Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

2005-08-24 Thread Frank Schafer
Hallo, wie Du vielleicht an meiner e-mail erkennst (am Namen) ... meine
Muttersprache ist Deutsch. ;-)))

Hi, as you possibly recognize by my e-mail (the name) ... my native
language is German ;-)))

I got a PB installation and there is some doc about the (programming)
language in the tar ball.

In fact, the syntax:

something(x) /anything

means an array of structs something where anything is a member of the
struct something.

THAT was my question.

Not at all, thanks.
Frank


On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 16:47 +0200, Holly Bostick wrote:
 Frank Schafer schreef:
 
  The only thing I don't understand after 5 minutes looking at the code;
  
  what means:
  
  spieler(i) \Status = 1
  
 
 I don't know anything about code, but I looked at this and immediately saw
 
 spieler = Player
 
 in German.
 
 Maybe that helps you understand what it's doing.
 
 Holly
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RE: [gentoo-user] VMWare?

2005-08-24 Thread Daevid Vincent
 This is exactly what I do. I run VMWare on XP and I just use the raw
partition for gentoo. The beauty is that when I really need to be native in
gentoo for some reason (maybe for kismet or something hardware related), I
just dual-boot into it. It's very slick. And it's pretty f'n awesome to be
able to run BOTH OSs at the SAME TIME.

D.Vin

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  One possibility is to setup the system as a dual-boot system, 
 and give 
 yourself the choice of running Gentoo from within VMWare or natively.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Flash MX 2004

2005-08-24 Thread Zeksers

Ian K wrote:


Hey all,
Has anyone been able to get the trial working under Wine?
Also, because I would use it under Wine, would it be easy to uninstall
the trial and re install it after 30 days? :)
Ian
 

I don't know but maybe this will help 
http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=flashmx

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

2005-08-24 Thread Frank Schafer
Hmmm, a game IS an application (for gaming purposes) ;-))

Fast scrolling and all of this stuff isn't made by PB but by library
routines (SDL on Linux). So every (I mean EVERY) language should handle
this if the system does it handle.

By the way, we definitely can change the programming language by simple
syntax conversion if the original code is proper organized (I did this
more than once). A complete rewrite isn't such a big task too.
Programming means to describe the whole logic of an application (games
too ;). Use structograms, flow charts, petri nets ... as you like.
Translating this into a programming Language (C, C++, Pascal, BASIC,
Forth, Prolog ...) is pure coding.

I remember the time we touched the hardware itself if we did need speed
(DOS, was it GEM on the Amiga?, the legendary Spectrum, C64 ...) but I'm
skeptic if modern OS will still allow this.

0.02$
Frank


On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 21:31 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote:
 But this is a game and not an aplication.
 I need fast scrolling and all this stuff. I don't think this languages can 
 handle that.
 
 
 Am Dienstag, 23. August 2005 09:57 schrieb Heinz Sporn:
  Am Dienstag, den 23.08.2005, 09:06 +0200 schrieb Markus Döbele:
   Purebasic is very fast. The generated assembler code kicks ass.
   And I can compile it for Linux, Mac OS and Windows.
  
   If I find a Open Source Basic Compiler that can do the task. I consider
   rewriting it again.
 
  Did you ever look at Gambas? http://gambas.sourceforge.net/ At the
  moment it's dedicated to X environments with both QT and GTK support but
  I wouldn't be suprised if they will support Windoze in the future. The
  IDE itself is very nice and the compiler generates smooth code. It's in
  Portage BTW. And last but not least they have a very nice community.
 
  Another option might be RealBasic http://www.realbasic.com/ . The
  Current RealBasic version 2005 is commercial, but the older standard
  version 5.5 for Windows is free. It's a little strange but with that you
  are able to produce native Linux binaries for a QT environment.
 
   We are programming this game since 12 years :-)
   The first Version we programmed on the Atari ST!  :-))
   There the language was calles STOS.
  
   Am Dienstag, 23. August 2005 08:33 schrieb Frank Schafer:
Hi Markus,
   
have you ever wondered about the possibility to rewrite your game to
another programming language. There's a lot of possibilities (even for
FSF game engines).
   
Just a thought
Frank
   
On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 23:42 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote:
 So we have to treat Lost Labyrinth as closed source.
 Because the source code of this game is only useful to other
 purebasic programmers. And people that got the compiler. I
 understand. Can't change that.

 Am Montag, 22. August 2005 22:52 schrieb Matan Peled:
  Markus Döbele wrote:
   I created a tar.gz Version of this game too.
   I'm sorry that its not possible to compile it with the demo
   version of the compiler.
  
   What are gentoo users doing with other binary packages?
   Like Acrobat Reader?
  
   Is this a big problem for this system?
 
  No, Portage can handle binary apps just fine. We have Java, Unreal
  Tournament 2k3/2k4, Doom 3, Neverwinter Nights... All kinds of
  binary-only apps.
 
  But all of them are closed-source (Except for the -bin version of
  some rather big packages, manly to save people the compile
  time...).
 
  It feels kinda wrong to install a binary package of a (small)
  open-source app on a source-based system...
 
  Its also weird having an opensource app that you can only compile
  using a non-free (as in beer) compiler...
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Matan Peled
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Michael Crute wrote:
 Or you could use http://packages.gentoo.org/ or
 http://gentoo-portage.com both of which tend to provide decent
 information about the packages in portage.
 
 -Mike

Well, first of all, top-posting sucks, especially in a thread which has already
begun as bottom-posting.

Second, the whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems. Meaning, a
solution not involving the Internet... =)

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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Jonas Geiregat

Matan Peled wrote:



Well, first of all, top-posting sucks, especially in a thread which has already
begun as bottom-posting.

 


What are you talking about ?


Second, the whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems. Meaning, a
solution not involving the Internet... =)

 

If you're refering to the fact that the person doesn't have an internet 
connection when he wants to view this information throught the emerge 
interface, then you're wrong. When you want to install or you're just 
searching for a package you're using the emerge interface , when you 
need more info you have to 1) open your browser 2) type in the url (if 
you're lucky you know the url or it's in your browsers cache) 3) search 
for the package on the website , while instead you could just do 
something like emerge --desc package. Now what's quicker and makes more 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

2005-08-24 Thread Matan Peled
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Frank Schafer wrote:
 Hmmm, a game IS an application (for gaming purposes) ;-))
 
 Fast scrolling and all of this stuff isn't made by PB but by library
 routines (SDL on Linux). So every (I mean EVERY) language should handle
 this if the system does it handle.
 
 By the way, we definitely can change the programming language by simple
 syntax conversion if the original code is proper organized (I did this
 more than once). A complete rewrite isn't such a big task too.
 Programming means to describe the whole logic of an application (games
 too ;). Use structograms, flow charts, petri nets ... as you like.
 Translating this into a programming Language (C, C++, Pascal, BASIC,
 Forth, Prolog ...) is pure coding.
 
 I remember the time we touched the hardware itself if we did need speed
 (DOS, was it GEM on the Amiga?, the legendary Spectrum, C64 ...) but I'm
 skeptic if modern OS will still allow this.
 
 0.02$
 Frank

And C is EXTREMELY fast. I mean, I'm having real trouble believing that BASIC
can be faster than C...

Anyway, simple syntax change is not all that needed. You also need to talk to
SDL - something I think PureBasic handled previously.

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Re: [gentoo-user] gforce4 and gensplash

2005-08-24 Thread Matan Peled
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Alexander Kirillov wrote:
 Hi all,
 Can I make gensplash to work with gforce4?
 Thanks in advance,
 Sasha
 

yes

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Re: [gentoo-user] More splash problems

2005-08-24 Thread Uwe Thiem
On 23 August 2005 20:14, Holly Bostick wrote:
 Matthias Krebs schreef:
  And as
  someone else mentioned before, vesafb-tng is not a valid kernel
  parameter, so everything after it is ignored.

 In what world is this? If you're using vesafb-tng (added to the kernel
 options by the fbsplash patch which you get with the gentoo kernels,
 which is no surprise, given that it was created by spock, a gentoo
 developer), then it most certainly is a valid kernel parameter (and was
 selected in the kernel config output that was posted in a previous message.

 If the post you're referring to was Uwe's, I don't think he meant that
 the parameter was invalid, but rather that rather than using vesafb-tng,
 that the OP should try regular vesafb, which might work where
 vesafb-tng wasn't working.

Nope, that was not what I meant. I meant: If you select vesafb-tng during 
kernel configuration, vesafb on the kernel command line refers to 
vesafb-tng. That's how it works here without *any* problem.

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] More splash problems

2005-08-24 Thread Uwe Thiem
On 23 August 2005 20:14, Holly Bostick wrote:

Sorry, forgot this in my other posting.

 Oh, and btw, Nagatoro... it's silly, but just open up your grub.conf
 with nano and make sure that some word-wrap somewhere didn't mess up
 your kernel line. That happened to me a couple of times, and in that
 respect, Matthias is on to something: if the line wraps to another line
 (with some kind of soft return), and is not really all on one line as it
 is supposed to be, the second half of the kernel line (after the soft
 wrap) will be ignored. So opening up the file with nano and going to the
 beginning of any apparently wrapped line and hitting Backspace to pull
 it all together is not a bad idea.

This can be easily proved. Do cat /proc/cmdline and check whether the output 
matches the line in grub.conf.

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

2005-08-24 Thread Frank Schafer
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:13 +0300, Matan Peled wrote:
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 Frank Schafer wrote:
  Hmmm, a game IS an application (for gaming purposes) ;-))
  
  Fast scrolling and all of this stuff isn't made by PB but by library
  routines (SDL on Linux). So every (I mean EVERY) language should handle
  this if the system does it handle.
  
  By the way, we definitely can change the programming language by simple
  syntax conversion if the original code is proper organized (I did this
  more than once). A complete rewrite isn't such a big task too.
  Programming means to describe the whole logic of an application (games
  too ;). Use structograms, flow charts, petri nets ... as you like.
  Translating this into a programming Language (C, C++, Pascal, BASIC,
  Forth, Prolog ...) is pure coding.
  
  I remember the time we touched the hardware itself if we did need speed
  (DOS, was it GEM on the Amiga?, the legendary Spectrum, C64 ...) but I'm
  skeptic if modern OS will still allow this.
  
  0.02$
  Frank
 
 And C is EXTREMELY fast. I mean, I'm having real trouble believing that BASIC
 can be faster than C...
 
 Anyway, simple syntax change is not all that needed. You also need to talk to
 SDL - something I think PureBasic handled previously.

I think SDL has an API, don't you think too?

;)


 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

2005-08-24 Thread Matan Peled
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Frank Schafer wrote:
 I think SDL has an API, don't you think too?
 ;)

Well, of course. But it wasn't used before, rather PureBasic's one was used.

Now we need to use that API (Thats what I meant by Talking to SDL...)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

2005-08-24 Thread Markus Döbele
The code I think is not the problem. But I think it is still a lot of work.
By the way I don't like C too much (we had a C Version once and only 
encountered problems all the time :-( Buffer overflows and all this nice 
stuff is a big problem of this language!)

Maybe a C Fan is reading this and likes to do it. 

I started as a Assembler Programmer on the Atari ST (68000 Rulez!!!)
But all this is too much effort. Purebasic has a very syntax and for a basic 
dialect a very good performance.


Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 08:39 schrieb Frank Schafer:
 Hmmm, a game IS an application (for gaming purposes) ;-))

 Fast scrolling and all of this stuff isn't made by PB but by library
 routines (SDL on Linux). So every (I mean EVERY) language should handle
 this if the system does it handle.

 By the way, we definitely can change the programming language by simple
 syntax conversion if the original code is proper organized (I did this
 more than once). A complete rewrite isn't such a big task too.
 Programming means to describe the whole logic of an application (games
 too ;). Use structograms, flow charts, petri nets ... as you like.
 Translating this into a programming Language (C, C++, Pascal, BASIC,
 Forth, Prolog ...) is pure coding.

 I remember the time we touched the hardware itself if we did need speed
 (DOS, was it GEM on the Amiga?, the legendary Spectrum, C64 ...) but I'm
 skeptic if modern OS will still allow this.

 0.02$
 Frank

 On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 21:31 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote:
  But this is a game and not an aplication.
  I need fast scrolling and all this stuff. I don't think this languages
  can handle that.
 
  Am Dienstag, 23. August 2005 09:57 schrieb Heinz Sporn:
   Am Dienstag, den 23.08.2005, 09:06 +0200 schrieb Markus Döbele:
Purebasic is very fast. The generated assembler code kicks ass.
And I can compile it for Linux, Mac OS and Windows.
   
If I find a Open Source Basic Compiler that can do the task. I
consider rewriting it again.
  
   Did you ever look at Gambas? http://gambas.sourceforge.net/ At the
   moment it's dedicated to X environments with both QT and GTK support
   but I wouldn't be suprised if they will support Windoze in the future.
   The IDE itself is very nice and the compiler generates smooth code.
   It's in Portage BTW. And last but not least they have a very nice
   community.
  
   Another option might be RealBasic http://www.realbasic.com/ . The
   Current RealBasic version 2005 is commercial, but the older standard
   version 5.5 for Windows is free. It's a little strange but with that
   you are able to produce native Linux binaries for a QT environment.
  
We are programming this game since 12 years :-)
The first Version we programmed on the Atari ST!  :-))
There the language was calles STOS.
   
Am Dienstag, 23. August 2005 08:33 schrieb Frank Schafer:
 Hi Markus,

 have you ever wondered about the possibility to rewrite your game
 to another programming language. There's a lot of possibilities
 (even for FSF game engines).

 Just a thought
 Frank

 On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 23:42 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote:
  So we have to treat Lost Labyrinth as closed source.
  Because the source code of this game is only useful to other
  purebasic programmers. And people that got the compiler. I
  understand. Can't change that.
 
  Am Montag, 22. August 2005 22:52 schrieb Matan Peled:
   Markus Döbele wrote:
I created a tar.gz Version of this game too.
I'm sorry that its not possible to compile it with the demo
version of the compiler.
   
What are gentoo users doing with other binary packages?
Like Acrobat Reader?
   
Is this a big problem for this system?
  
   No, Portage can handle binary apps just fine. We have Java,
   Unreal Tournament 2k3/2k4, Doom 3, Neverwinter Nights... All
   kinds of binary-only apps.
  
   But all of them are closed-source (Except for the -bin version
   of some rather big packages, manly to save people the compile
   time...).
  
   It feels kinda wrong to install a binary package of a (small)
   open-source app on a source-based system...
  
   Its also weird having an opensource app that you can only
   compile using a non-free (as in beer) compiler...
  
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

2005-08-24 Thread Markus Döbele
Agreed C IS faster.
But no fun at all. 

Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 09:13 schrieb Matan Peled:
 Frank Schafer wrote:
  Hmmm, a game IS an application (for gaming purposes) ;-))
 
  Fast scrolling and all of this stuff isn't made by PB but by library
  routines (SDL on Linux). So every (I mean EVERY) language should handle
  this if the system does it handle.
 
  By the way, we definitely can change the programming language by simple
  syntax conversion if the original code is proper organized (I did this
  more than once). A complete rewrite isn't such a big task too.
  Programming means to describe the whole logic of an application (games
  too ;). Use structograms, flow charts, petri nets ... as you like.
  Translating this into a programming Language (C, C++, Pascal, BASIC,
  Forth, Prolog ...) is pure coding.
 
  I remember the time we touched the hardware itself if we did need speed
  (DOS, was it GEM on the Amiga?, the legendary Spectrum, C64 ...) but I'm
  skeptic if modern OS will still allow this.
 
  0.02$
  Frank

 And C is EXTREMELY fast. I mean, I'm having real trouble believing that
 BASIC can be faster than C...

 Anyway, simple syntax change is not all that needed. You also need to talk
 to SDL - something I think PureBasic handled previously.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

2005-08-24 Thread Frank Schafer
right, and that means we have to study PB's syntax ... what I'm doing
just now if I have some time.

PB itself is probably written in C. A compiler with less than 140kB IMHO
isn't written in C++.

BTW: Have a look at ``strings pbcompiler | more''!
It's VEERY interesting. Seems pbcompiler simply maps BASIC
instructions to assembler mnemonics.

:-)))

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  I think SDL has an API, don't you think too?
  ;)
 
 Well, of course. But it wasn't used before, rather PureBasic's one was used.
 
 Now we need to use that API (Thats what I meant by Talking to SDL...)
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] newbie install - emerge: command not found

2005-08-24 Thread Assaf Urieli
Neil Bothwick wrote:

On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:52:22 +0200, Assaf Urieli wrote:
  

BTW, /usr/bin doesn't even exist - all /usr contains is lost+found


Do you have a separate partition for /usr? If so, is it mounted?

What you describe is a classic symptom of installing /usr on its own
partition and forgetting to add it to /etc/fstab.
  

Oy vey, that was it! I knew I must be doing something stupid.
Feeling adventurous, I decided to create a 4th partition and mount /usr
onto it in my /etc/fstab, but on the other hand I didn't mount it while
installing gentoo (I thought somehow the fstab would be enough)...
So everything got installed on the root partition.
I corrected the problem by changing my /etc/fstab to mount /dev/hda4
somewhere else, and now when I reboot my /usr/bin directory contains
everything that was installed on it.

So, just a couple of questions to get things organised in my brain:
If I wanted to mount the /usr partition while installing, would this
have been the right command? Would I have to make the directory first?
# mount -t ext3 /dev/hda4 /mnt/gentoo/usr

In fact, I'm not even quite sure that I understand the whole concept of
mounting...
When I type:
# mount -t ext3 /dev/hda3 /mnt/gentoo
Does the /mnt/gentoo directory already exist somewhere? If it didn't, I
imagine this statement would throw an error. But where can it exist if
it isn't yet associated with any partition (i.e. /dev/hda3)?
# mkdir /mnt/gentoo/boot
Where am I making this directory? I would assume this statement creates
the directory on /dev/hda3. But then, in the next statement, I'm
associating it with /dev/hda4!
# mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/gentoo/boot

Another question:
Now that I've got an unused /dev/hda4 partition, what should I mount on
it? I can't mount /usr onto it cause /usr already exists on the root
partition  is full of stuff. Can I just invent any old name for
mounting (like say, /home), and then use it for storing data?

Sorry for the naive questions, but I'm trying to get my head around some
of these concepts...

Best regards,
Assaf


  

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

2005-08-24 Thread Nick Rout
Markus, you just keep working on the program and make sure you upload it
to sourceforge, I'll do the ebuilds :-)

On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:06 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote:
 Okay, but this means to me that it makes no real difference if I upload it to 
 2 destinations all the time.
 I am living in Argentina and my internet connection here is very slow :-(
 
 When we have to write a special file (ebuild) anyway so I would suggest to 
 rename the funny name the server is giving us.
 We just have to insert a variable which contains the actual version.
 
 Saves me a lot of time.
 And I want to concentrate my efforts on making laby better and not other 
 stuff.
 
 There is still a lot to to. And I want to beat the Windows version as soon as 
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Re: [gentoo-user] newbie install - emerge: command not found

2005-08-24 Thread Frank Schafer
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:32 +0200, Assaf Urieli wrote:
 Neil Bothwick wrote:
 
 On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:52:22 +0200, Assaf Urieli wrote:
   
 
 BTW, /usr/bin doesn't even exist - all /usr contains is lost+found
 
 
 Do you have a separate partition for /usr? If so, is it mounted?
 
 What you describe is a classic symptom of installing /usr on its own
 partition and forgetting to add it to /etc/fstab.
   
 
 Oy vey, that was it! I knew I must be doing something stupid.
 Feeling adventurous, I decided to create a 4th partition and mount /usr
 onto it in my /etc/fstab, but on the other hand I didn't mount it while
 installing gentoo (I thought somehow the fstab would be enough)...
 So everything got installed on the root partition.
 I corrected the problem by changing my /etc/fstab to mount /dev/hda4
 somewhere else, and now when I reboot my /usr/bin directory contains
 everything that was installed on it.
 
 So, just a couple of questions to get things organised in my brain:
 If I wanted to mount the /usr partition while installing, would this
 have been the right command? Would I have to make the directory first?
 # mount -t ext3 /dev/hda4 /mnt/gentoo/usr

Former: yes, latter: yes

 
 In fact, I'm not even quite sure that I understand the whole concept of
 mounting...
 When I type:
 # mount -t ext3 /dev/hda3 /mnt/gentoo
 Does the /mnt/gentoo directory already exist somewhere? If it didn't, I
 imagine this statement would throw an error. But where can it exist if
 it isn't yet associated with any partition (i.e. /dev/hda3)?

First: it has to exist
Second: you imagine right
Third: A bolt hole can exist without a bolt in it, can't it?

 # mkdir /mnt/gentoo/boot
 Where am I making this directory? I would assume this statement creates
 the directory on /dev/hda3. But then, in the next statement, I'm

yes

 associating it with /dev/hda4!

right

/mnt/
   |
   +- gentoo/  this is a mountpoint (bolt hole) on /dev/hda3
#mount /dev/hda4 /mnt/gentoo  (here's the bolt)
|
+ usr/  this is a normal directory
|
+ boot/  further bolt hole
 # mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/gentoo/boot
(with bolt from here on)

Well, every normal directory can act as a bolt hole. If it contains
something when you screw the bolt in (mount something) the content of
the directory will be hidden (that's why the commands weren't found).

 
 Another question:
 Now that I've got an unused /dev/hda4 partition, what should I mount on
 it? I can't mount /usr onto it cause /usr already exists on the root
 partition  is full of stuff. Can I just invent any old name for
 mounting (like say, /home), and then use it for storing data?

yes

 
 Sorry for the naive questions, but I'm trying to get my head around some
 of these concepts...

Don't worry, we all began some (ancient ;) time ago.

 
 Best regards,
 Assaf
 
 
   
 

Regards
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

2005-08-24 Thread Frank Schafer
further questions / info.

Seems PureBasic is a direct dependency for all programs compiled with
it. They will probably use the shared library which comes with
PureBasic.

I wonder ...
There is a static library amongst the PureBasic binary too. Maybe
PureBasic compiles the way VisualBasic up to version 5 did. Making a
data block from the source leaving the source itself intact, linking a
library with a small starting code (the interpreter) letting the
executable interpreting the data block inside itself.

... that would stand for real speed ... interpreting ...


Further 0,02$
Frank


On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:25 +0200, Frank Schafer wrote:
 right, and that means we have to study PB's syntax ... what I'm doing
 just now if I have some time.
 
 PB itself is probably written in C. A compiler with less than 140kB IMHO
 isn't written in C++.
 
 BTW: Have a look at ``strings pbcompiler | more''!
 It's VEERY interesting. Seems pbcompiler simply maps BASIC
 instructions to assembler mnemonics.
 
 :-)))
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] gforce4 and gensplash

2005-08-24 Thread Alexander Kirillov

Can I make gensplash to work with gforce4?


yes


Hi Matan,
That's good news. Thanks.
What fb driver are you using?
I've tried with vesafb which was working well
with my onboard i810 chip without success.
Thanks,
Sasha

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[gentoo-user] Strange udev Error on boot

2005-08-24 Thread Ryan Viljoen
Hi

I am getting a strange error on boot when udev runs. Could anyone give
me some insight as to what the problem is?


Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd76, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd76: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd76, sector 4294964848
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd76: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd76, sector 4294964848
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd77: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd77, sector 4294965120
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd77: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd77, sector 4294965120
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd77: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd77, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd77: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd77, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd77: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd77, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd77: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd77, sector 4294964848
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd77: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd77, sector 4294964848
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd78: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd78, sector 4294965120
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd78: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd78, sector 4294965120
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd78: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd78, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd78: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd78, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd78: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd78, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd78: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd78, sector 4294964848
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd78: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd78, sector 4294964848
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd79: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd79, sector 4294965120
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd79: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd79, sector 4294965120
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd79: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd79, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd79: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd79, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd79: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd79, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd79: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd79, sector 4294964848
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd79: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd79, sector 4294964848
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd8: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd8, sector 4294965120
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd8: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd8, sector 4294965120
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd8: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd8, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd8: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd8, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd8: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd8, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd8: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd8, sector 4294964848
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd8: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd8, sector 4294964848
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd80: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd80, sector 4294965120
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd80: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd80, sector 4294965120
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd80: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd80, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd80: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd80, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd80: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd80, sector 4294964992
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] nbd80: Request when not-ready
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] end_request: I/O error, dev nbd80, sector 4294964848
Aug 24 12:08:49 [kernel] 

RE: [gentoo-user] newbie install - emerge: command not found

2005-08-24 Thread Michael Kintzios
 -Original Message-
 From: Frank Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 24 August 2005 09:59
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] newbie install - emerge: command not found
 
 
 On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:32 +0200, Assaf Urieli wrote:
  Neil Bothwick wrote:
  
  On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:52:22 +0200, Assaf Urieli wrote:

  
  In fact, I'm not even quite sure that I understand the 
  whole concept of
  mounting...
  When I type:
  # mount -t ext3 /dev/hda3 /mnt/gentoo
  Does the /mnt/gentoo directory already exist somewhere? If 
  it didn't, I
  imagine this statement would throw an error. But where can 
  it exist if
  it isn't yet associated with any partition (i.e. /dev/hda3)?
 
 First: it has to exist
 Second: you imagine right
 Third: A bolt hole can exist without a bolt in it, can't it?

Perhaps it would help if you for a minute try to break the assumed and
transparent (from a M$Windoze user perspective) linkage between
filesystem components (e.g. a directory like /mnt/gentoo) and device
components (e.g. a partition like /dev/hda3).  The physical device which
contains actual data will only be connected to the software entity of a
directory, after it is mounted (linked) to it by means of # mount
device path.  After that linkage (mounting) is established your OS
can access and read the data stored on that device.

 
  # mkdir /mnt/gentoo/boot
  Where am I making this directory? I would assume this 
  statement creates the directory on /dev/hda3. 

Not as you understand it:  directories are software entities, /dev/hda3
is a physical device (hardware).  In other words, you are creating a
subdirectory within your /mnt/gentoo directory - a software path in your
filesystem.  As long as your /mnt/gentoo directory has been linked to
the physical device of /dev/hda3 then this
directory/subdirectory/.../files structure and its contents will be
stored (saved) in the mounted /dev/hda3.

  But then, in the next statement, I'm 
  associating it with /dev/hda4!

OK, if you were to mount your /dev/hda4 to your /mnt/gentoo/usr then any
relevant data produced thereafter will no longer be stored on the
previously mounted device (/dev/hda3), but on the newly mounted
/dev/hda4.

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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Fernando Canizo
El 24/ago/2005 a las 04:01 -0300, Jonas me decía:
 Second, the whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems. Meaning, a
 solution not involving the Internet... =)
 If you're refering to the fact that the person doesn't have an internet 
 connection when he wants to view this information throught the emerge 
 interface, then you're wrong. When you want to install or you're just 
 searching for a package you're using the emerge interface , when you 
 need more info you have to 1) open your browser 2) type in the url (if 
 you're lucky you know the url or it's in your browsers cache) 3) search 
 for the package on the website , while instead you could just do 
 something like emerge --desc package. Now what's quicker and makes more 
 sence ?

Exactly! That's what i'm refering to. It's not an issues of connection it's an
issue of lazyness! It's like: -- hey what are you doing this weekend? -- don't
know, it's cold and raining, i think i'm gonna sit in my throne and check what's
new on 'app-vim' to improve my vimyness, if find something interesting i'll
check the package webpage.

For now i'm using 'questo':
=== script 
#!/bin/bash
# lun may  2 20:57:24 ART 2005
# conan - GPLed
#
# script to check for apps on rainy sunday morning

BASE_DIR=/usr/portage/

[ $# -ne 1 ]  echo Uso: questo category  exit 0

cd $BASE_DIR$1
for package in * ; do
eix ^$paquete\$
echo Looking for: $1/$paquete. ENTER to continue...
read
done
=== end script 

Now i took sugestion from Ciaran to look in metadata.xml, i check a couple by
hand and see the 'longdesc' field but... with short descriptions! Now maybe i
just choose two with bad luck, but i got a feeling that gentoo maintainers
doesn't like to provide longdesc, although there is the posibility.

I was thinking of doing a little script that gives longdesc found in metadata to
confirm this, but since i don't know nothing about xml, think it gonna take a
little bit more that if there were already an application to check 
'metadata.xml'
fields. 'emerge', 'equery' and 'eix' wich are the administration tools i use
everyday don't say nothing about this, i think all of them use de description
field in ebuilds. I wonder if somebody knows another app to do this?

If not, the idea of the script is more less this:
lslongdesc package|category|all

where:
- 'package' gives longdesc of package
- 'category' gives longdesc of all packages in category
- and 'all' gives them all flooding your screen with info you never gonna eat...
  but that is there.

It's so simple that i'm sure there must be an app (or compound of them) that
already do this.

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Re: [gentoo-user] newbie install - emerge: command not found

2005-08-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:32:00 +0200, Assaf Urieli wrote:

 In fact, I'm not even quite sure that I understand the whole concept of
 mounting...
 When I type:
 # mount -t ext3 /dev/hda3 /mnt/gentoo
 Does the /mnt/gentoo directory already exist somewhere? If it didn't, I
 imagine this statement would throw an error. But where can it exist if
 it isn't yet associated with any partition (i.e. /dev/hda3)?

It must exist, and it exists as a normal directory within /mnt.

 # mkdir /mnt/gentoo/boot
 Where am I making this directory? I would assume this statement creates
 the directory on /dev/hda3. But then, in the next statement, I'm
 associating it with /dev/hda4!

You are creating it in whatever filesystem contains /mnt/gentoo. At this
point, it is simply an empty directory in that filesystem. Only when you
mount it does it have any content.

Actually, a mount point can have content of its own, which becomes
invisible when another filesystem is mounted on it. For
example, in Gentoo /mnt/cdrom normally contains a single file
called .keep, which you no longer see when you mount a CD, you see the
contents of that disc instead. When you unmount the CD, the underlying
directory becomes visible again and you can see .keep.

 Now that I've got an unused /dev/hda4 partition, what should I mount on
 it? I can't mount /usr onto it cause /usr already exists on the root
 partition  is full of stuff. Can I just invent any old name for
 mounting (like say, /home), and then use it for storing data?

Yes, and you could also mount /usr on it. 

mkdir /mnt/tmp
mount /dev/hda4 /mnt/tmp
rsync -a /usr/ /mnt/tmp/
umount /mnt/tmp
mount /dev/hda4 /usr
mount --bind / /mnt/tmp
rm -fr /mnt/tmp/usr/*
umount /mnt/tmp


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Re: [gentoo-user] Downloading packages from a txt file

2005-08-24 Thread Fernando Canizo
El 24/ago/2005 a las 02:36 -0300, Nick me decía:
 Seriously this time:
 
 How about changing your strategy to this:
 
 Get a list of the packages you want to update from the target machine.
 something like:
 
 emerge -uDp world|grep ebuild|awk '{print($4)}'packlist
 
 take packlist to the connected machine and type:
 
 for package in `cat packlist` ; do DISTDIR=/where/ever/i/want emerge
 --nodeps -f =$package; done
 
 The files will then be in /where/ever/i/want and you can put them on a
 cd or whatever method you are using and take them away.
 
 --nodeps will make sure that your connected host doesn't substitute its
 own idea of what the deps are (perhaps based on different USE flags)

Could work, but i think he says he has debian in connected machine.

(hasn't?)

Anyway i would be great if 'emerge' has clean option like
'--print-uris' from apt-get so one could just use 'wget' or whatever
they find on connected machine. Other idea could be to have a script
that downloads the gentoo-way using what emerge print now, checking
mirrors, etc. Like a tiny version of emerge.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

2005-08-24 Thread Nick Rout
Right Markus I have written an ebuild that installs the package and it
works, although I am not sure if its how a pro would have done it.

It downloads the compiled version 1.0.0 from sourceforge (can't test it
on 1.0.1 or 1.0.2 until you put them on sourceforge.) Once you have done
that, and I have tested it, I'll make it available for others to test.

Basically it downloads the compiled tarball and installs the executable
(laby) and the support files (sounds.pak, highscores.dat, graphics.pak)
to /usr/lib/laby/ It puts a script into /usr/games/bin. The script
simple cd's to /usr/lib/laby and them executes laby. (It seems to need
to be executed from the same directory the support files are in, makes
sense really)

Comments on my chosen file locations would be appreciated. They are easy
enough to change.

It also installs the readme.txt to /usr/share/doc/laby-1.0.0 (this is a
gentoo standard location for documentation). If people think I should it
can also put readme_waffen.txt and readme_zauber.txt into the same
place, but as I don't know german i am unsure if they are really
helpful, or just take up space :-)


On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 20:49 +1200, Nick Rout wrote:
 Markus, you just keep working on the program and make sure you upload it
 to sourceforge, I'll do the ebuilds :-)
 
 On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:06 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote:
  Okay, but this means to me that it makes no real difference if I upload it 
  to 
  2 destinations all the time.
  I am living in Argentina and my internet connection here is very slow :-(
  
  When we have to write a special file (ebuild) anyway so I would suggest to 
  rename the funny name the server is giving us.
  We just have to insert a variable which contains the actual version.
  
  Saves me a lot of time.
  And I want to concentrate my efforts on making laby better and not other 
  stuff.
  
  There is still a lot to to. And I want to beat the Windows version as soon 
  as 
  possible!
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

2005-08-24 Thread Matan Peled
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Markus Döbele wrote:
 The code I think is not the problem. But I think it is still a lot of work.
 By the way I don't like C too much (we had a C Version once and only 
 encountered problems all the time :-( Buffer overflows and all this nice 
 stuff is a big problem of this language!)
 
 Maybe a C Fan is reading this and likes to do it. 
 
 I started as a Assembler Programmer on the Atari ST (68000 Rulez!!!)
 But all this is too much effort. Purebasic has a very syntax and for a basic 
 dialect a very good performance.

Well, the code IS the problem. As you see, Nick Rout has already made an ebuild,
but the code is a real problem.

Lets deal with the most obvious problem with not being able to compile your
sourcecode - Archs different than x86. PureBasic seems to be able to compile for
Windows, AmigaOS, and Linux/x86. What about Linux/PPC (Linux on Apple) users?
Theres quite a few of them. They can't run your game without an emulator...

Yes, is pretty low-level, and you have to take care of your own memory... But
coming from an assembler you should be used to this, right?

Anyway, I can perfectly understand your aversion from C...

The best languages to write a cross-platform application with are (I'm
probably going to get flamed missing some, but anyway) C, C++, Java, Python, and
Perl.

Ruling out C (you don't like it), C++ (Too much like C, and we don't need OO
anyway), Java (Too bloody slow), we are left with the interpreted languages,
Python and Perl.

I would suggest Python, as it has a very nice syntax and is quite easy to pick
up. Its slower than asm/c, but it may be faster than you expect.

Overall, I suggest using C and SDL, coupled with a good debugger (gdb is good,
and I hear valgrind is bloody awesome for memory related issues), but if you
decide you don't want it, Python is good too.

Binary packages are fine, but generally considered to be evil.

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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc seg faults very often

2005-08-24 Thread Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales
I'll test the memory chip on another computer and see if it works...

2005/8/23, Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Wednesday 24 August 2005 02:16, Raphael Melo de Oliveira Bastos Sales
 wrote:
  Yes, I found a kernel patch that does that. It allocates all the bad
  memory sectors in kernel space permanetely, so they can't be used.
  But, I found it too late. The memory is so bad now that it doesn't
  even tries to boot. It just stops after detecting all IDE devices.
  Gonna have to buy new memory boards...
 
 
 when your ram becomes worse in some few days, there is a great chance, that
 not the ram, but the PSU is the culprit.
 
 When a PSU is becoming weak, it is not able to hold the voltages at sufficient
 levels - lockups and ram-errors are then common problems.
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[gentoo-user] mail in $HOME/.maildir, why ???

2005-08-24 Thread Jarry

Hi,

I'm using sendmail as my mail-server, and I noticed, that mail for
users is stored in $HOME/.maildir, not in /var/spool/mail.
And each mail is stored as separate file, not all in one file.
WHY???

Some mail clients does not look for new mail in $HOME/.maildir
with default settings (for example elm, only with -f).

Moreover, I expected that all mail will be in /var/spool/mail, so
I created /var relatively big and now I see that it is almost empty.

Even my pop3 server does not look for new mail in $HOME/.maildir,
so no user can download his mail throught pop3...

How can I force my mailserver to use /var/spool/mail?

Jarry
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[gentoo-user] font problems after following instructions in gentoo wiki

2005-08-24 Thread Allan Gottlieb
Summary: After following the instructions in the Xorg and fonts wiki
the default firefox font is awful (the combination at especially).
Workaround is simple; should I file a bug or have I erred?

Details:

I followed basically all the instructions in the Xorg and fonts gentoo
wiki (my files are given below) including those for firefox (I don't
use thunderbird).  The default serif font settings for firefox in the
wiki are Bitstream Vera Serif at 16 pixels.  With this default font
and size many pages look awful.  Specifically, the letter t seems to
be too far left and for sure the combination at is partially
superimposed.  For example, viewing http://cs.nyu.edu/~gottlieb with
this font and size is bad.

If I change the size to 15 or 17 or change the font to say century
schoolbook L (with size 16), the problem disappears.

Have I messed up the settings or should I fill a bug?  If the latter,
where is the appropriate bug site for this?

thanks,
allan

 /etc/fonts/local.conf 

?xml version=1.0?
!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM fonts.dtd
!-- /etc/fonts/local.conf file for local customizations --

!-- AJG: Changes by allan following the gentoo wiki --

fontconfig

!--  Enable sub-pixel rendering --
match target=font
test qual=all name=rgba
constunknown/const
/test
edit name=rgba mode=assignconstrgb/const/edit
/match


!-- Use the Autohinter --

match target=font
edit name=autohint mode=assignbooltrue/bool/edit
/match

!-- Disable Autohinting for bold fonts --

match target=font
test name=weight compare=more
constmedium/const
/test
edit name=autohint mode=assignboolfalse/bool/edit
/match

!-- Exclude/Include a range of fonts for Anti Aliasing --



!-- See wiki for what this is and why it is commented out --
!--

 match target=font
test qual=any name=size compare=more
 double9/double
 /test
 test qual=any name=size compare=less
 double14/double
 /test
 edit name=antialias mode=assign
 booltrue/bool
 /edit
 /match

--

!-- Use this if you have some fonts in a nonstandard directory --
!--

 dir/home/david/extrafonts/dir

--

/fontconfig

!-- Local Variables: --
!-- mode: sgml --
!-- End: --

 /etc/X11/xorg.conf 

[snip]

# DisplaySize (in mm) important for fonts (so says gentoo font wiki)

DisplaySize 409 307

[snip]

# Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (which are concatenated together),
# as well as specifying multiple comma-separated entries in one FontPath
# command (or a combination of both methods)

# For XFS, uncomment this and comment the others
# FontPath  unix/:-1
FontPath/usr/share/fonts/misc:unscaled
FontPath/usr/share/fonts/Type1
FontPath/usr/share/fonts/TTF
FontPath/usr/share/fonts/corefonts
FontPath/usr/share/fonts/freefont
FontPath/usr/share/fonts/sharefonts
FontPath/usr/share/fonts/terminus
FontPath/usr/share/fonts/ttf-bitstream-vera
FontPath/usr/share/fonts/unifont
FontPath/usr/share/fonts/75dpi:unscaled
FontPath/usr/share/fonts/100dpi:unscaled
FontPath/usr/share/fonts/artwiz
FontPath/usr/share/fonts/CID/
FontPath/usr/share/fonts/Speedo/
FontPath/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/
FontPath/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/
FontPath/usr/share/fonts/cyrillic
FontPath/usr/share/fonts/ukr
FontPath/usr/share/fonts/local/

# ModulePath can be used to set a search path for the X server modules.
# The default path is shown here.

#ModulePath /usr/X11R6/lib/modules

EndSection

# **
# Module section -- this is an optional section which is used to specify
# which run-time loadable modules to load when the X server starts up.
# **

Section Module

Loaddbe

# Load the glx module we obtained from nvidia
Loadglx

# This loads the miscellaneous extensions module, and disables
# initialisation of the XFree86-DGA extension within that module.

SubSection  extmod
EndSubSection

Loadtype1
Loadfreetype

# Load the synaptics driver from synaptics ebuild.
Loadsynaptics

EndSection

 ~/.fonts.conf 

No such file

 # Mozilla User Preferences

/* Do not edit this file.
 *
 * If you make changes to this file while the browser is running,
 * the changes will be overwritten when the browser exits.
 *
 * To make a manual change to preferences, you can visit the URL about:config
 * For more information, see http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html#prefs
 */

[snip]


[gentoo-user] Problems emerging gcompris

2005-08-24 Thread cothrige
I recently emerged gcompris to see if my Kindergarten son could
benefit from some decent Linux apps, but I cannot get it to work.  I
saw no complaints during the emerge, such as configure errors, but it
just goes nowhere.  When run I get this:

** Message: gcompris_set_locale ''


** (gcompris:27603): WARNING **: Requested locale '' got 'C'
Opened audio at 44100 Hz 16 bit stereo, 2048 bytes audio buffer
Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)


I really don't know what this means, and a google search returned
nothing relevant.  Any ideas or help is greatly appreciated.

Patrick
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[gentoo-user] Re: Strange udev Error on boot

2005-08-24 Thread Alvin A ONeal Jr

Ryan,

Looks like you're using Network Block Devices? Did you mean to do this? 
If you did, then perhaps the machines which host the nbds are not ready?


I don't know much about nbd, just the name really, but that would be my 
best guess.


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Re: [gentoo-user] mail in $HOME/.maildir, why ???

2005-08-24 Thread Christoph Gysin

Jarry wrote:

I'm using sendmail as my mail-server, and I noticed, that mail for
users is stored in $HOME/.maildir, not in /var/spool/mail.
And each mail is stored as separate file, not all in one file.
WHY???


It's called the maildir mail storage format. I find it very useful, especially 
with big mailboxes...



Some mail clients does not look for new mail in $HOME/.maildir
with default settings (for example elm, only with -f).


Your mailreader must support maildir to read mails from it, of course. But yours 
seems to do it (with -f), so that's not really a problem, is it?



Moreover, I expected that all mail will be in /var/spool/mail, so
I created /var relatively big and now I see that it is almost empty.


Well, normally your /home isn't that small, so that shouldn't be a problem 
too...


Even my pop3 server does not look for new mail in $HOME/.maildir,
so no user can download his mail throught pop3...


Again, use a pop3 server which supports maildir, and everything is fine.


How can I force my mailserver to use /var/spool/mail?


You could add mbox to your useflags and emerge sendmail. If you *really* want to 
use mbox...


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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Michael Crute
First of all, sorry about top posting that's the way Gmail does it and you cant change the settings. 

Also if you are looking for a lazy man's way of getting a package
description try `emerge -s packagename` and it prints out a lot of
information as well as a short description of the package. I have never
seen a long description such as those used to build Debian packages
anywhere in portage and don't really think it would be useful anyhow.
So try emerge -s and if you need more info go to the packae's website.
That would be my advice. Oh, and emerge -s works off the metadata so
you dint need an Internet connection.

-Mike. On 8/24/05, Fernando Canizo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
El 24/ago/2005 a las 04:01 -0300, Jonas me decía: Second, the whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems. Meaning, a solution not involving the Internet... =) If you're refering to the fact that the person doesn't have an internet
 connection when he wants to view this information throught the emerge interface, then you're wrong. When you want to install or you're just searching for a package you're using the emerge interface , when you
 need more info you have to 1) open your browser 2) type in the url (if you're lucky you know the url or it's in your browsers cache) 3) search for the package on the website , while instead you could just do
 something like emerge --desc package. Now what's quicker and makes more sence ?Exactly! That's what i'm refering to. It's not an issues of connection it's anissue of lazyness! It's like: -- hey what are you doing this weekend? -- don't
know, it's cold and raining, i think i'm gonna sit in my throne and check what'snew on 'app-vim' to improve my vimyness, if find something interesting i'llcheck the package webpage.For now i'm using 'questo':
=== script #!/bin/bash# lun may2 20:57:24 ART 2005# conan - GPLed## script to check for apps on rainy sunday morningBASE_DIR=/usr/portage/[ $# -ne 1 ]  echo Uso: questo category  exit 0
cd $BASE_DIR$1for package in * ; doeix ^$paquete\$echo Looking for: $1/$paquete. ENTER to continue...readdone=== end script Now i took sugestion from Ciaran to look in 
metadata.xml, i check a couple byhand and see the 'longdesc' field but... with short descriptions! Now maybe ijust choose two with bad luck, but i got a feeling that gentoo maintainersdoesn't like to provide longdesc, although there is the posibility.
I was thinking of doing a little script that gives longdesc found in metadata toconfirm this, but since i don't know nothing about xml, think it gonna take alittle bit more that if there were already an application to check '
metadata.xml'fields. 'emerge', 'equery' and 'eix' wich are the administration tools i useeveryday don't say nothing about this, i think all of them use de descriptionfield in ebuilds. I wonder if somebody knows another app to do this?
If not, the idea of the script is more less this:lslongdesc package|category|allwhere:- 'package' gives longdesc of package- 'category' gives longdesc of all packages in category- and 'all' gives them all flooding your screen with info you never gonna eat...
but that is there.It's so simple that i'm sure there must be an app (or compound of them) thatalready do this.--Fernando Canizo - http://www.lugmen.org.ar/~conan/
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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread David Morgan
On 8/24/05, Michael Crute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 First of all, sorry about top posting that's the way Gmail does it and you
 cant change the settings. 
  

S**t, look at this. I'm using gmail and not top posting.

Just how stupid are you that you can't move the cursor to the bottom
of the message?

 Also if you are looking for a lazy man's way of getting a package description 
 try `emerge  -s packagename` and it prints out a lot of information as well 
 as a short description of the  package. I have never seen a long description 
 such as those used to build Debian  
 packages anywhere in portage and don't really think it would be useful 
 anyhow. So try 
 emerge -s and if you need more info go to the packae's website. That would be 
 my 
 advice. Oh, and emerge -s works off the metadata so you dint need an Internet 
 connection.

How completely pointless. The OP knows about emerge -s and he knows he
can look at the package's website.

Even worse, you're wrong. emerge -s doesn't look in metadata.xml, it
gets the information from the ebuild.

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RE: [gentoo-user] mail in $HOME/.maildir, why ???

2005-08-24 Thread Michael Kintzios


 -Original Message-
 From: Christoph Gysin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 24 August 2005 15:00
 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] mail in $HOME/.maildir, why ???
 
 
 Jarry wrote:
  I'm using sendmail as my mail-server, and I noticed, that mail for
  users is stored in $HOME/.maildir, not in /var/spool/mail.
  And each mail is stored as separate file, not all in one file.
  WHY???
 
 It's called the maildir mail storage format. I find it very 
 useful, especially 
 with big mailboxes...

[snip]
 You could add mbox to your useflags and emerge sendmail. If 
 you *really* want to 
 use mbox...

Could you please share any other benefits/disbenefits of the two
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strange udev Error on boot

2005-08-24 Thread Ryan Viljoen
Yeah *blush* in a moments stupidity it would seem that I had compiled
it into the kernel. As for suspecting it was udev well that was a wild
guess as well as seeing the dev part and the errors occuring after it
was started hehe. Anyway I have recompiled the kernel with it removed
and its all sorted now.

Anyway not my proudest moment.

Thanks
Alvin

On 8/24/05, Alvin A ONeal Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ryan,
 
 Looks like you're using Network Block Devices? Did you mean to do this?
 If you did, then perhaps the machines which host the nbds are not ready?
 
 I don't know much about nbd, just the name really, but that would be my
 best guess.
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] mail in $HOME/.maildir, why ???

2005-08-24 Thread A. Khattri
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Jarry wrote:

 Personally I do not see any advantage of it over /var/spool/mail.
 On the other side, separate partitions for /var (with mail) and /home
 (with user files) let me define different quotas for mail and files.
 Well, at least I thought it, until I found out that mail is actually
 in /home too...

There have been many discussions for years about how maildir is superior
to mbox format... Im sure Google will help you find them.

 Not for me, but for my users. Now I have to go through each mailreader
 and find out how to force it reading mails from .maildir

There is probably a global config file for most mailers.

 BTW, if some users do not have $HOME, where their .maildir will be???

Not all email systems use /var/mail or $HOME, qmail+vpopmail stores email
for everyone under /home/vpopmail/domains for example.

  You could add mbox to your useflags and emerge sendmail. If you *really*
  want to use mbox...

 That seem to me to be much easier. First I will find some info about it,
 but if there is no substantial advantage in using maildirs instead of
 /var/sool/mail, I will switch to the old mail storage system...

We had all sorts of performance problems with mbox format - it is not
scaleable, bigger mboxes produce huge loads on the server. I should also
mention that maildir is inherently safer over NFS than mbox.

Its clear from your posting that you have yet to experience the problems
that have caused a lot of server administrators to abandon mbox format.


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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread David Morgan
On 10:39 Wed 24 Aug , Michael Crute wrote:
 Hey buddy go troll on somebody else's thread.
 
 -Mike

Seriously, just press the down key a few times before you start typing.

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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Daniel da Veiga
You know bud, read some rules, be polite.

If you have nothing good to say, say NOTHING!.

Do you really THINK before replying? Have you added something to the
question? Care more about WHAT people write than WHERE is it written,
you'll be more happy. Comments like yours are good for old usenet
users, and pointless today.

On 8/24/05, David Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 8/24/05, Michael Crute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  First of all, sorry about top posting that's the way Gmail does it and you
  cant change the settings.
 
 
 S**t, look at this. I'm using gmail and not top posting.
 
 Just how stupid are you that you can't move the cursor to the bottom
 of the message?
 
  Also if you are looking for a lazy man's way of getting a package 
  description try `emerge  -s packagename` and it prints out a lot of 
  information as well as a short description of the  package. I have never 
  seen a long description such as those used to build Debian
  packages anywhere in portage and don't really think it would be useful 
  anyhow. So try
  emerge -s and if you need more info go to the packae's website. That would 
  be my
  advice. Oh, and emerge -s works off the metadata so you dint need an 
  Internet
  connection.
 
 How completely pointless. The OP knows about emerge -s and he knows he
 can look at the package's website.
 
 Even worse, you're wrong. emerge -s doesn't look in metadata.xml, it
 gets the information from the ebuild.
 
 Dave
 

To the point, I never really had to read long descs provided at the
website to have a good glance on what the program is, the fact that
the desc showed in emerge -s is short doesn't make it less clear, in
fact, it has all that matters. People searching with emerge usually
KNOW what they're looking for.

On the other hand, it wouldn't hurt to have a long description of the
app somewhere available offline (like the universal CD, for example).
I'm pretty sure they can use the same system of the website to provide
this offline (but is it worth the trouble?).

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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Jonas Geiregat

Fernando Canizo wrote:


El 24/ago/2005 a las 04:01 -0300, Jonas me decía:
 


Second, the whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems. Meaning, a
solution not involving the Internet... =)
 

If you're refering to the fact that the person doesn't have an internet 
connection when he wants to view this information throught the emerge 
interface, then you're wrong. When you want to install or you're just 
searching for a package you're using the emerge interface , when you 
need more info you have to 1) open your browser 2) type in the url (if 
you're lucky you know the url or it's in your browsers cache) 3) search 
for the package on the website , while instead you could just do 
something like emerge --desc package. Now what's quicker and makes more 
sence ?
   



Exactly! That's what i'm refering to. It's not an issues of connection it's an
issue of lazyness! It's like: -- hey what are you doing this weekend? -- don't
know, it's cold and raining, i think i'm gonna sit in my throne and check what's
new on 'app-vim' to improve my vimyness, if find something interesting i'll
check the package webpage.

 


What kind of a computer user are you ?
Really what a stupid remark , kinda foolish to say it's a bad idea to 
implement this feature just because there are other slower less direct 
methods for accomplishing a task !


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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Jonas Geiregat

Michael Crute wrote:

First of all, sorry about top posting that's the way Gmail does it and 
you cant change the settings.


Also if you are looking for a lazy man's way of getting a package 
description try `emerge -s packagename` and it prints out a lot of 
information as well as a short description of the package. I have 
never seen a long description such as those used to build Debian 
packages anywhere in portage and don't really think it would be useful 
anyhow. So try emerge -s and if you need more info go to the packae's 
website. That would be my advice. Oh, and emerge -s works off the 
metadata so you dint need an Internet connection.



Please stay on topic , that's for all of you !
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[gentoo-user] /dev read,write problem

2005-08-24 Thread Jonas Geiregat
When I startup my system I need to loing as root and run chmod a+rw 
/dev/* else I have problems login in or starting multiple shells I'm 
using udev anyone got any idea what could cause the problem ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] very OT (was: why gentoo doesn't have long description?)

2005-08-24 Thread Christoph Gysin

Daniel da Veiga wrote:

You know bud, read some rules, be polite.

If you have nothing good to say, say NOTHING!.

Do you really THINK before replying? Have you added something to the
question? Care more about WHAT people write than WHERE is it written,
you'll be more happy. Comments like yours are good for old usenet
users, and pointless today.


Please stop that. All of you.

- You shall not top-post.
- You shall not yell at people caught top-posting.
- You shall not yell at people yelling at people caught top-posting.
- ...

If you don't want to receive mail from certain people, have a look at 
/usr/portage/mail-filter. But do not flood the list with rants about other users...


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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread David Morgan
On 11:57 Wed 24 Aug , Daniel da Veiga wrote:
 You know bud, read some rules, be polite.
 
 If you have nothing good to say, say NOTHING!.
 
 Do you really THINK before replying? Have you added something to the
 question? Care more about WHAT people write than WHERE is it written,
 you'll be more happy. Comments like yours are good for old usenet
 users, and pointless today.
 

I told him how to stop top posting though. I also told him that some of
the information he had given was incorrect. I was just dumbfounded by
his stupidity, sorry.

 To the point, I never really had to read long descs provided at the
 website to have a good glance on what the program is, the fact that
 the desc showed in emerge -s is short doesn't make it less clear, in
 fact, it has all that matters. People searching with emerge usually
 KNOW what they're looking for.
 

Some of them are better/clearer/more informative than others, but I
guess that that's a separate issue.

 On the other hand, it wouldn't hurt to have a long description of the
 app somewhere available offline (like the universal CD, for example).
 I'm pretty sure they can use the same system of the website to provide
 this offline (but is it worth the trouble?).
 

The ones that are available are available 'offline' (i.e. in the portage
tree), as stated earlier in this thread. 

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Re: [gentoo-user] mail in $HOME/.maildir, why ???

2005-08-24 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:28:08 +0200, Jarry wrote:

  It's called the maildir mail storage format. I find it very useful, 
 
 Personally I do not see any advantage of it over /var/spool/mail.
 On the other side, separate partitions for /var (with mail) and /home
 (with user files) let me define different quotas for mail and files.
 Well, at least I thought it, until I found out that mail is actually
 in /home too...

You can have maildir and still keep your mail in /var/spool/mail. In this
case, each user has a directory in /var/spool/mail.

Are you using procmail for delivery? If so, you need 

MAILDIR=/var/spool/mail
DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/$LOGNAME/

at the top of /etc/procmailrc


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Re: [gentoo-user] About firefox

2005-08-24 Thread Luigi Pinna
Alle 03:48, mercoledì 24 agosto 2005, Holly Bostick ha scritto:

 /opt/firefox/plugins??? How did you install Firefox? Does the -bin
 ebuild install to /opt (I compile mine)? Even so, it seems weird that
 the -bin ebuild would have a completely different filetree from the
 compiled version... the only way I know (unless the -bin ebuild does
 install to /opt) to install Firefox to /opt (under Gentoo) is to use
 the Linux installer on the Mozilla site.

I installed firefox from portage, but I have 2 versions: precompiled and 
compiled.
The problem is that flash plug-in doesn't work in 64 bit mode (I have a 
amd64) and I must install a 32 bit version to use it.

 Firefox isn't looking in /opt/firefox/plugins for its plugins,
 apparently, or is unable to use what it finds there. Why, I don't
 know. Where it is in fact looking, I also don't know... but on my
 system, the mplayer plugin is installed in 2 places:

 /opt/netscape/plugins (which is probably a deprecated holdover from a
 previous version of something else, something old and not-too-bright)

 /usr/lib/nsbrowser/plugins
 (this folder is symlinked to /usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/plugins)

 You might try the following two commands to see if there are other
 directories that Firefox might be searching:

 locate firefox/plugins
 locate Firefox/plugins

Cinzia ~ # locate firefox/plugins
/opt/firefox/plugins
/opt/firefox/plugins/libnullplugin.so
/opt/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.so
/opt/firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.xpt
/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libnullplugin.so
/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.so
/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.xpt
Cinzia ~ # locate Firefox/plugins
/usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/plugins
Cinzia ~ # ll /usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/plugins
 /usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/plugins - /usr/lib64/nsbrowser/plugins


 Alternatively, what are the permissions on the plugin files you
 copied? It's possible that the user trying to run them doesn't have
 permissions to read the files-- i.e., root copied them to opt, but
 the regular user is an other (neither root nor a member of the
 group owning the files), and does not have the necessary permission
 to read the file when Firefox is opened and attempts to read the
 plugin files. Additionally, it's possible that the user only has
 permission to read the plugin, and needs read-write (my plugin is
 rwx-rwx-rwx, and I'm pretty sure I never touched them; I wasn't even
 aware of /usr/lib/nsbrowser until I started investigating this just
 now).

 Holly
I did the chmod 777 /opt/netscape/plugins/mplayerplug-in.* because:
ll /usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.*
/usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.so 
- /opt/netscape/plugins/mplayerplug-in.so
/usr/lib/MozillaFirefox/plugins/mplayerplug-in.xpt 
- /opt/netscape/plugins/mplayerplug-in.xpt

but it doesn't solve the problem!
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Re: [gentoo-user] Evolution 2.2.3 Filtering Time (Too Long!)

2005-08-24 Thread fire-eyes
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 09:06 +0800, W.Kenworthy wrote:
 3. use a compound filter rather than separate ones (this assumes there
 is less overhead doing this - subjectively it does seem quicker)

Thanks for the tips. The above one is the only one I don't really
understand, can you elaborate a bit?

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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Michael Crute
On 8/24/05, Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:| You know bud, read some rules, be polite.There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest
thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, butnot by much.--Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron)Mail: ciaranm at 
gentoo.orgWeb : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranmoff_topic
Right... guess this is my cue to shamefacedly tuck my tail between my
legs and go have a nice tasty crow sandwich. Sorry guys, I will be more
polite next time.
/off_topic
Also to clarify when I said metadata I was (mistakenly) talking about the metadata in the ebuilds. Again, my mistake.

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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Matan Peled
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 Right... guess this is my cue to shamefacedly tuck my tail between my
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 Also to clarify when I said metadata I was (mistakenly) talking about
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Ah, how ironic... Of course any reply to that message _HAD_ to be an HTML email
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

2005-08-24 Thread A. Khattri
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Markus [utf-8] Döbele wrote:

 The code I think is not the problem. But I think it is still a lot of work.
 By the way I don't like C too much (we had a C Version once and only
 encountered problems all the time :-( Buffer overflows and all this nice
 stuff is a big problem of this language!)

You mean it requires understanding pointers and attention to detail?

Yes it does.

An assembly programmer should find C easy (well I did anyway).

 I started as a Assembler Programmer on the Atari ST (68000 Rulez!!!)

I started on the 6502, then 68000 then 8086...

 But all this is too much effort. Purebasic has a very syntax and for a basic
 dialect a very good performance.

Shame BBC Basic isn't around anymore - it allowed you to mix assembler and
BASIC (and that basic at the time was one of the few that allowed
recursion ;-)


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[gentoo-user] what must be writable by portage

2005-08-24 Thread Konstantinos Agouros
Hello,

I have a number of gentoo systems and have a central /usr/portage that's
share by nfs. There are also binary packages that are shared and available
for all. The nfs-exports are read-only
If I set up a new machine and it only has read-only access from the be-
ginning I have no problems. However recently a machine was added that
was set up by itself and that one falls with read-only access on its face
when I try to emerge something. Mostly in the fixpackages part.

What do I need to reset to make this work more smoothly?

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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Michael Crute
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gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing listSigh...
no indeed I did not use HTML with any kind of funky quoting. The
message is encoded as multipart/alternative. There is a plain text
section and an HTML section. Configure your email client properly to
read whichever you want. It's the way Gmail does it, I use Gmail, I am
not going to turn off all the features in Gmail to appease the gods
that be on this list so just lay off or go yell at the dozens of other
people that commit these heinous crimes every day on this list.

For the love of Pete people stop hijacking threads to flame people. If
you don't like what someone is doing tell them personally (or better
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Re: [gentoo-user] what must be writable by portage

2005-08-24 Thread A. Khattri
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Konstantinos Agouros wrote:

 I have a number of gentoo systems and have a central /usr/portage that's
 share by nfs. There are also binary packages that are shared and available
 for all. The nfs-exports are read-only
 If I set up a new machine and it only has read-only access from the be-
 ginning I have no problems. However recently a machine was added that
 was set up by itself and that one falls with read-only access on its face
 when I try to emerge something. Mostly in the fixpackages part.

 What do I need to reset to make this work more smoothly?

Maybe the fact that the export is read-only?

Im sure fixpackages will want to write to files under portage

What do the errors say?


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Re: [gentoo-user] what must be writable by portage

2005-08-24 Thread A. Khattri
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Konstantinos Agouros wrote:

 I have a number of gentoo systems and have a central /usr/portage that's
 share by nfs. There are also binary packages that are shared and available
 for all. The nfs-exports are read-only
 If I set up a new machine and it only has read-only access from the be-
 ginning I have no problems. However recently a machine was added that
 was set up by itself and that one falls with read-only access on its face
 when I try to emerge something. Mostly in the fixpackages part.

 What do I need to reset to make this work more smoothly?

Maybe this will help:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Using_a_shared_portage_via_NFS


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[gentoo-user] stage files

2005-08-24 Thread John Jolet
Can someone point me to a reference that explains how to make your  
own stage files?  It seemed to me that the stage3 stage file was  
pretty much a bzipped tar file of an installed system.  Is this  
correct, or is there more to it?  I've got a working system that I  
now need to replicate exactly across 13 more.  I was thinking just  
tar up the install and use it as a stage file in the normal install.   
Is this naive?

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Re: [gentoo-user] mail in $HOME/.maildir, why ???

2005-08-24 Thread Jarry

Neil Bothwick wrote:


You can have maildir and still keep your mail in /var/spool/mail. In this
case, each user has a directory in /var/spool/mail.
Are you using procmail for delivery? If so, you need 
MAILDIR=/var/spool/mail

DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/$LOGNAME/
at the top of /etc/procmailrc


Hm, that sounds interesting. I really want to have mails on a separate
partition. Thanks for the tip, I will have a look at it...

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Re: [gentoo-user] stage files

2005-08-24 Thread Michael Crute
On 8/24/05, John Jolet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can someone point me to a reference that explains how to make yourown stage files?It seemed to me that the stage3 stage file waspretty much a bzipped tar file of an installed system.Is thiscorrect, or is there more to it?I've got a working system that I
now need to replicate exactly across 13 more.I was thinking justtar up the install and use it as a stage file in the normal install.Is this naive?--gentoo-user@gentoo.org
 mailing listI think what you want is partimage (http://www.partimage.org/).

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Re: [gentoo-user] stage files

2005-08-24 Thread John Jolet
I saw that and it's on my list of things to try, but I need to have this up 
and running by saturday.  That seemed like a great thing, but maybe less 
simple than just tarring up the package.  I definately think something like 
that going forward would be perfect, but is there a simpler short-term 
solution?  I'll go down the partimage path as well right now, though.

On Wednesday 24 August 2005 13:57, Michael Crute wrote:
 On 8/24/05, John Jolet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Can someone point me to a reference that explains how to make your
  own stage files? It seemed to me that the stage3 stage file was
  pretty much a bzipped tar file of an installed system. Is this
  correct, or is there more to it? I've got a working system that I
  now need to replicate exactly across 13 more. I was thinking just
  tar up the install and use it as a stage file in the normal install.
  Is this naive?
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 I think what you want is partimage (http://www.partimage.org/).

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Re: [gentoo-user] stage files

2005-08-24 Thread John Jolet
My apologies...on second look, this is very close to what I'm looking for, at 
least for the short term.

On Wednesday 24 August 2005 13:57, Michael Crute wrote:
 On 8/24/05, John Jolet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Can someone point me to a reference that explains how to make your
  own stage files? It seemed to me that the stage3 stage file was
  pretty much a bzipped tar file of an installed system. Is this
  correct, or is there more to it? I've got a working system that I
  now need to replicate exactly across 13 more. I was thinking just
  tar up the install and use it as a stage file in the normal install.
  Is this naive?
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 I think what you want is partimage (http://www.partimage.org/).

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

2005-08-24 Thread Uwe Thiem
On 24 August 2005 18:34, A. Khattri wrote:
 On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Markus [utf-8] Döbele wrote:
  The code I think is not the problem. But I think it is still a lot of
  work. By the way I don't like C too much (we had a C Version once and
  only encountered problems all the time :-( Buffer overflows and all this
  nice stuff is a big problem of this language!)

 You mean it requires understanding pointers and attention to detail?

 Yes it does.

 An assembly programmer should find C easy (well I did anyway).

  I started as a Assembler Programmer on the Atari ST (68000 Rulez!!!)

 I started on the 6502, then 68000 then 8086...

Donning my asbestos suit. Cannot resist the flamebait any more. I did 
assembler for 6502, Z80, 8085,... I am talking about real-world, commercial 
software with several MB of assembler source. Like software for driverless 
vehicles buzzing around in real plants among real workers.

That said, once man made fire by twisting a little twig between hands while 
pressing it to some other wood. I prefer matches or a lighter. Even when in 
the bush, I prefer some fire starters I can buy. Man (actually Woman in most 
cases) once carried water in calabashes on their heads for miles on end. I 
prefer pumps and pipes and taps. Programmers once punched their code and 
their data into punchcards, handed them in to the data centre and hoped all 
would go well. I prefer editors, IDEs, compilers and linkers. ;-)

Folks, we have got computing power on our desks that equals that of a medium 
sized data centre 10 years ago. Of course, I want the bloody computer and its 
tools to do all the sidetracking little tasks and concentrate myself on 
algorithms and data structures and user interfaces.

If I could find enough buddies and peers I would do most of my stuff in 
languages like smalltalk that take care of freeing memory, collecting garbage 
and such. Again: That said, I still use C/C++ for most of my stuff.

In short: Don't scuff someone who tries to avoid the pitfalls of C/C++ by 
using a language that does all those little things for them. Sure, I wouldn't 
use any dialect of basic but that is another issue.

Uwe
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Re: [gentoo-user] stage files

2005-08-24 Thread Michael Crute
On 8/24/05, John Jolet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I saw that and it's on my list of things to try, but I need to have this upand running by saturday.That seemed like a great thing, but maybe lesssimple than just tarring up the package.I definately think something like
that going forward would be perfect, but is there a simpler short-termsolution?I'll go down the partimage path as well right now, though.On Wednesday 24 August 2005 13:57, Michael Crute wrote: On 8/24/05, John Jolet 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Can someone point me to a reference that explains how to make your  own stage files? It seemed to me that the stage3 stage file was
  pretty much a bzipped tar file of an installed system. Is this  correct, or is there more to it? I've got a working system that I  now need to replicate exactly across 13 more. I was thinking just
  tar up the install and use it as a stage file in the normal install.  Is this naive?  --  gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
 I think what you want is partimage (http://www.partimage.org/). -Mike--John JoletYour On-Demand IT Department512-762-0729
www.jolet.net[EMAIL PROTECTED]--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing listI
don't see why you wouldn't be able to `tar -cjvf --preserve-permissions
--recursion mystage.tbz2 /`. Test it out with one machine first but I
think that should create your stage you will still have to install
GRUB or LILO though, everything else should be the same. Also make sure
you use -xvjpf when you extract it so it retains the file permissions.
Let me know if this works as I am in need of the same type of system.

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Re: [gentoo-user] stage files

2005-08-24 Thread John Jolet
That's what I was thinkingif you follow the handbook, but just substitute 
your stage file for the official one, then skip the kernel building and such, 
and in fact, the grub.conf file would be in the stageyou'd just have to 
do the grub install.  these are all IDENTICAL systems, so this should work.  
I'm looking into the partimage right now, but I think having the raw stuff in 
a tar file we could make a few changes without having to re-image the golden 
client.  my boss might like that ability (he has it now with his redhat 
stuff).

On Wednesday 24 August 2005 14:13, Michael Crute wrote:
 On 8/24/05, John Jolet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I saw that and it's on my list of things to try, but I need to have this
  up
  and running by saturday. That seemed like a great thing, but maybe less
  simple than just tarring up the package. I definately think something
  like that going forward would be perfect, but is there a simpler
  short-term solution? I'll go down the partimage path as well right now,
  though.
 
  On Wednesday 24 August 2005 13:57, Michael Crute wrote:
   On 8/24/05, John Jolet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can someone point me to a reference that explains how to make your
own stage files? It seemed to me that the stage3 stage file was
pretty much a bzipped tar file of an installed system. Is this
correct, or is there more to it? I've got a working system that I
now need to replicate exactly across 13 more. I was thinking just
tar up the install and use it as a stage file in the normal install.
Is this naive?
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 I don't see why you wouldn't be able to `tar -cjvf --preserve-permissions
 --recursion mystage.tbz2 /`. Test it out with one machine first but I think
 that should create your stage you will still have to install GRUB or LILO
 though, everything else should be the same. Also make sure you use -xvjpf
 when you extract it so it retains the file permissions. Let me know if this
 works as I am in need of the same type of system.

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[gentoo-user] migrating to gcc-3.4.4

2005-08-24 Thread Fernando Meira
I've decided to migrate to gcc-3.4.4, so I've emerged it, and switch
the system to use it instead the previous (gcc-3.3.5-20050130).

After that I am supposed to update my system packages, so when I run
# emerge -va system
I get:
[ebuild N ] sys-devel/patch-2.5.9 -build -static 197 kB 
[ebuild N ] app-arch/bzip2-1.0.3-r5 -build -static 0 kB 
[ebuild N ] app-arch/cpio-2.6-r4 +nls 0 kB 
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/texinfo-4.8 -build +nls -static 0 kB 
[ebuild N ] dev-lang/tcl-8.4.9 -threads 0 kB 
[ebuild N ] sys-devel/gnuconfig-20050324 0 kB 
[ebuild N ] sys-libs/readline-5.0-r2 0 kB 
(...)
All with N!! I understand that this is not a update.. will the old packages be overwritten?
It doesn't make sense to think that I'll have duplicate apps... but just for being sure.. :)

In the middle of that list are:
[ebuild N ] sys-devel/gcc-3.4.4
[ebuild N ] sys-devel/gcc-3.3.6

This will compile anew gcc-3.4.4, but this time using the new compiler. That's the point, right?
The old gcc version is still there.. I haven't unmerge it yet, cause I first want to check if all goes fine..

So, should I go ahead..?

Thanks,
Fernando


[gentoo-user] /home becoming readonly every night

2005-08-24 Thread Nick Rout
For somewhere between 3 days and a week I have been rising to find
that /home has become readonly overnight.

Basically I have to shut down X, manually kill all processes
accessing /home and then run

umount /home
mount /home

which fixes it until tomorrow morning.

I also tried mount /home -o remount,rw 

but was told that /dev/hdb1 was readonly - but it has the same
permissions as /dev/hda1.

Any clues as to where to from here? I cannot even seem to isolate what
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Re: [gentoo-user] /home becoming readonly every night

2005-08-24 Thread John Jolet
sounds like a cron job
On Wednesday 24 August 2005 14:59, Nick Rout wrote:
 For somewhere between 3 days and a week I have been rising to find
 that /home has become readonly overnight.

 Basically I have to shut down X, manually kill all processes
 accessing /home and then run

 umount /home
 mount /home

 which fixes it until tomorrow morning.

 I also tried mount /home -o remount,rw

 but was told that /dev/hdb1 was readonly - but it has the same
 permissions as /dev/hda1.

 Any clues as to where to from here? I cannot even seem to isolate what
 time this is happening.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

2005-08-24 Thread Markus Döbele
Yes purebasic is generating assembler code out of its commands.
Anders Anderson did the assembler stuff.

And he did a quite good job I think :-)


Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 10:25 schrieb Frank Schafer:
 right, and that means we have to study PB's syntax ... what I'm doing
 just now if I have some time.

 PB itself is probably written in C. A compiler with less than 140kB IMHO
 isn't written in C++.

 BTW: Have a look at ``strings pbcompiler | more''!
 It's VEERY interesting. Seems pbcompiler simply maps BASIC
 instructions to assembler mnemonics.

 :-)))

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  Well, of course. But it wasn't used before, rather PureBasic's one was
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

2005-08-24 Thread Markus Döbele
It generates Assembler code.
When you use the -c parameter you can have a look at the generated code.
You always need fasm to compile your program.


Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 11:30 schrieb Frank Schafer:
 further questions / info.

 Seems PureBasic is a direct dependency for all programs compiled with
 it. They will probably use the shared library which comes with
 PureBasic.

 I wonder ...
 There is a static library amongst the PureBasic binary too. Maybe
 PureBasic compiles the way VisualBasic up to version 5 did. Making a
 data block from the source leaving the source itself intact, linking a
 library with a small starting code (the interpreter) letting the
 executable interpreting the data block inside itself.

 ... that would stand for real speed ... interpreting ...


 Further 0,02$
 Frank

 On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:25 +0200, Frank Schafer wrote:
  right, and that means we have to study PB's syntax ... what I'm doing
  just now if I have some time.
 
  PB itself is probably written in C. A compiler with less than 140kB IMHO
  isn't written in C++.
 
  BTW: Have a look at ``strings pbcompiler | more''!
  It's VEERY interesting. Seems pbcompiler simply maps BASIC
  instructions to assembler mnemonics.
 
  :-)))
 
  On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 11:09 +0300, Matan Peled wrote:
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   Well, of course. But it wasn't used before, rather PureBasic's one was
   used.
  
   Now we need to use that API (Thats what I meant by Talking to SDL...)
  
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Re: [gentoo-user] /home becoming readonly every night

2005-08-24 Thread cafairle
Whats your line in fstab for /home?

It does sound cron-job like. Installed a cron daemon recently? Check
/etc/cron.daily or crontab -l

Does ownership change? Permissions? 

Cheers,
Chris

Quoting Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 For somewhere between 3 days and a week I have been rising to find
 that /home has become readonly overnight.
 
 Basically I have to shut down X, manually kill all processes
 accessing /home and then run
 
 umount /home
 mount /home
 
 which fixes it until tomorrow morning.
 
 I also tried mount /home -o remount,rw 
 
 but was told that /dev/hdb1 was readonly - but it has the same
 permissions as /dev/hda1.
 
 Any clues as to where to from here? I cannot even seem to isolate what
 time this is happening.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

2005-08-24 Thread Markus Döbele
I would say writing a game with a scripting language is not possible.
Or is there any?  Are our machines today powerful enough for that? 

Java totally sucks! The licence of sun is horrible! And its awfully slow.

So I am running short in options...


Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 14:22 schrieb Matan Peled:
 Markus Döbele wrote:
  The code I think is not the problem. But I think it is still a lot of
  work. By the way I don't like C too much (we had a C Version once and
  only encountered problems all the time :-( Buffer overflows and all this
  nice stuff is a big problem of this language!)
 
  Maybe a C Fan is reading this and likes to do it.
 
  I started as a Assembler Programmer on the Atari ST (68000 Rulez!!!)
  But all this is too much effort. Purebasic has a very syntax and for a
  basic dialect a very good performance.

 Well, the code IS the problem. As you see, Nick Rout has already made an
 ebuild, but the code is a real problem.

 Lets deal with the most obvious problem with not being able to compile your
 sourcecode - Archs different than x86. PureBasic seems to be able to
 compile for Windows, AmigaOS, and Linux/x86. What about Linux/PPC (Linux on
 Apple) users? Theres quite a few of them. They can't run your game without
 an emulator...

 Yes, is pretty low-level, and you have to take care of your own memory...
 But coming from an assembler you should be used to this, right?

 Anyway, I can perfectly understand your aversion from C...

 The best languages to write a cross-platform application with are (I'm
 probably going to get flamed missing some, but anyway) C, C++, Java,
 Python, and Perl.

 Ruling out C (you don't like it), C++ (Too much like C, and we don't need
 OO anyway), Java (Too bloody slow), we are left with the interpreted
 languages, Python and Perl.

 I would suggest Python, as it has a very nice syntax and is quite easy to
 pick up. Its slower than asm/c, but it may be faster than you expect.

 Overall, I suggest using C and SDL, coupled with a good debugger (gdb is
 good, and I hear valgrind is bloody awesome for memory related issues), but
 if you decide you don't want it, Python is good too.

 Binary packages are fine, but generally considered to be evil.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

2005-08-24 Thread Markus Döbele
You should have a look at purebasic. Inline Assembler is possible here 
too! :-)

You are right C is a lot easier than Assembler.
But Purebasic is a lot easier that C too :-)


Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 19:34 schrieb A. Khattri:
 On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Markus [utf-8] Döbele wrote:
  The code I think is not the problem. But I think it is still a lot of
  work. By the way I don't like C too much (we had a C Version once and
  only encountered problems all the time :-( Buffer overflows and all this
  nice stuff is a big problem of this language!)

 You mean it requires understanding pointers and attention to detail?

 Yes it does.

 An assembly programmer should find C easy (well I did anyway).

  I started as a Assembler Programmer on the Atari ST (68000 Rulez!!!)

 I started on the 6502, then 68000 then 8086...

  But all this is too much effort. Purebasic has a very syntax and for a
  basic dialect a very good performance.

 Shame BBC Basic isn't around anymore - it allowed you to mix assembler and
 BASIC (and that basic at the time was one of the few that allowed
 recursion ;-)


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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

2005-08-24 Thread Markus Döbele
Sometimes even programming should be allowed to be a bit of fun :-)
And the users profit of it too, because my programs there never hangs 
themselves up!

In the C Version we could always game as far as somebody found the bug. The 
mightiest monster in the Labyrinth :-))


Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 21:11 schrieb Uwe Thiem:
 On 24 August 2005 18:34, A. Khattri wrote:
  On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Markus [utf-8] Döbele wrote:
   The code I think is not the problem. But I think it is still a lot of
   work. By the way I don't like C too much (we had a C Version once and
   only encountered problems all the time :-( Buffer overflows and all
   this nice stuff is a big problem of this language!)
 
  You mean it requires understanding pointers and attention to detail?
 
  Yes it does.
 
  An assembly programmer should find C easy (well I did anyway).
 
   I started as a Assembler Programmer on the Atari ST (68000 Rulez!!!)
 
  I started on the 6502, then 68000 then 8086...

 Donning my asbestos suit. Cannot resist the flamebait any more. I did
 assembler for 6502, Z80, 8085,... I am talking about real-world, commercial
 software with several MB of assembler source. Like software for driverless
 vehicles buzzing around in real plants among real workers.

 That said, once man made fire by twisting a little twig between hands while
 pressing it to some other wood. I prefer matches or a lighter. Even when in
 the bush, I prefer some fire starters I can buy. Man (actually Woman in
 most cases) once carried water in calabashes on their heads for miles on
 end. I prefer pumps and pipes and taps. Programmers once punched their code
 and their data into punchcards, handed them in to the data centre and hoped
 all would go well. I prefer editors, IDEs, compilers and linkers. ;-)

 Folks, we have got computing power on our desks that equals that of a
 medium sized data centre 10 years ago. Of course, I want the bloody
 computer and its tools to do all the sidetracking little tasks and
 concentrate myself on algorithms and data structures and user interfaces.

 If I could find enough buddies and peers I would do most of my stuff in
 languages like smalltalk that take care of freeing memory, collecting
 garbage and such. Again: That said, I still use C/C++ for most of my stuff.

 In short: Don't scuff someone who tries to avoid the pitfalls of C/C++ by
 using a language that does all those little things for them. Sure, I
 wouldn't use any dialect of basic but that is another issue.

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[gentoo-user] Re: why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Moshe Kaminsky
* Fernando Canizo [EMAIL PROTECTED] [24/08/05 14:07]:
 
 El 24/ago/2005 a las 04:01 -0300, Jonas me decía:
  Second, the whole idea is to do this for non-connected systems. Meaning, a
  solution not involving the Internet... =)
  If you're refering to the fact that the person doesn't have an internet 
  connection when he wants to view this information throught the emerge 
  interface, then you're wrong. When you want to install or you're just 
  searching for a package you're using the emerge interface , when you 
  need more info you have to 1) open your browser 2) type in the url (if 
  you're lucky you know the url or it's in your browsers cache) 3) search 
  for the package on the website , while instead you could just do 
  something like emerge --desc package. Now what's quicker and makes more 
  sence ?
 
 Exactly! That's what i'm refering to. It's not an issues of connection it's an
 issue of lazyness! It's like: -- hey what are you doing this weekend? -- 
 don't
 know, it's cold and raining, i think i'm gonna sit in my throne and check 
 what's
 new on 'app-vim' to improve my vimyness, if find something interesting i'll
 check the package webpage.
 
 For now i'm using 'questo':
 === script 
 #!/bin/bash
 # lun may  2 20:57:24 ART 2005
 # conan - GPLed
 #
 # script to check for apps on rainy sunday morning
 
 BASE_DIR=/usr/portage/
 
 [ $# -ne 1 ]  echo Uso: questo category  exit 0
 
 cd $BASE_DIR$1
 for package in * ; do
   eix ^$paquete\$
   echo Looking for: $1/$paquete. ENTER to continue...
   read
 done
 === end script 
 
 Now i took sugestion from Ciaran to look in metadata.xml, i check a couple by
 hand and see the 'longdesc' field but... with short descriptions! Now maybe i
 just choose two with bad luck, but i got a feeling that gentoo maintainers
 doesn't like to provide longdesc, although there is the posibility.
 
 I was thinking of doing a little script that gives longdesc found in metadata 
 to
 confirm this, but since i don't know nothing about xml, think it gonna take a
 little bit more that if there were already an application to check 
 'metadata.xml'

If you have the XML::Simple perl module (which can be emerged as 
XML-Simple), you can do

perl -MXML::Simple -le 'print XMLin(shift)-{longdescription}' file

where file is the metadata.xml file.

However, it appears that this field is not widely supported. Instead, 
you might use something like

lynx -dump -nolist `esearch -o %h package`

to dump the homepage of the package as text (of course, you still need 
to be online for that)

Moshe

PS. Sorry if this actually seems on-topic :)



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[gentoo-user] Re: migrating to gcc-3.4.4

2005-08-24 Thread Fernando Meira
Oh.. and by the way, how reliable is this prediction?
(...)
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/hdparm-5.9 
[ebuild N ] sys-libs/pwdb-0.62 

Estimated update time: 6 hours, 7 minutes.

All system in 6h? It is something like 120 packages..On 8/24/05, Fernando Meira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've decided to migrate to gcc-3.4.4, so I've emerged it, and switch
the system to use it instead the previous (gcc-3.3.5-20050130).

After that I am supposed to update my system packages, so when I run
# emerge -va system
I get:
[ebuild N ] sys-devel/patch-2.5.9 -build -static 197 kB 
[ebuild N ] app-arch/bzip2-1.0.3-r5 -build -static 0 kB 
[ebuild N ] app-arch/cpio-2.6-r4 +nls 0 kB 
[ebuild N ] sys-apps/texinfo-4.8 -build +nls -static 0 kB 
[ebuild N ] dev-lang/tcl-8.4.9 -threads 0 kB 
[ebuild N ] sys-devel/gnuconfig-20050324 0 kB 
[ebuild N ] sys-libs/readline-5.0-r2 0 kB 
(...)
All with N!! I understand that this is not a update.. will the old packages be overwritten?
It doesn't make sense to think that I'll have duplicate apps... but just for being sure.. :)

In the middle of that list are:
[ebuild N ] sys-devel/gcc-3.4.4
[ebuild N ] sys-devel/gcc-3.3.6

This will compile anew gcc-3.4.4, but this time using the new compiler. That's the point, right?
The old gcc version is still there.. I haven't unmerge it yet, cause I first want to check if all goes fine..

So, should I go ahead..?

Thanks,
Fernando




Re: [gentoo-user] Flash MX 2004

2005-08-24 Thread Ian K
Michael Crute wrote:

 Yes Flash 5 and I believe that even MX works anything before they
 started adding activation. Though I believe this is not without its
 flaws (i.e. I have heard the color chooser crashes the program) in
 either case it definately works. I ran DW MX under Wine for the
 longest time without any major issues.

Cool! Im getting an install isue though, I mount the cdrom, then use
wine setup.exe
But I get an error... Something about ikernel not being located, I believe.
Thanks!
Ian

 -Mike

 On 8/23/05, *Ian K* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Michael Crute wrote:

  Nobody has yet to get any of Studio MX 2004 working under Wine. The
  issue (so I have been told) is the activation system doesn't
 play real
  nice with Wine. Perhaps if you are skilled in the black art of
  cracking you could hack out the activation routines and make it
 work?
  (Note: for personal use only please, I don't advocate software
 piracy)

 Ah. Well no, I dont like illegal software. Um, I have Flash 5,
 does that
 work under Wine?
 Thanks!
 Ian

 
  -Mike
 
  On 8/23/05, *Ian K* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  Hey all,
  Has anyone been able to get the trial working under Wine?
  Also, because I would use it under Wine, would it be easy to
 uninstall
  the trial and re install it after 30 days? :)
  Ian
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Jonathan Nichols

Ciaran McCreesh wrote:

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| You know bud, read some rules, be polite.

There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest
thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but
not by much.



It's too bad that even *gmail*, the paragon of geek email, encourages 
top posting. :(


And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change that.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Flash MX 2004

2005-08-24 Thread Fernando Meira
HI,
I'm not bringing help, sorry.
Just started using wine few days ago and I was wondering of what to do
when an app doesn't work.. I read on the user guide that
WINEDEBUG=+loaddll would tell me what dlls are missing.. though I never
got any reply from that option. Does it go to any log file or something
like that?
Anyway, the main question is, when something doesn't work à lá windoz
(nextnextit's ready) what can we do? How can we work around
that for getting it to work?

For example: although I haven't tried yet, Dreamweaver MX would be one
app that I would be interested on... It is just wine setup.exe?

Thanks.
FernandoOn 8/24/05, Ian K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Michael Crute wrote: Yes Flash 5 and I believe that even MX works anything before they started adding activation. Though I believe this is not without its flaws (i.e. I have heard the color chooser crashes the program) in
 either case it definately works. I ran DW MX under Wine for the longest time without any major issues.Cool! Im getting an install isue though, I mount the cdrom, then usewine setup.exe
But I get an error... Something about ikernel not being located, I believe.Thanks!Ian -Mike On 8/23/05, *Ian K* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Crute wrote:  Nobody has yet to get any of Studio MX 2004 working under Wine. The  issue (so I have been told) is the activation system doesn't
 play real  nice with Wine. Perhaps if you are skilled in the black art of  cracking you could hack out the activation routines and make it work?  (Note: for personal use only please, I don't advocate software
 piracy) Ah. Well no, I dont like illegal software. Um, I have Flash 5, does that work under Wine? Thanks! Ian   -Mike
   On 8/23/05, *Ian K* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:   Hey all,  Has anyone been able to get the trial working under Wine?
  Also, because I would use it under Wine, would it be easy to uninstall  the trial and re install it after 30 days? :)  Ian  
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost Labyrinth

2005-08-24 Thread Markus Döbele
Okay, I just uploaded the new release to sourceforge.
Its version 1.0.2

As always 3 files: binaries as tar.gz, rpm and source as tar.gz.

Don't forget to make the highscores.dat writable for the user.

And yes, I have to rewrite the waffen (weapons) and zauber (spells) readme's 
to english.
Will do this soon!


Am Mittwoch, 24. August 2005 13:41 schrieb Nick Rout:
 Right Markus I have written an ebuild that installs the package and it
 works, although I am not sure if its how a pro would have done it.

 It downloads the compiled version 1.0.0 from sourceforge (can't test it
 on 1.0.1 or 1.0.2 until you put them on sourceforge.) Once you have done
 that, and I have tested it, I'll make it available for others to test.

 Basically it downloads the compiled tarball and installs the executable
 (laby) and the support files (sounds.pak, highscores.dat, graphics.pak)
 to /usr/lib/laby/ It puts a script into /usr/games/bin. The script
 simple cd's to /usr/lib/laby and them executes laby. (It seems to need
 to be executed from the same directory the support files are in, makes
 sense really)

 Comments on my chosen file locations would be appreciated. They are easy
 enough to change.

 It also installs the readme.txt to /usr/share/doc/laby-1.0.0 (this is a
 gentoo standard location for documentation). If people think I should it
 can also put readme_waffen.txt and readme_zauber.txt into the same
 place, but as I don't know german i am unsure if they are really
 helpful, or just take up space :-)

 On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 20:49 +1200, Nick Rout wrote:
  Markus, you just keep working on the program and make sure you upload it
  to sourceforge, I'll do the ebuilds :-)
 
  On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:06 +0200, Markus Döbele wrote:
   Okay, but this means to me that it makes no real difference if I upload
   it to 2 destinations all the time.
   I am living in Argentina and my internet connection here is very slow
   :-(
  
   When we have to write a special file (ebuild) anyway so I would suggest
   to rename the funny name the server is giving us.
   We just have to insert a variable which contains the actual version.
  
   Saves me a lot of time.
   And I want to concentrate my efforts on making laby better and not
   other stuff.
  
   There is still a lot to to. And I want to beat the Windows version as
   soon as possible!
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Holly Bostick
Jonathan Nichols schreef:
 
 And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change
 that.

Oh, for Pete's sake, you can change that in your Preferences in 5 seconds.

Edit=Account Preferences= Compostion and Addressing=Check the box
that says If I respond, quote the original text automatically (or
uncheck it to solve the entire issue), and then use the dropdown menu to
change start my response above the quoted text to start my response
below the quoted text. I mean, the only reason it's the default is
because the word above is alphabetically above the word below so the
above option appears first in the list.

While you're in the prefs, you might want to uncheck Compose messages
in HTML format (on the same dialog) as well.

Defaults are just that; default selections that the user can change if
desired. They're not set in stone ('default' in this context implies
that other choices exist and are available, as opposed to hard-coding,
which can't be changed by the user, so are not 'default' settings but
'fixed' settings).

Sorry to go OT again, but I just couldn't let that pass.

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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Anthony E. Caudel
Jonathan Nichols wrote:

 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:

 On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 | You know bud, read some rules, be polite.

 There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest
 thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but
 not by much.


 It's too bad that even *gmail*, the paragon of geek email, encourages
 top posting. :(

 And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change
 that.

As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form.  I'm
using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the
top.  With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post.

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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Wednesday 24 August 2005 23:14, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:

 As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form.  I'm
 using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the
 top.  With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post.


because, if you quote, then there is context. If you bottom-quote, I have to 
scroll down, read the quoted part, scroll up to read your message. Than, 
scroll down again, if something is hidden below your quoted block.

You see how moronic that is?

If you see a written question, do you write your aswer above?


plus: the majority considers this as bad, that should be enough to quit it 
without making a fuss. Or you annoy the majority of potential helpfull users, 
even before they read your complete message.
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RE: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Dave Nebinger
 As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form.  I'm
 using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the
 top.  With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post.

Because we don't read from bottom up, we read from top down.  For example,
this comment by itself makes no sense (are we talking about how we read,
etc.).  The context of the previous post is needed to understand the context
of the reply.

Top posting means that you, as a reader, will need to scroll back and forth
in order to understand what the context of the original post and the reply
are.

And things get even worse if you top post a reply that deals with part (but
not all) of the original post; contextually it is sometimes difficult to
determine which part of the original post the reply is intended for.  This
is why many of us will embed replies within the originally quoted text to
ensure that the context of both the original post and the response are
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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
A. Top posting!

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:14:08 -0500 Anthony E. Caudel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form.  I'm
| using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the
| top.  With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post.

Q. What is the most annoying thing you can do on mailing lists?

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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Jerry McBride
On Wednesday 24 August 2005 09:14 pm, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:
 Jonathan Nichols wrote:
  Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
  On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  | You know bud, read some rules, be polite.
 
  There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest
  thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but
  not by much.
 
  It's too bad that even *gmail*, the paragon of geek email, encourages
  top posting. :(
 
  And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change
  that.

 As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form.  I'm
 using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the
 top.  With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post.


I with you, brother...


For me, top posting keeps me from having to wade through the entire message to 
get to the new response of the OP. 

I think most linux nerds (me included) distain top posting because it's the 
default setting of some email app that runs on the windows OS


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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread David Morgan
On 21:45 Wed 24 Aug , Jerry McBride wrote:
 For me, top posting keeps me from having to wade through the entire message 
 to 
Well that wouldn't be a problem if people only quoted the bits of the
email that were relevant to their reply. Apparently trimming the other
bits is beyond most people though *shrug*

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Re: [gentoo-user] Downloading packages from a txt file

2005-08-24 Thread Nick Rout
On Wed, August 24, 2005 11:14 pm, Fernando Canizo said:
 El 24/ago/2005 a las 02:36 -0300, Nick me decía:
 Seriously this time:

 How about changing your strategy to this:

 Get a list of the packages you want to update from the target machine.
 something like:

 emerge -uDp world|grep ebuild|awk '{print($4)}'packlist

 take packlist to the connected machine and type:

 for package in `cat packlist` ; do DISTDIR=/where/ever/i/want emerge
 --nodeps -f =$package; done

 The files will then be in /where/ever/i/want and you can put them on a
 cd or whatever method you are using and take them away.

 --nodeps will make sure that your connected host doesn't substitute its
 own idea of what the deps are (perhaps based on different USE flags)

 Could work, but i think he says he has debian in connected machine.

yes thats a bit of a barrier, although having debian doesn't stop him
installing portage AFAIK. A long time ago in a galaxy far away there was a
howto on installing portage on other distros.


 (hasn't?)

 Anyway i would be great if 'emerge' has clean option like
 '--print-uris' from apt-get so one could just use 'wget' or whatever
 they find on connected machine.

you mean like:

emerge -fp target 21|grep -v Calculating|grep -v '...done!'|sed -e 's/\
/\n/g'

The sed part transforms from a list all on one line with spaces separating
to a list one per line, ie:

url1 url2 url3

to

url1
url2
url3

Trouble is this gives a list with many alternatives for each url
(depending on the number of mirrors shown in the ebuild.

You then need a script to download each url ONLY if one of the earlier
url's for the same file hasn't worked.

Other idea could be to have a script
 that downloads the gentoo-way using what emerge print now, checking
 mirrors, etc. Like a tiny version of emerge.

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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Jonathan Nichols

Holly Bostick wrote:

Jonathan Nichols schreef:


And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change
that.



Oh, for Pete's sake, you can change that in your Preferences in 5 seconds.



Uuuh Holly, I'm quite aware of that. It's one of the very first things 
that I change.


*Other users* are obviously *not* aware of it, and unfortunately, it's 
the default. Since many many many end users leave applications at their 
default settings, they top post. :P



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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Jonathan Nichols


For me, top posting keeps me from having to wade through the entire message to 
get to the new response of the OP. 

I think most linux nerds (me included) distain top posting because it's the 
default setting of some email app that runs on the windows OS




It's also the default for Gmail and Thunderbird, as I mentioned before. 
Fortunately, Thunderbird lets you change it. Holly posted a nice little 
how-to as well.. ;)


The biggest problem that I run into is more often than not, the top 
posting types leave the *entire email conversation* below their reply. 
They don't trim it. They end up causing *more* scrolling to get to the 
issue at hand. That's bad.


I remember the days of netiquette. I guess I'm a grizzled old Usenet 
hippie. :|

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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Anthony E. Caudel
Jerry McBride wrote:
 On Wednesday 24 August 2005 09:14 pm, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:
 
Jonathan Nichols wrote:

Ciaran McCreesh wrote:

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:57:09 -0300 Daniel da Veiga

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| You know bud, read some rules, be polite.

There are many who consider top posting to be just about the rudest
thing you could possibly do on a mailing list. HTML email is worse, but
not by much.

It's too bad that even *gmail*, the paragon of geek email, encourages
top posting. :(

And it's also the default setting in Thunderbird. I wish they'd change
that.

As a matter of curiosity, why is top posting considered bad form.  I'm
using Thunderbird and when it views the mail, by default it is at the
top.  With bottom posting, I have to scroll down to view the post.

 
 
 I with you, brother...
 
 
 For me, top posting keeps me from having to wade through the entire message 
 to 
 get to the new response of the OP. 
 
 I think most linux nerds (me included) distain top posting because it's the 
 default setting of some email app that runs on the windows OS
 
 
 Jerry
 
 
 
 
 
Yes.  However, I understand Hemmann and Nebinger's points.  Makes sense
in a way.  But I don't usually start reading at the top.  I usually will
have already read previous comments and I just want to get to the latest.

Too bad Thunderbird doesn't have a setting Start_Read_At_Bottom :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: migrating to gcc-3.4.4

2005-08-24 Thread Willie Wong
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 08:30:11PM +, Fernando Meira wrote:
 Oh.. and by the way, how reliable is this prediction?
 (...)
 [ebuild N ] sys-apps/hdparm-5.9 
 [ebuild N ] sys-libs/pwdb-0.62 
 
 Estimated update time: 6 hours, 7 minutes.
 
 All system in 6h? It is something like 120 packages..
 

What's the speed of your box? I recently did an emerge --emptytree
world on my 1.6G Pentium M laptop. It had 446 packages done in less
than 29 hours (I say less than because if would run long stretches at
a time and stop after failed downloads here and there because of
wireless problems... for all I know it could have been sitting there
waiting for me to fix my wireless router for a couple of hours or
more). 

So if you have a comparably fast system, with not too many useflags
enabled, I'd say that 120 packages in 6 hours is quite possible. 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Downloading packages from a txt file

2005-08-24 Thread Willie Wong
On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 09:55:32AM +1200, Nick Rout wrote:
 On Wed, August 24, 2005 11:14 pm, Fernando Canizo said:
 The sed part transforms from a list all on one line with spaces separating
 to a list one per line, ie:
 
 url1 url2 url3
 
 to
 
 url1
 url2
 url3
 
 Trouble is this gives a list with many alternatives for each url
 (depending on the number of mirrors shown in the ebuild.
 
 You then need a script to download each url ONLY if one of the earlier
 url's for the same file hasn't worked.
 

I don't think you do... I think wget -c will only download if the
size doesn't match. And if you trust your internet connection enough,
you can use wget -nc, which only downloads if a file of the same
name does not exist (but doesn't check for length/size). 

Though, seeing that the internet connection is on a separate machine,
maybe the OP would like to have integrity checking while downloading
(so he won't run into D'oh, the MD5 sum doesn't match problem). And
with my poor skillz in programming, I'd rather install portage on
Debian then to hack a replacement to download and check the md5 for
the packages. 

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Re: [gentoo-user] why gentoo doesn't have long description?

2005-08-24 Thread Matt Nordhoff

On 08/24/05 19:01, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:

Yes.  However, I understand Hemmann and Nebinger's points.  Makes sense
in a way.  But I don't usually start reading at the top.  I usually will
have already read previous comments and I just want to get to the latest.

Too bad Thunderbird doesn't have a setting Start_Read_At_Bottom :-)

Tony


You could use the QuoteCollapse extension:

URL:http://quotecollapse.mozdev.org/

I think there also may be an extension that does just that, but I can't 
say I have a link to one.


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Re: [gentoo-user] /home becoming readonly every night

2005-08-24 Thread Matt Nordhoff

On 08/24/05 15:59, Nick Rout wrote:

For somewhere between 3 days and a week I have been rising to find
that /home has become readonly overnight.

Basically I have to shut down X, manually kill all processes
accessing /home and then run

umount /home
mount /home

which fixes it until tomorrow morning.

I also tried mount /home -o remount,rw 


but was told that /dev/hdb1 was readonly - but it has the same
permissions as /dev/hda1.

Any clues as to where to from here? I cannot even seem to isolate what
time this is happening.


Filesystem errors, maybe? That's why I was always getting read-only 
partitions... Run fsck on it.


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Re: [gentoo-user] ebuild for Lost Labyrinth

2005-08-24 Thread Nick Rout
I know I should upload this to bugs.gentoo.org, but as we are in the
middle of a thread i thought I'd load it here for anyone interested to
try (and to criticise)

Please be gentle with me, this is my first ebuild.

The ebuild is attached, as is the small startup script. The way it works
and installs is detailed below (although the version is now 1.0.2 rather
than 1.0.0)

You need to have portage overlay enabled, and assuming your overlay is
in /usr/local/portage, you need to make the following directories:

/usr/local/portage/games-roguelike/laby/
and 
/usr/local/portage/games-roguelike/laby/files

the ebuild file goes in the former, the file laby goes in the latter.

You will need to:

ebuild /usr/local/portage/games-roguelike/laby/laby-1.0.2.ebuild digest

and then add laby your list of unstable builds:

echo games-roguelike/laby  ~x86  /etc/portage/package.keywords

It _should_ then emerge fine.

As long as you are in the games group you should be able to just run 

laby

TODO:

1. tidy up ownership and permissions of installed files.
2. make the wrapper script stop artsd and restart it IF it was running
in the first place. (alternatively run the program with artsdsp if arts
is running? - thats probably a better option!)




On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:42:16 +0200
Markus Döbele wrote:

 Okay, I just uploaded the new release to sourceforge.
 Its version 1.0.2
 
  Right Markus I have written an ebuild that installs the package and it
  works, although I am not sure if its how a pro would have done it.
 
  It downloads the compiled version 1.0.0 from sourceforge (can't test it
  on 1.0.1 or 1.0.2 until you put them on sourceforge.) Once you have done
  that, and I have tested it, I'll make it available for others to test.
 
  Basically it downloads the compiled tarball and installs the executable
  (laby) and the support files (sounds.pak, highscores.dat, graphics.pak)
  to /usr/lib/laby/ It puts a script into /usr/games/bin. The script
  simple cd's to /usr/lib/laby and them executes laby. (It seems to need
  to be executed from the same directory the support files are in, makes
  sense really)
 
  Comments on my chosen file locations would be appreciated. They are easy
  enough to change.
 
  It also installs the readme.txt to /usr/share/doc/laby-1.0.0 (this is a
  gentoo standard location for documentation). If people think I should it
  can also put readme_waffen.txt and readme_zauber.txt into the same
  place, but as I don't know german i am unsure if they are really
  helpful, or just take up space :-)
 

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Re: [gentoo-user] /home becoming readonly every night

2005-08-24 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Thursday 25 August 2005 09:13, Matt Nordhoff wrote:
 On 08/24/05 15:59, Nick Rout wrote:
  For somewhere between 3 days and a week I have been rising to find
  that /home has become readonly overnight.

 Filesystem errors, maybe? That's why I was always getting read-only
 partitions... Run fsck on it.

Also check dmesg. It should say exactly why the filesystem was made 
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Re: [gentoo-user] CD burning with full filenames

2005-08-24 Thread Grant
  Hello, does anyone know how to make an ISO and then burn it to a CD
  with the full filenames preserved?  I tried specifying Joliet and Rock
  Ridge but the output from mkisofs looks like the filenames are being
  altered.
 
 AFAICR none of the available CD filesystems support the full range of
 Unix filenames.
 
 If this is for backup purposes you might be better off just making a tar
 file and burning that directly to CD - tar is designed for archiving,
 after all. The resulting CD will be readable by e.g. tar
 tvf /dev/cdrom.

I ended up tar'ing it and it works fine.  Thanks for everyone's help.

- Grant

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Re: [gentoo-user] ati -- dreaded xf86-ENOMEM error

2005-08-24 Thread Ryan Sims
On 8/23/05, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Maxim,
An AGP support issue probably. Which kernel are you using?

I found that running with a 2.6.12 kernel gave me this error;
downgrading to 2.6.11 fixed it.  here's a relevant forum topic:

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-353295-highlight-xf86enomem.html

Seems that the problem might be resolved with latest ati-drivers*  and
latest gentoo-sources, YMMV, I haven't had the chance to play with it
much lately.

*I notice that ati-drivers-8.14.13-r2 has
fglrx-8.14.13-alt-2.6.12-agp.patch added, might be apropos:
http://gentoo-portage.com/media-video/ati-drivers/ChangeLog

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[gentoo-user] Root login, KDE-3.4

2005-08-24 Thread Ted Ozolins
Just completed an emerge -uvD world on all my systems here. The update
went extremely smooth, many thanks to the Gentoo developers and package
maintainer.  Now root is not permitted to login to KDE, which is just
fine by me except for login into my lab-rat. My test machine is placed
on the net only as a user and when I need to upgrade, the rest of the
time it is not on the net.  I use the lab-rat to test new
hardware/software and its convenient to be logged in as root. How do I
enable root login in kdm?

TIA

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