Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 18:33, Peter Donald wrote: > Hi, > > OJB deserves to be a peer to other projects alongside ant, avalon, struts etc > > A somewhat better idea IMO would be to use OJB + Torque as a trampoline for a > new top-level project "db.apache.org" (or insert something more snappy if

Re: You guys are so funny.

Oddly the centipede side supports collaboration On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 19:53, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: > > > On Fri, 3 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I think I've been saying this long enough. . MERGE MERGE MERGE! > > > I can't help sitting here thinking about how the com

Re: You guys are so funny.

My understanding is that the Maven guys are totally against merging and collaborating. So it isn't just jon. -Andy On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 19:57, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: > > > On Fri, 3 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > [snip] > > As for people shoving Maven down other people's throa

Re: You guys are so funny.

> I listen to the following: > > Code. > Patches. > Real suggestions for improvement. MERGE > Intelligent discussion. > duhhh > I don't listen to the following: > > Flame wars about technologies used. so why did you start one > Whiny people who can't learn a new t

Re: You guys are so funny.

ant. > > Talk is cheap and almost useless, as we've all heard the last two days. > Code/Docs are far more valuable. I believe the usual way is to start with a > cohesive proposal. > agreed. Writing docs for centipede. > As for people shoving Maven down other people's throats, I'd like to know

RE: You guys are so funny.

today I do. On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 21:01, Jeff Schnitzer wrote: > Dude, do you really need to respond to *every single* piece of mail? > > Jeff > > > -Original Message- > > From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 5

Re: You guys are so funny.

So lets do it. I'm working on the documentation everyone keeps complaining aboutwatch the commits. Grab a hammer and lets start talking about how to create an XSL vs DVSL module. I suggest a cent. Move to krysalis discussion list for now. I'm done here. On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 21:10, [EMA

Re: Maven is growing

http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=36516 Jon Scott Stevens wrote: >Nice to see people who are upset about Maven actually recognizing that it is >pretty cool and can be made better (have to start somewhere, right?). > >Berin posted this: > >>Despite my comments on General@, I really l

Re: Maven is growing

page views dude, just my way of thanking you for publicity. project just switched repositories. Jon Scott Stevens wrote: >on 5/3/02 10:19 AM, "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=36516 >> > >50

Re: Scarab (was RE: [ANN] in-house mail archive...)

Dude... is that available to other projects? Secondly, are there any bugs stored in it? I tried to run a few queries to try it out and got no results. I'd love to try scarab and might convince POI to use it. But I'd rather kinda start sooner rather than later because once we have a lot of

Re: Scarab (was RE: [ANN] in-house mail archive...)

> > > >I don't think anyone has been using it much yet. > >On top of it, the version on nagoya is way old...:-( > >It is very easy to install. > >-jon > Any plans to upgrade? Anything I can do to help? Bugzilla is not my favorite and I've been watching scarab from time to time and salivating.

Re: Scarab (was RE: [ANN] in-house mail archive...)

> > Andy, > > I am loving Scarab too. I have a copy installed on my laptop (along > with MySQL and Tomcat). It's administration is clean, the app is well > documented and user friendly. > > Last time I inquired about it, Jason Van Zyl said that it was a testing > area. By virtue of the fact tha

Re: [ANN] in-house mail archive...

Can we get the POI mail archives on there? Thanks, Andy Santiago Gala wrote: > Pier Fumagalli wrote: > >> >> >> It's internet explorer not sending the correct locale... Daniel's >> aware of >> that, and a fix is shortcoming... Use mozilla! :) >> >> > > Tis is mozilla: > > org.apache.vel

while we were having a few irrelevant conversations...really badstuff was happening..

http://www3.usermagnet.com/nl/jlnews_20020503.html Rick Ross just got subpoenaed by Microsoft. For what? From what I can tell writing mean things like "I stand with Sun" or something. Kinda scary. *now I think its okay to bark about the evil empire* -Andy -- http://www.superlinksoftware.co

Re: while we were having a few irrelevant conversations...reallybad stuff was happening..

humm If I had to guess he posted the wrong link. I'll forward it to you. On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 23:22, Sam Ruby wrote: > Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > > > http://www3.usermagnet.com/nl/jlnews_20020503.html > > > > Rick Ross just got subpoenaed by Microsoft. For

Re: Maven is growing

I propose this alternative: http://www.krysalis.org/jon/ ;-) -Andy On Sat, 2002-05-04 at 08:51, Pier Fumagalli wrote: > > > > > Jon, where the HECK did you get that picture from? I'm going to spread it to > a huge chunk of common friends pretty soo

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

Naw I'd like to see an httpd-like answer to object-oriented-databases one day. Rather a name that deosn't preclude it... -Andy > We have some time now. > > I was thinking about this during yoga (I started yoga. It's very cool. I > wasn't supposed to be thinking about anything but my 'wisdom

Re: while we were having a few irrelevant conversations...reallybad stuff was happening..

The link is fixed now. On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 23:22, Sam Ruby wrote: > Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > > > http://www3.usermagnet.com/nl/jlnews_20020503.html > > > > Rick Ross just got subpoenaed by Microsoft. For what? From what I can > > tell writing mean

RE: Maven is growing

he says it. > > There must be a balance somewhere. > > > Have fun, > Paulo Gaspar > > > -Original Message- > > From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:08 PM > > > > > > On 5/

Re: Maven is growing

gt;> > >>> There must be a balance somewhere. > >> > >> And there is. Find it. > >> > >> geir > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> Have fun, > >>> Paulo Gaspar > >>> > >>>> -O

Why is the homepage blank??

Ummm... jakarta.apache.org brings up a blank page. I thought it was my connection but jakarta.apache.org/poi and /ant for example seem fine... I'm going to see what I can do. . . let me know if someone is already working on it.. -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com http://jakarta.apache.org/poi

disregard... I must be imagining things

Mozilla went south for a little while and I didn't see the file... But it looks okay now. sorry for the alarm. -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com http://jakarta.apache.org/poi - port of Excel/Word/OLE 2 Compound Document format to java http://developer.java.sun.com/

Re: You guys are so funny.

> > >> >>Let it be. Use the software you like. Write the software you like. >>Berate people over the truly important things, like choice of text >>editor :-) >> > >Hear hear! (But go emacs! ;-) > B... vi rules! -Andy > >-- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: >For addi

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

If I were going to Apache to look for database stuff be it a database (object oriented or not) and/or stuff to work with it...I'd be prone to look at db.apache.org. Then again... Jakarta == Java?? ;-) -Andy On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 18:44, Peter Donald wrote: > On Tue, 7 May 2002 08:34, Daniel Rall

RE: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

sounds like a frog or the nickname of a president... ;-) go all the way... dubya.apache.org ;-) :-p -andy On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 18:52, Jeff Schnitzer wrote: > How about tweaking "db" enough so that it both pronounces better and has > less explicit meaning? > > I like: dub.apache.org > > Let

Re: Apache site patch

done On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 14:55, Eugene Gluzberg wrote: > 1. Add lucene-sandbox > 2. Fix a typo > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > For additional commands, e-mail: -- http://www.superlinksoftware.com - software solutions for

Re: Project Activity

I think that's pretty cool functionality. I don't agree with your way of judging project activity.. Thats like trying to put a metric on how blue the sky is today. I'm sure you could but what of the day where your metric says its grey but I'm looking up and seeing blue (perhaps because a grey

Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

Not cross posted. I suggest a webpage and then forbid posts to lists about it. Taglines/etc are okay but explicit posts can get out of hand especially during economic downturns when everyone is looking for an angle. I think it hasn't been a problem as some folks probably figured standard sp

Re: Project Activity

Agreed! Danny Angus wrote: >Sometimes lists are where the activity is, commits alone don't credit the >essential design and planning effort put in by users commiters and >non-commiters that shapes the product and maps its progress. > >d. > > > >>This makes me think of all the projects on Sourc

Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: >From: "Jeff Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >>On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 09:54:48AM +0100, Alex McLintock wrote: >> >> >>>At 09:02 13/05/2002, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: >>> >>> I would like to encourage information about commercial entities that suppo

[LOL] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

Peter Donald wrote: >On Mon, 13 May 2002 22:13, Jeff Turner wrote: > > >>I doubt a separate list would work. We've got an announcements@ list and >>everyone still cc's announcements to general@. >> >>Perhaps we should just adopt a simple subject line convention, [ADV] for >>adverts, to go with

Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

God yes, I need more spam! Especially targeted spam. Can we make sure those [ADV] Mobutu in South Africa wants to send you 10,000,000 for safe keeping get through to the lists? Well at least if Mobutu agrees to support Apache software as well as send me 10mil? Sun Micro, has a page of "here

Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

I think you should make it clear what we're talking about here. Engaging in commercial ventures on a list is something I might even be interested in. Receiving the spam of the day from company X whose latest angle is Apache support, is not. Jeff Turner wrote: >On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 01:20:

Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

I completely agree with that sentiment. I think it ROCKS if you're able to practice Apache where you work and get paid for it. I hope the list Ken started takes off in a different manner than the "subscribe to be advertised to" that I think it might. I'd like to see more like a world-wide n

Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

You do realize you just said that on general@jakarta ;-) Alex McLintock wrote: > At 14:56 13/05/2002, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > >> This list a place where we can talk-discuss about Commercial support to >> Jakarta projects. > > > But I'm not just interested in the Jakarta projects - I'm mostly

[METO] Re: [EGO]RE: Advertisement using Apache lists

Danny Angus wrote: >>But I'm not just interested in the Jakarta projects >> >> > >Well you should be. >They're all great, and we're all great guys. > > +1 >d. > >-- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: >For additional commands, e-mail: > > >

Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

hehe Henri Yandell wrote: >I took it as tongue in cheek :) I mean...who wouldn't be interested solely >in Jakarta. It beggar's belief. > >On Tue, 14 May 2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > > >>You do realize you just said that on general@

[Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

Please see: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/vendors.html If this is acceptable (this is the best I could do on my lunch break ;-) ) -- I'll go ahead and update the site and I'll supply a patch for mail.html that asks that folks don't post commercial ads to the mail lists rather supply a patch for

Re: [METO] Re: [EGO]RE: Advertisement using Apache lists

how funny I even misspelled metoo ;-) On Tue, 2002-05-14 at 08:23, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > Danny Angus wrote: > > >>But I'm not just interested in the Jakarta projects > >> > >> > > > >Well you should be. > >They're a

Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

Morgan Delagrange wrote: >--- "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Please see: >> >>http://jakarta.apache.org/site/vendors.html >> >>If this is acceptable (this is the best I could do >>on my lunch break ;-) >>)

Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

> Wouldn't be better for them to just use google's directory for that ( == > dmoz.org ) ? > > I have a slight preference for the companies that do actually contribute > code/people - if they want to be listed on jakarta that's fine. > I've no preference. Go ahead and alter the page (via pat

RE: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

:-D descending alphabetical order is fine with me as well ;-) Go ahead and submit patches or commit that reflect this view ;-) -Andy On Tue, 2002-05-14 at 17:26, James Mitchell wrote: > Alphabetical? Now that's just not fair! > > JM > ZZZ Technologies Inc. > > > > > > > -Original Mes

Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

On Tue, 2002-05-14 at 17:19, Leo Simons wrote: > > Is this for any vendor who wants free ads, > > -1 agreed. -1. > > > or only for companies that > > support Apache projects > > +1 > exactly. > > ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ? > > -1 I have no opinion on that. I'm fine wi

Re: FW: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

Cool. Pier Fumagalli wrote: >Some comments from the ASF core... > >Pier > >-- >I think that it's extremely foolish to name a server after the current U.S. >President. B.W. Fitzpatrick > > >-- Forwarded Message > > >>From: Joshua Slive <[E

Re: Bugzilla usage

Not that I know of. I tried to script this with wget a while back ago but couldn't. I've asked if we could guinea pig for scarab but I'm not sure I asked the right person so its bugzilla for now. I even volunteered to do whatever is needed to get scarab up and running provided I'm granted s

Re: Bugzilla usage

ave installed Scarab) for my employer, >and we started using it on Monday, once I get more comfortable with it at >work (my test-bench), I believe we can start really using it for Apache.ORG, >unless some of you guys want take up the whole challenge and play with it. > >Pier > &g

Re: Bugzilla usage

Pier Fumagalli wrote: >"Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Great, can you request access to the server for me from root? >> >> > >Err, ehem _I_ am root! :) > >Pier > > My appologies all mighty roo

Re: [VOTE] New Committer Dan Sandberg

Personally, I feel this discussion belongs solely on the tomcat list and is up to the committers of Tomcat to resolve. If the Tomcat community feels the bar should be raised, let them raise it. If they do not, then it shall not be raised. I don't feel it should be up to anyone else. -Andy

Re: [VOTE] New Committer Dan Sandberg

> > >What I said was "but I believe that this group (as noted on the members >meeting this Tuesday) is giving away committer privileges a little bit too >easily"... I don't think that sound like "this is a resolution passed by >members" or "this is a guideline given at that meeting"... > >To me it

Re: Criteria for commit access

> > > Having said this, there is nothing wrong with discussing criteria for > proposing committers. In a conversation I had with Stefano Mazzocchi a > long time ago, he outlined the reasons for his liberal policy (for > granting commit access). I tend to oscillate between a liberal policy > and a

Re: Criteria for commit access

> > >That's what I did... I posted my -1 over there, detailed why, and I'm >waiting for someone to write me back something about it... So far, nothing >worth making me change my vote (meaning, nothing more than what was already >there). > So that means its vetoed...what's your beef? >No, my vote

Re: Criteria for commit access

> > >Andy, not everyone grew up in Texas! :) I don't eat beef anymore (you know >mad-cow disease and smallpox in the UK) > > Dern Europeans ain' speaking proper 'merican. Anyhow, just wait around and you'll catch me speaking Spanish too. >>> >>> >>I do not think the PMC should intervene

Re: Criteria for commit access

> > * Perhaps a more fruitful topic for us to explore is when to retire > committer status due to inactivity. Pier is one of the few to do this > explicitly. I have done it a bit more implicitly - including submitting > patches to projects that I am officially a committer to. > yes. I recomm

Re: Criteria for commit access

In truthit doesn't. On Fri, 2002-05-24 at 20:18, John McNally wrote: > > > On Fri, 2002-05-24 at 17:06, John McNally wrote: > > The site docs say it can happen after 6 months of inactivity. Though I > > can't seem to find the location atm. > > http://jakarta.apache.org/site/roles.html >

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

-1, its not broken, it worked. I see little reason to fix it. On Fri, 2002-05-24 at 21:11, Henri Yandell wrote: > > +1. > > Another example if I could. The job role of 'Java admin' is growing more > and more at companies. Developers shouldn't be adminning things, but would > you have your unix

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

blame > people for what has taken place then, because it is not taking place now > (with now I mean this Nanosecond even less). Life becomes so much easier > if you obtain this view! No barriers to look back on, just plain free, > non prejudiced communications. Wow we live in a gre

Re: welcoming and nurturing volunteers

On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 10:17, Pier Fumagalli wrote: > "Sam Ruby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ceki Gülcü wrote: > >> > >> The motivational power of appreciation cannot be underestimated. The > >> author is correct in emphasizing the point. What is not emphasized > >> enough is the need for di

Re: welcoming and nurturing volunteers

On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 10:07, Sam Ruby wrote: > Ceki Gülcü wrote: > > > > The motivational power of appreciation cannot be underestimated. The > > author is correct in emphasizing the point. What is not emphasized > > enough is the need for direction. What's the use of having a million > > voluntee

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 09:13, Pier Fumagalli wrote: > Andrew C. Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -1, its not broken, it worked. I see little reason to fix it. > > It is broken. We don't allow Sally Khudairi to be a member of this > community, nor James

Re: welcoming and nurturing volunteers

On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 07:35, Ceki Gülcü wrote: > At 23:30 24.05.2002 -0400, Sam Ruby wrote: > >http://www.libertyforall.net/2002/archive/do-ocracy.html > > The motivational power of appreciation cannot be underestimated. The > author is correct in emphasizing the point. What is not emphasized > e

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

eto'd its no use investing spare time in. > I offered myself 2 times to jakarta as a sysadmin/co-list moderator, but > to no avail, although some were complaining about lack of time. This new > proposal will leave this kind of involvement at least open. > > Mvgr, > Martin &

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 11:38, Martin van den Bemt wrote: > On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 17:16, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > > > I fail to see the connection between what I said and what you stated. > > Then I fail to see your connection with my story too.. > I'll Give it

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 11:38, Pier Fumagalli wrote: > "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I fail to see the connection between what I said and what you stated. > > > > I offered myself as installer of Scarab and it was accepted.

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 11:38, James Taylor wrote: > > > My projects haven't come to a grinding halt. Only on general @ jakarta > > But this isn't about your projects, it is about the community, and the > community is more important than the code. Do you even know why you are > here? > No.. how

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

> Hints for newbies, make your CVS commits small, so your overall activity > meter will grow. Two lines at a time, and if you have a nice file of 1000 > lines, you get 500 points just for that... > I'll try and remember that next time. Can//; //; We //; //; //; get //; //;

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

> Being a committer (at least that's my idea), he doesn't only have the > "right" to vote, but also the "due" to vote... > > This is one of the fundamental concepts of any good democratic country. Are > we undermining that? > you also have the right to abstain. Sometimes you speak loudest by

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

> No, it isn't. > In a true democracy, one has the right to abstain. > > IMO that a good democracy doesn't need strong feelings: many dictators go to > power with a strong vote with a strong turnout, while one of the major > democracies of the world, the US, doen't surely have one of the highest

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

LOL ;-) On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 12:43, Martin van den Bemt wrote: > Maven provides that functionality ;)) > see http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine/maven/activity-log.html > > Mvgr, > Martin > > On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 18:28, Pier Fumagalli wrote: > > "James Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 12:53, Martin van den Bemt wrote: > > its a meritocracy. > > Thanx to the Oxfort dictionary I know what it is.. But all democracies > are actually meritocracies according to the dictionary, they select you > to be able to vote when 18+. But this is getting way to Off-Topic

RE: Vicious Abuse?

On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 17:40, Danny Angus wrote: > > > Is it a vicious abuse to ask to free this community from a concept like > > "meritocracy as the number of lines of code you put into CVS"? > > I'm lagging behind here.. but, if you'll humor me, > IMHO its naieve, and potentially harmful for t

RE: Vicious Abuse?

On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 18:22, Danny Angus wrote: > I think what I'm trying to say is that if we want to reconcile the > conflicting aims of having a small manageable group who can communicate, and > *reach**decisions* easily with encouraging large number of participants it > needs to be in some way

subverting CVS WAS: Re: Divorcing karma from CVS access? (Re:Vicious Abuse?)

So is there an interest in one day migrating to subversion? I don't think its *ready* yet but I've always wanted to try it. I never have, because I thought "well I'd like to try a lot of things but as long as I won't be able to use it most places whats the point". A tentative yes here might giv

RE: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

> But Pier, it doesn't address your original problem though, does it? > Which was about the "bar height", or how to encourage contributors, and > increase the number of contributors without diluting, and clogging up, the > community and decision making processes. > Total and complete agreement.

Re: subverting CVS WAS: Re: Divorcing karma from CVS access?(Re:Vicious Abuse?)

> > As for now, I'd be happy when I see Scarab b7+ running > Status on that is this: 1. Monday is a holiday 2. Sometime next week I hope/plan to drive my server back to its "co-located home" 3. Test detonate my Scarab installing on it (appreciate here that I'm taking more care not to screw

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 14:15, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > Well said. > I subscribe to this. > > We should remember that people that contribute so much should be proposed as > committers, regardless to the code submitted, as is done AFAIK in POI, > Struts, Cocoon, Forrest, Avalon, and the Krysalis

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

I totally disagree with everything you just said. I think "committer" status should be granted to folks who do *other* things outside of CVS. But the key word is "Do". So pretend for a second that Pier is *not otherwise* a comitter to Tomcat and wherever, he does a lot of other stuff like m

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

On Tue, 2002-05-28 at 17:36, Leo Simons wrote: > On Tue, 2002-05-28 at 14:20, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > I totally disagree with everything you just said. > > Uhm, I think you disagree with the idea "we should have > 'developers/contributors' with CVS access w

Mail list remote request thingy majig is broken

Yeah, I can't remotely subscribe a user who is having trouble subscribing himself. Furthermore, I'm unable to unsubscribe myself from a mailing list that I'd like to unsubscribe from. (I subscribe/unsubscribe from lots of projects on a regular basis to manage volume)... If I had to guess I thin

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

> Yeah, exactly. And what if there is someone who actually wants less > responsibility and less rights than a committer, but still more than a > contributor? > -1 > It is all about granularity: less rights, less responsibility. > > > "Gee I'd like to dump my code > > here and not bother with

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

> > >thought that was a special kind of elephant... > >http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=white%20elephant > >...does now. > > In some Asian cultures, a particularaly cruel way to blight someone you didn't like was to gift them a white elephant. They'd need to feed and take care of it because

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: >From: "Leo Simons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >>On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 14:04, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: >> >> >>> I don't think >>>there is anything to forbid a community from temporarily grantin

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

Leo Simons wrote: >On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 15:50, Paulo Gaspar wrote: > > >>Despite all the arguments I still can NOT see why it should be >>more complicated than this (Sam + Jon definitions). >> >> > >there's been numerous examples mentioned in this thread. > >Also, the system already _is_

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

> > > > >>>"Why is increased granularity in role/right/responsibility bad in >>>general?" >>> >>> >>> >>1. Because it is a cop out. >> >> > >http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=cop%20out (I'm learning today =) > >which one do you mean? > > /**/ To avoid fulfilling a commitment or re

Wanted to forward this article on to the Tomcat folks but I can'tsubscribe in order to do it so...

http://www.javalobby.org/thread.jsp?forum=61&thread=3786 While the name of this article is just pure inflamatory, some of the points it makes are good and the numbers are interesting if unbacked (by WTF was it the application you benchmarked) I think constructive criticism is good. -Andy --

Re: Wanted to forward this article on to the Tomcat folks but I can'tsubscribe in order to do it so...

mcat. > > - Dave > > > > > Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > >> http://www.javalobby.org/thread.jsp?forum=61&thread=3786 >> >> While the name of this article is just pure inflamatory, some of the >> points it makes are good and the numbers are int

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

Jon Scott Stevens wrote: >on 5/29/02 7:23 AM, "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>to me the point that Pier was trying to get accross that I agreed with >>is that there is sometimes work that happens >>outside of CVS worth

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

Jon Scott Stevens wrote: >on 5/29/02 1:47 PM, "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>I got shot down by the POI community. >> >> > >Sounds like a common thread, eh? > > Not sure what you mean. How's the b

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

Sam Ruby wrote: >Ted Husted wrote: > > >>I believe the fundamental principal behind our system is >> >> Them that does the work makes the decisions. >> >> > >+1 > > +1 > > >>I believe a secondary principal behind our system is >> >> Thanks for volunteering. >> >> > >+1 > > +1

ApacheCon 2002 US: Deadline for submissions is TO-MORROW!

Sorry for the cross post but I think this is of sufficient importance and I don't think everyone on here is on the announcements list. -Andy -- Greetings! One last reminder: the deadline for submitting proposals fo

Re: Job postings ?

> > >If this takes off, it is going to be a pain for whoever has to maintain >it as good java developers are always in demand (at least over here, >they are), and reqruitment companies will see it as a very useful >(free!) alternative to monsterboard & co. > > They are? Where is that? Here s

status

FYI, I've gotten my server back to its co-location and I'm working on learning how to install scarab. Running out of weekend, so it will probably be another week. (I haven't forgotten) -Andy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: status

> > >There is an installation of Scarab on nagoya which is where I've been >working on upgrading what's there. A mailing list for the admin has also >been setup [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cool I'll subscribe. > > >I was gone for about six weeks so I didn't know there was discussion of >Scarab but nag

unbiased opinions wanted.

The POI community, in an effort to be really original , is conducting a logo contest. One of the logos appears to have taken the show but I'm a bit suspicious as to just how far away its run with the show. http://vote.sparklit.com/poll.spark/640946 I mean most days it gets 50-100 votes which

Re: unbiased opinions wanted.

Danny Angus wrote: >Its clever, what looks like the M$ logo rising up out of what looks like the >Java cup. >I can see why people would vote for it, it actually manages to convey some >relevant meaning. > > So you don't think *other measures* than one man one vote were used.. cool. >IMHO Reac

Re: Scarab

Jason van Zyl wrote: >On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 22:08, Peter Donald wrote: > > >>Yea for scarab! >> >>BTW are all the bugs and bug histories from bugzilla going to be moved >>across auotmagically? >> >> > >I will attempt, but I don't know what the conversion process is like. I >think we should

Re: Interesting quote....

> > >I guess they dropped the parts from Spyglass - wasn't the first IE just a >rebranded spyglass browser? > > > Yes. IIRC, The IE that came with windows originally (That didn't do jack) was just Mosaic, which at the time had been recently acquired from NCSA, where Anderssen used to work. S

RE: Interesting quote....

> - Leo, who's thinking how nice it'd be to be able to plug in mod_webapp > into that IIS > HA! -Andy, who will laugh when Leo gets Code Red III or IV or whatever. > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: Fw: Jakarta Newsletter

> > >Any thoughts / preferences? or do we stick with Jakarta Newsletter? > >Rob > > Jakarta Newsletter informs on what it is and at a quick glance I have a great idea what to expect from it. Jakarta Jist, or some other monkier while it may be viewed as catchier it may not strike an immediate f

Re: Fw: Jakarta Newsletter

> > >Please not Jakarta Briefs :) > > Oh I missed that one! Lets DO name it Jakarta Briefs, forget about the opinion earlier. Lets air out our dirty laundry and we can even do an ASCII art pair of underwear at the top! Hehe.. -Andy >On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Rob Oxspring wrote: > > > >>Quick

Re: [DRAFT1] Jakarta Newsletter - June 2002

Cool Avik! Nice job. This is a nice piece of work and really puts things into perspective. -Andy >POI >=== >Editor: Avik Sengupta > >The POI team made two releases in June. A production release of version >1.5.1 on June 17, and a dev milestone release 1.7.0 on June 24. The dev >release w

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