Re: [gentoo-user] Root login, KDE-3.4

[Glenn Enright]

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:34, Ted Ozolins wrote:
> Just completed an "emerge -uvD world" on all my systems here. The update
> went extremely smooth, many thanks to the Gentoo developers and package
> maintainer.  Now root is not permitted to login to KDE, which is just
> fine by me except for login into my lab-rat. My test machine is placed
> on the net only as a user and when I need to upgrade, the rest of the
> time it is not on the net.  I use the lab-rat to test new
> hardware/software and its convenient to be logged in as root. How do I
> enable root login in kdm?
>
> TIA
>
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> Westbank, B. C

do you mean you cant use the root login name or that there is no icon for root 
in kdm? you should be able to type root in the username box and passswd as 
per normal. Why you would really want to escapes me right now tho, cause all 
the important stuff can be done with control center or konsole using su. just 
my 2c.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Root login, KDE-3.4

[Ted Ozolins]

Ted Ozolins wrote:

>Just completed an "emerge -uvD world" on all my systems here. The update
>went extremely smooth, many thanks to the Gentoo developers and package
>maintainer.  Now root is not permitted to login to KDE, which is just
>fine by me except for login into my lab-rat. My test machine is placed
>on the net only as a user and when I need to upgrade, the rest of the
>time it is not on the net.  I use the lab-rat to test new
>hardware/software and its convenient to be logged in as root. How do I
>enable root login in kdm?
>
>TIA
>
>  
>
Right after I sent this I looked at kdmrc. Now I can login to my lab-rat
as root.

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Re: [gentoo-user] CD burning with full filenames

[Frank Schafer]

On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 20:40 -0700, Grant wrote:
> > > Hello, does anyone know how to make an ISO and then burn it to a CD
> > > with the full filenames preserved?  I tried specifying Joliet and Rock
> > > Ridge but the output from mkisofs looks like the filenames are being
> > > altered.
> > 
> > AFAICR none of the available CD filesystems support the full range of
> > Unix filenames.

Using Rock Ridge extension AND translation tables (man cdrecord) does.
One should avoid Joliet if the CD shall not be used on Wondies.

Regards
Frank

PS: Excuse me that "middle posting" ;)

> > 
> > If this is for backup purposes you might be better off just making a tar
> > file and burning that directly to CD - tar is designed for archiving,
> > after all. The resulting CD will be readable by e.g. "tar
> > tvf /dev/cdrom".
> 
> I ended up tar'ing it and it works fine.  Thanks for everyone's help.
> 
> - Grant
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[gentoo-user] Root login, KDE-3.4

[Ted Ozolins]

Just completed an "emerge -uvD world" on all my systems here. The update
went extremely smooth, many thanks to the Gentoo developers and package
maintainer.  Now root is not permitted to login to KDE, which is just
fine by me except for login into my lab-rat. My test machine is placed
on the net only as a user and when I need to upgrade, the rest of the
time it is not on the net.  I use the lab-rat to test new
hardware/software and its convenient to be logged in as root. How do I
enable root login in kdm?

TIA

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Re: [gentoo-user] ati -- dreaded "xf86-ENOMEM" error

[Ryan Sims]

On 8/23/05, Mark Knecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Maxim,
>An AGP support issue probably. Which kernel are you using?

I found that running with a 2.6.12 kernel gave me this error;
downgrading to 2.6.11 fixed it.  here's a relevant forum topic:

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-353295-highlight-xf86enomem.html

Seems that the problem might be resolved with latest ati-drivers*  and
latest gentoo-sources, YMMV, I haven't had the chance to play with it
much lately.

*I notice that ati-drivers-8.14.13-r2 has
"fglrx-8.14.13-alt-2.6.12-agp.patch" added, might be apropos:
http://gentoo-portage.com/media-video/ati-drivers/ChangeLog

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Re: [gentoo-user] CD burning with full filenames

[Grant]

> > Hello, does anyone know how to make an ISO and then burn it to a CD
> > with the full filenames preserved?  I tried specifying Joliet and Rock
> > Ridge but the output from mkisofs looks like the filenames are being
> > altered.
> 
> AFAICR none of the available CD filesystems support the full range of
> Unix filenames.
> 
> If this is for backup purposes you might be better off just making a tar
> file and burning that directly to CD - tar is designed for archiving,
> after all. The resulting CD will be readable by e.g. "tar
> tvf /dev/cdrom".

I ended up tar'ing it and it works fine.  Thanks for everyone's help.

- Grant

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Re: [gentoo-user] /home becoming readonly every night

[Jason Stubbs]

On Thursday 25 August 2005 09:13, Matt Nordhoff wrote:
> On 08/24/05 15:59, Nick Rout wrote:
> > For somewhere between 3 days and a week I have been rising to find
> > that /home has become readonly overnight.
>
> Filesystem errors, maybe? That's why I was always getting read-only
> partitions... Run fsck on it.

Also check dmesg. It should say exactly why the filesystem was made 
read-only.

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Re: [gentoo-user] /home becoming readonly every night

[Nick Rout]

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:13:41 -0400
Matt Nordhoff wrote:

> On 08/24/05 15:59, Nick Rout wrote:
> > For somewhere between 3 days and a week I have been rising to find
> > that /home has become readonly overnight.
> > 
> > Basically I have to shut down X, manually kill all processes
> > accessing /home and then run
> > 
> > umount /home
> > mount /home
> > 
> > which fixes it until tomorrow morning.
> > 
> > I also tried mount /home -o remount,rw 
> > 
> > but was told that /dev/hdb1 was readonly - but it has the same
> > permissions as /dev/hda1.
> > 
> > Any clues as to where to from here? I cannot even seem to isolate what
> > time this is happening.
> 
> Filesystem errors, maybe? That's why I was always getting read-only 
> partitions... Run fsck on it.

>From a log investigation you might be right.

Bugger, it is a newish disk too.

Better dig out the receipt and get ready to ask for a replacement.

After backing up the 110G on the darned thing.

Time to dump some old files methinks!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Evolution 2.2.3 Filtering Time (Too Long!)

[W.Kenworthy]

The evidence I have for this is a bit "vague" being more of an
impression that processing is faster, but it seems that evo runs one
filter on a message, then the next, and so on.  If you can almalgamate
rules that do similar functions (i.e., copy messages to the same
directory) into one compound rule, they seem to run faster as they are
dealing with fewer, albeit more complex filters.

It would be nice to know exactly how the filtering mechanism works for
this.

To re-iterate, the majority of delays (after implementing stop rules per
filter etc) are outside evo's control, particularly online spam checking
and these are areas its not really possible to do much about if you need
the functionality (and I certainly do!).  

BillK


On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 12:21 -0400, fire-eyes wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 09:06 +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote:
> > 3. use a compound filter rather than separate ones (this assumes there
> > is less overhead doing this - subjectively it does seem quicker)
> 
> Thanks for the tips. The above one is the only one I don't really
> understand, can you elaborate a bit?
> 

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Re: [gentoo-user] ebuild for Lost Labyrinth

[Nick Rout]

I know I should upload this to bugs.gentoo.org, but as we are in the
middle of a thread i thought I'd load it here for anyone interested to
try (and to criticise)

Please be gentle with me, this is my first ebuild.

The ebuild is attached, as is the small startup script. The way it works
and installs is detailed below (although the version is now 1.0.2 rather
than 1.0.0)

You need to have portage overlay enabled, and assuming your overlay is
in /usr/local/portage, you need to make the following directories:

/usr/local/portage/games-roguelike/laby/
and 
/usr/local/portage/games-roguelike/laby/files

the ebuild file goes in the former, the file laby goes in the latter.

You will need to:

ebuild /usr/local/portage/games-roguelike/laby/laby-1.0.2.ebuild digest

and then add laby your list of unstable builds:

echo "games-roguelike/laby  ~x86" >> /etc/portage/package.keywords

It _should_ then emerge fine.

As long as you are in the games group you should be able to just run 

laby

TODO:

1. tidy up ownership and permissions of installed files.
2. make the wrapper script stop artsd and restart it IF it was running
in the first place. (alternatively run the program with artsdsp if arts
is running? - thats probably a better option!)




On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:42:16 +0200
Markus Döbele wrote:

> Okay, I just uploaded the new release to sourceforge.
> Its version 1.0.2
> 
> > Right Markus I have written an ebuild that installs the package and it
> > works, although I am not sure if its how a pro would have done it.
> >
> > It downloads the compiled version 1.0.0 from sourceforge (can't test it
> > on 1.0.1 or 1.0.2 until you put them on sourceforge.) Once you have done
> > that, and I have tested it, I'll make it available for others to test.
> >
> > Basically it downloads the compiled tarball and installs the executable
> > (laby) and the support files (sounds.pak, highscores.dat, graphics.pak)
> > to /usr/lib/laby/ It puts a script into /usr/games/bin. The script
> > simple cd's to /usr/lib/laby and them executes laby. (It seems to need
> > to be executed from the same directory the support files are in, makes
> > sense really)
> >
> > Comments on my chosen file locations would be appreciated. They are easy
> > enough to change.
> >
> > It also installs the readme.txt to /usr/share/doc/laby-1.0.0 (this is a
> > gentoo standard location for documentation). If people think I should it
> > can also put readme_waffen.txt and readme_zauber.txt into the same
> > place, but as I don't know german i am unsure if they are really
> > helpful, or just take up space :-)
> >

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Re: [gentoo-user] /home becoming readonly every night

[Matt Nordhoff]

On 08/24/05 15:59, Nick Rout wrote:

For somewhere between 3 days and a week I have been rising to find
that /home has become readonly overnight.

Basically I have to shut down X, manually kill all processes
accessing /home and then run

umount /home
mount /home

which fixes it until tomorrow morning.

I also tried mount /home -o remount,rw 


but was told that /dev/hdb1 was readonly - but it has the same
permissions as /dev/hda1.

Any clues as to where to from here? I cannot even seem to isolate what
time this is happening.


Filesystem errors, maybe? That's why I was always getting read-only 
partitions... Run fsck on it.


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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[Matt Nordhoff]

On 08/24/05 19:01, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:

Yes.  However, I understand Hemmann and Nebinger's points.  Makes sense
in a way.  But I don't usually start reading at the top.  I usually will
have already read previous comments and I just want to get to the latest.

Too bad Thunderbird doesn't have a setting "Start_Read_At_Bottom" :-)

Tony


You could use the QuoteCollapse extension:

http://quotecollapse.mozdev.org/>

I think there also may be an extension that does just that, but I can't 
say I have a link to one.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Downloading packages from a txt file

[Willie Wong]

On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 09:55:32AM +1200, Nick Rout wrote:
> On Wed, August 24, 2005 11:14 pm, Fernando Canizo said:
> The sed part transforms from a list all on one line with spaces separating
> to a list one per line, ie:
> 
> url1 url2 url3
> 
> to
> 
> url1
> url2
> url3
> 
> Trouble is this gives a list with many alternatives for each url
> (depending on the number of mirrors shown in the ebuild.
> 
> You then need a script to download each url ONLY if one of the earlier
> url's for the same file hasn't worked.
> 

I don't think you do... I think "wget -c" will only download if the
size doesn't match. And if you trust your internet connection enough,
you can use "wget -nc", which only downloads if a file of the same
name does not exist (but doesn't check for length/size). 

Though, seeing that the internet connection is on a separate machine,
maybe the OP would like to have integrity checking while downloading
(so he won't run into "D'oh, the MD5 sum doesn't match" problem). And
with my poor "skillz" in programming, I'd rather install portage on
Debian then to hack a replacement to download and check the md5 for
the packages. 

W
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: migrating to gcc-3.4.4

[Willie Wong]

On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 08:30:11PM +, Fernando Meira wrote:
> Oh.. and by the way, how reliable is this prediction?
> (...)
> [ebuild N ] sys-apps/hdparm-5.9 
> [ebuild N ] sys-libs/pwdb-0.62 
> 
> Estimated update time: 6 hours, 7 minutes.
> 
> All system in 6h? It is something like 120 packages..
> 

What's the speed of your box? I recently did an emerge --emptytree
world on my 1.6G Pentium M laptop. It had 446 packages done in less
than 29 hours (I say less than because if would run long stretches at
a time and stop after failed downloads here and there because of
wireless problems... for all I know it could have been sitting there
waiting for me to fix my wireless router for a couple of hours or
more). 

So if you have a comparably fast system, with not too many useflags
enabled, I'd say that 120 packages in 6 hours is quite possible. 

W
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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[Anthony E. Caudel]

Jerry McBride wrote:
> On Wednesday 24 August 2005 09:14 pm, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:
> 
>>Jonathan Nichols wrote:
>>
>>>Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>>>
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| You know bud, read some rules, be polite.

There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest
thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but
not by much.
>>>
>>>It's too bad that even *gmail*, the paragon of geek email, encourages
>>>top posting. :(
>>>
>>>And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change
>>>that.
>>
>>As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form.  I'm
>>using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the
>>top.  With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post.
>>
> 
> 
> I with you, brother...
> 
> 
> For me, top posting keeps me from having to wade through the entire message 
> to 
> get to the "new response" of the OP. 
> 
> I think most "linux nerds" (me included) distain top posting because it's the 
> default setting of some email app that runs on the windows OS
> 
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
Yes.  However, I understand Hemmann and Nebinger's points.  Makes sense
in a way.  But I don't usually start reading at the top.  I usually will
have already read previous comments and I just want to get to the latest.

Too bad Thunderbird doesn't have a setting "Start_Read_At_Bottom" :-)

Tony

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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[Jonathan Nichols]

For me, top posting keeps me from having to wade through the entire message to 
get to the "new response" of the OP. 

I think most "linux nerds" (me included) distain top posting because it's the 
default setting of some email app that runs on the windows OS




It's also the default for Gmail and Thunderbird, as I mentioned before. 
Fortunately, Thunderbird lets you change it. Holly posted a nice little 
how-to as well.. ;)


The biggest problem that I run into is more often than not, the top 
posting types leave the *entire email conversation* below their reply. 
They don't trim it. They end up causing *more* scrolling to get to the 
issue at hand. That's bad.


I remember the days of "netiquette." I guess I'm a grizzled old Usenet 
hippie. :|

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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[Jonathan Nichols]

Holly Bostick wrote:

Jonathan Nichols schreef:


And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change
that.



Oh, for Pete's sake, you can change that in your Preferences in 5 seconds.



Uuuh Holly, I'm quite aware of that. It's one of the very first things 
that I change.


*Other users* are obviously *not* aware of it, and unfortunately, it's 
the default. Since many many many end users leave applications at their 
default settings, they top post. :P



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Re: [gentoo-user] Downloading packages from a txt file

[Nick Rout]

On Wed, August 24, 2005 11:14 pm, Fernando Canizo said:
> El 24/ago/2005 a las 02:36 -0300, Nick me decía:
>> Seriously this time:
>>
>> How about changing your strategy to this:
>>
>> Get a list of the packages you want to update from the target machine.
>> something like:
>>
>> emerge -uDp world|grep ebuild|awk '{print($4)}'>packlist
>>
>> take packlist to the connected machine and type:
>>
>> for package in `cat packlist` ; do DISTDIR=/where/ever/i/want emerge
>> --nodeps -f =$package; done
>>
>> The files will then be in /where/ever/i/want and you can put them on a
>> cd or whatever method you are using and take them away.
>>
>> --nodeps will make sure that your connected host doesn't substitute its
>> own idea of what the deps are (perhaps based on different USE flags)
>
> Could work, but i think he says he has debian in connected machine.

yes thats a bit of a barrier, although having debian doesn't stop him
installing portage AFAIK. A long time ago in a galaxy far away there was a
howto on installing portage on other distros.

>
> (hasn't?)
>
> Anyway i would be great if 'emerge' has clean option like
> '--print-uris' from apt-get so one could just use 'wget' or whatever
> they find on connected machine.

you mean like:

emerge -fp target 2>&1|grep -v Calculating|grep -v '...done!'|sed -e 's/\
/\n/g'

The sed part transforms from a list all on one line with spaces separating
to a list one per line, ie:

url1 url2 url3

to

url1
url2
url3

Trouble is this gives a list with many alternatives for each url
(depending on the number of mirrors shown in the ebuild.

You then need a script to download each url ONLY if one of the earlier
url's for the same file hasn't worked.

>Other idea could be to have a script
> that downloads the gentoo-way using what emerge print now, checking
> mirrors, etc. Like a tiny version of emerge.
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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[David Morgan]

On 21:45 Wed 24 Aug , Jerry McBride wrote:
> For me, top posting keeps me from having to wade through the entire message 
> to 
Well that wouldn't be a problem if people only quoted the bits of the
email that were relevant to their reply. Apparently trimming the other
bits is beyond most people though *shrug*

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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[Jerry McBride]

On Wednesday 24 August 2005 09:14 pm, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:
> Jonathan Nichols wrote:
> > Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> >> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga
> >>
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> | You know bud, read some rules, be polite.
> >>
> >> There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest
> >> thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but
> >> not by much.
> >
> > It's too bad that even *gmail*, the paragon of geek email, encourages
> > top posting. :(
> >
> > And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change
> > that.
>
> As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form.  I'm
> using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the
> top.  With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post.
>

I with you, brother...


For me, top posting keeps me from having to wade through the entire message to 
get to the "new response" of the OP. 

I think most "linux nerds" (me included) distain top posting because it's the 
default setting of some email app that runs on the windows OS


Jerry





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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[Ciaran McCreesh]

A. Top posting!

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:14:08 -0500 "Anthony E. Caudel"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form.  I'm
| using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the
| top.  With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post.

Q. What is the most annoying thing you can do on mailing lists?

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RE: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[Dave Nebinger]

> As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form.  I'm
> using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the
> top.  With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post.

Because we don't read from bottom up, we read from top down.  For example,
this comment by itself makes no sense (are we talking about how we read,
etc.).  The context of the previous post is needed to understand the context
of the reply.

Top posting means that you, as a reader, will need to scroll back and forth
in order to understand what the context of the original post and the reply
are.

And things get even worse if you top post a reply that deals with part (but
not all) of the original post; contextually it is sometimes difficult to
determine which part of the original post the reply is intended for.  This
is why many of us will embed replies within the originally quoted text to
ensure that the context of both the original post and the response are
clear.



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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Wednesday 24 August 2005 23:14, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:

> As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form.  I'm
> using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the
> top.  With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post.


because, if you quote, then there is context. If you bottom-quote, I have to 
scroll down, read the quoted part, scroll up to read your message. Than, 
scroll down again, if something is hidden below your quoted block.

You see how moronic that is?

If you see a written question, do you write your aswer above?


plus: the majority considers this as bad, that should be enough to quit it 
without making a fuss. Or you annoy the majority of potential helpfull users, 
even before they read your complete message.
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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[Anthony E. Caudel]

Jonathan Nichols wrote:

> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> | You know bud, read some rules, be polite.
>>
>> There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest
>> thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but
>> not by much.
>>
>
> It's too bad that even *gmail*, the paragon of geek email, encourages
> top posting. :(
>
> And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change
> that.

As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form.  I'm
using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the
top.  With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post.

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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[Holly Bostick]

Jonathan Nichols schreef:
> 
> And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change
> that.

Oh, for Pete's sake, you can change that in your Preferences in 5 seconds.

Edit=>Account Preferences=> Compostion and Addressing=>Check the box
that says "If I respond, quote the original text automatically" (or
uncheck it to solve the entire issue), and then use the dropdown menu to
change "start my response above the quoted text" to "start my response
below the quoted text". I mean, the only reason it's the "default" is
because the word "above" is alphabetically above the word "below" so the
"above" option appears first in the list.

While you're in the prefs, you might want to uncheck "Compose messages
in HTML format" (on the same dialog) as well.

Defaults are just that; default selections that the user can change if
desired. They're not set in stone ('default' in this context implies
that other choices exist and are available, as opposed to hard-coding,
which can't be changed by the user, so are not 'default' settings but
'fixed' settings).

Sorry to go OT again, but I just couldn't let that pass.

Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

[Markus Döbele]

Okay, I just uploaded the new release to sourceforge.
Its version 1.0.2

As always 3 files: binaries as tar.gz, rpm and source as tar.gz.

Don't forget to make the highscores.dat writable for the user.

And yes, I have to rewrite the waffen (weapons) and zauber (spells) readme's 
to english.
Will do this soon!


Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 13:41 schrieb Nick Rout:
> Right Markus I have written an ebuild that installs the package and it
> works, although I am not sure if its how a pro would have done it.
>
> It downloads the compiled version 1.0.0 from sourceforge (can't test it
> on 1.0.1 or 1.0.2 until you put them on sourceforge.) Once you have done
> that, and I have tested it, I'll make it available for others to test.
>
> Basically it downloads the compiled tarball and installs the executable
> (laby) and the support files (sounds.pak, highscores.dat, graphics.pak)
> to /usr/lib/laby/ It puts a script into /usr/games/bin. The script
> simple cd's to /usr/lib/laby and them executes laby. (It seems to need
> to be executed from the same directory the support files are in, makes
> sense really)
>
> Comments on my chosen file locations would be appreciated. They are easy
> enough to change.
>
> It also installs the readme.txt to /usr/share/doc/laby-1.0.0 (this is a
> gentoo standard location for documentation). If people think I should it
> can also put readme_waffen.txt and readme_zauber.txt into the same
> place, but as I don't know german i am unsure if they are really
> helpful, or just take up space :-)
>
> On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 20:49 +1200, Nick Rout wrote:
> > Markus, you just keep working on the program and make sure you upload it
> > to sourceforge, I'll do the ebuilds :-)
> >
> > On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:06 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote:
> > > Okay, but this means to me that it makes no real difference if I upload
> > > it to 2 destinations all the time.
> > > I am living in Argentina and my internet connection here is very slow
> > > :-(
> > >
> > > When we have to write a special file (ebuild) anyway so I would suggest
> > > to rename the funny name the server is giving us.
> > > We just have to insert a variable which contains the actual version.
> > >
> > > Saves me a lot of time.
> > > And I want to concentrate my efforts on making laby better and not
> > > other stuff.
> > >
> > > There is still a lot to to. And I want to beat the Windows version as
> > > soon as possible!
> >
> > --
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>
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Re: [gentoo-user] Flash MX 2004

[Fernando Meira]

HI,
I'm not bringing help, sorry.
Just started using wine few days ago and I was wondering of what to do
when an app doesn't work.. I read on the user guide that
WINEDEBUG=+loaddll would tell me what dlls are missing.. though I never
got any reply from that option. Does it go to any log file or something
like that?
Anyway, the main question is, when something doesn't work "à lá windoz"
(next>next&it's ready) what can we do? How can we work around
that for getting it to work?

For example: although I haven't tried yet, Dreamweaver MX would be one
app that I would be interested on... It is just "wine setup.exe"?

Thanks.
FernandoOn 8/24/05, Ian K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Michael Crute wrote:> Yes Flash 5 and I believe that even MX works anything before they> started adding activation. Though I believe this is not without its> flaws (i.e. I have heard the color chooser crashes the program) in
> either case it definately works. I ran DW MX under Wine for the> longest time without any major issues.>Cool! Im getting an install isue though, I mount the cdrom, then usewine setup.exe
But I get an error... Something about ikernel not being located, I believe.Thanks!Ian> -Mike>> On 8/23/05, *Ian K* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> wrote:>> Michael Crute wrote:>> > Nobody has yet to get any of Studio MX 2004 working under Wine. The> > issue (so I have been told) is the activation system doesn't
> play real> > nice with Wine. Perhaps if you are skilled in the black art of> > cracking you could hack out the activation routines and make it> work?> > (Note: for personal use only please, I don't advocate software
> piracy)>> Ah. Well no, I dont like illegal software. Um, I have Flash 5,> does that> work under Wine?> Thanks!> Ian>> >> > -Mike
> >> > On 8/23/05, *Ian K* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:> >> > Hey all,> > Has anyone been able to get the trial working under Wine?
> > Also, because I would use it under Wine, would it be easy to> uninstall> > the trial and re install it after 30 days? :)> > Ian> >> >
> >> >> >> > --> > > > Michael E. Crute> > Software Developer> > SoftGroup Development Corporation
> >> > Linux, because reboots are for installing hardware.> > "In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?">
>>> --> > Michael E. Crute> Software Developer> SoftGroup Development Corporation>> Linux, because reboots are for installing hardware.
> "In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?"

Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[Jonathan Nichols]

Ciaran McCreesh wrote:

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| You know bud, read some rules, be polite.

There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest
thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but
not by much.



It's too bad that even *gmail*, the paragon of geek email, encourages 
top posting. :(


And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change that.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Flash MX 2004

[Ian K]

Michael Crute wrote:

> Yes Flash 5 and I believe that even MX works anything before they
> started adding activation. Though I believe this is not without its
> flaws (i.e. I have heard the color chooser crashes the program) in
> either case it definately works. I ran DW MX under Wine for the
> longest time without any major issues.
>
Cool! Im getting an install isue though, I mount the cdrom, then use
wine setup.exe
But I get an error... Something about ikernel not being located, I believe.
Thanks!
Ian

> -Mike
>
> On 8/23/05, *Ian K* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> wrote:
>
> Michael Crute wrote:
>
> > Nobody has yet to get any of Studio MX 2004 working under Wine. The
> > issue (so I have been told) is the activation system doesn't
> play real
> > nice with Wine. Perhaps if you are skilled in the black art of
> > cracking you could hack out the activation routines and make it
> work?
> > (Note: for personal use only please, I don't advocate software
> piracy)
>
> Ah. Well no, I dont like illegal software. Um, I have Flash 5,
> does that
> work under Wine?
> Thanks!
> Ian
>
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > On 8/23/05, *Ian K* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   >>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hey all,
> > Has anyone been able to get the trial working under Wine?
> > Also, because I would use it under Wine, would it be easy to
> uninstall
> > the trial and re install it after 30 days? :)
> > Ian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > 
> > Michael E. Crute
> > Software Developer
> > SoftGroup Development Corporation
> >
> > Linux, because reboots are for installing hardware.
> > "In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> 
> Michael E. Crute
> Software Developer
> SoftGroup Development Corporation
>
> Linux, because reboots are for installing hardware.
> "In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?" 


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[gentoo-user] Re: migrating to gcc-3.4.4

[Fernando Meira]

Oh.. and by the way, how reliable is this prediction?
(...)
[ebuild  N    ] sys-apps/hdparm-5.9  
[ebuild  N    ] sys-libs/pwdb-0.62  

Estimated update time: 6 hours, 7 minutes.

All system in 6h? It is something like 120 packages..On 8/24/05, Fernando Meira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I've decided to migrate to gcc-3.4.4, so I've emerged it, and switch
the system to use it instead the previous (gcc-3.3.5-20050130).

After that I am supposed to update my system packages, so when I run
# emerge -va system
I get:
[ebuild  N    ] sys-devel/patch-2.5.9  -build -static 197 kB 
[ebuild  N    ] app-arch/bzip2-1.0.3-r5  -build -static 0 kB 
[ebuild  N    ] app-arch/cpio-2.6-r4  +nls 0 kB 
[ebuild  N    ] sys-apps/texinfo-4.8  -build +nls -static 0 kB 
[ebuild  N    ] dev-lang/tcl-8.4.9  -threads 0 kB 
[ebuild  N    ] sys-devel/gnuconfig-20050324  0 kB 
[ebuild  N    ] sys-libs/readline-5.0-r2  0 kB 
(...)
All with "N"!! I understand that this is not a update.. will the old packages be overwritten?
It doesn't make sense to think that I'll have duplicate apps... but just for being sure.. :)

In the middle of that list are:
[ebuild  N    ] sys-devel/gcc-3.4.4
[ebuild  N    ] sys-devel/gcc-3.3.6

This will compile anew gcc-3.4.4, but this time using the new compiler. That's the point, right?
The old gcc version is still there.. I haven't unmerge it yet, cause I first want to check if all goes fine..

So, should I go ahead..?

Thanks,
Fernando

[gentoo-user] Re: why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[Moshe Kaminsky]

* Fernando Canizo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [24/08/05 14:07]:
> 
> El 24/ago/2005 a las 04:01 -0300, Jonas me decía:
> > >Second, the whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems. Meaning, a
> > >solution not involving the Internet... =)
> > If you're refering to the fact that the person doesn't have an internet 
> > connection when he wants to view this information throught the emerge 
> > interface, then you're wrong. When you want to install or you're just 
> > searching for a package you're using the emerge interface , when you 
> > need more info you have to 1) open your browser 2) type in the url (if 
> > you're lucky you know the url or it's in your browsers cache) 3) search 
> > for the package on the website , while instead you could just do 
> > something like emerge --desc package. Now what's quicker and makes more 
> > sence ?
> 
> Exactly! That's what i'm refering to. It's not an issues of connection it's an
> issue of lazyness! It's like: "-- hey what are you doing this weekend? -- 
> don't
> know, it's cold and raining, i think i'm gonna sit in my throne and check 
> what's
> new on 'app-vim' to improve my vimyness, if find something interesting i'll
> check the package webpage."
> 
> For now i'm using 'questo':
> === script 
> #!/bin/bash
> # lun may  2 20:57:24 ART 2005
> # conan - GPLed
> #
> # script to check for apps on rainy sunday morning
> 
> BASE_DIR="/usr/portage/"
> 
> [ $# -ne 1 ] && echo "Uso: questo " && exit 0
> 
> cd $BASE_DIR$1
> for package in * ; do
>   eix "^$paquete\$"
>   echo "Looking for: $1/$paquete. ENTER to continue..."
>   read
> done
> === end script 
> 
> Now i took sugestion from Ciaran to look in metadata.xml, i check a couple by
> hand and see the 'longdesc' field but... with short descriptions! Now maybe i
> just choose two with bad luck, but i got a feeling that gentoo maintainers
> doesn't like to provide longdesc, although there is the posibility.
> 
> I was thinking of doing a little script that gives longdesc found in metadata 
> to
> confirm this, but since i don't know nothing about xml, think it gonna take a
> little bit more that if there were already an application to check 
> 'metadata.xml'

If you have the XML::Simple perl module (which can be emerged as 
XML-Simple), you can do

perl -MXML::Simple -le 'print XMLin(shift)->{"longdescription"}' 

where  is the metadata.xml file.

However, it appears that this field is not widely supported. Instead, 
you might use something like

lynx -dump -nolist `esearch -o %h `

to dump the homepage of the package as text (of course, you still need 
to be online for that)

Moshe

PS. Sorry if this actually seems on-topic :)



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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

[Markus Döbele]

Sometimes even programming should be allowed to be a bit of fun :-)
And the users profit of it too, because my programs there never hangs 
themselves up!

In the C Version we could always game as far as somebody found the bug. The 
mightiest monster in the Labyrinth :-))


Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 21:11 schrieb Uwe Thiem:
> On 24 August 2005 18:34, A. Khattri wrote:
> > On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Markus [utf-8] Döbele wrote:
> > > The code I think is not the problem. But I think it is still a lot of
> > > work. By the way I don't like C too much (we had a C Version once and
> > > only encountered problems all the time :-( Buffer overflows and all
> > > this nice stuff is a big problem of this language!)
> >
> > You mean it requires understanding pointers and attention to detail?
> >
> > Yes it does.
> >
> > An assembly programmer should find C easy (well I did anyway).
> >
> > > I started as a Assembler Programmer on the Atari ST (68000 Rulez!!!)
> >
> > I started on the 6502, then 68000 then 8086...
>
> Donning my asbestos suit. Cannot resist the flamebait any more. I did
> assembler for 6502, Z80, 8085,... I am talking about real-world, commercial
> software with several MB of assembler source. Like software for driverless
> vehicles buzzing around in real plants among real workers.
>
> That said, once man made fire by twisting a little twig between hands while
> pressing it to some other wood. I prefer matches or a lighter. Even when in
> the bush, I prefer some fire starters I can buy. Man (actually Woman in
> most cases) once carried water in calabashes on their heads for miles on
> end. I prefer pumps and pipes and taps. Programmers once punched their code
> and their data into punchcards, handed them in to the data centre and hoped
> all would go well. I prefer editors, IDEs, compilers and linkers. ;-)
>
> Folks, we have got computing power on our desks that equals that of a
> medium sized data centre 10 years ago. Of course, I want the bloody
> computer and its tools to do all the sidetracking little tasks and
> concentrate myself on algorithms and data structures and user interfaces.
>
> If I could find enough buddies and peers I would do most of my stuff in
> languages like smalltalk that take care of freeing memory, collecting
> garbage and such. Again: That said, I still use C/C++ for most of my stuff.
>
> In short: Don't scuff someone who tries to avoid the pitfalls of C/C++ by
> using a language that does all those little things for them. Sure, I
> wouldn't use any dialect of basic but that is another issue.
>
> Uwe
> (hiding behind his desk)
>
> --
> 95% of all programmers rate themselves among the top 5% of all software
> developers. - Linus Torvalds
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

[Markus Döbele]

You should have a look at purebasic. Inline Assembler is possible here 
too! :-)

You are right C is a lot easier than Assembler.
But Purebasic is a lot easier that C too :-)


Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 19:34 schrieb A. Khattri:
> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Markus [utf-8] Döbele wrote:
> > The code I think is not the problem. But I think it is still a lot of
> > work. By the way I don't like C too much (we had a C Version once and
> > only encountered problems all the time :-( Buffer overflows and all this
> > nice stuff is a big problem of this language!)
>
> You mean it requires understanding pointers and attention to detail?
>
> Yes it does.
>
> An assembly programmer should find C easy (well I did anyway).
>
> > I started as a Assembler Programmer on the Atari ST (68000 Rulez!!!)
>
> I started on the 6502, then 68000 then 8086...
>
> > But all this is too much effort. Purebasic has a very syntax and for a
> > basic dialect a very good performance.
>
> Shame BBC Basic isn't around anymore - it allowed you to mix assembler and
> BASIC (and that basic at the time was one of the few that allowed
> recursion ;-)
>
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

[Markus Döbele]

I would say writing a game with a scripting language is not possible.
Or is there any?  Are our machines today powerful enough for that? 

Java totally sucks! The licence of sun is horrible! And its awfully slow.

So I am running short in options...


Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 14:22 schrieb Matan Peled:
> Markus Döbele wrote:
> > The code I think is not the problem. But I think it is still a lot of
> > work. By the way I don't like C too much (we had a C Version once and
> > only encountered problems all the time :-( Buffer overflows and all this
> > nice stuff is a big problem of this language!)
> >
> > Maybe a C Fan is reading this and likes to do it.
> >
> > I started as a Assembler Programmer on the Atari ST (68000 Rulez!!!)
> > But all this is too much effort. Purebasic has a very syntax and for a
> > basic dialect a very good performance.
>
> Well, the code IS the problem. As you see, Nick Rout has already made an
> ebuild, but the code is a real problem.
>
> Lets deal with the most obvious problem with not being able to compile your
> sourcecode - Archs different than x86. PureBasic seems to be able to
> compile for Windows, AmigaOS, and Linux/x86. What about Linux/PPC (Linux on
> Apple) users? Theres quite a few of them. They can't run your game without
> an emulator...
>
> Yes, is pretty low-level, and you have to take care of your own memory...
> But coming from an assembler you should be used to this, right?
>
> Anyway, I can perfectly understand your aversion from C...
>
> The "best" languages to write a cross-platform application with are (I'm
> probably going to get flamed missing some, but anyway) C, C++, Java,
> Python, and Perl.
>
> Ruling out C (you don't like it), C++ (Too much like C, and we don't need
> OO anyway), Java (Too bloody slow), we are left with the interpreted
> languages, Python and Perl.
>
> I would suggest Python, as it has a very nice syntax and is quite easy to
> pick up. Its slower than asm/c, but it may be faster than you expect.
>
> Overall, I suggest using C and SDL, coupled with a good debugger (gdb is
> good, and I hear valgrind is bloody awesome for memory related issues), but
> if you decide you don't want it, Python is good too.
>
> Binary packages are fine, but generally considered to be evil.
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] /home becoming readonly every night

[cafairle]

Whats your line in fstab for /home?

It does sound cron-job like. Installed a cron daemon recently? Check
/etc/cron.daily or crontab -l

Does ownership change? Permissions? 

Cheers,
Chris

Quoting Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> For somewhere between 3 days and a week I have been rising to find
> that /home has become readonly overnight.
> 
> Basically I have to shut down X, manually kill all processes
> accessing /home and then run
> 
> umount /home
> mount /home
> 
> which fixes it until tomorrow morning.
> 
> I also tried mount /home -o remount,rw 
> 
> but was told that /dev/hdb1 was readonly - but it has the same
> permissions as /dev/hda1.
> 
> Any clues as to where to from here? I cannot even seem to isolate what
> time this is happening.
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> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

[Markus Döbele]

It generates Assembler code.
When you use the -c parameter you can have a look at the generated code.
You always need fasm to compile your program.


Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 11:30 schrieb Frank Schafer:
> further questions / info.
>
> Seems PureBasic is a direct dependency for all programs "compiled" with
> it. They will probably use the shared library which comes with
> PureBasic.
>
> I wonder ...
> There is a static library amongst the PureBasic binary too. Maybe
> PureBasic "compiles" the way VisualBasic up to version 5 did. Making a
> data block from the source leaving the source itself intact, linking a
> library with a small starting code (the interpreter) letting the
> executable interpreting the data block inside itself.
>
> ... that would stand for real speed ... interpreting ...
>
>
> Further 0,02$
> Frank
>
> On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:25 +0200, Frank Schafer wrote:
> > right, and that means we have to study PB's syntax ... what I'm doing
> > just now if I have some time.
> >
> > PB itself is probably written in C. A compiler with less than 140kB IMHO
> > isn't written in C++.
> >
> > BTW: Have a look at ``strings pbcompiler | more''!
> > It's VEERY interesting. Seems pbcompiler simply maps BASIC
> > instructions to assembler mnemonics.
> >
> > :-)))
> >
> > On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 11:09 +0300, Matan Peled wrote:
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> > >
> > > Frank Schafer wrote:
> > > > I think SDL has an API, don't you think too?
> > > > ;)
> > >
> > > Well, of course. But it wasn't used before, rather PureBasic's one was
> > > used.
> > >
> > > Now we need to use that API (Thats what I meant by "Talking to SDL"...)
> > >
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

[Markus Döbele]

Yes purebasic is generating assembler code out of its commands.
Anders Anderson did the assembler stuff.

And he did a quite good job I think :-)


Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 10:25 schrieb Frank Schafer:
> right, and that means we have to study PB's syntax ... what I'm doing
> just now if I have some time.
>
> PB itself is probably written in C. A compiler with less than 140kB IMHO
> isn't written in C++.
>
> BTW: Have a look at ``strings pbcompiler | more''!
> It's VEERY interesting. Seems pbcompiler simply maps BASIC
> instructions to assembler mnemonics.
>
> :-)))
>
> On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 11:09 +0300, Matan Peled wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > Frank Schafer wrote:
> > > I think SDL has an API, don't you think too?
> > > ;)
> >
> > Well, of course. But it wasn't used before, rather PureBasic's one was
> > used.
> >
> > Now we need to use that API (Thats what I meant by "Talking to SDL"...)
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Re: [gentoo-user] /home becoming readonly every night

[John Jolet]

sounds like a cron job
On Wednesday 24 August 2005 14:59, Nick Rout wrote:
> For somewhere between 3 days and a week I have been rising to find
> that /home has become readonly overnight.
>
> Basically I have to shut down X, manually kill all processes
> accessing /home and then run
>
> umount /home
> mount /home
>
> which fixes it until tomorrow morning.
>
> I also tried mount /home -o remount,rw
>
> but was told that /dev/hdb1 was readonly - but it has the same
> permissions as /dev/hda1.
>
> Any clues as to where to from here? I cannot even seem to isolate what
> time this is happening.
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[gentoo-user] /home becoming readonly every night

[Nick Rout]

For somewhere between 3 days and a week I have been rising to find
that /home has become readonly overnight.

Basically I have to shut down X, manually kill all processes
accessing /home and then run

umount /home
mount /home

which fixes it until tomorrow morning.

I also tried mount /home -o remount,rw 

but was told that /dev/hdb1 was readonly - but it has the same
permissions as /dev/hda1.

Any clues as to where to from here? I cannot even seem to isolate what
time this is happening.
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[gentoo-user] migrating to gcc-3.4.4

[Fernando Meira]

I've decided to migrate to gcc-3.4.4, so I've emerged it, and switch
the system to use it instead the previous (gcc-3.3.5-20050130).

After that I am supposed to update my system packages, so when I run
# emerge -va system
I get:
[ebuild  N    ] sys-devel/patch-2.5.9  -build -static 197 kB 
[ebuild  N    ] app-arch/bzip2-1.0.3-r5  -build -static 0 kB 
[ebuild  N    ] app-arch/cpio-2.6-r4  +nls 0 kB 
[ebuild  N    ] sys-apps/texinfo-4.8  -build +nls -static 0 kB 
[ebuild  N    ] dev-lang/tcl-8.4.9  -threads 0 kB 
[ebuild  N    ] sys-devel/gnuconfig-20050324  0 kB 
[ebuild  N    ] sys-libs/readline-5.0-r2  0 kB 
(...)
All with "N"!! I understand that this is not a update.. will the old packages be overwritten?
It doesn't make sense to think that I'll have duplicate apps... but just for being sure.. :)

In the middle of that list are:
[ebuild  N    ] sys-devel/gcc-3.4.4
[ebuild  N    ] sys-devel/gcc-3.3.6

This will compile anew gcc-3.4.4, but this time using the new compiler. That's the point, right?
The old gcc version is still there.. I haven't unmerge it yet, cause I first want to check if all goes fine..

So, should I go ahead..?

Thanks,
Fernando

Re: [gentoo-user] stage files

[John Jolet]

That's what I was thinkingif you follow the handbook, but just substitute 
your stage file for the official one, then skip the kernel building and such, 
and in fact, the grub.conf file would be in the stageyou'd just have to 
do the grub install.  these are all IDENTICAL systems, so this should work.  
I'm looking into the partimage right now, but I think having the raw stuff in 
a tar file we could make a few changes without having to re-image the golden 
client.  my boss might like that ability (he has it now with his redhat 
stuff).

On Wednesday 24 August 2005 14:13, Michael Crute wrote:
> On 8/24/05, John Jolet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I saw that and it's on my list of things to try, but I need to have this
> > up
> > and running by saturday. That seemed like a great thing, but maybe less
> > simple than just tarring up the package. I definately think something
> > like that going forward would be perfect, but is there a simpler
> > short-term solution? I'll go down the partimage path as well right now,
> > though.
> >
> > On Wednesday 24 August 2005 13:57, Michael Crute wrote:
> > > On 8/24/05, John Jolet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Can someone point me to a reference that explains how to make your
> > > > own stage files? It seemed to me that the stage3 stage file was
> > > > pretty much a bzipped tar file of an installed system. Is this
> > > > correct, or is there more to it? I've got a working system that I
> > > > now need to replicate exactly across 13 more. I was thinking just
> > > > tar up the install and use it as a stage file in the normal install.
> > > > Is this naive?
> > > > --
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> > >
> > > I think what you want is partimage (http://www.partimage.org/).
> > >
> > > -Mike
> >
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> I don't see why you wouldn't be able to `tar -cjvf --preserve-permissions
> --recursion mystage.tbz2 /`. Test it out with one machine first but I think
> that should create your "stage" you will still have to install GRUB or LILO
> though, everything else should be the same. Also make sure you use -xvjpf
> when you extract it so it retains the file permissions. Let me know if this
> works as I am in need of the same type of system.
>
> -Mike

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Re: [gentoo-user] stage files

[Michael Crute]

On 8/24/05, John Jolet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I saw that and it's on my list of things to try, but I need to have this upand running by saturday.  That seemed like a great thing, but maybe lesssimple than just tarring up the package.  I definately think something like
that going forward would be perfect, but is there a simpler short-termsolution?  I'll go down the partimage path as well right now, though.On Wednesday 24 August 2005 13:57, Michael Crute wrote:> On 8/24/05, John Jolet <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Can someone point me to a reference that explains how to make your> > own stage files? It seemed to me that the stage3 stage file was
> > pretty much a bzipped tar file of an installed system. Is this> > correct, or is there more to it? I've got a working system that I> > now need to replicate exactly across 13 more. I was thinking just
> > tar up the install and use it as a stage file in the normal install.> > Is this naive?> > --> > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
>> I think what you want is partimage (http://www.partimage.org/).>> -Mike--John JoletYour On-Demand IT Department512-762-0729
www.jolet.net[EMAIL PROTECTED]--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing listI
don't see why you wouldn't be able to `tar -cjvf --preserve-permissions
--recursion mystage.tbz2 /`. Test it out with one machine first but I
think that should create your "stage" you will still have to install
GRUB or LILO though, everything else should be the same. Also make sure
you use -xvjpf when you extract it so it retains the file permissions.
Let me know if this works as I am in need of the same type of system.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

[Uwe Thiem]

On 24 August 2005 18:34, A. Khattri wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Markus [utf-8] Döbele wrote:
> > The code I think is not the problem. But I think it is still a lot of
> > work. By the way I don't like C too much (we had a C Version once and
> > only encountered problems all the time :-( Buffer overflows and all this
> > nice stuff is a big problem of this language!)
>
> You mean it requires understanding pointers and attention to detail?
>
> Yes it does.
>
> An assembly programmer should find C easy (well I did anyway).
>
> > I started as a Assembler Programmer on the Atari ST (68000 Rulez!!!)
>
> I started on the 6502, then 68000 then 8086...

Donning my asbestos suit. Cannot resist the flamebait any more. I did 
assembler for 6502, Z80, 8085,... I am talking about real-world, commercial 
software with several MB of assembler source. Like software for driverless 
vehicles buzzing around in real plants among real workers.

That said, once man made fire by twisting a little twig between hands while 
pressing it to some other wood. I prefer matches or a lighter. Even when in 
the bush, I prefer some fire starters I can buy. Man (actually Woman in most 
cases) once carried water in calabashes on their heads for miles on end. I 
prefer pumps and pipes and taps. Programmers once punched their code and 
their data into punchcards, handed them in to the data centre and hoped all 
would go well. I prefer editors, IDEs, compilers and linkers. ;-)

Folks, we have got computing power on our desks that equals that of a medium 
sized data centre 10 years ago. Of course, I want the bloody computer and its 
tools to do all the sidetracking little tasks and concentrate myself on 
algorithms and data structures and user interfaces.

If I could find enough buddies and peers I would do most of my stuff in 
languages like smalltalk that take care of freeing memory, collecting garbage 
and such. Again: That said, I still use C/C++ for most of my stuff.

In short: Don't scuff someone who tries to avoid the pitfalls of C/C++ by 
using a language that does all those little things for them. Sure, I wouldn't 
use any dialect of basic but that is another issue.

Uwe
(hiding behind his desk)

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Re: [gentoo-user] stage files

[John Jolet]

My apologies...on second look, this is very close to what I'm looking for, at 
least for the short term.

On Wednesday 24 August 2005 13:57, Michael Crute wrote:
> On 8/24/05, John Jolet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Can someone point me to a reference that explains how to make your
> > own stage files? It seemed to me that the stage3 stage file was
> > pretty much a bzipped tar file of an installed system. Is this
> > correct, or is there more to it? I've got a working system that I
> > now need to replicate exactly across 13 more. I was thinking just
> > tar up the install and use it as a stage file in the normal install.
> > Is this naive?
> > --
> > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
>
> I think what you want is partimage (http://www.partimage.org/).
>
> -Mike

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Re: [gentoo-user] stage files

[John Jolet]

I saw that and it's on my list of things to try, but I need to have this up 
and running by saturday.  That seemed like a great thing, but maybe less 
simple than just tarring up the package.  I definately think something like 
that going forward would be perfect, but is there a simpler short-term 
solution?  I'll go down the partimage path as well right now, though.

On Wednesday 24 August 2005 13:57, Michael Crute wrote:
> On 8/24/05, John Jolet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Can someone point me to a reference that explains how to make your
> > own stage files? It seemed to me that the stage3 stage file was
> > pretty much a bzipped tar file of an installed system. Is this
> > correct, or is there more to it? I've got a working system that I
> > now need to replicate exactly across 13 more. I was thinking just
> > tar up the install and use it as a stage file in the normal install.
> > Is this naive?
> > --
> > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
>
> I think what you want is partimage (http://www.partimage.org/).
>
> -Mike

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Re: [gentoo-user] stage files

[Michael Crute]

On 8/24/05, John Jolet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Can someone point me to a reference that explains how to make yourown stage files?  It seemed to me that the stage3 stage file waspretty much a bzipped tar file of an installed system.  Is thiscorrect, or is there more to it?  I've got a working system that I
now need to replicate exactly across 13 more.  I was thinking justtar up the install and use it as a stage file in the normal install.Is this naive?--gentoo-user@gentoo.org
 mailing listI think what you want is partimage (http://www.partimage.org/).

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Re: [gentoo-user] mail in $HOME/.maildir, why ???

[Jarry]

Neil Bothwick wrote:


You can have maildir and still keep your mail in /var/spool/mail. In this
case, each user has a directory in /var/spool/mail.
Are you using procmail for delivery? If so, you need 
MAILDIR=/var/spool/mail

DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/$LOGNAME/
at the top of /etc/procmailrc


Hm, that sounds interesting. I really want to have mails on a separate
partition. Thanks for the tip, I will have a look at it...

Jarry
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[gentoo-user] stage files

[John Jolet]

Can someone point me to a reference that explains how to make your  
own stage files?  It seemed to me that the stage3 stage file was  
pretty much a bzipped tar file of an installed system.  Is this  
correct, or is there more to it?  I've got a working system that I  
now need to replicate exactly across 13 more.  I was thinking just  
tar up the install and use it as a stage file in the normal install.   
Is this naive?

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Re: [gentoo-user] what must be writable by portage

[A. Khattri]

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Konstantinos Agouros wrote:

> I have a number of gentoo systems and have a central /usr/portage that's
> share by nfs. There are also binary packages that are shared and available
> for all. The nfs-exports are read-only
> If I set up a new machine and it only has read-only access from the be-
> ginning I have no problems. However recently a machine was added that
> was set up by itself and that one falls with read-only access on its face
> when I try to emerge something. Mostly in the fixpackages part.
>
> What do I need to reset to make this work more smoothly?

Maybe this will help:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Using_a_shared_portage_via_NFS


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Re: [gentoo-user] what must be writable by portage

[A. Khattri]

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Konstantinos Agouros wrote:

> I have a number of gentoo systems and have a central /usr/portage that's
> share by nfs. There are also binary packages that are shared and available
> for all. The nfs-exports are read-only
> If I set up a new machine and it only has read-only access from the be-
> ginning I have no problems. However recently a machine was added that
> was set up by itself and that one falls with read-only access on its face
> when I try to emerge something. Mostly in the fixpackages part.
>
> What do I need to reset to make this work more smoothly?

Maybe the fact that the export is read-only?

Im sure fixpackages will want to write to files under portage

What do the errors say?


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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[Michael Crute]

On 8/24/05, Matan Peled <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-Hash: SHA1Michael Crute wrote:>> On 8/24/05, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga>> <

[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:>>> You know bud, read some rules, be polite.>> There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest
>> thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but>> not by much.> > Right... guess this is my cue to shamefacedly tuck my tail between my

> legs and go have a nice tasty crow sandwich. Sorry guys, I will be more> polite next time.> >> Also to clarify when I said metadata I was (mistakenly) talking about> the "metadata" in the ebuilds. Again, my mistake.
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gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing listSigh...
no indeed I did not use HTML with any kind of funky quoting. The
message is encoded as multipart/alternative. There is a plain text
section and an HTML section. Configure your email client properly to
read whichever you want. It's the way Gmail does it, I use Gmail, I am
not going to turn off all the features in Gmail to appease the gods
that be on this list so just lay off or go yell at the dozens of other
people that commit these "heinous" crimes every day on this list.

For the love of Pete people stop hijacking threads to flame people. If
you don't like what someone is doing tell them personally (or better
yet ignore them), no need to reply to the list with your personal
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[gentoo-user] what must be writable by portage

[Konstantinos Agouros]

Hello,

I have a number of gentoo systems and have a central /usr/portage that's
share by nfs. There are also binary packages that are shared and available
for all. The nfs-exports are read-only
If I set up a new machine and it only has read-only access from the be-
ginning I have no problems. However recently a machine was added that
was set up by itself and that one falls with read-only access on its face
when I try to emerge something. Mostly in the fixpackages part.

What do I need to reset to make this work more smoothly?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

[A. Khattri]

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Markus [utf-8] Döbele wrote:

> The code I think is not the problem. But I think it is still a lot of work.
> By the way I don't like C too much (we had a C Version once and only
> encountered problems all the time :-( Buffer overflows and all this nice
> stuff is a big problem of this language!)

You mean it requires understanding pointers and attention to detail?

Yes it does.

An assembly programmer should find C easy (well I did anyway).

> I started as a Assembler Programmer on the Atari ST (68000 Rulez!!!)

I started on the 6502, then 68000 then 8086...

> But all this is too much effort. Purebasic has a very syntax and for a basic
> dialect a very good performance.

Shame BBC Basic isn't around anymore - it allowed you to mix assembler and
BASIC (and that basic at the time was one of the few that allowed
recursion ;-)


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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

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>> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>>> You know bud, read some rules, be polite.
>> There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest
>> thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but
>> not by much.

> 
> Right... guess this is my cue to shamefacedly tuck my tail between my
> legs and go have a nice tasty crow sandwich. Sorry guys, I will be more
> polite next time.
> 
> 
> Also to clarify when I said metadata I was (mistakenly) talking about
> the "metadata" in the ebuilds. Again, my mistake.

Ah, how ironic... Of course any reply to that message _HAD_ to be an HTML email
(and a screwy one at that, with really weird quoting...)

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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[Michael Crute]

On 8/24/05, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:| You know bud, read some rules, be polite.There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest
thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, butnot by much.--Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron)Mail: ciaranm at 
gentoo.orgWeb : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm
Right... guess this is my cue to shamefacedly tuck my tail between my
legs and go have a nice tasty crow sandwich. Sorry guys, I will be more
polite next time.

Also to clarify when I said metadata I was (mistakenly) talking about the "metadata" in the ebuilds. Again, my mistake.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Evolution 2.2.3 Filtering Time (Too Long!)

[fire-eyes]

On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 09:06 +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote:
> 3. use a compound filter rather than separate ones (this assumes there
> is less overhead doing this - subjectively it does seem quicker)

Thanks for the tips. The above one is the only one I don't really
understand, can you elaborate a bit?

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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc seg faults very often

[Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales]

No, the memory is wasted. :(

2005/8/24, Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I'll test the memory chip on another computer and see if it works...
> 
> 2005/8/23, Volker Armin Hemmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > On Wednesday 24 August 2005 02:16, Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales
> > wrote:
> > > Yes, I found a kernel patch that does that. It allocates all the bad
> > > memory sectors in kernel space permanetely, so they can't be used.
> > > But, I found it too late. The memory is so bad now that it doesn't
> > > even tries to boot. It just stops after detecting all IDE devices.
> > > Gonna have to buy new memory boards...
> > >
> >
> > when your ram becomes worse in some few days, there is a great chance, that
> > not the ram, but the PSU is the culprit.
> >
> > When a PSU is becoming weak, it is not able to hold the voltages at 
> > sufficient
> > levels - lockups and ram-errors are then common problems.
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Re: [gentoo-user] About firefox

[Luigi Pinna]

Alle 03:48, mercoledì 24 agosto 2005, Holly Bostick ha scritto:

> /opt/firefox/plugins??? How did you install Firefox? Does the -bin
> ebuild install to /opt (I compile mine)? Even so, it seems weird that
> the -bin ebuild would have a completely different filetree from the
> compiled version... the only way I know (unless the -bin ebuild does
> install to /opt) to install Firefox to /opt (under Gentoo) is to use
> the Linux installer on the Mozilla site.

I installed firefox from portage, but I have 2 versions: precompiled and 
compiled.
The problem is that flash plug-in doesn't work in 64 bit mode (I have a 
amd64) and I must install a 32 bit version to use it.

> Firefox isn't looking in /opt/firefox/plugins for its plugins,
> apparently, or is unable to use what it finds there. Why, I don't
> know. Where it is in fact looking, I also don't know... but on my
> system, the mplayer plugin is installed in 2 places:
>
> /opt/netscape/plugins (which is probably a deprecated holdover from a
> previous version of something else, something old and not-too-bright)
>
> /usr/lib/nsbrowser/plugins
> (this folder is symlinked to /usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/plugins)
>
> You might try the following two commands to see if there are other
> directories that Firefox might be searching:
>
> locate firefox/plugins
> locate Firefox/plugins

Cinzia ~ # locate firefox/plugins
/opt/firefox/plugins
/opt/firefox/plugins/libnullplugin.so
/opt/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.so
/opt/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.xpt
/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libnullplugin.so
/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.so
/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.xpt
Cinzia ~ # locate Firefox/plugins
/usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/plugins
Cinzia ~ # ll /usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/plugins
 /usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/plugins -> /usr/lib64/nsbrowser/plugins


> Alternatively, what are the permissions on the plugin files you
> copied? It's possible that the user trying to run them doesn't have
> permissions to read the files-- i.e., root copied them to opt, but
> the regular user is an "other" (neither root nor a member of the
> group owning the files), and does not have the necessary permission
> to read the file when Firefox is opened and attempts to read the
> plugin files. Additionally, it's possible that the user only has
> permission to read the plugin, and needs read-write (my plugin is
> rwx-rwx-rwx, and I'm pretty sure I never touched them; I wasn't even
> aware of /usr/lib/nsbrowser until I started investigating this just
> now).

> Holly
I did the chmod 777 /opt/netscape/plugins/mplayerplug-in.* because:
ll /usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.*
/usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.so 
-> /opt/netscape/plugins/mplayerplug-in.so
/usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.xpt 
-> /opt/netscape/plugins/mplayerplug-in.xpt

but it doesn't solve the problem!
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Re: [gentoo-user] mail in $HOME/.maildir, why ???

[Neil Bothwick]

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:28:08 +0200, Jarry wrote:

> > It's called the "maildir" mail storage format. I find it very useful, 
> 
> Personally I do not see any advantage of it over /var/spool/mail.
> On the other side, separate partitions for /var (with mail) and /home
> (with user files) let me define different quotas for mail and files.
> Well, at least I thought it, until I found out that mail is actually
> in /home too...

You can have maildir and still keep your mail in /var/spool/mail. In this
case, each user has a directory in /var/spool/mail.

Are you using procmail for delivery? If so, you need 

MAILDIR=/var/spool/mail
DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/$LOGNAME/

at the top of /etc/procmailrc


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Teach him to use the Net and he won't bother you for weeks.


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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[Ciaran McCreesh]

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| You know bud, read some rules, be polite.

There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest
thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but
not by much.

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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[David Morgan]

On 11:57 Wed 24 Aug , Daniel da Veiga wrote:
> You know bud, read some rules, be polite.
> 
> "If you have nothing good to say, say NOTHING!".
> 
> Do you really THINK before replying? Have you added something to the
> question? Care more about WHAT people write than WHERE is it written,
> you'll be more happy. Comments like yours are good for old usenet
> users, and pointless today.
> 

I told him how to stop top posting though. I also told him that some of
the information he had given was incorrect. I was just dumbfounded by
his stupidity, sorry.

> To the point, I never really had to read long descs provided at the
> website to have a good glance on what the program is, the fact that
> the desc showed in emerge -s is short doesn't make it less clear, in
> fact, it has all that matters. People searching with emerge usually
> KNOW what they're looking for.
> 

Some of them are better/clearer/more informative than others, but I
guess that that's a separate issue.

> On the other hand, it wouldn't hurt to have a long description of the
> app somewhere available offline (like the universal CD, for example).
> I'm pretty sure they can use the same system of the website to provide
> this offline (but is it worth the trouble?).
> 

The ones that are available are available 'offline' (i.e. in the portage
tree), as stated earlier in this thread. 

Dave

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Re: [gentoo-user] very OT (was: why gentoo doesn't have long description?)

[Christoph Gysin]

Daniel da Veiga wrote:

You know bud, read some rules, be polite.

"If you have nothing good to say, say NOTHING!".

Do you really THINK before replying? Have you added something to the
question? Care more about WHAT people write than WHERE is it written,
you'll be more happy. Comments like yours are good for old usenet
users, and pointless today.


Please stop that. All of you.

- You shall not top-post.
- You shall not yell at people caught top-posting.
- You shall not yell at people yelling at people caught top-posting.
- ...

If you don't want to receive mail from certain people, have a look at 
/usr/portage/mail-filter. But do not flood the list with rants about other users...


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[gentoo-user] /dev read,write problem

[Jonas Geiregat]

When I startup my system I need to loing as root and run chmod a+rw 
/dev/* else I have problems login in or starting multiple shells I'm 
using udev anyone got any idea what could cause the problem ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[Jonas Geiregat]

Michael Crute wrote:

First of all, sorry about top posting that's the way Gmail does it and 
you cant change the settings.


Also if you are looking for a lazy man's way of getting a package 
description try `emerge -s packagename` and it prints out a lot of 
information as well as a short description of the package. I have 
never seen a long description such as those used to build Debian 
packages anywhere in portage and don't really think it would be useful 
anyhow. So try emerge -s and if you need more info go to the packae's 
website. That would be my advice. Oh, and emerge -s works off the 
metadata so you dint need an Internet connection.



Please stay on topic , that's for all of you !
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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[Jonas Geiregat]

Fernando Canizo wrote:


El 24/ago/2005 a las 04:01 -0300, Jonas me decía:
 


Second, the whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems. Meaning, a
solution not involving the Internet... =)
 

If you're refering to the fact that the person doesn't have an internet 
connection when he wants to view this information throught the emerge 
interface, then you're wrong. When you want to install or you're just 
searching for a package you're using the emerge interface , when you 
need more info you have to 1) open your browser 2) type in the url (if 
you're lucky you know the url or it's in your browsers cache) 3) search 
for the package on the website , while instead you could just do 
something like emerge --desc package. Now what's quicker and makes more 
sence ?
   



Exactly! That's what i'm refering to. It's not an issues of connection it's an
issue of lazyness! It's like: "-- hey what are you doing this weekend? -- don't
know, it's cold and raining, i think i'm gonna sit in my throne and check what's
new on 'app-vim' to improve my vimyness, if find something interesting i'll
check the package webpage."

 


What kind of a computer user are you ?
Really what a stupid remark , kinda foolish to say it's a bad idea to 
implement this feature just because there are other slower less direct 
methods for accomplishing a task !


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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[Daniel da Veiga]

You know bud, read some rules, be polite.

"If you have nothing good to say, say NOTHING!".

Do you really THINK before replying? Have you added something to the
question? Care more about WHAT people write than WHERE is it written,
you'll be more happy. Comments like yours are good for old usenet
users, and pointless today.

On 8/24/05, David Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 8/24/05, Michael Crute <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > First of all, sorry about top posting that's the way Gmail does it and you
> > cant change the settings.
> >
> 
> S**t, look at this. I'm using gmail and not top posting.
> 
> Just how stupid are you that you can't move the cursor to the bottom
> of the message?
> 
> > Also if you are looking for a lazy man's way of getting a package 
> > description try `emerge > -s packagename` and it prints out a lot of 
> > information as well as a short description of the > package. I have never 
> > seen a long description such as those used to build Debian
> > packages anywhere in portage and don't really think it would be useful 
> > anyhow. So try
> > emerge -s and if you need more info go to the packae's website. That would 
> > be my
> > advice. Oh, and emerge -s works off the metadata so you dint need an 
> > Internet
> > connection.
> 
> How completely pointless. The OP knows about emerge -s and he knows he
> can look at the package's website.
> 
> Even worse, you're wrong. emerge -s doesn't look in metadata.xml, it
> gets the information from the ebuild.
> 
> Dave
> 

To the point, I never really had to read long descs provided at the
website to have a good glance on what the program is, the fact that
the desc showed in emerge -s is short doesn't make it less clear, in
fact, it has all that matters. People searching with emerge usually
KNOW what they're looking for.

On the other hand, it wouldn't hurt to have a long description of the
app somewhere available offline (like the universal CD, for example).
I'm pretty sure they can use the same system of the website to provide
this offline (but is it worth the trouble?).

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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[David Morgan]

On 10:39 Wed 24 Aug , Michael Crute wrote:
> Hey buddy go troll on somebody else's thread.
> 
> -Mike

Seriously, just press the down key a few times before you start typing.

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Re: [gentoo-user] mail in $HOME/.maildir, why ???

[Christoph Gysin]

Michael Kintzios wrote:

Could you please share any other benefits/disbenefits of the two
formats?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maildir
http://www.qmail.org/man/man5/maildir.html
http://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html
http://www.courier-mta.org/mbox-vs-maildir/#theend

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Re: [gentoo-user] mail in $HOME/.maildir, why ???

[A. Khattri]

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Jarry wrote:

> Personally I do not see any advantage of it over /var/spool/mail.
> On the other side, separate partitions for /var (with mail) and /home
> (with user files) let me define different quotas for mail and files.
> Well, at least I thought it, until I found out that mail is actually
> in /home too...

There have been many discussions for years about how maildir is superior
to mbox format... Im sure Google will help you find them.

> Not for me, but for my users. Now I have to go through each mailreader
> and find out how to force it reading mails from .maildir

There is probably a global config file for most mailers.

> BTW, if some users do not have $HOME, where their .maildir will be???

Not all email systems use /var/mail or $HOME, qmail+vpopmail stores email
for everyone under /home/vpopmail/domains for example.

> > You could add mbox to your useflags and emerge sendmail. If you *really*
> > want to use mbox...
>
> That seem to me to be much easier. First I will find some info about it,
> but if there is no substantial advantage in using maildirs instead of
> /var/sool/mail, I will switch to the "old" mail storage system...

We had all sorts of performance problems with mbox format - it is not
scaleable, bigger mboxes produce huge loads on the server. I should also
mention that maildir is inherently safer over NFS than mbox.

Its clear from your posting that you have yet to experience the problems
that have caused a lot of server administrators to abandon mbox format.


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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[Michael Crute]

Hey buddy go troll on somebody else's thread.

-MikeOn 8/24/05, David Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 8/24/05, Michael Crute <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> First of all, sorry about top posting that's the way Gmail does it and you> cant change the settings.>
S**t, look at this. I'm using gmail and not top posting.Just how stupid are you that you can't move the cursor to the bottomof the message?>
Also if you are looking for a lazy man's way of getting a package
description try `emerge > -s packagename` and it prints out a lot of
information as well as a short description of the > package. I have
never seen a long description such as those used to build Debian> packages anywhere in portage and don't really think it would be useful anyhow. So try> emerge -s and if you need more info go to the packae's website. That would be my
> advice. Oh, and emerge -s works off the metadata so you dint need an Internet> connection.How completely pointless. The OP knows about emerge -s and he knows hecan look at the package's website.
Even worse, you're wrong. emerge -s doesn't look in metadata.xml, itgets the information from the ebuild.Dave--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strange udev Error on boot

[Ryan Viljoen]

Yeah *blush* in a moments stupidity it would seem that I had compiled
it into the kernel. As for suspecting it was udev well that was a wild
guess as well as seeing the dev part and the errors occuring after it
was started hehe. Anyway I have recompiled the kernel with it removed
and its all sorted now.

Anyway not my proudest moment.

Thanks
Alvin

On 8/24/05, Alvin A ONeal Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ryan,
> 
> Looks like you're using Network Block Devices? Did you mean to do this?
> If you did, then perhaps the machines which host the nbds are not ready?
> 
> I don't know much about nbd, just the name really, but that would be my
> best guess.
> 
> --
> 8^)
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> ~Alvin
> http://CoolAJ86.Havenite.net
> 
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> All rights reversed - SlickC92 & CoolAJ86
> 
> 
> 


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RE: [gentoo-user] mail in $HOME/.maildir, why ???

[Michael Kintzios]

> -Original Message-
> From: Christoph Gysin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 24 August 2005 15:00
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] mail in $HOME/.maildir, why ???
> 
> 
> Jarry wrote:
> > I'm using sendmail as my mail-server, and I noticed, that mail for
> > users is stored in $HOME/.maildir, not in /var/spool/mail.
> > And each mail is stored as separate file, not all in one file.
> > WHY???
> 
> It's called the "maildir" mail storage format. I find it very 
> useful, especially 
> with big mailboxes...

[snip]
> You could add mbox to your useflags and emerge sendmail. If 
> you *really* want to 
> use mbox...

Could you please share any other benefits/disbenefits of the two
formats?
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Re: [gentoo-user] mail in $HOME/.maildir, why ???

[Jarry]

Christoph Gysin wrote:

It's called the "maildir" mail storage format. I find it very useful, 


Personally I do not see any advantage of it over /var/spool/mail.
On the other side, separate partitions for /var (with mail) and /home
(with user files) let me define different quotas for mail and files.
Well, at least I thought it, until I found out that mail is actually
in /home too...

Your mailreader must support maildir to read mails from it, of course. 
But yours seems to do it (with -f), so that's not really a problem, is it?


Not for me, but for my users. Now I have to go through each mailreader
and find out how to force it reading mails from .maildir


normally your /home isn't that small, so that shouldn't be a problem


I have a users, which do not have access to the server so I did not
plan any diskspace in /home for them. Instead of that, /var is much
bigger because I expected all mail to be stored there...

BTW, if some users do not have $HOME, where their .maildir will be???


Again, use a pop3 server which supports maildir, and everything is fine.


I must look for one or to find how to force my pop3-server to use
maildir...

You could add mbox to your useflags and emerge sendmail. If you *really* 
want to use mbox...


That seem to me to be much easier. First I will find some info about it,
but if there is no substantial advantage in using maildirs instead of
/var/sool/mail, I will switch to the "old" mail storage system...

Thanks,

Jarry

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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[David Morgan]

On 8/24/05, Michael Crute <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> First of all, sorry about top posting that's the way Gmail does it and you
> cant change the settings. 
>  

S**t, look at this. I'm using gmail and not top posting.

Just how stupid are you that you can't move the cursor to the bottom
of the message?

> Also if you are looking for a lazy man's way of getting a package description 
> try `emerge > -s packagename` and it prints out a lot of information as well 
> as a short description of the > package. I have never seen a long description 
> such as those used to build Debian  
> packages anywhere in portage and don't really think it would be useful 
> anyhow. So try 
> emerge -s and if you need more info go to the packae's website. That would be 
> my 
> advice. Oh, and emerge -s works off the metadata so you dint need an Internet 
> connection.

How completely pointless. The OP knows about emerge -s and he knows he
can look at the package's website.

Even worse, you're wrong. emerge -s doesn't look in metadata.xml, it
gets the information from the ebuild.

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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[Michael Crute]

First of all, sorry about top posting that's the way Gmail does it and you cant change the settings. 

Also if you are looking for a lazy man's way of getting a package
description try `emerge -s packagename` and it prints out a lot of
information as well as a short description of the package. I have never
seen a long description such as those used to build Debian packages
anywhere in portage and don't really think it would be useful anyhow.
So try emerge -s and if you need more info go to the packae's website.
That would be my advice. Oh, and emerge -s works off the metadata so
you dint need an Internet connection.

-Mike. On 8/24/05, Fernando Canizo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
El 24/ago/2005 a las 04:01 -0300, Jonas me decía:> >Second, the whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems. Meaning, a> >solution not involving the Internet... =)> If you're refering to the fact that the person doesn't have an internet
> connection when he wants to view this information throught the emerge> interface, then you're wrong. When you want to install or you're just> searching for a package you're using the emerge interface , when you
> need more info you have to 1) open your browser 2) type in the url (if> you're lucky you know the url or it's in your browsers cache) 3) search> for the package on the website , while instead you could just do
> something like emerge --desc package. Now what's quicker and makes more> sence ?Exactly! That's what i'm refering to. It's not an issues of connection it's anissue of lazyness! It's like: "-- hey what are you doing this weekend? -- don't
know, it's cold and raining, i think i'm gonna sit in my throne and check what'snew on 'app-vim' to improve my vimyness, if find something interesting i'llcheck the package webpage."For now i'm using 'questo':
=== script #!/bin/bash# lun may  2 20:57:24 ART 2005# conan - GPLed## script to check for apps on rainy sunday morningBASE_DIR="/usr/portage/"[ $# -ne 1 ] && echo "Uso: questo " && exit 0
cd $BASE_DIR$1for package in * ; doeix "^$paquete\$"echo "Looking for: $1/$paquete. ENTER to continue..."readdone=== end script Now i took sugestion from Ciaran to look in 
metadata.xml, i check a couple byhand and see the 'longdesc' field but... with short descriptions! Now maybe ijust choose two with bad luck, but i got a feeling that gentoo maintainersdoesn't like to provide longdesc, although there is the posibility.
I was thinking of doing a little script that gives longdesc found in metadata toconfirm this, but since i don't know nothing about xml, think it gonna take alittle bit more that if there were already an application to check '
metadata.xml'fields. 'emerge', 'equery' and 'eix' wich are the administration tools i useeveryday don't say nothing about this, i think all of them use de descriptionfield in ebuilds. I wonder if somebody knows another app to do this?
If not, the idea of the script is more less this:lslongdesc package|category|allwhere:- 'package' gives longdesc of package- 'category' gives longdesc of all packages in category- and 'all' gives them all flooding your screen with info you never gonna eat...
  but that is there.It's so simple that i'm sure there must be an app (or compound of them) thatalready do this.--Fernando Canizo - http://www.lugmen.org.ar/~conan/
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Re: [gentoo-user] mail in $HOME/.maildir, why ???

[Christoph Gysin]

Jarry wrote:

I'm using sendmail as my mail-server, and I noticed, that mail for
users is stored in $HOME/.maildir, not in /var/spool/mail.
And each mail is stored as separate file, not all in one file.
WHY???


It's called the "maildir" mail storage format. I find it very useful, especially 
with big mailboxes...



Some mail clients does not look for new mail in $HOME/.maildir
with default settings (for example elm, only with -f).


Your mailreader must support maildir to read mails from it, of course. But yours 
seems to do it (with -f), so that's not really a problem, is it?



Moreover, I expected that all mail will be in /var/spool/mail, so
I created /var relatively big and now I see that it is almost empty.


Well, normally your /home isn't that small, so that shouldn't be a problem 
too...


Even my pop3 server does not look for new mail in $HOME/.maildir,
so no user can download his mail throught pop3...


Again, use a pop3 server which supports maildir, and everything is fine.


How can I force my mailserver to use /var/spool/mail?


You could add mbox to your useflags and emerge sendmail. If you *really* want to 
use mbox...


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[gentoo-user] Re: Strange udev Error on boot

[Alvin A ONeal Jr]

Ryan,

Looks like you're using Network Block Devices? Did you mean to do this? 
If you did, then perhaps the machines which host the nbds are not ready?


I don't know much about nbd, just the name really, but that would be my 
best guess.


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[gentoo-user] Problems emerging gcompris

[cothrige]

I recently emerged gcompris to see if my Kindergarten son could
benefit from some decent Linux apps, but I cannot get it to work.  I
saw no complaints during the emerge, such as configure errors, but it
just goes nowhere.  When run I get this:

** Message: gcompris_set_locale ''


** (gcompris:27603): WARNING **: Requested locale '' got 'C'
Opened audio at 44100 Hz 16 bit stereo, 2048 bytes audio buffer
Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)


I really don't know what this means, and a google search returned
nothing relevant.  Any ideas or help is greatly appreciated.

Patrick
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[gentoo-user] font problems after following instructions in gentoo wiki

[Allan Gottlieb]

Summary: After following the instructions in the Xorg and fonts wiki
the default firefox font is awful (the combination "at" especially).
Workaround is simple; should I file a bug or have I erred?

Details:

I followed basically all the instructions in the Xorg and fonts gentoo
wiki (my files are given below) including those for firefox (I don't
use thunderbird).  The default serif font settings for firefox in the
wiki are Bitstream Vera Serif at 16 pixels.  With this default font
and size many pages look awful.  Specifically, the letter "t" seems to
be too far left and for sure the combination "at" is partially
superimposed.  For example, viewing http://cs.nyu.edu/~gottlieb with
this font and size is bad.

If I change the size to 15 or 17 or change the font to say century
schoolbook L (with size 16), the problem disappears.

Have I messed up the settings or should I fill a bug?  If the latter,
where is the appropriate bug site for this?

thanks,
allan

 /etc/fonts/local.conf 












unknown

rgb






true






medium

false


















 /etc/X11/xorg.conf 

[snip]

# DisplaySize (in mm) important for fonts (so says gentoo font wiki)

DisplaySize 409 307

[snip]

# Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (which are concatenated together),
# as well as specifying multiple comma-separated entries in one FontPath
# command (or a combination of both methods)

# For XFS, uncomment this and comment the others
# FontPath  "unix/:-1"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/misc:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/Type1"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/TTF"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/corefonts"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/freefont"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/sharefonts"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/terminus"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/ttf-bitstream-vera"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/unifont"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/75dpi:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/100dpi:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/artwiz"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/CID/"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/Speedo/"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/cyrillic"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/ukr"
FontPath"/usr/share/fonts/local/"

# ModulePath can be used to set a search path for the X server modules.
# The default path is shown here.

#ModulePath "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules"

EndSection

# **
# Module section -- this is an optional section which is used to specify
# which run-time loadable modules to load when the X server starts up.
# **

Section "Module"

Load"dbe"

# Load the glx module we obtained from nvidia
Load"glx"

# This loads the miscellaneous extensions module, and disables
# initialisation of the XFree86-DGA extension within that module.

SubSection  "extmod"
EndSubSection

Load"type1"
Load"freetype"

# Load the synaptics driver from synaptics ebuild.
Load"synaptics"

EndSection

 ~/.fonts.conf 

No such file

 # Mozilla User Preferences

/* Do not edit this file.
 *
 * If you make changes to this file while the browser is running,
 * the changes will be overwritten when the browser exits.
 *
 * To make a manual change to preferences, you can visit the URL about:config
 * For more information, see http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html#prefs
 */

[snip]

user_pref("font.FreeType2.autohinted", true);
user_pref("font.FreeType2.enable", true);
user_pref("font.antialias.min", 0);
user_pref("font.directory.truetype.1", "/usr/share/fonts/ttf-bitstream-vera");
user_pref("font.directory.truetype.2", "/usr/share/fonts/TTF");
user_pref("font.directory.truetype.3", "/usr/share/fonts/corefonts");
user_pref("font.directory.truetype.4", "/usr/share/fonts/freefont");
user_pref("font.name.monospace.x-western", "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono");
user_pref("font.name.sans-serif.x-western", "Bitstream Vera Sans");
user_pref("font.name.serif.x-western", "Bitstream Vera Serif");
user_pref("font.scale.tt_bitmap.dark_text.gain", "0.0");
user_pref("font.scale.tt_bitmap.dark_text.min", 0);

[snip]

 about:config default settings 

font.freetype2.shared-library  libfreetype.so.6
font.FreeType2.unhintedtrue
font.embedded_bitmaps.max  100
font.FreeType2.printingtrue
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[gentoo-user] mail in $HOME/.maildir, why ???

[Jarry]

Hi,

I'm using sendmail as my mail-server, and I noticed, that mail for
users is stored in $HOME/.maildir, not in /var/spool/mail.
And each mail is stored as separate file, not all in one file.
WHY???

Some mail clients does not look for new mail in $HOME/.maildir
with default settings (for example elm, only with -f).

Moreover, I expected that all mail will be in /var/spool/mail, so
I created /var relatively big and now I see that it is almost empty.

Even my pop3 server does not look for new mail in $HOME/.maildir,
so no user can download his mail throught pop3...

How can I force my mailserver to use /var/spool/mail?

Jarry
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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc seg faults very often

[Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales]

I'll test the memory chip on another computer and see if it works...

2005/8/23, Volker Armin Hemmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Wednesday 24 August 2005 02:16, Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales
> wrote:
> > Yes, I found a kernel patch that does that. It allocates all the bad
> > memory sectors in kernel space permanetely, so they can't be used.
> > But, I found it too late. The memory is so bad now that it doesn't
> > even tries to boot. It just stops after detecting all IDE devices.
> > Gonna have to buy new memory boards...
> >
> 
> when your ram becomes worse in some few days, there is a great chance, that
> not the ram, but the PSU is the culprit.
> 
> When a PSU is becoming weak, it is not able to hold the voltages at sufficient
> levels - lockups and ram-errors are then common problems.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

[Matan Peled]

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Markus Döbele wrote:
> The code I think is not the problem. But I think it is still a lot of work.
> By the way I don't like C too much (we had a C Version once and only 
> encountered problems all the time :-( Buffer overflows and all this nice 
> stuff is a big problem of this language!)
> 
> Maybe a C Fan is reading this and likes to do it. 
> 
> I started as a Assembler Programmer on the Atari ST (68000 Rulez!!!)
> But all this is too much effort. Purebasic has a very syntax and for a basic 
> dialect a very good performance.

Well, the code IS the problem. As you see, Nick Rout has already made an ebuild,
but the code is a real problem.

Lets deal with the most obvious problem with not being able to compile your
sourcecode - Archs different than x86. PureBasic seems to be able to compile for
Windows, AmigaOS, and Linux/x86. What about Linux/PPC (Linux on Apple) users?
Theres quite a few of them. They can't run your game without an emulator...

Yes, is pretty low-level, and you have to take care of your own memory... But
coming from an assembler you should be used to this, right?

Anyway, I can perfectly understand your aversion from C...

The "best" languages to write a cross-platform application with are (I'm
probably going to get flamed missing some, but anyway) C, C++, Java, Python, and
Perl.

Ruling out C (you don't like it), C++ (Too much like C, and we don't need OO
anyway), Java (Too bloody slow), we are left with the interpreted languages,
Python and Perl.

I would suggest Python, as it has a very nice syntax and is quite easy to pick
up. Its slower than asm/c, but it may be faster than you expect.

Overall, I suggest using C and SDL, coupled with a good debugger (gdb is good,
and I hear valgrind is bloody awesome for memory related issues), but if you
decide you don't want it, Python is good too.

Binary packages are fine, but generally considered to be evil.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

[Nick Rout]

Right Markus I have written an ebuild that installs the package and it
works, although I am not sure if its how a pro would have done it.

It downloads the compiled version 1.0.0 from sourceforge (can't test it
on 1.0.1 or 1.0.2 until you put them on sourceforge.) Once you have done
that, and I have tested it, I'll make it available for others to test.

Basically it downloads the compiled tarball and installs the executable
(laby) and the support files (sounds.pak, highscores.dat, graphics.pak)
to /usr/lib/laby/ It puts a script into /usr/games/bin. The script
simple cd's to /usr/lib/laby and them executes laby. (It seems to need
to be executed from the same directory the support files are in, makes
sense really)

Comments on my chosen file locations would be appreciated. They are easy
enough to change.

It also installs the readme.txt to /usr/share/doc/laby-1.0.0 (this is a
gentoo standard location for documentation). If people think I should it
can also put readme_waffen.txt and readme_zauber.txt into the same
place, but as I don't know german i am unsure if they are really
helpful, or just take up space :-)


On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 20:49 +1200, Nick Rout wrote:
> Markus, you just keep working on the program and make sure you upload it
> to sourceforge, I'll do the ebuilds :-)
> 
> On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:06 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote:
> > Okay, but this means to me that it makes no real difference if I upload it 
> > to 
> > 2 destinations all the time.
> > I am living in Argentina and my internet connection here is very slow :-(
> > 
> > When we have to write a special file (ebuild) anyway so I would suggest to 
> > rename the funny name the server is giving us.
> > We just have to insert a variable which contains the actual version.
> > 
> > Saves me a lot of time.
> > And I want to concentrate my efforts on making laby better and not other 
> > stuff.
> > 
> > There is still a lot to to. And I want to beat the Windows version as soon 
> > as 
> > possible!
> 
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> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Downloading packages from a txt file

[Fernando Canizo]

El 24/ago/2005 a las 02:36 -0300, Nick me decía:
> Seriously this time:
> 
> How about changing your strategy to this:
> 
> Get a list of the packages you want to update from the target machine.
> something like:
> 
> emerge -uDp world|grep ebuild|awk '{print($4)}'>packlist
> 
> take packlist to the connected machine and type:
> 
> for package in `cat packlist` ; do DISTDIR=/where/ever/i/want emerge
> --nodeps -f =$package; done
> 
> The files will then be in /where/ever/i/want and you can put them on a
> cd or whatever method you are using and take them away.
> 
> --nodeps will make sure that your connected host doesn't substitute its
> own idea of what the deps are (perhaps based on different USE flags)

Could work, but i think he says he has debian in connected machine.

(hasn't?)

Anyway i would be great if 'emerge' has clean option like
'--print-uris' from apt-get so one could just use 'wget' or whatever
they find on connected machine. Other idea could be to have a script
that downloads the gentoo-way using what emerge print now, checking
mirrors, etc. Like a tiny version of emerge.

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Re: [gentoo-user] newbie install - emerge: command not found

[Neil Bothwick]

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:32:00 +0200, Assaf Urieli wrote:

> In fact, I'm not even quite sure that I understand the whole concept of
> mounting...
> When I type:
> # mount -t ext3 /dev/hda3 /mnt/gentoo
> Does the /mnt/gentoo directory already exist somewhere? If it didn't, I
> imagine this statement would throw an error. But where can it exist if
> it isn't yet associated with any partition (i.e. /dev/hda3)?

It must exist, and it exists as a normal directory within /mnt.

> # mkdir /mnt/gentoo/boot
> Where am I making this directory? I would assume this statement creates
> the directory on /dev/hda3. But then, in the next statement, I'm
> associating it with /dev/hda4!

You are creating it in whatever filesystem contains /mnt/gentoo. At this
point, it is simply an empty directory in that filesystem. Only when you
mount it does it have any content.

Actually, a mount point can have content of its own, which becomes
invisible when another filesystem is mounted on it. For
example, in Gentoo /mnt/cdrom normally contains a single file
called .keep, which you no longer see when you mount a CD, you see the
contents of that disc instead. When you unmount the CD, the underlying
directory becomes visible again and you can see .keep.

> Now that I've got an unused /dev/hda4 partition, what should I mount on
> it? I can't mount /usr onto it cause /usr already exists on the root
> partition & is full of stuff. Can I just invent any old name for
> mounting (like say, /home), and then use it for storing data?

Yes, and you could also mount /usr on it. 

mkdir /mnt/tmp
mount /dev/hda4 /mnt/tmp
rsync -a /usr/ /mnt/tmp/
umount /mnt/tmp
mount /dev/hda4 /usr
mount --bind / /mnt/tmp
rm -fr /mnt/tmp/usr/*
umount /mnt/tmp


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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

[Fernando Canizo]

El 24/ago/2005 a las 04:01 -0300, Jonas me decía:
> >Second, the whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems. Meaning, a
> >solution not involving the Internet... =)
> If you're refering to the fact that the person doesn't have an internet 
> connection when he wants to view this information throught the emerge 
> interface, then you're wrong. When you want to install or you're just 
> searching for a package you're using the emerge interface , when you 
> need more info you have to 1) open your browser 2) type in the url (if 
> you're lucky you know the url or it's in your browsers cache) 3) search 
> for the package on the website , while instead you could just do 
> something like emerge --desc package. Now what's quicker and makes more 
> sence ?

Exactly! That's what i'm refering to. It's not an issues of connection it's an
issue of lazyness! It's like: "-- hey what are you doing this weekend? -- don't
know, it's cold and raining, i think i'm gonna sit in my throne and check what's
new on 'app-vim' to improve my vimyness, if find something interesting i'll
check the package webpage."

For now i'm using 'questo':
=== script 
#!/bin/bash
# lun may  2 20:57:24 ART 2005
# conan - GPLed
#
# script to check for apps on rainy sunday morning

BASE_DIR="/usr/portage/"

[ $# -ne 1 ] && echo "Uso: questo " && exit 0

cd $BASE_DIR$1
for package in * ; do
eix "^$paquete\$"
echo "Looking for: $1/$paquete. ENTER to continue..."
read
done
=== end script 

Now i took sugestion from Ciaran to look in metadata.xml, i check a couple by
hand and see the 'longdesc' field but... with short descriptions! Now maybe i
just choose two with bad luck, but i got a feeling that gentoo maintainers
doesn't like to provide longdesc, although there is the posibility.

I was thinking of doing a little script that gives longdesc found in metadata to
confirm this, but since i don't know nothing about xml, think it gonna take a
little bit more that if there were already an application to check 
'metadata.xml'
fields. 'emerge', 'equery' and 'eix' wich are the administration tools i use
everyday don't say nothing about this, i think all of them use de description
field in ebuilds. I wonder if somebody knows another app to do this?

If not, the idea of the script is more less this:
lslongdesc package|category|all

where:
- 'package' gives longdesc of package
- 'category' gives longdesc of all packages in category
- and 'all' gives them all flooding your screen with info you never gonna eat...
  but that is there.

It's so simple that i'm sure there must be an app (or compound of them) that
already do this.

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RE: [gentoo-user] newbie install - emerge: command not found

[Michael Kintzios]

> -Original Message-
> From: Frank Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 24 August 2005 09:59
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] newbie install - emerge: command not found
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:32 +0200, Assaf Urieli wrote:
> > Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > 
> > >On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:52:22 +0200, Assaf Urieli wrote:
> > >  
> > >
> > In fact, I'm not even quite sure that I understand the 
> > whole concept of
> > mounting...
> > When I type:
> > # mount -t ext3 /dev/hda3 /mnt/gentoo
> > Does the /mnt/gentoo directory already exist somewhere? If 
> > it didn't, I
> > imagine this statement would throw an error. But where can 
> > it exist if
> > it isn't yet associated with any partition (i.e. /dev/hda3)?
> 
> First: it has to exist
> Second: you imagine right
> Third: A bolt hole can exist without a bolt in it, can't it?

Perhaps it would help if you for a minute try to break the assumed and
transparent (from a M$Windoze user perspective) linkage between
filesystem components (e.g. a directory like /mnt/gentoo) and device
components (e.g. a partition like /dev/hda3).  The physical device which
contains actual data will only be connected to the software entity of a
directory, after it is mounted (linked) to it by means of # mount
 .  After that linkage (mounting) is established your OS
can access and read the data stored on that device.

> 
> > # mkdir /mnt/gentoo/boot
> > Where am I making this directory? I would assume this 
> > statement creates the directory on /dev/hda3. 

Not as you understand it:  directories are software entities, /dev/hda3
is a physical device (hardware).  In other words, you are creating a
subdirectory within your /mnt/gentoo directory - a software path in your
filesystem.  As long as your /mnt/gentoo directory has been linked to
the physical device of /dev/hda3 then this
 structure and its contents will be
stored (saved) in the mounted /dev/hda3.

> > But then, in the next statement, I'm 
> > associating it with /dev/hda4!

OK, if you were to mount your /dev/hda4 to your /mnt/gentoo/usr then any
relevant data produced thereafter will no longer be stored on the
previously mounted device (/dev/hda3), but on the newly mounted
/dev/hda4.

I hope this helps.
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[gentoo-user] Strange udev Error on boot

[Ryan Viljoen]

Hi

I am getting a strange error on boot when udev runs. Could anyone give
me some insight as to what the problem is?


Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd76, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd76: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd76, sector 4294964848
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd76: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd76, sector 4294964848
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd77: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd77, sector 4294965120
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd77: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd77, sector 4294965120
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd77: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd77, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd77: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd77, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd77: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd77, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd77: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd77, sector 4294964848
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd77: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd77, sector 4294964848
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd78: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd78, sector 4294965120
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd78: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd78, sector 4294965120
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd78: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd78, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd78: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd78, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd78: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd78, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd78: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd78, sector 4294964848
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd78: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd78, sector 4294964848
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd79: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd79, sector 4294965120
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd79: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd79, sector 4294965120
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd79: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd79, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd79: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd79, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd79: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd79, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd79: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd79, sector 4294964848
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd79: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd79, sector 4294964848
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd8: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd8, sector 4294965120
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd8: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd8, sector 4294965120
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd8: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd8, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd8: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd8, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd8: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd8, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd8: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd8, sector 4294964848
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd8: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd8, sector 4294964848
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd80: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd80, sector 4294965120
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd80: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd80, sector 4294965120
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd80: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd80, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd80: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd80, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd80: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd80, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd80: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd80, sector 4294964848
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nb

Re: [gentoo-user] gforce4 and gensplash

[Alexander Kirillov]

Can I make gensplash to work with gforce4?


yes


Hi Matan,
That's good news. Thanks.
What fb driver are you using?
I've tried with vesafb which was working well
with my onboard i810 chip without success.
Thanks,
Sasha

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

[Frank Schafer]

further questions / info.

Seems PureBasic is a direct dependency for all programs "compiled" with
it. They will probably use the shared library which comes with
PureBasic.

I wonder ...
There is a static library amongst the PureBasic binary too. Maybe
PureBasic "compiles" the way VisualBasic up to version 5 did. Making a
data block from the source leaving the source itself intact, linking a
library with a small starting code (the interpreter) letting the
executable interpreting the data block inside itself.

... that would stand for real speed ... interpreting ...


Further 0,02$
Frank


On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:25 +0200, Frank Schafer wrote:
> right, and that means we have to study PB's syntax ... what I'm doing
> just now if I have some time.
> 
> PB itself is probably written in C. A compiler with less than 140kB IMHO
> isn't written in C++.
> 
> BTW: Have a look at ``strings pbcompiler | more''!
> It's VEERY interesting. Seems pbcompiler simply maps BASIC
> instructions to assembler mnemonics.
> 
> :-)))
> 
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> > > ;)
> > 
> > Well, of course. But it wasn't used before, rather PureBasic's one was used.
> > 
> > Now we need to use that API (Thats what I meant by "Talking to SDL"...)
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Re: [gentoo-user] newbie install - emerge: command not found

[Frank Schafer]

On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:32 +0200, Assaf Urieli wrote:
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:52:22 +0200, Assaf Urieli wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>BTW, /usr/bin doesn't even exist - all /usr contains is lost+found
> >>
> >>
> >Do you have a separate partition for /usr? If so, is it mounted?
> >
> >What you describe is a classic symptom of installing /usr on its own
> >partition and forgetting to add it to /etc/fstab.
> >  
> >
> Oy vey, that was it! I knew I must be doing something stupid.
> Feeling adventurous, I decided to create a 4th partition and mount /usr
> onto it in my /etc/fstab, but on the other hand I didn't mount it while
> installing gentoo (I thought somehow the fstab would be enough)...
> So everything got installed on the root partition.
> I corrected the problem by changing my /etc/fstab to mount /dev/hda4
> somewhere else, and now when I reboot my /usr/bin directory contains
> everything that was installed on it.
> 
> So, just a couple of questions to get things organised in my brain:
> If I wanted to mount the /usr partition while installing, would this
> have been the right command? Would I have to make the directory first?
> # mount -t ext3 /dev/hda4 /mnt/gentoo/usr

Former: yes, latter: yes

> 
> In fact, I'm not even quite sure that I understand the whole concept of
> mounting...
> When I type:
> # mount -t ext3 /dev/hda3 /mnt/gentoo
> Does the /mnt/gentoo directory already exist somewhere? If it didn't, I
> imagine this statement would throw an error. But where can it exist if
> it isn't yet associated with any partition (i.e. /dev/hda3)?

First: it has to exist
Second: you imagine right
Third: A bolt hole can exist without a bolt in it, can't it?

> # mkdir /mnt/gentoo/boot
> Where am I making this directory? I would assume this statement creates
> the directory on /dev/hda3. But then, in the next statement, I'm

yes

> associating it with /dev/hda4!

right

/mnt/
   |
   +- gentoo/ << this is a mountpoint (bolt hole) on /dev/hda3
#mount /dev/hda4 /mnt/gentoo  (here's the bolt)
|
+ usr/ << this is a normal directory
|
+ boot/ << further bolt hole
> # mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/gentoo/boot
(with bolt from here on)

Well, every normal directory can act as a bolt hole. If it contains
something when you screw the bolt in (mount something) the content of
the directory will be hidden (that's why the commands weren't found).

> 
> Another question:
> Now that I've got an unused /dev/hda4 partition, what should I mount on
> it? I can't mount /usr onto it cause /usr already exists on the root
> partition & is full of stuff. Can I just invent any old name for
> mounting (like say, /home), and then use it for storing data?

yes

> 
> Sorry for the naive questions, but I'm trying to get my head around some
> of these concepts...

Don't worry, we all began some (ancient ;) time ago.

> 
> Best regards,
> Assaf
> 
> >
> >  
> >

Regards
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

[Nick Rout]

Markus, you just keep working on the program and make sure you upload it
to sourceforge, I'll do the ebuilds :-)

On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:06 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote:
> Okay, but this means to me that it makes no real difference if I upload it to 
> 2 destinations all the time.
> I am living in Argentina and my internet connection here is very slow :-(
> 
> When we have to write a special file (ebuild) anyway so I would suggest to 
> rename the funny name the server is giving us.
> We just have to insert a variable which contains the actual version.
> 
> Saves me a lot of time.
> And I want to concentrate my efforts on making laby better and not other 
> stuff.
> 
> There is still a lot to to. And I want to beat the Windows version as soon as 
> possible!

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Re: [gentoo-user] newbie install - emerge: command not found

[Assaf Urieli]

Neil Bothwick wrote:

>On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:52:22 +0200, Assaf Urieli wrote:
>  
>
>>BTW, /usr/bin doesn't even exist - all /usr contains is lost+found
>>
>>
>Do you have a separate partition for /usr? If so, is it mounted?
>
>What you describe is a classic symptom of installing /usr on its own
>partition and forgetting to add it to /etc/fstab.
>  
>
Oy vey, that was it! I knew I must be doing something stupid.
Feeling adventurous, I decided to create a 4th partition and mount /usr
onto it in my /etc/fstab, but on the other hand I didn't mount it while
installing gentoo (I thought somehow the fstab would be enough)...
So everything got installed on the root partition.
I corrected the problem by changing my /etc/fstab to mount /dev/hda4
somewhere else, and now when I reboot my /usr/bin directory contains
everything that was installed on it.

So, just a couple of questions to get things organised in my brain:
If I wanted to mount the /usr partition while installing, would this
have been the right command? Would I have to make the directory first?
# mount -t ext3 /dev/hda4 /mnt/gentoo/usr

In fact, I'm not even quite sure that I understand the whole concept of
mounting...
When I type:
# mount -t ext3 /dev/hda3 /mnt/gentoo
Does the /mnt/gentoo directory already exist somewhere? If it didn't, I
imagine this statement would throw an error. But where can it exist if
it isn't yet associated with any partition (i.e. /dev/hda3)?
# mkdir /mnt/gentoo/boot
Where am I making this directory? I would assume this statement creates
the directory on /dev/hda3. But then, in the next statement, I'm
associating it with /dev/hda4!
# mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/gentoo/boot

Another question:
Now that I've got an unused /dev/hda4 partition, what should I mount on
it? I can't mount /usr onto it cause /usr already exists on the root
partition & is full of stuff. Can I just invent any old name for
mounting (like say, /home), and then use it for storing data?

Sorry for the naive questions, but I'm trying to get my head around some
of these concepts...

Best regards,
Assaf

>
>  
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

[Frank Schafer]

right, and that means we have to study PB's syntax ... what I'm doing
just now if I have some time.

PB itself is probably written in C. A compiler with less than 140kB IMHO
isn't written in C++.

BTW: Have a look at ``strings pbcompiler | more''!
It's VEERY interesting. Seems pbcompiler simply maps BASIC
instructions to assembler mnemonics.

:-)))

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> > ;)
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> 
> Now we need to use that API (Thats what I meant by "Talking to SDL"...)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

[Markus Döbele]

Agreed C IS faster.
But no fun at all. 

Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 09:13 schrieb Matan Peled:
> Frank Schafer wrote:
> > Hmmm, a game IS an application (for gaming purposes) ;-))
> >
> > Fast scrolling and all of this stuff isn't made by PB but by library
> > routines (SDL on Linux). So every (I mean EVERY) language should handle
> > this if the system does it handle.
> >
> > By the way, we definitely can change the programming language by simple
> > syntax conversion if the original code is proper organized (I did this
> > more than once). A complete rewrite isn't such a big task too.
> > Programming means to describe the whole logic of an application (games
> > too ;). Use structograms, flow charts, petri nets ... as you like.
> > Translating this into a programming Language (C, C++, Pascal, BASIC,
> > Forth, Prolog ...) is pure coding.
> >
> > I remember the time we touched the hardware itself if we did need speed
> > (DOS, was it GEM on the Amiga?, the legendary Spectrum, C64 ...) but I'm
> > skeptic if modern OS will still allow this.
> >
> > 0.02$
> > Frank
>
> And C is EXTREMELY fast. I mean, I'm having real trouble believing that
> BASIC can be faster than C...
>
> Anyway, simple syntax change is not all that needed. You also need to talk
> to SDL - something I think PureBasic handled previously.
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

[Markus Döbele]

The code I think is not the problem. But I think it is still a lot of work.
By the way I don't like C too much (we had a C Version once and only 
encountered problems all the time :-( Buffer overflows and all this nice 
stuff is a big problem of this language!)

Maybe a C Fan is reading this and likes to do it. 

I started as a Assembler Programmer on the Atari ST (68000 Rulez!!!)
But all this is too much effort. Purebasic has a very syntax and for a basic 
dialect a very good performance.


Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 08:39 schrieb Frank Schafer:
> Hmmm, a game IS an application (for gaming purposes) ;-))
>
> Fast scrolling and all of this stuff isn't made by PB but by library
> routines (SDL on Linux). So every (I mean EVERY) language should handle
> this if the system does it handle.
>
> By the way, we definitely can change the programming language by simple
> syntax conversion if the original code is proper organized (I did this
> more than once). A complete rewrite isn't such a big task too.
> Programming means to describe the whole logic of an application (games
> too ;). Use structograms, flow charts, petri nets ... as you like.
> Translating this into a programming Language (C, C++, Pascal, BASIC,
> Forth, Prolog ...) is pure coding.
>
> I remember the time we touched the hardware itself if we did need speed
> (DOS, was it GEM on the Amiga?, the legendary Spectrum, C64 ...) but I'm
> skeptic if modern OS will still allow this.
>
> 0.02$
> Frank
>
> On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 21:31 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote:
> > But this is a game and not an aplication.
> > I need fast scrolling and all this stuff. I don't think this languages
> > can handle that.
> >
> > Am Dienstag, 23. August 2005 09:57 schrieb Heinz Sporn:
> > > Am Dienstag, den 23.08.2005, 09:06 +0200 schrieb Markus Döbele:
> > > > Purebasic is very fast. The generated assembler code kicks ass.
> > > > And I can compile it for Linux, Mac OS and Windows.
> > > >
> > > > If I find a Open Source Basic Compiler that can do the task. I
> > > > consider rewriting it again.
> > >
> > > Did you ever look at Gambas? http://gambas.sourceforge.net/ At the
> > > moment it's dedicated to X environments with both QT and GTK support
> > > but I wouldn't be suprised if they will support Windoze in the future.
> > > The IDE itself is very nice and the compiler generates smooth code.
> > > It's in Portage BTW. And last but not least they have a very nice
> > > community.
> > >
> > > Another option might be RealBasic http://www.realbasic.com/ . The
> > > Current RealBasic version 2005 is commercial, but the older standard
> > > version 5.5 for Windows is free. It's a little strange but with that
> > > you are able to produce native Linux binaries for a QT environment.
> > >
> > > > We are programming this game since 12 years :-)
> > > > The first Version we programmed on the Atari ST!  :-))
> > > > There the language was calles STOS.
> > > >
> > > > Am Dienstag, 23. August 2005 08:33 schrieb Frank Schafer:
> > > > > Hi Markus,
> > > > >
> > > > > have you ever wondered about the possibility to rewrite your game
> > > > > to another programming language. There's a lot of possibilities
> > > > > (even for FSF game engines).
> > > > >
> > > > > Just a thought
> > > > > Frank
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 23:42 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote:
> > > > > > So we have to treat Lost Labyrinth as closed source.
> > > > > > Because the source code of this game is only useful to other
> > > > > > purebasic programmers. And people that got the compiler. I
> > > > > > understand. Can't change that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Am Montag, 22. August 2005 22:52 schrieb Matan Peled:
> > > > > > > Markus Döbele wrote:
> > > > > > > > I created a tar.gz Version of this game too.
> > > > > > > > I'm sorry that its not possible to compile it with the demo
> > > > > > > > version of the compiler.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What are gentoo users doing with other binary packages?
> > > > > > > > Like Acrobat Reader?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is this a big problem for this system?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No, Portage can handle binary apps just fine. We have Java,
> > > > > > > Unreal Tournament 2k3/2k4, Doom 3, Neverwinter Nights... All
> > > > > > > kinds of binary-only apps.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But all of them are closed-source (Except for the -bin version
> > > > > > > of some rather big packages, manly to save people the compile
> > > > > > > time...).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It feels kinda wrong to install a binary package of a (small)
> > > > > > > open-source app on a source-based system...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Its also weird having an opensource app that you can only
> > > > > > > compile using a non-free (as in beer) compiler...
> > > > > > >
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

[Markus Döbele]

Okay, but this means to me that it makes no real difference if I upload it to 
2 destinations all the time.
I am living in Argentina and my internet connection here is very slow :-(

When we have to write a special file (ebuild) anyway so I would suggest to 
rename the funny name the server is giving us.
We just have to insert a variable which contains the actual version.

Saves me a lot of time.
And I want to concentrate my efforts on making laby better and not other 
stuff.

There is still a lot to to. And I want to beat the Windows version as soon as 
possible!


Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 03:58 schrieb Nick Rout:
> On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:48:45 +0200
>
> Markus Döbele wrote:
> > Okay, then lets use sourceforge.
> > I will release a new version tonight!  Will be 1.0.2.
> >
> > (Integrated 10 new magical items, The special levels look really nice now
> > and I included a new one: underground forest. The dragon room is new. And
> > we got a room for trainers now :-)  )
> >
> > How do we handle it with sourceforge that we always get the newest
> > version? Do I have to edit the same release all the time. Or is there a
> > mechanism that gets the neweset file automatically?
>
> The versioning is handled like this:
>
> each ebuild has a name and version in it. I would call the current laby
> ebuild laby-1.0.1.ebuild and it would include a line like:
>
> SRC_URI="mirror://sourceforge/synce/${P}.tar.gz"
>
> ${P} includes the version number automatically.
>
> When a new version is released someone needs to write a new ebuild, but
> as all versioning is handled automatically, this is usually just a
> matter of copying the previous one and renaming it to e.g.
> laby-1.0.2.ebuild.
>
> portage picks up the new version number from the filename and adjusts
> the download URL by virtue of the ${P} variable.
>
> It does rely on you keeping the filenaming consistent and not suddenly
> changing from laby-1.0.1.tar.gz to lostlabyrinth-1.0.2.tgz.
>
> For more info see
>
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=2&chap=1
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

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> ;)

Well, of course. But it wasn't used before, rather PureBasic's one was used.

Now we need to use that API (Thats what I meant by "Talking to SDL"...)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

[Frank Schafer]

On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:13 +0300, Matan Peled wrote:
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> Frank Schafer wrote:
> > Hmmm, a game IS an application (for gaming purposes) ;-))
> > 
> > Fast scrolling and all of this stuff isn't made by PB but by library
> > routines (SDL on Linux). So every (I mean EVERY) language should handle
> > this if the system does it handle.
> > 
> > By the way, we definitely can change the programming language by simple
> > syntax conversion if the original code is proper organized (I did this
> > more than once). A complete rewrite isn't such a big task too.
> > Programming means to describe the whole logic of an application (games
> > too ;). Use structograms, flow charts, petri nets ... as you like.
> > Translating this into a programming Language (C, C++, Pascal, BASIC,
> > Forth, Prolog ...) is pure coding.
> > 
> > I remember the time we touched the hardware itself if we did need speed
> > (DOS, was it GEM on the Amiga?, the legendary Spectrum, C64 ...) but I'm
> > skeptic if modern OS will still allow this.
> > 
> > 0.02$
> > Frank
> 
> And C is EXTREMELY fast. I mean, I'm having real trouble believing that BASIC
> can be faster than C...
> 
> Anyway, simple syntax change is not all that needed. You also need to talk to
> SDL - something I think PureBasic handled previously.

I think SDL has an API, don't you think too?

;)


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Re: [gentoo-user] More splash problems

[Uwe Thiem]

On 23 August 2005 20:14, Holly Bostick wrote:

Sorry, forgot this in my other posting.

> Oh, and btw, Nagatoro... it's silly, but just open up your grub.conf
> with nano and make sure that some word-wrap somewhere didn't mess up
> your kernel line. That happened to me a couple of times, and in that
> respect, Matthias is on to something: if the line wraps to another line
> (with some kind of soft return), and is not really all on one line as it
> is supposed to be, the second half of the kernel line (after the soft
> wrap) will be ignored. So opening up the file with nano and going to the
> beginning of any apparently wrapped line and hitting Backspace to pull
> it all together is not a bad idea.

This can be easily proved. Do "cat /proc/cmdline" and check whether the output 
matches the line in grub.conf.

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