Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote:
What I would like to do is to hear from Howard himself (or anyone
working on the HiveMind project)! I'm particularly interested in how
Avalon can leverage some of the technologies in HiveMind, and I'm
equally confident in the ability of Avalon to provide
value-add
On 12/1/03 2:47 AM, "Stephen McConnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I thought you ended our discussion? Okay I guess not. My point continues
to be that I don't think Howard should be forced and that if HiveMind builds
a community, it is perfectly welcome here regardless of cooperation with
Avalon
On 12/1/03 2:02 AM, "Stephen McConnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> End of discussion.
>
>
Excellent.
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> > I prefer to see Hivemind established as a community (as far
> as I know Howard
> > is the only member of the community ATM) before exploring
> as you say. I see
> > no reason to deprive Howard of the opportunity to establish
> Hivemind and
> > build a community.
That's what is, in fact,
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Perhaps you missed that part of my message.
No - I didn't miss anything.
What you could do is try to add some rationalization around your
arguments instead of making negative assertions about a project
you are not involved with and are not interested in.
The rest of yo
Andrew C. Oliver wrote in haste:
I say
that Howard Lewis Ship is a skilled coder and community builder and if he
wants to give it a try with HiveMind, while the topic bores me personally,
I'll give him my support. If he does want to collaborate with the
Avalonites (Avaloners?) then he should be
On 11/30/03 11:56 PM, "Stephen McConnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Andrew:
>
> Why don't you just get to the issue. You chose to piss on project your
> not involved with, not interested in, and not even tracking. From this
> position, you chose to criticise both the project and me person
>> I say
>> that Howard Lewis Ship is a skilled coder and community builder and if he
>> wants to give it a try with HiveMind, while the topic bores me personally,
>> I'll give him my support. If he does want to collaborate with the
>> Avalonites (Avaloners?) then he should be encouraged to do so;
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
I don't think that Avalon has any right to have a stranglehold on all
service frameworks.
Andrew:
The Avalon community very aware of the the different approaches that
exist. If your following the Avalon dev list you would be aware of
ongoing discussions concerning d
Java Web Components
> http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry
> http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/hivemind/
> http://javatapestry.blogspot.com
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Tim O'Brien [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:29 PM
>&
ard M. Lewis Ship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 8:03 AM
> To: 'Jakarta General List'
> Subject: RE: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework / status
>
> I'm trying to track down that myself. I need to give my friends at WebCT a
> ca
PM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework
>
>
> +1 - there is room enough.
>
> On a related note, what is the current status of HiveMind?
> the site is
> still blanked out in Commons. Could someone please update
> general
http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry
http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/hivemind/
http://javatapestry.blogspot.com
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>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen McConnell
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:10 PM
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Subject: Re: [Proposal] HiveMin
ember 13, 2003 10:10 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've put up a limited copy of the HiveMind documentation on
my personal home page:
Howard:
Are you open to the idea of discussing some mutual areas of interest?
T
] On Behalf Of Stephen McConnell
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 10:10 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework
>
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I've put up a limited copy of the HiveMind documentation on
>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've put up a limited copy of the HiveMind documentation on my personal home page:
Howard:
Are you open to the idea of discussing some mutual areas of interest?
There are a number of aspects of the work you are doing that are
complimentary with the work on-going in Ava
I've put up a limited copy of the HiveMind documentation on my personal home page:
http://home.comcast.net/~hlship/
This includes most documentation, but excludes JavaDoc, Source Xref, etc.
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> [EMAIL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
this proposal is that HiveMind be a top-level Jakarta project
In terms of homes, I can see a number of possible options:
3) Chuck it over to Avalon
I've snipped out my opinions on the other options; not feeling much like
re-re-hashing what basically are the same diffe
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
An article on The Server Side
(http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=22371) started me
thinking again about HiveMind today. The major issues mentioned there are
the same as mentioned by Howard below:
I've looked to see how we could graft HiveMind into
An article on The Server Side
(http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=22371) started me
thinking again about HiveMind today. The major issues mentioned there are
the same as mentioned by Howard below:
> > I've looked to see how we could graft HiveMind into Avalon and
vice-versa,
>
J Aaron Farr wrote:
FYI:
I think someone wanted this to get forwarded to the Avalon 'general' mailing
list, but since that doesn't exist, I thought I'd send it to our dev list.
For the Avaloners:
There's been a bit of discussion lately on [EMAIL PROTECTED] about what to do with
Hivemind seei
FYI:
I think someone wanted this to get forwarded to the Avalon 'general' mailing
list, but since that doesn't exist, I thought I'd send it to our dev list.
For the Avaloners:
There's been a bit of discussion lately on [EMAIL PROTECTED] about what to do with
Hivemind seeing that it has start
Howard wrote:
> 3) Chuck it over to Avalon
> I've looked to see how we could graft HiveMind into Avalon and
vice-versa,
> but they are really quite different beasts. The type-1 > vs.
type-2/type-3
> split is intrinsic and difficult to reconcile. HiveMind's concept of a
module
> doesn't map
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
>
> > I still ask myself why we can't put HiveMind as its own project under
> > the Jakarta umbrella.
>
> Isn't that what this proposal is proposing? If it isn't, then
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the wrong list to propose it to.
>
> >
> > We have
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
> I still ask myself why we can't put HiveMind as its own project under
> the Jakarta umbrella.
Isn't that what this proposal is proposing? If it isn't, then
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is the wrong list to propose it to.
>
> We have projects with a much
> I still ask myself why we can't put HiveMind as its own project under
> the Jakarta umbrella.
It doesn't seem unreasonable to me, if the criteria are met and the
political implications of creating a new sub-project are acceptable.
Otherwise a spell in commons will help to cement the communit
I still ask myself why we can't put HiveMind as its own project under
the Jakarta umbrella.
We have projects with a much smaller scope as "normal" jakarta projects
and we have and had framework projects such as Cocoon, Avalon or Turbine
outside of the commons.
IMHO the scope of HiveMind is alread
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> Part of the proposal indicates the jakarta-commons is not the right home for
> HiveMind, as it does not fit in with the charter of the commons (too many
> dependencies, etc.).
>
Even if it were proposed that Hivemind stay in jakarta-commons, I do not share
Martin's c
Quoting:
"Note: the current code base reflects an alternate package name,
org.apache.commons.hivemind. Subsequent research has shown that
HiveMind is not a suitable candidate for the Jakarta Commons. The
existing code base will be migrated to the new package during the
transition out of the sand
Part of the proposal indicates the jakarta-commons is not the right home for HiveMind,
as it does not fit in with the charter of the commons (too many dependencies, etc.).
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> Accepting this proposal as
Accepting this proposal as currently written would also involve the
acceptance of five new individuals as Apache committers. Based on where
the HiveMind repo currently is/was, that implies giving five unknowns (to
me, anyway) access to Jakarta Commons as a whole. I'm not so sure I'd be
willing to s
m: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 1:46 PM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework
>
>
> >From talking with Prashant, the grant is in-progress. Given that these
> discussions tend to ramble on fo
: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework
>From talking with Prashant, the grant is in-progress. Given that these
discussions tend to ramble on for a couple of weeks, I think the grant
will be ready long before any real action is necessitated.
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Compone
Cool. Could this be added as a note to the proposal? As a dependency or
whatever.
Hen
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >From talking with Prashant, the grant is in-progress. Given that these discussions
> >tend to ramble on for a couple of weeks, I think the grant will be ready l
>From talking with Prashant, the grant is in-progress. Given that these discussions
>tend to ramble on for a couple of weeks, I think the grant will be ready long before
>any real action is necessitated.
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So this proposal is dependent on the grant?
Any time line on that?
[not trying to get in the way, jsut to do the pmc-thing]
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The offending IP has been taken off-line: this includes the HiveMind CVS
> repository, the temporary downloads directory an
The offending IP has been taken off-line: this includes the HiveMind CVS repository,
the temporary downloads directory and (most regrettably) the HiveMind home page.
This proposal is half of the resolution to the IP issue. The other (and possibly more
important part) is the software grant that i
Daft question, possibly, but could someone summarise the IP issue that was
happening over HiveMind and how it is currently resolved.
I've not been following the thread, but I've seen the noise. Is everything
squared away and happy?
Hen
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Nayak, Prashant wrote:
>
> Proposal f
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