available to you. - It is a single-tasking enviroment Unless you use GEM/XM, of course. :-) - It is not LFN aware It can be made LFN-aware though, as Kristaps says, if there's an LFN driver loaded (eg, LFNDOS or DOSLFN or whichever way round it is, or Windows). GEMP3, for example, can make use of long filenames if it's passed them, as the DJGPP runtime automatically makes use of an LFN driver if one is loaded. Note that the GEM file selector doesn't, of course, as it's not been programmed to. -- Owen Rudge http://www.owenrudge.net/ --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Yahoo. Introducing Yahoo! Search Developer Network - Create apps using Yahoo! Search APIs Find out how you can build Yahoo! directly into your own Applications - visit http://developer.yahoo.net/?fr=offad-ysdn-ostg-q22005 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM SDK Release 1 now out!
> There are some limitations to GEM. > - It uses the first 640kb of memory, so it can run out of memory if you > execute large applications (especially DTP or DOS applications from inside > GEM) But any GEM application can use EMS or XMS to get more memory. > - It is not LFN aware Not true! GEM applications is not LFN aware, not GEM itself. GEM does not have filesystem API, GEM applications use Int21h to access filesystem. Any developer, if he wants, can add LFN support to any GEM application. Another limitation of GEM is that it have only monochrome, 4-color and 16-color graphics drivers. And AFAIK, for VESA SuperVGA there is only 800x600 driver. (without the ability to change display refresh rate, even on VESA 3.0 cards) -- Kristaps Kaupe, http://kristaps.netparks.lv pgp5BdQ23Y9Be.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM SDK Release 1 now out!
Thanks for your work. Can you please tell me any applications that can run on GEM? Or any limitation of GEM (e.g. DOS extender needed?) First of all, there are many applications that can run on GEM. OpenGEM Release 3 includes a great deal of these applications. Here is a partial list: - GEM 1st Mail - Artline 1.01 - Convert 2.00 - Dicmerge 2.00 - GEM Draw 2.0 - Edicon 2.01 - FreeGEM Doodle 2.2 - GDScript 2.0 - GEMWeb 0.3b - GEM Graph 1.01 - Map Editor 1.01 - GEM Paint 2.0 - GEM Publisher 2 - SCGEM 1 - GEM Tetris 3 - GEM WordChart 1.0 - GEM 1st WordPlus 2.00 - Fntmerge GEM can do word processing, DTP, spread sheets, draw vector graphics and do some basic web browsing. GEM can also execute DOS applications from inside GEM (so that you'll return to GEM when the DOS application exits). There are some limitations to GEM. - It uses the first 640kb of memory, so it can run out of memory if you execute large applications (especially DTP or DOS applications from inside GEM) - It is a single-tasking enviroment - It is not LFN aware However, you need nothing in addition to DOS to run GEM, and it should run on almost any machine. My recommended specs are a 386, but you'll find GEM happily runs on machines as low as 80086. The OpenGEM SDK provides a way for people to program for GEM, and includes all the information and sources that they need, along with language bindings. I have released this SDK for two reasons - Previously GEM programming information and sources was spread around the net, making it hard to start creating GEM applications - I have a vision of creating a really good file manager and GUI solution for FreeDOS 1.0, and OpenGEM is my proposed realistion of this vision. Right now I'm finalising GEMini Release 3, which will provide a really fast and stable drag and drop file manager for FreeDOS. In around a month beta testing of OpenGEM Release 4 will start. OpenGEM Release 4 will provide a complete GUI enviroment for FreeDOS that gives users three things: - Reliability - Scalability - Usability Reliability OpenGEM is reaching the forth generation release of the software. It's been released and maintained since 2002, and has been in development since 2001. OpenGEM is based on code that was commercially developed and released in the 1980s. It's pretty solid, and OpenGEM Release 4 will focus carefully on creating a product that is as close to commercially stable software as possible (even though it's GPL software!). Scalability OpenGEM currently provides a complete GUI enviroment and application set. OpenGEM Release 4 will move beyond this. There will be two primary releases of OpenGEM 1 - OpenGEM Core A small set of the default core componants to run OpenGEM. It will be a little bigger than the current GEMini file manager, and it will provide a stable, fast GUI for end users. It will replace GEMini as a software product. 2 - OpenGEM Complete The default core componants of OpenGEM plus additional drivers for printers, video cards and complete font sets. This will provide an extended GUI system for users who plan to install and use a lot of GEM applications in multiple roles. OpenGEM Core can be easily updated to OpenGEM Complete with downloadable packs of printer and video drivers, and font sets. There will be a new automatic install system for OpenGEM Release 4 that allows system updates and applications installs to happen virtually hands-free. You simply put the install file in a directory, and start OpenGEM. It does the rest of the work. The GEM applications will be downloadable in seperate packs, so people can choose exactly what they want to install of their system, and there is no bloating of the distribution packages. Usability OpenGEM Release 4 will focus on making sure the end-user has as little hassle as possible installing and using the software. It will install and set itself up using information we have gathered from end-users over the last couple of years, and it will make it simple to - change system settings - update system software - install new applications - repair the system in case something goes wrong Updates and installations are almost completely automatic in OpenGEM Release 4, and the setup application is being overhauled to make sure it's easier to use than ever before. So there you have it. I'm working to try and make sure FreeDOS has the absolute best GUI file manager and complete GUI system options ready for the 1.0 release, and with the OpenGEM SDK release I'm providing tools to make sure that people can always maintain or update the system. Here is the roadmap of development: - GEMini Release 3 released (June) - OpenGEM Release 4 Core RC1 released (late June) - OpenGEM Release 4 Core RC2 released (July) - OpenGEM Release 4 Complete RC1 released (July) - OpenGEM SDK Release 2 released (July) - OpenGEM Release 4 Core released (late July) - OpenGEM Release 4 Complete released (late July) The
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM SDK Release 1 now out!
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 03:14:56 +0900, you wrote: Hi Shane, >I am proud to announce the official release of the OpenGEM SDK. OpenGEM SDK >Release 1 is now available for immediate download from >http://gem.shaneland.co.uk. Thanks for your work. Can you please tell me any applications that can run on GEM? Or any limitation of GEM (e.g. DOS extender needed?) Thanks. Rgds, Johnson. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Yahoo. Introducing Yahoo! Search Developer Network - Create apps using Yahoo! Search APIs Find out how you can build Yahoo! directly into your own Applications - visit http://developer.yahoo.net/?fr=offad-ysdn-ostg-q22005 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM SDK Release 1 now out!
This is mirrored at: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/gui/opengem/sdk/ Shane M. Coughlan wrote: Dear everyone I am proud to announce the official release of the OpenGEM SDK. OpenGEM SDK Release 1 is now available for immediate download from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk. OpenGEM SDK is a collection of tools, source code and binary for the creation of OpenGEM/GEM/FreeGEM applications. It includes: - GEM bindings for Pacific C, DGJPP and Turbo Pascal - Pacific C compiler - DR GEM 3.13 complete binaries source code - FreeGEM AES binaries and source code - FreeGEM desktops binaries and source code - Multiple GEM binaries of core units (DR GEM 1.2, 2.0, 3.0 etc) - GEM binaries for all applications released under GPL - Many source code sections for GEM applications - All the GEM driver binaries and source code - Many tools for making and altering GEM code and settings - Documentation to help you get started In short, OpenGEM SDK Release 1 is the one-stop-shop to get started with creating applications for GEM, or for altering the GEM GUI enviroment. It's the most complete collection of tools, code and applications yet released for the platform. Regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] gem.shaneland.co.uk -- I'm sorry my president's an idiot. I didn't vote for him. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Yahoo. Introducing Yahoo! Search Developer Network - Create apps using Yahoo! Search APIs Find out how you can build Yahoo! directly into your own Applications - visit http://developer.yahoo.net/?fr=offad-ysdn-ostg-q22005 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM SDK Release 1 now out!
Dear everyone I am proud to announce the official release of the OpenGEM SDK. OpenGEM SDK Release 1 is now available for immediate download from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk. OpenGEM SDK is a collection of tools, source code and binary for the creation of OpenGEM/GEM/FreeGEM applications. It includes: - GEM bindings for Pacific C, DGJPP and Turbo Pascal - Pacific C compiler - DR GEM 3.13 complete binaries source code - FreeGEM AES binaries and source code - FreeGEM desktops binaries and source code - Multiple GEM binaries of core units (DR GEM 1.2, 2.0, 3.0 etc) - GEM binaries for all applications released under GPL - Many source code sections for GEM applications - All the GEM driver binaries and source code - Many tools for making and altering GEM code and settings - Documentation to help you get started In short, OpenGEM SDK Release 1 is the one-stop-shop to get started with creating applications for GEM, or for altering the GEM GUI enviroment. It's the most complete collection of tools, code and applications yet released for the platform. Regards Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] gem.shaneland.co.uk --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Yahoo. Introducing Yahoo! Search Developer Network - Create apps using Yahoo! Search APIs Find out how you can build Yahoo! directly into your own Applications - visit http://developer.yahoo.net/?fr=offad-ysdn-ostg-q22005 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM Release 4 confirmed, GEMini Release 3 announed
Dear everyone This is an email regarding the OpenGEM distribution of FreeGEM, which is a free GPL GUI intended for use on FreeDOS (and other DOS systems). I am proud to confirm that OpenGEM Release 4 will be released on the 31st of January 2005. OpenGEM Release 4 will build on the highly successful third generation of the software, and expand the documentation to make it easier to install and use the system. OpenGEM Release 4 is intended to provide FreeDOS and other DOS users with the best combination of simplicity and power available under the GPL license. GEMini Release 3, a gui file manager for FreeDOS with drag and drop features, will be released on the 28th of February 2005. GEMini is intended to provide FreeDOS users with an simple tiny file manager (400kb when installed) that has the power to quickly move, copy or delete files. Both OpenGEM and GEMini are built on DR GEM, a stable and well tested 16bit GUI enviroment. This is not experimental software, unfinished software, or buggy software. It is now extensively used and tested on a wide range of DOS machines. OpenGEM is designed to be the definitive GUI for FreeDOS 1.0, and GEMini is designed to satisfy the need for a powerful file manager for FreeDOS 1.0. There will be update patches to update OpenGEM Release 3 to OpenGEM Release 4, and GEMini Release 2 to GEMini Release 3. The update patches will be released on the same day as the new software. You can download this software at http://gem.shaneland.co.uk Earlier in the month we had some problems with links on the website, but these issues are now corrected. You can download the source files for the GEM technology at www.deltasoft.com and www.seasip.info. Best wishes Shane Coughlan --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IntelliVIEW -- Interactive Reporting Tool for open source databases. Create drag-&-drop reports. Save time by over 75%! Publish reports on the web. Export to DOC, XLS, RTF, etc. Download a FREE copy at http://www.intelliview.com/go/osdn_nl ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM Release 3 is now out
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:01:56 -0500, you wrote: Hi Joe, >> >> 667-1 Butsushozanchokou >> >Say that 3 times really fast :-) >> You know Japanese? >No, it was a joke. :-) It sounds funny :-) I hope Shane will have a good time in Japan and make OpenGEM even better. I've been there (Takamatsu) last year, bad timing ... Rgds, Johnson. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink & Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM Release 3 is now out
> On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:11:35 -0500, you wrote: > > Hi Joe, > > >> 667-1 Butsushozanchokou > >Say that 3 times really fast :-) > > You know Japanese? No, it was a joke. :-) --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink & Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM Release 3 is now out
On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:11:35 -0500, you wrote: Hi Joe, >> 667-1 Butsushozanchokou >Say that 3 times really fast :-) You know Japanese? Rgds, Johnson. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink & Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] OpenGEM Release 3 is now out
> 667-1 Butsushozanchokou Say that 3 times really fast :-) Joe --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink & Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] OpenGEM Release 3 is now out
OpenGEM Release 3 is now officially out, and can be download for free from http://gem.shaneland.co.uk (4.32mb download) OpenGEM Release 3 is designed for FreeDOS, and is intended to provide a simple and powerful GUI for the FreeDOS community as it progresses towards version 1.0 of the operating system. OpenGEM Release 3 has been tested in BETA form by several members of the FreeDOS community, and no errors have been reported so far :) In fact, testing has had some pretty positive feedback. To quote one tester: "OpenGEM 3 Beta is way better than OpenGEM 2. It runs DOS games pretty well. It never crashed while I used it, and I ran a few of the programs and they seem to work fine. OpenGEM 2 had a handful of annoying problems, which are fixed in OpenGEM 3. Woohoo! In essence, OpenGEM 2 kind of sucked, but OpenGEM 3 is quite nice! Keep up the good work!" Another user said: "OpenGEM is running quite well, the record is 14 hours without crashing. and that is just in 3 days." The third generation of the OpenGEM GUI distribution features many advances from the previous versions, not least a vastly improved memory overhead and increased stability. It is also almost one megabyte smaller than OpenGEM 2.2.0. OpenGEM Release 3 is 8.7mb fully installed, as opposed to OpenGEM 2.2.0's 9.5mb. Amazingly this is not at the cost of removing applications. OpenGEM Release 3 features all the GEM applications people have become used to, including word processing, web browsing, spreadsheet and DTP software. The motto with this third generation release is to get rid of junk, cut out unused options, and generally think "switch on and use" when it comes to the distribution. I believe that OpenGEM is pretty much the number one 16bit GPL GUI, and I hope to further consolidate this position with this new release. No one even comes close in the range of applications, development and reliability. The good news is that OpenGEM Release 3 is designed to be much easier to use, to update, and generally to maintain on your machine than ever before. It is designed to be the most simple, most effective and most useful 16bit GPL graphical user interface for DOS based computers. OpenGEM Release 3 will be supported by myself and my website (http://gem.shaneland.co.uk) until at least December 2005. I will continue to support OpenGEM 2.2.0 and GEMini Release 2 until the same date. If you need support simply email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the meantime I am moving to Japan on the 24th of August! My address (in case anyone wants to drop by) is going to be Shane Coughlan #A-102 Sunlight Heights 667-1 Butsushozanchokou Takamatsu-Shi Kagawa-Ken 761-8078 Japan On a final note, I see that FreeDOS is now ten years old. Congratulations all your FreeDOS people. OpenGEM is three years old this year, and GEM itself is actually having a bit of a special birthday. DR GEM is twenty years old (it was first released in 1984). We should all have parties :P Best regards Shane http://gem.shaneland.co.uk PS: Jim said he'd place a note on the FreeDOS site about OpenGEM when he gets back from vacation. Lucky chap. PPS: I am aware that I announced I would not develop OpenGEM further last May, but people just kept emailing me. I gave in. I just have to continue the development of this software :P PPPS: In case you are curious about the software, but cannot be bothered to go to the website, here is some information: OpenGEM Release 3 - Get a graphical user interface that's good for you As FreeDOS reaches version 1.0, the DOS world needs to have software that is easy to install, easy to use, and easy to apply to individual problems. OpenGEM qualifies for all three 'easies.' It's a realistic contender for being a base component on PCs that need a small and powerful graphical user interface. OpenGEM is not about fancy skins, colourful wallpaper, or 3D gaming. OpenGEM is about understanding that DOS users need some simple, reliable applications to do their jobs, and they don't want rubbish to fill their hard drives. Perhaps we're biased, but we believe OpenGEM is by far the best 16bit single tasking GPL GUI and application set that you can get for DOS. - Use a graphical user interface without a degree in rocket science When you install OpenGEM (through its automatic install files!) you just go to C:\ and type GEM. That's it. OpenGEM starts, and you get to play with your graphical user interface right away. What's more, OpenGEM works on almost any IBM PC ever made. As long as it has a 086 or above processor, and 512kb of RAM, OpenGEM should start itself happily. And the best part is that OpenGEM looks and feels pretty much like any other 'windowing' system out there. This means you should be up and running in no time at all. - Run applications without problems GEM, FreeGEM and OpenGEM applications almost always run first time, every time. They are small, compact, and don't need endless updates just to function. In fact, the only thi
