Re: IDE Developers' guide

Yes, Emacs is the original IDE -- I mean, its name stands for "editor macros". This isn't a guide for those people. This is for the "new breed" of developers who think the command line is some obscure form of ancient scribe. -Andy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: F

Re: IDE Developers' guide

Gotcha. I'll note it in there. Danny Angus wrote: Yeah I know, but not everyone wants to install cygwin, but everyone ought to want those *nix commands! -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 26 November 2002 14:56 To: Jakarta General

Re: IDE Developers' guide

www.cygwin.com has a port of just about everything. including a "decent shell" emulator for winblowz. Danny Angus wrote: Guys, I don't know if this is relevant, I guess people can run external tools from their IDE's, but I just sent someone else this link 'cos it has a win32 port of patch. htt

new "love guides" for "ide developers"

I've committed and updated the "love guides" (http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idedevelopers.html) and added a new guide for netbeans. Thanks to Werner Punz of the Jetspeed project for that. I've also applied Brian Ewins patch to source/getinvolved. Thanks Brian! And there are some updates to

Re: IDE Developers' guide

, and let IDEA work its magic refactoring my code and just making life that much easier. But, of course, when the abstraction leaks, I know how to plug it (or at least where to look). -Jim Moore -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, Novem

Re: IDE Developers' guide

And why the heck should they? Any decent software worth it's salt doesn't make the user touch their classpath :) Yeah and IDE project files are AWESOME for automated builds, automated unit testing, gump etc! Its ALSO AWESOME when they stick multiple editions in their IDE libarary manager

Re: IDE Developers' guide

... Pointers to documentation on build tool integration (Make/Ant/Maven) would definitely be useful for this document, +1 Baz. any specific suggestions on existing documentation which should be linked and introduced? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional co

Re: IDE Developers' guide

Daniel Rall wrote: "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idedevelopers.html A pointer to [X/]Emacs (and perhaps even vim) documentation would be useful. For IDEDevelopers? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EM

Re: IDE Developers' guide

Great. I'll note this and include the link. A quick note : I'm using Eclipse and Tomcat, using the tomcat plugin (http://www.sysdeo.com/eclipse/tomcatPlugin.html) which make it easy to launch Tomcat 3.3.1, 4.0 or 4.1 from Eclipse. So there is no need for remote debugging via Eclipse, even i

Re: IDE Developers' guide

I'm not familiar enough with Maven's recent developments to write on this. Perhaps you could contribute? I'm also not sure how many projects there are that are currently using Maven, however, since this seems to be expanding I suspect it would be worthwhile. Ok, I'll try to get something

Re: IDE Developers' guide

Actually using Ant (or Maven) from an IDE is easy enough. The tricky bit is getting the IDE to see the same classpath that the build script uses, for code completion and the like. I noticed the Maven to Eclipse integration for example tries to work by allowing you to generate a file containing

Re: IDE Developers' guide

So I guess instead thats me demonstrating how not to act ;-)Go me! ;-) Sam Ruby wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: A great lesson on what not to do by Tim Vernum: > It really needs a spell check Thanks Tim for demonstrating un-communalistic behavior for everyone! This is a gr

Re: IDE Developers' guide

Yeah My appologies to Tim. I thought they were part of the tagline when I read that! (the made it part of the tagline) -Andy While Tim's e-mail was not formatted in a manner that is suitable for direct input into the Unix patch program, it did contain human readable diffs. Earlier this

Re: IDE Developers' guide

ect community-oriented behavior would have been to have spell checked it and submitting patch, but had Tim done that, he'd have missed this great opportunity to show everyone how NOT to behave! Thanks again Tim! -Andy Tim Vernum wrote: From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent

Re: IDE Developers' guide

Jon Scott Stevens wrote: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idedevelopers.html Thanks for your help! -Andy Great document Andy. Thanks! :-) The more idiot guides we have, the less idiots we will have. :-D -Andy -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For

Re: IDE Developers' guide

Added sections on debugging... let me know what you think. Debugging is missing. It's source of confusion for many "IDE Developers". Many don't know how to debug their favorite EJB server / servlet engine unless there is button in the IDE. PS JetBrains IDEA is worth mentioning as good IDE.

Re: IDE Developers' guide

ACK. fixed, built, committed, updated, thanks! Clemens Marschner wrote: Just a short thing I stepped over when I read the doc writing this: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/idedevelopers.html so that The link to subversion doesn't work (http:// missing). But the doc is great. Clemens

Re: IDE Developers' guide

Debugging is missing. It's source of confusion for many "IDE Developers". Many don't know how to debug their favorite EJB server / servlet engine unless there is button in the IDE. Ahh. Can you tap something out and put in a patch and I'll edit? I'll write instructions for eclipse. PS Je

IDE Developers' guide

One of the things I find most frustrating is dealing with "IDE Developers", meaning those "developers" who cut their teeth on Microsoft tools and never learned how to even set their PATH let alone their classpath. Rather than flame them and suggest "hey why don't you learn your own tools and the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

Doug Bateman wrote: Was there any final resolution to this thread? I imagine any PMC vote would be announced to this list? So, I think everyone kind of agreed it needed to bake a little longer. So here is a status update. Tapestry has: 1. Adopted Apache Voting rules 2. Ratified a core se

Re: Mozilla mail filters

down pier down. Stephane. News readers are yet another aspect of the internet. Consider these primary services (to most end users): 1. email 2. web (http) 3. ftp 4. news Mozilla mail does indeed have a "news reader" but you cannot web browse to it per se. you'll need to use the mozilla mail/

Re: Let the games begin...

Wow cool. I'll have to get a BSD box. Maybe Jakarta should use .NET CLI for all infrastructure stuff... It can't run worse on BSD than java does ;-) -Andy Jon Scott Stevens wrote: http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/default.asp?url=/downloads/sample.asp?ur l=/MSDN-FILES/027/002/097/msdncom

Re: Gump changes

Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 2002/11/10 9:06 AM, "Sam Ruby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 3) I plan to move Gump out of Alexandria. My favorite suggestion to date is from Costin: move Gump to jakarta-commons. If you care to comment on this, please direct your replies to alexandria-dev. - Sam R

Re: [DRAFT2] Jakarta Newsletter - October 2002

U/f I don't have time to make a better entry (with links to an archive) and no one responded for my call for help * POI put out a new development release that includes Macro support * Shawn Laubach was voted a committer * There was renewed interest in HDF our word port and several new folks expres

Re: Why Sun lost the Yahoo! account...

I think the problem is also the threads in FreeBSD. for a long time the jdk on linux came with its own thread implementation. It would have been cool to say that Java powered Yahoo! -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional comma

Re: Why don't provide zipped manuals an HOW-TOs?

For POI (jakarta.apache.org/poi) they are included with the distribution. I imagine most other projects do something similar. We don't provide them seperately because we figure if you haven't downloaded POI then what do you need the documentation for? ;-) -Andy Stefano Mainardi wrote: Hell

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

http://jakarta.apache.org/site/management.html For Tapestry to become a subproject of Jakarta requires a 3/4 majority of the PMC. I am very interested in getting the incubator team to help with the licensing issues and community issues. I am optimistic about the outcome as there are plenty of

Dear incubator

bator list nor can the project principals. Thanks for your support, Andrew C. Oliver committer POI, Lucene contributer Cocoon, JAMES -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:general-unsubscribe@;jakarta.apache.org> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:general-help@;jakarta.apache.org>

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

let's be positive... As I said, I can't claim right anywhere, so, after expressing my doubts, I will shut up. Why no you certainly can! Lend a hand, we'd value your experience, knowledge and good judgement! Lend us a hand and you'll have all the license you need :-) -Andy Pier --

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

Now, this looks like a little bit contradictory to me, you say "let's vote" (and I assume that the Jakarta community needs to vote), the Jakarta president says "let's make Incubator vote, and Tapestry be our guinea pig". So? I think Sam and Ken and the rest are committed to making this relat

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

Mr Ship, I totally disagree with Pier's statement (and you'll find many here will feel the same as I on this). The opinion of Tapestry joining is very good. Realize Apache is more like a confederation than anything. So different people feel differently. We're still ironing out a new process

Re: Linux Magazine article

I'd rather perform their role from 1987-1999 or so ;-) -Andy Martin van den Bemt wrote: I never had you for an idealest. What I think they'll do is start trying to sell the JDK, lock every thing down grasping for some business model...any busines model.then sink slowly into the abyss tak

Re: New Apache XML Site! :-)

Lazy consensus. Just do it. Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: David Crossley wrote: Greg Stein wrote: The front page is also totally lacking any information about the the fact that xml.apache.org is a project of the Apache Software Foundation, and it does not provide any link back to www.apache.

Re: I'm a leader of jakarta.apache-korea.org

As far as, please will do. (Because, I captured the statistics on my pages by Postgres with "referer"s. Andy, if you want to know, I will be pleased to.) yes please :-) Sure, I posted to Jetspeed-dev and Slide-dev (and bcel) the patches for the links to the Japanese tranlation site,

Re: Adding Lists to EyeBrowse - how?

Yeah... Like POI... sniff... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EyeBrowse is a great facility - how do we add other Apache mailing lists to it? -- dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting Work: http://www.multitask.com.au Developers: http://adslgateway.multitask.com.au/developers -- To unsubscribe, e-m

Re: Linux Magazine article

But there should be something adequate in addition to JBoss. Steve Downey wrote: LGPL probably isn't bad enough to prevent people from using it. So the drive to create a BSD or Apache-style implementation hasn't exceeded the effort. On Friday 25 October 2002 08:16 pm, Andrew C. Ol

Re: Linux Magazine article

Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 2002/10/25 5:16 PM, "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I wish we did have something that supported a non-crappy interface like EOB (eob.sourceforge.net) Stuff like this reminds me of Velocity vs. JSP argument. Agreed. Veloc

Re: I'm a leader of jakarta.apache-korea.org

P.S. by the way, Andy, how do you think to add to the "translation" links to Jakarta-Seoul POI project? sure... though I wish that they'd translate more than the front page. If no one submits a patch/does it in the next couple of days I'll handle it in my next productive cycle. -Andy --

Re: Linux Magazine article

But JBoss is. JBoss support EJB but has some features as a general app server that are pretty sweet. And as much as I wish we had something as good Jingoism asidewe simply don't. But I don't think JBoss is crying over not being an apache project at the moment ;-) I wish we did have s

Re: Apache reorganization.... make all XML projects top level...future of XML.apache.org unknown

u seen eyebrowse: http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/ViewLists It holds all the xml lists. It has a format for a list like this: http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/SummarizeList?listId=47 though. No it doesn't. It says 0 for POI there have certainly been more than 0 posts :-( -

Re: Linux Magazine article

I just wanted to say. I like Marc. He's fun :-) (but then again I like Jon too for many of the same reasons though I've not met him in person so my judgement may be suspect ;-) ) BTW if we can get our act together and I can get the guts together to ask my boss for time off just after starting,

Re: A Jakarta unused code scoreboard [was RE: [Fwd: Re: [eclipse-dev]Java compiler defaults changed]]...

At first I was going to complain and say "Another one of these?" Most of the automated code metrics I read complain about things in POI which are like "duh its an API of course its an 'unused' class" -- or duh its a development utility or test case which isn't MEANT to be flexible --but these ar

Re: A Jakarta unused code scoreboard [was RE: [Fwd: Re: [eclipse-dev]Java compiler defaults changed]]...

Vladimir R. Bossicard wrote: but these are actually pretty good! I forwarded them to the poi dev list. Time to have a gump-like Maven based PMD website for the Apache projects? +1 -Vladimir Not for POI but for those who want it ... sure. I'm so excited about the new centipede's easy se

Re: A Jakarta unused code scoreboard [was RE: [Fwd: Re: [eclipse-dev]Java compiler defaults changed]]...

Oh oh second read of this you said "PMD website" where PMD was the name of this tool-- so for that... COOL!!! (I could care less whether its maven based...seems overkill but okay) (I misunderstood PMD=project model definition) Sorry for the confusion. Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

Re: OT: Re: time for a Web services PMC? (was: Fw: spinning out projects(was: incubator project))

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: V. Cekvenich wrote: I would like to see a DB PMC. IIRC there is one, and it's in the initial phases. The website is not ready yet http://db.apache.org/. Wanna help? :-) Just FYI either [EMAIL PROTECTED] is dead... or myself and others have been unable to succes

Re: I'm a leader of jakarta.apache-korea.org

Non-english speakers are welcome in the POI project. It is currently acceptable to even post in native languages provided you label it as such. Currently we don't have any korean-speaking committers, but it would be most feasible to have a bilingual person deal with the only-korean-speaking dev

Re: Is Cactus successful (was RE: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta)

ing a principal is not an issue. Think about it from the other side. Would you rather read an article about JUnit by Erich Gamma or John Doe? You should know more about POI than anyone, and are in a better position to write about how to use it than anyone. On Tuesday 22 October 2002 11:1

Re: [INVITATION] community@apache.org

Jon Scott Stevens wrote: This mail list will be closed to committers only, the citizens of the Apache Software Foundation, and will serve as the place to talk about the future of the foundation. Why is this getting forwarded to general@ when it has already been forwarded to committers@? I'm

[Fwd: Letter to advertise community@apache.org]

--- Begin Message --- Here a proposal for the letters to send to the various mail lists to advertise [EMAIL PROTECTED] cut here Ladies and Gentlemen, the ASF is happy to present the creation of +--+ | [EMAIL PR

Re: Is Cactus successful (was RE: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta)

more credibility there), but that is another story. Steve Downey wrote: On Sunday 20 October 2002 02:03 pm, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Release more often, announce the releases. While you may have had articles published, I've never actually seen one. (I've seen them on Maven, Tomcat

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

> Along with POI we got Andrew > Oliver... :) Oh gosh don't say things like that or we'll never approve new projects ;-) > --Jeff > > PS: +1 for adding Tapestry from me btw. > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > For additional commands, e-mail

Re: Is Cactus successful (was RE: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta)

> > > > Just FYI, you have failed to provide sufficient outside-of-jakarta > > marketing. > > Thanks for the information! You know what I like about you? It is the > faith that you have in yourself and in the fact that you know it all... > I'm sorry to have insulted you. I was only trying to

Re: Evaluation Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

scouraged. I think Tapestry is the most promising project I've seen proposed. Unfortunately, there is a random factor of politics that will come to play. Again my biggest concern is your assertion that you should adopt the voting rules, etc. after joining. My opinion is that you should adopt the

RE: Is Cactus successful (was RE: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta)

> > I'm sorry to have insulted you. I was only trying to help. Based on > > what you said, the observations I'd had from where I work and what I'd > > observed. If my observations were incorrect I apologize. > > Hey, your observations may be right and I appreciate your help! ;-) > > My strong

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

Thats why one should look at whether it has an existing community... if it does, question answered. If not...well there is something else. -Andy > > The point is apache had a project with similar ideas and it died. Was > it ahead of its time? Or are there fundamental problems with the > appro

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

On Sat, 2002-10-19 at 21:21, Pier Fumagalli wrote: > On 20/10/02 0:40, "Jon Scott Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > on 2002/10/19 4:22 PM, "Pier Fumagalli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> I want to start a new project for a new Servlet Container that is not > >> Tomcat! :-) Let's see

RE: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

Just FYI, you have failed to provide sufficient outside-of-jakarta marketing. Where I work, lots of people talk about "maybe we should use cactus", and heck there are those who use all sorts of things from the Java Developers Journal that they have insufficient knowledge and experience to carry of

Evaluation Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

So Tapestry seems to have attracted a healthy following and the attention of such notables as Marc Fleury (Whom I think is a technically proficient and thoroughly decent okay guy...and he likes altoids more than I do): http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=1165034&forum_id=7644

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

to think of a webapp in terms of > event driven components was considered too great a stretch, I guess. Is > such an approach gaining more acceptance, or have I missed the point of > Tapestry? > > john mcnally > > On Sat, 2002-10-19 at 16:22, Pier Fumagalli wrote: > >

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

> I want to start a new project for a new Servlet Container that is not > Tomcat! :-) Let's see how many fans I'm going to get! :-) > I will support you completely especially if it is SEDA based. I'm very interested in SEDA. Plus I have faith in your ability to build a community and if you're o

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

So could someone clarify that for me... We're here to promote community software developmentas long as they don't overlap? sorry I totally misunderstood the apache way. (especially with all the overlapping projects to the contrary) -Andy On Sat, 2002-10-19 at 14:29, John McNally wrote: > On

Re: Bug in Ant.bat with respect to Windows9x

This is the inappropriate place for this. Please go here: jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html -- read it, then on the next page post to the ant mailing list. -Andy On Sat, 2002-10-19 at 11:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi -- I wish to report a bug in your batch file ant.bat with regards to > Win

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

, from me), is discussed on the list and in the Wiki, and eventually > turned into code (and tests, and documentation). > Wiki's rock! :-) They are only now beginning to take root here. I'll be there shortly to take a look. > - Original Message - > From: "

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

Just my 2c.. If they have a strong community and meet the requirements... Cool. I think I'll go read their mail archives at let you know how much of it I think is being developed by one guy. (I mean if all of those people submitted a trivial patch suddenly the day before this proposal was put in

Re: [Fwd: Re: Concern about the future of Apache.]

/ > This says Apache is bigger than MS + all others. > .V > > Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > Those who have not been aware should be aware. > > > > -Andy > > > > > > > > >

[Fwd: Re: Concern about the future of Apache.]

structure a guy/gal could have! - Make Ant simple on complex Projects! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh --- Begin Message --- On 17 Oct 2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 11:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wr

Re: About bug handling survey

On Thu, 2002-10-10 at 10:39, A. Gunes Koru wrote: > > Dear Andy, > > First of all, I would prefer to discuss these matters individually not on > the list. However, because you are sending e-mails to the list I need to > write it to the list too. > Then you might have taken my smartassed rema

Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

Just goes to show you. A sad comment on software development: The only thing worse than our still crappy tools for doing things are our crappy methods of doing them. -Andy On Thu, 2002-10-10 at 10:38, Steve Downey wrote: > >From Scott Adams > Wally: I recommedend we build a tracking database.

Re: Struts and Tomcat 4.0

0-09 at 19:20, Pier Fumagalli wrote: > I believe they also "tried" to make a JSR out of it, but got shot down > somewhere in the middle... :-( > > Pier > > On 9/10/02 13:38, "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Cool! I'

Re: Bug handling survey - Tree based models

I answered the first two or three of these that was sent to me (student studies)... But they seem to be blooming rapidly. One could hypothesize through the use of some kind of mathematical model that if one continues to participate they will increase exponentially and eventually one will answer

Re: re[2]: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

I knew that was coming. -dysfunctional Andy On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 03:36, Bill Barker wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Rich Persaud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 8:26 PM > Subject: re[2]: Differences betw

Re: Struts and Tomcat 4.0

Cool! I'm impressed! I'll have to check that out. On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 20:12, Daniel Rall wrote: > "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Even if it ties me to an Apache-proprietary template language, trading > > that for somethi

Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

Ever read/see Village of the Dammed? ;-) -Andy On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 19:49, Daniel Rall wrote: > Jon Scott Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Actually, it looks like CollabNet's SourceCast. Scarab looks like SourceCast > > and Maven looks like Scarab. =) > > And you can all look like ea

Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

I disagree with such Java Jingoism. Jon's reasoning sounded pretty good to me. . Launching several JVMs sucks. And doing all in one is a recipe for disaster... (crash bang boom) This is a sucky thing about java. You get a JVM always whether you want one or not.. to do it in java he needs a mo

Re: Struts and Tomcat 4.0

I think my next hack'd app will be in Velocity rather than JSP. As I learn more about it I think I find it less disgusting than JSP. (Although I still don't like it for the previously mentioned reasons) Even if it ties me to an Apache-proprietary template language, trading that for something le

Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

Its too bad that the clans don't play nice together... I'm convinced together... They could come up with something MUCH MUCH better than this mess. (provided some GUI wonks could be found) ;-) (and there is my theme) ;-) -Andy On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 10:42, Pier Fumagalli wrote: &

Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

I both agree and disagree with you. The trouble is that XSLT syntax is horrific and some of the specs (for a specific example the XInclude spec) are bent on violating SoC more than embedding if statements ever could (having to declare a base url is a greater evil). There is a "production concern

Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

ulting > Work: http://www.multitask.com.au > Developers: http://adslgateway.multitask.com.au/developers > > > "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 08/10/2002 09:50:15 AM: > > > Right...my problem with JSP isn't its dogged speed its the conceptual

Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

Right...my problem with JSP isn't its dogged speed its the conceptual nastiness of it. <% if (you.have(this).in.your(html)) { out.println("Andy doesn't think its good"); } %> -Andy On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 19:45, Pier Fumagalli wrote: > On 8/10/02 0:1

Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

Looks like kind of a mickey mouse version of JSP to me... ;-) (I just couldn't resist...I just couldn't!) On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 18:08, Pier Fumagalli wrote: > On 7/10/02 22:01, "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > While I think there are pla

Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

While I think there are places that struts could learn a lot from turbine... Struts has a bit more "design cohesion" shall we say? Where turbine is a bit moreorganic in places. The nice thing about Turbine is that it does favor containment over inheritance, same thing with Struts (not nec

Re: [Poll result] Committers, who are we?

02, Pier Fumagalli wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 02:44:19 +0100 > > From: Pier Fumagalli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [Poll result] C

RE: [Poll result] Committers, who are we?

;-) On Fri, 2002-10-04 at 23:17, Martin Cooper wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:49 AM > > To: Jakarta General List > > Subject: Re: [Poll result] Committe

Re: [Poll result] Committers, who are we?

this list. > > > > > > "Andrew C. > > Oliver" To:

Re: [Poll result] Committers, who are we?

I'd be more interested to hear statistics on how many people are California-based versus non-California based. (It would help me with my research into Apache cultures and cliches ;-) for a paper I'm writing ) On Fri, 2002-10-04 at 08:41, Jeff Turner wrote: > Carnegie Mellon did a survey of ~300

[Fwd: Re: [PATCH] how to create unified diffs with WinCVS (bugs.xml,source.xml)]

oops sent this from the wrong account... --- Begin Message --- > > >I think this FAQ will encourage the Windows users/developers. > > Despite that threat ;-) I'll apply it tomorrow if someone doesn't beat me to it. Tonight I've this: http://www.trijug.org/shootoutMeeting.html I only wish J

Re: [PATCH] how to create unified diffs with WinCVS (bugs.xml, source.xml)

> > >I think this FAQ will encourage the Windows users/developers. > > Despite that threat ;-) I'll apply it tomorrow if someone doesn't beat me to it. Tonight I've this: http://www.trijug.org/shootoutMeeting.html I only wish Jon could come and moderate ;-) -Andy >Best Regards, >Tetsuya. >

Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

> > >What? And lose my 10-minute investment in learning PHP? No way! > >Besides, now I can have fun a whole weekend, just changing the name of a >field in the database. My life would seem empty in comparison, if I got to >use those pesky frameworks that do everything for you. > >(Never thought one

Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

LOL :-) Danny Angus wrote: >>I have also taken the precaution of killing all my family and >>friends >> >> > >Seems like a sound move to me, we could all do it, that'd show Micro$oft >who's the boss. >d. > > >-- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: >For additional commands,

Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

his news out into >the world. I have also taken the precaution of killing all my family and >friends so you have no way to blackmail me. > > But Leo! You didn't realize? All of Jakarta is in on it! Jon even! He's writing a new framework based on turbine that requir

Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

ts Evangelist >>>Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network" >>>http://www.open-tools.org/struts-atlanta >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>-Original Message--

Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

> > >>>You mean PHP right? :-) >>> >>> >>> > >ASP.NET.COM.ORG > > > :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

> > >You're right... http://www.vnunet.com/ (my employer's). All JSP based, and >it works (it really does, some millions of hit per day), but from that to >say that it is actually "done right", well, there's quite some difference... > > yes. >JSP suck, they (can) work, but at the end of the day

Re: localhost:8080 vs localhost???

> > >It works just fine with Struts - come see what you can do with Velocity and >Struts. Even if we don't convert you to the One True Way ?®(sm) :) you will >at least stop comparing apples and oranges. > > > You mean PHP right? :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For

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at is maintainable under time, perhaps you'll look up a more advanced framework and grow to find the failings in JSP. -Andy JSP = Java's Super PERL! :-) > > >James Mitchell >Software Engineer\Struts Evangelist >Struts-Atlanta, the "Open Minded Developer Network&qu

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But no one replied to my lovely email when I said that other than POI and HTTPD there was only actually one Apache project, all the others are the same project implemented different ways and that JSP had the structure of a dog turned inside out... I was so proud of that...how mean of you all n

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Andy FAQ: http://www.trilug.org/~acoliver/ -Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I have a question. It seems that you all kinda know each other. Where is >everyone located? > >Aaron > > >-- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: >For additional commands, e-mail:

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Pier Fumagalli wrote: >Andrew C. Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Pier, you and I both need to get out more. ;-) >> >> > >I have all the beer I need right in my fridge... Why bother? There's also a >tube strike here in London...

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Jon Scott Stevens wrote: >on 7/17/02 4:33 PM, "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>+1 - I can't wait to convert my site from JSP (just on principle). >>Though it will be to XML, I'd never lower myself to using just >>P

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Pier Fumagalli wrote: >Paulo Gaspar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>>http://jakarta.apache.org/site/love.html >>> >>> >>With a file name like this, I miss a "pink hearts" background. >> >>Does anyone have one of those to contribute? >> >> > >Nope, but if it helps making him look be

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